WEBVTT - Bucky Brooks Blankets the NFL! 0:00:00.680 --> 0:00:05.360 Ka boom. If you thought four hours a day, minutes 0:00:05.400 --> 0:00:08.560 a week was enough, I think again. He's the last 0:00:08.680 --> 0:00:12.280 remnants of the old Republic, a sole fashion of fairness. 0:00:12.400 --> 0:00:15.360 He treats crackheads in the ghetto cutter the same as 0:00:15.400 --> 0:00:19.439 the rich pill poppers in the penthouse the clearing House 0:00:19.480 --> 0:00:23.200 of Hot takes break free for something special. The Fifth 0:00:23.200 --> 0:00:32.960 Hour with Ben Maller starts right now in the air everywhere. 0:00:33.000 --> 0:00:38.800 We are back at it. Another weekend is underway. Happy happy, Happy, 0:00:38.960 --> 0:00:43.320 Happy Friday. I know you're excited at another edition of 0:00:43.360 --> 0:00:48.000 The Fifth Hour with Ben Mallard, and we will not 0:00:48.440 --> 0:00:51.520 shut We're not going to shut up. It's it's more 0:00:51.560 --> 0:00:56.240 audio content all weekend long, along with Danny g Radio. 0:00:56.320 --> 0:00:59.120 But on this particular edition from the Fifth Hour podcast, 0:00:59.400 --> 0:01:03.640 it is us me. I know you're disappointed, but Danny 0:01:03.680 --> 0:01:06.800 will be with us throughout the weekend. So we'll have 0:01:06.920 --> 0:01:11.120 Danny in on Saturday and Sunday. But on the Friday podcast, 0:01:11.200 --> 0:01:14.240 we like to talk to somebody who we know. I mean, 0:01:14.280 --> 0:01:16.160 we do this on the radio on the overnight. We 0:01:16.240 --> 0:01:19.200 do this five nights a week, and this of course 0:01:19.240 --> 0:01:21.560 podcast filling in the other part of the week. So 0:01:21.560 --> 0:01:25.760 it's eight days a week because four hours a night 0:01:25.880 --> 0:01:30.480 are not enough on the overnight. And I'm really jones 0:01:30.520 --> 0:01:34.200 into talk some football today, and so I thought, who 0:01:34.360 --> 0:01:38.080 better to talk to than a a man who is 0:01:38.120 --> 0:01:43.880 a colleague at Fox Sports Radio, is a big star 0:01:44.959 --> 0:01:48.680 on TV at the NFL Network and also on NFL 0:01:48.800 --> 0:01:53.840 dot Com. So Bucky Brooks is going to spend some 0:01:53.920 --> 0:01:56.080 time with us right now. He played in the NFL. Now, 0:01:56.480 --> 0:01:59.040 you know, people say, well, former NFL player Bucky Brooks, 0:01:59.080 --> 0:02:01.880 they don't often talk about, like where did he play? 0:02:01.960 --> 0:02:06.080 And and Bucky got to bounce all over the NFL. 0:02:06.080 --> 0:02:09.200 He must have like the greatest man cave uh in 0:02:09.240 --> 0:02:12.760 the world. He played for the Green Bay Packers, Jacksonville, 0:02:13.440 --> 0:02:18.480 Kansas City, Buffalo, played with the great Marv Levy, kind 0:02:18.480 --> 0:02:22.480 of the tail end of the Buffalo Bills and they're 0:02:23.000 --> 0:02:26.720 they're running. Also played for the Oakland Raiders, So he 0:02:27.200 --> 0:02:29.560 bounced around the NFL. Was a defensive back, kind of 0:02:29.560 --> 0:02:33.880 a kick return guy uh in the NFL. And he's 0:02:33.880 --> 0:02:37.760 been on the NFL Network since oh nine. He's been 0:02:37.840 --> 0:02:41.440 contributing to Fox Sports Radio for many years. So let's 0:02:41.480 --> 0:02:45.200 welcome in now, Bucky Brooks and and Bucky before we 0:02:45.240 --> 0:02:49.040 get into the meat and potatoes of the football. You know, 0:02:49.280 --> 0:02:53.440 you're one of the few people, Bucky, that has seen 0:02:53.560 --> 0:02:57.240 me play golf. A couple of years ago before COVID 0:02:57.400 --> 0:03:01.079 in ten, we had a big company golf of somehow 0:03:01.240 --> 0:03:07.000 I got invited to it, and uh, it was horrific. 0:03:08.200 --> 0:03:11.200 I think people are still washing their eyes out, Bucky, 0:03:11.280 --> 0:03:15.600 it was that bad. Do you recall that round of golf, 0:03:15.680 --> 0:03:18.720 that faithful round of golf? What do you remember about that, 0:03:19.720 --> 0:03:25.320 Lord Ben? I can't. It is one of the favorite 0:03:25.360 --> 0:03:31.560 stories that I tell. The round the golf that you, 0:03:31.600 --> 0:03:36.880 myself and Micael replayed at a Fox event. It was epic. Uh, 0:03:37.040 --> 0:03:40.080 it was fun. It was forever memorable. That is the 0:03:40.120 --> 0:03:43.120 way that I described the experience. Yeah, I think I 0:03:43.120 --> 0:03:46.440 would be like a cross between Tiger Woods and Helen 0:03:46.560 --> 0:03:50.200 Keller on the on the on the golf course. But 0:03:50.280 --> 0:03:53.240 I I actually and you're you know, you listen, you 0:03:53.360 --> 0:03:55.760 you're you're pretty good, you know, and I'm I'm you know, 0:03:55.760 --> 0:03:59.080 I'm I sucked. But I I actually managed to hit 0:03:59.480 --> 0:04:03.080 a plastic was it a chair or a table? I 0:04:03.160 --> 0:04:07.680 forget I hit a inanimate object t at the t 0:04:08.520 --> 0:04:11.000 on one It was insane. How bad I was that day? 0:04:11.000 --> 0:04:14.680 It wasn't crazy, man, it was funny. But you know what, 0:04:14.800 --> 0:04:17.880 that's what so beautiful about this sport of golf. Anybody 0:04:17.880 --> 0:04:20.800 and everybody can participate, and as long as we're not 0:04:20.880 --> 0:04:22.480 too serious about it, we all can have a good time. 0:04:22.480 --> 0:04:24.760 And it was a good time being Yeah, it was. 0:04:25.200 --> 0:04:27.800 It was a beautiful course. It was in where was that, Dina, 0:04:28.080 --> 0:04:30.120 Dina point Newport, So I don't know. I was down 0:04:30.120 --> 0:04:34.040 in Orange County somewhere. But it was awesome, wonderful, wonderful, wonderful. 0:04:34.080 --> 0:04:36.560 But how about you, Bucky, I mean, you're a big 0:04:36.600 --> 0:04:39.560 star over there at the NFL Network and the NFL 0:04:39.680 --> 0:04:42.120 dot Com and you're blowing up here. And how many 0:04:42.200 --> 0:04:45.520 years have you been doing that now? Oh my gosh, 0:04:45.600 --> 0:04:51.240 I think I started over the NFL Network two thousand nine. Yes, 0:04:51.360 --> 0:04:54.240 I've been around. I've been around a few iterations, a 0:04:54.240 --> 0:04:57.360 few changes. He was trying to make my way through. 0:04:57.400 --> 0:04:58.599 But now it's been a lot of fun. It's been 0:04:58.640 --> 0:05:00.400 a lot of fun, kind of growing in doing more 0:05:00.400 --> 0:05:03.480 stuff as opportunity to kind of come our way. Yeah, 0:05:03.480 --> 0:05:05.280 And it's also one of those things, right, you've been 0:05:05.279 --> 0:05:07.320 there so long you kind of know the ebb and 0:05:07.400 --> 0:05:10.960 flow of you know, like we're getting into the playoffs. 0:05:10.960 --> 0:05:14.320 Now it's coaching season, and then after that it's going 0:05:14.360 --> 0:05:18.039 to be the draft, which is massively big. So like 0:05:18.040 --> 0:05:19.960 there's certain events, right, you kind of have it all planned. 0:05:20.040 --> 0:05:21.359 You've been doing it so long you kind of know 0:05:21.400 --> 0:05:23.760 what you you know what what month it is, what 0:05:23.800 --> 0:05:27.640 you've got to be doing, right. Yeah, So my arrival 0:05:27.680 --> 0:05:31.479 at the NFL also coincided with the league kind of 0:05:31.480 --> 0:05:34.240 making a shift where they wanted to make um where 0:05:34.279 --> 0:05:36.680 they wanted to make football three sixty five. And so 0:05:36.800 --> 0:05:39.120 I don't think it's a coincidence that every month of 0:05:39.160 --> 0:05:42.240 account of year there's something related to football. And what 0:05:42.360 --> 0:05:45.680 has done It has increased the interest, put more eyeballs 0:05:45.680 --> 0:05:47.760 on the sport. And I've been one of the biggest 0:05:47.800 --> 0:05:51.200 beneficiaries because we're more eyeballs that needs we have to 0:05:51.240 --> 0:05:53.479 do more reporting and talking and all that other stuff. 0:05:53.480 --> 0:05:55.839 So it's been great for business. Yeah, well, you know, 0:05:55.880 --> 0:05:57.839 you are the expert, Bucky, So I did want to 0:05:57.839 --> 0:06:00.480 get into it. I'm fascinated, you know, doing talk radio 0:06:00.520 --> 0:06:05.000 all these years. The coaching carousel in the NFL. It 0:06:05.040 --> 0:06:09.200 seems like every year, we get like anywhere from I 0:06:09.240 --> 0:06:13.880 don't know, five to ten coaches. I think ten might 0:06:13.880 --> 0:06:16.440 be too much. But we're eight right now as we're 0:06:16.440 --> 0:06:23.840 talking now of NFL teams have decided to change coaches 0:06:23.960 --> 0:06:27.279 and we're not I mean, we are we even done? Bucky? 0:06:27.400 --> 0:06:30.720 Do you think we'll see some more? David Culley was 0:06:30.839 --> 0:06:34.760 the latest coach apparently out with the Texans, so he's 0:06:34.839 --> 0:06:38.679 number eight. Do you think anyone else is in danger? 0:06:39.040 --> 0:06:41.839 As far as the teams that are in the playoffs 0:06:41.920 --> 0:06:44.039 per se, I think any of these other coaches might 0:06:44.040 --> 0:06:48.560 lose their job depending on what happens this weekend. Now 0:06:48.680 --> 0:06:51.640 you know what's crazy. I think all the teams the 0:06:52.080 --> 0:06:54.880 season should be safe. You want to keep an eye 0:06:54.880 --> 0:06:58.200 on it. Obviously, the Los Vegas Raiders has done a 0:06:58.200 --> 0:07:00.839 great job at the ENIM coach. Still doesn't mean that 0:07:00.920 --> 0:07:04.560 he's assured of carrying on a dead head coach, so 0:07:04.600 --> 0:07:07.000 we have to see how that plays out. And then 0:07:07.000 --> 0:07:09.000 the last one to keep an eye on is the 0:07:09.080 --> 0:07:12.200 conversations that were taking place in Seattle with Pe Carol 0:07:12.240 --> 0:07:15.120 and John Snyder. I would expect him to stay on board, 0:07:15.560 --> 0:07:18.080 but man, now you never know. And I think what 0:07:18.120 --> 0:07:22.360 we're seeing is in this league and ultra competitive league 0:07:22.360 --> 0:07:24.800 because the league has gone out of its way to 0:07:24.840 --> 0:07:29.920 create Perry. You're seeing about of the league turn over 0:07:30.040 --> 0:07:33.600 annually and so new coaches come in and if you're 0:07:33.640 --> 0:07:37.800 not able to win with whatever rosster you inherit, it's 0:07:37.800 --> 0:07:39.720 gonna be an issue. And so you just have to 0:07:39.760 --> 0:07:42.840 be able to win games with what you have and 0:07:42.920 --> 0:07:44.760 to you can do to rebuilding that you have to 0:07:44.800 --> 0:07:47.720 do um In the meantime, it's it's crazy time in 0:07:47.720 --> 0:07:49.960 the league for sure. Yeah. Well, it's almost like that 0:07:49.960 --> 0:07:54.640 that the r word rebuild that's been eliminated bucky from 0:07:54.640 --> 0:07:57.160 the end of it. And you can't like David Culley 0:07:57.200 --> 0:07:59.720 of all people, right, that's a great examp. I mean, 0:07:59.760 --> 0:08:01.560 I don't I don't know. David Colleess been around the 0:08:01.640 --> 0:08:04.960 NFL a long time and just a veteran assistant coach. 0:08:05.200 --> 0:08:07.760 He gets the job in Houston. They knew they were 0:08:07.800 --> 0:08:10.600 gonna stink, right, Everyone knew they were gonna be bad 0:08:10.640 --> 0:08:13.040 because of what's going on with the quarterback and all that. 0:08:13.680 --> 0:08:15.880 And they won like four games, which I think is 0:08:15.880 --> 0:08:18.760 three more games than I thought they would win uh 0:08:18.880 --> 0:08:22.000 this year. But but he's gone after after one year, 0:08:22.040 --> 0:08:25.080 So you can't. I don't think you can really rebuild bucket. 0:08:25.120 --> 0:08:26.800 I think that's over. I think you, as you said, 0:08:26.840 --> 0:08:31.640 you gotta win and if you're not competitive, you're done, right, 0:08:31.640 --> 0:08:34.000 I mean that's those are the steaks you know going in. 0:08:34.080 --> 0:08:36.160 But but the good news Buckeyes they pay a lot 0:08:36.160 --> 0:08:39.960 of money, right, and these jobs pay a lot of money. Yeah, 0:08:40.000 --> 0:08:42.080 I mean I think we're just beginning to kind of 0:08:42.080 --> 0:08:46.679 get around the number that coaches are being paid. Uh, 0:08:46.760 --> 0:08:48.720 you think about what John Gruden was able to find, 0:08:48.760 --> 0:08:52.840 Tim million dollars, what people reporting Pete call and bi 0:08:52.920 --> 0:08:57.040 ab Belichick getting anywhere from like if your team million annually. Yeah, 0:08:57.040 --> 0:08:59.280 it's a big job. It's a big deal. And so 0:08:59.440 --> 0:09:01.679 what she's trying to do is you're just trying to 0:09:01.679 --> 0:09:05.040 see how can you win games with what you inherit 0:09:05.360 --> 0:09:07.640 and too, you're able to put the pieces in play 0:09:07.720 --> 0:09:10.280 to play the style of play that you want to 0:09:10.280 --> 0:09:12.880 play long term. Well and also, Bucky like this is 0:09:12.880 --> 0:09:15.600 always my argument. You know people sometimes I get upset 0:09:15.640 --> 0:09:17.480 because then I'm I'm on late at night and I'll 0:09:17.559 --> 0:09:21.679 rant and rave. And I've never had an issue ranting 0:09:21.720 --> 0:09:25.319 about a head coach losing their job, because to me, 0:09:25.679 --> 0:09:28.040 it's not like the real world. You know, in the 0:09:28.080 --> 0:09:30.120 real world, when someone losing their job, they gotta go 0:09:30.120 --> 0:09:32.120 get unemployment and all that stuff to big pain in 0:09:32.120 --> 0:09:34.800 the ass. But like Joe Judge is a great example. 0:09:35.120 --> 0:09:38.320 Joe Judge failed with the Giants. It did not go well. 0:09:38.760 --> 0:09:41.160 They were not competitive and they were you know, they 0:09:41.240 --> 0:09:44.480 just were just a blah team. And I don't feel 0:09:44.480 --> 0:09:46.800 bad for Joe Judge because he signed a five year 0:09:46.880 --> 0:09:50.720 contract and good for him. He's got three years and 0:09:50.760 --> 0:09:54.079 I think fifteen million dollars or something like that coming 0:09:54.080 --> 0:09:56.880 his way, which is great. So to me, that's not 0:09:57.040 --> 0:10:01.360 like there's no comparison to the real world. So you know, 0:10:01.520 --> 0:10:03.920 these guys, if they want to coach again, I guess 0:10:03.920 --> 0:10:06.160 they can, or they can just kind of hang out 0:10:07.040 --> 0:10:10.560 and collect the paycheck. So it's it's not it's not 0:10:10.640 --> 0:10:13.000 something to be angry about. I mean, that's just part 0:10:13.080 --> 0:10:17.320 as as we've talked about as part of the gig, right, Yeah, 0:10:17.440 --> 0:10:19.360 it's part of the game for the upper guys, right, 0:10:19.400 --> 0:10:22.400 So for the hit the head coaches, their money is guaranteed, 0:10:22.480 --> 0:10:25.600 so I think it report Tims reported that maybe Joe 0:10:25.679 --> 0:10:28.880 Judge had a bunch of pieza and beer sit over 0:10:28.920 --> 0:10:31.480 to his house after you got this myth because he 0:10:31.520 --> 0:10:34.600 does have your team knows that he's collecting over the 0:10:34.640 --> 0:10:37.160 next three years. But for all of his assistance and 0:10:37.160 --> 0:10:39.920 the people that have worked up under them, they don't 0:10:39.960 --> 0:10:42.480 get those same guarantees in terms of the amount of 0:10:42.480 --> 0:10:46.160 money and that stuff. So for the hand coteam, yeah, 0:10:46.160 --> 0:10:48.360 it's great because they end up getting financial security. But 0:10:48.400 --> 0:10:51.480 for the other guys, it might mean another move, it 0:10:51.559 --> 0:10:54.160 may mean uprooting your family and doing some other stuff. 0:10:54.559 --> 0:10:57.000 But that is also the business that teach of those 0:10:57.040 --> 0:11:00.839 guys that choke. All right, So Bucky, we've got as 0:11:00.960 --> 0:11:03.360 as we speak right now as we're recording this podcast, 0:11:03.360 --> 0:11:07.920 there are eight coaching jobs open the NFL. If you, Bucky, 0:11:08.240 --> 0:11:11.560 were a candidate for these eight jobs, which one would 0:11:11.600 --> 0:11:14.000 you want? Bucky? Which one would you say? That's the 0:11:14.040 --> 0:11:17.120 one I want. That's the one that is set up 0:11:17.600 --> 0:11:20.600 to win and and get in the playoffs next year, 0:11:20.720 --> 0:11:24.320 That's the one I want to have. I will take 0:11:24.360 --> 0:11:26.240 the Minnesota Vikings job as the one where you can 0:11:26.240 --> 0:11:29.600 win right away. Um. And the reason why is because 0:11:29.600 --> 0:11:32.199 when you look at that the vision the Bears are down, 0:11:32.800 --> 0:11:35.360 the Lions are down, the Green Bay Packers. At the 0:11:35.400 --> 0:11:38.280 top of Aaron Rodgers thirty years thol, so how much 0:11:38.360 --> 0:11:41.120 longer will he continue to play? You? Inherit the roster 0:11:41.240 --> 0:11:43.280 that has a really good receivering Justin Jefferson, you have 0:11:43.320 --> 0:11:46.040 Adam feeling, you have a quarterback. And I'm not necessarily 0:11:46.040 --> 0:11:48.800 fired up about Kirk Cousin, but I think you probably 0:11:48.840 --> 0:11:50.600 can win enough your first year when you have to 0:11:50.640 --> 0:11:53.920 take him on to kind of jump side the program, 0:11:54.000 --> 0:11:56.800 and then defensively you have some weapons. And so for me, 0:11:56.960 --> 0:12:00.959 the Minnesota Vikings job is the first choice. The second 0:12:01.040 --> 0:12:03.360 choice will be the Denver Broncos. But the biggest caveat 0:12:03.400 --> 0:12:06.239 with the Broncos, who is going to be your quarterback 0:12:06.640 --> 0:12:09.880 in the the vision that is motivate quarterback like Patch Mahomes, 0:12:10.000 --> 0:12:12.960 Justin Herbert and even Derek carr Well. And then on 0:12:13.040 --> 0:12:16.280 the on the flip side, Bucky Uh. If you know 0:12:16.480 --> 0:12:18.520 Team X called you up, you would say, no, I'm 0:12:18.559 --> 0:12:20.920 staying at the NFL network. I have no interest in 0:12:20.920 --> 0:12:24.400 in coaching your team. Would that be Houston? Would that 0:12:24.440 --> 0:12:26.880 be I don't know. Miami. Seems like people are really 0:12:26.920 --> 0:12:28.560 down on the Dolphins. Because of what they did with 0:12:28.600 --> 0:12:33.760 Brian Flores. With that, what's what's the worst gig that's available? Well, 0:12:33.800 --> 0:12:37.040 I think that the Houston gig is probably the toughest 0:12:37.040 --> 0:12:40.320 one to take on, just because of the instability within 0:12:40.360 --> 0:12:43.360 the organization. You have David Color Ben Fried up for 0:12:43.440 --> 0:12:45.520 one year, So then you wonder if I signed this, 0:12:45.640 --> 0:12:47.480 you know how long am I going to be given 0:12:47.960 --> 0:12:51.079 to rebuild the program too? I don't know what's going 0:12:51.120 --> 0:12:55.199 on with the quarterback. He has the civil uh mitigations 0:12:55.240 --> 0:12:57.319 that he has to work out. He says he doesn't 0:12:57.360 --> 0:12:59.720 want to come back, So who's going to be my quarterback? 0:12:59.760 --> 0:13:02.360 I got Rookie did just finishing Davis's mills, but we're 0:13:02.400 --> 0:13:04.480 dead going to be good enough? And then I look 0:13:04.520 --> 0:13:07.200 at the cat salary cap situation, the lack of draft pick. 0:13:07.679 --> 0:13:11.680 It just makes it a very very hard rebuild. And 0:13:11.720 --> 0:13:13.600 so you just kind of wonder, can I go in 0:13:13.600 --> 0:13:16.640 there and be successful, and can I be successful early 0:13:16.760 --> 0:13:19.440 in to get myself an opportunity to see the end 0:13:19.440 --> 0:13:21.680 of my see it through the end of my contract. Yeah, 0:13:21.840 --> 0:13:25.720 and I I agree, Man, that's a hot mess. That's 0:13:25.720 --> 0:13:30.000 a hot stew that's not good. Uh. And he was now, 0:13:30.440 --> 0:13:33.240 what what is your take, Bucky on on Brian Flores. Like, 0:13:33.360 --> 0:13:36.320 I I kind of get what the Dolphins were doing 0:13:36.360 --> 0:13:38.640 because the owners old he's got a lot of money 0:13:39.000 --> 0:13:41.960 and he's upset that. The to me, that the problem 0:13:41.960 --> 0:13:45.400 that Dolphins had as they've been passed by Buffalo the 0:13:45.520 --> 0:13:48.480 last couple of years and now the Patriots are kind 0:13:48.480 --> 0:13:50.560 of back. You know, they had that one down year. 0:13:51.080 --> 0:13:53.840 I know the Dolphins beat the Patriots a couple of times, 0:13:54.240 --> 0:13:59.880 uh in slash two here in January. But uh, Like, 0:14:00.000 --> 0:14:03.120 the Dolphins are in a weird spot because they're not bad, 0:14:03.320 --> 0:14:05.560 they're just kind of in the middle and they're ahead 0:14:05.600 --> 0:14:08.160 of the Jets, but the Bills have passed them by, 0:14:08.200 --> 0:14:12.400 and the Patriots have passed them by. But the Dolphins 0:14:12.400 --> 0:14:15.559 have been getting killed here for the Brian Flores move. 0:14:15.600 --> 0:14:18.880 But where are you at on that one? Well, I 0:14:18.960 --> 0:14:21.200 think the reason why they've been killed is because the 0:14:21.280 --> 0:14:23.680 dolphs the Dolphins at back and back when he season 0:14:24.240 --> 0:14:26.320 and so you saw a team win eight out of 0:14:26.360 --> 0:14:28.760 their last nine games, and so that the period that 0:14:28.800 --> 0:14:32.280 the momentum we're going in the right direction. The issue 0:14:32.320 --> 0:14:35.240 that you have when it comes to Brian Flores is 0:14:35.920 --> 0:14:42.280 constant turnover, offensive line of coaches, offensive coordinators. You just wondered, Man, 0:14:42.320 --> 0:14:44.680 if a guy that is easy to work with, can 0:14:44.720 --> 0:14:47.840 you have kind of like that collaborative union that most 0:14:48.200 --> 0:14:50.160 kids want to have. And so they decided to move on. 0:14:50.280 --> 0:14:52.320 But I think he's a really good coach. I think 0:14:52.320 --> 0:14:56.000 the results speaks for themselves, particularly on defense. I think 0:14:56.040 --> 0:14:58.080 the one thing that he has to do on the 0:14:58.120 --> 0:15:00.320 next go round is he has to make that the 0:15:00.320 --> 0:15:03.480 people that you lined up with um all the line 0:15:03.480 --> 0:15:05.960 when it comes to people holding people to high levels 0:15:05.960 --> 0:15:09.600 of accountability commitment in those things, because if you don't 0:15:09.640 --> 0:15:12.760 have people that are kind of get the same, it 0:15:12.800 --> 0:15:15.520 just makes it very very difficult for you to do 0:15:15.560 --> 0:15:17.560 your job in an effect the minute. So let me 0:15:17.600 --> 0:15:20.560 let me run a conspiracy theory by Bucky because I 0:15:20.600 --> 0:15:23.200 believe now I've seen these stories of the last week 0:15:23.280 --> 0:15:25.320 or so since Brian you know, it's been a little 0:15:25.360 --> 0:15:27.640 less than weeks as we're talking, since Brian Flores was 0:15:27.680 --> 0:15:31.160 let go, and it reminds me I see this in 0:15:31.240 --> 0:15:35.760 all sports. I see this basketball, football, Uh, baseball, the 0:15:35.800 --> 0:15:38.320 sport where Brian Flores was like, oh, it is an 0:15:38.360 --> 0:15:43.080 unpopular move, and the Dolphins are losing the PR battle 0:15:43.160 --> 0:15:45.120 right there, getting killed by a lot of the media. 0:15:45.520 --> 0:15:49.280 What are you doing? Is it true, Bucky, that somebody 0:15:49.320 --> 0:15:53.240 around the Dolphins has been planting uh, negative stories about 0:15:53.280 --> 0:15:55.960 Brian Flores. I've seen I've seen a few things pop 0:15:56.080 --> 0:15:58.880 up here and and and you mentioned I think you 0:15:58.960 --> 0:16:02.880 reference some of them, the the turnover and the coaching staff. 0:16:03.000 --> 0:16:05.760 The I read his story the other day that you 0:16:05.800 --> 0:16:08.840 know he shouted it to a tongue of Iloa, which 0:16:08.880 --> 0:16:10.720 I think in the old days, Bucky, when you were playing, 0:16:10.720 --> 0:16:13.720 they just called that coaching. Uh. And then you know 0:16:13.720 --> 0:16:16.840 there's some other other negative stories that have been been planned. 0:16:17.120 --> 0:16:19.640 You think, do you think those are kind of PR 0:16:19.800 --> 0:16:22.720 stories trying to get back and when the when the narrative, 0:16:22.720 --> 0:16:26.240 if you will. I mean, look, I think it's a 0:16:26.240 --> 0:16:28.280 little bit of both. I think so there's some truth 0:16:28.440 --> 0:16:31.840 and some of those nuggets that have been reported. Obviously, 0:16:32.040 --> 0:16:33.720 what the Dolphins are trying to do is just trying 0:16:33.760 --> 0:16:36.560 to kind of relived and justify why they made the 0:16:36.600 --> 0:16:39.200 move and why Steven Ross said it was important to 0:16:39.680 --> 0:16:43.040 move off from Brian Floyd's despite the ontil success that 0:16:43.200 --> 0:16:46.400 something had seen. Um, Look, man, I believe that the 0:16:46.440 --> 0:16:49.240 truth probably last somewhere in the middle. I believe he 0:16:49.360 --> 0:16:52.160 probably felt what he was doing was coaching by holding 0:16:52.160 --> 0:16:55.040 guys to a high standard. I feel like you probably 0:16:55.040 --> 0:16:57.720 had some overly sensing of people within the building who 0:16:57.800 --> 0:17:01.880 didn't like being held accountable for performance and standards. And 0:17:01.920 --> 0:17:03.360 so what you have to do is just kind of 0:17:03.400 --> 0:17:06.919 evaluate as you go forward what you want to do 0:17:07.080 --> 0:17:09.640 with the team and what's the best way to kind 0:17:09.640 --> 0:17:12.560 of build a winner down in mind? Is that the 0:17:12.560 --> 0:17:14.840 guy most likely to get another job? If you if 0:17:14.840 --> 0:17:16.760 you know all the guys that have lost jobs over 0:17:16.760 --> 0:17:20.639 the last week, there's eight again, eight coaching jobs. Is 0:17:21.160 --> 0:17:24.480 seems like that everyone seems in agreement that Brian Flores 0:17:24.600 --> 0:17:28.040 is going to get another job. Is that a is 0:17:28.040 --> 0:17:31.480 that a fatal complete here, Bucky, or is there a 0:17:31.560 --> 0:17:34.440 chance Brian Flores ends up I don't know, sitting on 0:17:34.480 --> 0:17:37.359 the sidelines, uh, you know, doing TV with you or 0:17:37.400 --> 0:17:41.240 something at Man. I think it's always the possibility that 0:17:41.240 --> 0:17:43.560 he ends up not landing in one of the music 0:17:43.600 --> 0:17:45.399 but chairs. I think a lot of it has to 0:17:45.440 --> 0:17:48.639 do with who's doing the hiring, that we have a 0:17:48.680 --> 0:17:51.640 connection with those guys. Honestly, his name has been linked 0:17:51.680 --> 0:17:55.200 to the Houston Texas because Nick cass and Jake used 0:17:55.240 --> 0:17:58.440 to be Jack needs to be come from the Patriots 0:17:58.440 --> 0:18:01.080 in the Patriots way, and so there's it previous relationships. 0:18:01.800 --> 0:18:04.240 But just don't know because I think what people have 0:18:04.320 --> 0:18:07.080 to what he has to answer for an interview, what 0:18:07.280 --> 0:18:09.400 went wrong in Miami where they felt like they had 0:18:09.400 --> 0:18:11.959 to move on and then they'll do some back digging 0:18:12.160 --> 0:18:15.600 and kind of see what actually took place. But I 0:18:15.640 --> 0:18:17.920 do believe he's in a good spot can get another job. 0:18:18.280 --> 0:18:21.080 It just depends on who's doing the hiring. Got you 0:18:21.240 --> 0:18:23.760 all right and explain to me this, But you've been 0:18:23.760 --> 0:18:25.560 around the end if you played a long time, you know, 0:18:25.680 --> 0:18:29.919 did on TV for a long time. So it seems 0:18:29.920 --> 0:18:33.639 like the same every year, the same names pop up. 0:18:33.640 --> 0:18:37.359 There's like there's a finite amount of names. I've seen 0:18:38.280 --> 0:18:41.399 maybe seven or eight names that are mentioned for every 0:18:41.440 --> 0:18:43.320 one of these jobs, and maybe there's a few more 0:18:43.400 --> 0:18:46.320 than that. But how does this work? Does do the 0:18:46.440 --> 0:18:50.800 NFL teams all used the same head hunting service? Uh? 0:18:50.920 --> 0:18:54.360 It seems like there's only a finite, as I said, 0:18:54.400 --> 0:18:58.400 amount of coaches every year that are the flavor of 0:18:58.560 --> 0:19:01.719 that offseason. So how does that work? How did they 0:19:01.760 --> 0:19:06.600 come up with the proverbial list of candidates? Uh? The 0:19:06.680 --> 0:19:09.880 popularity contest, To be honest, what you've been Uh, it's 0:19:09.880 --> 0:19:12.119 one of those situations where no one really knows what 0:19:12.240 --> 0:19:15.480 makes up a good head coach. And so you have 0:19:15.760 --> 0:19:19.120 agents who are tired with media members who give names out. 0:19:19.280 --> 0:19:22.000 You have people who are speculating because they see an 0:19:22.160 --> 0:19:25.840 offensive coordinator has success or defensive coordinator success that oh, 0:19:25.920 --> 0:19:29.000 they're ready to be a head coaching. In all honesty, 0:19:29.320 --> 0:19:31.400 being a great coordinator has nothing to do with being 0:19:31.440 --> 0:19:34.199 a su customer coach. The two completely different jobs and scripts. 0:19:34.760 --> 0:19:37.920 And so we get a lot of names that we 0:19:38.080 --> 0:19:40.639 see on TV because we see them with the playsheet 0:19:40.680 --> 0:19:43.320 in the card and it looked like their leaders. But 0:19:43.480 --> 0:19:45.600 we really have no idea. And I think a lot 0:19:45.640 --> 0:19:49.359 of the reasons and um, a lot of those teams 0:19:49.359 --> 0:19:52.000 struggle when it comes to hiring and that they really 0:19:52.040 --> 0:19:54.320 don't know what they want and what they need in 0:19:54.320 --> 0:19:58.199 a head coach. Yeah, it's it's crazy like this, you know. 0:19:58.240 --> 0:20:00.440 And you mentioned the agent thing, and I do think 0:20:00.480 --> 0:20:02.800 that's also a big part of it, Like, because these 0:20:02.800 --> 0:20:05.440 guys are tied in with the insider crowd, and then 0:20:05.440 --> 0:20:09.080 that becomes becomes a dude. Now, I'm not gonna spend 0:20:09.119 --> 0:20:11.200 all my time with you, Bucky, ranting about coaches, but 0:20:11.240 --> 0:20:12.720 I did. I didn't want to run this by you. 0:20:13.080 --> 0:20:16.360 Now this is probably related to the popularity contest, but 0:20:16.680 --> 0:20:21.000 how many more Bill Belichick assistant coaches have to go 0:20:21.560 --> 0:20:25.879 out of the Patriots and do a pratt fall before 0:20:25.960 --> 0:20:28.280 teams kind of shy away. It seems like, you know, 0:20:28.359 --> 0:20:31.440 even this year, I've I've seen Josh McDaniel's name mentioned, 0:20:32.080 --> 0:20:36.480 Mayo the defensive guy, uh and the Bill Belichick coaching tree. 0:20:36.520 --> 0:20:39.720 The guys that have left the Patriots have other than 0:20:39.800 --> 0:20:41.800 I think Bill O'Brien is the only one that has 0:20:41.880 --> 0:20:44.560 a as an overall winning record. I know Brian Flores 0:20:44.640 --> 0:20:48.600 was was doing better, but it's a it's a bad situation, 0:20:49.119 --> 0:20:52.359 you know, And yet teams continue to go back to 0:20:52.440 --> 0:20:56.159 the well. You know why why is that? Why do 0:20:56.240 --> 0:20:58.359 they keep going back? These guys have not done well 0:20:58.359 --> 0:21:02.119 that have left the Patriots. One of the reasons why 0:21:02.160 --> 0:21:04.520 they keep going back, and because over the last twenty years, 0:21:04.880 --> 0:21:08.359 the Patriots have been the most successful franchise and so 0:21:08.560 --> 0:21:12.080 everyone wants a little taste of the organization that won 0:21:12.200 --> 0:21:16.480 six Super Bowl championships. The problem is you don't get 0:21:16.520 --> 0:21:19.440 Bill Belichick when you bring on one of those guys. 0:21:19.760 --> 0:21:22.400 You might get the program in terms of the way 0:21:22.400 --> 0:21:25.280 that it looks, but you don't get the full understanding 0:21:25.320 --> 0:21:28.960