1 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:09,160 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a beauty queen, cheerleader, once 2 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 1: crowned the fairest of the fair, chilling words after her baby, 3 00:00:17,079 --> 00:00:22,320 Speaker 1: her kneeborn is found wrapped in a blanket, then a 4 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:27,480 Speaker 1: trash bag, dead in her closet in the last hours, 5 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:33,200 Speaker 1: she walks free. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. 6 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:35,560 Speaker 1: I want to thank you for being with us. Lincoln 7 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:39,479 Speaker 1: smelling a radiant beauty pageant queen excelling in her final 8 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:43,360 Speaker 1: year of college. But is something dark hiding behind the pageant? 9 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 1: Smile something dark? There's a dead baby in her closet. Now, 10 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 1: if you want to call that dark, that's certainly putting 11 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 1: perfume on the pig. Joining me an all star panel 12 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 1: to make sense of what we are learning. 13 00:00:57,040 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 2: And I am stunned. 14 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:06,640 Speaker 1: If another person, an adult, was found dead, wrapped in 15 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:11,319 Speaker 1: a blanket, body in a trash bag hidden away, the 16 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 1: alleged purp would not be walking free right now with 17 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:17,120 Speaker 1: a bedazzled ankle monitor. 18 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:20,280 Speaker 2: But that is what has just happened. But let's start 19 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 2: at the beginning. Listen to this good. 20 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 3: Riversity joson County Bear. I am leading inside, leading in 21 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:40,200 Speaker 3: his Nancy University of Kentucky and she's twenty years of age. 22 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 3: Her centerium just selling the worse made It EASi list 23 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 3: while also being a student adelete duty one adelete on 24 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 3: the stunty at a University of Kentucky one hundred plus 25 00:01:55,920 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 3: community service hours passed you honored around the Jerffsony County 26 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 3: R's student there and beginning to. 27 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:08,680 Speaker 1: Represent her that is from the Jefferson County Fairest of 28 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 1: the Fair beauty paget that she won. But can we 29 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 1: get to right now and what leads up to the 30 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 1: discovery of a dead infant baby boy in her closet? 31 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:25,679 Speaker 4: Listen Lincoln Snelling is entering her senior year on the 32 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:29,640 Speaker 4: cheer stunt team at the University of Kentucky. Snelling grew 33 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:32,959 Speaker 4: up in the small town of White Pine, Tennessee, where 34 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 4: she was a Jefferson County High School varsity cheerleader and 35 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:41,240 Speaker 4: crowned Jefferson County's Fairest of the Fair. Snelling is a 36 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:44,960 Speaker 4: self proclaimed real life Barbie with an all pink apartment, 37 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 4: Barbie jeep, and fabulous clothes and paget gowns to match. 38 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:54,399 Speaker 4: Snelling has an entire Instagram profile dedicated to selling her 39 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 4: old wardrobe. Snelling reveals that she is dating another student 40 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 4: athlete well an impressive basketball career. Snelling brings her bow 41 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 4: home for Easter and over this summer post professional photos 42 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:07,919 Speaker 4: with him. 43 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:09,920 Speaker 2: Why do I care about the boyfriend. 44 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:12,640 Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out who is the biological father 45 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 1: of this dead infant. And I'm completely intrigued curious about 46 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 1: why so many dead babies are first wrapped in a blanket, 47 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:31,239 Speaker 1: a baby blanket very often, remember top mom Casey Anthony wrapped, 48 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 1: according to the state, baby Kelly in her favorite blanket 49 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 1: before putting her in a trash bag and throwing into 50 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 1: a trashy, litter ridden swamp area about ten houses down 51 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 1: from the Anthony home. Gee, I wonder who did that? 52 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 1: And I see it over and over and over. The 53 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 1: infant is wrapped in a baby blanket and left to 54 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 1: die or killed and put in a trash bag. There's 55 00:03:57,160 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 1: gotten to be some sort of psychopathy to that. But 56 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 1: you know, I'm also very curious. Straight out to doctor 57 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall, joining US high profile psycho analyst, author of deal. 58 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 2: Breaker on Amazon. 59 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 1: You can see her now on Peacock and find her 60 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 1: at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com. Doctor Bethany, I'm also intrigued. 61 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:23,479 Speaker 1: What does it mean, if anything, that you are a 62 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 1: self proclaimed real life Barbie. I'm talking about the Barbie doll. 63 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 5: This woman's life, this young woman's life is wrapped in fantasy, 64 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 5: not reality. The fantasy of having a baby seems a 65 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:40,840 Speaker 5: lot more compelling to her than the reality of a baby. 66 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:44,160 Speaker 5: The fantasy of being Barbie is a lot more compelling 67 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 5: to her than the reality of who she is as 68 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:48,320 Speaker 5: a mother and out in the world. 69 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:50,720 Speaker 1: Okay, doctor Bethany, you got me drinking from the fire 70 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:54,240 Speaker 1: hydrant here. You gave me so much I've got to 71 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 1: parse it. Number one, can we state with Barbie? You 72 00:04:57,839 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 1: said I was writing as fast as I could. Fantasy 73 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:05,840 Speaker 1: of being Barbie to her was being better, was better 74 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 1: than being Lake and Snellings. Okay, now, wait a minute, 75 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:12,039 Speaker 1: what was it mean to be Barbie? It's a plastic 76 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 1: doll with fake breasts. Why do you want to be that? 77 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 5: Because Barbie is beautiful, Barbie is desirable, Barbie is sexually 78 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 5: attractive in the world, and the idea that she would 79 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 5: be that person, it's like she's wrapping herself in an 80 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:32,440 Speaker 5: image an external image rather than really focusing on who 81 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 5: she is. Does she attend to trust? 82 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 2: Does she? 83 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 6: But? 84 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:37,360 Speaker 2: Wait? 85 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 1: Wait? 86 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 2: Wait? 87 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:40,039 Speaker 1: Where? Can I see that video again of her in 88 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 1: the foe? I guess that's no the foe that that 89 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 1: that was? That's very similar to Barbie out that my 90 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 1: sister had. That's right, Okay, I was trying to dissect 91 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 1: the Barbie dolls, and I dissected all, well, this man, 92 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:01,919 Speaker 1: all of my sister's Barbie dolls. 93 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 2: That was a dark day. That said, I remember that outfit. 94 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 1: Barbie had an outfit like that with you know, faux 95 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 1: leverage spots. 96 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 2: Okay, just wanted to point that out. Dr Bethany. 97 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 1: I don't know what your Barbie lore is, but I 98 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 1: distinctly recall an outfit like that with the matching stilettos. 99 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 2: And this is when I was a little girl. 100 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 1: The stilettos were in then as well, at least for Barbie. Now, 101 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, back to who wants to be Barbie? 102 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 5: Who wants to be Barbie as somebody who's more living 103 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 5: in fantasy than reality? Hey, Nancy, that sound you just 104 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 5: played the inside of her apartment was pink. She lived 105 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 5: in a Barbie place. This is a woman who lives 106 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:47,719 Speaker 5: in a fantasy world, not a reality world. Okay, Barbie 107 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 5: is just that it's adult. It's not a real person. 108 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 5: She does not live her life like a real person. 109 00:06:54,200 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 5: She's living's like it's like cosplay of being Barbie. I'm wondering, 110 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 5: would she go to a church, does she have friends, 111 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 5: is she kind to people? Does she like children in 112 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:09,159 Speaker 5: real life? Or was the fantasy of being pregnant and 113 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 5: the fantasy of being a mom much more compelling than 114 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 5: the reality of changing diapers holding a baby. Babies have needs, 115 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 5: you know. 116 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 2: And I want to clear one thing up, doctor Bethany Marshall. 117 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 1: You can be anything and have played with barbies as 118 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 1: a little girl. 119 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 2: My sister had the barbies. She's a brainiac. You know. 120 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 2: I tried to read something she published. 121 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 1: It was just a bunch of formulas with you know, 122 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:38,960 Speaker 1: like elements, and I'm like, okay, that was great. So 123 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 1: I'm not saying there's anything wrong with playing with barbies 124 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 1: when you're a child. 125 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 2: I mean, it can be fun. 126 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 1: But this is a grown woman that says she's a 127 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 1: real life Barbie. Okay, you know what, I've gone down 128 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 1: the Barbie trail way too long. Okay, that's not going 129 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 1: to help anybody a trial. I want to get to 130 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 1: the facts and. 131 00:07:56,680 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 2: What we know. Take a listen to this. 132 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:03,400 Speaker 4: Ten thirty a Wednesday morning, Lexington PD responds to a 133 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 4: call about an unresponsive infant found in a student department 134 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 4: in one of the tenants closets inside a trash bag 135 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 4: wrapped in towels. The baby was deceased at the time 136 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 4: officers received the report. Snelling returns to her apartment to 137 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 4: find police swarming the unit. Snelling says she cleaned up 138 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 4: after delivering the baby to conceal that she had given 139 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 4: birth and put all of the cleaning materials in the 140 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 4: trash bag with the baby. 141 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:33,719 Speaker 1: What I'm saying here to Josh Colsrude. He is a 142 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:38,320 Speaker 1: high profile criminal defense attorney, former felony prosecutor, founder of 143 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 1: Colsrud Law Offices. Josh, Now, this is anecdotal. I don't 144 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 1: have a statistic on this, but I noticed it over 145 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 1: and over and over in the over a decade that 146 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 1: I prosecuted felonies when the victim is a baby, very 147 00:08:56,559 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 1: often you see that case pled down like oh, you know, 148 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 1: they were tired of the baby screaming, and they basted 149 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:04,480 Speaker 1: its head on the dresser, or they got tired of 150 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 1: taking care of the baby where they forgot to feed 151 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 1: the baby and it died, And it's often played down 152 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:12,360 Speaker 1: to volunteer involuntary manslaughter. Now, I don't know if you're 153 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:15,080 Speaker 1: going to admit to that on the air, but it's true. 154 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:20,080 Speaker 1: When the victim is a baby, somehow it's treated as 155 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 1: less important in our justice system. 156 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:25,960 Speaker 2: Well, you know, these cases are tough, Nancy. 157 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:29,320 Speaker 6: You know, there's a very similar case that happened in 158 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 6: twenty seventeen Skuyler Richard, high profile case in Ohio. It 159 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 6: was a cheerleader and in that case she was charged 160 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 6: with murder with second degree murder and they went to 161 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:49,319 Speaker 6: trial and the prosecution lost. They lost because neo nanticide, 162 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 6: which is the intentional killing of a baby within twenty 163 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 6: four hours, is extremely difficult to prove because the scientific 164 00:09:57,400 --> 00:10:02,320 Speaker 6: tests generally cannot say with a certainty that murder was 165 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:05,440 Speaker 6: the result. And so here we just don't have enough 166 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 6: information yet. The coroner has stated that, you know that 167 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:13,080 Speaker 6: it's inconclusive. Right now, they are doing additional tests. But 168 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:16,920 Speaker 6: I looked into this and the additional tests are all 169 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:20,679 Speaker 6: going to have innocent explanations Number one, I think that 170 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 6: the prosecutor you go on and. 171 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:24,959 Speaker 1: On, thinking you were going to come back circle back 172 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 1: to the question, which you did not while you stay 173 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 1: that Brooks Schuyler Richardson was found not guilty. Isn't it 174 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 1: true that she was convicted of abuse of a corpse? 175 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:43,439 Speaker 1: She was not let go, she was actually found guilty. 176 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 2: Isn't that correct? Yes? 177 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 1: It is okay, you know, I'm sorry I had to 178 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 1: put your feet to the fire on that. But you 179 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 1: were suggesting that she walked away scott free. What you 180 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:56,959 Speaker 1: did say that I find pertinent is that the forensics 181 00:10:56,960 --> 00:11:01,720 Speaker 1: couldn't prove murder because very often, as you rightly pointed out, 182 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 1: Josh colesruthe, it's very difficult. 183 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:05,440 Speaker 2: To get a coed cost of death in a case 184 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 2: like this. 185 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 1: But isn't Skylar Richardson the one that buried the baby 186 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 1: in the backyard after she tried to burn the baby's body. 187 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 6: Yes, and she also admitted that the baby was alive. 188 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:23,320 Speaker 6: She told the police that she heard gurgle and that 189 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:27,240 Speaker 6: it was briefly alive. She said this to actually her parents, 190 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 6: who were in the interrogation room when they didn't believe 191 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 6: that the recording was still going on. 192 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 1: Josh, do you even remember the question? I asked you 193 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 1: what you just said? May Skyle look even worse Skyle 194 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 1: Richardson because the baby was alive. She said, it was 195 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:45,560 Speaker 1: gurgling and alive when she gave birth. Now it's up 196 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 1: to a jury to determine how the baby was born 197 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:51,839 Speaker 1: alive and ended up burned and buried in the backyard. 198 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:55,800 Speaker 2: That said, my question was to. 199 00:11:56,440 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 1: You, you know what, I'm gonna go to Chris Myers, 200 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 1: Chris Buyer's private investigator, owner of Buyer's Investigative Services for 201 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:08,280 Speaker 1: my purposes. He is the former police chief of John's 202 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:10,080 Speaker 1: Creek twenty. 203 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 2: Five years in LA law enforcement. 204 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:16,440 Speaker 1: Buyers, isn't it true that you guys work the case 205 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 1: of the dead baby, but when it gets to court, somehow, 206 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 1: when the victim is a baby an infant, it gets 207 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:27,959 Speaker 1: pled down to involuntary or voluntary. You know, I don't 208 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:28,559 Speaker 1: get it in. 209 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:31,080 Speaker 7: My experience with any of the cases that I've had 210 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:34,320 Speaker 7: like that, they have been pled down. And yeah, I 211 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:36,839 Speaker 7: can't explain it from the law enforcement side, that's for sure. 212 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:37,440 Speaker 2: Guys. 213 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 1: How did the baby end up wrapped in a blanket 214 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:46,839 Speaker 1: in her closet. Do you think it wrapped itself up 215 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 1: and went in the closet and died? Joining me now, 216 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:55,520 Speaker 1: Hermonia Rodriguez, Chief US reporter, dailymail dot Com, Hermonia, do 217 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 1: we know if Snellings had roommates? Because I'm trying to 218 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:01,679 Speaker 1: figure out who would call nine. 219 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 8: One one, right, That's one of the questions that remains 220 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:08,640 Speaker 8: unanswered in this case. Police have refused to say whether 221 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:13,319 Speaker 8: Snelling had any roommates and who called the police that morning, 222 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:16,600 Speaker 8: so that remains open ended. However, there's a lot of 223 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:21,160 Speaker 8: online speculation that says it was a roommate that called 224 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 8: the police that morning. 225 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:27,199 Speaker 1: Guys, you were seeing shots beauty queen cheerleader Laken Snellings. 226 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:34,360 Speaker 1: We already know that systematically, cases involving victims that are 227 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:41,440 Speaker 1: infants or children, but especially infants, are typically pled down 228 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 1: and treated as less important than adult victims. I don't 229 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:51,080 Speaker 1: get it, you know, I'm just thinking about who called 230 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:54,680 Speaker 1: nine to one one? How did she keep the baby 231 00:13:54,840 --> 00:14:00,440 Speaker 1: a secret? Isn't it true, Harmonia Rodriguez, that she she was, 232 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:04,679 Speaker 1: you know, a fantastic athlete. She was a stunt person 233 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 1: on the college cheerleading team, and you can see that 234 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:17,199 Speaker 1: she's pregnant during her stunts. Let's take a look at 235 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:20,800 Speaker 1: video of Lake and Snellings. Fright there, you go, that 236 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 1: is a baby right there, the baby, the baby is 237 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 1: in there. 238 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 2: I'm not a. 239 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 1: Medical doctor, but I can see that much. She was 240 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:34,960 Speaker 1: still performing stunts as a cheerleader while pregnant. What you 241 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 1: know what, doctor, Bethany Marshall denial and I ain't just 242 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 1: a river in Egypt? 243 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 2: Come on? What what is this? Bethany helped me out, Nancy. 244 00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:47,040 Speaker 5: Not only is she in denial, the whole team is denial. 245 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:49,720 Speaker 5: Is in denial. I mean, who's gonna be pull a 246 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 5: stunt like that when you have a baby in your timmy? Nancy. 247 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 5: What this tells me is she was already disconnecting from 248 00:14:57,320 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 5: the baby as she was pregnant. A mother who wants 249 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 5: a baby, or who has a wanted baby and her 250 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 5: tommy is not going to pull a stunt like that, 251 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 5: because the maternal instinct is to protect your child. Nancy, 252 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 5: did you hear what the reporter just said. When she 253 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:18,560 Speaker 5: put that baby in the plastic bag, she threw the 254 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 5: cleaning material on top of it. She threw trash on 255 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 5: her baby. It's so disturbing a. 256 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:31,160 Speaker 9: Member of the University of Kentucky's stunt team. Laken Snelling 257 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 9: is driven, admired, and hiding a secret that will crack 258 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 9: her dreams. 259 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:41,520 Speaker 1: And right now she is accused of a major felony 260 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:47,680 Speaker 1: after her dead infant baby boy is found wrapped in 261 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:52,120 Speaker 1: towels and a trash bag in her closet. Straight out 262 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 1: to Harmonia Rodriguez joining us, I'm daily mail, Harmonia. There 263 00:15:56,640 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 1: are two lines of inquiry right now as to who 264 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:03,280 Speaker 1: called nine one one, And this is important. Okay, you 265 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 1: may think who cares to call nine one one? They 266 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:08,560 Speaker 1: found a dead baby in the closet, But does the 267 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:11,080 Speaker 1: person that call nine one one have other facts and 268 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 1: evidence that would be probative. 269 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:16,000 Speaker 2: So these are the two lines of inquiry. 270 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:23,720 Speaker 1: One report is that roommates became suspicious after Lincoln Snelling 271 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 1: came back to school at the end of the summer. 272 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:29,400 Speaker 1: She didn't look the same as she did when spring 273 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 1: semester ended. 274 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 2: She looked pregnant. 275 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 1: Then on that Wednesday morning, the pregnancy bump was gone. 276 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:41,120 Speaker 2: So when she went to class. 277 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 1: That day, they the roommates decided to go into her 278 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 1: room and take a look. There are also reports that 279 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 1: one of the roommates had a dog that was going 280 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:57,480 Speaker 1: berserk outside Lincoln Snelling's room and outside of her closet, 281 00:16:57,880 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 1: and because of that, they looked in the closet. Both 282 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:05,160 Speaker 1: reports indicate one of the roommates called nine to one one. 283 00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:09,919 Speaker 1: Do you know anything about either of those two reports, Harmonia. 284 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:12,439 Speaker 8: Right, I have seen those reports. One is from a 285 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:15,160 Speaker 8: local and the other one really comes from this Facebook 286 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 8: page that is about the case. However, we have gone 287 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:22,760 Speaker 8: to police to ask about the circumstances of who called 288 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:25,439 Speaker 8: nine one one, and they still are not ready to 289 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:26,480 Speaker 8: release that information. 290 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:30,920 Speaker 1: Guys, you're seeing video lake and sneilings and it's kind 291 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:35,919 Speaker 1: of amazing how someone that seemingly has the world at 292 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:36,440 Speaker 1: their fate. 293 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 2: You know, there's no question. 294 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:43,959 Speaker 1: She's beautiful, she's vivacious, she's healthy, she's smart, and now 295 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:48,600 Speaker 1: she's charged with a felony. I think a lot will 296 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:54,480 Speaker 1: ride on the cause of death, but right now, that 297 00:17:54,760 --> 00:18:03,160 Speaker 1: cood remains undetermined. Joining me right now, renowned medical examiner, 298 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:07,240 Speaker 1: the chief medical Examiner of Terrant County, that's Fort Worth, Texas, 299 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:12,119 Speaker 1: esteemed lecturer at the Burnett School of Medicine at TCU, 300 00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:17,560 Speaker 1: and star of a hit new podcast, Mayhem in the Morgue. 301 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:21,760 Speaker 1: Doctor Kendall Crown's joining us. What does that tell me? 302 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:26,400 Speaker 1: They don't have a CD yet cause of death. Let 303 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 1: me read between the lines. That tells me there was 304 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:33,359 Speaker 1: no visible cood. Like you can just look at the 305 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:36,720 Speaker 1: baby and say, oh, the baby was bludgeon dead, or 306 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 1: the baby was shot, or the baby was stabbed, or 307 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:47,240 Speaker 1: LIGATUREI strangulation or manual strangulation. Maybe even you might need 308 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:50,400 Speaker 1: a microscopic exam to determine if there were a particiar 309 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:56,199 Speaker 1: hemorrhage to the eyes. But that tells me that the 310 00:18:56,240 --> 00:19:00,840 Speaker 1: cod was none of those things. What's happened happening, doctor 311 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 1: Kendall Crowns. 312 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 10: So typically with the babies that are found in trash bags, 313 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:08,000 Speaker 10: you first have to determine if they were born alive. 314 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:11,159 Speaker 10: There's certain things that you can look for. One of 315 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:15,240 Speaker 10: them is gestational age. If they're under twenty two weeks, 316 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:18,119 Speaker 10: they probably couldn't have survived being born. If they have 317 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 10: this thing called maceration, which is an overall kind of 318 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:25,639 Speaker 10: reddish decoloration sloughing of the skin of the baby, you 319 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:28,600 Speaker 10: know they died in utero. And then finally, do they 320 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:31,680 Speaker 10: have any major burst effects, like they have no brain 321 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:34,719 Speaker 10: or something of that nature. Then you go from there 322 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 10: and you have to figure out if they If you 323 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:39,320 Speaker 10: determine that they could have been born alive, then you 324 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:42,719 Speaker 10: have to determine if they actually took a breath. And 325 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:44,960 Speaker 10: that can be a number of tests that are actually 326 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:48,320 Speaker 10: not all that accurate. There's the float test with the lung, 327 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:51,919 Speaker 10: but that can be disrupted by decomposition. 328 00:19:57,560 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 1: Crime stores with Nancy Grace. You know, doctor Kendall Crowns. 329 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:09,240 Speaker 1: I appreciate your vast knowledge. I also appreciate all of 330 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 1: your episodes on Mayhem and the Morgue I do. 331 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:13,440 Speaker 2: I've listened to them. They're amazing. 332 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:17,760 Speaker 1: But could you please dummy down? Man? 333 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:21,200 Speaker 2: You said, oh, would let's say, did a floatation test? 334 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:22,600 Speaker 2: What not? 335 00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:27,560 Speaker 1: Everybody works in the morgue. Not everybody knows what you're 336 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:31,360 Speaker 1: talking about. You just rattled off about fifteen medical phrases. 337 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:34,280 Speaker 1: I'm surprised you didn't throw Latin at me. Could you 338 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:37,880 Speaker 1: just start over and speak regular people talk? 339 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:38,800 Speaker 2: Please, if not. 340 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:41,159 Speaker 1: For the listener for me, please start over if you 341 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:41,640 Speaker 1: don't mind. 342 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 10: So, the main thing, like I was talking about, is 343 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:46,359 Speaker 10: they're going to be looking for any signs that the 344 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:49,439 Speaker 10: child was living when it was born. So did it 345 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:51,399 Speaker 10: take a breath. And if it took a breath, the 346 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:54,640 Speaker 10: lungs will fill up with air and they could potentially 347 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:57,640 Speaker 10: float if you put them in water, so you could say, oh, 348 00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 10: that they breathe. If the lungs float water. The problem 349 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 10: with the. 350 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:06,040 Speaker 1: Flotation test, doctor Kendall Crowns right there, right there, you 351 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:10,600 Speaker 1: have to explain what that means, because that reminds me 352 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:13,640 Speaker 1: of when we were first told the Idaho for students 353 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:16,240 Speaker 1: that were murdered by Brian Coberger died in their sleep. 354 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:18,960 Speaker 1: So it's like they drifted off to a lullaby and 355 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:19,920 Speaker 1: they woke up in heaven. 356 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:21,680 Speaker 2: That's not what happened. They fought for their lives. It 357 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:25,000 Speaker 2: was horrible. You're saying the lungs are tested. 358 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:29,719 Speaker 1: What I believe you mean is this infant is cut open, 359 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:33,399 Speaker 1: its lungs are removed, and they're put in water to 360 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:34,600 Speaker 1: see if they float. 361 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:36,920 Speaker 2: Is that what that means? That's correct. 362 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:39,399 Speaker 1: You just rattled off the tip of your tongue like 363 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:43,320 Speaker 1: it's nothing. This is a baby, doctor Kendall Crowns, that 364 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:47,560 Speaker 1: now has to be cut open and its lungs removed 365 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:50,520 Speaker 1: from its little body. How big are baby lungs? How 366 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 1: big are they? And then dunked in water? How big 367 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:54,359 Speaker 1: is an infant's lungs? 368 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:58,879 Speaker 10: Well, it depends on how old the baby is gestationally, if. 369 00:21:58,680 --> 00:21:59,760 Speaker 2: They are newborn. 370 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:02,960 Speaker 10: If they are a newborn, their lungs are about a 371 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:04,640 Speaker 10: couple inches. Maybe have you. 372 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 2: Done a water test on a baby? 373 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:08,640 Speaker 1: Yes? I mean what went through your mind when you're 374 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:11,200 Speaker 1: cutting out a baby's lungs that are this big? About 375 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:15,920 Speaker 1: the size of a good cup, a kitchen measuring cup. 376 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:18,399 Speaker 1: I mean, do you look at it in your hands 377 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:21,560 Speaker 1: and think, my stars, what happened? 378 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:24,280 Speaker 10: So when I'm doing an autopsy and a baby, it's 379 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:26,959 Speaker 10: no different than doing an autopsy and adult. I have 380 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:29,480 Speaker 10: to determine the cause and manner of death. It's just 381 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:31,920 Speaker 10: it is what it is. I have to figure out 382 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:34,640 Speaker 10: what happened to this child or happen to the adults. 383 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:36,600 Speaker 10: And that's the purpose of my employment. 384 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:39,280 Speaker 1: Okay, I understand that you have to have may detached 385 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:41,720 Speaker 1: while you're performing all of this, But you know, when 386 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:44,600 Speaker 1: you just rattle off, I'm not saying you're wrong. I 387 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:47,480 Speaker 1: know for a fact that you're right, But when you 388 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:51,040 Speaker 1: say it so methodically I mean, I got to think 389 00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:54,800 Speaker 1: this through, doctor Kendall Crowns. You're saying, one of the 390 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:57,199 Speaker 1: first things you do to determine COEOD, if it's not 391 00:22:57,280 --> 00:23:00,720 Speaker 1: immediately visible with the naked eye, is you do a 392 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 1: float test. 393 00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 2: On the lungs. 394 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:05,400 Speaker 1: What that means is the baby is sliced open, its lungs, 395 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:07,040 Speaker 1: they're removed, and they're dunked in water. 396 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 2: What what kind of water? What is that in a pan? 397 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:10,879 Speaker 2: A sink? 398 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 5: What? 399 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:14,920 Speaker 10: It's tap water? And it's basically a big cup. 400 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:17,960 Speaker 1: You know, we are talking on and on and on, 401 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 1: doctor Kendl Crowns, about Blake and Snellings and she's a 402 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:24,960 Speaker 1: real life barbie and she's a stunt person, and she's 403 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:27,120 Speaker 1: a cheerleader, and she's gorgeous. 404 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:28,080 Speaker 2: And she's miss Fairest of the Fair. 405 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:33,960 Speaker 1: Nobody is talking about the baby boy that's lying on 406 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:38,400 Speaker 1: a more table getting its chest sliced open, it's lungs 407 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:40,200 Speaker 1: removed and put in water. 408 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:43,399 Speaker 2: Why does it have to be all about her? 409 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:48,640 Speaker 1: That's why White Cases and Josh Colsrude would not answer 410 00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:56,159 Speaker 1: earlier former federal prosecutor. I mean, okay, back to you, 411 00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:59,560 Speaker 1: doctor Kendall Crowns. So you do a lung test, and 412 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:03,920 Speaker 1: if they'll lungs float, that means they had air in them. 413 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:06,800 Speaker 1: That means that baby was born alive. Is that where 414 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:07,719 Speaker 1: you're going with that? 415 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:08,359 Speaker 2: That's correct. 416 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:11,720 Speaker 10: I mean if they've taken a breath, the lungs will float, 417 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:14,520 Speaker 10: but it could also mean they were given CPR. It 418 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:18,399 Speaker 10: could also mean there's decompositional gas formation. So one of 419 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:21,040 Speaker 10: the other things you'll do with the floatation test is 420 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 10: take the liver. Take a section of the liver and 421 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:26,080 Speaker 10: place it in the water as well to see if 422 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:28,600 Speaker 10: it will float, to show that there is or is 423 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:29,760 Speaker 10: not decomposition. 424 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:31,760 Speaker 1: Okay, wait a minute, Wait a minute, wait a minute, 425 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:34,760 Speaker 1: I've never heard this before. A float test on the 426 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:38,399 Speaker 1: baby's liver. So now the abdomen is cut out as well. Okay, 427 00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:40,840 Speaker 1: why would you do a float test on a liver. 428 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:42,760 Speaker 1: Why would there be air in a liver? 429 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:44,720 Speaker 10: There would be no air in the liver. So if 430 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:49,200 Speaker 10: the liver doesn't float, you know that there is no decomposition. 431 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:51,840 Speaker 10: But if it does float, then it puts into question 432 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:55,080 Speaker 10: of whether the lungs are floating because of decomposition or 433 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:57,919 Speaker 10: because there's air in them. So then you have to 434 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:00,480 Speaker 10: go to microscopic and aalysis. 435 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:03,040 Speaker 1: Okay, so you compare the float test of the liver 436 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 1: to the float test of the lungs, and if the 437 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:11,360 Speaker 1: liver goes down and the lungs go up, that indicates 438 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:15,000 Speaker 1: the lungs are floating because the baby breathed, not because 439 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:16,680 Speaker 1: of decompositional gases. 440 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:18,080 Speaker 2: Is that right correct? 441 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 11: Yes? 442 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:21,120 Speaker 2: Okay, so that's what's happening to the baby. 443 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:24,840 Speaker 1: What else will be examined to determine the cod of 444 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:29,320 Speaker 1: this baby? Because this all hinges on the coeod. If 445 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:31,680 Speaker 1: the baby was dead when it was born, was still born, 446 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:36,080 Speaker 1: if then there's not going to be a murder prosecution. 447 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:40,760 Speaker 1: As Josh Coles really pointed out, a lot is riding. 448 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:43,080 Speaker 2: On the cause of death. What else will be done, 449 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 2: doctor Kendall Crowns. 450 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:47,199 Speaker 10: So what else will be done is microscopic analysis or 451 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 10: looking at sections of the tissue under a microscope looking 452 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:54,280 Speaker 10: for any disease processes. Also, you'll be looking at the 453 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:57,120 Speaker 10: lungs there as well, looking to see if the air 454 00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:00,320 Speaker 10: sacks or the alveoli and the lungs have fed up 455 00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:03,000 Speaker 10: with air. The other thing you'll be looking at is 456 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:06,920 Speaker 10: the placenta, if it's available, looking at the placenta, looking 457 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:12,399 Speaker 10: for any evidence of hemorrhage or loss of oxygen, or 458 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:16,399 Speaker 10: infarction or infection of the membranes. You'll be looking at 459 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:19,239 Speaker 10: the umbilical cord to see if it's normally formed, if 460 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:22,119 Speaker 10: it was wrapped around the child's neck, or if it 461 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:25,680 Speaker 10: has inflammation as well. And then you'll also be looking 462 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:29,240 Speaker 10: for any evidence of trauma birth trauma where like the 463 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:31,879 Speaker 10: shoulder got stuck and they had to pull the child 464 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:35,800 Speaker 10: very hard, fracturing the shoulder or separating the neck. You'll 465 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 10: also be looking for inflicted trauma like crushing of the ribs, 466 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:43,000 Speaker 10: breaking of the extremities or the long bones of the extremities, 467 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:44,119 Speaker 10: or crushing of the skull. 468 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:48,919 Speaker 1: Harmonia Rodriguez, dailymail dot com. Thinking about and analyzing what 469 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:52,440 Speaker 1: doctor Kenil Krause just said regarding was the baby shoulder 470 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:58,800 Speaker 1: broken or prolapsed when it was delivered, other injuries to 471 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:03,800 Speaker 1: the baby during del It's my understanding that she had 472 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:08,240 Speaker 1: the pregnancy bump one day and the next day Wednesday, 473 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:12,119 Speaker 1: it was gone and she went to class, so obviously 474 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,200 Speaker 1: she did not have any injuries. That's right. 475 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:16,720 Speaker 8: And while we have not been able to confirm that 476 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 8: she told anyone about this pregnancy. As we saw, the 477 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:22,840 Speaker 8: images show that she has a visible bump that she 478 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:26,480 Speaker 8: then did not have after given birth. However, so I 479 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:29,080 Speaker 8: think it's safe to say she was probably not injured, 480 00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:32,280 Speaker 8: and the autopsy report did say that the baby did 481 00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:35,160 Speaker 8: not have any obvious injuries either. 482 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:38,760 Speaker 2: Good reversity. 483 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:40,480 Speaker 3: Joson County Bear. 484 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:44,000 Speaker 12: I am lady Shine. 485 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:52,879 Speaker 3: Her in his Nancy University in Kentucky and she's twenty 486 00:27:52,960 --> 00:28:00,600 Speaker 3: years of age. Her or critarium is just selling the worst. Also, 487 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:06,199 Speaker 3: being a student athelete, do one Nathalie on the stunteen. 488 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:06,960 Speaker 1: At a university in. 489 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:13,520 Speaker 3: One hundred plus community service hours someone past you honored 490 00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:16,720 Speaker 3: to be aground the Jersey City's student there and be 491 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:18,239 Speaker 3: unit to represent her. 492 00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:22,320 Speaker 1: Now, I want to be very clear at this juncture, 493 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:26,720 Speaker 1: lac And Snellings is not charged with murder. 494 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:28,680 Speaker 2: We are waiting on. 495 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:31,880 Speaker 1: A full and complete autopsy report. 496 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:35,960 Speaker 9: A roommate's dog leads to a horrific discovery inside Lincoln 497 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:40,280 Speaker 9: Snelling's closet. Inside a black trash bag, the remains of 498 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:43,840 Speaker 9: a baby boy, along with the evidence used to hide 499 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:44,520 Speaker 9: the birth. 500 00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:48,959 Speaker 1: Lincoln Snelling's caught on video stating how grateful she is 501 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:52,000 Speaker 1: for quote family. I don't know if that includes the 502 00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:55,360 Speaker 1: baby boy found wrapped in towels in a trash bag 503 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:57,920 Speaker 1: in her closet, but I want. 504 00:28:57,720 --> 00:28:59,920 Speaker 2: You to see some texts that we've uncovered. 505 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:04,440 Speaker 1: Here is Lincoln Snellings and if you see her goals, 506 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:07,840 Speaker 1: let's see a close up of her goals motherhood. 507 00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:09,880 Speaker 2: Well, then that baby is getting fed. 508 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,040 Speaker 1: A bottle by a loving mom with blonde hair like 509 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:12,960 Speaker 1: Lincoln Snellings. 510 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:14,800 Speaker 2: That is not what happened to this baby. 511 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:20,240 Speaker 1: And also circled as her goal is a family with 512 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:23,800 Speaker 1: two children, engagement, ring, money, and a house. 513 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:27,880 Speaker 2: What more have we learned? Being twenty is so weird. 514 00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:31,000 Speaker 1: Like I'm an adult, but I still can't really really 515 00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:34,520 Speaker 1: do anything. But people my age have kids. Well, I 516 00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:37,240 Speaker 1: think she knows the answer to that. I actually start 517 00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:41,280 Speaker 1: tweaking at the fact I may only birth boys and 518 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:42,520 Speaker 1: never get a girl. 519 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:46,880 Speaker 2: That would be a little small miniature me. 520 00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:52,600 Speaker 1: My parents had a whole child at my age and 521 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:55,200 Speaker 1: I don't even know how to drive on to the 522 00:29:55,400 --> 00:30:01,320 Speaker 1: tracks of a car wash. Okay, this and watching the 523 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:05,400 Speaker 1: kids play in the yard, she seems like she'd be 524 00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:07,959 Speaker 1: a great mom. How I sleep at night knowing I'm 525 00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:10,479 Speaker 1: dating the person I'm going to marry. 526 00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:12,479 Speaker 2: Marriage is scary. 527 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,120 Speaker 1: What if he doesn't want to put our daughter in 528 00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:17,560 Speaker 1: cheer the second she can walk? 529 00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:19,920 Speaker 2: Okay, I need. 530 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:23,680 Speaker 1: A shrink, and I need a shrink right now, doctor 531 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:24,560 Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall. 532 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:27,360 Speaker 2: The well, they all are significant. 533 00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,840 Speaker 1: Okay, Yes, none of this will likely ever come before 534 00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:33,680 Speaker 1: a jury because they will be deemed not probative. In 535 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:36,480 Speaker 1: other words, they're incendiary and they don't really prove anything. 536 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:37,520 Speaker 11: Right. 537 00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:41,480 Speaker 1: But what about the part about I want to have 538 00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:44,160 Speaker 1: a mini me? What if I only birth boys, which 539 00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:47,080 Speaker 1: this was a baby boy, and I don't have a girl. 540 00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:51,800 Speaker 1: I don't have a minime. That means something, doctor Bethany. 541 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:54,920 Speaker 5: What it tells me that she's preoccupied with having an 542 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,880 Speaker 5: idealized life with a little girl who's just like her. 543 00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:01,560 Speaker 5: That she's very self centered now. She's wrapped up in 544 00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:05,000 Speaker 5: her own little world. These texts are not to another person. 545 00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:10,240 Speaker 5: These texts are to herself. She is preoccupied with herself now. 546 00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:14,800 Speaker 5: Women who commit and fanticide usually are not attached to 547 00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,560 Speaker 5: the baby when they are pregnant. The baby is like 548 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,840 Speaker 5: an it, a thing. It does not have a personality. Nancy, 549 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:23,720 Speaker 5: when you were first pregnant, I remember you told me 550 00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:27,240 Speaker 5: were on the set of port TV. You were so excited. 551 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:31,680 Speaker 5: You were attached to your babies. It's called maternal preoccupation. 552 00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:35,440 Speaker 5: When you're attached. She likely was not attached to the baby. 553 00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:39,160 Speaker 5: She was attached to herself, and she was attached to 554 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:43,680 Speaker 5: the idea of an idealized life. There's the ring, then 555 00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:48,320 Speaker 5: there's the baby, Then there's the cash, then there's the house. Oh, 556 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:53,640 Speaker 5: there's the family. So this baby probably was getting in 557 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:57,720 Speaker 5: the way of some scheme or plan that she already had. 558 00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,720 Speaker 5: Maybe she was getting ready for a prom baby, she 559 00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:03,640 Speaker 5: wanted to wear a wedding dress. Maybe she wanted to 560 00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:07,040 Speaker 5: find a really rich guy, or she wanted the perfect wedding, 561 00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:10,560 Speaker 5: and this baby was just inconvenient because the little baby 562 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:14,360 Speaker 5: didn't come around at the right time in her whatever 563 00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:15,880 Speaker 5: her plan was for her life. 564 00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:19,480 Speaker 2: And doctor Bethany, here's something I don't understand. And I'm not. 565 00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:25,040 Speaker 1: Saying pro or con abortion. I'm not arguing about abortion tonight. 566 00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:29,360 Speaker 1: That's a whole other can of worms. But if you 567 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:33,920 Speaker 1: don't want the baby, why wait nine months and give 568 00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:38,800 Speaker 1: birth and then murder the baby? Why do that as 569 00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:42,840 Speaker 1: opposed to terminating the pregnancy in the first three months. 570 00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:45,320 Speaker 5: Nancy, in order to plan for an abortion, you have 571 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:49,360 Speaker 5: to be tethered to reality. Reality is that there is 572 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:52,680 Speaker 5: a baby inside of you. That baby is growing, That 573 00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:55,760 Speaker 5: baby will be a person in the real world with 574 00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:58,920 Speaker 5: real needs, a need for food, a need for love, 575 00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:01,800 Speaker 5: a need for care. I would doubt that she would 576 00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:05,320 Speaker 5: even be attached enough to this baby to plan any 577 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,920 Speaker 5: kind of medical procedure. I doubt she even went to 578 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:12,040 Speaker 5: a doctor and got her vitamins or her benataled care 579 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:14,760 Speaker 5: or anything like that. That's one of the more fascinating 580 00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:18,520 Speaker 5: parts of this story was did anybody recognize she was pregnant? 581 00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:21,480 Speaker 5: Did her own mother recognize, what about the other people 582 00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:24,040 Speaker 5: on the cheer team? Or was this sort of a 583 00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:27,960 Speaker 5: pipe dream about having a baby at some point in 584 00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:31,280 Speaker 5: her life? But at that point, she didn't imagine herself 585 00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:34,520 Speaker 5: to be pregnant. She was just dissociated from the reality 586 00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:34,920 Speaker 5: of it all. 587 00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:39,200 Speaker 1: And again, I'm not going down the pro life or 588 00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:42,520 Speaker 1: pro abortion rabbit hole, but I want to get back 589 00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:43,400 Speaker 1: to the facts. 590 00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:46,640 Speaker 4: Listen to this lacln Snelling leads not guilty to all 591 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:50,240 Speaker 4: three charges levied against her and posted her one hundred 592 00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:54,040 Speaker 4: thousand dollars bond. Snelling has been placed on house arrest 593 00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:57,320 Speaker 4: at her parents Jefferson City home. She will not be 594 00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:01,400 Speaker 4: required to wear an ankle monitor. Next scheduled appearance in 595 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,280 Speaker 4: a Fayette County court is September twenty sixth. 596 00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:10,040 Speaker 10: Relations that from our. 597 00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:13,400 Speaker 1: Friends at w k YT and you heard the judge 598 00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:17,920 Speaker 1: there at the end, Judge John Tackett. Wait a minute, Harmonia, 599 00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:23,000 Speaker 1: she not only has walked free, but she doesn't even 600 00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:24,560 Speaker 1: have to wear an ankle monitor. 601 00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:27,920 Speaker 8: That's right, Nancy. The judge order her to await trial 602 00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:31,160 Speaker 8: at her parents' home in Tennessee and specified that she 603 00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:34,520 Speaker 8: would not have to wear an ankle monitor while she 604 00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:35,600 Speaker 8: awaits her trial. 605 00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:41,600 Speaker 1: Why, Josh Coles, rude, you're the former federal prosecutor. Why 606 00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:45,160 Speaker 1: not even wear an ankle monitor? Forget the ankle monitor? 607 00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:46,160 Speaker 1: To hay with that? 608 00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:48,200 Speaker 2: Why is she out on bond? 609 00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:48,800 Speaker 11: Well? 610 00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:53,560 Speaker 6: Typically, judges have to look at two different prongs when 611 00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:56,880 Speaker 6: evaluating whether or not to give somebody a bond, and 612 00:34:56,920 --> 00:35:00,000 Speaker 6: if so, how much. The first is is the person 613 00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:05,280 Speaker 6: and a substantial danger to the community? And the second 614 00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:10,040 Speaker 6: is are they substantial flight risk? And here you're dealing 615 00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:12,640 Speaker 6: with somebody who doesn't have any in me. 616 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:19,160 Speaker 1: That she's young and pretty and rich and white. 617 00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:21,040 Speaker 2: What about that? 618 00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:24,719 Speaker 1: Does that factor into that bond decision? Because I think 619 00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:25,160 Speaker 1: it does. 620 00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:28,800 Speaker 2: Is she wor too pretty for jail? Because that worked 621 00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:32,520 Speaker 2: with debril Fay? Is that what happens just too cute? 622 00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:36,880 Speaker 6: Well in this case, respectfully, she has not been accused 623 00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:41,480 Speaker 6: of murdering anybody yet. The only charges in this case 624 00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:46,880 Speaker 6: so far are abuse a corpse and some lower and 625 00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:50,440 Speaker 6: some lesser included charges as well. So until the time 626 00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:55,320 Speaker 6: that the state actually accuses her of murdering an infant child, 627 00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:59,480 Speaker 6: she's going to be treated as a low level offender. 628 00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:06,400 Speaker 2: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. 629 00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:12,319 Speaker 9: Hey, Jim University PD. 630 00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:14,600 Speaker 2: Hey, I'm gonna need you to send a deputy over here. 631 00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:18,080 Speaker 5: At one twenty five Lakeside, we got a newborn baby's 632 00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:18,720 Speaker 5: bend discarded. 633 00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:26,319 Speaker 4: Okayy too, yep, thanks by miss Gingham University Delta Again. 634 00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:30,320 Speaker 4: The Theta Sisters fine a suspicious trash bag just outside 635 00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:33,640 Speaker 4: the front door. Tearing it open, they make a gruesome discovery. 636 00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:37,920 Speaker 4: Next to an instant macincheese box lies a dead baby girl. 637 00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:42,120 Speaker 4: Emily Weaver admits she birth the baby in the downstairs 638 00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:43,800 Speaker 4: bathroom of the Theta house. 639 00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:47,840 Speaker 2: Okay. In that case, sorority's sisters. 640 00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:52,120 Speaker 1: Find a dead infant and a trash bag right outside 641 00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:56,480 Speaker 1: their front door, and they immediately suspect em Emil Weaver. 642 00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:59,520 Speaker 11: Listen, Dell, I just just want to be able to 643 00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:03,319 Speaker 11: tell yeah, it was the cause of. 644 00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:05,000 Speaker 10: Death on the child. 645 00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:10,439 Speaker 11: And did you do anything physically too? 646 00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:15,799 Speaker 1: No, it's physically I really obviously didn't do much at all. 647 00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:18,080 Speaker 11: I was more concerned. 648 00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:19,600 Speaker 12: About me. 649 00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:24,160 Speaker 11: I guy was going to intentionally get at I mean, 650 00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:27,399 Speaker 11: I would have like not for its head up when 651 00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:28,960 Speaker 11: you just want it drop, you know what I mean. 652 00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:37,480 Speaker 11: But it was like potentially in her you did did 653 00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:38,920 Speaker 11: you try and keep her alive? 654 00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:42,919 Speaker 13: I didn't do anything to. 655 00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:50,520 Speaker 1: Put And then you add on Emily Weaver's texts that 656 00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:54,240 Speaker 1: she had been arguing with the BF boyfriend for about 657 00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:58,759 Speaker 1: a month about the quote situation, and then after just 658 00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,360 Speaker 1: a few hours after giving birth, says it text no 659 00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:08,120 Speaker 1: more baby taken care of. The baby was asphyxiated, suffocated dead. 660 00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:12,719 Speaker 1: Prosecutors argue she intentionally killed the baby by putting the 661 00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:16,319 Speaker 1: baby in the trash where it suffocated, and she was 662 00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:17,640 Speaker 1: sentenced to life. 663 00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:20,120 Speaker 2: That's what happened there. 664 00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:25,200 Speaker 1: So I'm just thinking through the having the baby and 665 00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:30,759 Speaker 1: doing nothing to keep the baby alive, not just that 666 00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:35,600 Speaker 1: putting the baby in a trash bag wrapped. 667 00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:37,480 Speaker 2: In a towel as in this case. 668 00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:42,600 Speaker 1: Could that have been the cause of asphyxiation in the 669 00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:46,440 Speaker 1: case in cheap Now, that case was about Emily Weaver. 670 00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:49,360 Speaker 2: But then there's Alexei Cheviso. 671 00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:52,239 Speaker 13: We had the lady come to clean the bathroom. She 672 00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,600 Speaker 13: put the baby in the trash can and then she 673 00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:58,480 Speaker 13: put another clean liner over the top of it. 674 00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:00,399 Speaker 14: I want they looked. 675 00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:02,080 Speaker 13: When they looked in there, it looked there was no 676 00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:04,680 Speaker 13: trash in that, but it's underneath the clean bag. The 677 00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:08,080 Speaker 13: baby's dead. Okay, we have them in Troumta too. But 678 00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:10,120 Speaker 13: she killed a kid. 679 00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:12,040 Speaker 5: Yeah, how to be? 680 00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:12,680 Speaker 10: I don't know. 681 00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:13,319 Speaker 13: It's full time. 682 00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:14,960 Speaker 12: She just had it. 683 00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:16,680 Speaker 10: She had it in the bathroom, was what happened. 684 00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:18,480 Speaker 13: And then she whatever she did. 685 00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:18,840 Speaker 14: I don't know. 686 00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:21,520 Speaker 13: She's gonna lie. She wouldn't tell us she's pregnant. She's 687 00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:22,560 Speaker 13: been lying the whole time. 688 00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:25,600 Speaker 1: So she goes in the bathroom pregnant, and then setting 689 00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:29,000 Speaker 1: the baby's gone and it's underneath the clean bag near 690 00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:32,719 Speaker 1: the trash can. There's more. 691 00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:35,200 Speaker 2: We discovered a dead baby in the bathroom. 692 00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:42,720 Speaker 14: Oh my gosh, sorry, Magsie, I told you about this, 693 00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:47,640 Speaker 14: but I just asked you babies, tell me the truths car. 694 00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:49,560 Speaker 5: Was not. 695 00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:54,360 Speaker 2: And that dude was crying. 696 00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:58,880 Speaker 12: Can do you guys have I'm the charge nursery. Do 697 00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:05,480 Speaker 12: you guys have any questions? It's like, what nine months 698 00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:09,920 Speaker 12: something was growing you. Let's see, have you watched the 699 00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:11,960 Speaker 12: news of the girls. 700 00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:14,120 Speaker 14: And what they do to their babies and when they 701 00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:15,040 Speaker 14: go to jail. 702 00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:23,880 Speaker 2: Those doctor Anthony Marshall, what's with that mom? 703 00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:26,520 Speaker 5: The mom seems more concerned about her daughter than her 704 00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:29,319 Speaker 5: grand baby. It's it's really concerning. And you know, this 705 00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:32,600 Speaker 5: is what we call nancy a soft kill. When women 706 00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:37,280 Speaker 5: kill their babies, usually it's suffocating them, poisoning them, whereas 707 00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:39,600 Speaker 5: with men it sends to be some more of overt 708 00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:43,120 Speaker 5: physical violence. So this is just a soft kill. And 709 00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:47,200 Speaker 5: the mother never says, oh my god, my grandbaby. Those 710 00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:49,239 Speaker 5: words do not come out of the mother's mouth. 711 00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:55,120 Speaker 1: I don't like anything you just said, soft kilm Those 712 00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:59,480 Speaker 1: words don't go together. Imagine how awful it would be 713 00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:04,040 Speaker 1: to be murdered my let's just say asphyxiation. Then imagine 714 00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:07,240 Speaker 1: if you're a baby. You can't speak, you can't move, 715 00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:09,360 Speaker 1: you can't run away, you can't fight back. You have 716 00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:13,680 Speaker 1: to just lay there and die with something held down 717 00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:16,640 Speaker 1: over your nose and mouth. And to doctor Kendall Crown's 718 00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:20,480 Speaker 1: soft kill my rear end. Could this baby have died 719 00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:25,000 Speaker 1: by asphyxiation simply by the baby putting being wrapped in 720 00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:28,480 Speaker 1: towels and put in a trash bag? Could that have 721 00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:30,480 Speaker 1: asphyxiated suffocated the baby. 722 00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:34,040 Speaker 10: Yes, we see that occasionally with full term inference or 723 00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:37,560 Speaker 10: babies that are beyond the twenty three week gestation. The 724 00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:39,920 Speaker 10: mother places it in the trash bag and seals the 725 00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:42,919 Speaker 10: trash bag, throwing it in the trash There's not enough 726 00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:45,359 Speaker 10: oxygen in there for the child to survive, and so 727 00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:49,000 Speaker 10: they eventually will suffocate by being in a plastic bag, 728 00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:51,479 Speaker 10: just as if you put a plastic bag over your head, 729 00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:53,080 Speaker 10: it would suffocate you. 730 00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:58,480 Speaker 1: And then to Chris Buyer's private investigator at Buyer's Investigative Services, 731 00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:01,520 Speaker 1: I want you to hear this case similar and it's 732 00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:02,640 Speaker 1: one brought up by. 733 00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:06,320 Speaker 2: Josh Cole Road Skyler Richardson. Is your bedroom upstairs or 734 00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:07,240 Speaker 2: bathroom upstairs? 735 00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:07,680 Speaker 5: Okay? 736 00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:09,040 Speaker 3: So she had to walk downstairs. 737 00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:11,640 Speaker 12: Are you carrying her? 738 00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:15,120 Speaker 14: Did you go into the garage or do you. 739 00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:16,880 Speaker 10: Have an outdoor shed like where you have a shovel? 740 00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:19,839 Speaker 2: Okay? When what did you find her? 741 00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:20,640 Speaker 3: What did you use? 742 00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:24,560 Speaker 5: Put a little old my god in it? 743 00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:25,200 Speaker 1: Okay? 744 00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:26,919 Speaker 10: Anderson, what did you do? 745 00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:29,000 Speaker 14: Did you have it and you didn't have any help? 746 00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:29,279 Speaker 3: Right? 747 00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:30,560 Speaker 5: Okay? 748 00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:33,160 Speaker 2: What did you do with her while you were digging? 749 00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:33,520 Speaker 12: The hole? 750 00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:34,520 Speaker 5: Turned down? 751 00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:40,920 Speaker 1: And Chris Buyers in that particular case, Skyler Richardson, Dad, 752 00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:45,279 Speaker 1: ask tell us what's going on, and she says, I 753 00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:48,760 Speaker 1: tried to cremate the baby just a little. 754 00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:55,000 Speaker 2: She tried to burn the baby. Chris, Yeah, that. 755 00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:58,640 Speaker 7: Is absolutely mind blowing. That level of evil. I just 756 00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:00,480 Speaker 7: can't even imagine just all. 757 00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:03,600 Speaker 15: Of these cases. We see just the level of selfishness 758 00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:07,880 Speaker 15: and self absorbedness in these in these girls, and just 759 00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:11,800 Speaker 15: treating these babies just like garbage just absolutely blows my mind. 760 00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:16,160 Speaker 1: Like garbage in every way putting it, putting babies in trash. 761 00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:17,200 Speaker 2: Throwing them in dumpsters. 762 00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:20,440 Speaker 1: I want you to hear it from the horse's mouth, Chris. 763 00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:24,279 Speaker 1: Here's Skylar Richardson stating that she tried to cremate the 764 00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:26,719 Speaker 1: baby just a little. 765 00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:29,719 Speaker 13: Pretty calful for she. 766 00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:32,080 Speaker 1: Said, you have to help your reading to hear that. 767 00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:36,480 Speaker 3: A little. 768 00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:46,120 Speaker 1: I want to be very clear at this juncture, Lincoln 769 00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:52,960 Speaker 1: Snellings is not charged with murder. We are waiting on 770 00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:57,319 Speaker 1: a full and complete autopsy report. Right now, we've only 771 00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:02,359 Speaker 1: got a cod as undetermined. But as we speak, microscopic 772 00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:05,400 Speaker 1: tests are being conducted similar to the ones that you 773 00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:10,239 Speaker 1: heard doctor kim l the Crown's discussing. Then we'll find out 774 00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:14,520 Speaker 1: if there will be an upgrade to her charges. And remember, 775 00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:20,800 Speaker 1: she is innocent tonight, innocent until that presumption of innocence 776 00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:24,680 Speaker 1: is pierced by facts presented by the state that prove 777 00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:29,200 Speaker 1: her guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Right now, we remember 778 00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:34,520 Speaker 1: an American hero Officer Caitlin written our Texas Department Criminal Justice, 779 00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:42,440 Speaker 1: just twenty three, survived by a grieving fiance, Zachariah and 780 00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:51,439 Speaker 1: her mother. Tera American hero officer Caitlin written our Nancy Gray, 781 00:44:51,520 --> 00:45:05,160 Speaker 1: signing off goodbye, Fred H.