1 00:00:03,640 --> 00:00:07,440 Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, it's Bill Courtney with an army of normal folks. 2 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:10,719 Speaker 1: And we continue now with part two of our conversation 3 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 1: with Scott Strode, right after these brief messages from our 4 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 1: generous sponsors. So there was a really pivotal moment for 5 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 1: you where you on like a real climb, like a serious, 6 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 1: you gotta be prepared climb that actually had a base 7 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 1: camp type thing, which you know, I don't where was 8 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:41,519 Speaker 1: this climb, by the way. 9 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:44,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, this is uh I think I think if this 10 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:47,159 Speaker 2: is the story you're talking about, then I was probably 11 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 2: in Alaska, so okay, and. 12 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 1: You were being guided right, all right, that's it. I 13 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:56,960 Speaker 1: want you to tell story. But I was curious what 14 00:00:57,120 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 1: mountain was that. 15 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:00,960 Speaker 2: Oh, oh this is where? Yeah, this is sort of 16 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:04,640 Speaker 2: I had. This was actually this was actually in the Himalaya, 17 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:08,319 Speaker 2: so when I hidding, No, no, this was when I 18 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:11,680 Speaker 2: got into recovery. I you know, this is before getting 19 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:14,479 Speaker 2: out to Colorado. But I I worked as an EMT 20 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 2: because I wanted to learn EMT skills to be a 21 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 2: better climbing partner, so i'd have some medical training. 22 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:20,199 Speaker 1: Wow. 23 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 2: But and also I realized being EMT is a job 24 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 2: you can just quit and go on a climbing trip 25 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:30,199 Speaker 2: and come back to yeah, because they're like, well, there's 26 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:31,760 Speaker 2: no job when you come back. And I was like, 27 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 2: how about the midnight shift, And they're like, okay, you're 28 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 2: good if you're any work this weekend, you know. So 29 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 2: But I would do that off and on and I'd 30 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 2: save up money and go on these expeditions. And I 31 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 2: went on this trip and we were climbing on this 32 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 2: this it's an eight thousand meter peak, so it's one 33 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 2: of the fourteen highest mountains in the world. 34 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 1: And we this didn't just get a codd Reiki raylop. 35 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 2: I had more than a gore text code at this time. 36 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, some folks do. 37 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:08,640 Speaker 2: I was going to try it without it, just because 38 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:10,360 Speaker 2: I had never been that high and I wanted to 39 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:12,240 Speaker 2: sort of see what I was capable of. 40 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 1: But we had to a serious climb. 41 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 2: Bro, Yeah, this is a serious climb when guides with 42 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 2: with guides, and the guide decided to go up with 43 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:26,920 Speaker 2: a couple of the clients, you know, and another guy, 44 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 2: Matt Mooney, who's a friend I befriended on the trip. 45 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:33,520 Speaker 2: I met him there. Turns out he was in recovery too, 46 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 2: and he was from New York and and you know, 47 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 2: we became buds and we were we were like, you 48 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 2: know what, we we started to realize that we actually 49 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 2: maybe even knew more than the guide and we were 50 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 2: making we were making some better decisions about like what 51 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:55,240 Speaker 2: to do in that setting. And to me, that was 52 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:59,639 Speaker 2: like a huge empowerment moment because like I for years, 53 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:01,960 Speaker 2: even as I was climbing all these mountains and doing 54 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 2: all this incredible stuff, I still didn't really believe in myself. 55 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:10,959 Speaker 2: And then I realized, like, like I know what's best here. 56 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 2: I know better than this like professional guide what should 57 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:19,680 Speaker 2: happen in this scenario, and made decisions that like protected 58 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:22,240 Speaker 2: my group of friends, you know. And Matt and I 59 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 2: started going down the mountain together, and you. 60 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:28,680 Speaker 1: Were like, you were like, y'all are nuts. This is dumb. 61 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 1: Yet we're not. 62 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:32,800 Speaker 2: Well, we just said, you know, I think weather's coming, 63 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 2: and it's pretty obvious when you look at the other 64 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:38,720 Speaker 2: mountains over there, and and and we're going to go down. 65 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 2: And they went up and we went down, and turns 66 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 2: out it was good we did. We actually were able 67 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 2: to rescue another climber who was having some altitude sickness 68 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 2: on the descent, and so Matt and I got this 69 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 2: guy down from the side of the mountain, and the 70 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 2: guys we were climbing with spent two days in a 71 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 2: storm at like twenty four thousand and got frostbite and 72 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 2: some high altitude mountain sickness, cerebral edema, you know, a 73 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 2: bunch of they were really struggling up there and they 74 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 2: ended up coming down. But something changed in me then, 75 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:20,599 Speaker 2: and it was like it started to really like disentangle 76 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:23,280 Speaker 2: that those negative thoughts about myself. 77 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:28,880 Speaker 1: That's a phenomenal story, I were. This is a great 78 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:31,480 Speaker 1: segue to get into Phoenix and all of it. But 79 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 1: before we go there, you know, I've watched the shows 80 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 1: on climbing Everest and watch them on TV, and the 81 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 1: closest my fat rear end is going to get to 82 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:47,279 Speaker 1: Everest is the TV. So but it feels like you 83 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:50,479 Speaker 1: may not know a climber from Adam, but it feels 84 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 1: like there's this code of camaraderie that no matter who 85 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:59,280 Speaker 1: you are as climbers, if someone's in distress, it's almost 86 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 1: your job to help them out. It's kind of like 87 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 1: if there's a maritime signal of distress, it don't matter 88 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:08,480 Speaker 1: who you are you go to try to answer that call? 89 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:11,040 Speaker 1: Is that the same thing in climbing? I mean, is 90 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 1: that kind of code exists on the mountain. 91 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:19,479 Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say for ninety percent of the climbers, yes. 92 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 2: And I think that that what you're really teasing out. 93 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 2: I think is that you know, in my recovery journey, 94 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 2: you know, ships taught me this sense of community and 95 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 2: this importance to be there for each other, and climbing 96 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 2: taught me that that there's a duty that we have 97 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 2: to each other as people that I realize later is 98 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 2: not just on a mountaintop, but it's something that if 99 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:49,560 Speaker 2: we carried with us in our every day I think 100 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 2: the world could start to change pretty dramatically. And that 101 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 2: code is there when you're four thousand feet up on 102 00:05:57,839 --> 00:06:01,080 Speaker 2: the side of a cliff. For sure, Scott, you busted me. 103 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:06,120 Speaker 2: That is exactly my tease is that I look, man, 104 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:11,920 Speaker 2: I'm for better or worse. I really I enjoy people 105 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 2: and I love listen to their stories, but also like 106 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:21,600 Speaker 2: searching for motivation and where things come from. And once 107 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 2: again I can't help but think when you tell the 108 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 2: story of coming down that mountain and helping a guy out, 109 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:30,040 Speaker 2: that was sick and trying to keep people from going 110 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:34,360 Speaker 2: into a situation where people got frostbite, and your time 111 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:37,840 Speaker 2: on the boat talking about a team that it's interesting 112 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 2: that this code of crumbroadery that you learn both on 113 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:47,039 Speaker 2: the ocean and on mountain climbing ultimately became part of 114 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 2: the ethos of what is what you do now? And 115 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 2: I just find it interesting. And you know, is it 116 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 2: too far stretch what I'm saying or do you think 117 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 2: there's something to that? Oh, there's absolutely something to that. 118 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:03,480 Speaker 2: And I think even what you brought up about my dad, 119 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 2: like me being able to see him for who he 120 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:09,280 Speaker 2: really was, passed his or through in spite of his 121 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 2: mental health struggles. You know, it's like the phoenix has 122 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 2: taught me that now that I just see people for 123 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 2: this innate strength that's within all of us, and this 124 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 2: value and dignity we have as people, no matter what 125 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 2: our circumstance at the moment. You know, sometimes life has 126 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 2: been tough and the opportunities haven't been there, and we've 127 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 2: experienced pain and trauma and things play out in a way, 128 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 2: but that make us appear as if we are our 129 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:43,640 Speaker 2: circumstances right. But the truth is we all have this 130 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 2: intrinsic strength and value and if sometimes if you just 131 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 2: get that other stuff out of the way, it starts 132 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:51,440 Speaker 2: to become expressed. 133 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 1: So with over forty six million Americans living with substance 134 00:07:56,440 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 1: use disorder and millions more affect by that, which is 135 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:04,560 Speaker 1: a perfect example of you as a child with an 136 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 1: i'lcoholic father in law and a father dealing with disorder, 137 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 1: you're part of those affected. And typically the affected also 138 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 1: become involved in one way or the other. So when 139 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 1: you're talking forty six million and me and more, you're 140 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:23,240 Speaker 1: talking a huge part of our population. I think last 141 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 1: year over one hundred thousand people died of fentanyl overdoses. 142 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:31,240 Speaker 1: I don't know a single person. I don't know a 143 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:35,040 Speaker 1: single human being that is not affected by addiction in 144 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 1: one way or another. A loved one, a friend, a 145 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 1: coworker who hasn't in touch fit or seen it, accidents, death, 146 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 1: all of it. And I think because of that, and 147 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 1: because it's become so prevalent in society, we almost get 148 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:55,400 Speaker 1: to sensitize to it, which I think is dangerous. But 149 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:59,319 Speaker 1: with all of that, faced with all of that, as 150 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 1: you start to understand your own value and you start 151 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:08,679 Speaker 1: to really on a personal level, understand the struggle with 152 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:11,320 Speaker 1: addiction because you went through it. It's starting at such 153 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:14,680 Speaker 1: a young age, but then you start to undercover, uncover 154 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 1: this love of outdoors and the strength that gives you 155 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:25,439 Speaker 1: and your own abilities. Now, let's talk about what Phoenix 156 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 1: was in your brain and what it's become, the amazing 157 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 1: redemptive story of all of this struggle and self discovery 158 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 1: that manifests itself in Phoenix, what your idea was originally 159 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 1: and what you did. 160 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:44,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, so we you know, that's a great recap and 161 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:47,439 Speaker 2: it did. It set these conditions for like the phoenix 162 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 2: to be born, right, and we we knew that there 163 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 2: had to be this sort of like code of conduct 164 00:09:55,320 --> 00:10:00,840 Speaker 2: or ethos that that created this sort of a supportive 165 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:03,520 Speaker 2: container for which Phoenix to happen. And that was like 166 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:06,200 Speaker 2: basically that says we're here to lift each other up, 167 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 2: not pull each other down. And we wanted it to 168 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 2: make it accessible to as many people as we could, 169 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 2: so you only had to be forty eight hours sober. 170 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 2: And we wanted it to be free because we thought 171 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:22,719 Speaker 2: building community shouldn't cost money, right, Like it's something we 172 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 2: should be able to do just as humans and and 173 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:28,839 Speaker 2: so so. Because Ben and I had both worked out 174 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 2: in outdoor kind of experiential education stuff, and I had 175 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 2: been a climbing guide at this point and coached and 176 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 2: durance athletes also, and including racing myself. Started bringing those 177 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 2: activities together and offering them for free to people in recovery. 178 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:47,959 Speaker 2: And it wasn't the fastest start to it, you know, 179 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:51,080 Speaker 2: like I was. I would ride my bike around Boulder, 180 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:54,080 Speaker 2: Colorado and put up stuff on like corkboards. This was 181 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:57,480 Speaker 2: like pre This was like in the MySpace days, you know, 182 00:10:57,760 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 2: like it really wasn't social media. 183 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 1: You didn't have some massive NGO behind you. You literally 184 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 1: had a discipline that you developed, which is being one 185 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 1: of the things I say often and our listeners probably 186 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 1: are sick of this redundancy on my part, but I 187 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 1: believe amazing things happen when a person's discipline and passion 188 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:27,160 Speaker 1: meet at opportunity. And what you're saying to me is 189 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 1: exactly that you had this discipline that you developed running 190 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 1: or not running from your addiction, but coping with an 191 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:39,200 Speaker 1: overcoming your own diction of out being quote outdoorsy, that's 192 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 1: your words, and climbing and your passion for it, and 193 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 1: now you're passion for people because you know the pain 194 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:50,840 Speaker 1: and you see an opportunity. But you don't have this 195 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 1: big order station. You're just a normal average guy run 196 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 1: around Boulder, climbing ice stuff and whatever. And you start 197 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:02,559 Speaker 1: putting board saying, hey, we got this thing called Phoenix 198 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:05,840 Speaker 1: and nobody's ever heard of, but trust me, we can 199 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:06,320 Speaker 1: help you. 200 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's that's exactly how it got gone. 201 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:13,920 Speaker 2: And you know, I got to found a guy who 202 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 2: helped us come up with our logo, you know, and 203 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 2: kind of fashioned it after some Native American like bird imagery, 204 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:23,680 Speaker 2: and it just sort of embodied what I thought of 205 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:26,080 Speaker 2: the phoenix. And and I would go to this climbing 206 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:28,480 Speaker 2: gym and Boulder and get punch passes, and I'd stand 207 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:30,600 Speaker 2: there with my harness in my hand, waiting on a 208 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:33,320 Speaker 2: Friday night because that's what the corkboard said, you know, 209 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:35,840 Speaker 2: And and no one showed up, you know, And I 210 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 2: stood there a lot of Friday nights like, well, well 211 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:45,280 Speaker 2: maybe tonight, maybe tonight, And it was but I, in 212 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:47,800 Speaker 2: my heart, I kind of knew that that there was 213 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:50,439 Speaker 2: a desire there. I felt like it had to click 214 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:52,800 Speaker 2: for folks because it clicked for me, it clicked for Ben, 215 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:55,439 Speaker 2: it clicked for you know, Matt and on that mountain 216 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 2: in the Himalaya. And sure enough, one night, this guy 217 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 2: Barry walked in and then he looked around. He's like, 218 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 2: does anybody else she kind to show up, and I 219 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:06,240 Speaker 2: was like, oh, maybe later, you know, And so we 220 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 2: just started. We just started climbing here. 221 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 1: No, you're the first in four weeks, but thank god 222 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:14,400 Speaker 1: you're here. 223 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, So we started climbing, and then there were 224 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 2: two or three folks and that first year, they're about 225 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 2: seventy folks that came to Phoenix and we did bike 226 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:31,440 Speaker 2: seventy seventy. Yeah, we started doing bike rides and hikes 227 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:36,800 Speaker 2: and climbing nights and taught like triathlon clinic and a 228 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:39,240 Speaker 2: whole bunch of other stuff. And it was a great 229 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 2: little core group that started out. 230 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:44,720 Speaker 1: And the only rule to those people were when you 231 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 1: show up to me, you got to be forty eight 232 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:47,199 Speaker 1: hours somber. 233 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 2: And adhere to that ethos that we're here to lift 234 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:50,480 Speaker 2: each other up. 235 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:57,000 Speaker 1: Okay, that was your one yep, And after seventy now 236 00:13:57,000 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 1: you're starting to think, all right, maybe I'm not complete 237 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:08,080 Speaker 1: nuts and yeah, right, yeah, we'll be right back. 238 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:18,719 Speaker 2: We felt we felt like so by now it was 239 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 2: you know, Ben Jackie and this guy Mike Britton and 240 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 2: Don Taylor, a couple folks had kind of come around 241 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 2: it that were like helping it actually happen. And we 242 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 2: incorporated as a nonprofit and we got our first donation, 243 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 2: which no surprise, was from my mom. You know, it 244 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:38,080 Speaker 2: was like it was pretty you know, pretty much a 245 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 2: regular startup nonprofit. So but we felt urgency even then 246 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 2: to make it a national thing. Not because we wanted 247 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 2: to build a huge organization because that's actually really hard 248 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:54,920 Speaker 2: to do, but because the need was so great, Like 249 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:58,880 Speaker 2: people started hearing about it even in this really early 250 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 2: stage and wanting it in their community because because people 251 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 2: were dying and people were losing the people they love 252 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 2: and care about, and there's a lot of pain out there, 253 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:12,080 Speaker 2: and so we felt an urgency to grow it. So 254 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:15,320 Speaker 2: we always had a vision of having it reach as 255 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:16,360 Speaker 2: many people as we could. 256 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 1: And year two, year three, yeah you could to chronologically 257 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 1: take me through it. 258 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, it started to really become a real thing, right, 259 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 2: Like we started getting donations from people that I wasn't 260 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:38,160 Speaker 2: related to, and and yeah, and uh so other people 261 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:40,800 Speaker 2: were investing in that vision. I just remember we met 262 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:45,080 Speaker 2: with this incredible foundation called the Daniels Fund in Denver, Colorado. 263 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 2: They came to climbing night one night and they saw this, 264 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:51,320 Speaker 2: you know, thirty or so people meeting in the climbing gym, 265 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:54,560 Speaker 2: high five and fist bumping when they got down from 266 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 2: the climb, and we're all in recovery and we're all like, 267 00:15:57,600 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 2: you know, literally lifting each other up with the rope, 268 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 2: you know, to the top. And they made a I 269 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:08,200 Speaker 2: think it was a thirty thousand dollars grant to the Phoenix, 270 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 2: and then I just felt like, you know, this is 271 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 2: this is something isn't just something we believe in that 272 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 2: other people are believing in this, and they've been funding 273 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 2: us since. They've been an incredible partner for the Phoenix. 274 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:23,360 Speaker 2: So that's when it really started to take off. 275 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:28,960 Speaker 1: And now you're in over forty states, one hundred and 276 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 1: fifty plus communities, you've got fifteen hundred volunteers, and you've 277 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 1: served over one hundred thousand people with Phoenix Free programs. 278 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 1: And in twenty twenty three alone you served another one 279 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 1: hundred thousand people. And today you've served three hundred and 280 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:56,400 Speaker 1: sixty four thousand what you call members have had seventy 281 00:16:56,440 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 1: two thousand events, twenty five hundred volunteers, act debated, and 282 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:05,480 Speaker 1: eighty three percent of the members. This is the one 283 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 1: eighty three people need to understand that. And I don't 284 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 1: know the exact numbers and Scotch you can fill in 285 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:18,600 Speaker 1: the blanks here, but going to typical both outpatient and 286 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:24,720 Speaker 1: inpatient programs, the rate of people who stay sober is 287 00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:29,400 Speaker 1: only in the twenties. I think. Is that not correct? 288 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:32,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's pretty low. It's about sixty percent of folks 289 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:36,000 Speaker 2: will relapse pretty quickly coming out of formal treatments. 290 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 1: Sixty and you have eighty three percent of members report 291 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:45,840 Speaker 1: remaining sober after three months. That's phenomenal. Yeah. So my 292 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:48,720 Speaker 1: question is what's the secret and the sauce. I mean, 293 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 1: what's the difference. And I think you're going to tell 294 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:53,920 Speaker 1: me it's community, but I want to hear it. 295 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:57,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well you're not wrong there. I mean we'd 296 00:17:57,720 --> 00:18:00,480 Speaker 2: say that you know, at Phoenix you often come for 297 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:03,199 Speaker 2: the activity or the workout, but your stand for the 298 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:09,760 Speaker 2: friendships and and I think even more importantly that that 299 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:14,760 Speaker 2: that self esteem ember for has been smoldering most of 300 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:18,320 Speaker 2: that person's life trying to get oxygen, and Phoenix just 301 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 2: gives it a little bit of that. And when they 302 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 2: get to the top of that climb, or they they 303 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:26,879 Speaker 2: they try that CrossFit work out for the first time, 304 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 2: or they try yoga and they get centered at their 305 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:35,359 Speaker 2: in their yoga class or meditation, they start to that 306 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:39,480 Speaker 2: starts to catch fire within them. So it's it's the Phoenix. 307 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:44,639 Speaker 2: And you know, my wife's in recovery and we actually 308 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:50,280 Speaker 2: met at jiu jitsu, but then later she came. She came. Uh. No, 309 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:52,520 Speaker 2: I try not to squish her because she's pretty tiny, 310 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:56,960 Speaker 2: but uh and I'm the opposite. But but she later 311 00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:59,480 Speaker 2: showed up at Phoenix and I found out she was 312 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 2: in recovery too. But she says, so she became a 313 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:08,000 Speaker 2: Phoenix member over time, and she said, Phoenix didn't make 314 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:11,399 Speaker 2: me strong, It just reminded me that I am, you know, 315 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:13,560 Speaker 2: And so I think that's beautiful. 316 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:23,680 Speaker 1: That's very very cool. Back when I was fifteen years old, 317 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:31,480 Speaker 1: Daddy number four had the time runs together. But one 318 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:33,640 Speaker 1: of my mom's husband shot up the house one night 319 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:35,280 Speaker 1: and I had to dive out a window to survive 320 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:40,040 Speaker 1: the night and I had all this dysfunction going on. 321 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 1: And anyway, I got in a fight in high school, 322 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:46,720 Speaker 1: and back then, when you got in a fight, you 323 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:49,480 Speaker 1: went to the principal unless you were a football player, 324 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:51,159 Speaker 1: and then you went to that coach's office. And I 325 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 1: promise you the head coach's office fifty times for us 326 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:57,360 Speaker 1: of the principal, right, yeah, And I love the man. 327 00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:01,640 Speaker 1: His name is Coach Spain, and he had he had 328 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:05,480 Speaker 1: this way of being grizzled and old school. He was 329 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:08,720 Speaker 1: a son of a cotton farmer and just old school, grizzled, 330 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:11,680 Speaker 1: but also had this way of you just knew he 331 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:13,720 Speaker 1: did care about you, but he didn't have to actually 332 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 1: say it, that kind of thing, old school guy. And 333 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:19,640 Speaker 1: I just know I'm going to his office and I'm 334 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:22,760 Speaker 1: about to get just laced up for getting in a fight. 335 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:25,400 Speaker 1: And he asked me what problem was, and I said, 336 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:29,680 Speaker 1: I'm angry. He said you're angry, and I said, I'm 337 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:33,920 Speaker 1: really angry, and he said, well, that's understandable. He said, 338 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:38,240 Speaker 1: I know about the dysfunction in your house. I know 339 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:40,480 Speaker 1: what you've been having to deal with and put up with, 340 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:43,640 Speaker 1: and at your age, that's a lot. And I think 341 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:48,919 Speaker 1: i'd be angry too, and he said, and frankly, nobody 342 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:53,719 Speaker 1: could back to something you said. Nobody could fault you 343 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 1: for being for succumbing to that anger because of those 344 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:04,080 Speaker 1: circumstances that you've grown up with. And he said, but 345 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:06,720 Speaker 1: I want to tell you what that looks like. When 346 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 1: you're thirty, you're probably going to be divorced, you will 347 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:14,439 Speaker 1: have lost one or two jobs, you will probably have 348 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:16,639 Speaker 1: a child or two out of wedlock, and you will 349 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:19,440 Speaker 1: likely have some sort of addiction to alcohol or drugs. 350 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:23,720 Speaker 1: If you continue to succumb to the anger and the 351 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:30,919 Speaker 1: frustration that you're surrounded by. Well, and he said, or 352 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 1: you can recognize that dysfunction. And he said, you're old 353 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:38,240 Speaker 1: enough now and you can make a choice, and you 354 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:42,840 Speaker 1: can be a rock that dysfunction breaks itself up. And 355 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:46,320 Speaker 1: he said, nobody can blame you for being a victim 356 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:51,520 Speaker 1: of the unbelievable circumstances you're dealing with. But you need 357 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:53,960 Speaker 1: to know what that looks like. So you can choose 358 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:58,040 Speaker 1: to either be a victim or a rock. Yeah, And 359 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:01,760 Speaker 1: I will tell you something I would like to say. 360 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:03,760 Speaker 1: At fifteen or sixteen year old, it was like a 361 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:06,720 Speaker 1: light shone down from the heavens and had epiphany that moment, 362 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 1: but I didn't, you know, But over the course of 363 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:14,720 Speaker 1: the year, that's really what got me thinking more about 364 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:17,159 Speaker 1: the life I was going to lead and the dysfunction 365 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:19,119 Speaker 1: that I was going to announce out of my life, 366 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:26,080 Speaker 1: because one man finally said, you're valuable. You do not 367 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:31,000 Speaker 1: have to be a product of your environment. You're worthwhile, 368 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:34,800 Speaker 1: You're lovable and if you do the right things, you 369 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:37,000 Speaker 1: can surround yourself with people that care about you, and 370 00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:39,359 Speaker 1: you can find success in your life. And it was 371 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 1: a coach spainstead now, but that was my moment when 372 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:50,440 Speaker 1: people chose to go up and get frostfight verse, turn 373 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:55,240 Speaker 1: around and go down and save myself. That was your moment. 374 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:58,399 Speaker 1: And the reason I'm telling this story to you is 375 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 1: in some ways you're showing people away to not be 376 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:11,320 Speaker 1: a victim of their addiction but rather find a way 377 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:13,800 Speaker 1: to be a rock against that dysfunction. 378 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 2: It feels like yeah, yeah, yeah, And I think that 379 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:24,520 Speaker 2: that's that's the thing that that uh, that's that pivotal moment, 380 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:29,080 Speaker 2: right like that that rock, that strength, that that that 381 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:34,480 Speaker 2: resiliency that's like innate in us. Yeah, it's there all yeah, 382 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:38,280 Speaker 2: that messaging that the circumstances that maybe it's the environment 383 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:41,000 Speaker 2: you grew up in, maybe it's family of origin, maybe 384 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:45,040 Speaker 2: it's the lack of opportunities, whatever it is, may start 385 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:49,400 Speaker 2: to have us question that. But something comes along sometimes 386 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 2: like that coach or whatever, that that experience for my 387 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:57,520 Speaker 2: wife or where where it just shines a light on 388 00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:00,119 Speaker 2: it that has always been there and that is with 389 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:02,440 Speaker 2: it within all of us. And I think it's great 390 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:04,080 Speaker 2: what you said too. You know, you wish that the 391 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,160 Speaker 2: light has shone down and that was the moment where 392 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:09,600 Speaker 2: it all changed. But the truth is, we can't unimprint 393 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:15,280 Speaker 2: that pain that was imprinted on us so profoundly, like 394 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:19,160 Speaker 2: the emotion in which that pain was imprinted on us 395 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:23,639 Speaker 2: was was really strong. Because you use the word trauma right, 396 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:27,640 Speaker 2: and I agree. But so the only way to disentangle 397 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:30,719 Speaker 2: that thread that's been woven through the fabric of who 398 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:35,440 Speaker 2: we are is through practice and repetition and reaffirming it 399 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:39,480 Speaker 2: and messaging like that and then proving out that messaging 400 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:43,520 Speaker 2: and truth. And that's the beauty of Phoenix, like it's not. 401 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:45,760 Speaker 2: You know, there's a bunch of youth programs that I 402 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:49,080 Speaker 2: was involved with before Phoenix where we'd take somebody out 403 00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:51,399 Speaker 2: on a sailing trip and they'd change their life, and 404 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:53,200 Speaker 2: then we'd put them right back on the same street 405 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:55,879 Speaker 2: corner the next weekend, and of course they're going to 406 00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:58,679 Speaker 2: go back to the old life. But like Phoenix is 407 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:01,320 Speaker 2: always there, there's some then every day you can go to. 408 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:03,640 Speaker 2: You can show up if you want to come every day, 409 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:05,440 Speaker 2: if you want to come twice a day, you can. 410 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:09,600 Speaker 2: And you just keep reinforcing that message that you're valuable, 411 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:12,720 Speaker 2: you have this innate strength. We believe in you and 412 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 2: believe it or not. Eventually start believing it for yourself. 413 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:19,960 Speaker 1: And it remains free for anybody who wants to help. 414 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:23,640 Speaker 2: YEP. The way you give back has become a volunteer 415 00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:26,960 Speaker 2: and for folks that is within their means, they become donors. 416 00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:30,800 Speaker 2: But it's not an expectation. You can come. People come 417 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:34,159 Speaker 2: for years and have never paid for a single thing 418 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:34,760 Speaker 2: at Phoenix. 419 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:54,280 Speaker 1: We'll be right back. This has become an organization now 420 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:57,040 Speaker 1: and now you've moved from Balder back to Boston, right, 421 00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:01,399 Speaker 1: And I mean you're in these states? Is that was 422 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 1: that right? 423 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:05,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, we're pretty much in every state now, so we've 424 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 2: we were growing so fast we have through the pandemic. 425 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:12,480 Speaker 2: We launch virtual and live stream Phoenix programs. We then 426 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:17,000 Speaker 2: got recorded content on tablets that we have distributed in prison, 427 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:18,679 Speaker 2: so you can come to the Phoenix when you're on 428 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:19,520 Speaker 2: the inside too. 429 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:22,960 Speaker 1: And uh you kidding, Yeah, we're kind. 430 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:27,600 Speaker 2: Of the peloton of recovery and prisons with a little 431 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:29,160 Speaker 2: less bandex you. 432 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:31,679 Speaker 1: Know, yeah, but a lot less. 433 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:35,280 Speaker 2: But it's it's uh, it's cool that people can connect 434 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:38,120 Speaker 2: to Phoenix. Then when they transition home, they can find 435 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:41,120 Speaker 2: Phoenix in their community. And then if you're not even 436 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,679 Speaker 2: living near a Phoenix, you can be the volunteer that 437 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:46,800 Speaker 2: starts it in your community. So it's almost seventy percent 438 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:49,520 Speaker 2: volunteer led now across the country. 439 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,040 Speaker 1: That's really got to help with recidivism too. 440 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:56,240 Speaker 2: It does, Yeah, it really does, because because you know, 441 00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:59,160 Speaker 2: when you when you're involved in the criminal justice system 442 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:01,840 Speaker 2: and saying thing coming out of drug and alcohol treatment, 443 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,440 Speaker 2: like when you're when your cell phone's full of people 444 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:06,720 Speaker 2: used to drink and use with or do whatever you 445 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:10,280 Speaker 2: used to do with, it's it's hard to stay on 446 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:12,800 Speaker 2: that path. But Phoenix fills it up with new numbers 447 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,320 Speaker 2: of people that care about you and want to see 448 00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:17,639 Speaker 2: you on Friday night, because you go to climbing together 449 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:20,080 Speaker 2: all the time, or you go out for a run 450 00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:22,520 Speaker 2: together every Friday or whatever. It is. 451 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:25,200 Speaker 1: So literally there's something every day. 452 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:28,520 Speaker 2: Every day and live stream you can find us from anywhere. 453 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:31,720 Speaker 2: And you know, we started building this app, that this 454 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:34,520 Speaker 2: mobile app where you could find Phoenix events you know 455 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:38,240 Speaker 2: near you and become a volunteer through the app. And 456 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:41,960 Speaker 2: then we realize, like we don't, We're not the only 457 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:45,240 Speaker 2: building block of healing, right, There's so many other things 458 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:48,640 Speaker 2: that people might need. So we started getting other nonprofits 459 00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:51,600 Speaker 2: onto our app as well, which is unusual in the 460 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:54,439 Speaker 2: nonprofit space for people to collaborate in that way. It 461 00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:57,560 Speaker 2: can be territorial. But we you know, there's a dozen 462 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:01,480 Speaker 2: other nonprofits that are on there now, and you might 463 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:05,280 Speaker 2: come for Phoenix and realize that c Kealing, who's also 464 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:08,320 Speaker 2: on there, can help you with your early childhood trauma, 465 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:11,919 Speaker 2: or you might realize that she Recovers, which is another 466 00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:14,919 Speaker 2: organization on there, might help you as a woman in 467 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:18,400 Speaker 2: recovery in a way that Phoenix can't, you know. So 468 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:20,600 Speaker 2: it's like, I think we want to keep building that 469 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,560 Speaker 2: out to the point where where there could be hundreds 470 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:28,080 Speaker 2: of nonprofits on there that are equally as profound and 471 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:31,480 Speaker 2: what they accomplish in people's lives as Phoenix. And then 472 00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:34,800 Speaker 2: we build a true continuum. And so if you need 473 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:37,760 Speaker 2: workforce development, we hope someday you can find it through 474 00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:40,760 Speaker 2: our app. Whether we're doing it or not, there's somebody 475 00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:43,080 Speaker 2: out there who's doing a good job. So let's get 476 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:46,600 Speaker 2: them on there and we can help each other's members. 477 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:52,280 Speaker 1: So how many people this year do you think you're 478 00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:52,840 Speaker 1: going to serve? 479 00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:55,920 Speaker 2: I think we're going to serve about four hundred thousand 480 00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:57,000 Speaker 2: people this year. 481 00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:59,080 Speaker 1: Alone, holy smokes. 482 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:02,200 Speaker 2: And we have about fifty thousand monthly active users on 483 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:06,040 Speaker 2: our app. And we're just getting started the way I 484 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:09,400 Speaker 2: see it, you know, we we worked with some philanthropists 485 00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:11,760 Speaker 2: to kind of set out a vision of serving a 486 00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:15,440 Speaker 2: million people in five years, and I think in the 487 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,600 Speaker 2: next five we'll get to a place where we serve 488 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:19,680 Speaker 2: a million people a year. 489 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:22,640 Speaker 1: How are you going to punt up that many flowers to? 490 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:29,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of crookboards, you know, so believe it 491 00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:31,000 Speaker 2: or not, When I go buy one, I still stick 492 00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:33,640 Speaker 2: a business card to it. I can't help I can't 493 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:36,520 Speaker 2: help it. It's just like I have that's where it 494 00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:37,200 Speaker 2: came from. 495 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a lot of money involved. 496 00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:43,120 Speaker 2: Here, Yeah, yeah, it is, But it's where. 497 00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,040 Speaker 1: Does it come from if it's all free? I mean, 498 00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 1: I get you got a lot of the a lot 499 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:50,200 Speaker 1: of the programming as volunteers giving of their time, but 500 00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:54,000 Speaker 1: you still got space. I mean, my goodness, there's a 501 00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:54,720 Speaker 1: lot going on. 502 00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:58,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, well we're blessed in that. You know a lot 503 00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:00,200 Speaker 2: of folks that you know, if somebody owns across at 504 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:03,560 Speaker 2: gym or functional fitness gym somewhere, they open their doors 505 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:05,760 Speaker 2: to us because they've been touched by addiction. And so 506 00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:09,600 Speaker 2: that's how we get volunteered space across the country. Some 507 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:12,680 Speaker 2: places we have brick and mortar, but you know, it's 508 00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:16,640 Speaker 2: really these like angel donors who want to make a 509 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:20,320 Speaker 2: serious change around this issue that have helped fuel the 510 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:25,000 Speaker 2: funding for building the app and the technology and for 511 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:29,560 Speaker 2: managing volunteer tiers at scale, because you know, I think 512 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:32,800 Speaker 2: next year we'll probably have five thousand volunteers just next year. 513 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:35,680 Speaker 2: So you know, it's a huge lift to do that. 514 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:40,600 Speaker 2: But when you look at the the financial cost, it's 515 00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:45,320 Speaker 2: nothing compared to the financial cost of the current addiction crisis. 516 00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:49,640 Speaker 2: It's it's a drop in the bucket the fuel phoenix 517 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:53,120 Speaker 2: at scale compared to the impacts on our community with 518 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:58,360 Speaker 2: incarceration and folks losing their lives. And then the compounding effect. Right, 519 00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:02,320 Speaker 2: if those adverse childhoods experiences impacted you and I in 520 00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:05,479 Speaker 2: that way, and then you lose a parent to addiction, 521 00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:09,160 Speaker 2: or you lose a parent to incarceration, and those things 522 00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:13,080 Speaker 2: begin to compound on the next generation. And so you 523 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:16,320 Speaker 2: know we need to move now. If we're looking at 524 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:20,320 Speaker 2: the overdose rates that you cited, which are true, and 525 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:23,120 Speaker 2: we're not even including alcohol and other illicit drugs in 526 00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:27,880 Speaker 2: those numbers, then today's the day to start to stem 527 00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:30,680 Speaker 2: the tide of it, or the next wave will be bigger. 528 00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:34,440 Speaker 2: That's why we feel this urgency even after all these years. 529 00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:43,160 Speaker 1: I think there's a I think there's two audiences to 530 00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:47,080 Speaker 1: tell the story to. One are the audiences like me, 531 00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:51,080 Speaker 1: the sappy, feel good guy that just wants people to 532 00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:52,960 Speaker 1: be better in scott at. 533 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:54,640 Speaker 2: That thinking, I'm in that bucket. 534 00:31:54,960 --> 00:32:00,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, So we ride the sappy bucket and we hope 535 00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:06,280 Speaker 1: that the genuine care for those among us who are 536 00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:10,280 Speaker 1: struggling or maybe not as fortunate as us is Then 537 00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:17,720 Speaker 1: we're incentive by simply the motivation to care for those well. 538 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:22,320 Speaker 1: I hope that's the bigger group of people. But there's 539 00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:27,600 Speaker 1: another audience here in my mind, and it's the pragmatist, 540 00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:33,960 Speaker 1: and the pragmatists need to understand that if we don't 541 00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:41,400 Speaker 1: do something about addiction, incarceration, what it's doing to the 542 00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:46,120 Speaker 1: middle class in the United States, what it's doing to 543 00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:51,720 Speaker 1: as socioeconomically. The pragmatist in us has to understand what 544 00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:55,680 Speaker 1: does our culture look like in thirty years if we 545 00:32:55,760 --> 00:33:01,480 Speaker 1: continue to allow lives, families, and neighborhoods to be destroyed 546 00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:08,240 Speaker 1: by addiction. Because ultimately, the truth is the basis for 547 00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:13,280 Speaker 1: a civilized society is a healthy tax space. And if 548 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:15,960 Speaker 1: you don't have a healthy taxpace, you can't build roads, 549 00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:19,520 Speaker 1: you can't run sewers, and you can't do anything. And 550 00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:25,240 Speaker 1: when your populace is not able to contribute to that 551 00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:30,840 Speaker 1: healthy tax space, there's a pragmatist, pragmatic reason for fixing 552 00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:34,520 Speaker 1: this too, which is our culture can literally fall apart 553 00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:43,640 Speaker 1: under the weight of addiction, abuse, incarceration, poverty, and the rest. 554 00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:47,880 Speaker 1: So while we do talk to the audience, mostly that's 555 00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:50,320 Speaker 1: in my bucket and your bucket on the Philly good Side. 556 00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:55,480 Speaker 1: The truth is, the inconvenient truth is there's a pragmatic 557 00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:58,719 Speaker 1: reason that this work is so important, and it's literally 558 00:33:58,760 --> 00:33:59,840 Speaker 1: a fight for our culture. 559 00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:03,320 Speaker 2: It is, it is, And I'm so glad you brought 560 00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:06,120 Speaker 2: that up because I think that the thing that I 561 00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:10,759 Speaker 2: saw most lacking in the addiction recovery field as I 562 00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:14,600 Speaker 2: got into this work with the Phoenix is that that, well, 563 00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:17,840 Speaker 2: often folks with addiction are seen as sort of a 564 00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:21,279 Speaker 2: problem to be managed by like these top down solutions. 565 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:26,000 Speaker 2: And then and then also the system itself is really 566 00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:30,440 Speaker 2: treating the symptoms, not the underlying why. But if you 567 00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:34,440 Speaker 2: go back to that underlying why, it can manifest in 568 00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:37,239 Speaker 2: a whole bunch of ways other than addiction. It can 569 00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:41,600 Speaker 2: be chronic illness. It can be divisiveness, it can be 570 00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:44,520 Speaker 2: othering of people. It could be anger, It could be 571 00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:47,960 Speaker 2: that that, you know, fighting, the stuff that you kind 572 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,920 Speaker 2: of talked about like that can come out all sorts 573 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:55,440 Speaker 2: of different ways where we're we don't feel safe and 574 00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:59,279 Speaker 2: supported and loved here, so we project out on the 575 00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:02,839 Speaker 2: world some way that we cope that is often a 576 00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:06,799 Speaker 2: negative way. And it's in that that I think these 577 00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:11,600 Speaker 2: bigger societal issues are being eroded from a saint the 578 00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:16,240 Speaker 2: same why. And I think if we can build nurturing 579 00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:20,879 Speaker 2: community for a million people in recovery who've been through 580 00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:24,560 Speaker 2: all this stuff with the ethos of we're here to 581 00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:26,360 Speaker 2: lift each other up, I think we can do the 582 00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:30,240 Speaker 2: same thing in our society more broadly, because we've proven 583 00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:32,400 Speaker 2: it out on a big enough cross section of people 584 00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:36,040 Speaker 2: that we would view as on the margins of our society. 585 00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:40,279 Speaker 2: But the truth is they are us, we are you know, 586 00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:43,400 Speaker 2: we are all rising from something. And if we actually 587 00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:46,080 Speaker 2: just took a minute to help each other up from that, 588 00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:48,680 Speaker 2: I think we'd have a different community. 589 00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:54,560 Speaker 1: And can you imagine the reciprocal effect of the million 590 00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:59,840 Speaker 1: people you serve twenty years later. That's a million interruptions 591 00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:05,960 Speaker 1: of dysfunction. That's a million interruptions of the next generation 592 00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:09,840 Speaker 1: to suffer the trauma of addiction. And just like the 593 00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:14,160 Speaker 1: ball has rolled downhill into our culture on this addiction, 594 00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:22,000 Speaker 1: it can roll downhill to health and redemption by interrupting it. 595 00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:24,920 Speaker 1: That the numbers work the same way, both in a 596 00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:29,640 Speaker 1: negative and positive way. And so you know, dude, have 597 00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,000 Speaker 1: you taken a second to look through the shelf of 598 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:37,240 Speaker 1: the mirror and thing, Wow, I was climbing a mountain 599 00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:39,799 Speaker 1: sixteen years ago and had a weird idea and a 600 00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:43,319 Speaker 1: piece of paper on a corkboard, and it's phenomenal. 601 00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:47,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, it is. It's been an incredible journey. And what 602 00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:50,560 Speaker 2: I'm really moved by is the people who've come alongside us, 603 00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:54,680 Speaker 2: you know, the people who've who've come alongside as volunteers 604 00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:57,279 Speaker 2: to carry the Phoenix flag in their community and take 605 00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:02,600 Speaker 2: us everywhere across the country. And the Phoenix members themselves 606 00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:05,920 Speaker 2: who take that ethos as a way of living and 607 00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,000 Speaker 2: they bring it out into the world and start to 608 00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:12,480 Speaker 2: interact in the world differently. And the donors who supported 609 00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:15,839 Speaker 2: it to get it where it is, because you know, 610 00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:18,560 Speaker 2: it's it's not a it's not a sexy issue to 611 00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:21,920 Speaker 2: fund around, right, Like, it's not it's not something that 612 00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:25,360 Speaker 2: we don't we don't build centers in hospitals to like 613 00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:29,320 Speaker 2: look at this issue. It's it's something that usually lives 614 00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:33,399 Speaker 2: in a darker shame place in our families and and 615 00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:36,360 Speaker 2: in our society. And the folks that have that have 616 00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:38,960 Speaker 2: put their their money sort of where their heart is 617 00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:41,960 Speaker 2: to help Phoenix get to more folks. Those are the 618 00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:45,759 Speaker 2: people I'm really moved by, but I'm also it's it's 619 00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:48,640 Speaker 2: so cool to see Like I sometimes I'll travel, you know, 620 00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:51,719 Speaker 2: around to meet with folks and different Phoenix chapters everywhere, 621 00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:55,200 Speaker 2: and and somebody will see the Phoenix shirt and they're like, yo, man, 622 00:37:55,239 --> 00:38:00,279 Speaker 2: you go to Phoenix. And I'm like, yeah, yes, yeah, 623 00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:04,120 Speaker 2: been going there a long time. Yeah, And they're like, 624 00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:06,520 Speaker 2: which one do you go to? I'm in Wichita, you know, 625 00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:10,080 Speaker 2: And so it's just it's cool to see that that 626 00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:13,600 Speaker 2: it is that it's they don't know me, they're from 627 00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:17,279 Speaker 2: totally different places, but they know that like this, this 628 00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:19,799 Speaker 2: bird means that that we'll reach our hand out to 629 00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:22,719 Speaker 2: each other when we need it. And if we all 630 00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:25,040 Speaker 2: did that, it would be a very different world. 631 00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:30,359 Speaker 1: Clear picture of a Phoenix meeting. You're liable to have 632 00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:34,960 Speaker 1: a line worker, an unemployed guy, a lawyer, a doctor 633 00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:39,560 Speaker 1: that I've got to believe that the cross section of 634 00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:45,799 Speaker 1: your members represents every possible race, creed, religion, faith, and 635 00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:50,080 Speaker 1: walk of life, because we've got to be mindful that 636 00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:55,960 Speaker 1: this addiction issue that you're attacked attacking is is not 637 00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:01,400 Speaker 1: specific to any particular scidal group. 638 00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:06,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's exactly right. We have. We have folks, you 639 00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:12,600 Speaker 2: know that that have widely different political bumper stickers on 640 00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:13,840 Speaker 2: their cars when they pull. 641 00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:16,680 Speaker 1: Up, you know, but it ain't cool to see them 642 00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:20,760 Speaker 1: at the end of it, embracing and and and coming 643 00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:25,400 Speaker 1: together around one thing despite their differences. They are amazing. 644 00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:27,960 Speaker 2: They're tying into the same climbing rope some nights in 645 00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:31,680 Speaker 2: the climbing gym, or they're fist bumping after the CrossFit workout, 646 00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:34,680 Speaker 2: or they're there for each other because one of them 647 00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:37,560 Speaker 2: had a tough day and felt like drinking, but because 648 00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:41,840 Speaker 2: his buddy's there, he didn't have to, because Phoenix was 649 00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:46,320 Speaker 2: there for him that night. And that's that's what's special 650 00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:46,920 Speaker 2: about it. 651 00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:50,239 Speaker 1: And a shameless plug is to me, that is the 652 00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:56,399 Speaker 1: power of an army of normal folks coming together, regardless 653 00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:58,960 Speaker 1: of who you are, what you believe, how you vote, 654 00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:03,040 Speaker 1: who you love, you worship for any of that and 655 00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:08,560 Speaker 1: joining in community and your organization is just yet another 656 00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:12,239 Speaker 1: example of the power of that. And it's phenomenal. If 657 00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:16,680 Speaker 1: somebody wants to join, somebody's looking for help, somebody wants 658 00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:21,320 Speaker 1: to be a volunteer, or God forbid, somebody wants to 659 00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:25,759 Speaker 1: open up their checkbook and help you grow. How do 660 00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:26,440 Speaker 1: they reach you? 661 00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:30,160 Speaker 2: They can reach us at the Phoenix dot org to 662 00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:32,640 Speaker 2: learn more, to donate on the website, and then you 663 00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:35,960 Speaker 2: can also find us in the app store and it's 664 00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:39,880 Speaker 2: the Phoenix a Sober Community. Look for that redbird and 665 00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:43,560 Speaker 2: download the app and just jump in. You know, as 666 00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:46,000 Speaker 2: soon as you come to your first event, if there 667 00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,520 Speaker 2: isn't one around, you can come to virtual and then 668 00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:51,160 Speaker 2: right away you'll have a notification on how you can 669 00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:53,560 Speaker 2: volunteer and start Phoenix in your community. 670 00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:57,560 Speaker 1: I actually read where it will actually give you a 671 00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:01,120 Speaker 1: map of where stuff is going on. That's very cool. 672 00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:02,360 Speaker 1: Explain that real quick. 673 00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:04,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, so we just you know, as long as you 674 00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:08,439 Speaker 2: leave your GEO locating on you can it'll it'll find 675 00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:11,000 Speaker 2: the events that are near you and populate them in 676 00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:14,240 Speaker 2: your feed. And then there's groups that you can join, 677 00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:19,640 Speaker 2: you know, around different affinities, and you'll find folks across 678 00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:22,520 Speaker 2: the country that support you on this journey. 679 00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:30,640 Speaker 1: Scott Strode, the son of a a a struggling father, 680 00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:35,400 Speaker 1: an alcoholic father in law, whose only respite was the 681 00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:43,320 Speaker 1: trees and streams behind his dad's farmhouse, who who found 682 00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:46,640 Speaker 1: his redemption on the side of a mountain one day 683 00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:51,919 Speaker 1: and decided he wanted to start and start helping by 684 00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:55,480 Speaker 1: posting notes on corkboard. Who now, sixteen years later, is 685 00:41:55,520 --> 00:42:02,280 Speaker 1: going to serve literally millions grow. What an amazing story 686 00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:05,879 Speaker 1: and I just cannot thank you enough for sharing all 687 00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:07,480 Speaker 1: of it with us today. 688 00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:11,520 Speaker 2: Thank you, and thanks for sharing your story too, because 689 00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:15,000 Speaker 2: that vulnerability lets us bring that stuff into the light 690 00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:17,040 Speaker 2: where that pain can. 691 00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:20,920 Speaker 1: Heal and we could be a phoenix exactly. 692 00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:22,800 Speaker 2: Yeap rising from the ashes. 693 00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:25,759 Speaker 1: All right, man, thanks for being with us, Thank you, 694 00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:34,160 Speaker 1: and thank you for joining us this week. If Scott 695 00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:37,160 Speaker 1: Strode or another guest has inspired you in general, war 696 00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:42,080 Speaker 1: better yet inspired you to take action by joining the Phoenix, 697 00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:46,120 Speaker 1: starting a chapter in your community, donating to Phoenix, or 698 00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:50,200 Speaker 1: something else entirely, please let me know. I'd love to 699 00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:53,440 Speaker 1: hear about it. You can write me anytime at Bill 700 00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:58,120 Speaker 1: at normalfolks dot us, and guys, I'll respond. If you 701 00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:01,600 Speaker 1: enjoyed this episode, guys, please share it with friends and 702 00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:06,239 Speaker 1: on social, subscribe to the podcast, rate and review it, 703 00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:10,000 Speaker 1: become a member a premium member at normalfolks dot us. 704 00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:12,640 Speaker 1: All of these things that will help us grow an 705 00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:16,000 Speaker 1: army of normal folks. I'm Bill Courtney, I'll see you 706 00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:17,239 Speaker 1: next week.