1 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:07,280 Speaker 1: Welcome to Money Making Conversations. It's the show that she 2 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:10,039 Speaker 1: has the secrets of success experience firsthand by marketing and 3 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:13,039 Speaker 1: Brandon expert Rashan McDonald. I will know he's giving me 4 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:16,640 Speaker 1: advice on many occasions. In occasion didn't notice, I'm not broke. 5 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:20,560 Speaker 1: You know, he'll be interviewing celebrity CEOs, entrepreneurs and industry 6 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:22,959 Speaker 1: decision makers. It's what he likes to do, it's what 7 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 1: he likes to share. Now it's time to hear from 8 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:29,520 Speaker 1: my man, Rashan McDonald. Money Making Conversations Here we come. 9 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:33,559 Speaker 1: Welcome to Money Making Conversation. I am your host, Rashan McDonald. 10 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:36,200 Speaker 1: It is important to understand that everybody travels a different 11 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:39,040 Speaker 1: path to success. That's because your brand is different, the 12 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:41,640 Speaker 1: challenges you're facing your life are different. So you need 13 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:44,160 Speaker 1: to stop reading other people's success stories and really start 14 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:47,159 Speaker 1: writing your own. Now you can be motivated by their success, 15 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:49,879 Speaker 1: don't get me wrong, because their stories can offer direction 16 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 1: and help you reach your goals. But remember it's your 17 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 1: planning and your committed efforts that's gonna get you there. 18 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:58,640 Speaker 1: My next guest is a person who's about planning, committed 19 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 1: effort in right direction on you in the right direction. 20 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 1: He's Doctor Michael Eric Dyson. He's one of America's premier 21 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:07,679 Speaker 1: public intellectuals and author of over twenty books, including seven 22 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:11,920 Speaker 1: New York Times bestsellers. Dr Dyson's recipient of two a 23 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:16,399 Speaker 1: CP Image Awards in the Lanks and Hughes Festival Medallion. 24 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:20,160 Speaker 1: Former President Barack Obama has noted everybody who speaks after 25 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 1: Michael Eric Dyson pales in comparison. His latest book, Long 26 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:27,399 Speaker 1: Time Coming Reckoning with Rachel in America is not national bestseller. 27 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:30,400 Speaker 1: Dr Dyson tells us about his latest book, Long Time 28 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 1: Coming and what compelled him to write this particular book 29 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:36,320 Speaker 1: during this time. Please work with the money making conversations, 30 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:40,760 Speaker 1: my man, Dr Michael Eric Dyson. Brother McDonald, man, it's 31 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 1: always great to see you. Hear you mellifluous language and 32 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 1: that fluid articulation with that. Well, we've been together a 33 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 1: long time, man, with Steve Harvey and I man all 34 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 1: the way back to l A days when when you 35 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 1: first came on our reader and UH came on, I 36 00:01:57,520 --> 00:02:00,560 Speaker 1: saw you knowny who's working for some other people. I've 37 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 1: been working with her, so I look, I'm just with 38 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 1: Steve Harvey alarm over here. But you go, now you go. 39 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 1: You know, I like to believe I had a little 40 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 1: blessing on each one of them. They blessed me. And 41 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 1: uh and more important of your information that you've given us. 42 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:13,240 Speaker 1: And I want to go right off the part. And 43 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:15,920 Speaker 1: you know, has been amazing racial year for us. You 44 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:19,360 Speaker 1: know as African American men, you know how we've always 45 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:21,919 Speaker 1: felt about the police from a standpoint of a strong 46 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 1: level of comfortness, you know. And but but they're sending 47 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:27,399 Speaker 1: it play out in the public's eye. How would you say, 48 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:29,799 Speaker 1: cell phone has player and cell phone has really been 49 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 1: the game changer. And I pursued a racial justice, There's 50 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 1: no doubt about that. It's a great way to characterize it. 51 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:41,799 Speaker 1: The Gutenberg shift introduced by the smartphone, particular, has changed 52 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 1: the game. Now. You know, Black folking technology were always 53 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:47,960 Speaker 1: doing stuff outside the box. Yes, yes, we had beepers 54 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:53,360 Speaker 1: before we knew doctors had beepers right right right, physicians 55 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:57,359 Speaker 1: have them too, what had and we knew what was 56 00:02:57,480 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 1: up so and they wasn't just paging their girls. We 57 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 1: have always made exorbitant, extravagant use available technology. And what 58 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 1: we've done with the smartphone has been extraordinary to be 59 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:19,240 Speaker 1: able to record. I mean when we captured in Rodney King, 60 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:24,840 Speaker 1: that was on a home video record, um, but but 61 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:29,080 Speaker 1: a portable one. Now with the smartphone, it's even more accessible. 62 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 1: Everybody in their mama, grandmama, grandson, you know, cousin, uncle 63 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 1: has a smart phone. Everybody wants to be Margaret Brooke 64 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:40,240 Speaker 1: White or you know Gordon Woods, uh and so is 65 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 1: there or Deborah willis. So. The thing is is that 66 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 1: we're able to use that smartphone to record what we 67 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 1: say is true. We've been telling you all that the 68 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 1: police act out of hand. We've been telling you all 69 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 1: that no matter what we do, they can cut the fool. 70 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 1: As my daddy used to say, they treat you with disrespect. 71 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 1: They will ignore you often, they will ignore your humanity, 72 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 1: your desire to be treated with equality. They will be 73 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 1: angry at you and resentful for you even having a 74 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 1: backbone or a voice. And now these these video cameras 75 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 1: have recorded it. Whether sometimes it's on the body cams 76 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 1: of some of these police people. But we can't really 77 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 1: rely on that because they turn them off and on 78 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 1: when they want, and they capture what they edited in 79 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:30,400 Speaker 1: their ult to their own advantage. But the video recorder 80 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 1: on the video camera on the smartphone has changed the game. 81 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:42,360 Speaker 1: George Floyd, Eric Garner, Walter Scott Um, Jacob Blake, Sandra Bland. 82 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:46,599 Speaker 1: We we know that was recording from the UH from 83 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 1: the body cam, but we know that the phone can 84 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:52,159 Speaker 1: change the game and make people see what we've seen 85 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 1: and at least throw a monkey wrench into the proceedings 86 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:57,719 Speaker 1: when people are trying to act like we were acting 87 00:04:57,720 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 1: the food. We were trying to run away from the police, 88 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 1: we were trying to custo mind, we were trying to shoot. 89 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 1: All that has been put to rest. The smartphone is extraordinary. 90 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:06,919 Speaker 1: Now let's talk about this because you know when you 91 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:08,920 Speaker 1: when I'm reading your book, you know, because it's like 92 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:12,160 Speaker 1: five chapters, you know, titled Black Deaf, Black Blue Plague, 93 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:16,240 Speaker 1: right THEFF seeing read White Comfort. You know when you know, 94 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 1: whenever I see a Henry Lewis Gates Journey Junior, no 95 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 1: documentary was on PBS, so you know, whenever he gets 96 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:26,159 Speaker 1: to Dr Martin Luther King, man, I can't watch that part, man, 97 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 1: that's the part of history. Mayor, I can't watch I 98 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 1: saw this weekend when he was going through when he 99 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 1: got to that name, he said, in eighteen six days, 100 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 1: I turned off the TV. Now you may not get 101 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 1: there with you. I heard death. Seriously, I heard that point. 102 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 1: I turned it off. I turned it offell something I 103 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 1: don't want erupt you. But given what you're saying, when 104 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 1: I go to the Civil Rights Museum in Memphis and 105 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:54,920 Speaker 1: get to his room from three or six, I cried 106 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:57,159 Speaker 1: like a baby every time. So it's like, I can't 107 00:05:57,200 --> 00:05:58,919 Speaker 1: you know. And so the reason I bring that up 108 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 1: because when you started looking at h Emmett Till and 109 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 1: Eric Ghanna Brianna Taylor, and you know what happened to 110 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:07,560 Speaker 1: the fifteen year old of Chicago Pendleton and they had 111 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 1: nothing to do with the cop violence, but it was 112 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 1: about you know, black on black violence and somehow how 113 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 1: racial that goes back to the thirteenth Amendment. When you 114 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:17,160 Speaker 1: are really going to break it all the way down 115 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 1: to Sandra Bland out of Houston, Texas area, how did 116 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:22,480 Speaker 1: you emotionally hold it together? That's the question I want 117 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 1: to write. And I'm talking to Dr Eric Mikeu's Dawston 118 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:28,119 Speaker 1: this book Longtime Coming Reckoning with RACI in America. Because 119 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:31,520 Speaker 1: you are a scholar you're intellectual, but you're still emotional, 120 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:34,160 Speaker 1: and you see all this stuff lining up, you know, 121 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 1: because what happened is a certain series of disbelief coming 122 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:39,919 Speaker 1: about when you go, really, I forgot about this, I 123 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 1: forgot about this. Tell us about that emotional journey and 124 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:45,799 Speaker 1: putting this book together. No, that's a great point you're making. 125 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 1: And look, obviously it was very difficult. Black people are 126 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:53,599 Speaker 1: traumatized and we're re traumatized. We are terrorized, and we're 127 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 1: terrorized again. We are hurt and we're hurt again. Um. 128 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 1: And so having the watch this, having to go to 129 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 1: see King's place where he was assassinated, which gets me 130 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:08,839 Speaker 1: every time, It makes me cry like a baby. Uh. 131 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 1: You know, people ask well, why did you write the 132 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 1: book the way you did. I'll tell you why, because, 133 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 1: as you said, I'm not just an intellectual, not just 134 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 1: a scholar. I'm a human being. I'm a black man. 135 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 1: When I see this stuff happening to black people, I 136 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 1: have a choice. I have to choose how to present it. 137 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 1: I have to choose how to articulate it. I have 138 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 1: to choose how to express it. But I make a decision. 139 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 1: Do I want to share the horror of what happened 140 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 1: to George Floyd. Yes, do I want to share the 141 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 1: horror of what happened to him mod Arbor, Yes, Now 142 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 1: I don't want to do it for sensational purposes. I 143 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 1: don't want to turn it into the pornography of black death, 144 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 1: where these are snuff films, the last few minutes of 145 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 1: black life shown on a recording that none of us 146 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 1: should see. There's no question. But at the same time, 147 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:59,040 Speaker 1: I figured, if they could endure the death, if they 148 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 1: could actually die, if they could sacrifice their lives not 149 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 1: intentionally there their their purpose here on earth wasn't, as 150 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 1: far as they knew, to amplify or to echo the 151 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 1: extraordinary quest for black justice in our time. And yet 152 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 1: because of the nature of their death, that's exactly what happened. 153 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 1: George Floyd said he wants to change the world. He 154 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 1: didn't mean die and change the world. He didn't mean 155 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 1: die and leave his daughter and other children behind. He 156 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:33,960 Speaker 1: didn't mean die in a enignominious death where he was 157 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 1: asphyxiated by the cops on a pavement street, where they 158 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 1: kept their knees on his neck for more than nine minutes. 159 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:47,320 Speaker 1: But because of how he died, that transformed this culture 160 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:51,840 Speaker 1: and indeed shook the globe. So if they could endure 161 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:55,200 Speaker 1: the death, the least we could do is to grapple 162 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:58,560 Speaker 1: with the hurt, the pain, the trauma, so that when 163 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:00,840 Speaker 1: we watch it and see it and learn about it, 164 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 1: we can say, we don't want this happening to anybody else, 165 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:06,080 Speaker 1: and let's make this the last time. That's the hope 166 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 1: I have. And try to talk about what these people 167 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:11,200 Speaker 1: have been through in this book. Well, you style it 168 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 1: into letters, and it really was you know, when I 169 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 1: when I started reading, like I already told you, broken 170 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:19,840 Speaker 1: down into five chapters, but the letter like black Death 171 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 1: is tied to in Mateil and you your story, it 172 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 1: really was a very humane way of of sadness. Like 173 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:29,679 Speaker 1: you know, Sam Cook, you know change is gonna come 174 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 1: and I don't think so. Okay, and we're gonna be 175 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:34,079 Speaker 1: at the mountaintop we'll see on the other side. I 176 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 1: don't think so. And that's what your book is trying 177 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 1: to say. It's not to say it's sane, but can 178 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 1: we make it to the mount top and look on 179 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:46,840 Speaker 1: the other side, will change come? Dr Dyson, Yeah, that's 180 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 1: a great question. Not inevitably, not automatically, not if we 181 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:54,200 Speaker 1: don't do it to make it happen ourselves. Not if 182 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 1: we don't do the things that will make change happen. 183 00:09:57,120 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 1: It won't happen because we wish it into existence. It 184 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:02,200 Speaker 1: won't happen because we hope it into existence. It won't 185 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:04,960 Speaker 1: even happen if we pray it into existence. You got 186 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:07,679 Speaker 1: to practice it into existence. We got to operate it 187 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 1: into existence. We got to act and do do real 188 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 1: live you know, practice, real live you know, activity, social motion, 189 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 1: social revolution, social resistance. We got to get up and 190 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 1: intend the world to be different. It will not change 191 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 1: of its own. You and I must grapple with the 192 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 1: means toward that end. And I do believe change can come, 193 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:40,079 Speaker 1: but only if we recognize that We've got to continue 194 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:45,680 Speaker 1: to raise our consciousness, raise our voices, and raise the 195 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:51,439 Speaker 1: awareness of the dominant culture and among ourselves of what 196 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 1: things should be done, what things should be addressed, the 197 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 1: mechanisms by which that change occurs, and how we can 198 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:02,320 Speaker 1: continue to resist arms and names, as Susan Taylor says, 199 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:05,760 Speaker 1: with other like minded people, to make a difference in 200 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 1: that sense, Yes, I am hopeful, not optimistic optimism, as 201 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:14,840 Speaker 1: the ryanhold Nieber the theologian Ships said as a shallow virtue, 202 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:17,720 Speaker 1: but hope is deep. 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Sign up for free at auto dit 239 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:21,480 Speaker 1: ai or download the app for free auto dot ai. 240 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 1: That's O T T E R dot Ai. Here's something 241 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 1: I've heard this a lot of her. Tom Trump say, 242 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:29,079 Speaker 1: there's a lot the word counsel is in your chapter 243 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 1: four seeing read when you start talking about counseling culture 244 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 1: a culture cancelation. Trump is saying that when you when 245 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 1: you get rid of the Confederate Statute, that's counseling that 246 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:43,560 Speaker 1: culture denied. But then he doesn't let everybody know that 247 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 1: we've been canceled all the way because that information about slavery. 248 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:49,320 Speaker 1: You know how Jim crow Laws is counseled because they 249 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:51,520 Speaker 1: don't tell us about that because they don't want white 250 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:53,960 Speaker 1: people to be uncomfortable when they're sitting in the classroom 251 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:56,600 Speaker 1: talking about what the ancestors did to us. So we've 252 00:13:56,600 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 1: lived a life of culture cancelation. What if you so 253 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 1: I'm I'm feel I'm with the right man to ask 254 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:07,080 Speaker 1: this question. What is culture cancelation of canceling culture? That's 255 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 1: a brilliant, brilliant analysis, and we have certainly been canceled. 256 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 1: You are so right. That's why I'm against cancel culture 257 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 1: in our expression, because white supremacy is cancel culture. And 258 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 1: I'm saying the cancel culture even if we call it 259 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 1: black Twitter or social media. Look, you might get a 260 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 1: Bill cos But you might get a Harvey Weinstein, you 261 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 1: might get an R. Kelly. But for the most part, 262 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:33,080 Speaker 1: you're doing the lateral movement. You're doing peer to peer, 263 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 1: and even some of the powerful people you go after 264 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:38,600 Speaker 1: because you disliked them. But to cancel another human being, 265 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:42,920 Speaker 1: that's a white supremacist fashion, uh fantasy. That's a delusion 266 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:46,760 Speaker 1: that we can totally eviscerat or wipe out, hold accountable, yes, 267 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 1: make people responsible, yes, But to cancel them if you 268 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 1: make a mistake, once you're done and gone. I believe 269 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 1: if Martin Luther King Jr. And Malcolm X were here today, 270 00:14:56,680 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 1: they would be canceled. Somebody would be trying to cancel 271 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 1: them because of their faults, because of their failures, because 272 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:06,160 Speaker 1: of their narrowness on some issues. And yet these men 273 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 1: did extraordinary things for us, the absence of which would 274 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 1: make us far poorer in spirit and in racial achievement. 275 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:18,840 Speaker 1: So to me, I'm not meaning what Donald Trump is meaning. 276 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 1: He's about cancel culture as pulling down them durn uh 277 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 1: Confederates flags and statues. Yeah, uh, you know what. I'm 278 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 1: all for that. I'm all for pulling them off the pedestal. 279 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:34,680 Speaker 1: That's not what I mean by cancel culture. His notion 280 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 1: of cancel culture is the ability to continue to be 281 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 1: demagogic and to be dictatorial, and to be fascist, and 282 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:48,800 Speaker 1: to be anti just anti black, anti brown, anti indigenous, 283 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 1: and to be exempt from social critique and moral responsibility. 284 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 1: That ain't what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the 285 00:15:56,520 --> 00:16:01,080 Speaker 1: inclination to believe that your moral position is the only one. 286 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 1: That the way you deal with people with whom you 287 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 1: disagree or who honestly make mistakes is to obliterate them, 288 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 1: is to wipe them out so that they have no 289 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 1: comeback if they make one mistake, whether they're the governor 290 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:17,560 Speaker 1: of Virginia who appears in black face. And if you 291 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 1: cancel him, what would you have missed? The fact that 292 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 1: he restored the voting rights of ten thousand ex prisoners 293 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 1: UH in returning citizens in Virginia, a large proportion of 294 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 1: whom we're black, the stuff he did with public health UH, 295 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 1: and also the wealth disparities and some of the social 296 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:39,280 Speaker 1: justice issues there. If you cancel him, you cancel the 297 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:45,000 Speaker 1: opportunity to reorganize the logic of democracy in Virginia. So 298 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 1: the thing is not to cancel people, hold them accountable, 299 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:52,480 Speaker 1: make them responsible, Yes, pay for your quote sins, but 300 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:55,960 Speaker 1: allow me a comeback so I can say with what LLL, 301 00:16:56,040 --> 00:16:58,560 Speaker 1: don't call it a come back. I've been here for years, 302 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:01,840 Speaker 1: Mama said, not you out. Let me have a chance 303 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:05,720 Speaker 1: to be redeemed, to be restored. I am not down 304 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:09,879 Speaker 1: with this evisceration, this eradication, this extirpation. This is just 305 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:13,120 Speaker 1: wiping them out because I disagree with you, whether it's 306 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 1: about sexuality, whether it's about gender, whether it's about race. 307 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:19,200 Speaker 1: I don't want a witch hunt through white America. Heye, 308 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:21,359 Speaker 1: twenty years ago, did you call somebody the inn word 309 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:23,760 Speaker 1: or did you do something wrong? I'm sure a lot 310 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:25,920 Speaker 1: of people did a lot of stupid stuff. Or when 311 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:29,640 Speaker 1: somebody's thirteen years old and they demignorant stuff and now 312 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:34,159 Speaker 1: here they are fifteen years later trying to, you know, 313 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:36,479 Speaker 1: become a ball player or get drafted, and we go 314 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 1: dig up some of the stupid stuff they I mean, right, 315 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:43,720 Speaker 1: And my thing is, I'm not saying, don't hold people 316 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:46,880 Speaker 1: accountable for If you still feel the same thing at 317 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 1: at that you felt at thirteen and it was racist 318 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:52,760 Speaker 1: and vicious, that's a different story. But if you evolved 319 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:55,480 Speaker 1: if you've grown, If you had some stuff when you 320 00:17:55,520 --> 00:17:57,720 Speaker 1: were younger it was dumb, or you said some stuff 321 00:17:57,720 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 1: that when you were younger, and now that you're more 322 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 1: mature in a different position, you're willing to change your mind. 323 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 1: Let's provide people the opportunity to grow into all I 324 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 1: believe with that, you know in in reading your book 325 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:12,160 Speaker 1: and I'm talking to Dr Eric Dice, Michael Eric Dyson 326 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:15,840 Speaker 1: a long time coming up reckoning with the RACI in America. 327 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:18,080 Speaker 1: The thing that it was two things in the book 328 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:20,800 Speaker 1: that really I was just taking it back. The detail 329 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:24,120 Speaker 1: you know in your book, how you timelined out you know, 330 00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 1: George Floyd's murder, how you timelined out the interactions between 331 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:34,879 Speaker 1: human Aubrey when he was hunted down black man running 332 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:39,240 Speaker 1: in the neighborhood. You know, uh, you know, the father 333 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 1: and son and then the cameraman who said he was 334 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:44,439 Speaker 1: just there alone for the moment, but then he blocked 335 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:47,600 Speaker 1: his path. So what I'm telling you is this, you 336 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:50,960 Speaker 1: gave me information I didn't know, which is a brilliant. 337 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:56,040 Speaker 1: Uh understand, because you realized that we need people like 338 00:18:56,119 --> 00:18:59,879 Speaker 1: you to give us the additional details because the media 339 00:18:59,880 --> 00:19:02,640 Speaker 1: is only gonna give you a minute or nanny seconds 340 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:05,400 Speaker 1: or a caption of what it is. This book gives 341 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:08,520 Speaker 1: you the details, especially on that my mom and Aubrey. 342 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:11,120 Speaker 1: If you want to know exactly where we went down, 343 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:14,080 Speaker 1: you gotta ride. They gotta buy your book, Michael, because 344 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 1: your book man is like I was like, wow, you 345 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:19,719 Speaker 1: know I mean from the time he got shot, then 346 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:22,639 Speaker 1: he got shot again, and then he hit him to 347 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:26,480 Speaker 1: try to fend himself off while he was being pursued, 348 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:29,520 Speaker 1: while he's being shot in attack. How he was cut 349 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 1: off by this quote unquote. I was just there to 350 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:35,159 Speaker 1: take film everything. I wasn't trying to stop him from 351 00:19:35,359 --> 00:19:38,439 Speaker 1: escaping or trying to stop him from doing anything. Wow, 352 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:40,960 Speaker 1: how did all this information come to you? And how 353 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:43,920 Speaker 1: did you think to detail it out like that? Because 354 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:47,119 Speaker 1: I'm telling he's brilliant, Because it opened my eyes and 355 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 1: brought me emotionally back to the forefront. I got to 356 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:52,520 Speaker 1: know more. I need to know more. And this is 357 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:55,200 Speaker 1: a fantastic book. Well, first of all, I talked to 358 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:57,399 Speaker 1: a lot of people on this book tour, and you 359 00:19:57,440 --> 00:20:01,040 Speaker 1: wanted the very few to dig into that, to acknowledge that, 360 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:03,680 Speaker 1: to talk about that, And I thank you for reading 361 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:08,600 Speaker 1: the book thoroughly, my man. Thing number one, because everybody 362 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:10,919 Speaker 1: who talking to you ain't read Joe book. And you 363 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:12,760 Speaker 1: have read it. Not only have you read it, you 364 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:16,199 Speaker 1: read it thoroughly. Um. And that's a real honor and 365 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:18,960 Speaker 1: thank you for that. Yes, I wanted to lay that out. Look, 366 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:21,920 Speaker 1: I did the quote spade work. I did the shoe 367 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 1: leather on the pavement kind of work. I went and 368 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:27,920 Speaker 1: dug up the facts. I listened to the transcripts um 369 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:30,080 Speaker 1: of what was happening there. I looked at the film. 370 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:32,480 Speaker 1: I looked at the breakdown. I looked at the timing. 371 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:34,720 Speaker 1: I looked at what the father was doing. I looked 372 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:37,080 Speaker 1: at what they claimed that they were doing. But, like 373 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 1: you said, the witness, I'm just there as an innocent party. No, 374 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:44,480 Speaker 1: you the third dude there, and you try to block 375 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:48,480 Speaker 1: my man from going any further and then retroactively after 376 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:51,560 Speaker 1: the fact ex post fact though you trying to, as 377 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 1: my daddy would say, make like you the darned hero. 378 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:57,760 Speaker 1: And you're the one who made it possible for the 379 00:20:57,760 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 1: film to get out in the world. But you know 380 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:02,280 Speaker 1: them other two white boys are the father and son 381 00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:05,560 Speaker 1: are mad at him. Why the hell are you recording 382 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:12,600 Speaker 1: this and that recording is essentially it should clench our conviction. 383 00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:15,439 Speaker 1: It should put us in jail for the rest of 384 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:19,080 Speaker 1: our lives, because we hunted this man down like an animal. 385 00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:23,400 Speaker 1: He was unarmed, he had no possibility of self defense, 386 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:27,600 Speaker 1: he had committed no crime, and out of wanting disregard 387 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:32,520 Speaker 1: for his life and the stereotypical pursuit of a black 388 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:35,320 Speaker 1: man as an animal, they went and hunted him down 389 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 1: and shot him and killed him. And I wanted every 390 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:40,919 Speaker 1: element of that to be brought to the fort, the 391 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:44,359 Speaker 1: details to be rich, so that people can understand exactly 392 00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:48,120 Speaker 1: what went down again, because now I this day why 393 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:51,080 Speaker 1: he was, you know, brought up on charges, because at 394 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:53,439 Speaker 1: first all that could be with witness witness, and then 395 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:55,359 Speaker 1: when they brought him up on charges, I really didn't 396 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:57,960 Speaker 1: understand why he brought up on charges. But then when 397 00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:00,600 Speaker 1: you say he cut him off, which four US armand 398 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:04,920 Speaker 1: Aubrey to go back towards the father and son duo 399 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:07,400 Speaker 1: who were pointing guns at him, and then they dropped 400 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:09,440 Speaker 1: out the truck, and that's when he was just fighting 401 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:11,159 Speaker 1: for his life. After that, he was just fighting for 402 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:13,120 Speaker 1: his life after that. And then when you looked at 403 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:16,159 Speaker 1: and then when you laid down the detail on George Floyd, 404 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:19,119 Speaker 1: you know, one was on his neck, one was on 405 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:22,280 Speaker 1: his back, and one was on his legs. That type 406 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:26,000 Speaker 1: of detail really allowed me to appreciate you know, your 407 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:28,040 Speaker 1: your your the ability to tell your story. You're a 408 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:31,320 Speaker 1: great storyteller. You're great story We need great storytellers because 409 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 1: of the fact that great storytelling tied the great facts 410 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:37,000 Speaker 1: and great information and you live at a tremendous amount 411 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 1: of information that uplifted me, opened my eyes and I 412 00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:42,600 Speaker 1: also allowed me to be able to share this book 413 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:45,480 Speaker 1: with other my fans, my family member, my daughter, and 414 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:47,840 Speaker 1: people know need to understand. I just love the way 415 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 1: you told the story and tied into an individual who 416 00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:54,119 Speaker 1: has been traumatized and they traumatized to the point that 417 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:57,439 Speaker 1: they were killed by transactional whether it was tied to 418 00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:02,000 Speaker 1: the police or community violence type situation that happened to 419 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:04,679 Speaker 1: the fifteen year old of Chicago, a young lady by 420 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:07,240 Speaker 1: name of Pumpton, who all knew was a scholar student 421 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:09,520 Speaker 1: and all that in her life was snuff dot And 422 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:11,720 Speaker 1: your beauty of this story is like the what if? 423 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:17,880 Speaker 1: Right right, sir? No, thank you again. The close reading 424 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:23,520 Speaker 1: mcdonnald was doing. Here is an object lesson in critique, 425 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:27,160 Speaker 1: criticism and engagement with a book. Man, this is what 426 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:31,560 Speaker 1: This is what authors like live for. Somebody take them seriously. 427 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:33,200 Speaker 1: You ain't gonna agree with me. Just read what the 428 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:35,840 Speaker 1: heck guy said. And I don't even care if you're 429 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:38,040 Speaker 1: arguing with me. Aren't you based on the facts of 430 00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:40,440 Speaker 1: what you read? And that's what you're doing. Man, Thank 431 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:42,760 Speaker 1: you so much. And yes, I wanted to talk about 432 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 1: both hands, the appendalty that I wanted to talk about. 433 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:49,040 Speaker 1: Now we know what's really called neighbor to neighbor of violence. 434 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:52,480 Speaker 1: People kill where they live. Ninety three percent of black 435 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:54,359 Speaker 1: people who are killed or killed by black people, but 436 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:56,879 Speaker 1: eighty four percent of white people who are killed are 437 00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:58,960 Speaker 1: killed by white people. So we ain't got no Oh 438 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 1: my god, why don't I cry? I was gonna drive 439 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:04,560 Speaker 1: White America into the dull drums and create catastrophe. People 440 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:06,439 Speaker 1: kill where they live. They don't get on no bus 441 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:09,040 Speaker 1: and take no tram and take no train. I have 442 00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:11,680 Speaker 1: to kill nobody. They're killing right where they are because 443 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:14,159 Speaker 1: that's where the drama is, that's where the trauma is, 444 00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:16,520 Speaker 1: that's where the hurt is. That's where the beef is. 445 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:20,680 Speaker 1: She was mistaken for a gang member, right They shot 446 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:23,919 Speaker 1: into the crowd, shot her in the back. One of 447 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:26,320 Speaker 1: them shot her, the other one drove the getaway car, 448 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:30,000 Speaker 1: and she was killed. Three lives lost. Two of them 449 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:34,359 Speaker 1: are serving life in prison, and her dear Pendleton's is lost. 450 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:37,040 Speaker 1: And that is the tragy I want to speak about 451 00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:41,240 Speaker 1: to illuminate the context of cancel culture because I draw 452 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 1: a parallel between us snuffing out our own in the 453 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:49,399 Speaker 1: radius of our intimacy, where are kin folk car that 454 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:52,680 Speaker 1: ends up hurting and harming them, and the way in 455 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:57,960 Speaker 1: which cancel culture operates to destroy communities, well, destroy careers, 456 00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:02,920 Speaker 1: and destroy human beings based upon the digital lynch mob 457 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 1: going out getting like they used when they want. You 458 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:09,160 Speaker 1: mentioned Emmett Till when they hung him and murdered him. 459 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:12,840 Speaker 1: It's a digital version of that lynch mob going on, 460 00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:15,399 Speaker 1: and I wanted to address that and as honest and 461 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:18,280 Speaker 1: straightforward a way as possible. Well, thank you Michael for 462 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:20,320 Speaker 1: coming on the show. Thank you for giving me a 463 00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:22,800 Speaker 1: book to read. Uh you know, this is my new show. 464 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:25,440 Speaker 1: I'm have a little table and we'll put back here 465 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 1: and it's gonna be one of the books. I'm gonna 466 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:30,399 Speaker 1: keep my favorites on that. So if anybody say I 467 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:32,239 Speaker 1: think I saw her Sean show and he had your 468 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:35,000 Speaker 1: book and sit behind him, to yare man, man, you 469 00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:37,200 Speaker 1: got a bunch of book I have a few selected 470 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:39,800 Speaker 1: ones I think that I called game changers. This is 471 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:42,080 Speaker 1: a game changing. Thank you for coming on my show, Michael. 472 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:44,040 Speaker 1: Thank you for having me. You one of the great 473 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 1: figures in our community and in our culture. You've been 474 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:48,720 Speaker 1: out here for you a long distance runner. You ain't 475 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,960 Speaker 1: no sprinter long this is running. You made my brother. 476 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:53,560 Speaker 1: Thank you for having me on the show. 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