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Speaker 1: R and D Money.

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Speaker 2: We are.

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Speaker 1: Take the child. We are the authority on.

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Speaker 3: R ladies and get her name was Tank and this

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Speaker 3: is the R and B Money Podcast, the authority.

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Speaker 2: On all things R and B.

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Speaker 1: Okay, you got the same clothes on. You do too,

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Speaker 1: I do too.

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Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying something because you know we

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Speaker 3: had we had flexing here earlier. But I said, listen,

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Speaker 3: there's gonna be a problem if we don't get the

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Speaker 3: better half in here, if we don't get that real

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Speaker 3: ar they sing in here, we.

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Speaker 1: Don't take this my fuck up lady, And she pulled

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Speaker 1: out Yes she did, shine up, she smiling, she smiling.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you. Yeah, I'm so excited to be here.

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Speaker 3: You have you have one of the coldest, like craziest,

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Speaker 3: awesomest smiles of all times.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Like of all times.

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Speaker 4: You just gotta be a mean person. If she smiles

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Speaker 4: at you know, you don't smile by you're mean.

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Speaker 2: You know. It's so funny. I came up with the

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Speaker 2: title of the song, and I co wrote it with

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Speaker 2: naughta Michael Walden and his team. And I came up

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Speaker 2: with that title because I used to get laughed at

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Speaker 2: in school because they said I smiled too much. They said,

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Speaker 2: you're always smiling. And so when Narda asked me to

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Speaker 2: write down a title for a song, I wrote down

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Speaker 2: I love your smile. And then that's how we started

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Speaker 2: forming the song from that title.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we're gonna get into it. Yeah, it's perfect.

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Speaker 3: It's like every time I see you, it's like, man,

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Speaker 3: life is all right.

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Speaker 2: As soon as you walked into that, just like this,

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Speaker 2: thank you.

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Speaker 3: Like and I smile a lot, right, but your smile

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Speaker 3: is different. Your smile is like it's radiant, you know

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Speaker 3: what I mean. It like it like commands good energy

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Speaker 3: and like holiness. It's like like when you smile the

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Speaker 3: lord walk in the room, you see your smile.

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Speaker 1: Right, I did that. I gave you a smile, so

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Speaker 1: like you're awesome.

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Speaker 3: You you're beautiful and and we want to of course

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Speaker 3: want to give you your flowers and and and give

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Speaker 3: you your your this you know, this is this is

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Speaker 3: your moment too, to lack of a better word, no pun,

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Speaker 3: intent to flex. Yes, today is your day to do that.

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Speaker 3: Because you are nice. You are you are cool, come

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Speaker 3: and collective, you are a consummate professional you.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, that is a sad you know that's about

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Speaker 1: the trap side. Yeah, so we want to get into

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Speaker 1: all of that.

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Speaker 3: We really, we really would love to start at the beginning,

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Speaker 3: the beginning of my beginning, of the beginning of you

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Speaker 3: with me. When do you identify this gift or who identifies.

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Speaker 1: It for you?

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Speaker 2: So my mom sings. As a matter of fact, she's

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Speaker 2: now in the group the emotions. She sings with the

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Speaker 2: emotions Emotions, So yeah, she's one of the emotions. Now.

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Speaker 2: They just did that big festival with Diana Ross and everyone.

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Speaker 2: So I come from a musical family. My mom and

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Speaker 2: my aunt, We're all from Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, and my mom

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Speaker 2: and my aunt had singing group. My dad would play

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Speaker 2: my mom would She sang the whole nine months while

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Speaker 2: she was pregnant with me. And so when I was

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Speaker 2: seven months, I came out singing like we live really

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Speaker 2: have it on cassette. My first song was telling Me

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Speaker 2: And I couldn't talk, but I had the melody down

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Speaker 2: just hearing all that music the whole time, and my

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Speaker 2: to pursue their singing careers. When we got to California,

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Speaker 2: when I got off the Greyhound bus, wander.

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Speaker 1: From that's it's the Greyhound.

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Speaker 2: We took the Greyhound.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, listen, all you new artists.

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Speaker 2: We got on the Greyhound.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it took like three days.

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Speaker 4: You better be back on that bus before they take

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Speaker 2: No, it was. It was not a great ride, but

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Speaker 2: And so she picked us up from the Greyhound station.

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Speaker 2: And I remember getting off the bus saying, where's Michael

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Speaker 2: was looking around for Michael Jackson. And you have to

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Speaker 2: really watch what you asked for because my dream as

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Speaker 2: a kid was to meet Michael Jackson. And I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: get to that. But I told my mom, Okay, I

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Speaker 2: I started going out on auditions, you know, for commercials

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Speaker 2: I had to scat with Ela Fitzgerald in the Kentucky

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Speaker 1: That's your first audience.

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Speaker 2: I sang with el Fitzgerald when I was eight years

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Speaker 2: did Star Search one Star Search at eleven years old,

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Speaker 2: and then I was in a musical called Get Happy,

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Speaker 2: and the musical was about the music of Harold Arlean.

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Speaker 2: I sang some of the Rainbow in that musical and

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Speaker 2: John McClain, who is over Michael Jackson's estate, heard me.

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Speaker 2: He came to hear me perform because he heard about

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Speaker 2: eleven years old. So that's how it all. That's how

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Speaker 1: Why she's been smiling since she was.

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Speaker 4: Calling me Matael Jackson. Okay, well you know John McLain

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Speaker 4: sign you got eleven.

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Speaker 2: John McClain signed me eleven years old.

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Speaker 4: After you win Star Search though, because this is another

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Speaker 4: thing talk about it. Star Search was like American Yes, yes,

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Speaker 4: Star Search was If you want Star Search, you were

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Speaker 4: the real deal, because it's so many people's stories that

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Speaker 4: talk about being on Star Search.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know I did Star Search.

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Speaker 2: Everybody does to say when I won, I want Star

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Speaker 2: Search twice Actually okay, but I want the finale.

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Speaker 1: So you won the you said the finale.

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Speaker 2: The finale, I learned the.

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Speaker 1: The big one when all the winners come back.

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Speaker 3: So you beat you beat your heat and then you

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Speaker 3: beat the combined Winner's.

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Speaker 1: Heat aka Thanos. I'm a smile, a smile and so

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Speaker 1: it don't hurt.

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Speaker 2: And then when John McClain signed me, I get in

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Speaker 2: was married to Minnie Ripperton. They wrote Loving You Together

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Speaker 2: and he introduced me to Tina Marie. And I'm eleven

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Speaker 2: years old working with Tina Marie at eleven years old,

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Speaker 2: so she was like one of the first producers that

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Speaker 2: And I recorded a whole album when I first signed,

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Speaker 2: and Jon McClain didn't use the label A and M

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Speaker 2: didn't use that album. We had to re record the

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Speaker 2: whole thing because I started to get older, my voice

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Speaker 2: started changing. He's so Brian Laren produced and wrote my

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Speaker 2: first album, which was called Discovery, and it came out

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Speaker 2: in eighty seven, So I had an album out before

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Speaker 2: I Love Your Smile, Yeah, in eighty seven.

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Speaker 4: Yeah no, And it's funny because I know of that time, yeah,

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Speaker 4: younger Janet.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, that's what well, Brian loren, I guess it

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Speaker 1: Because you had to know, no half stepping record.

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Speaker 2: We had no half stepping yeah signed baby Yeah, so yeah,

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Speaker 2: no half step in and and and and Okay, this

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Speaker 2: is the thing. I was signed in Janet. Janet's Control

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Speaker 2: came out in eighty six and I came out eighty

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Speaker 2: It was m all label mates, and I wanted to

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Speaker 2: it had nothing to do with Janet. But the hairstylist

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Speaker 2: and she had the same exact hair. So I was like,

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Speaker 4: I was trying not to, but people don't understand the

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Speaker 4: lot of the same hairstylists, a lot of same makeup artists,

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Speaker 4: a lot of different people that are like, oh.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know what, I just tried this on this

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Speaker 1: young girl and it would look good. It would look good.

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Speaker 2: On you, right, that's what happens.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, No, that happens.

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Speaker 3: Though all Yeah, in our business, and the fact that

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Speaker 1: It belongs to me.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: Never it never came from you. Who are you?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Thank you originated something?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So I had to at eleven. That was really

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Speaker 2: hard for me at the time. I was fourteen. By

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Speaker 2: the time the album finally came out, I was fourteen.

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Speaker 1: So you signed for three years?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I worked on songs for three I actually

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Speaker 2: worked with Ricky Bell and Rolph Trustman from New Addition

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Speaker 2: had a song, yeah, and Tina Marie and Leon Ware

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah. I worked with a lot of people on that.

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Speaker 2: And were you in school or I was still in school? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: So I went out homeschooling you yet No, I would

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Speaker 2: still go to school, come home, and after school go

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Speaker 1: I didn't. I wasn't, you know.

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Speaker 3: I didn't start doing my thing until later in high school.

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Speaker 3: But I can just only imagine, like we were offered

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Speaker 3: like it's still being.

441
00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:30,080
Speaker 1: Pieces.

442
00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:33,640
Speaker 3: People are still taking as many pieces of that song

443
00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:38,640
Speaker 3: as they can to make new moments and memories from it.

444
00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:42,600
Speaker 2: And I'm so grateful that is I'm so grateful.

445
00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:43,520
Speaker 1: That's hard.

446
00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:49,959
Speaker 4: So when this record, you said, it takes off immediately, Yeah,

447
00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:53,280
Speaker 4: do you feel the immediate shift in your life?

448
00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:58,320
Speaker 2: Yeah? I was really really busy, like to the point

449
00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:02,720
Speaker 2: where sometimes I would I felt I was exhausted because

450
00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:05,320
Speaker 2: I was going from one country to the next. And

451
00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:07,560
Speaker 2: you go into you go, you fly in to that,

452
00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:09,919
Speaker 2: you're on the plane for like fifteen hours. You get

453
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:12,560
Speaker 2: off the plane and go straight to a photo shoot,

454
00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:14,119
Speaker 2: and you go to the radio station and then you're

455
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:15,719
Speaker 2: sitting in the one room and then you have like

456
00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:19,639
Speaker 2: eighteen different journalists come in to interview. And I was

457
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:22,720
Speaker 2: just like, oh my gosh, I'm exhausted. But I had

458
00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:24,919
Speaker 2: my dad. I have one of my best friends. His

459
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:27,640
Speaker 2: name is Sean Earle. He was one of my dancers,

460
00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:30,760
Speaker 2: and he traveled with me and he kept me laughing.

461
00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:33,320
Speaker 2: And I'm telling you, the team that I had around

462
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:35,600
Speaker 2: it was really good. I don't think I could have

463
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:38,560
Speaker 2: done it without without the people that I had around me. Yeah,

464
00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:39,840
Speaker 2: So that helped.

465
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:44,560
Speaker 3: Litigrate because it's like and in those days, like the

466
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:48,280
Speaker 3: promo was a different kind of.

467
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:52,639
Speaker 1: Heavy, way different lift. It was way different. It was

468
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:56,000
Speaker 1: like sun up right to sundown.

469
00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:57,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I worked my butt off.

470
00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:00,879
Speaker 1: You're going to sleep for four to five five hours

471
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:03,919
Speaker 1: and we're gonna get right back at it again the

472
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:05,159
Speaker 1: next day. That's how it was.

473
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:07,080
Speaker 2: That's how it was.

474
00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:10,240
Speaker 3: And I had to fight that at one point because

475
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:14,240
Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm a machine, right and if you put

476
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:17,040
Speaker 3: it on the schedule, cool, I'm gonna get to it.

477
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:17,359
Speaker 2: Yeah.

478
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:21,960
Speaker 3: But then I started to realize that R and B

479
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:27,280
Speaker 3: is not supposed to be saying in between the hours

480
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:31,160
Speaker 3: of six am to ten am.

481
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:32,280
Speaker 1: It's just not right.

482
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:36,159
Speaker 3: It's just not And I said, I'm not I'm not

483
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:39,359
Speaker 3: gonna keep sucking up these more than show performances, right

484
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 3: because I don't.

485
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:41,919
Speaker 1: Belong here this early.

486
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:46,600
Speaker 3: R and be don't open up to six thirty pm,

487
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:52,600
Speaker 3: maybe seven eight, that's when we'll start the performances.

488
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:57,560
Speaker 4: You know, overseas it's a day chair clock, right, That's

489
00:25:57,560 --> 00:25:59,160
Speaker 4: why they ain't let your ass over there.

490
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 3: The problem is this, let are and be sick. Where's

491
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:11,720
Speaker 3: all singing when you need them? Where's the Keenan Way

492
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:12,679
Speaker 3: Show when you need it?

493
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 2: Huh?

494
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:18,040
Speaker 1: It's called the Army Money Podcast I'm talking about. That's

495
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:23,440
Speaker 1: what I aren't being supposed to be saying. Right, you're right,

496
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:25,680
Speaker 1: I'm just apologizing for what they did to us.

497
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:31,000
Speaker 2: That's true. Yeah, But now labels aren't doing artists development

498
00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:32,520
Speaker 2: and all that stuff.

499
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:34,359
Speaker 1: They're not doing any of this because they're not trying

500
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:36,560
Speaker 1: to build legends.

501
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:40,240
Speaker 4: They're not trying to build legacy. They're going off of

502
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:41,919
Speaker 4: what's hot right now, and then they're.

503
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:43,160
Speaker 1: Going to swap you out right now.

504
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:46,639
Speaker 4: You have to decide for yourself if you want to

505
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:50,359
Speaker 4: be in that category at any point of your career

506
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:52,720
Speaker 4: that's true, you know what I mean. But before they

507
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:54,919
Speaker 4: were literally like no this artist, because think about it,

508
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:58,040
Speaker 4: they were some artists were signed to six, eight, ten

509
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:01,480
Speaker 4: album deals, so they're like, oh, this is and we're

510
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 4: gonna believe in you to album three or album whatever

511
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 4: it is the case may be. Because even in your case,

512
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:11,400
Speaker 4: you sign an eleven, the album don't come out to fourteen.

513
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,120
Speaker 1: Only reason you leave is because Joan mccauyn left.

514
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, you might have still been there by the second album,

515
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:19,360
Speaker 4: third album, whatever it is. And I don't even think

516
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 4: the labels look at the artists in the long run

517
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 4: like that because the songs come and go, and ultimately

518
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 4: the artists come and go. But before it was kind

519
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 4: of a forced thing. We're gonna force you to be great,

520
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:33,760
Speaker 4: right right, because we believe in you.

521
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:38,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, like Motown. They even they worked with me so

522
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:41,199
Speaker 2: much that they even had a guy come in to

523
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:43,800
Speaker 2: teach me how to do interviews. And I'm gonna tell

524
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:45,679
Speaker 2: you why, because I had to. We had I had

525
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:49,200
Speaker 2: to train for this because I am extremely shy. I'm

526
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,360
Speaker 2: a shy person. So when I used to sit down

527
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 2: and do my interviews, I would just give it like

528
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 2: a one line answer. So, I mean that Motown really,

529
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:03,919
Speaker 2: you know, they taught me how to do interviews, you know,

530
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:07,400
Speaker 2: brought in someone with wardrobe and hair and makeup and

531
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:10,880
Speaker 2: just all of that stuff, dance classes and acting and

532
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 2: all of that.

533
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 1: But that was an investment, don't you are a real investment.

534
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 3: And I just, man, it's just not because you see

535
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 3: you see glimpses of the talent in today's R and

536
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 3: B artists, but you can tell immediately from the school

537
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 3: that we're from. Ah, they just haven't been trained, and

538
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 3: they suffer because of it. They suffer live because of it,

539
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 3: They suffer in interviews because of it. They don't know

540
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 3: how to get back to the point of while they're there,

541
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 3: they're able to be laid off on tangents that have

542
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 3: nothing to do. You know why we're here right promoting

543
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 3: an album, we're promoting a single. We're like all of

544
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 3: these things that all these people have been laid off.

545
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 1: The positions aren't even there anymore, and I missed.

546
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 2: I'm so glad I got to experience the eighties in

547
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 2: the nineties using the Golden Yeah, those are some great

548
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 2: years because I'm looking at it now and it's like,

549
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 2: I hate that people can't go to the record store

550
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 2: and then like buy the record and look at the

551
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 2: artwork and read all the credits, and you know, I

552
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 2: hate that, Like people are downloading stuff for free and

553
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 2: getting music for free. They're not buying it.

554
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 1: They're not buying into the experience of an artist.

555
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then these streaming companies are taking all of

556
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 2: our money. We're not making anything off of streams.

557
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 3: Well, they're also killing again the true artists experience right

558
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 3: in between phones and the concert and songs being sold

559
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 3: one at a time. Right, you can't really you can't

560
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 3: really get into the story. Like back in the day

561
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 3: when you bought that Anita Baker album, that whole thing.

562
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, Like I listened. I flipped the album. Yeah,

563
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 1: listen to it from front to back. Any heartbreak flip

564
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 1: that album? Yeah, god god, yeah, the whole thing. Yes,

565
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 1: I bought it.

566
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 3: I was into the story from song one to eleven.

567
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 1: And we don't have that. When I went to the

568
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 1: New Edition concert, I don't have a phone, right, I

569
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 1: have nothing.

570
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 2: I me and my mom might I had a pager.

571
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 3: I had a bad outfit. No, I have a pager.

572
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 3: I just had my bad outfit. That's it, and I

573
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,960
Speaker 3: enjoyed the show from top to bottom.

574
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:34,719
Speaker 1: Lost my mind.

575
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 2: Yes, me too. I almost got beat up behind a

576
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 2: new edition.

577
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 1: Wait wait, yep, we got to come.

578
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:46,240
Speaker 2: It was like I told you I was. I've known

579
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 2: the guy since I was like ten eleven years old,

580
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 2: and ride On magazine posted a picture of Ralph Trustman

581
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 2: kissing me on the cheek. So when I went back

582
00:30:56,040 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 2: to school when that magazine, that article came out, graders

583
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 2: wanted to beat me up. I was in the seventh

584
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 2: grade and the ninth graders.

585
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 1: Was gonna jump me. Listen, that's that's serious.

586
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 2: My mom had to pull me out of school.

587
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 1: Was your school six or twelve?

588
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 2: I know it was seventh to ninth middle of school.

589
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 1: Yeah.

590
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, so my mom literally had to pull me out

591
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 2: of school. Like the last couple of weeks I had

592
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 2: to do work there.

593
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:23,959
Speaker 1: Girls wasn't having it.

594
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 2: They were gonna be They were ready to beat me

595
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 2: up because of Ralph Chessman.

596
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 1: I almost tell them all the time, you might be

597
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 1: the least singer. You ain't round you.

598
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 4: It ain't Ralph though. They don't understand the power of Ralph. Ralph,

599
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:45,960
Speaker 4: Ralph kick this thing off. After Michael Jackson was Ralph was.

600
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 2: Wrong, Ralph flex that he wanted to be Ralph. He

601
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 2: had to ship the shag with the part on the side.

602
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 1: Ralph was is Dursday.

603
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 2: Yes, so I just had to share that with you.

604
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh that's great, that's great. You start naming so

605
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 1: many names at the beginning.

606
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 2: I know, I'm sorry.

607
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 1: It just went.

608
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 3: Crazy from off the top. Okay, I love your smilers out.

609
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 3: You're you're clearly on top.

610
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:17,479
Speaker 1: Of the world.

611
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 4: Now you're a world wide star. Now you're a world

612
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 4: wide star. I want to get into.

613
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 1: Like you you.

614
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 3: Personally at that time, because of course mom auntie every

615
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 3: you know you got you got a family union unit.

616
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 3: But do you say, okay, it's time for me to

617
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 3: get my own place, get my own moving around.

618
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 2: Was a woman now, Yeah, yeah, I so. My grandmother

619
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 2: was my road manager, my grandmother and my.

620
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 1: Grandmother grandma wasn't taking no ship, ain't nobody none of it.

621
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 1: Look out, look out.

622
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 2: I was so protected. Oh my my grandmother slept in

623
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 2: my same my room with me.

624
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, like yeah, but I love your smiles.

625
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 2: This is when I love your smiles out, Like, yeah.

626
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 1: Your mom's in a double they're not my grandmother youand

627
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 1: lock it up.

628
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 2: So yeah, they were very closed seven.

629
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 1: So it's about it's about time for us to go

630
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 1: to bed, don't you think.

631
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 2: So I had the success, but I didn't feel like

632
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 2: I didn't feel any different, and you know, I was

633
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 2: sheltered and I didn't feel.

634
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 1: You weren't you just you didn't get that that experience.

635
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 1: I was not wild out yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, did

636
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 1: you desire to?

637
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 2: No, I was the way I am now, I'm being

638
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 2: honest with you. I've been this way like kind of

639
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 2: like my whole life.

640
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 3: Didn't want to hit the club one time when you

641
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 3: was out of age, like and see what it was,

642
00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying.

643
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've can to a couple of clubs. No. Yeah,

644
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 2: I have a friend of mine who was who was

645
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 2: like my brother at the time, and we would sneak

646
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:12,360
Speaker 2: into night clubs and stuff like that. So I can't

647
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 2: say I'm like goodie two shoes. I've done some some

648
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:19,439
Speaker 2: some stuff, but you know, but but for the most part,

649
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:23,880
Speaker 2: I'm I'm a church girl. Like I grew up singing

650
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:26,400
Speaker 2: in church. My I used to sing in James Cleveland's

651
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:28,279
Speaker 2: choir when I was a kid, and I was the

652
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 2: only I was the only kid in his adult choir.

653
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, James, because I wouldn't allowed to listener and be

654
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 1: Rights was the soundtrack.

655
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I went to church and sing in the choir.

656
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 1: And you know, so.

657
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:52,239
Speaker 2: So whenever I did, like whenever I would veer to

658
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:55,319
Speaker 2: the left a little bit, God would always pull me

659
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 2: back over to the right, you know, because you know,

660
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 2: because I feared God, I never would go.

661
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 4: But so far so you weren't turning up at eighteen

662
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 4: with this smash international smash record.

663
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 1: Did you buy something crazy? Did you? Well?

664
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, put yourself.

665
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 1: Are you touching the money?

666
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, I buy myself a Mercedes. Oh yeah, get yes,

667
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 2: I bought a really nice car. And that's like the

668
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:24,719
Speaker 2: only thing I bought a nice car. I bought my Mercedes,

669
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:27,239
Speaker 2: and I kept that. The funny thing is, I don't

670
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 2: know if Flex told you this, but I'm frugal, like

671
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 2: I know how to save money and I hold on

672
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:35,359
Speaker 2: to things. So I bought that car in ninety two

673
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 2: or ninety one, ninety two when I met Flex. I

674
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:40,920
Speaker 2: met him in ninety nine. Why did I still have

675
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 2: that same car?

676
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 1: I was still driving that all the way to the

677
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 1: nine nine, two thousand you.

678
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:50,359
Speaker 2: Had to make me get rid of that car, same

679
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:55,840
Speaker 2: car to I would drive a car to the wheels

680
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 2: fall off. That's just how I got you.

681
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:03,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I don't keep cars that love. But up

682
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:09,319
Speaker 1: my car now three years anybody who complimented my car,

683
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 1: be like, it's what everything got? Money?

684
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 2: Take it that funny?

685
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 1: What kind of bands was it?

686
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 2: It was gosh, what's the name of it? It was great.

687
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:27,279
Speaker 2: It was a three hundred three. That's three hundred.

688
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 1: Yeah for ten years.

689
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 2: Yep, I had it for ten years.

690
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 3: You say, one hundred and sixty thousand miles probably saw

691
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 3: you saw a couple of remodels.

692
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 2: I like that.

693
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:45,719
Speaker 1: I like not having a car. No, yeah, yeah, it's so.

694
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 2: Yeah.

695
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 1: And do you move out you're still with the family

696
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 1: at this point.

697
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 2: Yes, you're still still at home with the family. And

698
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:56,279
Speaker 2: then in Flex and I met in ninety nine. Uh,

699
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 2: and we got married in two thousand.

700
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 1: Oh, y'all went right to it.

701
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 2: Oh we dated three months and then he asked me

702
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 2: to marry him.

703
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh yeah, he knew what was going on.

704
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 2: And then four months later we got we were married

705
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 2: and it's been twenty four years.

706
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 1: Oh he knew. Yeah, So it was like, shout out

707
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 1: the Flex, shout off the Flex. But you hadn't moved

708
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 1: out from your family until then, all right, you had

709
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 1: moved out.

710
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 2: No, I moved out, and then I moved out for

711
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 2: a minute, and then I moved back in. So so

712
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:30,840
Speaker 2: in the in the earlier nineties, I did get engaged

713
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 2: to another guy to guy and it didn't work out,

714
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:37,840
Speaker 2: and I called myself being grown, and you know, I

715
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:40,400
Speaker 2: moved out of my mom's house. And then after that

716
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:44,359
Speaker 2: relationship ended, I moved back to my mom's house until

717
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 2: I'm at Flex.

718
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:48,879
Speaker 1: But let me get back in this nest. Yeah over here,

719
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:58,319
Speaker 1: well in the street. That's crazy. So Flex just you know, yeah,

720
00:37:58,400 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 1: he wasn't gonna let the smile pass him by.

721
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 2: No, And it's crazy because I was he moved into

722
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:07,320
Speaker 2: my apartment building and I was getting off the elevator

723
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 2: and he was getting on the elevator moving his furniture.

724
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 2: And I was on my way to Lauren Hill's concert.

725
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 2: And he said Shane, and I said Flex. And I

726
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:17,719
Speaker 2: knew of him, and he knew of me, because you know,

727
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 2: he's an actor. I sing, and I said, you live here.

728
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 2: He said, I'm moving in today. Let me get your number,

729
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 2: and I said, okay, I said, let me go get

730
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 2: a pin. I may go upstairs and get a pin.

731
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 2: I went upstairs. By the time I got back downstairs,

732
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 2: he was gone. Because it took me a minute deep,

733
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 2: it took a minute gets back. And so two weeks

734
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 2: later we read to each other by the elevator and

735
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:41,800
Speaker 2: then he said, okay, I'm not gonna let you go

736
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:44,959
Speaker 2: without geting your number. We exchanged numbers and we really

737
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:49,279
Speaker 2: started off as like really good friends. Like I didn't

738
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 2: think he was going to be my husband, but I

739
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 2: want to say this. A friend of mine in ninety

740
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 2: one did a pilot with him, did a TV show pilot,

741
00:38:57,239 --> 00:39:00,160
Speaker 2: and he called me that day and said, I just

742
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:03,719
Speaker 2: met your husband, and I said he said, Flex, he's

743
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 2: going to be your husband. And I was like, oh no,

744
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:08,360
Speaker 2: I don't even know him. He gonna be my husband.

745
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:11,320
Speaker 2: Then in ninety nine he moved into my apartment building

746
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:14,360
Speaker 2: and it happened.

747
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 1: That's wild. Yes, that's wild, it's ye. Did you invite

748
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 1: the homie to the wedding? Oh yeah, what, yeah, it

749
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:30,280
Speaker 1: was this in your mind when you met Flex.

750
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:32,800
Speaker 2: I forgot about it because it wasn't ninety one. So

751
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:35,759
Speaker 2: I wasn't even paying any attention till I and I

752
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:37,760
Speaker 2: told my friend, I said, guess who lives in my building?

753
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:41,239
Speaker 2: He said Flex And I was like, but I still

754
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:43,800
Speaker 2: didn't think nothing of it. I still it's crazy. I

755
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:45,400
Speaker 2: still didn't think, Okay, this is going to be this

756
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 2: is the one, And then really.

757
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 1: Left him at the elevator for thirty minutes, right, I.

758
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:55,400
Speaker 2: Mean he would come to my apartment and I have

759
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 2: rollers in my hair, flannel pajamas, like I was just like, oh,

760
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 2: he's the homie, like right, you know. And when he

761
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 2: started telling me like how much he loved God and

762
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 2: and he was celibate, I was celibate, and yeah, I

763
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:14,400
Speaker 2: loved it. And then I started learning more about him

764
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:18,800
Speaker 2: and I'm like, okay, okay. And then I went on

765
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:21,239
Speaker 2: tour with th Sink and I opened up for in

766
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 2: Sync in ninety Was that ninety nine? Ninety nine? I

767
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 2: opened up for Sink?

768
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 1: And describe that working with open up for describe opening

769
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 1: up for in Sync? Because I went to that concert.

770
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 2: That was such I really did you see me on

771
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:39,799
Speaker 2: the ship? Was I there?

772
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:44,799
Speaker 1: I'm gonna let you tell you no, it was whole.

773
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:49,239
Speaker 2: That's so crazy. Okay. So I had the time of

774
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 2: my life within Sync. Justin Timberlake loved my song yesterday, uh,

775
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 2: to the point where he said, can I sing it

776
00:40:57,600 --> 00:40:59,320
Speaker 2: with you? On stage? Can I sing it with you?

777
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 2: And I was like yeah. And then on my last show,

778
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 2: Justin got up on stage and we turned it into

779
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:09,440
Speaker 2: a duet and we performed my song Yesterday. So that

780
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 2: was that was really cool. And the guys they treated

781
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 2: me so good on on tour. They were really nice

782
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 2: to me, and it was it was a great time.

783
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:22,799
Speaker 4: So absolutely came to that tour you did, because it's

784
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:27,440
Speaker 4: like when I first came back to LA as an adult.

785
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 4: And but before that, we had written a song for you.

786
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 4: It was called so Hard to Say, So Hard to

787
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:42,320
Speaker 4: Say Goodbye? What my brother and myself and Damon Thomas. Yes,

788
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:47,840
Speaker 4: I wrote that record Whoa, which the song ended up

789
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:51,280
Speaker 4: going to Coco from s WV Wow, But we wrote

790
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 4: it for you. It was your song first.

791
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 2: That's so and that's crazy. It's another song that I'll

792
00:41:57,200 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 2: tell you about that.

793
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 4: But and then after that, I ended up writing for

794
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:05,439
Speaker 4: InSync and up writing for in Sync, getting cool with Justin,

795
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:07,320
Speaker 4: I ended up writing Celebrity for InSync.

796
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 1: Wow.

797
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:10,840
Speaker 4: So it was crazy for me to come to the

798
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:14,720
Speaker 4: show because I always like, I always remembered your version.

799
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 4: It's so hard to say it, but I'm like, oh man,

800
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 4: Nice had the record. Then they went here, you know,

801
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:22,720
Speaker 4: just label in politics and house.

802
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:24,399
Speaker 2: Yeah that happens a lot.

803
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, songs get held up here and then it's like

804
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 1: are you using that record?

805
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:29,399
Speaker 2: Yeah?

806
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:30,400
Speaker 1: You know that.

807
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 4: Then they're not gonna use it, and then it goes

808
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:35,759
Speaker 4: to another artist and that whole thing. So for me,

809
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 4: like seeing you on that tour, I was like, damn,

810
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 4: this is crazy, like because my INSNC record hadn't come

811
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 4: out yet, but I'm just watching it.

812
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 1: I'm just like, damn, say she's on this tour and

813
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 1: I love Chanice. I was a kid and seeing it whole,

814
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:51,759
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like just how it all

815
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:55,719
Speaker 1: played out, it was just it was a world world tour, right.

816
00:42:56,440 --> 00:43:00,840
Speaker 2: Well, I just did the States because the lab I

817
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:02,840
Speaker 2: can't remember how many they have to be like sixty.

818
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:04,839
Speaker 2: I had had a lot of dates, but I can't

819
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:08,279
Speaker 2: remember how many. But the label they didn't want. The

820
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 2: guys wanted me to stay on the tour, but the

821
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:12,279
Speaker 2: label had to pay for like the tour bus and

822
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 2: all that stuff and they didn't want to continue to

823
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:16,800
Speaker 2: pay for the tour support. Yeah, I didn't get the

824
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:19,399
Speaker 2: tour support, so I could have stayed on the tour,

825
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:21,720
Speaker 2: but the label didn't want to pay to take.

826
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 4: An artist off of in Syncs tour during those people, Yeah,

827
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 4: we were doing huge arenas at the height of a group. Yes,

828
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:33,880
Speaker 4: you got your artists on that tour, Like.

829
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 1: You take care because when you double back with another record,

830
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:38,760
Speaker 1: all those fans that you've.

831
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:40,719
Speaker 2: I'm like, do you know men people per night, I'm

832
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:42,839
Speaker 2: singing in front of like and putting you in front

833
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 2: of a lot of people that were new for you,

834
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 2: that were that were there were new fans for you.

835
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:51,280
Speaker 1: You you gaining new fans R and b artists.

836
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 2: I can't on a.

837
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 1: Super pop tour with the biggest pop group at the.

838
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 2: Time that the day were huge. Yeah, I really serve.

839
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:02,720
Speaker 2: So many things happens in my career and I still

840
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:04,800
Speaker 2: people ask me all the time, like, what happened with

841
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 2: this album? Why did this happen? Why? I'm like, I

842
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:10,320
Speaker 2: don't even know, you know, I can't even answer that

843
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:12,879
Speaker 2: because I thought that was ridiculous. I should have stayed

844
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:14,799
Speaker 2: on that tour and the guys wanted me on the tour.

845
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:20,360
Speaker 2: But yeah, you know, you know, like you said, politic politics.

846
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 4: Politics, So it's so much more. It's so much more

847
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 4: than than the general public knows.

848
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 1: So so what is the energy going? So now you've

849
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:39,920
Speaker 1: you've you've done this, you've done the tour and all

850
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:42,320
Speaker 1: these things, So what's what's the energy now with you

851
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:44,959
Speaker 1: in the label? And in terms of what they're saying,

852
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:46,880
Speaker 1: is next you're.

853
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:48,360
Speaker 2: Talking about at the time, back then.

854
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 1: You can speak on the label if you want to.

855
00:44:52,239 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 2: I won't say that, okay. So yeah, after after the tour,

856
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:08,880
Speaker 2: I met Flex, and then Flex and I got married.

857
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 2: And right after we got married, like we that same

858
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 2: year we got I got pregnant. So I sat with

859
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:18,760
Speaker 2: the label at the time, I was like five months pregnant,

860
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 2: and we were talking about working on the next album.

861
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 2: So I was super excited, like, yeah, I can't wait

862
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 2: to get back in the studio and record and my

863
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 2: stomach's like out to hear and so the meeting went well.

864
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 2: But then after my meeting they I got a phone

865
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 2: call and they said we're just going to let you

866
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:38,279
Speaker 2: be a mom for a while. And I was like,

867
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 2: but nobody's going to see me pregnant, I only have

868
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 2: four more months to go. We could just start recording.

869
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 2: Nobody's going to see me pregnant. And then after that

870
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 2: phone call, I got another phone call said that we're

871
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 2: just gonna we think you're really talented, but we're just

872
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 2: going to let you go. And so I lost my

873
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:58,839
Speaker 2: record deal while I was pregnant, while you're pregnant. That's

874
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:02,440
Speaker 2: just that's how it happens. I was. I don't understand,

875
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:06,279
Speaker 2: and I'm telling you, I'd always try to treat people,

876
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 2: you know, to be nice to people. I've always tried

877
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 2: not to be you know, difficult or anything like that.

878
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:18,799
Speaker 2: So I never understood why, like like why, I still

879
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 2: don't know. To be honest, I don't know.

880
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 4: And the wildest part about it, too, is that I

881
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 4: actually know of artists, female artists who have hit their pregnancies.

882
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 2: Right, imagine how many artists have had abortions because because

883
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:36,880
Speaker 2: of that. Yeah, you know, but now the times are different,

884
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 2: Like now women are on covers of magazines now and

885
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 2: it's accepted now. But back in the late nineties and

886
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:47,879
Speaker 2: early two thousands, the labels looked at you like, Okay,

887
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 2: you're done. I guess I don't really think that, you know,

888
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 2: men aren't going to find you attractive anymore, or I

889
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:55,360
Speaker 2: don't know, I don't know what.

890
00:46:56,040 --> 00:47:01,439
Speaker 1: There was a bunch of weird uh things in place

891
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 1: back then that you couldn't be in order to be

892
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 1: this that we're just religious.

893
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 2: They said, okay, don't mention the interview that you got

894
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 2: a boyfriend, or like.

895
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 1: In my career there was like you don't say you're married, right, because.

896
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 2: Then you'll lose all your girls, women fans.

897
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 1: Women love you. Man, you are a fantasy. He tells

898
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:29,560
Speaker 1: how I said, you are a fantasy.

899
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 4: Bro Like that should be, that should be. All of

900
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:34,360
Speaker 4: those things should be up to the artists. If you

901
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:37,880
Speaker 4: want to publicize whatever you want to publicize, be up

902
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 4: to you.

903
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 2: I mean, now you thank god it's changed has changed.

904
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:44,320
Speaker 2: But back then it what they was the case. It

905
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:44,920
Speaker 2: wasn't the case.

906
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:48,919
Speaker 3: They just they just had a thing that whatever their

907
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:53,400
Speaker 3: analytic was, it told them that X, Y and Z

908
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 3: has to be this in order for it to be that, you.

909
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:58,239
Speaker 1: Know what I mean? And the because they hadn't seen

910
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 1: any other way seen it, Yeah, has it? So they

911
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:03,279
Speaker 1: were going to run that formula until it ran out.

912
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I got That was really a tough time

913
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 2: for me because, like I told you, I signed when

914
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 2: I was eleven years old. I always had record deals

915
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:14,719
Speaker 2: and I've always since I was a kid, and so

916
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:18,239
Speaker 2: when that was snatched away from me, I kind of like,

917
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:21,319
Speaker 2: you know, went into depression. And you know, I had

918
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 2: a new baby, and I was happy that I had

919
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:24,719
Speaker 2: a new baby, but at the same time, I was

920
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:28,239
Speaker 2: like miserable because I couldn't, like, you know, do what

921
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 2: I love and I couldn't sing. And so then in

922
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 2: like two thousand and six, I said, I used to

923
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 2: get on YouTube all the time, and I had this

924
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 2: one fan that would post videos about me and just

925
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 2: like really like say great things about me. And I said,

926
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:46,319
Speaker 2: you know what, if the fans want to still hear

927
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:49,360
Speaker 2: me sing, why am I waiting on a laby? Why

928
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 2: am I trying to, you know, wait on a label.

929
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 2: Let me just put out my own album and deal

930
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 2: with my fans directly. And that's when I did. In

931
00:48:57,520 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 2: two thousand and six, I put out an independent project

932
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 2: and I worked with a guy named Richard Nash. I

933
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 2: don't know if you know Richard Nash and his wife

934
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:11,799
Speaker 2: Feita and uh and Mike Mike Kelly. We put out

935
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 2: an printed album called every Woman's Dreams, and it was

936
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:19,320
Speaker 2: very independent, but we did really well for it to

937
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 2: be as independent as it was. We did really good

938
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:22,440
Speaker 2: with that.

939
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 4: So, and were you during this time, from like two

940
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:29,400
Speaker 4: thousand and one to two thousand and six, are you

941
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:32,279
Speaker 4: performing still? I was still kind of shut everything down.

942
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 2: No. I was still doing the shows here and there.

943
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 2: You know, I just didn't have a record deal, but

944
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:39,759
Speaker 2: I was still kind of you know, still singing, still

945
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:42,879
Speaker 2: singing to church, still doing shows. Yeah.

946
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 1: So, but you were trying to figure out the record

947
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:46,279
Speaker 1: and I wanted to.

948
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:47,719
Speaker 2: Get back on the recording side.

949
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 1: Yeah.

950
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I did that and we had to spend

951
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:54,440
Speaker 2: money out of our own pockets. So we know, whenever

952
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 2: I had to travel or whatever, I was funding everything.

953
00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:00,399
Speaker 2: So it was really hard. So we couldn't really push

954
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:03,480
Speaker 2: it as hard as we wanted to because the funds

955
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:04,919
Speaker 2: just wasn't. It just wasn't.

956
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 4: They don't come back as fast they go out right. No,

957
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:11,560
Speaker 4: it's just people they don't know how this thing works.

958
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:12,600
Speaker 1: Of like I had.

959
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I had to pay all the producers, I had

960
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 2: to pay for travel, I had to pay for my videos,

961
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:22,640
Speaker 2: my photo shoots all of that, so I just we

962
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:25,439
Speaker 2: couldn't afford it. And then I know, we talked about

963
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:29,920
Speaker 2: this several times publicly, but then our money started running out.

964
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:35,040
Speaker 2: You know, we ended up losing our house. We lost everything,

965
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:40,239
Speaker 2: like Flex's show one on one ended, and then at

966
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:43,680
Speaker 2: that time, it was such an awful time. We lost

967
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:46,279
Speaker 2: our cars, we lost our house, we lost everything. So

968
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:51,560
Speaker 2: we ended up pretty much homeless. And so we were

969
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:55,759
Speaker 2: in a hotel and Martin Lawrence and his ex wife

970
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:58,799
Speaker 2: Shamika Uh, they said, we want to take you guys

971
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:01,279
Speaker 2: out to dinner, and I was like okay. So we

972
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:04,520
Speaker 2: went out to dinner and they knew that we lost

973
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 2: our house and said get you a place. We don't

974
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:11,320
Speaker 2: want you in a hotel, like, get you a place.

975
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 2: So they're really my guard like angels, like you know.

976
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:18,759
Speaker 2: So I hate to talk about that because I said,

977
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:20,480
Speaker 2: I will never talk about this again because we told

978
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:21,880
Speaker 2: it on our we had a reality show and we

979
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:24,840
Speaker 2: talked about in the reality show. But that's just like

980
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 2: that was like one of the hardest times in my life.

981
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 2: But God put the you know, angels in my life

982
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:33,440
Speaker 2: that helped me.

983
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:37,719
Speaker 1: No, and we have to we have to be there

984
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:41,120
Speaker 1: for each other in this business because I think people

985
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:44,000
Speaker 1: see it on the outside.

986
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:46,759
Speaker 4: I've spoken about them multiple times during this interview of

987
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:49,840
Speaker 4: how people perceive things and how they think things go

988
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:53,279
Speaker 4: more than what the realities are. The realities are. We're

989
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 4: all human, yeah, we all. This is a this is

990
00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 4: a passion, but it's also a job exactly. Sometimes we

991
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:04,120
Speaker 4: lose jobs, you know what I mean. And it's great

992
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:06,960
Speaker 4: when you've made the right relationships that someone will help

993
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:09,000
Speaker 4: you either get another job, help you get on your

994
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:11,320
Speaker 4: feet till you get that another job. Like this is

995
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:15,399
Speaker 4: real life, and I think when people see it through

996
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:18,880
Speaker 4: a lens, it doesn't seem real to them. It's like, oh,

997
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 4: you're fine and everything is fine and everything, and yes

998
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:26,279
Speaker 4: you do have an opportunity to make more than some

999
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:30,400
Speaker 4: others may, but you also got to pay more taxes

1000
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 4: and when you take on more things, there's more people

1001
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 4: and overhead. And like you said, you decided to have

1002
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:39,120
Speaker 4: true independence at this point.

1003
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:47,200
Speaker 1: Flights, hotels, everything, every clear a sample yeah whatever these

1004
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:48,400
Speaker 1: things are, you know what I mean.

1005
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:52,320
Speaker 4: So you know, I just and we also said this

1006
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:55,719
Speaker 4: to flex, like we just appreciate the honesty and the

1007
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:58,960
Speaker 4: openness that your family has had to tell what this

1008
00:52:59,239 --> 00:52:59,880
Speaker 4: thing really is.

1009
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:02,040
Speaker 1: We I mean me and me and him.

1010
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:03,520
Speaker 4: We joke a lot about a lot of stuff, but

1011
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:07,359
Speaker 4: same experiences at the time, you know what I mean.

1012
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:10,400
Speaker 4: You know, we talk about him and I could never

1013
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:10,960
Speaker 4: keep a car.

1014
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:13,520
Speaker 1: He was coming to get it.

1015
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:21,120
Speaker 3: He was trying to hide them cars. I wuld have

1016
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:26,680
Speaker 3: lost two houses. I don't know how many cars. Please,

1017
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:33,880
Speaker 3: But it's just somehow or for some reason, it's just

1018
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:36,560
Speaker 3: par for this course. It's just what this thing, This

1019
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:41,279
Speaker 3: thing takes all of you, a lot of you, and

1020
00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:47,880
Speaker 3: and depending on you know, how strong you are, what

1021
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:53,280
Speaker 3: you're or what you're rooted in. We're able to figure

1022
00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:55,800
Speaker 3: it out and sit here in this room today and

1023
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:57,719
Speaker 3: talk about it with a smile on our face.

1024
00:53:57,840 --> 00:54:01,239
Speaker 2: That's you know, made it through the stone. I'm not where.

1025
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:04,480
Speaker 2: I mean, things are much better, much better than it was.

1026
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:07,120
Speaker 2: You know, we made it through the storm. Well. We

1027
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:12,480
Speaker 2: we actually Pitchedory the idea for a reality show to own.

1028
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:15,360
Speaker 2: We had one meeting. We didn't even get out of

1029
00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:18,120
Speaker 2: the building and they wanted to show. They picked it

1030
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:22,040
Speaker 2: up like immediately, and so you know that helped us,

1031
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:25,480
Speaker 2: you know, get back on our feed again. And so

1032
00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:28,200
Speaker 2: you know, Flex is doing going out doing stand up

1033
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 2: and I'm you know, I'm still doing a lot of touring,

1034
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:35,200
Speaker 2: so things as you should definitely picking up.

1035
00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:37,920
Speaker 4: So how is it for you though, as you know,

1036
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:41,719
Speaker 4: going and doing one side of the business as a

1037
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:46,080
Speaker 4: recording artist and then being a reality TV star too?

1038
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:49,080
Speaker 1: Though now like because now people people in your business.

1039
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:51,239
Speaker 4: First thing in your business as an artist, but now

1040
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:53,279
Speaker 4: they really in your business because you didn't give them

1041
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:54,040
Speaker 4: some more information.

1042
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:54,600
Speaker 1: How is that?

1043
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:56,960
Speaker 2: I've always been an open book, you know, so it

1044
00:54:57,040 --> 00:55:00,160
Speaker 2: didn't bother me. It was actually my idea to do

1045
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:06,239
Speaker 2: a show. I always I love reality TV. Watch I

1046
00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:12,320
Speaker 2: watched Girls, I watched I watched all of those. I

1047
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:25,040
Speaker 2: watched the Housewives, subscriptions, Ship, I got all that, so yeah,

1048
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:26,360
Speaker 2: I watched everything.

1049
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:34,280
Speaker 1: Everybody name shout.

1050
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:37,480
Speaker 2: So so yes, I love all the shows. So I

1051
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:40,160
Speaker 2: asked Flex before that happened to us with the house

1052
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:42,200
Speaker 2: and all that. I told Flex, I say, let's do

1053
00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:43,799
Speaker 2: a reality show. And he was like, no, I don't

1054
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:45,239
Speaker 2: want to do a reality show because people are not

1055
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:47,800
Speaker 2: going to take me serious as an actor anymore. Like

1056
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:49,840
Speaker 2: he really thought he wouldn't be able to act if

1057
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:53,240
Speaker 2: we did reality show. So then when all that stuff

1058
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:57,200
Speaker 2: went on with the with the house and the cards

1059
00:55:57,200 --> 00:55:59,120
Speaker 2: and all that, he said, you know what, we have

1060
00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:00,920
Speaker 2: a story to tell. He said, now I feel like

1061
00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:03,440
Speaker 2: this is the time because you know, we have a story.

1062
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 2: He didn't want to just do something just to do

1063
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:08,160
Speaker 2: it and make up fights and and all that stuff.

1064
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:11,040
Speaker 2: So he's like, Okay, well now I think this is

1065
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:13,799
Speaker 2: the right time. So that's when he decided, Okay, let's

1066
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:15,919
Speaker 2: do it. And we did it, and we had three

1067
00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:20,440
Speaker 2: great seasons. Our ratings were, you know, really good and

1068
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:24,680
Speaker 2: like once again politics. You know, I think we could

1069
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:28,200
Speaker 2: have definitely had way more seasons, but it was. It

1070
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:28,839
Speaker 2: was a good run.

1071
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:30,239
Speaker 1: You're trying to bring it back flex and.

1072
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:35,000
Speaker 2: It's like, no, I'm not doing that again. Like he

1073
00:56:35,160 --> 00:56:37,239
Speaker 2: doesn't want to do it again. I don't know, it

1074
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:40,600
Speaker 2: depends on it depends, it depends I would do it again.

1075
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:41,640
Speaker 1: So did you do you? Guys?

1076
00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:44,680
Speaker 4: Did do like the like the other shows though, you

1077
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:47,799
Speaker 4: know how they do the like Couples Island after they

1078
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:49,600
Speaker 4: do their your reality show.

1079
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:51,640
Speaker 2: But then you go and yeah, we've never done those,

1080
00:56:51,719 --> 00:56:53,920
Speaker 2: like those couple retreats and stuff like that.

1081
00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:56,080
Speaker 1: Okay, did you do it?

1082
00:56:56,960 --> 00:56:58,279
Speaker 2: Did you do it now?

1083
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:01,480
Speaker 1: Flex, We got we got it almost did it. I

1084
00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:03,959
Speaker 1: was like, this man, you we had one more million

1085
00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:12,440
Speaker 1: of that I might get on that island. One more million.

1086
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:16,960
Speaker 1: And you got me. That's dope. That's dope.

1087
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:19,680
Speaker 3: How are you feeling now because you got listen you

1088
00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:22,440
Speaker 3: I told I told I told Flex this too, and

1089
00:57:22,520 --> 00:57:26,360
Speaker 3: I said something about seeing you two together is like

1090
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:27,760
Speaker 3: really cool.

1091
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:33,040
Speaker 1: Thank you, Like it's like an energy like no other.

1092
00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:36,280
Speaker 3: And and and we were going through the progressions of

1093
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:38,880
Speaker 3: his careers were gone through the progressions of your career.

1094
00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:42,320
Speaker 3: It's like he said, he told us that, you know,

1095
00:57:43,720 --> 00:57:46,960
Speaker 3: a couple was thinking about picking their lives, taking their

1096
00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:51,440
Speaker 3: lives until they saw your show and they saw your

1097
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:55,880
Speaker 3: journey and that kept them from from hurting the very

1098
00:57:55,920 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 3: bad hurt themselves. And I'm like, it's crazy how all

1099
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:02,640
Speaker 3: of you know, like as talented as we are and

1100
00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:06,880
Speaker 3: as many gifts as we have, you know, we find

1101
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:11,280
Speaker 3: this underlining purpose or maybe this true purpose of while

1102
00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:14,640
Speaker 3: we're here, and that's to really help somebody else.

1103
00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:16,720
Speaker 1: Yeah with this thing.

1104
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:21,160
Speaker 2: Yes, So yeah, I was at church one day and

1105
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:22,960
Speaker 2: this lady cried on my shoulder and she told me

1106
00:58:23,160 --> 00:58:26,560
Speaker 2: that she was her and her husband couldn't killed themselves

1107
00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:30,360
Speaker 2: because they had lost everything, but our show saved their lives.

1108
00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:33,439
Speaker 2: And that's when it all clicked in my head. I said,

1109
00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:35,840
Speaker 2: that was you know, we went through that so that

1110
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:39,080
Speaker 2: we can, you know, help others. And I'm glad we

1111
00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:42,040
Speaker 2: did the show. But I ain't gonna lie. In the beginning,

1112
00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:45,760
Speaker 2: when they started playing the promo, I made a statement

1113
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:48,760
Speaker 2: and I said, it's hard being a broke celebrity. And

1114
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:51,080
Speaker 2: I said that, and that's the thing they kept playing

1115
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:53,280
Speaker 2: over and over again, and then I got scared.

1116
00:58:53,320 --> 00:58:54,600
Speaker 1: I was like, why did I say that.

1117
00:58:54,760 --> 00:58:57,600
Speaker 2: That's so embarrassing, Like I was in the beginning, I

1118
00:58:57,760 --> 00:59:00,760
Speaker 2: was like really nervous and embarrassed. And and then after

1119
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:03,440
Speaker 2: I when I when I heard that woman's story and

1120
00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:07,360
Speaker 2: I saw how it was affecting people's lives, and I said, okay, lord, okay,

1121
00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:09,560
Speaker 2: then you know, I felt good about it. I'm like,

1122
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:10,640
Speaker 2: I'm glad we did that.

1123
00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:19,000
Speaker 3: It's not a bad line. The line is so factual

1124
00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:21,440
Speaker 3: all across the board.

1125
00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:26,640
Speaker 1: More than people want to admit to not get fooled

1126
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:27,720
Speaker 1: by the gram.

1127
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:31,800
Speaker 2: That's true. You can make your life look so fly

1128
00:59:32,080 --> 00:59:32,720
Speaker 2: on Instagram.

1129
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:37,280
Speaker 1: Man, these celebrities they're gonna post a meal, right, but

1130
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:41,040
Speaker 1: they're gonna post chopping up that check. Who had the chicken? Right?

1131
00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:49,040
Speaker 1: Who had gratuit gratity? Who had graduate gray, who had gratuy?

1132
00:59:49,080 --> 00:59:50,880
Speaker 1: I ain't had no, I ain't have grady. I don't

1133
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:51,880
Speaker 1: even know. I don't even know.

1134
00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:53,120
Speaker 2: That's real.

1135
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:59,240
Speaker 3: It's real, it's not sweet, and that type of transparency

1136
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:05,000
Speaker 3: use and you don't have to write, but it goes

1137
01:00:05,120 --> 01:00:09,600
Speaker 3: such a long way for people who inspire to be

1138
01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:16,200
Speaker 3: like you because they like when it's when, it's when

1139
01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:19,000
Speaker 3: it's when, when when it's tied is high, when when

1140
01:00:19,040 --> 01:00:20,840
Speaker 3: you know when the waves is high and the surfing

1141
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:26,160
Speaker 3: is good, the swear yeah, we end. But what happens

1142
01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:31,600
Speaker 3: when it is not? What happens when the dream has.

1143
01:00:31,520 --> 01:00:32,040
Speaker 4: To now.

1144
01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:36,560
Speaker 1: Become a different type of reality.

1145
01:00:38,120 --> 01:00:42,760
Speaker 3: Right, You've had deals since you was eleven. First time

1146
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:47,320
Speaker 3: in your life you don't have a record deal, you

1147
01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:50,760
Speaker 3: know what I mean? And so they're looking to you

1148
01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:53,880
Speaker 3: to say, well, how do I get out of that?

1149
01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:59,720
Speaker 1: What do I do to to to move on? And

1150
01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:03,040
Speaker 1: can tinue? Where do I find value in myself?

1151
01:01:03,680 --> 01:01:06,560
Speaker 2: Because you have to love yourself and have other things

1152
01:01:06,560 --> 01:01:08,480
Speaker 2: that you're interested outside.

1153
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:10,240
Speaker 1: Of that if we weren't taught ancillary.

1154
01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:13,040
Speaker 2: That's true if you put all if you just focus

1155
01:01:13,120 --> 01:01:14,600
Speaker 2: on I want to. I want to, you know, do

1156
01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:16,360
Speaker 2: music and music and music, and I want to be

1157
01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:18,560
Speaker 2: famous and I want to. And you don't have anything

1158
01:01:18,600 --> 01:01:20,720
Speaker 2: else that you you love, and you don't have a

1159
01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:23,760
Speaker 2: loving family or just like other things to turn to,

1160
01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:28,720
Speaker 2: Like you can literally lose your mind, you know, when

1161
01:01:28,720 --> 01:01:29,280
Speaker 2: it's taken away.

1162
01:01:29,560 --> 01:01:31,480
Speaker 4: And that's why it's so great to have you here

1163
01:01:32,080 --> 01:01:36,000
Speaker 4: and to have your husband here to see that, to

1164
01:01:36,080 --> 01:01:38,320
Speaker 4: see that you haven't lost your mind in this thing,

1165
01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:42,680
Speaker 4: you know, and that you still just and he mentioned

1166
01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:44,080
Speaker 4: this a couple of times.

1167
01:01:44,760 --> 01:01:49,120
Speaker 1: Just the energy, the energy that you both have together.

1168
01:01:49,040 --> 01:01:52,640
Speaker 4: Separately, like you know, like I just randomly ran into

1169
01:01:52,720 --> 01:01:54,640
Speaker 4: them on the air airplane, airplane.

1170
01:01:54,640 --> 01:01:55,280
Speaker 1: It's just my guy.

1171
01:01:56,680 --> 01:01:58,640
Speaker 4: I think that's early morning too, you know when people

1172
01:01:58,640 --> 01:02:00,120
Speaker 4: don't even be speaking to each other early.

1173
01:02:02,280 --> 01:02:06,600
Speaker 1: Hell, we need you and Johnny's on the box, you

1174
01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:09,560
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Like, I'm so glad because that

1175
01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:12,760
Speaker 1: is just what you've the aura of both of you

1176
01:02:12,880 --> 01:02:16,760
Speaker 1: that you've always given everybody you thank you.

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01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:17,440
Speaker 2: I appreciate it.

1178
01:02:17,440 --> 01:02:18,120
Speaker 1: I've never heard.

1179
01:02:17,960 --> 01:02:21,360
Speaker 4: Anybody say they don't like next or shans never ever

1180
01:02:21,560 --> 01:02:27,120
Speaker 4: thank you ever, ever ever thank you, and that is

1181
01:02:27,440 --> 01:02:28,960
Speaker 4: that is to be celebrated.

1182
01:02:29,160 --> 01:02:29,400
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1183
01:02:30,320 --> 01:02:33,280
Speaker 2: Well, I appreciate you guys thinking of us absolutely.

1184
01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:34,760
Speaker 3: I want I want to touch you one more thing

1185
01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:37,760
Speaker 3: as we talk about you, your strength and your perseverance

1186
01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:43,080
Speaker 3: and and and and life and its reality. You are

1187
01:02:43,480 --> 01:02:44,200
Speaker 3: a survivor.

1188
01:02:44,600 --> 01:02:52,120
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah wow yeah. This year. Well, in

1189
01:02:52,320 --> 01:02:55,840
Speaker 2: about eight years ago, I had a I did a

1190
01:02:55,920 --> 01:02:59,080
Speaker 2: mammogram and an ultrasound on my breast and they thought

1191
01:02:59,120 --> 01:03:03,280
Speaker 2: they saw something and so they said, we want you

1192
01:03:03,360 --> 01:03:05,640
Speaker 2: to go to I think it was USC to do

1193
01:03:05,720 --> 01:03:08,640
Speaker 2: a biopsy because they have a USC hospital.

1194
01:03:09,160 --> 01:03:10,240
Speaker 1: So I went and.

1195
01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:17,600
Speaker 2: The guy, the doctor there, said why are we doing

1196
01:03:17,600 --> 01:03:19,480
Speaker 2: a biopsy on something that I don't see? Because he

1197
01:03:19,560 --> 01:03:21,520
Speaker 2: ran his own test and he said, everything looks clear.

1198
01:03:21,600 --> 01:03:25,080
Speaker 2: You're fine. But that moment freaked me out so much

1199
01:03:25,240 --> 01:03:27,680
Speaker 2: that I never went back again, and so I didn't

1200
01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:31,560
Speaker 2: get I wasn't going every year to get my mammogrounds. Yeah,

1201
01:03:31,600 --> 01:03:34,800
Speaker 2: because I was terrified. I was scared. So I had

1202
01:03:34,840 --> 01:03:38,200
Speaker 2: this lump in my breast and I thought it was

1203
01:03:38,240 --> 01:03:40,080
Speaker 2: assists because I always get cyst in my breast. It

1204
01:03:40,160 --> 01:03:42,439
Speaker 2: was like normal for me to have cyst, but cists

1205
01:03:42,480 --> 01:03:45,440
Speaker 2: are benign and you don't really worry about that. So

1206
01:03:46,200 --> 01:03:48,680
Speaker 2: I felt this lump, but normally assists they come and

1207
01:03:48,760 --> 01:03:51,880
Speaker 2: go with this lump. Didn't. It just stayed and I

1208
01:03:52,040 --> 01:03:55,160
Speaker 2: was like, okay, let me just get this checked. And

1209
01:03:55,280 --> 01:03:59,840
Speaker 2: I went and they said, well, you have DCIS, which

1210
01:03:59,880 --> 01:04:04,520
Speaker 2: is is cancer in the milk ducks. And they said,

1211
01:04:04,520 --> 01:04:06,160
Speaker 2: if you're going to catch anything, that's the best thing

1212
01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:10,120
Speaker 2: to catch because it hadn't spread into my breast tissue.

1213
01:04:10,680 --> 01:04:15,200
Speaker 2: So I was like, oh, okay. So when I did

1214
01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:17,080
Speaker 2: the surgery, they said, we want to take your breast.

1215
01:04:17,560 --> 01:04:21,080
Speaker 2: We want to take your breast because I had so

1216
01:04:21,240 --> 01:04:22,920
Speaker 2: much of it in my milk ducks. It would have

1217
01:04:23,320 --> 01:04:26,480
Speaker 2: if they would have taken half of my breast that

1218
01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:30,080
Speaker 2: it would it would I would have half of a breast.

1219
01:04:30,160 --> 01:04:31,880
Speaker 2: It wouldn't look right. So they said, we want to

1220
01:04:31,880 --> 01:04:35,480
Speaker 2: take your whole breast cut to I said, well, if

1221
01:04:35,480 --> 01:04:37,200
Speaker 2: you have to take one breast, just take them both

1222
01:04:37,680 --> 01:04:39,840
Speaker 2: because I don't anything to pop up in my other breast.

1223
01:04:40,840 --> 01:04:43,320
Speaker 2: So once they did the surgery, it took everything out.

1224
01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:47,280
Speaker 2: They retested it and they said, oh, you had a

1225
01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:53,200
Speaker 2: one centimeter stage one tumor in your breast. So I

1226
01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:56,000
Speaker 2: didn't know that from my scans. It was just I

1227
01:04:56,120 --> 01:04:59,960
Speaker 2: only knew of the the stuff in the milk duck,

1228
01:05:00,600 --> 01:05:03,120
Speaker 2: so I didn't know I had a whole one one

1229
01:05:03,240 --> 01:05:06,000
Speaker 2: sendime to stage one tumor until we did the surgery

1230
01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:07,400
Speaker 2: and they took it out and.

1231
01:05:07,440 --> 01:05:09,560
Speaker 1: They wouldn't have known or they just didn't catch it.

1232
01:05:10,080 --> 01:05:12,080
Speaker 2: No, they didn't see it. They I mean, the other

1233
01:05:12,120 --> 01:05:14,440
Speaker 2: stuff in the milk ducks showed up, but the tumor

1234
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:17,240
Speaker 2: they didn't see it on the Mamma Grand or the ultrasound.

1235
01:05:18,120 --> 01:05:20,680
Speaker 2: So I didn't know that until after that I had

1236
01:05:20,720 --> 01:05:23,280
Speaker 2: a stage one tumor. So I had both of my

1237
01:05:23,320 --> 01:05:27,040
Speaker 2: breasts removed. Thank god that I have implants now, because

1238
01:05:27,040 --> 01:05:29,800
Speaker 2: everybody's like, well, how come you look like it's doing press. Well,

1239
01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:34,600
Speaker 2: I haven't. I haven't plants now, but I'm good. You know,

1240
01:05:34,680 --> 01:05:38,800
Speaker 2: I caught it early, and I just have to keep

1241
01:05:38,840 --> 01:05:39,560
Speaker 2: myself healthy.

1242
01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:47,040
Speaker 1: You still walked in this room smiling, it was building, smiling, enlightened.

1243
01:05:47,120 --> 01:05:49,040
Speaker 2: And this was three months ago. So I had my

1244
01:05:49,120 --> 01:05:51,160
Speaker 2: surgery three months ago, and you know, I just had

1245
01:05:51,160 --> 01:05:53,640
Speaker 2: an examination a couple of days ago and she said

1246
01:05:54,080 --> 01:05:57,920
Speaker 2: everything everything, looks good. So I'm just gonna stay on

1247
01:05:58,040 --> 01:06:01,480
Speaker 2: the on the other side of every so every six months,

1248
01:06:01,480 --> 01:06:03,000
Speaker 2: I got to get checked every six months.

1249
01:06:03,360 --> 01:06:06,680
Speaker 4: And just in that too, just in your your journey

1250
01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:10,360
Speaker 4: and your story, just telling other women, and we tell

1251
01:06:10,440 --> 01:06:12,520
Speaker 4: men all the time when you know on our podcast,

1252
01:06:12,600 --> 01:06:16,280
Speaker 4: like especially in our community, yes please.

1253
01:06:16,040 --> 01:06:19,240
Speaker 2: Get tested even with prostate, like check all of that,

1254
01:06:19,480 --> 01:06:22,280
Speaker 2: like you know, because when you catched up early, you

1255
01:06:22,400 --> 01:06:25,760
Speaker 2: can You'll live, you can do, you can live. So

1256
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:27,479
Speaker 2: I'm so glad I caught her right.

1257
01:06:27,440 --> 01:06:29,560
Speaker 1: We are too, I'm good.

1258
01:06:30,280 --> 01:06:36,440
Speaker 2: I'm good. I also want to say this before we go.

1259
01:06:36,560 --> 01:06:39,560
Speaker 2: I'm in a musical and I'm playing Michelle Obama in

1260
01:06:39,720 --> 01:06:42,320
Speaker 2: a musical called forty four and the Food.

1261
01:06:43,320 --> 01:06:44,200
Speaker 1: Where can we check it out?

1262
01:06:44,280 --> 01:06:47,720
Speaker 2: So it's about Barack Obama when he was running for president.

1263
01:06:48,440 --> 01:06:51,400
Speaker 2: And we did a run here in California at the

1264
01:06:51,400 --> 01:06:54,440
Speaker 2: Bourbon Room for like six weeks, and and then we

1265
01:06:54,600 --> 01:06:57,520
Speaker 2: just did New York, we just did Chicago. Looks like

1266
01:06:57,560 --> 01:07:00,400
Speaker 2: we're about to go to Philly next month. So I'm

1267
01:07:00,520 --> 01:07:01,640
Speaker 2: enjoying it so much.

1268
01:07:02,440 --> 01:07:03,560
Speaker 1: Are you guys coming back to l A?

1269
01:07:03,600 --> 01:07:06,600
Speaker 2: I know, I think after after the New year back here,

1270
01:07:06,640 --> 01:07:09,600
Speaker 2: so I'll let you know, but I'm having the time

1271
01:07:09,640 --> 01:07:12,240
Speaker 2: of my life doing this musical. So much fun.

1272
01:07:13,080 --> 01:07:16,120
Speaker 1: Your stomp. You're a flat footed singer, so that worked.

1273
01:07:17,560 --> 01:07:18,080
Speaker 1: It works for you.

1274
01:07:18,400 --> 01:07:20,200
Speaker 2: A huge com from you and you.

1275
01:07:22,920 --> 01:07:24,720
Speaker 4: It's not like we were going there like yeah, she's

1276
01:07:24,720 --> 01:07:27,960
Speaker 4: gonna that would be the last of the words, like

1277
01:07:28,520 --> 01:07:29,240
Speaker 4: she about to cook?

1278
01:07:29,640 --> 01:07:30,080
Speaker 2: Thank you?

1279
01:07:31,600 --> 01:07:34,680
Speaker 1: Are we gonna get some new music? We're gonna you know, yeah.

1280
01:07:34,680 --> 01:07:38,840
Speaker 2: I you know. I just recently Jimmy Jam and Terry

1281
01:07:38,920 --> 01:07:39,720
Speaker 2: Lewis did.

1282
01:07:41,120 --> 01:07:49,880
Speaker 1: End for Nothing.

1283
01:07:51,120 --> 01:07:56,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, they did a show a festival in Minneapolis and

1284
01:07:56,640 --> 01:07:58,200
Speaker 2: asked me to be a part of it. It was

1285
01:07:58,280 --> 01:08:01,600
Speaker 2: myself and Reuben stuttered and we had to sing all

1286
01:08:01,640 --> 01:08:05,840
Speaker 2: of their hit songs and and so it went really well.

1287
01:08:06,080 --> 01:08:07,760
Speaker 2: And so now they're like, we want to get you

1288
01:08:07,800 --> 01:08:09,960
Speaker 2: in the studio. So I haven't been in the studio yet,

1289
01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:12,400
Speaker 2: but they want to get me in the studio to record.

1290
01:08:12,520 --> 01:08:14,600
Speaker 1: So I can't wait.

1291
01:08:14,920 --> 01:08:16,400
Speaker 2: I want to work for you guys too.

1292
01:08:17,840 --> 01:08:19,760
Speaker 1: This is this, this is our place, this is where

1293
01:08:19,800 --> 01:08:20,000
Speaker 1: we do.

1294
01:08:20,920 --> 01:08:27,639
Speaker 2: I want to record. Yes, yes, okay, you heard them right,

1295
01:08:27,800 --> 01:08:28,480
Speaker 2: you guys.

1296
01:08:28,439 --> 01:08:39,400
Speaker 1: Everything you can ship. I'm waiting for the Jimmy Jam

1297
01:08:39,560 --> 01:08:40,519
Speaker 1: and Terry Lewis.

1298
01:08:43,520 --> 01:08:46,400
Speaker 2: They just finished La Adams album and.

1299
01:08:46,520 --> 01:08:50,320
Speaker 3: I know, I know we would love to work with you,

1300
01:08:50,600 --> 01:08:56,920
Speaker 3: but as fans of that ship, I know what Jimmy

1301
01:08:57,040 --> 01:08:58,680
Speaker 3: jam and Terry Lewis are going to do.

1302
01:09:00,240 --> 01:09:01,439
Speaker 2: I am so excited.

1303
01:09:02,040 --> 01:09:04,160
Speaker 1: I want to hear it first before I do anything.

1304
01:09:06,840 --> 01:09:13,240
Speaker 1: I saw the songs up. I want to be able

1305
01:09:13,240 --> 01:09:14,920
Speaker 1: to fight on the even playing.

1306
01:09:16,320 --> 01:09:16,840
Speaker 2: Whatever.

1307
01:09:17,800 --> 01:09:24,040
Speaker 1: Her niece, Take your your top five R and B.

1308
01:09:25,320 --> 01:09:27,080
Speaker 2: It's hard to pick five.

1309
01:09:29,520 --> 01:09:32,920
Speaker 1: If I had you have to or you're five at

1310
01:09:32,960 --> 01:09:34,920
Speaker 1: the moment, you know you're five. Just you know which

1311
01:09:34,960 --> 01:09:35,519
Speaker 1: just comes to my.

1312
01:09:35,640 --> 01:09:45,880
Speaker 2: Winnie Houston is definitely Whitney Houston. Jesus, I love well

1313
01:09:46,040 --> 01:09:47,080
Speaker 2: does it have to be? R and B?

1314
01:09:47,439 --> 01:09:48,559
Speaker 1: Whatever you want your world?

1315
01:09:48,760 --> 01:09:51,160
Speaker 2: Because I love Karen Clarks.

1316
01:09:54,560 --> 01:09:56,600
Speaker 1: Know I love all of the Clarks Okay, will make

1317
01:09:56,640 --> 01:09:59,840
Speaker 1: them a whole to a whole. Got to get a

1318
01:09:59,880 --> 01:10:02,479
Speaker 1: who section. I watched I watched the movie and it

1319
01:10:02,600 --> 01:10:04,200
Speaker 1: was real. It's real.

1320
01:10:04,600 --> 01:10:06,240
Speaker 2: I was a little girl and I used and I

1321
01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:07,920
Speaker 2: used to say I used to watch them and I

1322
01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:09,720
Speaker 2: used to say, I want to sing like that one

1323
01:10:09,840 --> 01:10:12,960
Speaker 2: right there, Karen. But you know, and then when I

1324
01:10:13,080 --> 01:10:16,240
Speaker 2: met her, she had all white and I remember saying,

1325
01:10:16,320 --> 01:10:19,479
Speaker 2: she's a real angel. She's wearing white. Okay, So anyway

1326
01:10:20,000 --> 01:10:20,600
Speaker 2: was the white that.

1327
01:10:20,680 --> 01:10:22,960
Speaker 1: FLEX had on in Michael Jackson. It was.

1328
01:10:29,760 --> 01:10:31,559
Speaker 2: Then I messed my head. I waked him Mike too.

1329
01:10:31,760 --> 01:10:35,200
Speaker 2: I sang three backgrounds on three records. Yeah, I sang

1330
01:10:35,280 --> 01:10:40,120
Speaker 2: backgrounds are three of Michael's records is keep the faith,

1331
01:10:41,200 --> 01:10:44,280
Speaker 2: keep the faith behind the mask. After he passed away,

1332
01:10:44,320 --> 01:10:46,559
Speaker 2: they put me on that song and then I did

1333
01:10:46,680 --> 01:10:47,439
Speaker 2: You'll be there.

1334
01:10:47,800 --> 01:10:51,320
Speaker 1: You'll be there and break my heart for Tony Braxton.

1335
01:10:51,520 --> 01:10:53,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I say backgrounds on unbreak my heart.

1336
01:10:53,160 --> 01:10:55,800
Speaker 1: Look at me, look at me, look a look at me.

1337
01:10:55,840 --> 01:10:56,760
Speaker 1: Know my little tit bitch.

1338
01:10:57,680 --> 01:11:01,800
Speaker 2: That's true. But okay, so okay, favorite top five R

1339
01:11:01,840 --> 01:11:02,080
Speaker 2: and B.

1340
01:11:02,200 --> 01:11:05,559
Speaker 1: Singers too, like I did too mean Clark's sisters.

1341
01:11:06,000 --> 01:11:13,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're gonna put them and then shoot, I love

1342
01:11:13,200 --> 01:11:13,839
Speaker 2: Kim Barell.

1343
01:11:14,320 --> 01:11:19,400
Speaker 1: Why not. Yeah, she's a beach super saying, oh my.

1344
01:11:19,560 --> 01:11:22,040
Speaker 2: Gosh, I heard her seeing the other day. I was

1345
01:11:22,080 --> 01:11:24,360
Speaker 2: a she did this like it's almost like the tiny

1346
01:11:24,439 --> 01:11:27,080
Speaker 2: desk thing, and she did a performance. It was a small,

1347
01:11:27,160 --> 01:11:29,519
Speaker 2: intimate crowd and I'm just sitting there with my mouth open.

1348
01:11:29,439 --> 01:11:34,760
Speaker 3: Like it's always it's insane. It's always a lesson. Oh

1349
01:11:34,880 --> 01:11:37,160
Speaker 3: my goodness, I never get tired of it.

1350
01:11:37,680 --> 01:11:37,840
Speaker 4: Oh.

1351
01:11:38,080 --> 01:11:40,000
Speaker 2: I'm like, if I could just jump into her brain

1352
01:11:40,120 --> 01:11:42,479
Speaker 2: and just like, I just I don't know what she's

1353
01:11:42,520 --> 01:11:44,840
Speaker 2: thinking when she's singing. I just wish I could think.

1354
01:11:45,560 --> 01:11:48,400
Speaker 1: But what she picks to go is it's insane.

1355
01:11:49,160 --> 01:11:51,439
Speaker 4: I can't do it at all, but she's even hearing it.

1356
01:11:51,479 --> 01:11:54,360
Speaker 4: It's like I didn't even know that's where you could

1357
01:11:54,439 --> 01:11:54,800
Speaker 4: go there.

1358
01:11:56,240 --> 01:11:59,040
Speaker 2: Michael Jackson's one of my favorite. I love Michael Jackson.

1359
01:12:01,080 --> 01:12:10,640
Speaker 2: And gosh, there's so many people that I love. I

1360
01:12:10,720 --> 01:12:11,360
Speaker 2: love Beyonce.

1361
01:12:12,040 --> 01:12:16,759
Speaker 1: Why not. I love Beyonce a loyal member.

1362
01:12:17,040 --> 01:12:19,920
Speaker 2: I think she sings in that song Plastic on the Sofa.

1363
01:12:21,040 --> 01:12:23,240
Speaker 2: I love those I love what she did on that plastic.

1364
01:12:23,439 --> 01:12:26,240
Speaker 2: They are not going to tell me right it's called

1365
01:12:26,960 --> 01:12:28,639
Speaker 2: It's just a song that's on her new album called

1366
01:12:28,640 --> 01:12:29,559
Speaker 2: Plastic on the Sofa.

1367
01:12:30,560 --> 01:12:33,000
Speaker 1: I have to look Renaissance.

1368
01:12:33,360 --> 01:12:34,960
Speaker 2: She I love that song.

1369
01:12:35,400 --> 01:12:43,600
Speaker 1: She opened her She opened her stadium concert with ballads.

1370
01:12:44,000 --> 01:12:44,519
Speaker 2: I remember that.

1371
01:12:44,680 --> 01:12:49,240
Speaker 1: I went like, like, how disrespectful.

1372
01:12:51,680 --> 01:12:54,639
Speaker 3: I'm going to sit right here by this piano. Classic

1373
01:12:54,720 --> 01:12:56,120
Speaker 3: off the plastic off the sofa.

1374
01:12:56,320 --> 01:12:58,320
Speaker 2: It's plastic off the sofa and on the sound and.

1375
01:12:59,120 --> 01:13:04,680
Speaker 1: Give you these raw, unadult orted vocals.

1376
01:13:06,280 --> 01:13:08,000
Speaker 2: That's what she did. I got to say this. I

1377
01:13:08,080 --> 01:13:09,720
Speaker 2: know you said top five, but I got I have

1378
01:13:09,960 --> 01:13:12,280
Speaker 2: I have to mention. Let us see, I have to

1379
01:13:13,280 --> 01:13:21,400
Speaker 2: mention Chante Moore. I have to mention to Miya these

1380
01:13:21,439 --> 01:13:24,000
Speaker 2: are people that I really do, I really do love.

1381
01:13:25,120 --> 01:13:27,080
Speaker 2: I have to mention Jazz and Sullivan too.

1382
01:13:28,080 --> 01:13:30,679
Speaker 1: I like, you got no argument for anyone you said,

1383
01:13:30,760 --> 01:13:33,160
Speaker 1: you and to Mia have this like special place for

1384
01:13:33,320 --> 01:13:34,599
Speaker 1: me where you got.

1385
01:13:34,800 --> 01:13:40,320
Speaker 3: You two exist in just this space of like skill

1386
01:13:40,600 --> 01:13:45,400
Speaker 3: power and and if I'm going to make me make

1387
01:13:45,479 --> 01:13:52,160
Speaker 3: up a word angelics, thank you. Okay, your top.

1388
01:13:52,080 --> 01:13:56,080
Speaker 2: Five R and B songs, well the best of my

1389
01:13:56,160 --> 01:13:59,400
Speaker 2: love by the emotions. And I'm gonna reason why is

1390
01:13:59,439 --> 01:14:01,160
Speaker 2: because when I was a little girl, I didn't know

1391
01:14:01,200 --> 01:14:04,519
Speaker 2: how to harmonize. I knew how to sing lead, but

1392
01:14:04,600 --> 01:14:06,680
Speaker 2: when it was time to harmonize, I would always go

1393
01:14:06,800 --> 01:14:08,880
Speaker 2: off my note and go on to another note. And

1394
01:14:09,320 --> 01:14:11,479
Speaker 2: so my mom taught me how to harmonize by listening

1395
01:14:11,520 --> 01:14:13,400
Speaker 2: to the best of my love. So that's how I

1396
01:14:13,479 --> 01:14:16,800
Speaker 2: actually learned how to harmonize from the emotions.

1397
01:14:16,880 --> 01:14:18,880
Speaker 4: I mean, you just got the family full of singers.

1398
01:14:19,240 --> 01:14:22,640
Speaker 4: Everyone sings yes, get on your cheating. I have to

1399
01:14:22,720 --> 01:14:24,120
Speaker 4: be telling your husband to get off.

1400
01:14:24,520 --> 01:14:27,519
Speaker 2: Oh yeah. We taught him how to harmonize to him,

1401
01:14:27,600 --> 01:14:30,519
Speaker 2: My mom and I did because because Flex sings on key.

1402
01:14:30,560 --> 01:14:31,800
Speaker 1: Flex doesn't sing out of key.

1403
01:14:32,360 --> 01:14:36,960
Speaker 2: No no, he's much better now. He has a good

1404
01:14:37,000 --> 01:14:43,320
Speaker 2: ear too. No no, no. Flex has a good tone

1405
01:14:43,400 --> 01:14:45,439
Speaker 2: and he can hear if someone's off. He can hear

1406
01:14:45,520 --> 01:14:46,559
Speaker 2: it like he knows.

1407
01:14:46,760 --> 01:14:53,840
Speaker 1: Now we heard your eye turner. He could you see

1408
01:14:53,840 --> 01:15:01,800
Speaker 1: the episode? I heard another he comes out with right.

1409
01:15:03,120 --> 01:15:05,599
Speaker 2: Yeah. So we worked with Flex and he actually can sing.

1410
01:15:05,680 --> 01:15:08,880
Speaker 2: I think Flex flex, but I would say the best

1411
01:15:08,920 --> 01:15:12,519
Speaker 2: of my love. I love Michael Jackson's You Are Not Alone.

1412
01:15:13,600 --> 01:15:16,760
Speaker 2: I love that song. That song just when I.

1413
01:15:16,760 --> 01:15:20,200
Speaker 1: Hear simple, it's so simple, it's so simple.

1414
01:15:21,080 --> 01:15:26,320
Speaker 2: The song the Titanic song that Celine Dion did saying that.

1415
01:15:28,680 --> 01:15:32,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, he'll go on. So you know.

1416
01:15:32,520 --> 01:15:34,680
Speaker 2: I worked with Diane Warren and David Foster. I did

1417
01:15:34,720 --> 01:15:38,240
Speaker 2: a song called Save a Third for You. It's on

1418
01:15:38,320 --> 01:15:48,240
Speaker 2: the Night One soundtrack. She wrote that, Yeah, Diane wrote, Diane, Diane.

1419
01:15:48,000 --> 01:15:50,840
Speaker 1: Warne taught me a real lesson in music publishing. Yes

1420
01:15:51,800 --> 01:15:53,519
Speaker 1: that I will never forget. Thank you.

1421
01:15:54,920 --> 01:15:55,120
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1422
01:15:55,360 --> 01:15:56,479
Speaker 1: So I love.

1423
01:15:57,960 --> 01:16:02,439
Speaker 2: Celeine Dion. How wasn't it my life my harbor gone, Gosh,

1424
01:16:02,520 --> 01:16:04,680
Speaker 2: it's so hard to pick you got it? I think

1425
01:16:05,000 --> 01:16:05,479
Speaker 2: all time?

1426
01:16:05,600 --> 01:16:05,800
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1427
01:16:05,800 --> 01:16:09,920
Speaker 2: Three yeah, three, Well since I love your smile was

1428
01:16:09,960 --> 01:16:10,519
Speaker 2: so good to me.

1429
01:16:14,160 --> 01:16:21,479
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I told you something. Yeah and that undecided

1430
01:16:21,640 --> 01:16:25,080
Speaker 1: check yeah because she wrote it.

1431
01:16:25,280 --> 01:16:30,880
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah yeah. And then I have to say adore

1432
01:16:30,960 --> 01:16:34,920
Speaker 2: by Prince. I love Prince.

1433
01:16:35,120 --> 01:16:38,759
Speaker 1: He was so ahead of his time, yes, with those records.

1434
01:16:39,040 --> 01:16:41,320
Speaker 2: And I'm gonna tell you. We meet and you know,

1435
01:16:41,400 --> 01:16:44,599
Speaker 2: we meet celebrities all the time, but when I met Prince,

1436
01:16:45,200 --> 01:16:49,360
Speaker 2: he's the only celebrity that made me cry. I literally

1437
01:16:49,439 --> 01:16:50,880
Speaker 2: not in front of him. I was like, nice to

1438
01:16:50,920 --> 01:16:52,479
Speaker 2: meet you, and then I went to the bathroom.

1439
01:16:52,520 --> 01:16:57,000
Speaker 1: I was like Prince moment.

1440
01:16:57,120 --> 01:16:59,400
Speaker 2: I was such I found out when I met Prince.

1441
01:16:59,479 --> 01:17:02,519
Speaker 2: So yeah, I got to say door kind.

1442
01:17:02,400 --> 01:17:03,599
Speaker 1: Of I didn't meet him.

1443
01:17:04,080 --> 01:17:05,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, we was in the same room.

1444
01:17:05,280 --> 01:17:07,960
Speaker 1: He was like right over there, Wow, you didn't meet him.

1445
01:17:08,320 --> 01:17:10,200
Speaker 3: I didn't get a chance to meet him because it

1446
01:17:10,360 --> 01:17:13,120
Speaker 3: was like it was a it was just kind of

1447
01:17:13,160 --> 01:17:15,960
Speaker 3: a weird interaction. It was one of Jamie's parties throwing

1448
01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:20,320
Speaker 3: the party at this hotel and Prince came.

1449
01:17:20,240 --> 01:17:23,320
Speaker 1: And then I'm like, that's prissy. And then and then

1450
01:17:23,360 --> 01:17:26,680
Speaker 1: he was looking at me. I was like, I know,

1451
01:17:26,800 --> 01:17:31,160
Speaker 1: he's so like mysterious, completely mysterious. Like what do I like,

1452
01:17:31,439 --> 01:17:31,760
Speaker 1: do I go?

1453
01:17:32,040 --> 01:17:35,600
Speaker 3: Do I walk over to the Yeah? And then he

1454
01:17:35,720 --> 01:17:37,360
Speaker 3: wasn't even in there for five minutes and then he

1455
01:17:37,640 --> 01:17:40,360
Speaker 3: came walking towards me. I'm like, is he going to

1456
01:17:40,360 --> 01:17:42,559
Speaker 3: say ahead of me? And then he just walked by

1457
01:17:42,600 --> 01:17:48,040
Speaker 3: me here like I guess not. And then it was like,

1458
01:17:48,160 --> 01:17:50,720
Speaker 3: we're going to the Sayers Club and we all gonna

1459
01:17:50,760 --> 01:17:51,320
Speaker 3: jym out.

1460
01:17:51,240 --> 01:17:53,960
Speaker 1: Prince is coming. And then we got there and I

1461
01:17:54,040 --> 01:17:56,719
Speaker 1: think Prince came for like a second, and then Princess

1462
01:17:56,760 --> 01:17:59,599
Speaker 1: Prince like batman. Yeah, yeah, I told her. I told

1463
01:17:59,640 --> 01:17:59,920
Speaker 1: her home.

1464
01:18:00,040 --> 01:18:02,760
Speaker 4: He said, don't don't say nothing to print, leave princes

1465
01:18:02,760 --> 01:18:07,000
Speaker 4: alone and didn't listen. They didn't listen, and it went

1466
01:18:07,040 --> 01:18:07,639
Speaker 4: a little left.

1467
01:18:08,200 --> 01:18:10,439
Speaker 2: Did they ask for a photo or something? Because I

1468
01:18:10,439 --> 01:18:11,800
Speaker 2: don't think he took pictures with people.

1469
01:18:12,280 --> 01:18:15,080
Speaker 4: They start bringing up like holidays and birthdays. It's my

1470
01:18:15,120 --> 01:18:18,000
Speaker 4: birthday and he's like, oh, you don't witness I.

1471
01:18:18,000 --> 01:18:21,120
Speaker 1: Don't believe in birthday. He just went and went left

1472
01:18:26,439 --> 01:18:29,559
Speaker 1: and then he vanished into the night. Oh wow, literally

1473
01:18:32,800 --> 01:18:35,559
Speaker 1: like one. We looked over to each other and say something.

1474
01:18:35,600 --> 01:18:38,760
Speaker 1: We looked back, he was gone, gone, I don't know.

1475
01:18:39,360 --> 01:18:41,280
Speaker 1: He's a magical nigga. He's so good at that, good

1476
01:18:41,320 --> 01:18:46,439
Speaker 1: at that. But yeah, let's build your voltron, your super

1477
01:18:46,680 --> 01:18:49,280
Speaker 1: R and B artists. We want to get the characteristics

1478
01:18:49,400 --> 01:18:52,840
Speaker 1: from artists that you've loved in the door since the

1479
01:18:52,920 --> 01:18:54,920
Speaker 1: beginning of time. We're going to look for the vocal,

1480
01:18:55,960 --> 01:19:00,600
Speaker 1: the performing style, the styling, the passion of the artists, and.

1481
01:19:03,560 --> 01:19:05,360
Speaker 3: And and here's what and here's one. I'm gonna throw

1482
01:19:05,360 --> 01:19:07,600
Speaker 3: a monkey wrench on you. What's going to be the

1483
01:19:07,800 --> 01:19:09,360
Speaker 3: title of their first single?

1484
01:19:09,479 --> 01:19:14,240
Speaker 1: Here we go. You're so good at it, I'm so confused.

1485
01:19:15,880 --> 01:19:18,080
Speaker 3: To guide you through it. Making a super R and

1486
01:19:18,160 --> 01:19:20,960
Speaker 3: B artist. You can pick one voice to build that artist.

1487
01:19:21,040 --> 01:19:23,799
Speaker 3: What voice are you picking the singer?

1488
01:19:24,120 --> 01:19:25,920
Speaker 2: So if I had a new artist and there's a

1489
01:19:26,000 --> 01:19:27,840
Speaker 2: singer that I want to know, you're putting this artist

1490
01:19:27,880 --> 01:19:30,479
Speaker 2: together like vultron. Oh, I'm putting it. I'm putting an

1491
01:19:30,520 --> 01:19:31,080
Speaker 2: artist together.

1492
01:19:31,200 --> 01:19:34,280
Speaker 3: You're putting all the DNA artists. So you have to

1493
01:19:34,320 --> 01:19:38,240
Speaker 3: pick one vocal to be the vocal of this artist.

1494
01:19:39,080 --> 01:19:43,880
Speaker 3: What vocal are you picking? Whose vocal. Are you picking?

1495
01:19:46,000 --> 01:19:49,120
Speaker 2: If it's a female artist, I would say, this is

1496
01:19:49,160 --> 01:19:51,320
Speaker 2: whatever you want to be. I would say, Whitney h

1497
01:19:52,600 --> 01:19:57,680
Speaker 2: strong strong, strong, strong, and and and she doesn't overseing

1498
01:19:57,800 --> 01:20:00,240
Speaker 2: and she knows like she does her run like she

1499
01:20:00,280 --> 01:20:02,479
Speaker 2: could hit you with a dope run. But she didn't

1500
01:20:02,560 --> 01:20:05,120
Speaker 2: overdo it because she's so quick. But it was so

1501
01:20:05,280 --> 01:20:07,360
Speaker 2: much power. She didn't have to like when she did

1502
01:20:07,439 --> 01:20:10,439
Speaker 2: the National Anthem, she didn't do a whole lot of runs,

1503
01:20:10,800 --> 01:20:12,840
Speaker 2: but it was so much power in that performance.

1504
01:20:13,200 --> 01:20:15,880
Speaker 1: It was it was the most intense.

1505
01:20:16,360 --> 01:20:17,800
Speaker 2: She knows how to land those runs.

1506
01:20:17,880 --> 01:20:21,160
Speaker 1: To her I've ever seen, I've ever felt.

1507
01:20:22,680 --> 01:20:24,679
Speaker 2: But if you think about it, she wasn't like all

1508
01:20:24,720 --> 01:20:25,760
Speaker 2: over the place she was.

1509
01:20:26,040 --> 01:20:29,960
Speaker 3: She was just precise and had so much intention with

1510
01:20:30,240 --> 01:20:33,439
Speaker 3: every note. I was like, you gotta be kill Like

1511
01:20:33,479 --> 01:20:35,639
Speaker 3: who cries during the national anthem?

1512
01:20:36,240 --> 01:20:39,040
Speaker 1: People were crying like I was. It was a tear

1513
01:20:39,120 --> 01:20:43,559
Speaker 1: coming out of my iuse fighting a tear. I didn't cry,

1514
01:20:43,680 --> 01:20:46,160
Speaker 1: it was a tear in my eye. That's not crying

1515
01:20:46,200 --> 01:20:47,800
Speaker 1: now you cry, that's emotions.

1516
01:20:48,400 --> 01:20:50,680
Speaker 2: Te Can I say one more thing? And I know

1517
01:20:50,760 --> 01:20:52,719
Speaker 2: you're going to be like, oh here she goes dropping

1518
01:20:52,760 --> 01:21:00,320
Speaker 2: another name. I just want to say this. So whitn

1519
01:21:00,360 --> 01:21:03,040
Speaker 2: and I were We were really cool. And as matter

1520
01:21:03,040 --> 01:21:04,400
Speaker 2: of fact, when I got married to Flex, she said,

1521
01:21:04,439 --> 01:21:07,960
Speaker 2: that's a gift, a wedding gift. And so my friend

1522
01:21:08,520 --> 01:21:11,760
Speaker 2: Don Juan used to be her sound person and used

1523
01:21:11,800 --> 01:21:14,240
Speaker 2: to run her, I think, her recording studio. She had

1524
01:21:14,280 --> 01:21:17,960
Speaker 2: her own home studio and he he called me one

1525
01:21:18,000 --> 01:21:20,240
Speaker 2: day and I missed the call. He said, why didn't

1526
01:21:20,240 --> 01:21:22,680
Speaker 2: you answer? He said, He said, I had Whitney on

1527
01:21:22,720 --> 01:21:24,320
Speaker 2: the phone. She wanted to talk to you because she

1528
01:21:24,400 --> 01:21:26,720
Speaker 2: wants to do a duet with you. And I was like,

1529
01:21:27,000 --> 01:21:29,200
Speaker 2: Whitney wants to do a duet with me? And he

1530
01:21:29,280 --> 01:21:32,960
Speaker 2: said yeah, he said, but she she wants Babyface to

1531
01:21:33,040 --> 01:21:36,519
Speaker 2: produce it. And I was like that's perfect. I said,

1532
01:21:36,520 --> 01:21:40,000
Speaker 2: I'm on the face, like yeah, let's do it. So

1533
01:21:42,000 --> 01:21:46,400
Speaker 2: it never happened, that's all I got to say. Yeah,

1534
01:21:46,640 --> 01:21:48,960
Speaker 2: so it just never. It just never happened. She wanted

1535
01:21:48,960 --> 01:21:53,960
Speaker 2: it to happen, and but it just never happened. But

1536
01:21:54,360 --> 01:21:57,280
Speaker 2: I wish it would have happened because I love her.

1537
01:21:57,360 --> 01:22:04,759
Speaker 3: Something so okay, performance style, performance style, You're going to get.

1538
01:22:05,720 --> 01:22:08,719
Speaker 1: Style on stage on stage?

1539
01:22:08,960 --> 01:22:11,600
Speaker 2: Oh, like the way to perform on stage.

1540
01:22:13,200 --> 01:22:15,479
Speaker 1: They give me male female. You're just you're building, You're

1541
01:22:15,520 --> 01:22:16,559
Speaker 1: just building an artist.

1542
01:22:18,120 --> 01:22:18,880
Speaker 2: Michael Jackson.

1543
01:22:19,080 --> 01:22:22,799
Speaker 1: Why why not? I know your attachment. I know your attachment,

1544
01:22:23,520 --> 01:22:26,760
Speaker 1: Michael Jackson. I know you do.

1545
01:22:29,760 --> 01:22:42,080
Speaker 2: Styling, drip vocals, closed styling, Beyonce, why not.

1546
01:22:43,680 --> 01:22:49,400
Speaker 1: Nothing off the rack? Yeah, once you get there, a

1547
01:22:49,479 --> 01:22:54,720
Speaker 1: new wardrobe area album, a new theme theme ding. You've

1548
01:22:54,720 --> 01:22:57,360
Speaker 1: seen that Cowboy Carter. You seeing that alb cover.

1549
01:22:58,800 --> 01:22:59,920
Speaker 2: Her images really strong?

1550
01:23:00,240 --> 01:23:01,599
Speaker 1: Is that a see through horse?

1551
01:23:03,080 --> 01:23:10,200
Speaker 3: It was it was special, it was special, like yeah,

1552
01:23:12,320 --> 01:23:15,120
Speaker 3: like that those reinventions. There's Madonna and then that's Beyonce.

1553
01:23:15,439 --> 01:23:19,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, Madonna. She knows how to reinvent her

1554
01:23:19,479 --> 01:23:20,960
Speaker 2: just turning in all the time.

1555
01:23:20,960 --> 01:23:24,759
Speaker 1: And and everyone who's on board is changing clothes.

1556
01:23:25,120 --> 01:23:25,599
Speaker 2: It's true.

1557
01:23:25,960 --> 01:23:27,479
Speaker 1: Okay, we're not an army. No more cool.

1558
01:23:28,280 --> 01:23:30,799
Speaker 2: Oh I got to say something. I just saw Dinah

1559
01:23:30,840 --> 01:23:35,040
Speaker 2: Ross on stage and she looks like a gazillion dollars.

1560
01:23:36,080 --> 01:23:37,240
Speaker 1: That's what she does.

1561
01:23:38,760 --> 01:23:42,120
Speaker 2: We got to mix Dina Ross in with beyond that.

1562
01:23:42,960 --> 01:23:46,000
Speaker 2: You can do that change so many times. And I'm

1563
01:23:46,040 --> 01:23:48,160
Speaker 2: telling you her outfice look like every dress you wore

1564
01:23:48,240 --> 01:23:50,519
Speaker 2: looked like it costs at least a million, Like she

1565
01:23:50,720 --> 01:23:52,440
Speaker 2: looked beautiful.

1566
01:23:52,680 --> 01:24:00,200
Speaker 3: That's what does Yes, it's all elegance, elegance, all high level.

1567
01:24:00,200 --> 01:24:01,920
Speaker 1: Business, circle star.

1568
01:24:02,080 --> 01:24:03,920
Speaker 4: When I was a little I just saw that five

1569
01:24:04,040 --> 01:24:06,479
Speaker 4: years old, and she brought my brother on stage to sing.

1570
01:24:07,320 --> 01:24:10,200
Speaker 2: I love Dinah Ross. I didn't get to mention her too.

1571
01:24:10,280 --> 01:24:11,240
Speaker 2: I love Dinass.

1572
01:24:11,600 --> 01:24:12,280
Speaker 1: This is fun.

1573
01:24:12,400 --> 01:24:16,720
Speaker 2: It's fun, okay, okay, So yeah, Diana, you had to mix.

1574
01:24:16,800 --> 01:24:19,400
Speaker 2: I was mixing a little Diana Ross and and Beyonce.

1575
01:24:20,080 --> 01:24:21,800
Speaker 1: I love that. I love that. I love that mix.

1576
01:24:23,880 --> 01:24:26,840
Speaker 1: The passion of the artists. Who means it, who makes

1577
01:24:26,880 --> 01:24:27,280
Speaker 1: you feel it?

1578
01:24:29,840 --> 01:24:34,840
Speaker 2: Karen Clark. Yeah, when I hear her songs, it brings

1579
01:24:34,880 --> 01:24:36,800
Speaker 2: to her like I literally cry when I listen to

1580
01:24:36,840 --> 01:24:37,240
Speaker 2: her music.

1581
01:24:37,400 --> 01:24:40,200
Speaker 1: So and I feel her both criers.

1582
01:24:40,560 --> 01:24:44,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I cried. It's okay, cry.

1583
01:24:45,720 --> 01:24:52,120
Speaker 1: Just for the love of black man. I don't want

1584
01:24:52,160 --> 01:24:57,080
Speaker 1: to be I'm not group the group. I am in

1585
01:24:57,200 --> 01:24:57,559
Speaker 1: the group.

1586
01:25:00,160 --> 01:25:04,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, you are an agreeas in the group. You are

1587
01:25:04,720 --> 01:25:05,200
Speaker 2: in the group.

1588
01:25:07,000 --> 01:25:13,559
Speaker 1: Let me and now I'm crying. Let me out. O man,

1589
01:25:13,640 --> 01:25:16,400
Speaker 1: it's great, it is great. Just you know, just a

1590
01:25:16,479 --> 01:25:18,400
Speaker 1: thug tear. What's okay?

1591
01:25:18,400 --> 01:25:19,760
Speaker 3: Here we go and what's the name of the saying,

1592
01:25:19,840 --> 01:25:22,800
Speaker 3: what's the title of the single for this artist, for

1593
01:25:22,880 --> 01:25:24,759
Speaker 3: this artist, what's she gonna name the single?

1594
01:25:28,479 --> 01:25:29,479
Speaker 2: Smiling through it all?

1595
01:25:30,040 --> 01:25:31,760
Speaker 1: Smiling through it all?

1596
01:25:32,880 --> 01:25:36,320
Speaker 2: Wow, smiling through it all.

1597
01:25:41,360 --> 01:25:46,920
Speaker 1: I guess it's really good at this right for don't

1598
01:25:46,960 --> 01:25:52,200
Speaker 1: take our title Jimmy Jam turn noise. We got it first.

1599
01:25:53,880 --> 01:25:54,920
Speaker 1: Smiling through it all?

1600
01:25:55,120 --> 01:25:58,800
Speaker 2: Is it because I've been through the ringer? But I'm still,

1601
01:25:59,200 --> 01:26:02,720
Speaker 2: you know, smiling all In with.

1602
01:26:02,880 --> 01:26:05,639
Speaker 1: That, I'm going to the pewter when I get home.

1603
01:26:05,760 --> 01:26:06,519
Speaker 2: Yes, let's go.

1604
01:26:06,800 --> 01:26:14,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna start tickling the I I mean strings.

1605
01:26:14,800 --> 01:26:18,479
Speaker 2: Yes, will be in the studio, both of us crying.

1606
01:26:26,479 --> 01:26:29,120
Speaker 4: So here we are very important segment of the show,

1607
01:26:29,280 --> 01:26:32,080
Speaker 4: so important called I Ain't saying no names. You tell

1608
01:26:32,160 --> 01:26:35,080
Speaker 4: us a story funny and funked up, a funny and

1609
01:26:35,240 --> 01:26:38,519
Speaker 4: fucked up. The only rude to the game is you

1610
01:26:38,600 --> 01:26:39,360
Speaker 4: can't say no name.

1611
01:26:40,160 --> 01:26:43,840
Speaker 2: I can tell you stories that's funny, funked up, but

1612
01:26:44,040 --> 01:26:45,320
Speaker 2: just don't say the person's name.

1613
01:26:45,479 --> 01:26:49,480
Speaker 1: No names, no not now name. You can say occupation,

1614
01:26:50,439 --> 01:26:53,960
Speaker 1: you can say was you not who you was with?

1615
01:26:54,400 --> 01:27:02,160
Speaker 2: Okay, So do let me tell you a story you okay. Well,

1616
01:27:02,760 --> 01:27:06,439
Speaker 2: So there was an artist recording artists that was really

1617
01:27:06,479 --> 01:27:10,479
Speaker 2: big at the time, and the person's song single just

1618
01:27:10,560 --> 01:27:12,439
Speaker 2: came out and I had to be on the same

1619
01:27:12,520 --> 01:27:15,400
Speaker 2: show with her, and I was so excited because they

1620
01:27:15,439 --> 01:27:18,360
Speaker 2: had our names on the dressing We had to share

1621
01:27:18,439 --> 01:27:21,599
Speaker 2: dress rooms together. So I got to my dressing room.

1622
01:27:21,640 --> 01:27:23,920
Speaker 2: I got to dress room first, and my mom was

1623
01:27:23,960 --> 01:27:26,559
Speaker 2: with me and my grandmother was with me. So when

1624
01:27:26,600 --> 01:27:29,320
Speaker 2: the artist came in, she looked around and she had

1625
01:27:29,360 --> 01:27:31,120
Speaker 2: a towel wrapped around her neck, and she said, my

1626
01:27:31,160 --> 01:27:34,120
Speaker 2: sharing dress rooms with nobody. She walked out and sat

1627
01:27:34,240 --> 01:27:36,160
Speaker 2: on the hallway floor and demanded that she had her

1628
01:27:36,200 --> 01:27:38,920
Speaker 2: own dressing room. So I thought that was pretty messed up,

1629
01:27:38,960 --> 01:27:41,880
Speaker 2: and I was crushed. And every time her song would

1630
01:27:41,880 --> 01:27:43,920
Speaker 2: come on the radio, my grandmother would say, turn that off,

1631
01:27:44,120 --> 01:27:46,280
Speaker 2: and so she would turn her music all every time,

1632
01:27:47,240 --> 01:27:49,879
Speaker 2: So that that was really messed up. That hurt my feelings.

1633
01:27:52,040 --> 01:27:56,000
Speaker 3: We don't have to be that way. Yeah, but maybe

1634
01:27:56,200 --> 01:28:03,040
Speaker 3: in fairness, yeah okay, And it probably wasn't about you,

1635
01:28:03,880 --> 01:28:07,040
Speaker 3: and more so about the promoter what maybe.

1636
01:28:07,000 --> 01:28:09,439
Speaker 2: Was promised to her right And and I've read to

1637
01:28:09,520 --> 01:28:12,080
Speaker 2: this person over the years, like recently, and that person

1638
01:28:12,160 --> 01:28:14,719
Speaker 2: is super nice to me. But that was my first

1639
01:28:15,120 --> 01:28:16,879
Speaker 2: that was your intro, My intro.

1640
01:28:21,000 --> 01:28:23,880
Speaker 1: Meet you too, ready to share space with you.

1641
01:28:24,200 --> 01:28:28,759
Speaker 2: I was so excited. So my feelings, yeah, my feelings

1642
01:28:28,800 --> 01:28:29,320
Speaker 2: got hurt and.

1643
01:28:29,360 --> 01:28:32,880
Speaker 1: He was probably smiling and everything, and Jesus, yeah, didn't

1644
01:28:33,000 --> 01:28:35,040
Speaker 1: see when he said in the hallway.

1645
01:28:35,040 --> 01:28:36,920
Speaker 2: I can't say the person's name, but it was another

1646
01:28:37,000 --> 01:28:39,439
Speaker 2: person that wanted to do a duet with me and

1647
01:28:39,760 --> 01:28:43,200
Speaker 2: the label told him no. But I'm not going to

1648
01:28:43,240 --> 01:28:46,759
Speaker 2: say yeah, they said no, and they said I don't understand.

1649
01:28:46,800 --> 01:28:50,960
Speaker 2: I said I don't understand either, and so that was pretty.

1650
01:28:53,360 --> 01:28:56,000
Speaker 1: So he came and told you like they told me.

1651
01:28:58,000 --> 01:29:00,439
Speaker 1: I was like, why, but you wanted to I want

1652
01:29:00,479 --> 01:29:00,760
Speaker 1: to do it.

1653
01:29:03,640 --> 01:29:05,960
Speaker 2: So when you talk about politics.

1654
01:29:05,520 --> 01:29:07,360
Speaker 3: Like I know all about that or you know, you

1655
01:29:07,439 --> 01:29:10,280
Speaker 3: were in it when the politic was was heavy everything.

1656
01:29:10,600 --> 01:29:13,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, my feelings have been my feelings have been

1657
01:29:13,760 --> 01:29:18,200
Speaker 2: hurt on several occasions and I'm like why, Like what

1658
01:29:18,320 --> 01:29:22,040
Speaker 2: did I do? You know? So, yeah, that's another story

1659
01:29:22,120 --> 01:29:22,720
Speaker 2: that's messed up.

1660
01:29:22,920 --> 01:29:26,880
Speaker 3: You were you were also a heavy commodity and people

1661
01:29:26,960 --> 01:29:28,960
Speaker 3: were trying to figure out you know, a lot of

1662
01:29:29,000 --> 01:29:30,240
Speaker 3: people trying to want to control that.

1663
01:29:30,400 --> 01:29:33,880
Speaker 1: I want to have their hands in on it. Heavy

1664
01:29:33,960 --> 01:29:37,360
Speaker 1: standing next to how they saying it you know, to

1665
01:29:37,439 --> 01:29:39,960
Speaker 1: read the reason she is that because I made sure

1666
01:29:40,000 --> 01:29:42,200
Speaker 1: of that right doing that.

1667
01:29:42,520 --> 01:29:46,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I wish and we speak about this

1668
01:29:46,320 --> 01:29:51,519
Speaker 4: like I wish that Chris Brown's would have come along earlier.

1669
01:29:51,800 --> 01:29:52,400
Speaker 1: In R and B.

1670
01:29:53,120 --> 01:29:56,880
Speaker 4: I love Chris, Chris Cherish his wealth. He works with everybody,

1671
01:29:57,000 --> 01:30:00,800
Speaker 4: the songs with everybody, and he doesn't and it was

1672
01:30:00,880 --> 01:30:01,519
Speaker 4: his idea to do.

1673
01:30:01,640 --> 01:30:02,559
Speaker 2: I love your smile too.

1674
01:30:03,120 --> 01:30:06,080
Speaker 4: He doesn't let the labels get in the way of

1675
01:30:06,360 --> 01:30:09,040
Speaker 4: who he just wants to work with. And for so long,

1676
01:30:09,160 --> 01:30:12,640
Speaker 4: like you said that, politic kept so many artists from

1677
01:30:12,720 --> 01:30:15,840
Speaker 4: doing records together, people who were actually friends.

1678
01:30:16,520 --> 01:30:19,120
Speaker 1: And people and people who may have thought, maybe we're.

1679
01:30:19,040 --> 01:30:22,960
Speaker 4: Not friends because of those things that labeled politic and

1680
01:30:23,400 --> 01:30:26,519
Speaker 4: a manager saying something to the artists and you feel

1681
01:30:26,560 --> 01:30:29,120
Speaker 4: away because you don't really know the person.

1682
01:30:29,760 --> 01:30:31,640
Speaker 1: But now we you know, we have this.

1683
01:30:31,840 --> 01:30:35,560
Speaker 4: Where you'll see multiple R and B artists doing a

1684
01:30:35,600 --> 01:30:36,200
Speaker 4: record together.

1685
01:30:37,000 --> 01:30:37,439
Speaker 1: That's true.

1686
01:30:37,560 --> 01:30:40,680
Speaker 2: Now everybody you know, and it could have been, like

1687
01:30:40,840 --> 01:30:44,559
Speaker 2: you know, rappers are good, they collaborate, Rappers collaborating the.

1688
01:30:46,840 --> 01:30:52,000
Speaker 1: Smoke together, they sol drugs together, they were locked up together,

1689
01:30:52,880 --> 01:30:57,400
Speaker 1: they're in the gang together. Like their togetherness was already

1690
01:30:57,680 --> 01:31:02,280
Speaker 1: like part of the package. Right, we're just once plucked

1691
01:31:02,280 --> 01:31:03,840
Speaker 1: out of church one at a time. We need like

1692
01:31:03,920 --> 01:31:06,840
Speaker 1: an R and B tang clan, we do, that's true.

1693
01:31:07,000 --> 01:31:09,640
Speaker 2: We need like nine young like yeah, that would be,

1694
01:31:10,479 --> 01:31:13,560
Speaker 2: that would be, that would be dope. I did the

1695
01:31:13,680 --> 01:31:19,320
Speaker 2: Soul cipher on Soul Train with Chante, Moore, PJ. Morton,

1696
01:31:20,240 --> 01:31:21,120
Speaker 2: and Stokely.

1697
01:31:21,600 --> 01:31:21,840
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1698
01:31:22,400 --> 01:31:24,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, we all did it together. So that's kind of

1699
01:31:25,000 --> 01:31:25,920
Speaker 2: similar to Chante.

1700
01:31:26,040 --> 01:31:27,840
Speaker 4: You're the only one she named that has not been

1701
01:31:27,920 --> 01:31:30,720
Speaker 4: on the R and B Money podcast. Against has been

1702
01:31:30,760 --> 01:31:35,840
Speaker 4: on the podcast, has been on the podcast. Yes, has

1703
01:31:35,920 --> 01:31:38,000
Speaker 4: done the podcast. And you told me that she was

1704
01:31:38,040 --> 01:31:42,320
Speaker 4: coming to and we both from San Francisco. You have

1705
01:31:42,439 --> 01:31:43,960
Speaker 4: to do you have to do this podcast?

1706
01:31:44,160 --> 01:31:53,720
Speaker 1: Yes, please, Kelly, take this phone, take this phone. That's

1707
01:31:53,800 --> 01:31:55,920
Speaker 1: the wrong song too, that's the wrong soul.

1708
01:31:56,320 --> 01:31:58,120
Speaker 2: But I also have a funny story. I was a

1709
01:31:58,960 --> 01:32:01,519
Speaker 2: Flex was talking that It was after an award show

1710
01:32:02,040 --> 01:32:03,680
Speaker 2: and he was in the press room and he was

1711
01:32:03,760 --> 01:32:06,080
Speaker 2: talking this is funny, but oh he said, don't say

1712
01:32:06,080 --> 01:32:10,240
Speaker 2: any names. Well Flex was there, Yeah, yeah, he was there,

1713
01:32:10,360 --> 01:32:12,439
Speaker 2: but he was standing next to somewhere really big and

1714
01:32:12,520 --> 01:32:14,840
Speaker 2: they were talking on the microphone that was in a

1715
01:32:14,880 --> 01:32:17,040
Speaker 2: press room and I was standing on the side of

1716
01:32:17,120 --> 01:32:19,880
Speaker 2: the stage and I was just pregnant with my son,

1717
01:32:20,640 --> 01:32:22,760
Speaker 2: and I said, let me go sit down because I

1718
01:32:22,840 --> 01:32:24,720
Speaker 2: don't want to be in the way. So I went

1719
01:32:24,800 --> 01:32:27,519
Speaker 2: to sit him to sit down, and I tripped over

1720
01:32:27,840 --> 01:32:31,040
Speaker 2: the speaker and I led and I fell in front

1721
01:32:31,040 --> 01:32:34,360
Speaker 2: of everybody in the press room. And then the person,

1722
01:32:34,479 --> 01:32:36,439
Speaker 2: the celebrity that FLEX was standing next to, he had

1723
01:32:36,479 --> 01:32:39,160
Speaker 2: the microphone in his hand and he said, it's all right,

1724
01:32:39,320 --> 01:32:45,080
Speaker 2: don't be embarrassed. Don't be embarrassed. So everybody's looking at

1725
01:32:45,120 --> 01:32:46,639
Speaker 2: me and I'm on the floor in the press room.

1726
01:32:46,680 --> 01:32:49,320
Speaker 2: So yeah, so that was embarrassing in front of that celebrity.

1727
01:32:50,360 --> 01:32:51,920
Speaker 1: You're all right, Oh, I was good.

1728
01:32:53,280 --> 01:32:54,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was That was years ago. But that was

1729
01:32:54,960 --> 01:32:56,320
Speaker 2: just a funny story. Yeah. Yeah.

1730
01:32:57,920 --> 01:33:01,400
Speaker 1: You're probably one of the most awesome persons human beings

1731
01:33:01,479 --> 01:33:03,560
Speaker 1: in the world. Thank you. The combination of you and

1732
01:33:03,680 --> 01:33:07,400
Speaker 1: your husband, it all makes sense. Thank you. Good people

1733
01:33:07,840 --> 01:33:12,960
Speaker 1: finding good people and I don't know, man, just just

1734
01:33:13,040 --> 01:33:17,080
Speaker 1: making this world a better place. Shout shout out to.

1735
01:33:19,720 --> 01:33:24,439
Speaker 4: You know yet it was it was everybody knows about

1736
01:33:24,479 --> 01:33:28,080
Speaker 4: that place I've been apartment building.

1737
01:33:28,280 --> 01:33:30,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what that's what we need.

1738
01:33:30,400 --> 01:33:30,639
Speaker 1: Money.

1739
01:33:31,640 --> 01:33:33,640
Speaker 3: Almost moved in there too, really, that's what we met.

1740
01:33:34,520 --> 01:33:36,120
Speaker 3: I was like, let's record deal money. I was like,

1741
01:33:36,640 --> 01:33:37,880
Speaker 3: I see what's going on in there.

1742
01:33:38,479 --> 01:33:40,280
Speaker 2: But at the time, I'm being honest. When I moved

1743
01:33:40,280 --> 01:33:41,880
Speaker 2: in there, it was like, for one Baron was like

1744
01:33:41,920 --> 01:33:45,680
Speaker 2: thirteen hundred a month. No. Yeah, but then but now

1745
01:33:46,400 --> 01:33:49,160
Speaker 2: that same apartment, it's like probably like four thousand a

1746
01:33:49,200 --> 01:33:50,520
Speaker 2: month easy, probably.

1747
01:33:50,280 --> 01:33:54,160
Speaker 1: More than that. Yeah. Yeah, they're gonna whoop be because.

1748
01:33:53,880 --> 01:33:56,680
Speaker 2: That location is because I think what friend of my

1749
01:33:56,840 --> 01:33:58,639
Speaker 2: checked a couple of years ago. It was like four

1750
01:33:58,720 --> 01:34:00,160
Speaker 2: thousand it.

1751
01:34:00,240 --> 01:34:03,240
Speaker 1: Anywhere from over there. Yeah, you get anywhere in twenty

1752
01:34:03,320 --> 01:34:04,080
Speaker 1: highway right there.

1753
01:34:04,120 --> 01:34:07,479
Speaker 2: I remember thinking like thirteen hundred a month. Back then,

1754
01:34:07,600 --> 01:34:09,400
Speaker 2: back in the day, I was like, that's what thirteen

1755
01:34:09,960 --> 01:34:10,200
Speaker 2: I had.

1756
01:34:11,240 --> 01:34:13,679
Speaker 1: I had a two bedroom in Ranch and cucka Manga.

1757
01:34:14,280 --> 01:34:15,280
Speaker 1: It's like twelve hundred.

1758
01:34:15,840 --> 01:34:17,759
Speaker 2: See, it's not like that anymore.

1759
01:34:18,080 --> 01:34:22,400
Speaker 1: I need that back, No, right, I need that.

1760
01:34:24,840 --> 01:34:24,960
Speaker 2: Right.

1761
01:34:25,200 --> 01:34:28,920
Speaker 1: I think I'm think I'm baby from Caney, right. I

1762
01:34:29,000 --> 01:34:37,719
Speaker 1: don't know. Nigga for a focus with the Corinthian eleven cruisers, Wow,

1763
01:34:38,800 --> 01:34:42,160
Speaker 1: niggas didn't realize it, but they were being economical as

1764
01:34:42,200 --> 01:34:44,160
Speaker 1: a motherfucker. Think about it.

1765
01:34:44,600 --> 01:34:50,160
Speaker 3: It wasn't ten Bentley's, it was ten custom pet cruisers.

1766
01:34:51,080 --> 01:34:54,439
Speaker 1: We saved money, but we still look but they weren't

1767
01:34:54,560 --> 01:34:56,519
Speaker 1: holding on to him for ten years like Shanese.

1768
01:34:56,800 --> 01:34:58,360
Speaker 2: Oh, I held on for ten years.

1769
01:35:00,760 --> 01:35:06,360
Speaker 1: That three. I love it. You know you got three

1770
01:35:06,400 --> 01:35:10,240
Speaker 1: four years max? Right? Do you say that you got

1771
01:35:10,360 --> 01:35:12,960
Speaker 1: to get rid of? Yeah? You done? All right? Yeah,

1772
01:35:13,720 --> 01:35:14,560
Speaker 1: we appreciate you.

1773
01:35:15,080 --> 01:35:18,400
Speaker 2: Can, I say, yes, you can. I have a vegan

1774
01:35:18,720 --> 01:35:21,439
Speaker 2: lipstick line. It's called Smile by Shines, and I'm actually

1775
01:35:21,479 --> 01:35:23,920
Speaker 2: wearing the lipstick right now, so I have to give

1776
01:35:23,960 --> 01:35:27,320
Speaker 2: a shout smile to your camera. Smile byes. Go to

1777
01:35:27,439 --> 01:35:30,479
Speaker 2: my website smile by Chinese dot com and get my

1778
01:35:30,600 --> 01:35:34,960
Speaker 2: lipstick line is vegan, it's long lasting. You love it

1779
01:35:35,360 --> 01:35:37,559
Speaker 2: and I have several have five different colors.

1780
01:35:37,640 --> 01:35:41,439
Speaker 1: So and that's why media training is needed.

1781
01:35:42,040 --> 01:35:47,240
Speaker 3: I was like, I'm not done. Thanks to say that.

1782
01:35:47,479 --> 01:35:50,240
Speaker 3: I'm going to say, and you call me up here,

1783
01:35:51,040 --> 01:35:54,600
Speaker 3: let me talk. I can say what I'm doing and

1784
01:35:54,760 --> 01:35:55,600
Speaker 3: how I'm doing it.

1785
01:35:59,640 --> 01:36:00,200
Speaker 2: What my.

1786
01:36:02,720 --> 01:36:06,080
Speaker 1: Smile by You got anything else? Smile by Shawn, that's it.

1787
01:36:06,479 --> 01:36:08,920
Speaker 1: That's a vegan and it's vegan.

1788
01:36:09,360 --> 01:36:09,960
Speaker 2: It's vegan.

1789
01:36:11,400 --> 01:36:15,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, smile through it all, smile through we are we yeah.

1790
01:36:16,000 --> 01:36:17,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's coming.

1791
01:36:20,520 --> 01:36:24,400
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you. I appreciate you,

1792
01:36:24,600 --> 01:36:27,679
Speaker 1: thanks for having My name is Tank, I'm Jay Valentine.

1793
01:36:27,760 --> 01:36:29,760
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01:36:29,840 --> 01:36:34,120
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1795
01:36:34,680 --> 01:36:40,160
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Speaker 3: through it all.