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Speaker 2: Into the zome for the touchdown.

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Speaker 3: Hollywood Brown has been spectacular.

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Speaker 2: Connor to the five and end of the end zone

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Speaker 2: for the touchdown.

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Speaker 3: Problem solved touchdown, Tyler Murray.

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Speaker 2: That defender is in multiple pieces.

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Speaker 1: All that was nasty right there right The latest news

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Speaker 1: and notes from the insiders who cover the team.

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Speaker 2: Break it On, Break it On, toukdown, save in Colin

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Speaker 2: Slamm the ground by fooda baker like a torpedo. He

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Speaker 2: came flying into the backfield.

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Speaker 4: High skirting nobody.

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Speaker 1: Here's Paul Calvic.

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Speaker 2: So you guys are well aware that if this broadcast

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Speaker 2: studio was one of the Position Group's meeting room, somebody

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Speaker 2: would be getting fined right now. Why is that there's

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Speaker 2: no Christmas tree, there's no holiday decorations, nothing.

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Speaker 4: You're right, you'll probably be handing out the fines.

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Speaker 2: There's nothing that says decorations or the holiday season tis

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Speaker 2: the season. Nothing in here?

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Speaker 3: Okay, Along those lines, I realize every year and then

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Speaker 3: it comes back and it hits me hard in the face.

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Speaker 3: I am I might be the worst gift wrapper of

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Speaker 3: all time. I like, I try and do it, and

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Speaker 3: I know what I'm supposed to do, and it looks

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Speaker 3: like it looks like it. It looks like my gifts

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Speaker 3: were in a car accident. Every time.

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Speaker 2: It's worth the extra three or four dollars per gift

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Speaker 2: just to have it professionally wrapped, is it not, Darren?

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Speaker 4: What three to four dollars per gift?

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Speaker 2: Well, that's why I just say, I just ordered a

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Speaker 2: gift online. It was three dollars to have it wrapped

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Speaker 2: and then send.

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Speaker 4: No, just open up YouTube and look how to wrap

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Speaker 3: First of all, I don't. I don't have that. I

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Speaker 3: didn't have that option with these these we're all like.

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Speaker 2: So usually it's not wrapping. It's just click click wrapping,

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Speaker 2: you know, click on the bubble. And then I'm not sad.

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Speaker 4: My mom is really good at rapping gifts, and all

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Speaker 4: I learned from her is that the fewer pieces of

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Speaker 4: tape us the better. She says, you should not need

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Speaker 4: more than two pieces of and I suck.

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Speaker 3: I will say that I find if you just.

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Speaker 4: Have mortage, just put a bow on it.

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Speaker 3: I feel bad for my wife because I get her

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Speaker 3: to do everything that isn't her present, because I don't

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Speaker 3: want her to see what I got her. So now

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Speaker 3: the only horrible wrap gifts under the tree or for.

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Speaker 4: Her, what'd you get her? I won't tell her.

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Speaker 3: It's all big secret.

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Speaker 2: See Craig Grielo, who bought me a couple extra days.

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Speaker 2: Because I like to take it down to the fourth quarter.

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Speaker 2: I really work my best on deadline, running the no

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Speaker 2: huddle at the very end. Okay, game winning drives before

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Speaker 2: the holiday deadline. And Craig Greeler said, well, wy, don't

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Speaker 2: you just get you way something in Chicago. You guys

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Speaker 2: used to live there some twenty years ago.

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Speaker 4: Why did you bring your back some popcorn that buys.

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Speaker 2: Me another twenty four to thirty six hours, right, just

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Speaker 2: bring it back on the plane.

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Speaker 4: You could just pick up like a Portillo's hot dog

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Speaker 4: or Illuminati's pizza here and tell her it's from Chicago.

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Speaker 3: That's right.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, Here's how it works with the rookies. Okay, for example,

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Speaker 2: on the Big Red Rage, Will Hernandez said, Paris Johnson

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Speaker 2: Junior got fined twice in the old line room. Number one,

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Speaker 2: he was late putting up the tree. Number two, how

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Speaker 2: Darry put up a tree? And according to will quote,

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Speaker 2: there's no topper, there was no angel, there was no star,

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Speaker 2: there was nothing atop the tree, which was deemed an

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Speaker 2: the course of the Big Red rage and Will Hernandez

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Speaker 2: is pretty much paying off his holiday credit card off

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Speaker 3: Where would I have seen this?

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Speaker 2: Oh, it was going on right when the media was there.

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Speaker 2: Antonio Hamilton and Buddha Baker were giving Starling, Thomas Garrett

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Speaker 2: the next day, they said, yeah, the tree was up,

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Speaker 2: but I'm quoting them now. The veterans they said the

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Speaker 2: but apparently the the rookies underwhelmed in the dB room.

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Speaker 4: I don't like Darren getting the idea that he can

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Speaker 2: So, by the way, I've been stripped of all decorating

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Speaker 2: have a good eye for where to put the ornaments.

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Speaker 4: I'm not judging. I'm just trying to keep up. You

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Speaker 4: don't You don't help with the Thanksgiving meal, you don't

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Speaker 4: decorate for christ the gifts for Christmas, Well.

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Speaker 2: The gifts are wrapped. It's better if I outsource it.

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Speaker 2: Man's got to know judging.

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Speaker 4: I'm just trying to keep track.

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Speaker 2: You have to know your limitation.

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Speaker 3: I think you're on track there, you know.

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Speaker 4: I mean, if the gift is there is at least

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Speaker 4: making brunch on Thanksgiving and trying to wrap his gifts.

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Speaker 2: If the gift is wrapped, if it's covered in wrapping paper,

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Speaker 2: doesn't that qualify yes?

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Speaker 3: Okay, one more question before we get too far into

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Speaker 2: I mean, are we judging the precision?

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Speaker 4: And I would rather see the effort.

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Speaker 3: If it's a really large gift, did you get our car? No?

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Speaker 3: I didn't get our car. Those are stupid commercials. Nobody

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Speaker 3: does that a car. If it's a really large object,

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Speaker 3: do you wrap it?

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Speaker 1: Yes?

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Speaker 4: I think that's part of the fun unless it comes

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Speaker 4: in a box.

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Speaker 3: Well that's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 4: Oh, then yea wrap the box.

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Speaker 3: But like it's a really heavy, gigantic box, that's more.

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Speaker 4: Fun if you have to really rip the wrapping paper.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but how do you I can't wrap a box

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Speaker 3: this big? How do I wrap a box that big? Then?

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Speaker 4: You know what, You just slap a bow on it.

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Speaker 3: There's a lot more tape involved there, Danny.

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Speaker 4: Just slap a bow on it and call on the day.

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Speaker 2: All right, Well, making the segway.

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Speaker 3: I just needed to get that out there.

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Speaker 2: The Cardinals opened a can on the Niners run defense,

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Speaker 3: Wow, right positive, right out of the box, just.

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Speaker 2: Right out of the gate. Thought I'd throw that in

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Speaker 2: there because you know, Fred Warner looked a little discombobulated

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Speaker 2: after the game meeting the media. He had a smile

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Speaker 2: w and then they brought up the fact Niners gave

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Speaker 2: up two hundred and thirty four yards rushing what nearly

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Speaker 2: eight yards of carry And yeah, he was at a

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Speaker 2: loss for words and explanation how exactly that happened. So

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Speaker 2: I put it to you, Danny Sirek and Darren Urban.

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Speaker 2: How do you explain a Cardinals run game that is

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Speaker 2: now number seven overall in the NFL.

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Speaker 4: Well, it's been impressive, especially this week. It wasn't just

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Speaker 4: maybe twenty seven, but he looked slippery, he was fast,

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Speaker 4: he was twice rush legs. Yes, Kyler Murray had forty

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Speaker 4: and I think that is important for the long jev

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Speaker 4: of the success of this offense. Every time Arizona's had

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Speaker 4: success offensively, they've run the ball well. Now it helps

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Speaker 4: that San Francisco was without their starting d linemen because

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Speaker 4: of injuries. I would assume that running the ball was

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you ride that hot hand until it's over in

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Speaker 3: two hundred and thirty four yards. Maybe one of Fred

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Speaker 3: Warner's issues was the fact he lost Imrii de Marcato

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Speaker 2: Or maybe he didn't have Javon Hargrave and Eric Armstead

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Speaker 3: It is interesting to me that as they knock the

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Speaker 3: for a second straight week and the Bears.

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Speaker 2: What are the odds of that? You're right, Bears are

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Speaker 2: number one in the NFL right now in run defense.

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Speaker 2: And it's amazing what one premiere pass rusher can do

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Speaker 2: for your front seven. What Montes Sweat has done for

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Speaker 2: the Bears. Their sack numbers have gone through the room.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's once upon a time when the Cardinals

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Speaker 2: were in dire need and they got Chandler Jones, right,

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Speaker 2: and he was that guy that offensive coordinators had to

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Speaker 2: what would just thinking out, what.

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Speaker 3: Is Chandler Jones doing these days? I'm sorry, what.

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Speaker 2: What would a Chandler Jones esque pass rusher do for

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Speaker 2: this Cardinals defense right now? Because everyone talks about and

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Speaker 2: we'll get into a little bit later, the receivers aren't GENIEZ.

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Speaker 2: What would Marvin Harrison Junior look like in a Cardinals uniform?

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Speaker 2: What would he do for the offense? And I'm not

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Speaker 2: I'm not debating that, I'm not negating that, but what

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Speaker 2: would a premier pass rusher do for this Cardinals defense

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Speaker 2: right now? They've been on three games in a row

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Speaker 4: It would give them a pass rush, Paul, and I

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Speaker 4: don't mean to be facetious that there hasn't been pressure.

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Speaker 4: It's more than just sacks, the quarterback hits. The pressurers

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Speaker 4: aren't there, and not just the way that you need

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Speaker 4: them to, the way that we saw that room put

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Speaker 4: up numbers to start the season. Now they're obviously playing

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Speaker 4: different teams and they were at the start of the year.

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Speaker 4: And when you put on some you have more film

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Speaker 4: for opponents to look at. That changes things, right, the

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Speaker 4: wear and tear of a season on your body, It's

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Speaker 4: a whole list of things. They have just been almost

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Speaker 4: non existent when it comes to making life difficult for

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Speaker 4: the quarterbacks they've been facing. I mean, brock Purdy was

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Speaker 4: under almost no pressure for most of the game, had

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Speaker 4: another high completion percentage, just felt like he wasn't under

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Speaker 4: any duress at all during the game. And I understand

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Speaker 4: you don't have that elite pass rusher. You need to

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Speaker 4: be able to get something out of the players you have,

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Speaker 4: and for whatever reason, the last few weeks, it's been

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Speaker 4: three games without a sack, they have not been able

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Speaker 3: What'll be fascinating to me is how you approach the

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Speaker 3: pass rush scheming when it comes to justin fields, because

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Speaker 3: you don't want a situation where you're going all out

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Speaker 2: You know, Kirk Cousins would always do that right every

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Speaker 2: still don't have that dominant sack guy. What Dennis Gardeck

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Speaker 3: They give him big contract too.

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Speaker 2: gladly based on what the return and an investment so far. Now,

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Speaker 2: But the Bears on offense have been struggling. Justin fields though,

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Speaker 2: I'm very curious to see what he looks like and

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Speaker 4: Yeah, if I can see him through all the rain, is.

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Speaker 2: It really in the forecast?

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Speaker 3: You know me?

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Speaker 4: Now, I don't. I know you don't. I don't think

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Speaker 3: Paul so that the window will be open. He could

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Speaker 4: No, there's not supposed to be snow.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I'm sorry. Did I say something that you didn't

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Speaker 4: It's fine. You know what this is?

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Speaker 2: That the jacket is that the jacket you're gonna wear,

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Speaker 3: Is all I've heard about that you haven't heard about

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Speaker 4: That's not it close to very much looking forward to

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Speaker 3: And I'm hearing she's going to have enough of an

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Speaker 3: your bar going forward, Paul.

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Speaker 4: I see that's every week.

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Speaker 2: So I'm getting the sense that this jacket has an

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Speaker 4: Well, now I feel like I'm hyping it up. I'll

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Speaker 4: Like it is a long, like almost to my calves, long, thick,

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Speaker 3: You'll be able to do there.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, here's the thing. It's too big to fit

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Speaker 2: I mean, with a coat like that, you got to

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Speaker 2: You gotta hit those loosey you gotta go over to

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Speaker 2: You gotta go hit all the places. Although a lot

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Speaker 3: But Danny will have to go get some dinner on

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Speaker 4: Okay, probably not deep dish, but something else.

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Speaker 3: You gotta find something hot to eat. I know.

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Speaker 2: What's got a bigger profile right now, the jacket or

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Speaker 2: Trey mcplay. That's what I want to know. There's my

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Speaker 4: I think I think Tray mcplay might have gotten some

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Speaker 3: The nickname, not the player.

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Speaker 4: The nickname, yeah, yeah, but I like it.

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Speaker 2: The player definitely exceeds the nickname. That goes without saying.

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Speaker 2: another one hundred yard receiving game, Cardinals went what thirty

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Speaker 2: four years without a tight end hitting one hundred yards

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Speaker 3: Can can he get the two hundred and seventy eight

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Speaker 2: Well at this rate, definitely, I mean there has been

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Speaker 3: There has been one one thousand yard season by a

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Speaker 2: Seriously, Yeah, Jackie Smith didn't do it more than once.

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Speaker 3: I don't think so. Wow, he had that one really

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Speaker 4: But well, McBride's first reception in Sunday's game was his

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Speaker 4: And McBride is pretty good with those contested throws anyway,

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Speaker 3: I mean, look at it's gonna get the targets. We

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Speaker 2: Look at the first quarter alone at that forty nine

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Speaker 2: And then later in the game you had the pick six.

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Speaker 2: You can't tell me that Sharvarius Ward, who's a corner,

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Speaker 3: I did watch that again though, And and if Kyler

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Speaker 2: Completion, gotcha, so's and Kyler owned it after the game,

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Speaker 4: It's too bad they didn't win. We probably would have

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Speaker 3: Pass interference, Danny pass interference. It was past interference, right,

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Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure.

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Speaker 2: I have to be better. How much more accountability are

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Speaker 2: in these press conferences, he has not hesitated to evoke

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Speaker 3: What I found interesting in his post game about taking

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Speaker 3: kind of weave your way around it, and we're all

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Speaker 3: I think he seemed to understand that if I just

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Speaker 2: Know, it's sort of an easy exit. Is that what

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Speaker 2: you're not?

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Speaker 3: Just an easy exit? But you're not going to get

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Speaker 3: yourself in troll with anything else you say. Right, you

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Speaker 2: And if you're taking the blame, there's really no need

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Speaker 3: Now I will say this, I can't completely speak on

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Speaker 3: what was supposed to happen or where everybody was supposed

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Speaker 3: to be, but just watching the replay, like I said,

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Speaker 3: it did feel like if Kyler gets that ball out

443
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Speaker 3: sooner and he had a very clean pocket on that play.

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Speaker 3: That was the other thing I wanted to go back

445
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Speaker 3: and look out. Was he under pressure and he really wasn't.

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Speaker 3: I mean, the past protection has been pretty darn good.

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Speaker 3: M hmm.

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Speaker 2: I mean the times where he has been under pressure.

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Speaker 2: I mean, there have been some breakdowns, there's no doubt

450
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Speaker 2: about it. But there's also times you're like, well, that

451
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Speaker 2: ball easily could have been out, should have been out

452
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Speaker 2: a little earlier, which leads you back to the whole

453
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Speaker 2: receiver conundrum. So what is not happening, what needs to happen.

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Speaker 2: Is it realistic to think it'll improve significantly over these

455
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Speaker 2: final three games? All we know is you know you're

456
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Speaker 2: not getting very much production out of your receivers at all,

457
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Speaker 2: especially when you see Hollywood Brown standing on the sideline

458
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Speaker 2: with a nick capbond because he's got a sore heel.

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Speaker 4: Well, what's most concerning about that is that Jonathan Gannon's

460
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Speaker 4: at postgame. He is concerned about Brown's heel, which has

461
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Speaker 4: been nagging him for the last couple of weeks. He

462
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Speaker 4: went entire week without practicing and left the game in

463
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Speaker 4: Pittsburgh early, and then left the game early against the

464
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Speaker 4: forty nine ers as well. That makes me wonder if

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Speaker 4: when you've only got three games left in the season,

466
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Speaker 4: if he's gone two straight games, not being able to

467
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Speaker 4: finish is ir possibility, which we might find out if

468
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Speaker 4: that's something that happens later in the week. If not,

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Speaker 4: I would I would be surprised at this point if

470
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Speaker 4: Brown even practices this week. When it comes to the

471
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Speaker 4: lack of production from receivers. It's interesting to know where

472
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Speaker 4: you put most of the blame there. It's great that

473
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Speaker 4: you have a tight end like my bride who's able

474
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Speaker 4: to kind of overcompensate for that, but you need to

475
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Speaker 4: have receivers that are going to be game changers for you.

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Speaker 4: To me, it comes down to you just don't have

477
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Speaker 4: the personnel. You have the speed in Holloway Brown. That's great,

478
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Speaker 4: we're gonna you know, let's assume at least this week

479
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Speaker 4: he might not be able to play. You've got the

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Speaker 4: size of Michael Wilson, who made his return after missing

481
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Speaker 4: the previous three games the neck injury. He wasn't non existent.

482
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Speaker 4: He's he's one of their better blocking receivers in the past.

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Speaker 4: Right in the past game, though zero catches. To me,

484
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Speaker 4: that makes me wonder was that more scheme because he's

485
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Speaker 4: your only receiver of size. Zach Pascal's had opportunities, hasn't

486
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Speaker 4: done anything with them. They they seem to use Rondo

487
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Speaker 4: more in a game, and then they don't really go

488
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Speaker 4: to him again for the next couple of games because

489
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Speaker 4: it seems like they're only using more on those long

490
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Speaker 4: deep shots or out of the backfield. And that's kind

491
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Speaker 4: of it. And then you've got Greg Dorch, who will

492
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Speaker 4: if Brown doesn't play, We'll probably have a bigger role

493
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Speaker 4: this week. To me, you just don't have the personnel

494
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Speaker 4: at wide receiver, and I think that the start of

495
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Speaker 4: the season it seems like you did. And as the

496
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Speaker 4: season goes along, it's been pretty glaring that, oh, this,

497
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Speaker 4: at least for me, this is creeping up to the

498
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Speaker 4: top of my list in terms of dire needs in

499
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Speaker 4: the off season.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, a month ago, if you asked me about you know,

501
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Speaker 2: go ahead and give your Pallague power pole of needs

502
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Speaker 2: going into the off season, I would have started with

503
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Speaker 2: getting to the quarterback and edge rusher, a three technique dtackle.

504
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Speaker 2: You got to be stout up front. I would have

505
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Speaker 2: started with the defensive line. I would have thrown corner

506
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Speaker 2: in there. If there's a Sauce Gardner type in the

507
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Speaker 2: top five, absolutely pull the trigger. But there really isn't,

508
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Speaker 2: supposedly in this draft. And then after that I probably

509
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Speaker 2: would have gone O line and receiver would have been fifth.

510
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Speaker 2: But after these last few games does make you rethink

511
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Speaker 2: things when you consider, like the instant impact that Justin

512
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Speaker 2: Jefferson had on the Vikings offense, the instant impact Jamar

513
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Speaker 2: Chase had in transforming the Bengals, what Stefan Diggs did

514
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Speaker 2: for Joe Burrow or I'm sorry Josh Allen when he

515
00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:16,520
Speaker 2: went to Buffalo, and then Tyreek Hill going to Miami.

516
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Speaker 2: When you think you get that guy like those elite receivers,

517
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Speaker 2: you add him to an offense, what can be possible? Yeah,

518
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Speaker 2: it does make it a little more intriguing. Marvers and

519
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Speaker 2: Harrison Junior, for example.

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Speaker 3: Don't disagree, but it was interesting. Both two of your

521
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Speaker 3: four examples. The impacts that they had. The biggest impacts

522
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Speaker 3: they had came long after they were drafted. Now, Stefan

523
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Speaker 3: Diggs had an impact in Minnesota, but not like he

524
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Speaker 3: did in Buffalo. And Tyreek Hill ended up turning into

525
00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:49,280
Speaker 3: really good in Kansas City, but they didn't know. I mean,

526
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Speaker 3: he was a third round pick, he had off field issues.

527
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Speaker 3: Jamar Chase is a top ten pick, but justin Jefferson

528
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Speaker 3: went eighteen. I think something like that twenty and you

529
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Speaker 3: could be in a situation where you could still spend

530
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Speaker 3: that first pick, whether it's three, four, five, whatever, on

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Speaker 3: something that's not a wide receiver. And in this very

532
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Speaker 3: very deep class of very good wide receivers. With that

533
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Speaker 3: Texans pick at eighteen, twenty twenty two, whatever it's going

534
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Speaker 3: to be, you could still get that guy now. Whether

535
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Speaker 3: he's ready to be that guy next year.

536
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Speaker 2: I don't know a Roma Dunesey out of Washington who

537
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Speaker 2: gets a lot of pub and maybe you know it

538
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Speaker 2: doesn't get nearly the same sort of spotlight as Marvin

539
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Speaker 2: Harrison Junior. But yeah, six ' three runs a four

540
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Speaker 2: to three five the Washington receiver.

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Speaker 3: I mean there again, from everything I've seen, as good

542
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Speaker 3: as Harrison is, and he's the best out of this class,

543
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Speaker 3: or will be when he announces, there are lots of

544
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Speaker 3: really good receivers that you can get in the first

545
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Speaker 3: two or three round.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. First, he might want to lose to Massoo at

547
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Speaker 4: the Common Bowl to be determined.

548
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Speaker 3: Do you think he's going to play in that game?

549
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Speaker 4: To be determined? Even if he doesn't play, he's part

550
00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:53,960
Speaker 4: of the team, Darren team first.

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Speaker 3: I have to say, as much as it I'm chagrined

552
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Speaker 3: to say this, You're what I I will say that

553
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Speaker 3: Drew Locke won me over last night with his post.

554
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Speaker 4: M I Z.

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Speaker 2: Sorry I missed it, missed it. I was too frustrated

556
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Speaker 2: with the Seahawks winning. You know, it's just uh not

557
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:15,399
Speaker 2: last week. There's some things I enjoy in the NFL.

558
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Speaker 2: I enjoy watching Sean Payton lose. I enjoy watching the

559
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Speaker 2: Twelves lose. And so at the very end there when

560
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:24,159
Speaker 2: the Seahawks pulled that out, I'm like, Okay, click, I

561
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Speaker 2: don't need any of thest especially in Seattle. I don't

562
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Speaker 2: need scheme you Fourie.

563
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Speaker 3: I'm not a I'm not a big Eagles dude, never

564
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Speaker 3: have been.

565
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Speaker 2: Yea Eagles will be in the top five.

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Speaker 4: You're starting to gap me the wrong way, especially if

567
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Speaker 4: I said that. I think my parents, my dad, not

568
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Speaker 4: my parents, My dad would disown me.

569
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Speaker 3: If what if you said what you didn't like the Eagles?

570
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Speaker 4: No, the opposite. Oh, I don't even want to say

571
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Speaker 4: it on the podcast.

572
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Speaker 3: Don't do it. I know he listens. He does.

573
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Speaker 2: By the way, how intriguing is that Philadelphia road trip? Now?

574
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Speaker 2: With the Eagles struggling El Grande and having fired their

575
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Speaker 2: well basically fire their defensive coordinator and put Matt Patricia

576
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Speaker 2: in and all the turmoil.

577
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Speaker 3: I'm really excited to see how much Jonathan Gann wants

578
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Speaker 3: to talk about it that that week.

579
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Speaker 2: Well, we won't get anything out of him. I'm curious.

580
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Speaker 2: I'm curious just the temperature in Philly. And I'm not

581
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:19,679
Speaker 2: talking about the sideline. I'm talking about Eagles fans maybe

582
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 2: didn't quite account for what they had when they lost

583
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:24,880
Speaker 2: Jonathan Gannay have a new found appreciation for their former

584
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Speaker 2: defensive coordator.

585
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Speaker 4: That's why I'm intrigued to see how he's received. We

586
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:31,640
Speaker 4: know that when he was hired by the Cardinals, there

587
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:34,320
Speaker 4: was nothing nice said about him, coming off that Super

588
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:37,719
Speaker 4: Bowl loss and using him as the scapegoat and everything

589
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:40,920
Speaker 4: they were saying. It seems like though online at least

590
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Speaker 4: some of those Philly fans are realizing what they have lost.

591
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Speaker 4: So does that But when they're faced with JG do

592
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 4: they forget about realizing what they've lost and they go

593
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Speaker 4: they resort back to the stereotypical Philly anger. That's what

594
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Speaker 4: I think will happen.

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Speaker 3: I don't want to chew up all our podcasts for

596
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Speaker 3: next week, though, Okay, well saying and we're gonna be

597
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 3: coming off of Christmas holidays and we're gonna have to

598
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 3: jam in our podcast with all these coaches talking next

599
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 3: year I just yeah.

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Speaker 2: That is true. Okay, all right, so let me get

601
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 2: back to the wide receiver issue, because you have three

602
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:17,640
Speaker 2: games to figure this out. And if, for example, I'm

603
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:23,440
Speaker 2: rondel Moore, same size, Yeah, I did get run into

604
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Speaker 2: by rondel Moore, you.

605
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Speaker 4: Know, in this time to get cold gez.

606
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Speaker 2: In this season of thanks, I do give thanks that

607
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Speaker 2: it was rondel Moore who hit me full speed on

608
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Speaker 2: the sideline and not Will Hernandez. Let me just say

609
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 2: that I do give thanks to the football gods this

610
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 2: season that it could have been a lot worse. But

611
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Speaker 2: like if I'm rondel Moore right now, I have three

612
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,479
Speaker 2: games to put some film out there because you know

613
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 2: it's gonna be an off season to change and once

614
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 2: again no allegiances from the new decision makers. And what

615
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:55,200
Speaker 2: did we hear going into last season that rondel Moore

616
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:57,880
Speaker 2: is a dynamic threat downfield. He's just not the line

617
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Speaker 2: of scrimmage horizontal guy, but he's got a full So

618
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 2: I mean they're looking. And now in the absence of

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Speaker 2: Hollywood Brown pending his availability, there is serious opportunity with

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Speaker 2: three games to go for number four and.

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Speaker 4: Hollywoo Brown's in a contract here. There's just a lot

622
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Speaker 4: of decisions that I think stem from what you want

623
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Speaker 4: to do with Brown in the future, because I think

624
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,399
Speaker 4: you need to bring somebody else in. Maybe that is

625
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 4: a Michael Wilson if he can stay healthy, to really

626
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Speaker 4: allow Brown to do what he does best and be

627
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:29,880
Speaker 4: more of that one A one B type receiver rather

628
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,439
Speaker 4: than a true number one receiver. He does give you

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Speaker 4: that routree, he gives you the speed, he gives you

630
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Speaker 4: those things you want, and that type of receiver. I

631
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Speaker 4: just think you need another true number one opposite of him,

632
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Speaker 4: unless you think with Michael Wilson being healthy, he could

633
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Speaker 4: be that supplemental piece. Realistically, do you need three small,

634
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 4: speedy receivers now? Moore has a little bit of a

635
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 4: different skill set being able to come out of the

636
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Speaker 4: backfield the way that he does. Greg Dortch has been

637
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 4: your receiver and has been playing well and his number

638
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,719
Speaker 4: has been called this season. So if you want Dortsch

639
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:07,720
Speaker 4: to be your special teams or special teams guy, do

640
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 4: you need Dortsch and more? If you're not really getting

641
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 4: a lot out of more right now?

642
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 3: To me?

643
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Speaker 4: But again, if you decide not to sign Brown, you

644
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Speaker 4: keep more maybe for the speed and those long balls.

645
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Speaker 4: I just think there's a lot of decisions that have

646
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Speaker 4: been made. I really think they all come down to

647
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Speaker 4: what you want to do with Hollywood Brown.

648
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Speaker 3: I thought this was interesting, and I was watching for

649
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Speaker 3: the interception Throne toward when he was going to McBride,

650
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 3: but watching that entire fourth down play, and you know,

651
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Speaker 3: you made me think of it when you brought up

652
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Speaker 3: Greg Dortch, who I think has really performed well when

653
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 3: he's gotten opportunities. But we've heard from two different coaching

654
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 3: staffs about inconsistencies. Right, And then I watched that play.

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Speaker 3: It was fourth and three. I believe it was Hollywood.

656
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Speaker 3: I believe it was Hollywood, and Dorsch ran crossers near

657
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 3: the line to gain, and then Trey McBride was beyond that, right,

658
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 3: But when Dorsch ran his crosser, he was like a

659
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 3: yard and a half inside the line to game like

660
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 3: he wasn't And it reminds me of Houston, where he wasn't.

661
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:18,959
Speaker 3: And I'm like, I looked at that and I don't know,

662
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 3: I don't know. I'm just but like when I hear

663
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 3: coaches saying you need to be more consistent, is that

664
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 3: one of those things like, man, we needed we're gonna

665
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 3: need three yards and you go out and you're running

666
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:30,720
Speaker 3: one and a half yards downfield, two yards downfield, Like

667
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 3: that's the kind of stuff that you just can't do.

668
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 3: And I wonder sometimes if when they talk about consistency,

669
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 3: if that's the kind of stuff they're talking about.

670
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure. Look to me, you know, I just

671
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 2: respect the style and intensity that Greg Dorsch plays with.

672
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 3: I agree.

673
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:50,720
Speaker 2: You know, when you exist on the edge of the

674
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 2: roster your entire career, you play with that edge, and

675
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 2: he has that in games, which I just enjoy watching,

676
00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:00,239
Speaker 2: and his ability to make guys miss just ridiculous. When

677
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 2: you get him the ball, you know, that punt returner

678
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 2: in him comes out. He's making guys miss and he's

679
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 2: dodging and all the head fakes and everything. You know,

680
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 2: you get back to a Hollywood Brown. It was interesting

681
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 2: to hear him tell the media last week in front

682
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 2: of his locker that he's at peace with his season,

683
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 2: even though the numbers aren't there, the production isn't there.

684
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 2: He knows that he's been winning on film.

685
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 3: Now.

686
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 2: A lot of it had to do with pre Kyler

687
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 2: and three four maybe even five deep shots that easily

688
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 2: could have been a touchdowns and they didn't connect, and

689
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 2: balls were overthrown or thrown out of bounds and been

690
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 2: on film. So to get back to your point, Danny,

691
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 2: in the offseason, what do you do if you're an

692
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 2: NFL team and Marquise Hollywood Brown is a free agent.

693
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 2: The numbers aren't there. What sort of numbers is he

694
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 2: going to want in the paycheck department, contract department? But

695
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 2: is his value suppressed by the fact he didn't have

696
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 2: those numbers and stats? But if you're in a stute GM,

697
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 2: you watch the film. You watch every game this year

698
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 2: he's winning on film.

699
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 4: He was winning on film, And I think that's part

700
00:31:57,680 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 4: of the reason why his stats don't reflect the type

701
00:31:59,920 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 4: of season he's had. Is not to put the blame

702
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 4: on one person. The connection with Josh Dobbs was not there,

703
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:07,959
Speaker 4: and the throws were not accurate enough or didn't have

704
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 4: enough power to reach him. That's why I'm saying I'm

705
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 4: under I would like to see Hollywood Brown come back.

706
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 4: I would think it would make more sense at this

707
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 4: point of maybe you do a one year prove it

708
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 4: deal just because he was dealing with an injury last

709
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 4: year as well, and this heel that's been nagging him,

710
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:27,719
Speaker 4: and again the changing of quarterbacks this year. Maybe they

711
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 4: come to an agreement of maybe this is where Brown

712
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 4: wants to be and wants to be with Kyler and

713
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 4: where this organization is heading, and maybe it ends up

714
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 4: working out nicely for both parties of you have like

715
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 4: a prove it deal and you go from there.

716
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 3: I've talked to Hollywood before, and he does really like

717
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 3: this coaching staff, and I think I do think if

718
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 3: he was given the choice, he would prefer to stay here.

719
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 3: I don't know what's going to happen with this contract situation.

720
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 3: I do know if you start talking about prove it deals,

721
00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 3: usually if you're a guy doing approve it deal, you

722
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 3: want to be in a position where you know you're

723
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 3: going to be able to put up put up big numbers.

724
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 3: You've got Trey McBride here now, and the reality is

725
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 3: is they're probably going to go draft a receiver high.

726
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 3: So are you going to get those kinds of opportunities

727
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 3: to prove it quote unquote and get another big contract?

728
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 3: I don't know. I mean, these are these are the

729
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 3: questions that every player has to ask himself.

730
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 4: I'm also curious to know with Michael Wilson not having

731
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 4: a catch. I believe he had maybe three targets.

732
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 3: It was three three for him and four.

733
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 1: Is that?

734
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 4: Is that how the game was unfolding? Is that the

735
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 4: game plan? Because with his size, you should be able

736
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 4: to throw the ball his way and he should be

737
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 4: able to win those battles. That's the question I have

738
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 4: is why are you not not forcing it? Why are

739
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 4: you not finding Wilson and making sure that he's the

740
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 4: way you're going if he's open enough for a contested throw.

741
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 2: Especially the game he had against the forty nine.

742
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 4: Ers in week at two touchdowns, but he was.

743
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:00,160
Speaker 2: You hadn't played in what a month? So I was

744
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 2: there a Russ factor game with Kyler?

745
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 4: Two right? Second game?

746
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 2: Second game with Kyler, second game with I think.

747
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:09,879
Speaker 3: He was able to play. He missed three and then

748
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 3: came back for one, right, or missed one and then

749
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 3: came back and then missed three, whatever it was.

750
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 2: You know, there's all these ridiculous proc perty stats. Here

751
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 2: was one that throws outside the numbers. He's eleven to

752
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 2: seventeen this year for one sixty eight three touchdowns. This

753
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 2: is outside the numbers, and you know that's missing right

754
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 2: now from the Cardinals pass game. You know, most of

755
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 2: the production seems to be coming in between the numbers, which.

756
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 3: Is hilarious because if you remember the last couple of years,

757
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 3: everybody was complaining about how all the Cardinals did was

758
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 3: throw outside the numbers and there was nothing down the middle.

759
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 2: And so you finished my thought and but no, no,

760
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:47,879
Speaker 2: that's good. I mean, we got a two man game

761
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 2: going here. It's good this. You know we're in sync here,

762
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 2: bod wouldn't Michael Wilson be that guy? Because when you're

763
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 2: throwing outside the numbers and you're throwing to five foot

764
00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 2: eight Rondel Moore, Greg Dortch, you know what, Hollywood even,

765
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 2: you know, the odds just are significantly reduced as opposed

766
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:08,360
Speaker 2: to your throwing to six foot two Michael Wilson towards

767
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 2: the numbers. He's that guy who can reel in that

768
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 2: catch and you have more of a target area that

769
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:15,279
Speaker 2: you can throw to if you're Kyler Murray. So I

770
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 2: just to finish I thought on Michael Wilson, you know,

771
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:21,319
Speaker 2: more targets outside, please, because he seems to do a

772
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 2: real good job with his size of getting between the

773
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 2: dB and the football.

774
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 3: Again, I would have to see what the receivers are

775
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:33,399
Speaker 3: doing and what options they had, and did Kyler have opportunities.

776
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:36,360
Speaker 3: I do know this, I don't think not throwing to

777
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 3: the wide receivers is why they lost to the forty

778
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:40,799
Speaker 3: nine ers. They did score twenty nine points, and as

779
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 3: Jonathan Ganna made the point, like in game, when you're

780
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:45,799
Speaker 3: moving the ball like they're moving, you're thinking we got

781
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 3: to score in the red zone and not turn it over.

782
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 3: You're not thinking, oh man, the receivers don't have any catches.

783
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 3: And I'll be honest, I didn't think much about it

784
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 3: either until late in the game, because why would you.

785
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 4: And again, when you have a receiver, not a wide,

786
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:02,720
Speaker 4: true ride wide receiver, but a receiver like McBride who's

787
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,840
Speaker 4: able to be reliable and reel those catches in, I

788
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 4: wan't to understand why that's not top of your mind.

789
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:10,840
Speaker 2: I mean, you know the outcome of the game. You

790
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,279
Speaker 2: just can't make that many mistakes against the forty nine

791
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 2: ers and have a realistic shot at winning. You can't

792
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:18,760
Speaker 2: throw the pick six, you can't leave two receivers wide open.

793
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:21,319
Speaker 2: You know, an assignment or alignment errors or whatever it

794
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:23,880
Speaker 2: was that left Christian McCaffrey wide open on a forty

795
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 2: one yard grab where he falls down and gets up, and.

796
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:28,920
Speaker 3: They were lucky. They didn't lose any of those five fumbles.

797
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 2: So you know, nothing bounced your way. So the way

798
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 2: things played out, if they would have got one of

799
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:39,239
Speaker 2: those breaks, maybe there's something different or at least as

800
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 2: a much closer margin. But you got to figure out

801
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 2: the forty nine ers. They've won twelve straight games in

802
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 2: the division. Rock Purty isn't going away. He's eight to

803
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:50,880
Speaker 2: zero in the division in his career now against the

804
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:54,439
Speaker 2: NFC Wes with nineteen touchdown passes and two picks. He's

805
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:57,800
Speaker 2: a problem for the division. So you got to figure

806
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:01,399
Speaker 2: this out because, like we talked about last week, I'm

807
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 2: not sweating the rest of the NFC playoff picture, a

808
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 2: bunch of teams that are around five hundred. I mean,

809
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 2: Cardinals can get there next year and play be a

810
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:10,319
Speaker 2: playoff contender. I think the big question for me is

811
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 2: going into next season as they add more talent to

812
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 2: this roster, it's just okay, how do you compete against

813
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 2: your division, in particular the Niners and Rams.

814
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:22,359
Speaker 4: It's interesting I haven't been covering an NFC West team

815
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 4: nearly as long as the two of you. It seems

816
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 4: like every other team has really found a stretch of success.

817
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 4: Seattle has had a stretch of success. The Rams maybe

818
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:36,399
Speaker 4: not as long, but had a little bit of you know,

819
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:39,399
Speaker 4: they were powerful. Now it seems like the forty nine ers.

820
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 4: It's just the forty nine ers are the standard you

821
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 4: are trying to reach. But this division as a whole,

822
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 4: it seems like the Cardinals need to consistently not just

823
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 4: streaming games together in a season, but start stringing seasons

824
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 4: together of truly being competitive. If you're looking for a

825
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 4: bright spot, Arizona was competitive for the first half, just

826
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,239
Speaker 4: further the game went on, the further San Francisco ran

827
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 4: away with it. I think a lot of that was

828
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 4: their own errors, talking about penalties or you know, the interception,

829
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 4: the pick six, and then you move on to the

830
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 4: defense you were talking about Paul the Deebo, Samuel and

831
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 4: Christian McCaffrey wide open touchdowns. But I liked that this

832
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:23,279
Speaker 4: team was competitive. I like the decisions, the decision to

833
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:25,799
Speaker 4: go for it on fourth and three, obviously not the

834
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 4: decision that had ended in a pick six. But knowing

835
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 4: you're going up against this potent offense and you're gonna

836
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:33,479
Speaker 4: have to put points on the board and you're gonna

837
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 4: have to do your part. So I'm overall I'm okay, right, Like,

838
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 4: I think there were some good spots you saw from

839
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:44,399
Speaker 4: this offense and the defense, and then it just kind

840
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:47,719
Speaker 4: of I think to a certain extent, the forty nine

841
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 4: ers are also just that good because because really, besides

842
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 4: Christian McCaffrey, who was their leading rusher and receiver, none

843
00:38:56,000 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 4: of the other offensive players really killed you explosive place.

844
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:03,759
Speaker 4: It was a thirty five yard to George Kittle, it

845
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:06,920
Speaker 4: was a twenty two yard to Deebo, Brandon Ayuk right,

846
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 4: Christian McCaffrey in a nineteen yard run, So it was

847
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:13,319
Speaker 4: really just Christian McCaffrey, who was the main guy who

848
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 4: really just kind of messed you up.

849
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 3: They had like twenty less plays than the Cardinals.

850
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 4: I mean, they were their scoring drives went by in

851
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 4: a flash.

852
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 2: But see that's the difference right now in the two offenses.

853
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 2: The Niners have that big play capability, the big strike,

854
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:31,239
Speaker 2: the four place, seventy yard touchdown drive they have that

855
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 2: the Cardinals don't. When the Cardinals get into the end zone,

856
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:36,359
Speaker 2: it's usually ten, twelve, fifteen plays. They don't have that

857
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 2: big strike, big play.

858
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 4: And getting stalled in the red zone. That was something

859
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 4: that Kyler talked about post game. Both teams had six

860
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:45,720
Speaker 4: scoring drives. It's just that the Cardinals struggled to find

861
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 4: the end zone consistently. It was having to go to

862
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:48,879
Speaker 4: a lot of field goals.

863
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 3: It was funny because when they went on the pick six,

864
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 3: which of course was a fourth and three, I had

865
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:58,360
Speaker 3: a lot of people complaining that they were even going

866
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:02,240
Speaker 3: for it, and I'm like, you've got to score touchdowns

867
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 3: that you can't be punning the ball away to this team.

868
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:06,880
Speaker 3: You're going to give up points. I had no problem

869
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 3: with them going for it there. Obviously you want to

870
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:10,800
Speaker 3: see them execute it, but I had no problem with

871
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 3: them going making the choice to go for it there.

872
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 3: And the funny thing was I actually had somebody bring

873
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 3: up kicking field goals in the red zone and instead

874
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 3: of going trying to get touchdowns late in the game,

875
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 3: and before I could say anything, somebody else chimed in

876
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:27,959
Speaker 3: on Twitter and said, well wait a minute, wait a minute,

877
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:30,759
Speaker 3: a minute. Like three weeks ago, everybody was complaining that

878
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 3: Jonathan Gannon was going for it too much and not

879
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:35,719
Speaker 3: kicking the field goals. Now he's kicking the field goals,

880
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:37,880
Speaker 3: and now you're doing it wrong. I mean again, you

881
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 3: can't win.

882
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:42,239
Speaker 2: By the way, the stat on Matt Prater right now,

883
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 2: after that fifty eight yard surface to air missile. In

884
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 2: his last eighteen games, he's now thirteen of fifteen from

885
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 2: fifty plus.

886
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:55,759
Speaker 4: Think about that, right, It's almost like I feel a

887
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 4: little jaded when I see Praider going out there and

888
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:00,440
Speaker 4: the special teams, you know, going out there for fifty

889
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 4: eight yard field goal, and it's not like, oh, let me,

890
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:04,799
Speaker 4: let me perk up a little bit and see if

891
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:06,919
Speaker 4: he's able to pull this off. I'm just kind of like, okay, yeah,

892
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 4: let's see, which I know is not great. You should

893
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:11,360
Speaker 4: not get used to that, right. A lot of teams

894
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 4: don't have that luxury. Is just what Prader has been

895
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:17,400
Speaker 4: able to do so consistently here in Arizona and throughout

896
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:17,840
Speaker 4: his career.

897
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:20,720
Speaker 3: Okay, here's here's the non bet bet.

898
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 4: Okay, I'm not allowed to bet.

899
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:27,799
Speaker 3: Darren does not even a whole paycheck. No, does Matt

900
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:31,439
Speaker 3: Prater kick a field goal of at least fifty three

901
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:33,280
Speaker 3: yards in either of the next two games.

902
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 4: Yes, with weather, Yes, I think they're gonna let him

903
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:43,400
Speaker 4: try it. He's gonna want to, I say, yes, okay.

904
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 2: And here's the thing about him. He's been in the

905
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:47,880
Speaker 2: league long enough. He knows all the wind patterns in

906
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 2: all the stadiums. It's it's ridiculous.

907
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 3: I believe that.

908
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:53,800
Speaker 2: It's like, Okay, here, we're going to the meteorologist update

909
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 2: desks with Matt Prater, and he'll tell you exactly about

910
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 2: the wind shear and where it's coming out of each

911
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 2: end zone and which flags he's looking at. Like in Cleveland,

912
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 2: he looks at what he calls the Phil Dawson flag.

913
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 2: Phil Dawson put a flag up in one corner of

914
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 2: the end zone. He doesn't look at the top of

915
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 2: the goalpost, so he looks at the top coming off anything,

916
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:11,880
Speaker 2: and so that's what he'll look at. He has that

917
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 2: sort of innate knowledge. Now, after two decades in.

918
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 4: The league, Crater honestly has made a great case for

919
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 4: himself to go to the Pro Bowl. Oh heck, yeah,

920
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:22,400
Speaker 4: there are a couple players, but I think he and

921
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 4: Trey McBride probably arguably that the most likely to go

922
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:29,719
Speaker 4: from the Cardinals, which if you can agree, you can

923
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:32,720
Speaker 4: go vote on Easycardinals dot com or I think social

924
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:35,240
Speaker 4: media voting is still open if you use the hashtag

925
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:37,239
Speaker 4: Pro Bowl vote with their name. Just go to the

926
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 4: Cardinals Twitter and retweet.

927
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 3: I think the problem with McBride at this point is

928
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:42,400
Speaker 3: going to be he's probably gonna have to get in

929
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 3: as an alternate. I don't see him being above Kittle

930
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:48,240
Speaker 3: or Hockinson or Laporta, who's had a great year with Detroit.

931
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:51,759
Speaker 3: I don't know what all the kicker situations are in

932
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:53,400
Speaker 3: the NFC, especially.

933
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 2: That Dallas kicker gets a lot around.

934
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 3: I mean, because he hasn't missed a field goal on

935
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 3: like twenty eight tries.

936
00:42:57,760 --> 00:42:59,799
Speaker 2: I mean he's good. Yeah, he's good. I don't know

937
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:03,240
Speaker 2: the season. Yeah, I don't know how those numbers compare.

938
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 2: But he had that primetime game where he hit a

939
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 2: couple of fifty plus yarders, right, So he got a

940
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:11,319
Speaker 2: lot of attention with that. So but I still love

941
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:13,840
Speaker 2: the bgo Jalai and Big Red rage last month and

942
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:16,360
Speaker 2: Wolf asked him who's the baddest dude in that locker room?

943
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 2: And Ojelai immediately answered Matt Prader just he's got that

944
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 2: look of an assassin. He's just just this cold look

945
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 2: all the time he locked in.

946
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 3: Do you ever wonder because we know how the locker

947
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:31,799
Speaker 3: room is laid out and the outside linebackers are on

948
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 3: that side where the kicker is and everything, like, do

949
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 3: you ever wonder? Like in those kinds of circumstances, like

950
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 3: Bjo Jelai is much more likely to say Matt Prader

951
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 3: because they're in that like they're in the same neighborhood.

952
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:45,880
Speaker 3: But like if you if you ask somebody on the

953
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:48,320
Speaker 3: other side, you know what I'm saying, it's a good experiment.

954
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:50,760
Speaker 4: You might have to ask that question every big red rage.

955
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 2: Well, it's also twenty one year old Bijo Jelauri looking

956
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 2: at nearly forty year old Matt Praterer. So I don't

957
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:56,920
Speaker 2: know if that has something to do with it, Like

958
00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:57,359
Speaker 2: what are you're.

959
00:43:57,239 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 3: Trying to say? Forty? Is I mean, is that term

960
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:00,359
Speaker 3: some kind of implication from there?

961
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:02,880
Speaker 2: Paul, don't look at me. I'm you know what, I

962
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 2: can't relate to forty.

963
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 4: It's like, look, it's like if someone were to ask me,

964
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 4: I would say the two of you, right, the age

965
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 4: difference sitting here by the two of you.

966
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 2: It's like Danny and.

967
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 4: BJ Matt Prater and the two of you. That's a commiment, Darren,

968
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:15,799
Speaker 4: don't look at me that way.

969
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:17,720
Speaker 2: It sounds like a good time to bring up again

970
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:19,839
Speaker 2: that Danny will be on the sideline and there's rain

971
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 2: in the forecast and it's expected to be cool now.

972
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 2: Unlike the last time the Cardinals played in Chicago in

973
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 2: twenty twenty one, we got rained down the entire game

974
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 2: down there, all right, So.

975
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 4: I didn't travel to that game, And I remember when

976
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 4: you came back and show me your notebook. I just

977
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 4: felt so bad for you, Paul.

978
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 2: Not fun no, but you know, I remember the most

979
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 2: of that game, though, was the one handed grab by

980
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 2: James Connor, the one and the coaching staff trailing him

981
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 2: all the way down the sideline sprinting after him, just

982
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:49,959
Speaker 2: a euphoric that he made that sort of ridiculous catch.

983
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:52,840
Speaker 2: There was also the fourth down touchdown pass where Kyler

984
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:55,760
Speaker 2: just threw it up at the pylon for d Hop's.

985
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 3: Early in the game catch where everybody's like, why are

986
00:44:58,040 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 3: you going for this? Right? Kick the field goal right?

987
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:02,720
Speaker 2: A audacity of the play call, and then the play

988
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 2: choice right, shun the field goal, go for the end zone,

989
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 2: and then you're gonna call that play and they converted it.

990
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:12,359
Speaker 2: So we'll see what the what the bears are all

991
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:12,799
Speaker 2: about here?

992
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 3: Are you nervous at all?

993
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:13,879
Speaker 4: Paul?

994
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 3: I mean, I know you've done this before in the

995
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:18,319
Speaker 3: regular season, but are you nervous at all? And if not,

996
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:19,359
Speaker 3: can we get you there?

997
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 2: There's always serious trepidation when I fill in for day Pash.

998
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:24,719
Speaker 2: Pash calls more games than a week than I do

999
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:27,439
Speaker 2: all year. Okay, he's a top five play by play

1000
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:29,920
Speaker 2: man on the planet. So all the haters on Twitter

1001
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:32,879
Speaker 2: go easy. Okay, I'm certainly no poly Pash. He makes

1002
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 2: it look and sound really easy. I'm here to prove

1003
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:40,919
Speaker 2: it isn't capeche capiche. So we'll see. I got yeah,

1004
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:42,239
Speaker 2: I got a lot of work ahead of me here

1005
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:44,279
Speaker 2: before travel Sunday night.

1006
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:47,320
Speaker 4: Not home home, but travel to a familiar place.

1007
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1008
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 2: I already got some places picked out. You know, we'll see

1009
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 2: if I'm gonna drag Wolf's Keister over to Twin Anchors

1010
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 2: for some ribs, We're gonna do that. It's been there

1011
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:57,360
Speaker 2: since the thirties. It's a rib joint over in the

1012
00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 2: Old Town area, and so I might do that. We'll see.

1013
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe maybe some Deep Dish show. You know,

1014
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:05,239
Speaker 2: you could do Deep Dish for breakfast on Sunday before

1015
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:06,279
Speaker 2: the game. It's a late kick.

1016
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 4: I can have like one slice of Deep Dish and

1017
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:12,239
Speaker 4: that's good for the year for me, good for the year.

1018
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:17,920
Speaker 4: So maybe this is really slow digestion. H It's just

1019
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:20,400
Speaker 4: it's not a favorite. So that's too much for me.

1020
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, so Danny, you're good forget about me

1021
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:25,840
Speaker 2: being nervous. Danny, you know what.

1022
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:28,319
Speaker 4: I've got my coat, Paul, I'm gonna be fine. I'm

1023
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:30,920
Speaker 4: gonna try and dress warm. I need to get I

1024
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:33,399
Speaker 4: know they make handwarmers. I need to get, like footwarmers.

1025
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 4: That's what I'm most worried about. My toes go numb

1026
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:38,840
Speaker 4: so fast. Is that a thing? Is that like a legit?

1027
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 4: I don't know.

1028
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 3: Can we just get the handwarmers and stick them in

1029
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 3: your shoes?

1030
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 1: No?

1031
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:45,720
Speaker 4: I think they make them that are for your shoes.

1032
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:47,720
Speaker 4: I don't know that that's safe to be walking around

1033
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:48,880
Speaker 4: on handwarmers.

1034
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:50,920
Speaker 3: Probably not, but I wouldn't do it. I'm going to

1035
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 3: be in the press box, so I want to.

1036
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:54,799
Speaker 2: Leave fine, So I'll leave you with these partying words.

1037
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 2: Somebody tweeted at me it was earlier this year. I

1038
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:58,879
Speaker 2: forget what the game was. I was probably whinding about

1039
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:01,360
Speaker 2: the weather, and he said, hey, cal VC for the

1040
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:04,920
Speaker 2: December games coming up. My German co workers have a

1041
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:08,280
Speaker 2: same There's no bad weather, there's just bad clothes.

1042
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 3: Oh. I like that.

1043
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 4: Okay, And that'll do it for this edition.

1044
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 3: At Cardinals Underground, we'll get you that picture of Danny's jacket.

1045
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 4: Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays.

1046
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:21,840
Speaker 2: Every night it'll have its own seat on Redbird one.