1 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 1: Ah, beaut force. If it doesn't work, you're just not 2 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:25,440 Speaker 1: using enough. You're listening to Software Radio, Special Operations, military 3 00:00:25,520 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 1: news and straight talk with the guys and the community. 4 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:14,199 Speaker 1: Socrep dot com on time on Target, Uh, it's gotta 5 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:17,119 Speaker 1: here with Jack Murphy. People seem to enjoy the last 6 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 1: episode with Alex Hollings. And what I noticed was it 7 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 1: looks like it inspired an article out of Alex on 8 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:26,639 Speaker 1: Star Trek because I went to socrep dot com today 9 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:30,759 Speaker 1: and of course they see a Star Trek related piece 10 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:33,959 Speaker 1: by Alex. Well, did you see that one of his 11 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:37,560 Speaker 1: articles that he wrote about Arctic security, um was actually 12 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 1: read basically, point by point in front of Congress. That's awesome, 13 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:45,120 Speaker 1: it was. I believe it was. Oh my gosh, was 14 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 1: a congressman or a senator from Alaska? Um? He uh? 15 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 1: He basically looked at Alex's article and they called Alex 16 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 1: up and they're like, is it okay if we you know, 17 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 1: lean on your material, um, you know for this congressional 18 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:03,000 Speaker 1: it and yeah, they basically read his work out loud. 19 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 1: That's very front of Congress for testimony. UM. So I mean, yeah, 20 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:09,800 Speaker 1: I'm proud of him. He's doing great work. I would 21 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:12,400 Speaker 1: think that's you know, a huge genre that shows that 22 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 1: people respect your journalistic integrity. It is. I'm slightly miffed 23 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:20,920 Speaker 1: because I wrote about Arctic security like three years ago 24 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:24,120 Speaker 1: and no one cared at all. Alex jumps in there 25 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:26,640 Speaker 1: and he's made real headway and gotten some people to 26 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 1: take notice. So I'm super happy for him, and I'm 27 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:33,799 Speaker 1: happy that that particular issue. It's it's an obscure issue 28 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 1: that is easy to forget and ignore, um, But if 29 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 1: you go and read Alex's work, um, you'll see it. 30 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 1: It has really really big national security implications. Yeah, that's 31 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 1: that's what happens. It's all timing. I think, if if 32 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:49,639 Speaker 1: you wrote something at the right time and the right 33 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:52,640 Speaker 1: person picks it up. There. There's also been increased awareness. 34 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 1: There's been more and more people talking about Arctic security 35 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 1: the last couple of years. Uh, it's the same. Actually, 36 00:02:57,919 --> 00:02:59,959 Speaker 1: even more so than that is the issue of China. 37 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 1: If we had talked about China, um, And when we 38 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:05,800 Speaker 1: did talk about China four years ago, no one cared, 39 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:08,360 Speaker 1: No one paid any attention to that. But it's been 40 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:10,080 Speaker 1: a theme, I guess you could say in the in 41 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 1: the media. Now more and more people are talking about 42 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 1: China as a rising power, as a potential peer that 43 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 1: could challenge the United States. UM. So there's much much 44 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 1: more awareness of that issue now than there was just 45 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:26,960 Speaker 1: you know, even just two years ago. I think. So 46 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:29,799 Speaker 1: I'm happy about that. I'm glad people are talking about that. 47 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:32,919 Speaker 1: I remember I was on UM. I can't remember I 48 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 1: Fies on Sean Hannity's show or Andrew willcous Um. But 49 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 1: they did like a little like round robin with all 50 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 1: the people who are there, and they said, what is 51 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 1: America's biggest national security concern? Everyone's terrorism isis al Qaeda terrorism? 52 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 1: And I was the one person that's like China. People 53 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 1: looked at me like, guys crazy or how about UM? 54 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 1: I should say probably when I'm thinking it was not 55 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 1: the last presidential election, the presidential election before that Russia. Uh. 56 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 1: And people laughed at Mitt Romney exactly because I was 57 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 1: gonna say. Phil Lavanti, who we had on last week, 58 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 1: he put up on Instagram the picture of I think 59 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 1: the Democrats put it out, but it was a quote. 60 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:18,159 Speaker 1: It was it was from Romney talking about Russia, and 61 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 1: it was a quote from John Kerry saying Mitt Romney 62 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:24,480 Speaker 1: talks about Russia like you know, this is rocky for 63 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 1: was that the one with Draga and and yeah, Phil 64 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:31,720 Speaker 1: was like this has not aged very well. Yeah, it's 65 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:34,040 Speaker 1: it's frustrating for me not they like take it all 66 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:37,800 Speaker 1: political because there's not just myself but a lot of 67 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 1: other people out there, and you know who cover national 68 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:45,800 Speaker 1: security warning about Russia and Russian influence operations and Russian propaganda, 69 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:49,359 Speaker 1: and I think the left would generally brush all of 70 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:51,839 Speaker 1: that off. You guys are crazy. You're living in the 71 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:54,920 Speaker 1: Cold War and actually we're not living in the Cold War. 72 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 1: We're living in eighteen where we're not fighting a cold war. 73 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:02,160 Speaker 1: We're fighting a new type of different warfare. UM. And 74 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:05,159 Speaker 1: it seems like, you know, the Democrats have seized on 75 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 1: this issue only because of Donald Trump. I wish they 76 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 1: had seized on this issue because it's a legitimate national 77 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:13,920 Speaker 1: security issue that we should focus on regardless of who 78 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:17,800 Speaker 1: the president is. UM. So that's kind of frustrating. Yeah, 79 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:21,280 Speaker 1: I'm an agreement on that. UM. And of course before 80 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 1: we get to George Handle, I'm excited to have on 81 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:26,800 Speaker 1: I wanted to mention UM and hopefully I'm pronouncing it right. 82 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:30,920 Speaker 1: Bill who went by wild Bill Gardner, who was a 83 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 1: World War Two vet, but was one of the guys 84 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 1: portrayed in Band of Brothers. Um died on Saturday at 85 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 1: the age of ninety. His son confirmed Sunday that his 86 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 1: father died at Jefferson University Hospital in Philadelphia. UH. He 87 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:47,240 Speaker 1: was born in Philadelphia, Philadelphia native n c O with 88 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 1: the legendary Easy Company, Second Battalion, five six Parachute Infantry 89 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:56,599 Speaker 1: Regiment in the First Airborne Division during World War Two. Um, 90 00:05:56,880 --> 00:06:00,599 Speaker 1: and it feels like every few weeks we're losing another 91 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 1: one of these World War Two vets. I've mentioned so 92 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:06,280 Speaker 1: many of them on recent shows. And that's actually why 93 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 1: it's important with guys out there like Steve Alostierry and 94 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 1: Special Operations dot Com interviewing them, because I hate to 95 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 1: say it, in the next five years, just about all 96 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 1: of them, it won't be with us. We're you know, 97 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 1: we're lucky that we've had these gentlemen with us as 98 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:21,680 Speaker 1: long as we as we have. I mean, so he 99 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:24,160 Speaker 1: was born in ninety three, he was a young man 100 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 1: in forty four. Um died at the age of ninety. 101 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 1: But you know, he lived a good long life and UH, 102 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 1: and he lived life, you know, for real, I mean 103 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 1: helped defeat the Nazis and basically save the world. I mean, 104 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 1: he was one of those guys who contributed to that 105 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 1: airborne invasion of Normandy. UM. So it's you know, we 106 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 1: were very, very lucky to have people of this caliber. Yeah. 107 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:53,559 Speaker 1: I said it on the show with Steve Um. But yeah, 108 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 1: I've met probably a dozen or so World World War 109 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:02,599 Speaker 1: two UM veterans and and as well as Holocaust survivors, 110 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 1: And every time I meet them, I really try to 111 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:08,840 Speaker 1: cherish that because like when your daughter is a teenager, 112 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 1: she's not gonna get to meet these guys. Yeah. Yeah, 113 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 1: I mean when I was a kid, I got to 114 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 1: meet a few. Um. We had a family friend who 115 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 1: would have Thanksgiving with us every year, you know, come 116 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 1: for Christmas. Really nice guy named Gus. And Gus he 117 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 1: arrived in Normandy I think four days after the landing. 118 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:29,119 Speaker 1: UM and he was so he was in France fighting 119 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 1: the Nazis and got his foot basically blown off I 120 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:33,680 Speaker 1: think it was hanging by a thread and they had 121 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 1: to reattach it Um. So he was one of the 122 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 1: people I knew he still had Nazi shrapnel in his 123 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 1: ankle his whole life. UM, and it would get you know, 124 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 1: on a hot day in the summer, his ankle would like, 125 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 1: you know, inflate because it was getting agitated. I mean, 126 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 1: that's a that's wild. And I had met other World 127 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 1: War Two veterans. Um. You know, there's a guy who 128 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 1: lived down the street from me who he U He 129 00:07:57,480 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 1: had fought in the Pacific. His brother was a pilot 130 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 1: who was shot down. He parachuted at the plane, was 131 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 1: captured by the Nazis in Europe, and survived a Nazi 132 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 1: pow camp. I mean, those experiences, I mean, it's there's 133 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 1: just something so profoundly different when you look a person 134 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 1: in the eye and they're they're like and especially those 135 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 1: World War Two guys are so hesitant to tell you 136 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 1: anything about what happened in the war. They didn't want 137 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:24,240 Speaker 1: to talk about it. The most recent guy I met 138 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 1: from that era was a Holocaust survivor who actually was 139 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 1: not Jewish, but his dad was a doctor and like 140 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 1: for that reason they captured him and you know, his 141 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 1: son survived, uh. And he was telling me, and we 142 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 1: had him on Senator Bradley Show, but he talked about 143 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:42,719 Speaker 1: that he not only escaped the Holocaust, he also escaped Communism. 144 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 1: After that, So it was the house of horrors. I mean, 145 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 1: that's what Europe was during those years. Most people who 146 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:51,960 Speaker 1: were in Ukraine, Hungary, all those kind of countries they 147 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 1: dealt with. The Nazis came through, and the Nazi extermination programs, 148 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:58,680 Speaker 1: and then the Communists they blew through and they started 149 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 1: their programs and destroyed his land. He talked about, and 150 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 1: he was saying, like I grew up. It's just the 151 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 1: interesting thing to hear, Like He's like, I got to 152 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:12,440 Speaker 1: hear Hitler speeches on the radio and Mussolini speeches. I 153 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 1: can't even begin to imagine. I mean, I I've met 154 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 1: you know, at least one one person I met in 155 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:20,680 Speaker 1: um italy Um telling me about how he remembers as 156 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 1: a child, Nazi's walking down the street like a Nazi uniform. 157 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 1: Like the only thing I can think of that I 158 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 1: can compare that too. That I have to compare to 159 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:30,679 Speaker 1: is like a scene in a movie when this is 160 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 1: an actual person remembers this. Yeah, I mean, well you'll 161 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:36,320 Speaker 1: get to say that that you did meet you know, 162 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 1: radical islamis that you I'm just saying, you know, I 163 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 1: don't I don't know what what that threat is going 164 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:45,440 Speaker 1: to be like fifty years from now, who knows, I 165 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 1: can say I got to sit at the table with 166 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:49,560 Speaker 1: people who are actively plotting to kill me. Well, the 167 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:51,679 Speaker 1: crazy one person you can say that you sat with, 168 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 1: it would definitely be a side. Yeah, that's a story. Yeah, yeah, 169 00:09:57,120 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 1: I was. It's funny you mentioned that because I was 170 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 1: just writing about, you know, recalling some of those experiences. 171 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:04,719 Speaker 1: But that was interesting and that was in the in 172 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 1: the middle of the war too. Yeah. Um, all right, 173 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:10,600 Speaker 1: So before we get to George, I do feel like, 174 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 1: you know, we've moved on from a lot of the 175 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:15,839 Speaker 1: controversy with the video that was posted. Everybody is aware 176 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:18,040 Speaker 1: of it. I thought that you wrote a great response 177 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:20,720 Speaker 1: to it. We talked about it on the last show, 178 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 1: and there's really nothing more to say. But I do 179 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 1: think this comment that you got is important because one 180 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:29,959 Speaker 1: of the two narratives that I've heard from people, um 181 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:33,319 Speaker 1: that are just completely untrue, that you know, you guys 182 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 1: did this for quick bait and to make money and 183 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 1: fame and fortune. And I heard one guy say, like, 184 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 1: how's that working out? You put up a yeah, put 185 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 1: up a video saying that you know, YouTube is a 186 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:45,480 Speaker 1: place where people make money, that's why it's posted. And 187 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:47,199 Speaker 1: you know, as we said on the last episode, the 188 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 1: video is not monetized, so that tells you something. It's 189 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:54,440 Speaker 1: just people using emotions to leave their understanding of the issue. 190 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 1: I mean, there aren't any facts in there. Yeah. And 191 00:10:56,679 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 1: then the other narrative was, you know, just generally families 192 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 1: are pitched and it's it is true to say there 193 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:05,839 Speaker 1: are family members who are not happy with the video, 194 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:08,680 Speaker 1: I have no doubt my mind, but it's that's not 195 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 1: the case. And the evidence is this comment. You know. Unfortunately, 196 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:17,040 Speaker 1: the video would be there with or without anything that 197 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:19,880 Speaker 1: we did or didn't do. UM. And I'm you know, 198 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 1: I know that sounds fatalistic, maybe even dismissive, but if 199 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:27,840 Speaker 1: we had not edited the propaganda, added that video and 200 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:30,840 Speaker 1: published it, what would have gone viral in the preceding 201 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 1: forty eight hours would have been the actual issis propaganda 202 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:37,920 Speaker 1: film UM, and people either either it would have hit 203 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 1: some other outlet or people would have just ended up 204 00:11:40,559 --> 00:11:44,200 Speaker 1: viewing it on live leak or the MEO. And you know, 205 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:47,720 Speaker 1: so this is kind of a classic case of shoot 206 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 1: the messenger UM. And you know, I think people are 207 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 1: more angry as I believe I said before that we 208 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:57,200 Speaker 1: published it more so than the existence of the video itself. 209 00:11:57,880 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 1: But without us, um, you know, it would be just 210 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 1: the propaganda video out there. Um without us if we 211 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:08,200 Speaker 1: were not around. If you know, if if I was 212 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 1: murdered the way some of our esteemed special forces brethren 213 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 1: have threatened to do to me and my family, UM, 214 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 1: it wouldn't make a difference. There would still be soldiers 215 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:20,680 Speaker 1: using helmet cams and combat. There would still be Isis 216 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 1: propaganda films. There would still be the Internet. Um. And 217 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:26,880 Speaker 1: for better or worse, that's not going to change. The 218 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:30,080 Speaker 1: operational environment will remain the same, and we have to 219 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:31,720 Speaker 1: find a way to come to terms with that. We're 220 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 1: not gonna be able to cocoon ourselves and isolate ourselves 221 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 1: from these things. But what we can do is try 222 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 1: to steer the narrative in another direction. We can try 223 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 1: to capture the message. Rather than let ISIS own that 224 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:47,720 Speaker 1: space and let them steer their message towards propaganda, we 225 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:51,800 Speaker 1: can redirect it and say, look, honor these guys sacrifice 226 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 1: and what they did and how they stood and fought, 227 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 1: Rather than ISIS was just gonna say, you know, whatever 228 00:12:56,720 --> 00:13:00,160 Speaker 1: their messages, we killed the Infidel blah blah blah. Um. 229 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 1: So I did get an email the other day, uh 230 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:09,320 Speaker 1: from James Moriarty. He's the father of Jimmy Moriarty who 231 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:11,400 Speaker 1: was one of the three Green Berets that was murdered 232 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:16,480 Speaker 1: in Jordan's a few years ago. And h James Mr Moriarty, 233 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:20,079 Speaker 1: he fought tooth and nail to have the video, the 234 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:24,840 Speaker 1: CCTV footage of the shooting of his son and the 235 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:27,560 Speaker 1: other Green Berets released because there was a lot of 236 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:30,679 Speaker 1: lives out there and we had, you know, we had 237 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:32,720 Speaker 1: the backs of those guys from day one. We were 238 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 1: out there out front of this saying these three guys 239 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:38,719 Speaker 1: in Jordan's were murdered and what the Jordanian government is 240 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:41,560 Speaker 1: saying is incorrect. And it's the same thing with these 241 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 1: these four soldiers who were killed in nij Air before 242 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:49,560 Speaker 1: the god, before the bodies were even recovered, the Pentagon 243 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:51,440 Speaker 1: was plotting to throw that O. D A under the 244 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 1: bus and say it's their fault, their risk assessment was 245 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 1: all jacked up and try to blame the entire ambush 246 00:13:57,559 --> 00:14:00,839 Speaker 1: on the team for purely political reason. And we had 247 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 1: those guys backs from day one. But all that gets 248 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:08,480 Speaker 1: forgotten very quickly. UM. And I have to try to 249 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:13,120 Speaker 1: also not get emotional about it or have an emotional 250 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:16,600 Speaker 1: reaction because it does make me angry. UM. But I'll 251 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 1: read what Mr Moriarty wrote here UM, in response to 252 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:26,680 Speaker 1: you know, the publishing of the video of the Niger ambush, 253 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 1: he wrote, as the father of Staff Sergeant James Moriarty, 254 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 1: fifth Special Forces Group k I A, Jordan in two 255 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:37,960 Speaker 1: thousand sixteen, I respectfully disagree, and this is in response 256 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 1: to some blog post you know where they're trying to, 257 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 1: you know, hate on me and and softwarepping what we do. 258 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:48,840 Speaker 1: I had to fight our government and then the Jordanian government, 259 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 1: first to get the killer of our boys prosecuted and 260 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 1: then to get the video of the death of my 261 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:57,000 Speaker 1: son released. I had discussions with my best friends from 262 00:14:57,040 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 1: the Marines I served with in Vietnam, with the other 263 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 1: families who lost their loved one. Two heated discussions within 264 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 1: my own family, some making the same arguments you make. 265 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 1: At the end of the day, I decided that I 266 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 1: would watch the video of the murder of my son, 267 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 1: no matter how painful, and I would haunt the killer 268 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 1: of my son to his dying day and I would 269 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:18,280 Speaker 1: fight even my own government to demand public release of 270 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:21,960 Speaker 1: the only objective evidence of what happened that fateful day. 271 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:27,240 Speaker 1: Our Special Operations troops, seals, MARSOC, special forces in the 272 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 1: Air Force, commandos are the finest warriors alive. Today we 273 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 1: are using them up like using a two year old 274 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:37,040 Speaker 1: samurai sword to cut a tangled fishing line. Too many deployments, 275 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 1: too many combat tours, too many months and years away 276 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:43,520 Speaker 1: from their young children and their fearful spouses, and too 277 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:46,920 Speaker 1: many deaths with no meaningful purpose. Soft REP and the 278 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:49,400 Speaker 1: rest of the free press are the primary way we have, 279 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:51,800 Speaker 1: and sometimes the only way that we have, to learn 280 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:55,040 Speaker 1: the truth. These families, who have suffered exactly the same 281 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:58,200 Speaker 1: loss as my family still have no meaningful answers from 282 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:02,120 Speaker 1: our government. Is this video ugly? Yep? I cried when 283 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 1: I watched it, and I'm mourned for these families who 284 00:16:04,520 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 1: have suffered exactly the same loss as my family. You 285 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 1: sit in your cheap seat, taking cheap shots at soft REP, 286 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:15,400 Speaker 1: never wearing that cold gold star on your lapel, criticizing 287 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 1: those who try to bring us the truth, no matter 288 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:20,520 Speaker 1: how ugly and cold it is. That is far better 289 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 1: than the pabulum we have been fed by our political 290 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 1: leaders for the past two decades. No matter how unappetizing 291 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 1: it may be, these endless BS wars are not going 292 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 1: to stop until the American public says enough is enough. 293 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 1: And if watching these videos brings that about sooner more 294 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 1: the better. Let me point out that the person who 295 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 1: wore the camera was one of our own, and when 296 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 1: you attend combat wearing a live camera, there's always some 297 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:48,480 Speaker 1: risk that the truth at show may not be the 298 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:51,800 Speaker 1: truth you intended to capture. Let us all celebrate the 299 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 1: courage under fire of these remarkable warriors and let us 300 00:16:55,160 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 1: mourn their tragic deaths. So that was pretty heartfelt from 301 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:07,359 Speaker 1: from Mr Moriarty, and uh, I had more trouble reading 302 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:09,639 Speaker 1: that than I thought I would. Yeah, no, and I 303 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:12,760 Speaker 1: get it, and um, it's it's important to read comments 304 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 1: like that. I think. You know, we've read just a 305 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 1: plethora of comments in these past few days, and as 306 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:22,720 Speaker 1: as you said, many of them are people not related 307 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:26,960 Speaker 1: to the families of these guys, in many cases are civilians, 308 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:30,520 Speaker 1: and I think a lot of the angers most directed. 309 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:33,480 Speaker 1: I said from from the very beginning, there are very 310 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 1: real and valid concerns that I under I completely understand, 311 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:40,800 Speaker 1: and that's why we read, you know, two different perspectives 312 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 1: on the issue on the last podcast. I do not 313 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 1: dismiss the people who are upset or think that this 314 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 1: should not be posted at all. I understand and respect 315 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:55,840 Speaker 1: their views and I want to acknowledge them. Um. But yes, 316 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:59,160 Speaker 1: then at a certain point it rolls into this sort 317 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 1: of nebula veteran rage cycle where it's like we're just 318 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 1: virtue signaling to each other. Um, And what does that accomplish? 319 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:10,240 Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, And if you guys want to 320 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 1: listen back to there's actually these two podcasts, goes with 321 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:17,159 Speaker 1: Philibonti during the intro um. But yeah, I thought that 322 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:20,120 Speaker 1: was a really important email to read. And and we've 323 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 1: always had guys like that on to to talk about 324 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:26,080 Speaker 1: their story. Um we hadn't We had on Jeff falcol 325 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:28,960 Speaker 1: whose son was a Green Beret who died, and we 326 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:32,080 Speaker 1: always try to get those stories out and remember these 327 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:35,479 Speaker 1: guys in a positive light. Yeah. I don't know what 328 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:38,920 Speaker 1: to say anymore. I mean, I I've done as best 329 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 1: I possibly could. Maybe I've fallen short, um to try 330 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:46,640 Speaker 1: to bring the truth out to you know, not let 331 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 1: the team guys. Let the guy on the ground get 332 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:53,560 Speaker 1: thrown under the bus by our bureaucracy and our political process. Um. 333 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:57,800 Speaker 1: I've always stuck up for the soldier. Um. But you know, 334 00:18:58,400 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 1: it is what it is. You know, you do what 335 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:02,200 Speaker 1: is to be done and you take the heat for that. 336 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:05,440 Speaker 1: So I'm not going to complain about it. Yeah, I'm 337 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:08,359 Speaker 1: with you, all right. Well, let's get over to George Hand. 338 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:13,480 Speaker 1: We haven't had him on probably in nine ten months 339 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:16,480 Speaker 1: or something like that, and George is a great guest, 340 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:19,439 Speaker 1: so looking forward to having him on. So back on 341 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:21,840 Speaker 1: the show for the first time in a very long time. 342 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:25,880 Speaker 1: Is George Hand former Delta Force, one of the favorite 343 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:28,440 Speaker 1: writers at the site who you could follow at George 344 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:31,399 Speaker 1: E Hand the fourth which is George e hand I 345 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:37,440 Speaker 1: v UM and George currently works in combating human trafficking, 346 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 1: which if you listen to the last show, it is 347 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:43,399 Speaker 1: very eye opening. But George is very often posting with 348 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:47,040 Speaker 1: us in the writer's group that we have like so 349 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:50,680 Speaker 1: much stuff about what goes on in human trafficking between 350 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:53,760 Speaker 1: tattoos and these girls have in the situations that they're 351 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:56,160 Speaker 1: in that is like a whole new world to all 352 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 1: of us. And as George often says like the stuff 353 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:02,760 Speaker 1: that he sees is not something that normal people are 354 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:05,399 Speaker 1: able to comprehend. A subculture, Yeah, but that all of 355 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:07,840 Speaker 1: us are like very thankful if there's guys out there 356 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:13,879 Speaker 1: like you doing something about it. That's that's really a 357 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:19,000 Speaker 1: gracious introduction, and I appreciate that. Um, I agree with 358 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:22,359 Speaker 1: what you're saying it it uh, I mean, I really 359 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:27,840 Speaker 1: enjoy having the body of people available at the software 360 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:31,440 Speaker 1: with the Software Writers Group. You know, in my opinion, 361 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 1: my observation is that every one of them a pretty 362 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:41,120 Speaker 1: intelligent person, probably above average average intelligence, and they genuinely 363 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 1: seem to want to know about, you know, the human trafficking. 364 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:49,320 Speaker 1: I mean, most people do. I've never had one person say, 365 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:51,800 Speaker 1: you know, there's other issues out there, we need to 366 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:57,120 Speaker 1: concern ourselves with other things. Now it's pretty much an 367 00:20:57,160 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 1: issue foremost in a lot of people's mind. But but 368 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:03,760 Speaker 1: the writers want to hear about it. They ask questions, 369 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:09,359 Speaker 1: Um regarding the tattoo examples, Um, you know those are 370 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 1: those are usually same day postings. So like I find 371 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:17,359 Speaker 1: these people posting online or being or being posted for 372 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 1: them online with some photos that have uh, you know, 373 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:26,840 Speaker 1: a typical trafficking tattooed with all these indicators on it, 374 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:29,800 Speaker 1: and I like to get those out to the software 375 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:34,080 Speaker 1: writers groups so they can see what's going on. And uh, 376 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:36,760 Speaker 1: you know, I mean, I wouldn't put it past any 377 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:39,960 Speaker 1: one of them to be in some mundane area and 378 00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 1: like have their eye catch particular tattoo and then you know, 379 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:47,439 Speaker 1: start wondering about the rest of the the aura of 380 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 1: the person and pick up on a few indicators. Um, 381 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:54,399 Speaker 1: there's there's there's a plethora of stories out there. The 382 00:21:54,480 --> 00:22:00,240 Speaker 1: last when I heard was from an airline, uh flight hostess. 383 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:03,280 Speaker 1: She started noticing this young woman and the guy that 384 00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:07,040 Speaker 1: she was with, and she noticed enough odd things about them, 385 00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:10,159 Speaker 1: about their demeanor that by the end of the flight 386 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:13,960 Speaker 1: she notified somebody and they round, they roused at this 387 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:16,959 Speaker 1: guy up and in fact he was trafficking or you know, 388 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:20,400 Speaker 1: across the countree and so she was liberated this guy. 389 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:25,240 Speaker 1: I mean that transporting a person across the state line 390 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:29,679 Speaker 1: for the purpose of sex trafficking, that's that's called a 391 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:33,720 Speaker 1: man act, and that's a federal offense. So when when 392 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:36,959 Speaker 1: we see those here in Albuquerque, and we do see him. 393 00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 1: The biggest bust we had last year involved. It was 394 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:46,200 Speaker 1: was a man act. I mean, the guy left Albuquerque, 395 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:49,200 Speaker 1: took one of a couple of his women with him, 396 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:51,159 Speaker 1: you know, they went to Phoenix, they went to Vegas. 397 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:54,119 Speaker 1: They came back from Vegas and one of them was gone, 398 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:57,359 Speaker 1: and he had picked up a new person that was 399 00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:00,920 Speaker 1: under age and brought her to Albuquerque, and we met 400 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:04,520 Speaker 1: about the fence. Win, Oh, that's ours, we want them. 401 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 1: It's time to roll this, you know this Johnson up after. 402 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:12,639 Speaker 1: I think it was nineteen years nineteen months that we 403 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:15,879 Speaker 1: were that. I was actively pursuing the guy, you know, 404 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:18,280 Speaker 1: watching him, keeping tabs on him. And I had a 405 00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:20,199 Speaker 1: lot of other folks in town that were just like 406 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:23,840 Speaker 1: catch him, drive and reported into me, and we always 407 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:27,920 Speaker 1: had a pattern of life on the guy. Um, George, 408 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:31,639 Speaker 1: I have a question for you real quick. Um. You know, 409 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:34,600 Speaker 1: people always ask, you know, what can I do? How 410 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:37,520 Speaker 1: can I help? And I think you know that airline 411 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:41,720 Speaker 1: um stewardess or flight attendant, you know, she obviously picked 412 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:45,439 Speaker 1: up on some indicators and you know potentially, you know, 413 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:47,639 Speaker 1: pulled that young woman out of a very bad situation. 414 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 1: I was wondering if you could illuminate some of that 415 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:52,640 Speaker 1: and tell people like, what are some of the indicators 416 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:56,720 Speaker 1: of human trafficking that are not necessarily obvious to someone 417 00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:59,920 Speaker 1: like yourself who isn't initiated so to speak into the 418 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:01,879 Speaker 1: world that you can you know, you can read the 419 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:04,920 Speaker 1: language of that subculture because you've spent so much time 420 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:07,439 Speaker 1: studying it. What are the things that you know, the 421 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:10,840 Speaker 1: regular citizen can look for, um, that should kind of 422 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:14,280 Speaker 1: um trigger a response that like, Okay, this girl is 423 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:16,679 Speaker 1: in trouble or boy, if that's the case, you know, 424 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:21,600 Speaker 1: I need to make a report the law enforcement. That's 425 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:27,120 Speaker 1: that's a good question because, um, but a lot of times, 426 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:31,959 Speaker 1: at certain phases in their careers quote unquote, you know, 427 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:36,480 Speaker 1: as being traffic victims. At certain phases there they're um 428 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:40,639 Speaker 1: not necessarily wanted to be helped, are there even they 429 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:43,920 Speaker 1: don't even think to help help is a possibility. So 430 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:47,400 Speaker 1: they just kind of resigned to the to the perceived 431 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:49,240 Speaker 1: fact that this is just the way life is for 432 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:50,879 Speaker 1: him and this is what they have to deal with. 433 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:55,879 Speaker 1: But in other cases, um, yeah, like you said, I mean, 434 00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:58,240 Speaker 1: it's like they want out. They they're just not sure 435 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:02,040 Speaker 1: how to get out. Um, They're just wait to see 436 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:06,480 Speaker 1: what happens. And yeah, yeah, there are some some really 437 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 1: typical indicators. And I'm gonna start with the no brainers. 438 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:16,840 Speaker 1: It is the tattoos. Um. I mean, I'm constant. I 439 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:20,080 Speaker 1: can't even turn off my you know, instinct to look 440 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:22,679 Speaker 1: at tattoos. I mean, if I if I'm out in 441 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:27,040 Speaker 1: social setting, you know, at a restaurant or cafe, man 442 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:35,679 Speaker 1: I tattoos constantly catch my eye. And the tattoos of 443 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:41,439 Speaker 1: a crown in particular, you know, um, a crown tattooed, 444 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:45,840 Speaker 1: especially like on the neck, in in and in a 445 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:49,560 Speaker 1: place that looks like rather painful to get a tattoo 446 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:53,359 Speaker 1: if you're just a tattoo enthusiast. But I've seen him 447 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:57,439 Speaker 1: a lot on the neck, the latest one. And in 448 00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:02,199 Speaker 1: conjunction with the tattoos, you'll see some very um flowery 449 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:05,879 Speaker 1: scroll text initials is what they are. You might not 450 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:09,960 Speaker 1: even recollect what's that junk under the tattoo under the crown, 451 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:12,520 Speaker 1: you know, it just looks like a bunch of swirly stuff. 452 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:16,000 Speaker 1: And if if you if you got a better look, 453 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,720 Speaker 1: you've realized that there were some letters and they're probably 454 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:23,600 Speaker 1: most likely initials. And the initials are those of the 455 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:27,199 Speaker 1: trafficker or the pimp because it's jack. It's like you 456 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:32,200 Speaker 1: mentioned yesterday yesterday in the forum that that's a signal 457 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:34,840 Speaker 1: of ownership, and it actually, it absolutely is a sign 458 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:38,639 Speaker 1: of ownership. I mean a guy will you know, uh, 459 00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:43,439 Speaker 1: bring up, bring up a female, you know, nurture her, 460 00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:46,680 Speaker 1: bring her up into trafficking pow she's trapped in traffic, 461 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:50,320 Speaker 1: and he will put his mark on her, which, like 462 00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:52,880 Speaker 1: I said, a lot of times, is the crown tattoo 463 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:58,920 Speaker 1: with initials. We've seen barcodes, actual barcodes tattooed on say 464 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,359 Speaker 1: the back of the back, the neck, you know, a 465 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:04,240 Speaker 1: place where you know, the woman could drop her hair. 466 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:07,720 Speaker 1: Now the tattoo is gone, but if she pulled her 467 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:12,479 Speaker 1: hair up, yeah, I could be seen. Um there's a 468 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:16,639 Speaker 1: tattoo we call chest plates, and they essentially run all 469 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:20,840 Speaker 1: the way across from like shoulder to shoulder, and they 470 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:24,080 Speaker 1: could be I've seen a lot where it's just like 471 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:30,080 Speaker 1: a you know, like beautiful or precious, that sort of thing, 472 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:32,520 Speaker 1: and it will be ornate to the extent that it 473 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:38,120 Speaker 1: may have like roses, diamonds and stars. Are those will 474 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:40,919 Speaker 1: snap my neck if they're if they're going by me, 475 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:46,879 Speaker 1: I will just see those and pick up on that immediately. UM. 476 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:51,720 Speaker 1: Because you know, when a victim is the quote unquote 477 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:57,359 Speaker 1: property of trafficker or pimp, UM, she is totally hands 478 00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:02,680 Speaker 1: off to the tune of the power of that trafficker. UM, 479 00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:05,439 Speaker 1: you know, as much as he can uh you know, 480 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:09,000 Speaker 1: corral her and keep her from doing anything she really 481 00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:13,080 Speaker 1: wants to do, just you know, uh, perform according to 482 00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:19,000 Speaker 1: his standard in his demands. She the traffic won't even 483 00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:21,959 Speaker 1: won't even make eye contact with another mail in public. 484 00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:26,440 Speaker 1: You can't do that. That's you know, the trafficker will 485 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:29,520 Speaker 1: pick up on that and be there there's going to 486 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:33,880 Speaker 1: be some consequences to be made. Um. And it came 487 00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:38,440 Speaker 1: up in the last couple of weeks writer's form as 488 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:44,080 Speaker 1: well that uh that there will be a post in 489 00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:49,000 Speaker 1: um particular social media where traffic where traffickers are posting 490 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:52,760 Speaker 1: their victims, and very seldom, if ever, the victims post 491 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:56,680 Speaker 1: for themselves. It's usually the trafficker that puts them in there. 492 00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:59,000 Speaker 1: Like back Page. You know, I mean, there's there's no 493 00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:02,960 Speaker 1: there's no denying that Backpage is still one of the 494 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:10,800 Speaker 1: leading um you know forms that even after the arrests 495 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:12,680 Speaker 1: last year where they moved in on and then they 496 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,000 Speaker 1: moved in on a bunch of people who were running 497 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:21,240 Speaker 1: back Page. Yeah, they did. Um the status of the 498 00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:24,840 Speaker 1: status of Backpage, I don't know the recent status of them. 499 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:30,120 Speaker 1: They've they've been hammered several times, particularly in the state 500 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:35,120 Speaker 1: of California. UM the the owner, i mean, the actual 501 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:39,160 Speaker 1: founder of it refused. He didn't even make a court trial, 502 00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:45,120 Speaker 1: you know, he just didn't go. So UM. They we 503 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:50,280 Speaker 1: noticed that Backpage something that they did was and we 504 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:53,160 Speaker 1: could tell that they were already prepared for this months 505 00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:55,920 Speaker 1: if not a couple of years in advance. When we 506 00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:58,960 Speaker 1: when the law really started to close down on backpage 507 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:04,600 Speaker 1: regarding you know, the trafficking of persons. Um there, their 508 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:10,920 Speaker 1: servers went. Their servers went to mirror servers ones that 509 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:19,800 Speaker 1: well exactly offshore um which prompted Deliver prompted Deliver Fund 510 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:24,320 Speaker 1: to pick up an analyst that was overseas in the 511 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:28,280 Speaker 1: European area. And his whole job all day long was 512 00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:34,040 Speaker 1: too was the monitor. And he he reported and identified 513 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:38,320 Speaker 1: a server that that all of back pages ads were 514 00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:42,880 Speaker 1: going to. First then they were they were showing up 515 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:46,400 Speaker 1: on back page proper. Uh. And we did, I mean, 516 00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:48,560 Speaker 1: we even did a quick test. It was real simple. 517 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:51,360 Speaker 1: You know, my boss called me up, said at Georgia 518 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:54,360 Speaker 1: and needs you to post a backpage add you know, 519 00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:58,880 Speaker 1: on just on backpage whatever. So I spent five bucks 520 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:04,640 Speaker 1: posted on this on this other server, and um, yeah, 521 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:09,800 Speaker 1: sure enough it showed up on back page. Interesting, Yeah 522 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:15,760 Speaker 1: we did, That's what they were doing. Um and honestly, 523 00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:18,440 Speaker 1: who knows what who knows the next thing that they're 524 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:20,840 Speaker 1: going to do in you know, the cat and mouse change. 525 00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:23,560 Speaker 1: I'm sure they have a couple of their angles ready, 526 00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:27,120 Speaker 1: but it might you know, they might not have a 527 00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:32,479 Speaker 1: chance to revert to their plans C and D because 528 00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:35,440 Speaker 1: I mean, the law might just be too hard on 529 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:39,680 Speaker 1: their on their tails. Um well, I think we uh, 530 00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:41,640 Speaker 1: we talked about a little bit last time, didn't we have. 531 00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,360 Speaker 1: You know, websites like Backpage are kind of a double 532 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:48,880 Speaker 1: edged sword because yeah, it you know, facilitates the trafficking 533 00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,520 Speaker 1: of women, but it also is the go to place. 534 00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:55,480 Speaker 1: You know, the police know that, and if not backpage 535 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:57,640 Speaker 1: would be you know, the pimps could kind of scatter 536 00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:00,720 Speaker 1: and sell their product all over the place. But back pages, 537 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:03,520 Speaker 1: you know, it provides people like you and law enforcement 538 00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:06,080 Speaker 1: officers a place like you know you can go there 539 00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:13,040 Speaker 1: and try to interdict these people. Yeah, you're right. And 540 00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:17,000 Speaker 1: when we when we we got the chat, the actual 541 00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:20,600 Speaker 1: channel for escorts, you know, eliminated or closed down in 542 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:24,920 Speaker 1: back page. You know, that's when the next morning, you know, 543 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,760 Speaker 1: we sat down to do business as usual and there 544 00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:30,680 Speaker 1: was a little bit of alarm across the board that hey, 545 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:34,520 Speaker 1: I mean all our people are gone, all our targets 546 00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:36,800 Speaker 1: are gone. We lost them because of that channel. And 547 00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:40,960 Speaker 1: the answer was no, you know, they just regrouped, they 548 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:46,120 Speaker 1: lifted and shifted fire to seeking women. And I've seen 549 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:50,280 Speaker 1: a lot of the usual suspects on the massage therapist 550 00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:54,719 Speaker 1: annal back page. They're just you know, they're picking up 551 00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:59,440 Speaker 1: different places. And there's there's quite a few websites out 552 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:03,080 Speaker 1: there that are are that are also doing essentially the 553 00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:05,640 Speaker 1: same thing, you know, a different flavor of the same thing. 554 00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:11,480 Speaker 1: Um uh. With regard to you know, the pimps scattering, 555 00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:16,560 Speaker 1: I have said it, I've said it often at the 556 00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:20,320 Speaker 1: turn of the year that with regard to our city's 557 00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:24,640 Speaker 1: back page, the profile of the back page is just 558 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:29,320 Speaker 1: changed quite a lot since because we ambered him so 559 00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:33,280 Speaker 1: bad in the city that it just looks different like 560 00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:35,600 Speaker 1: I log in and look and I got to run 561 00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:39,600 Speaker 1: through several in some cases like two full rows of 562 00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:43,040 Speaker 1: posts that are our stock photos. You know, they're not 563 00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,760 Speaker 1: they're just representatives. They're not they're real people, but they're 564 00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:49,920 Speaker 1: they're not necessary. They're not at all the people who 565 00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:53,200 Speaker 1: are going to run into if you actually set up 566 00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:57,440 Speaker 1: an encounter with him, um, and they're typically associated with 567 00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:01,160 Speaker 1: massage parlors and that sort of thing. I'm I'm just wondering, George, 568 00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:04,000 Speaker 1: as someone who you know, like my knowledge of back 569 00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:06,520 Speaker 1: Page is basically what you tell me, Like, would you 570 00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:11,759 Speaker 1: say that this is something that falls under free speech? Well, 571 00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:17,440 Speaker 1: that's the that's the basis for the court case with 572 00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:20,279 Speaker 1: the founders of back Page, you know, is that their 573 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:24,200 Speaker 1: stances all the amendment covering that in the Constitution, you know, 574 00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:27,719 Speaker 1: free speech. That's our basis. That's our premise for doing 575 00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:31,640 Speaker 1: what we do. And here's why it's a strong enough 576 00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:35,200 Speaker 1: argument to keep you know, the court's tied up with 577 00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:38,400 Speaker 1: these people for for this long. I mean it's been 578 00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:41,040 Speaker 1: years now, it's not just months, but it's been years. 579 00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:45,439 Speaker 1: So so yeah, that's what's keeping them, that's what's keeping 580 00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:49,560 Speaker 1: them alive so far, We've gone to a lot of 581 00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:53,440 Speaker 1: we're taking a lot of steps, a lot of angles 582 00:34:53,480 --> 00:35:00,239 Speaker 1: to go after and even the extent of trying of guilty. Um. 583 00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:03,360 Speaker 1: You know, internet service providers that are hosting their servers, 584 00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:09,719 Speaker 1: guilting them into you know change uh discount, disenrolling them 585 00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:13,680 Speaker 1: in their service, and credit cards as well, like a 586 00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:18,040 Speaker 1: major credit card company, you know, Chase whatever, Chase guilting 587 00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:21,520 Speaker 1: them and says, you know that so that you're supporting 588 00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:24,279 Speaker 1: back page and you know, human trafficking. How is how's 589 00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:26,600 Speaker 1: that going to look at the news? And of course 590 00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:28,759 Speaker 1: they're well, that's not gonna look good at all. You know, 591 00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:30,960 Speaker 1: we're not going to do business with those people anymore. 592 00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:36,239 Speaker 1: So going after the money, um is the same thing 593 00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:40,120 Speaker 1: and with other illegal activity, right Because I don't know 594 00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:42,239 Speaker 1: if either of you guys have ever seen that documentary 595 00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:46,520 Speaker 1: Prescription Thugs, but it's interesting how you know, uh, the 596 00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:49,200 Speaker 1: guy who directs it, who admits that he was using 597 00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:51,960 Speaker 1: prescription drugs at the time and he was addicted, like 598 00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:55,320 Speaker 1: he was buying them through Craigslist, and he brought it 599 00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:58,520 Speaker 1: up to his congressman, who was Congressman lou And California, 600 00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:01,480 Speaker 1: and he was from what he showed they were completely 601 00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:04,359 Speaker 1: unaware that Craig's List was being used for you know 602 00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:12,600 Speaker 1: what you do, George, and then also selling prescription drugs illegally. Yeah. Craigslist, Um, 603 00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:17,200 Speaker 1: you know, our our founder, Nick McKinley, he always he's 604 00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:19,800 Speaker 1: always said that, you know, backpages like the Walmart of 605 00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:24,719 Speaker 1: human trafficking, you know, and uh, we all get it, 606 00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:27,160 Speaker 1: you know, I know exactly what he means. And it's true, 607 00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:31,320 Speaker 1: it really is true. And then at some point along 608 00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:35,920 Speaker 1: the line another some political figure, get what states she's from, 609 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,360 Speaker 1: but she said that same thing, almost words her word, 610 00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:42,040 Speaker 1: but she said about Craigslist. She goes, Craig's List is 611 00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:45,279 Speaker 1: the Walmart of human trafficking. And I mean, you could 612 00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:47,440 Speaker 1: take this flattery on the one hand, or you know, 613 00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:49,880 Speaker 1: plagiarism of the other hand. You know, come up with 614 00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:53,960 Speaker 1: your own catchy phrases. But she's basically quoting Nick McKinley. 615 00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:58,879 Speaker 1: And you know, I agree that Craigslist is UM. They're 616 00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:03,120 Speaker 1: definitely a culprit. You know, they've got their channels. Some 617 00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:07,560 Speaker 1: of the cases I've taken on involved person's posting on Craigslist, 618 00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:12,720 Speaker 1: you know. Um. And you know, with regard to prescription drugs. 619 00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:16,480 Speaker 1: It would be almost laughable if they weren't doing that 620 00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:22,880 Speaker 1: on Craig's list. That that's just that's such a viable 621 00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:30,480 Speaker 1: medium for you know, the elicit distribution of opiates and narcotics, etcetera, 622 00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:35,719 Speaker 1: especially for doctors who are crooked, which there are a few. Uh, 623 00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,320 Speaker 1: you know, the faster they can move their product, the 624 00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:43,279 Speaker 1: more money they're going to get. So, yeah, craigslists, you know, 625 00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:47,759 Speaker 1: there's some some of the other ones, um erotic mug 626 00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:52,440 Speaker 1: shots is one I was actually tasked recently with. I 627 00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:54,879 Speaker 1: was given a list of about i want to say, 628 00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:59,960 Speaker 1: between eight about eight or ten of the major social 629 00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:05,360 Speaker 1: media websites that had channels and we're facilitating, you know, 630 00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:09,200 Speaker 1: human trafficking. And the task was, Hey, George, take these 631 00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:14,640 Speaker 1: man's check them out, research them, get in, get an account, 632 00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:20,279 Speaker 1: you get a user name and a password, and and 633 00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:22,960 Speaker 1: and we'll we'll have all of those user names and 634 00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:26,399 Speaker 1: passwords for all these websites, find out how they how 635 00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:31,920 Speaker 1: they accept payment um. And any time an investigation is 636 00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:35,239 Speaker 1: going on where one of our supporters or one of 637 00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:39,640 Speaker 1: our leo you need to get in there, they can 638 00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:41,600 Speaker 1: just ask us. We can give them a log in 639 00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:44,479 Speaker 1: a password. They don't have to bumble around and try 640 00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:47,399 Speaker 1: to set up an account um and end up paying 641 00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:50,000 Speaker 1: out of their own pocket for the account, because we 642 00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:53,200 Speaker 1: will already have account open and pay for them. All 643 00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:55,319 Speaker 1: they have to do is log in and and just 644 00:38:55,440 --> 00:39:01,520 Speaker 1: go after their investigation. Um, and we're I discovered really 645 00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:04,920 Speaker 1: quickly actually with the first website I went to beyond 646 00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:09,839 Speaker 1: back Page, was they could really smart and did they 647 00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:13,320 Speaker 1: didn't do away with bitcoin, like they still fully use bitcoin. 648 00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:18,040 Speaker 1: It did away completely with the bus that customers have 649 00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:23,600 Speaker 1: to do have to deal with regarding bitcoin your backpage. Uh. 650 00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:27,200 Speaker 1: And I you know, I purchased bitcoin and purchase bitcoins 651 00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:30,560 Speaker 1: for our other operators, and so I know how to 652 00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:32,680 Speaker 1: do it, and I've been in there. It's kind of 653 00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:34,840 Speaker 1: like work in the stock market. Yeah. I paid twenty 654 00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:38,160 Speaker 1: five bucks for about seven dollars with the bitcoin, and 655 00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:40,440 Speaker 1: there was a hassle. I had a wallet and blockchain 656 00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:44,560 Speaker 1: and attle book, you know, all the buzzwords. But that 657 00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:47,560 Speaker 1: really is a hassle, and that's that turns some people off. 658 00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:50,320 Speaker 1: I mean, the customer is a customer, but these other sites, 659 00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:53,719 Speaker 1: I mean they're like, hey, just buy credits. You buy 660 00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:57,600 Speaker 1: credits with our website. You want five bucks of credits, Okay, 661 00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:00,840 Speaker 1: here's twenty five bucks. That'll probably get you twenty five posts, 662 00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:04,160 Speaker 1: you know, a simple post. It's not a whole lot 663 00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:07,239 Speaker 1: of photos. And the bitcoin part the website takes care 664 00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:13,360 Speaker 1: of that. So they're basically creating their own currency. Yeah yeah, 665 00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:15,640 Speaker 1: I mean they're just they're they're an interface, their go 666 00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:21,480 Speaker 1: between between bitcoin and their website service. So they just 667 00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:26,399 Speaker 1: handled that bit of overhead for the customers. Yeah, I mean, 668 00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:30,879 Speaker 1: disturb bag on. I'll go on erotic mug shots and 669 00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:33,640 Speaker 1: none of them are freaking secret. I should just I 670 00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:35,080 Speaker 1: should have had a list and just so I could 671 00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:37,799 Speaker 1: rattle them off. Yeah, it's a it's that's a that's 672 00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:41,040 Speaker 1: a classic fiat currency system. You know. It's like when 673 00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:43,440 Speaker 1: the dollar used to be backed up by gold. What 674 00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:45,319 Speaker 1: he's saying is they made up they made up a 675 00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:51,680 Speaker 1: currency of proxy currency backed up by bitcoin. Yeah, my compliments, Jack, 676 00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:55,200 Speaker 1: that's that is correct. But I tie a credit card 677 00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:58,839 Speaker 1: to the website and just forget about it. You know, 678 00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:02,440 Speaker 1: I can just go on and make my post and 679 00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:06,800 Speaker 1: the credit card gets charged and the bitcoin transaction gets handled, 680 00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:12,040 Speaker 1: you know, and it's all gravy. So that is going on, 681 00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:14,839 Speaker 1: and I wondered what was going to happen, because I said, 682 00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:18,479 Speaker 1: you know, I genius, but I'm not real stupid either, 683 00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:20,680 Speaker 1: And this bitcoin thing is, let's kick in my butt. 684 00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:24,440 Speaker 1: Why is it so difficult? How much of trafficking do 685 00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:28,320 Speaker 1: you think? You know, how much of those monetary transactions 686 00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:34,960 Speaker 1: and human trafficking take place using cryptocurrencies? Do you think? I? 687 00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:40,200 Speaker 1: I would think, Jack, I would think most of it, really, 688 00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:47,640 Speaker 1: most of it? Does? Most of it? Because um, I 689 00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:52,200 Speaker 1: mean the bitcoin is so available now and it continues 690 00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:56,360 Speaker 1: to be more available. Like there's there's a bitcoin machines 691 00:41:56,520 --> 00:42:00,239 Speaker 1: at gas stations, you know, like an a t M. 692 00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:02,560 Speaker 1: Like I looked him up in Aliquerque one day. See 693 00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:04,799 Speaker 1: how many of them. I'm like, holy crap. Or you know, 694 00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:08,000 Speaker 1: the verywhere and one of them really like a quarter 695 00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:09,600 Speaker 1: mile from my house. But you can go there and 696 00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:14,160 Speaker 1: slam swipe a car and get a bitcoin credit. You know, 697 00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:17,120 Speaker 1: It's just I've never seen that. It's pretty crazy. And 698 00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:20,040 Speaker 1: I mean I assume now what you're getting is a 699 00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:22,879 Speaker 1: very small fraction of a bitcoin, because just a few 700 00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:26,960 Speaker 1: years ago bitcoin was worth I mean not that long ago, 701 00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:29,319 Speaker 1: under a dollar and then to a few dollars and 702 00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:33,080 Speaker 1: now worth tens of thousands of dollars. How much is 703 00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:37,000 Speaker 1: it worth currently, George, I don't know. I don't know 704 00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:38,759 Speaker 1: how much it is. I'm gonna look so that I 705 00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:41,719 Speaker 1: don't sound like an idiot, but I mean it's it's 706 00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:43,600 Speaker 1: a lot. I mean, I don't know if how long 707 00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:47,200 Speaker 1: ago you you were dealing with it, because I'm wondering if, 708 00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:48,960 Speaker 1: like you were able to make money on the side 709 00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:54,319 Speaker 1: just purchasing bitcoin. No. I I lost money, um, and 710 00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:57,080 Speaker 1: I did very little of it. I mean I did 711 00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:03,000 Speaker 1: some my actually, my daughter was doing some work for 712 00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:05,120 Speaker 1: us for a while. I had her doing some things 713 00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:08,520 Speaker 1: and she had had to run up some posts on 714 00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:12,239 Speaker 1: back pages. She used bitcoin. You know, we lost money 715 00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:16,880 Speaker 1: on it. Never came out ahead. So bitcoin. Bitcoin currently 716 00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:20,360 Speaker 1: is eight thousand, seven six dollars, but at its height 717 00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:27,839 Speaker 1: was over nine dollars for one bitcoin. Yeah yeah, I mean, 718 00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:31,359 Speaker 1: you know, it's just like working stock market, guys going. 719 00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:34,839 Speaker 1: People can go in there, if they're savvy, you can 720 00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:36,399 Speaker 1: you know, come out with a hell of a lot 721 00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:40,080 Speaker 1: of money legally or you know not. I mean on 722 00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:42,680 Speaker 1: the up and up that is. And then there as 723 00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:44,799 Speaker 1: the years go on, there's a number of scams that 724 00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:50,400 Speaker 1: crop up that you know, other folks can can execute 725 00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:55,719 Speaker 1: to get some more monetary gain. The UM. I think 726 00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:57,560 Speaker 1: when one of the big mysteries or one of the 727 00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:03,520 Speaker 1: big controversies that has cropped up recently is like well bitcoin, 728 00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:06,960 Speaker 1: the you know, the the major beauty of it is 729 00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:11,759 Speaker 1: the anonymity, and a bitcoin can't be traced. For a blockchain, 730 00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:15,279 Speaker 1: you can't be traced from from a user to use it, 731 00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:20,360 Speaker 1: point to point, from user to end users. UM. And 732 00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:25,399 Speaker 1: now there's a number of persons of companies of services 733 00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:28,000 Speaker 1: that sporadically had kind of cropped up and said hey, 734 00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:30,399 Speaker 1: we could do it, you know, and that's a big 735 00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:34,480 Speaker 1: question mark, and they get attention immediately with regard to 736 00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:38,000 Speaker 1: our own our own organization, you know, to us, that 737 00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:41,839 Speaker 1: very important if it's true. And we've had a number 738 00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:45,319 Speaker 1: of people that you know, we've engaged and have contacted 739 00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:49,960 Speaker 1: us and that we've sat down with it said, um, 740 00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:52,920 Speaker 1: can you really do it? Can you demonstrate it? And 741 00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:54,680 Speaker 1: that's what it's all about. I Mean, we have a 742 00:44:54,680 --> 00:45:00,520 Speaker 1: lot of capabilities, technical capabilities out there, UM that that 743 00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:02,560 Speaker 1: come up to us and say hey, we're able to 744 00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:07,520 Speaker 1: do this certain thing. You know, trace this cell phone, Like, well, really, 745 00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:10,360 Speaker 1: how how how well can you trace the phone? Can you? 746 00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:12,840 Speaker 1: Can you give me a name? Can you give me 747 00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:16,319 Speaker 1: an address? You know? And they're like, well, yes, okay, demonstrated. 748 00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:19,520 Speaker 1: If here's a here, here's an example case for it. 749 00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:21,520 Speaker 1: We already know the answer to it. But you tell 750 00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:24,040 Speaker 1: us what it is and if they come back with 751 00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:27,920 Speaker 1: good data, then it's yeah. And it's that. That was 752 00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:31,840 Speaker 1: the same with the bitcoin claims, like yeah, if if, 753 00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:33,959 Speaker 1: if there's somebody out there that can do that, trace 754 00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:37,399 Speaker 1: it all the way through, then that is a very 755 00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:40,840 Speaker 1: powerful thing and we're gonna want to know about it. 756 00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:43,239 Speaker 1: The LEO is gonna want to know about it to 757 00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:46,560 Speaker 1: be able to do it in their investigations. Um uh, 758 00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:50,960 Speaker 1: we find that another avenue of attack, if you will. 759 00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:56,560 Speaker 1: We've been engaging in is assets in the southwestern United 760 00:45:56,560 --> 00:46:01,400 Speaker 1: States that I've got a finger on the money transfers 761 00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:04,680 Speaker 1: that are able to see the money, um, you know, 762 00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:10,719 Speaker 1: being being sent from point to point. You know, because 763 00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:13,880 Speaker 1: a lot of times the like the pimps of the 764 00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:18,080 Speaker 1: traffickers might not have a legitimate bank account. Um, so 765 00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:22,960 Speaker 1: they do it through the commercial money business like Western 766 00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:27,680 Speaker 1: Union and such and that can be if it's not 767 00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:30,200 Speaker 1: the FED, you know, if it's not the Federal Reserve, 768 00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:36,439 Speaker 1: it can be seen. And we've seen, I mean, even 769 00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:39,160 Speaker 1: with regard to the massage parlor business, what we're able 770 00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:43,640 Speaker 1: to see them doing transfers, you know, to New York, 771 00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:47,719 Speaker 1: from New York to China or from in the case 772 00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:54,200 Speaker 1: of one of my cases, Um from Albuquerque takes a 773 00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:58,640 Speaker 1: drive to California once a month and from there about 774 00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:03,680 Speaker 1: anywhere from from well up to twenty dollars gets wired 775 00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:07,880 Speaker 1: directly to a city in China that we know the 776 00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:13,439 Speaker 1: name of. And that's with regularity, you know, So yeah, 777 00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:16,240 Speaker 1: I get it. They're working massage parlor, getting a certain 778 00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:19,880 Speaker 1: sum of money that is that they're not supposed to 779 00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:22,040 Speaker 1: be sitting on, so it's time to get rid of it, 780 00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:25,520 Speaker 1: and they wire it, um, you know, through the money 781 00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:30,719 Speaker 1: service business to their country origin. And that is that's 782 00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:33,960 Speaker 1: that's the first time I've ever heard that described. And 783 00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:36,759 Speaker 1: you know, those massage parlors are everywhere. I mean, we 784 00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:39,040 Speaker 1: have in my neighborhood, and you know, it's like one 785 00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:41,279 Speaker 1: of those things that we've all gotten so used to 786 00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:43,880 Speaker 1: seeing them, you don't even really think about it anymore. 787 00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:46,840 Speaker 1: You know where the windows are all like not boarded 788 00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:49,799 Speaker 1: up but painted over, or there's curtains you can never 789 00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:56,600 Speaker 1: see inside Asian massage parlors christmass on the outside. George, 790 00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:59,920 Speaker 1: how how does that work? I mean, are these like family? 791 00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:03,440 Speaker 1: These it clans or is it triads like Chinese mafia 792 00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:08,480 Speaker 1: running these organizations? Like how does that work? I'll tell you, Jacket, 793 00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:10,920 Speaker 1: you can cut me off. You guys could cut me 794 00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:13,640 Speaker 1: off at any time, because we're super interested in this. 795 00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:15,600 Speaker 1: I actually have a similar question, but I want to 796 00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:18,439 Speaker 1: hear this. I have a lot, I have a lot 797 00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:25,719 Speaker 1: of experience working massage parlors U and I cringe when 798 00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:27,920 Speaker 1: the subject comes up and it's like I explained to 799 00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:31,560 Speaker 1: we had our weekly meeting yesterday with all the representatives 800 00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:35,640 Speaker 1: of the of the city Leo Um and it was 801 00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:38,560 Speaker 1: a really it was a great turnout. There was the 802 00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:40,760 Speaker 1: last guy that showed up, that was the last seat 803 00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:43,520 Speaker 1: left in the room, and I was really impressed. Like 804 00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:45,480 Speaker 1: a while one more person shows up, they're gonna have 805 00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:50,080 Speaker 1: to stand. But anyway, the subject of the subject of 806 00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:53,200 Speaker 1: the massage partlers came up with with with one of 807 00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:56,120 Speaker 1: the guys who stayed afterwards and said, hey, I get 808 00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:59,800 Speaker 1: like three calls a day people complaining about massage parlors 809 00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:03,239 Speaker 1: and we're just all out of angles. Next, what are 810 00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:08,640 Speaker 1: the new creative angles and the new creative angle? Um, 811 00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:11,480 Speaker 1: we agree across the board is going to be follow 812 00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:15,360 Speaker 1: the money, see the money, follow it and that's where 813 00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:21,200 Speaker 1: you're gonna that's where you're gonna find the management coming. Um. Yeah, 814 00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:24,080 Speaker 1: there's quite a quite a lot of them are out there. 815 00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:28,160 Speaker 1: I honestly learned the name of probably the one and 816 00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:33,480 Speaker 1: only legitimate massage therapy places in town here, meaning all 817 00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:37,880 Speaker 1: the rest of them are are illegal, you know, I 818 00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:41,920 Speaker 1: mean I think we have according to rub maps, and 819 00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:46,759 Speaker 1: that's rub maps dot com. Um, they keep tabs on 820 00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:52,080 Speaker 1: the locations of all the massage powers across the United States. Um, 821 00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:56,000 Speaker 1: for the sake of the user, Like, these are the 822 00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:58,520 Speaker 1: best places to go to. These are the prices, these 823 00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:02,560 Speaker 1: are the store hours, and these are um right ups 824 00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:08,120 Speaker 1: from John's who have business. What they have what they Yeah, 825 00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:09,920 Speaker 1: and you can get it. You can get a paid account. 826 00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:12,000 Speaker 1: That was actually one of my sites to go to 827 00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:14,799 Speaker 1: and investigate. You can get a paid account. I get 828 00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:18,080 Speaker 1: what you get extra by paying for a rub maps 829 00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:21,880 Speaker 1: account because you can surely get, in my opinion, everything 830 00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:25,920 Speaker 1: you want to know about massage parlors in any given 831 00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:30,960 Speaker 1: city without a paid account. But UM, I had to 832 00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:34,680 Speaker 1: do a whole lot of surveillance on a bunch of 833 00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:41,239 Speaker 1: massage partners in town. What I found is this. UM 834 00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:44,279 Speaker 1: I found that the majority of them are owned and 835 00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:51,960 Speaker 1: operated by uh erstance from China, not family owned persons 836 00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:58,640 Speaker 1: from China, of some from Vietnam, the Asian countries. And 837 00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:01,839 Speaker 1: I found by looking at three or four of them 838 00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:06,000 Speaker 1: that the same guy was showing up and was being driven, 839 00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:08,359 Speaker 1: you know, he was. He's a guy who doesn't drive 840 00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:11,920 Speaker 1: a car. He someone drives him because he's important. And 841 00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:14,279 Speaker 1: he was showing up at all of them. So what 842 00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:18,000 Speaker 1: I was seeing there was centralized management to an extent. 843 00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:20,640 Speaker 1: And I didn't know how many he went to. I 844 00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:23,120 Speaker 1: knew he was going to the three that I was 845 00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:27,240 Speaker 1: trying to watch on a daily basis. UM I found 846 00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:31,680 Speaker 1: also that I closed a whole bunch of them down 847 00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:34,520 Speaker 1: like many nights in a row. And by closing him down, 848 00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:37,880 Speaker 1: I mean like I'm watching him when they closed. I 849 00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:43,960 Speaker 1: know they closed, and and if I need help, I 850 00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:46,160 Speaker 1: get other people out there to watch, you know, different 851 00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:49,640 Speaker 1: different sides of the building. What I was seeing is 852 00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:52,520 Speaker 1: that they were closing down and nobody was leaving or not. 853 00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:56,200 Speaker 1: Everybody was leaving, which means and that's a big deal 854 00:51:56,239 --> 00:52:01,040 Speaker 1: because it means that there are workers inside are sleeping. Yeah, 855 00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:05,560 Speaker 1: you can get them on labor wives too. Yeah. I 856 00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:09,919 Speaker 1: can think by city code or building opp beneficial occupancy 857 00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:13,840 Speaker 1: standards that you know that you can't rack out overnight 858 00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:16,319 Speaker 1: in a place like that. It just doesn't have the provisions. 859 00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:19,439 Speaker 1: But the girls are in there, they're you know, they're 860 00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:25,040 Speaker 1: locked in. They don't they um, they don't have money. Really, 861 00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:26,880 Speaker 1: they don't have money. They're they're made to pay for 862 00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:29,760 Speaker 1: everything they use in there. But you know, they're gonna 863 00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:34,440 Speaker 1: they're gonna need a massage bed, so they have to 864 00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:37,120 Speaker 1: pay a rent on that. Um, they have to pay 865 00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:39,799 Speaker 1: a rent on their garbage can they use because they're 866 00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:42,120 Speaker 1: going to need to throw stuff away. They get charged 867 00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:45,400 Speaker 1: for that. So they get charged for all these little things. 868 00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:47,880 Speaker 1: They get nickeled and dimes and in the end they 869 00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:52,040 Speaker 1: don't really have a great paycheck and so they're happy 870 00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:55,080 Speaker 1: to stay in there. They don't they don't have money. 871 00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:57,640 Speaker 1: They don't they don't speak English, for the most part. 872 00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:02,240 Speaker 1: Um In fact, I've been I've been tasked several times 873 00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:05,359 Speaker 1: like hey, George, we need you to come and talk 874 00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:08,759 Speaker 1: to this woman. Talk to these women. Um you know, 875 00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:13,240 Speaker 1: ride with these people that were trying to rescue. Ride 876 00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:15,759 Speaker 1: with them, so we'll have somebody to talk to. Or 877 00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:19,120 Speaker 1: just listen to this interview and tell us if the 878 00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:22,000 Speaker 1: woman is really saying what she's saying in Chinese. You know, 879 00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:26,440 Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, I think I could do that. So 880 00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:28,680 Speaker 1: a lot of times I can't tell you everything they said, 881 00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:30,960 Speaker 1: but I can say, yeah, that is basically what she 882 00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:33,280 Speaker 1: was talking about. That's what she said, is what she said. 883 00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:37,440 Speaker 1: What's incredible, too, is that, you know, especially like here 884 00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:39,640 Speaker 1: in New York. I mean, you'll be at a coffee 885 00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:42,719 Speaker 1: shop and there's all these people who consider themselves be 886 00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:46,920 Speaker 1: like progressive liberals and women's rights and me too, and 887 00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:51,640 Speaker 1: all this right next door, literally right next door, is 888 00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:55,520 Speaker 1: a massage power where women are almost certainly being kept 889 00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:59,440 Speaker 1: as sex slaves. Like that just bogle that that boggles 890 00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:03,239 Speaker 1: the mind. That's that's a fact. And that came up 891 00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:08,000 Speaker 1: with um Our our our lead Albuquerque analysts. It used 892 00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:11,399 Speaker 1: to be me until just just a very a couple 893 00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:15,040 Speaker 1: of months ago. Now we actually have one. She's really sharp, 894 00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:18,360 Speaker 1: and she said that very same thing. She's you know 895 00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:22,800 Speaker 1: that night and day, you know, walk next door and uh. 896 00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:27,320 Speaker 1: But um, we've gone after the massage parlors with regards 897 00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:31,399 Speaker 1: to building codes because we've we've noted for examples, like 898 00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:35,640 Speaker 1: I watched a guy that he stayed in an apartment. 899 00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:38,040 Speaker 1: Some of the women stayed at that apartment. If this 900 00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:41,440 Speaker 1: guy's whole job was to drive them to work in 901 00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:44,560 Speaker 1: the morning, so he'd drive them there, make sure they're 902 00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:46,680 Speaker 1: up and running. Did he'd go back to his apartment. 903 00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:49,960 Speaker 1: He'd stop at a smoke shop, almost like nine or 904 00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:52,520 Speaker 1: ten times a day at a smoke shop. Did he 905 00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:54,400 Speaker 1: go back at one o'clock he would go in and 906 00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:59,560 Speaker 1: he would change shift, you know, new girls. Then he'd 907 00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:01,799 Speaker 1: come back, and then at night he would pick them up. 908 00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:04,560 Speaker 1: The ones that you know weren't actually staying there, and 909 00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:08,880 Speaker 1: they stayed right there in his apartment. Um, that was 910 00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:12,040 Speaker 1: his whole job, was log support. And we noticed that 911 00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:16,640 Speaker 1: he was like going to Walmart or Costco coming back 912 00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:18,839 Speaker 1: with all these jugs of water, you know, and I thought, 913 00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:23,400 Speaker 1: what swimpling? Yeah, because they're not going anywhere because the 914 00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:27,600 Speaker 1: girls aren't going anywhere. Yeah, and they don't have water 915 00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:31,520 Speaker 1: to them, just don't have it's not I mean. And 916 00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:35,480 Speaker 1: that is that raises a flag that their building is 917 00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:39,120 Speaker 1: not up to code, which means we can bring in 918 00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:42,440 Speaker 1: you know, inspectors and they can shut that place down 919 00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:46,640 Speaker 1: for being out of compliance with building code. And that 920 00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:49,200 Speaker 1: was that was a great That was a great idea 921 00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:53,399 Speaker 1: at the time. And what what the result of that was. 922 00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:57,239 Speaker 1: Instead of a bunch of massage partners, you know, skidaddling 923 00:55:57,400 --> 00:56:00,000 Speaker 1: and closing down in staid, a bunch of massage partners 924 00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:02,719 Speaker 1: came up to code, you know. And so it's like 925 00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:05,680 Speaker 1: face palm, like, wow, we didn't expect that, because yeah, 926 00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:08,920 Speaker 1: that costs money. So I had a question for you, 927 00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:11,000 Speaker 1: George that might be kind of out there, but I 928 00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:14,279 Speaker 1: actually just want to hear your perspective from you know, 929 00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:18,360 Speaker 1: an expert. Uh. It's just kind of interesting, I thought, 930 00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:20,760 Speaker 1: And I'm wondering if it pertains to your world now. 931 00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:24,560 Speaker 1: So I grew up in a pretty upscale, affluent part 932 00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:28,120 Speaker 1: of Long Island. Um, you know where the main street 933 00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:30,479 Speaker 1: where all the shops are pretty high rent. You see 934 00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:34,160 Speaker 1: businesses come and go and I remember about ten years 935 00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:36,880 Speaker 1: ago a place open that was like a tarot card 936 00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:40,880 Speaker 1: reading place, you know, fortune tellers, and and my immediate 937 00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:43,799 Speaker 1: reaction was, like, this place isn't going to stay here? 938 00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:45,920 Speaker 1: You know when when I think of like tarot card 939 00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:51,040 Speaker 1: reading places, they usually thrive and like really poor areas, 940 00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:55,120 Speaker 1: just in my experience of traveling the country. And sure enough, 941 00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:58,520 Speaker 1: ten years later, this place is still there. And it 942 00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:01,279 Speaker 1: just raises a flag to me, I like, what what 943 00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:03,480 Speaker 1: has to be going on there? I have no idea 944 00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:06,799 Speaker 1: how this business has survived in an area where people 945 00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:10,319 Speaker 1: are very wealthy, Like I don't see wealthy people generally 946 00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:12,799 Speaker 1: going to get their palm red Like, there's just not 947 00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:20,880 Speaker 1: the norm. Dad, That's a really great observation in and uh, 948 00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:26,160 Speaker 1: I had never made that observation myself until the many 949 00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:30,640 Speaker 1: months that I sat watching massage parlors ording. And I'm 950 00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:34,240 Speaker 1: going to deviate from the answer, the specific answer a 951 00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:38,640 Speaker 1: little bit first by saying that, yeah, so what we've 952 00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:42,560 Speaker 1: got got a massage part in a plaza, right, So 953 00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:45,840 Speaker 1: there's a number of other businesses there. There's there's not 954 00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:48,840 Speaker 1: another massage parlor there, Oh no, that won't happen. But 955 00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:52,720 Speaker 1: there's one there, and there's a number of the other 956 00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:56,000 Speaker 1: businesses are just closed. But that's that's just a matter 957 00:57:56,080 --> 00:57:59,200 Speaker 1: of the economy over the years. You know, it's like 958 00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:02,040 Speaker 1: you see a lot more boarded up buildings than you 959 00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:05,439 Speaker 1: used to see. Um. But what I was seeing there 960 00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:08,880 Speaker 1: was like, Okay, I can't stare at this door anymore. 961 00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:11,440 Speaker 1: You know, it's the massage part of the door. I go, 962 00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:15,880 Speaker 1: I'm gonna stare at the barbershop. In this case, it 963 00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:17,960 Speaker 1: was a barbershop. I'm gonna stare at the barbershop door 964 00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:22,120 Speaker 1: a little bit. And then on the other side of it, like, uh, 965 00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:26,640 Speaker 1: I'm gonna stare at this you know, tire UM service, 966 00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:33,040 Speaker 1: flat tire service, UM beyond this and flawders and and 967 00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:36,320 Speaker 1: what occurred to me is like the barbershop didn't do 968 00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:40,160 Speaker 1: enough business, nearly enough business in the in a single 969 00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:43,520 Speaker 1: day to cover its overhead, not even touch it overhead, 970 00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:47,080 Speaker 1: Like he cut two people's hair in an the tired 971 00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:50,680 Speaker 1: you know, eight nine hour day. So that and that 972 00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:54,400 Speaker 1: made me think what is up with that? And even 973 00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:57,439 Speaker 1: the tire services, like, yeah, there's guys milling around there, 974 00:58:57,480 --> 00:59:01,760 Speaker 1: but no one's really doing anything. And then a car 975 00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:04,480 Speaker 1: would show up and yeah, they like swap out a 976 00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:07,960 Speaker 1: tire on it. But but again I'm thinking, nothing in 977 00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:10,960 Speaker 1: this plausa seems to be legit. No one seems to 978 00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:16,600 Speaker 1: be doing real work. And even right next door to 979 00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:20,960 Speaker 1: the massage parlor was a smoke shop, um, which or 980 00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:24,800 Speaker 1: a hookah shop, which you know, I have no respect 981 00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:29,440 Speaker 1: for those places. But I had a brother, retired swat 982 00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:32,080 Speaker 1: guy said hey, man, it easier to go in there 983 00:59:33,720 --> 00:59:35,280 Speaker 1: because I can't go in there because I don't have 984 00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:37,560 Speaker 1: any tattoos I have. I used to tattoo and I 985 00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:41,680 Speaker 1: sanded him off because of delta. And but he has sleeves, 986 00:59:41,720 --> 00:59:46,920 Speaker 1: the retired swak. He looks as street as anybody out there. Um. 987 00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:49,240 Speaker 1: But I said, go in the tattoo shop and talk 988 00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:52,880 Speaker 1: tattoos and find out if there's a connection. I mean 989 00:59:53,080 --> 00:59:57,680 Speaker 1: literally a physical connection passed through between these two shops. 990 00:59:57,840 --> 01:00:00,480 Speaker 1: There's a door, there's an arch, you know, we're one 991 01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:03,400 Speaker 1: can walk into the other. And he went in. He goes, yeah, 992 01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:06,920 Speaker 1: there there is, Like I thought, so man, you know 993 01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:10,360 Speaker 1: that who can shop is another place that absolutely nobody 994 01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:13,960 Speaker 1: went into, or one person went in. You know, what 995 01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:16,520 Speaker 1: did they come out into the end, what did they buy? 996 01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:21,400 Speaker 1: I mean, they didn't they didn't get it. They uh 997 01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:26,720 Speaker 1: so they're washing money through these places. I have to say, yeah, 998 01:00:26,720 --> 01:00:29,000 Speaker 1: I have to say, And I would say the same 999 01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:33,240 Speaker 1: thing on a on a different scale, um Ian with 1000 01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:37,160 Speaker 1: regards to your neighborhoods um I mean, while I'm still 1001 01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:41,160 Speaker 1: amazed at how cuckoo, I think some really wealthy people 1002 01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:45,960 Speaker 1: can be, you know, regarding superstition and crystal balls and 1003 01:00:46,040 --> 01:00:49,240 Speaker 1: tarot cards and he leaves in the bottom of the cup. 1004 01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:51,640 Speaker 1: You know, they can they can pay an awful lot 1005 01:00:51,640 --> 01:00:55,120 Speaker 1: of money real quick, you know, in a one time 1006 01:00:55,160 --> 01:00:57,640 Speaker 1: sit down. So I don't know, I don't know just 1007 01:00:57,680 --> 01:01:01,480 Speaker 1: how much revenue a place like that could be getting. 1008 01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:05,920 Speaker 1: But I'm thinking, I'm thinking they could probably make their 1009 01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:09,840 Speaker 1: overhead with just a couple of people. But at the 1010 01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:16,560 Speaker 1: same time, I really believe that their sustainability just isn't there. Therefore, 1011 01:01:17,080 --> 01:01:20,000 Speaker 1: I mean, I put them in the same category as 1012 01:01:20,040 --> 01:01:23,840 Speaker 1: the barbershop and the entire changing service is there like 1013 01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:26,480 Speaker 1: a connection because the reason I would make that connection, 1014 01:01:26,520 --> 01:01:28,240 Speaker 1: And my mom has said the same thing. My mom 1015 01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:30,200 Speaker 1: is a real estate agent. She's like, I have no 1016 01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:33,120 Speaker 1: idea how this place stays open. And then you also 1017 01:01:33,160 --> 01:01:35,720 Speaker 1: think like a tarot card place, palm reading and all 1018 01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:39,400 Speaker 1: that primarily women. So I'm just wondering, is there a 1019 01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:42,600 Speaker 1: human trafficking connection that you've seen with like those types 1020 01:01:42,640 --> 01:01:47,440 Speaker 1: of places? Not at all ian, But I'm saying that 1021 01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:49,680 Speaker 1: that's I have not at all seen that. That's not 1022 01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:52,400 Speaker 1: saying but I've ever I've never even looked forward or 1023 01:01:52,640 --> 01:01:59,000 Speaker 1: been tasked by it for it. But um, I I've 1024 01:01:59,040 --> 01:02:02,600 Speaker 1: only noted one fortune telling place, and I don't even 1025 01:02:02,600 --> 01:02:06,200 Speaker 1: remember what they called themselves. But at least I know 1026 01:02:06,280 --> 01:02:09,240 Speaker 1: what street it's on, and it might be another avenue 1027 01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:12,160 Speaker 1: to look at, and I might look really cool bringing 1028 01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:14,840 Speaker 1: that up next week. And I'm sure, I'm sure it's 1029 01:02:14,880 --> 01:02:18,919 Speaker 1: some sort of tax evasion at a minimum. Yeah, yeah, 1030 01:02:19,520 --> 01:02:24,600 Speaker 1: I mean the tax you know another thing that we tried. Um, 1031 01:02:24,800 --> 01:02:27,840 Speaker 1: Like I, I have a resource, Jack knows this. I 1032 01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:30,640 Speaker 1: have a resource where I'm able to look up a 1033 01:02:30,680 --> 01:02:33,920 Speaker 1: lot of information. And in the case of one massage 1034 01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:36,560 Speaker 1: party that I was looking at really hard for a 1035 01:02:36,600 --> 01:02:40,680 Speaker 1: bunch of different reasons. Um, I looked at this this 1036 01:02:40,760 --> 01:02:43,040 Speaker 1: woman of the owner, and I found that she was 1037 01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:48,280 Speaker 1: the owner operator of that of the massage parlor. And 1038 01:02:49,320 --> 01:02:51,320 Speaker 1: I can see how much the rent was on the building. 1039 01:02:52,120 --> 01:02:54,640 Speaker 1: And I could also see that she had a professional 1040 01:02:54,720 --> 01:03:00,480 Speaker 1: license as a missus or missus and loan behold, her 1041 01:03:00,560 --> 01:03:05,760 Speaker 1: license was expired like two years ago. So I went 1042 01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:09,240 Speaker 1: back to the LEO, said, hey, got an angle, got 1043 01:03:09,320 --> 01:03:14,240 Speaker 1: a woman operating in there with expired license, and um, 1044 01:03:14,280 --> 01:03:17,919 Speaker 1: what that resulted in was her getting her license back 1045 01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:21,960 Speaker 1: up to date. And the only reason I looked at 1046 01:03:21,960 --> 01:03:27,000 Speaker 1: her license was because the vice guys, I mean, they 1047 01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:31,120 Speaker 1: were going into massage parlors routinely, um, you know, trying 1048 01:03:31,120 --> 01:03:33,400 Speaker 1: all these different angles to get him closed down, and 1049 01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:37,240 Speaker 1: they were finding that, as required by law that all 1050 01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:40,200 Speaker 1: of each massuis has to have a license that is 1051 01:03:40,280 --> 01:03:43,760 Speaker 1: posted you know, enter her workplace. And so while they're 1052 01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:48,560 Speaker 1: in there, you know, um developing their massage routine, they're 1053 01:03:48,720 --> 01:03:52,000 Speaker 1: scanning the room and they're just checking the dates and 1054 01:03:52,120 --> 01:03:55,919 Speaker 1: authenticity of these licenses. If they're not in compliance, then 1055 01:03:56,520 --> 01:03:58,880 Speaker 1: they can take that girl in and they can shut 1056 01:03:58,880 --> 01:04:03,800 Speaker 1: the business down. But once again, just like with building codes, um, 1057 01:04:03,960 --> 01:04:06,800 Speaker 1: what we found out is instead of fleeing, they were 1058 01:04:06,840 --> 01:04:12,160 Speaker 1: just bringing themself up to compliance and you know, causing us, 1059 01:04:12,280 --> 01:04:15,400 Speaker 1: causing us to run out of idea more out of ideas, 1060 01:04:15,840 --> 01:04:19,840 Speaker 1: you know. But hey, ideas are bottomless pit as far 1061 01:04:19,880 --> 01:04:22,880 Speaker 1: as I'm concerned. You know, there's always gonna be there's 1062 01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:26,880 Speaker 1: always gonna be something else to try against them. UM, 1063 01:04:27,280 --> 01:04:29,760 Speaker 1: just like to me that you know, the law, the 1064 01:04:30,120 --> 01:04:33,320 Speaker 1: gray area of the laws is probably the thickest part 1065 01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:35,960 Speaker 1: of the law. And um, if I look at a 1066 01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:40,600 Speaker 1: problem that is contrary to the law, I just gotta 1067 01:04:40,680 --> 01:04:42,760 Speaker 1: stare at it long enough and figure out a way 1068 01:04:42,760 --> 01:04:46,680 Speaker 1: to you know, bend and twist and stay legal about 1069 01:04:47,480 --> 01:04:50,000 Speaker 1: the things I need to do to get these cases fault. 1070 01:04:52,200 --> 01:04:56,720 Speaker 1: It's incredible work you guys are doing. George. Yeah, I 1071 01:04:56,720 --> 01:04:59,200 Speaker 1: I appreciate that, Jack, and I get that so much. 1072 01:05:00,080 --> 01:05:02,600 Speaker 1: Every time I get a kudo like that, which is 1073 01:05:02,760 --> 01:05:05,920 Speaker 1: almost every day, it makes me want to, you know, 1074 01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:09,200 Speaker 1: jump in my car and like go do something. You know, 1075 01:05:09,480 --> 01:05:12,960 Speaker 1: I can't be said, even though what I do acquires 1076 01:05:13,480 --> 01:05:15,400 Speaker 1: desk work, you know, I just like, I gotta go 1077 01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:17,880 Speaker 1: out and arrest some get somebody arrested. Man, I gotta 1078 01:05:18,200 --> 01:05:20,760 Speaker 1: I gotta cracky case. I gotta do something. You guys 1079 01:05:20,760 --> 01:05:22,960 Speaker 1: are you know, a fairly small group of people, but 1080 01:05:23,040 --> 01:05:27,360 Speaker 1: you're having such an outsized you know, proportion wise impact 1081 01:05:27,520 --> 01:05:31,160 Speaker 1: I think on the community you're working in. I think, 1082 01:05:31,200 --> 01:05:35,360 Speaker 1: I really think so, I really do. And we we 1083 01:05:35,480 --> 01:05:42,200 Speaker 1: ran our second training course in February February um into 1084 01:05:42,240 --> 01:05:44,480 Speaker 1: January beginning February or something like that. We ran that 1085 01:05:44,520 --> 01:05:49,400 Speaker 1: course training up more you know, law enforcement officers and 1086 01:05:49,440 --> 01:05:52,760 Speaker 1: detectives who are assigned to human trafficking in their precincts 1087 01:05:53,560 --> 01:05:55,640 Speaker 1: trained up another batch of those guys. I mean the 1088 01:05:55,680 --> 01:06:01,960 Speaker 1: first batch was Houston, uh, mainly Houston guys. Those guys 1089 01:06:02,280 --> 01:06:05,400 Speaker 1: like knocked the back out of HT in their city. 1090 01:06:05,160 --> 01:06:07,800 Speaker 1: They were they were racking him up so quick that 1091 01:06:07,880 --> 01:06:10,960 Speaker 1: the d A was asking him totally chill out a 1092 01:06:11,000 --> 01:06:14,120 Speaker 1: little bit. They couldn't prosecute the guys in US and 1093 01:06:14,360 --> 01:06:15,920 Speaker 1: guys are like going out in the morning, you know. 1094 01:06:16,080 --> 01:06:18,360 Speaker 1: And I went back in the middle of the afternoon 1095 01:06:18,440 --> 01:06:21,920 Speaker 1: with like this toad that's awesome, Like, hey, this guy's 1096 01:06:22,680 --> 01:06:24,720 Speaker 1: and got a warr on this guy he's you know, 1097 01:06:24,920 --> 01:06:29,440 Speaker 1: we need to get a grand jury date. And my gosh, 1098 01:06:29,680 --> 01:06:34,360 Speaker 1: are are fed uh POC that comes weekly to meet 1099 01:06:34,400 --> 01:06:37,440 Speaker 1: with us. We we've lucked out with getting like probably 1100 01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:41,520 Speaker 1: the most motivated, gung ho fed guy in uh in 1101 01:06:41,680 --> 01:06:45,880 Speaker 1: hs I and he's got more. He's got like more 1102 01:06:45,880 --> 01:06:50,200 Speaker 1: grand jury cases stacked up just with him than anybody 1103 01:06:50,200 --> 01:06:54,560 Speaker 1: in the entire state, you know, just cases that are 1104 01:06:54,560 --> 01:06:56,680 Speaker 1: waiting to be tried. And he was like holds of 1105 01:06:57,080 --> 01:07:01,240 Speaker 1: an informal record for that, and he's all about it. 1106 01:07:01,440 --> 01:07:05,080 Speaker 1: He's he does it every day, he's he's ready to 1107 01:07:05,600 --> 01:07:09,840 Speaker 1: continue to do it. And yesterday's meet with all those 1108 01:07:09,880 --> 01:07:13,280 Speaker 1: different guys, there were so many of them there. I mean, 1109 01:07:13,320 --> 01:07:18,720 Speaker 1: it was too h put together some operations, some some buying, 1110 01:07:18,800 --> 01:07:22,520 Speaker 1: did some joint operations that we're going to do um 1111 01:07:22,600 --> 01:07:26,720 Speaker 1: to round up some more traffickers in the near future. 1112 01:07:27,560 --> 01:07:31,000 Speaker 1: It was just basically the reading of an off order. Um, 1113 01:07:31,560 --> 01:07:34,120 Speaker 1: we're gonna get together next week doing a warning order 1114 01:07:34,200 --> 01:07:39,520 Speaker 1: and do some basic train up classes, and then at 1115 01:07:39,560 --> 01:07:43,680 Speaker 1: a later date, not too much later than that, we're 1116 01:07:43,720 --> 01:07:47,080 Speaker 1: going to come together and execute for a couple of days. 1117 01:07:47,600 --> 01:07:50,680 Speaker 1: I think it's important people here these stories from George 1118 01:07:50,680 --> 01:07:53,640 Speaker 1: and here this episode, because when we hear about these 1119 01:07:53,680 --> 01:07:58,439 Speaker 1: places and the human trafficking stuff, obviously people are frequenting 1120 01:07:58,680 --> 01:08:02,400 Speaker 1: these types of places. And I would have to believe 1121 01:08:02,480 --> 01:08:06,280 Speaker 1: there's probably someone listening who does and they probably think, 1122 01:08:06,400 --> 01:08:09,360 Speaker 1: what's the harm in it. Yeah, victimless crime or whatever. 1123 01:08:09,720 --> 01:08:12,440 Speaker 1: And then when they hear George and here that you 1124 01:08:12,480 --> 01:08:16,120 Speaker 1: know you're very likely not supporting someone who's doing this 1125 01:08:16,200 --> 01:08:19,200 Speaker 1: out of free will, and that you are supporting human trafficking. 1126 01:08:19,439 --> 01:08:21,960 Speaker 1: I think it's important that you're aware of reality. I mean, 1127 01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:24,920 Speaker 1: I don't have any problem personally with you know, an 1128 01:08:25,080 --> 01:08:28,360 Speaker 1: entrepreneurial minded woman that uses back page. I mean that's 1129 01:08:28,360 --> 01:08:31,200 Speaker 1: our business, you know. But this is this is like, 1130 01:08:31,320 --> 01:08:33,800 Speaker 1: you know, akin to slavery. I mean, that's really what 1131 01:08:33,880 --> 01:08:36,400 Speaker 1: it is. It's not you know, it's something that it's 1132 01:08:36,439 --> 01:08:40,960 Speaker 1: not a victimless crime by any means, the victimless trying it. 1133 01:08:41,360 --> 01:08:45,280 Speaker 1: I mean, it sure isn't. People don't realize how short 1134 01:08:45,320 --> 01:08:48,840 Speaker 1: of amount of time being exposed to this ship can 1135 01:08:48,920 --> 01:08:53,559 Speaker 1: run a kid um And yeah, and I'm with you 1136 01:08:53,640 --> 01:08:58,320 Speaker 1: Jack regarding to consent part um or the free will part. 1137 01:08:58,640 --> 01:09:01,080 Speaker 1: I mean, I can look at as it's such a 1138 01:09:01,120 --> 01:09:04,080 Speaker 1: short amount of time and go now, now leave her alone. 1139 01:09:04,520 --> 01:09:07,680 Speaker 1: I mean, she's she's upscale, she's been in it for 1140 01:09:07,680 --> 01:09:10,840 Speaker 1: a while, she's independent. Um, look at that, she's going 1141 01:09:10,880 --> 01:09:13,560 Speaker 1: to do out calls. She's got her own car, And 1142 01:09:13,560 --> 01:09:16,200 Speaker 1: they're like why why won't she show her face like 1143 01:09:17,040 --> 01:09:20,000 Speaker 1: maybe she's a maybe she's a freaking state senator. I 1144 01:09:20,040 --> 01:09:24,120 Speaker 1: don't know just the thing she likes to do and 1145 01:09:24,200 --> 01:09:27,040 Speaker 1: didn't really want the state known about it. I mean 1146 01:09:27,080 --> 01:09:30,720 Speaker 1: it's just but but but yeah, I mean, I mean 1147 01:09:30,760 --> 01:09:33,120 Speaker 1: I used to study the have to study the pictures. 1148 01:09:33,600 --> 01:09:38,000 Speaker 1: Now I just like look at them and maybe it's 1149 01:09:38,040 --> 01:09:40,920 Speaker 1: I mean, it's a lot of it's intuition, but some 1150 01:09:41,040 --> 01:09:43,120 Speaker 1: of my eyes just come to a screeching halt on 1151 01:09:43,160 --> 01:09:46,360 Speaker 1: that page, and I asked myself, why am I looking at? 1152 01:09:46,439 --> 01:09:48,479 Speaker 1: Why am I looking at her page? And then I 1153 01:09:49,320 --> 01:09:51,920 Speaker 1: you know, go through and make make myself realize what 1154 01:09:52,000 --> 01:09:54,720 Speaker 1: the indicators are. And I've got like eighteen of them 1155 01:09:54,760 --> 01:09:57,920 Speaker 1: that I look for. But with that, I also have 1156 01:09:58,080 --> 01:10:02,360 Speaker 1: negative indicators. And you can say a negative cancels a positive. 1157 01:10:02,840 --> 01:10:05,840 Speaker 1: I mean you can do that little math quiz because 1158 01:10:06,400 --> 01:10:09,400 Speaker 1: I mean, at a point you have to ask yourself, well, 1159 01:10:09,479 --> 01:10:13,040 Speaker 1: of at indicators, how many does somebody have to have 1160 01:10:13,160 --> 01:10:16,360 Speaker 1: today for me to write her up and start developing 1161 01:10:16,400 --> 01:10:18,880 Speaker 1: a case to pass onto the LEO. Is it six? 1162 01:10:19,600 --> 01:10:24,240 Speaker 1: Is it seventeen? You know? A positive indicator? Check this 1163 01:10:24,320 --> 01:10:27,559 Speaker 1: out and I put this on our our page, Jack 1164 01:10:27,760 --> 01:10:31,880 Speaker 1: was an iPhone. Like, if she's taken selfies of herself 1165 01:10:31,920 --> 01:10:35,519 Speaker 1: with an iPhone, that's a that's a that's a negative 1166 01:10:35,560 --> 01:10:40,479 Speaker 1: indicator because the simple fact that a trafficker is not 1167 01:10:40,520 --> 01:10:43,760 Speaker 1: going to let his victim own an iPhone, I say, 1168 01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:46,920 Speaker 1: eight hundred dollars, he ain't gonna let her half tot 1169 01:10:47,320 --> 01:10:49,800 Speaker 1: He's not going to spend that much on her. I mean, 1170 01:10:49,840 --> 01:10:54,120 Speaker 1: he's running several girls in the same the same hotel, 1171 01:10:54,320 --> 01:10:58,559 Speaker 1: and they're sharing clothes, for Christ's sake, the sharing lingerie, lingerie, 1172 01:10:58,600 --> 01:11:01,400 Speaker 1: and all three of these women are wearing the same 1173 01:11:01,479 --> 01:11:06,160 Speaker 1: damn thing. They're sharing it. You know, that's they're probably 1174 01:11:06,160 --> 01:11:09,360 Speaker 1: staying in the same room. I theorized that he could 1175 01:11:09,360 --> 01:11:13,120 Speaker 1: have three or four whatever number in one room, and 1176 01:11:13,160 --> 01:11:16,200 Speaker 1: that's like their logistics support room, and they're sleeping on 1177 01:11:16,240 --> 01:11:18,640 Speaker 1: the floor in two or three of the bed and 1178 01:11:18,680 --> 01:11:21,920 Speaker 1: when they whoever gets a john, they go next door 1179 01:11:22,160 --> 01:11:25,840 Speaker 1: or down the hall to the workroom and that's where 1180 01:11:25,840 --> 01:11:27,840 Speaker 1: they have the date. Then they get the money and 1181 01:11:27,920 --> 01:11:31,360 Speaker 1: they come back to the support room and pay pay them, 1182 01:11:31,400 --> 01:11:35,800 Speaker 1: you know, gives hand over the money. Yes, they're obviously 1183 01:11:36,360 --> 01:11:39,240 Speaker 1: obviously not going to have like luxury items or high 1184 01:11:39,240 --> 01:11:42,840 Speaker 1: dollar items like an iPhone. Are there are their own 1185 01:11:42,880 --> 01:11:46,479 Speaker 1: car as you mentioned, you know previously, Yeah, they're not 1186 01:11:46,479 --> 01:11:49,080 Speaker 1: going to have a car. Um the big bust we 1187 01:11:49,120 --> 01:11:52,200 Speaker 1: made last year, we found out I kept saying, I 1188 01:11:52,280 --> 01:11:54,720 Speaker 1: kept I kept seeing a couple of different cars, you know, 1189 01:11:54,760 --> 01:11:58,200 Speaker 1: and they always had templates on them, and um, you know, 1190 01:11:58,280 --> 01:12:02,519 Speaker 1: like this white fort of taurusts. You know, it's like, 1191 01:12:02,560 --> 01:12:05,360 Speaker 1: where where are they getting these cars? You know, with 1192 01:12:05,360 --> 01:12:08,160 Speaker 1: with these tags. In the end, found out that the 1193 01:12:08,200 --> 01:12:10,439 Speaker 1: pimp owed them all, he owned them all, and he 1194 01:12:10,560 --> 01:12:14,240 Speaker 1: was keeping him at at a at a body shop, 1195 01:12:14,880 --> 01:12:16,599 Speaker 1: you know, and parked in the yard with the rest 1196 01:12:16,640 --> 01:12:20,080 Speaker 1: of the junkers and just wouldn't notice it. But you know, 1197 01:12:20,080 --> 01:12:22,800 Speaker 1: I was able to find finally trace the car to 1198 01:12:22,960 --> 01:12:25,519 Speaker 1: its all the way down to his spin number. It said, 1199 01:12:25,560 --> 01:12:28,080 Speaker 1: look who owns this car? My god, if it isn't 1200 01:12:28,120 --> 01:12:31,439 Speaker 1: the man himself, And we were able to figure out 1201 01:12:32,160 --> 01:12:34,519 Speaker 1: where he got it and is his bottom girl or 1202 01:12:34,600 --> 01:12:37,960 Speaker 1: his bottom bushes were the ones that we're getting the car, 1203 01:12:38,560 --> 01:12:40,680 Speaker 1: like they say, I got this great date lined up. 1204 01:12:40,720 --> 01:12:43,719 Speaker 1: Then he would let them use of the car. Otherwise 1205 01:12:43,720 --> 01:12:47,360 Speaker 1: he'd be driving him himself and he he would rotate 1206 01:12:47,360 --> 01:12:53,040 Speaker 1: a car out like almost with precision once a year. Um, 1207 01:12:53,080 --> 01:12:55,680 Speaker 1: you know, like in January he noticed it, like, hey, 1208 01:12:55,840 --> 01:12:59,360 Speaker 1: so and so his Cadillac's gone. Well we found him 1209 01:12:59,439 --> 01:13:03,880 Speaker 1: driving around. I didn't like this uh Lexus suv and 1210 01:13:03,960 --> 01:13:07,679 Speaker 1: the license plate is black and looking up that license plates, 1211 01:13:07,720 --> 01:13:11,200 Speaker 1: we find out that it registered just a few days 1212 01:13:11,240 --> 01:13:14,600 Speaker 1: ago and it expires in one year. Who gets a 1213 01:13:14,640 --> 01:13:18,600 Speaker 1: plate that expires in one year. Nobody. Only people that 1214 01:13:18,640 --> 01:13:21,640 Speaker 1: are trying to get rid of their cars once a 1215 01:13:21,720 --> 01:13:28,280 Speaker 1: year break up a profile. So yeah, it's interesting because 1216 01:13:28,280 --> 01:13:30,920 Speaker 1: what you're doing is you're looking for like unnatural behavior. 1217 01:13:31,200 --> 01:13:34,760 Speaker 1: Like there was a few years ago, maybe it was 1218 01:13:34,800 --> 01:13:37,160 Speaker 1: five or six years ago, there's a spy ring that 1219 01:13:37,200 --> 01:13:40,839 Speaker 1: the CIA was running in Beirut and it got busted 1220 01:13:40,880 --> 01:13:43,360 Speaker 1: by the bad guys. It came out because what was 1221 01:13:43,400 --> 01:13:47,240 Speaker 1: going on was that their their informants, their assets, were 1222 01:13:47,280 --> 01:13:50,479 Speaker 1: given cell phones and they would go out and they 1223 01:13:50,479 --> 01:13:54,240 Speaker 1: would use that cell phone to only call one other number. 1224 01:13:55,000 --> 01:13:57,160 Speaker 1: And it would be like, you know, those three am calls, 1225 01:13:57,200 --> 01:13:59,439 Speaker 1: and that's a totally unnatural way to use a cell phone. 1226 01:13:59,439 --> 01:14:02,080 Speaker 1: Nobody had one cell phone that only calls one number. 1227 01:14:02,800 --> 01:14:06,639 Speaker 1: So the story at least the story that the only 1228 01:14:06,680 --> 01:14:08,080 Speaker 1: thing I could think of is if you're maybe you're 1229 01:14:08,120 --> 01:14:11,439 Speaker 1: like an elderly person or that's about it, right, right, 1230 01:14:11,920 --> 01:14:14,400 Speaker 1: So the story that came out was that, um, I 1231 01:14:14,439 --> 01:14:17,800 Speaker 1: think it was has blah. They were using some version 1232 01:14:17,800 --> 01:14:20,799 Speaker 1: of like analysts notebook, like some sort of analytical program 1233 01:14:21,000 --> 01:14:23,400 Speaker 1: to like look at the cell phone traffic, and they're 1234 01:14:23,479 --> 01:14:25,960 Speaker 1: very quickly figured out who who was up to no 1235 01:14:26,080 --> 01:14:28,840 Speaker 1: good from their point of view. Um, so that's why 1236 01:14:28,960 --> 01:14:31,519 Speaker 1: unnatural behavior, and that's what George is talking about looking 1237 01:14:31,520 --> 01:14:33,840 Speaker 1: at those license plates, like who gets a license plate 1238 01:14:33,920 --> 01:14:36,240 Speaker 1: that expires in one year? Like that's not a natural 1239 01:14:36,920 --> 01:14:41,000 Speaker 1: thing to do. So, you know, something's quite right, not 1240 01:14:41,080 --> 01:14:46,599 Speaker 1: at all in the you know, initially, we do see 1241 01:14:46,720 --> 01:14:49,360 Speaker 1: guys that are pretty they're they're pretty good man. They're 1242 01:14:49,360 --> 01:14:54,280 Speaker 1: even driving SDRs surveillance detection routes. I mean they're all 1243 01:14:54,640 --> 01:14:58,400 Speaker 1: they're they're kind of stupid looking and screwed up, but 1244 01:14:59,400 --> 01:15:01,840 Speaker 1: at least they're doing them, or they think they're doing them. 1245 01:15:01,960 --> 01:15:04,240 Speaker 1: What they're doing is they're they're tipping us off that 1246 01:15:04,400 --> 01:15:08,640 Speaker 1: there the guys are driving an SDR. I'm like, wow, okay, 1247 01:15:08,760 --> 01:15:12,040 Speaker 1: if I wasn't sure, now I'm sure, this guy's scared. 1248 01:15:12,920 --> 01:15:15,720 Speaker 1: He's taken steps by driving his SDR, which is a 1249 01:15:15,720 --> 01:15:21,240 Speaker 1: really retarded one, but he's doing it. And mobility is uh, 1250 01:15:22,280 --> 01:15:26,360 Speaker 1: is a huge deterrent for law enforcement. Like if the 1251 01:15:26,400 --> 01:15:29,519 Speaker 1: guys pick up and move steadily like every few days, 1252 01:15:30,360 --> 01:15:35,360 Speaker 1: he gets really difficult, exponentially difficult to pick up, relocate 1253 01:15:36,200 --> 01:15:41,080 Speaker 1: and and reset up on um you know of motel 1254 01:15:41,200 --> 01:15:45,799 Speaker 1: for example. And and I found out, I mean, watching 1255 01:15:45,800 --> 01:15:49,040 Speaker 1: this guy for nineteen months, like he was moving every week, 1256 01:15:49,160 --> 01:15:52,240 Speaker 1: Like yeah, he's moving, but you know after a while, 1257 01:15:52,320 --> 01:15:55,720 Speaker 1: like I know the four motels he uses, like it, 1258 01:15:55,880 --> 01:15:57,920 Speaker 1: it will take me, if might take me twenty minutes 1259 01:15:57,960 --> 01:16:00,960 Speaker 1: to find his girls again now that they're gone. And 1260 01:16:01,040 --> 01:16:04,080 Speaker 1: sure enough I find him. And I also found that 1261 01:16:05,240 --> 01:16:07,200 Speaker 1: in the end, I mean, their creatures have had it 1262 01:16:07,320 --> 01:16:10,040 Speaker 1: and they they get lazy. Even it's hard to pretend. 1263 01:16:10,960 --> 01:16:14,360 Speaker 1: It's hard to pretend like something's uh, somebody's trying to 1264 01:16:14,360 --> 01:16:16,519 Speaker 1: break in and get your stuff. When you're on guard duty, 1265 01:16:16,680 --> 01:16:20,000 Speaker 1: right jack here on guard map, and you're like, nobody 1266 01:16:20,000 --> 01:16:23,080 Speaker 1: cares about this compound, nobody wants in here at three 1267 01:16:23,080 --> 01:16:25,439 Speaker 1: o'clock in the morning. This is just stupid, And so 1268 01:16:25,520 --> 01:16:28,559 Speaker 1: you just kind of get lazy. These guys do that. 1269 01:16:28,760 --> 01:16:31,200 Speaker 1: I mean, they get tired of having to move their 1270 01:16:31,320 --> 01:16:36,559 Speaker 1: operations across town, relocate, reinvent, and they get sloppy. Next thing, 1271 01:16:36,600 --> 01:16:39,280 Speaker 1: I know, we've got a girl that's like staying in 1272 01:16:39,280 --> 01:16:43,880 Speaker 1: the same room for fourteen days straight, and um, I 1273 01:16:43,880 --> 01:16:47,160 Speaker 1: mean you know I can we can contact her and say, hey, baby, 1274 01:16:47,280 --> 01:16:51,360 Speaker 1: about a date. And first we have to understand first, um, 1275 01:16:51,360 --> 01:16:53,759 Speaker 1: that we're not talking to her. That's not going to happen. 1276 01:16:53,800 --> 01:16:56,120 Speaker 1: You're talking to this pimp. You know. So if you 1277 01:16:56,120 --> 01:16:58,840 Speaker 1: want to say, hey, baby, you look really hot, go 1278 01:16:58,880 --> 01:17:04,280 Speaker 1: ahead and we'll get back. Thanks. Bro. You know, I'll say, hey, 1279 01:17:04,840 --> 01:17:07,519 Speaker 1: trying to coax a different photo out of them. I 1280 01:17:07,520 --> 01:17:10,360 Speaker 1: don't think you're for real, and so they'll snap a 1281 01:17:10,360 --> 01:17:12,960 Speaker 1: picture of the phone. Now I've got all kinds of 1282 01:17:13,000 --> 01:17:17,960 Speaker 1: stuff in the background to steady, and what typically what 1283 01:17:18,040 --> 01:17:22,880 Speaker 1: I see is a whole shipload of fast food, because 1284 01:17:23,000 --> 01:17:26,200 Speaker 1: they're the ones that are kept in their motels, you know, 1285 01:17:26,520 --> 01:17:30,439 Speaker 1: with no vehicle transportation serviced by a bottom girl or 1286 01:17:30,439 --> 01:17:33,600 Speaker 1: a pimp. All they bring him is McDonald's. You know, 1287 01:17:34,439 --> 01:17:37,559 Speaker 1: there's like six cups and that tips me off to 1288 01:17:37,840 --> 01:17:40,880 Speaker 1: six big, big old cups like the largest sodas that 1289 01:17:41,320 --> 01:17:44,960 Speaker 1: McDonald's cells and they're like on the counter, you know, 1290 01:17:45,080 --> 01:17:50,160 Speaker 1: in the background, it's like is that girl drinking big sodas? 1291 01:17:50,520 --> 01:17:53,360 Speaker 1: Or are there is she in in like the logistics 1292 01:17:53,360 --> 01:17:59,080 Speaker 1: support room having lunch trying to get dates. So these 1293 01:17:59,080 --> 01:18:01,880 Speaker 1: are the kind of detail else that only somebody who 1294 01:18:01,880 --> 01:18:07,200 Speaker 1: works in this field would understand. Boy, we tear aparts 1295 01:18:07,240 --> 01:18:11,200 Speaker 1: of and I even posted one soft fren to the 1296 01:18:11,320 --> 01:18:13,800 Speaker 1: to the writers asking for assistance, like, hey, where do 1297 01:18:13,840 --> 01:18:16,919 Speaker 1: you think this picture was taken? And I had all 1298 01:18:17,040 --> 01:18:20,040 Speaker 1: kinds of input, you know, and it was pretty cool 1299 01:18:20,120 --> 01:18:23,440 Speaker 1: because you know, I didn't need a bunch of experts. 1300 01:18:23,439 --> 01:18:26,679 Speaker 1: I just need some smart people to look at things, 1301 01:18:26,880 --> 01:18:29,880 Speaker 1: you know, and tell me what they were seeing that 1302 01:18:30,040 --> 01:18:31,920 Speaker 1: was different than what I was seeing. Because after a 1303 01:18:31,920 --> 01:18:34,840 Speaker 1: while you staring at the same thing, it's like you 1304 01:18:34,920 --> 01:18:37,640 Speaker 1: got to do something like turn around and look at 1305 01:18:37,640 --> 01:18:40,600 Speaker 1: it in a mirror or something, but just get a 1306 01:18:40,600 --> 01:18:45,000 Speaker 1: different perspective. And that that crew did help me out 1307 01:18:45,120 --> 01:18:48,920 Speaker 1: quite a bit that day. Yeah, it's good to air 1308 01:18:49,000 --> 01:18:52,560 Speaker 1: man um that people are helping out once again. You 1309 01:18:52,560 --> 01:18:56,000 Speaker 1: could follow George on Twitter at George E Hand The 1310 01:18:56,040 --> 01:19:00,479 Speaker 1: Fourth George E. Hand. I v people love your articles 1311 01:19:00,600 --> 01:19:05,200 Speaker 1: on software episode, keep looking at those um And before 1312 01:19:05,280 --> 01:19:07,640 Speaker 1: we wrapped this up, I should mention that George is 1313 01:19:07,680 --> 01:19:10,000 Speaker 1: like a huge listener of the show and not just 1314 01:19:10,080 --> 01:19:12,599 Speaker 1: a favorite. And I know that you were a very 1315 01:19:12,640 --> 01:19:14,920 Speaker 1: big fan of the Mike Vining interview, which I think 1316 01:19:14,960 --> 01:19:20,200 Speaker 1: everybody was, because he was just that was unbelievad I had. 1317 01:19:20,280 --> 01:19:22,080 Speaker 1: I had no idea, That's all I can say. I 1318 01:19:22,400 --> 01:19:24,680 Speaker 1: had no idea. Everything I ever heard of that guy 1319 01:19:24,800 --> 01:19:28,479 Speaker 1: was like involved in it. That's in some aspect, but 1320 01:19:28,560 --> 01:19:31,559 Speaker 1: he's so humble that you'd never know. Yeah, that's true. 1321 01:19:31,800 --> 01:19:33,240 Speaker 1: I'm so glad we had him on to tell his 1322 01:19:33,320 --> 01:19:36,240 Speaker 1: story because we didn't even acknowledge it during the interview. 1323 01:19:36,280 --> 01:19:39,960 Speaker 1: But he's been reduced to a meme and and that 1324 01:19:40,120 --> 01:19:42,400 Speaker 1: is kind of what sucked a lot of people into listening. 1325 01:19:42,600 --> 01:19:44,559 Speaker 1: They're like, Oh, it's the guy from the meme, And 1326 01:19:44,560 --> 01:19:48,360 Speaker 1: then they listened and we're thinking, holy sh it, this 1327 01:19:48,400 --> 01:19:51,640 Speaker 1: guy has seen some very intense things between you know 1328 01:19:51,720 --> 01:19:55,080 Speaker 1: the bomb, you know, the bomb threat which took the 1329 01:19:55,160 --> 01:19:58,479 Speaker 1: life of his teammate at that Bob Dole rally, and 1330 01:19:58,560 --> 01:20:00,880 Speaker 1: just everything else. I mean, what story And I can't 1331 01:20:00,920 --> 01:20:03,080 Speaker 1: wait to have him back on the man himself is 1332 01:20:03,120 --> 01:20:07,200 Speaker 1: so much more interesting, uh and fascinating than any silly 1333 01:20:07,240 --> 01:20:10,439 Speaker 1: meme on the internet. Um. Yeah, and you know, as 1334 01:20:10,479 --> 01:20:13,240 Speaker 1: George knows, I mean, Mike Vining is you know, just 1335 01:20:13,360 --> 01:20:18,680 Speaker 1: top notch guy. Yeah. I wouldn't have picked him as 1336 01:20:18,720 --> 01:20:21,479 Speaker 1: one that would have done an interview. That's that's I mean. 1337 01:20:21,520 --> 01:20:25,080 Speaker 1: I was giddy and oh it is as quickly as 1338 01:20:25,080 --> 01:20:28,240 Speaker 1: I can with regard to his story about you know, 1339 01:20:28,280 --> 01:20:31,160 Speaker 1: that his aircraft catching on fire and everybody bailing out. 1340 01:20:32,040 --> 01:20:35,719 Speaker 1: Is that one of the guys he had fallen asleep 1341 01:20:36,320 --> 01:20:39,800 Speaker 1: before the fire started. When the fire woke him up, 1342 01:20:40,080 --> 01:20:43,040 Speaker 1: he saw everybody jumping out the you know, the pack 1343 01:20:43,160 --> 01:20:46,400 Speaker 1: store on the starboard side of the aircraft. He said, 1344 01:20:46,720 --> 01:20:49,200 Speaker 1: he was noted to. He dove out and landed flat 1345 01:20:49,200 --> 01:20:51,760 Speaker 1: on his belly, where everybody else, you know, jumped out 1346 01:20:51,800 --> 01:20:54,679 Speaker 1: and ran away. But he'd like he had got flat 1347 01:20:54,680 --> 01:20:57,240 Speaker 1: and stable and landed right on his belly. And they 1348 01:20:57,280 --> 01:20:59,920 Speaker 1: asked him why he had done that, and he said, 1349 01:21:00,920 --> 01:21:02,640 Speaker 1: when I woke up, I thought we were already in 1350 01:21:02,760 --> 01:21:06,360 Speaker 1: flight and people were do an emergency bailout. And they said, yeah, 1351 01:21:06,400 --> 01:21:08,439 Speaker 1: but you knew you didn't have a parachute. What were 1352 01:21:08,479 --> 01:21:11,360 Speaker 1: you going to do? And he said, hey, man, I 1353 01:21:11,400 --> 01:21:18,240 Speaker 1: just solved one problem at a time. Thank god, beautiful man, 1354 01:21:18,280 --> 01:21:21,040 Speaker 1: I get it, you know, just solved one problem. Solve 1355 01:21:21,080 --> 01:21:24,960 Speaker 1: the media problem. Worry about the next one later. Well. 1356 01:21:24,960 --> 01:21:27,200 Speaker 1: I feel like one of these days, the next time 1357 01:21:27,240 --> 01:21:29,280 Speaker 1: that we have you on, George, which will hopefully be 1358 01:21:29,479 --> 01:21:32,040 Speaker 1: sooner than than last time, we have to have George 1359 01:21:32,080 --> 01:21:35,519 Speaker 1: talk about his stories from Delta Force, because we haven't 1360 01:21:35,560 --> 01:21:37,400 Speaker 1: gotten that. We'll see, well, we'll see what we can 1361 01:21:37,439 --> 01:21:39,360 Speaker 1: do to twist George's arm a little bit. I know 1362 01:21:39,439 --> 01:21:41,439 Speaker 1: he doesn't like to talk too much about it either, 1363 01:21:41,640 --> 01:21:43,760 Speaker 1: but but no, we would love to hear a little 1364 01:21:43,760 --> 01:21:46,599 Speaker 1: bit of your your background too at some point, George. 1365 01:21:48,479 --> 01:21:51,960 Speaker 1: That would be fine. Man. I never get tired of 1366 01:21:52,000 --> 01:21:59,360 Speaker 1: talking about what a great guy I am. No, but yeah, maybe, yeah, 1367 01:21:59,400 --> 01:22:01,439 Speaker 1: we can do it to change the form a bit, 1368 01:22:01,520 --> 01:22:03,400 Speaker 1: and we'll see what we come up with, Matt cool 1369 01:22:03,439 --> 01:22:05,839 Speaker 1: hopefully maybe next month. I mean we have some openings 1370 01:22:05,840 --> 01:22:08,160 Speaker 1: next month, so and people up hearing from you, and 1371 01:22:08,320 --> 01:22:12,519 Speaker 1: which will hopefully also be Mike Mining Part two next month. Yeah, 1372 01:22:12,520 --> 01:22:17,160 Speaker 1: I'm trying to get that wind up. Only crap, Okay, Man, 1373 01:22:17,200 --> 01:22:21,280 Speaker 1: it's been thoroughly enjoyable. Um, I just can't wait for 1374 01:22:21,479 --> 01:22:24,559 Speaker 1: the feedback for my boss to see if I said 1375 01:22:24,560 --> 01:22:28,160 Speaker 1: things I shouldn't have said. Oh, I hope not. Hey, 1376 01:22:28,200 --> 01:22:29,880 Speaker 1: if there's anything you need me to add it out, 1377 01:22:30,080 --> 01:22:35,240 Speaker 1: just let me know. Chuck. Oh, thanks you guys. Yeah, 1378 01:22:35,240 --> 01:22:37,240 Speaker 1: thanks for taking some time for us today. George really 1379 01:22:37,280 --> 01:22:40,479 Speaker 1: appreciate it. Thanks you, jacking In. I'm a huge fan. 1380 01:22:41,439 --> 01:22:57,519 Speaker 1: Thanks man about you. You've been listening to self Rep Radio. 1381 01:22:58,040 --> 01:23:01,720 Speaker 1: New episodes up every Wednesday Friday for all of the 1382 01:23:01,760 --> 01:23:05,559 Speaker 1: great content from our veteran journalists. 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