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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from coast to coast am on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Your latest book is called The Ancient Tradition of Angels.

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Speaker 2: Let's talk a little bit about angels. What do you

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Speaker 2: think they are? Anyway?

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Speaker 3: I think they are a state of consciousness. And as

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Speaker 3: I was investigating angels, the thing that were so fascinating

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Speaker 3: to me about it is that no matter what your

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Speaker 3: spiritual belief is, whether you grew up Christian or Muslim,

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Speaker 3: or Buddhist, or your Zdi or Zoroastrian, every religious tradition

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Speaker 3: has angels, and they are basically a state of consciousness.

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Speaker 3: In my understanding of what physics calls quantum entanglement, if

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Speaker 3: we are beings of light and more and more, we

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Speaker 3: are hearing that we are made of the same light

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Speaker 3: particles and the dust of the universe from which you know,

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Speaker 3: all of God's creation, those spiritual creation comes from that

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Speaker 3: includes the angels, and so we are all part of that.

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Speaker 3: And quantum entanglement tells us that any two things that

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Speaker 3: have ever been together at any time, or no matter

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Speaker 3: the time or distance, they continue to resonate with each other.

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Speaker 3: And so we're still, you know, eons apart and thousands

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Speaker 3: of years apart and galaxies away, we still resonate with

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Speaker 3: the angels.

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Speaker 2: Why are angels depicted in pictures normandy with wings when

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Speaker 2: we really don't think they have wings?

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Speaker 3: Well, they are either wing it sometimes they appear wing

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Speaker 3: it because they come post swiftly. I think the depiction

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Speaker 3: of the wings has to do with the way in

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Speaker 3: which they travel instantaneously in time. They are no further

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Speaker 3: away than a thought, you know, and so that's why

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Speaker 3: they're depicted as winged, you know. But in the Bible

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Speaker 3: they look human, you know, they could look human, or

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Speaker 3: sometimes they just look indistinct like clowns. So, but it's

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Speaker 3: the feeling, it's the impression. It's the knowing that there's

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Speaker 3: another consciousness that you're in touch with and that you're

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Speaker 3: receiving that's the operative thing from angels. It's that you

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Speaker 3: are receiving information from a divine source through the presence

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Speaker 3: of the angel.

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Speaker 2: One of my favorite movies always appears during the Christmas season.

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Speaker 2: It's a Wonderful Life with Jimmy Stewart. I'm sure that's

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Speaker 2: one of the classics, and they are saved by an angel,

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Speaker 2: right mm hmm.

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Speaker 3: Harvey's your name?

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Speaker 2: Harvey Clarence Clarences right, that's right, good old Clarence. The

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Speaker 2: angel saved him by tricking him thinking he was drowning

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Speaker 2: in the river. Jimmy Steward dives in and pulls him out,

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Speaker 2: and that's how it started with one of the classics.

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Speaker 2: I'll always remember that movie.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that was a good movie.

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Speaker 2: The angels take different forms, Yeah, they do take different

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Speaker 2: forms that as I mentioned before.

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Speaker 3: The three major ones though, are a physical form, a

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Speaker 3: winged form, or a thought form.

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Speaker 2: I mean, can they be among us and we don't

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Speaker 2: even know it?

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Oh yeah, I think that's that most of

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Speaker 3: the angels that I've seen, that's what That's how I've

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Speaker 3: seen him.

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Speaker 2: Have you ever had an angelic encounter directly?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 2: What happened? Tell us the story?

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Speaker 3: Well, I was in age this one. I remember. I

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Speaker 3: was in Egypt and I went back to the market

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Speaker 3: in the night to get a statue that I thought

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Speaker 3: I knew where it was. And I went into the

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Speaker 3: market by myself and it got late, everything was closing.

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Speaker 3: I bought the statue, but then I got lost. The

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Speaker 3: fog had come in and I couldn't find my way back,

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Speaker 3: and someone started following me, and it got very scary.

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Speaker 3: I was running through the streets and then all of

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Speaker 3: a sudden, went out of nowhere from the missed parts,

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Speaker 3: and there's a young boy, you know, in his goat'll

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Speaker 3: be a on his buggy and horse and buggy, and

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Speaker 3: he hollers at me, lady, your hotel is this way,

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Speaker 3: and he points to the left, and so I took

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Speaker 3: the corner turn left, and sure enough there was my hotel.

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Speaker 3: And as I got into the lobby, I thought, how

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Speaker 2: Where my host?

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Speaker 3: You?

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Speaker 4: Who this guy is? You know? And I looked back

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Speaker 4: and he was gone, you know.

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Speaker 2: So it's like, okay, what do you think Normandy about

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Speaker 2: Guardian angels?

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Speaker 3: Well, I believe we had Guardian angels as well. I

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Speaker 3: had an accident recently, which is never fun. A truck

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Speaker 3: view mirror of my car, and you know, gave me

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Speaker 3: at the ground and there was a feather right there

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Speaker 3: where i'd you know, I was like, okay, thank you.

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Speaker 3: I just felt like I had been saved, you know,

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Speaker 3: pushed over kind of right at the moment where I

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Speaker 3: wasn't going to hit the guardrail and went into the median.

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Speaker 3: But it wasn't sent me any place crazy, So it

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Speaker 3: was exactly the right place.

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Speaker 2: Like a forest, gumfort a feather huh.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like a forest gump.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Another time I saw a city of angels lies up.

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Speaker 3: It was the day of the Harmonic Convergence. I was

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Speaker 3: living in Boulder, Colorado.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we go to Boulder every month to do

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Speaker 2: some TV shows with Gaya.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, well, so I was. I was in Boulder,

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Speaker 3: I lived sort of near the Foothels, and I decided

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Speaker 3: at Gong I was going to climb up with my

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Speaker 3: friend Jesse. We were going to climb up in the

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Speaker 3: foothills to where we could see the sunrise on the

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Speaker 3: day of the Harmonic Convergence. So we're sitting up there,

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Speaker 3: very quiet, and as the sun begins to come up,

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Speaker 3: I see in the distance there is a city of gold,

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Speaker 3: an entire city of gold. I had never seen such

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Speaker 3: and when I looked at it, it was like I

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Speaker 3: could see all of the mansions on this heaped up hillside.

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Speaker 3: I was like wow, and I poked my friend Jesse

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Speaker 3: and she said, do you see it too? I said, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 3: So I didn't know what it was. I'd called it

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Speaker 3: my City of Angels, but then later as I was

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Speaker 3: researching my book, I discovered that that's something that it's

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Speaker 3: called in the Eastern tradition, is called Mount Mahrut and

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Speaker 3: Mount Meru is where all the Dvata live, all of

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Speaker 3: the Hindu guardian angels and spirit beings. So I got

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Speaker 3: to see that as well. Not that was kind of

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Speaker 2: Or did some of these angels like Michael and those

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Speaker 2: get their names.

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Speaker 3: Well, they all the l you know, Rosael, Gobraiel, Nikayel Rail,

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Speaker 3: all of the El's. The last name means of God,

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Speaker 3: and so it's a Hebrew connection of like the strength

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Speaker 3: of God, the fire of God, the light of God,

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Speaker 3: those kinds of things. That's where they get their name.

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Speaker 3: But their Hebrews and most of what we know about

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Speaker 3: angels comes from a rabbi whose name was Eliezer ben

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Speaker 3: Judah of Worms. He was in the Middle Ages, and

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Speaker 3: he was wild about angels and he wrote. He wrote

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Speaker 3: all of these books and practiced drawing them into manifestation.

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Speaker 3: You know, he practiced the matria in the very cabalistic way.

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Speaker 3: And you know, he's the one who gave us the

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Speaker 3: whole idea of angelology to start with. And then the

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Speaker 3: study that I did. I highly recommend a book by

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Speaker 3: who stopped Davidson who wanted to study angels and tried

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Speaker 3: to find every single angel he could possibly find named

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Speaker 3: in any source so that he could use it for poetry,

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Speaker 3: you know, the way real to use angels and his poetry.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, I think it started with Eliezer bin Judah

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Speaker 2: What do you think of fallen angels? Did they really

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Speaker 2: fall or did they really fall well from grace?

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Speaker 3: Did they fall from grace?

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Speaker 4: I think.

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Speaker 3: Let me put it this way. If an angel is consciousness,

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Speaker 3: and that there are various laws of manifestation in the world,

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Speaker 3: natural laws, and that includes the natural law of karma

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Speaker 3: or uh, there's there's a natural law of vibration. There's

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Speaker 3: a natural law of correspondence and a natural law of oppositions. Ah.

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Speaker 3: The natural law of oppositions means that for every positive

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Speaker 3: thing that we recognize, there is a negative on the

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Speaker 3: other side. But if what we're talking about is that

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Speaker 3: it's all consciousness and it's all part of the mind

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Speaker 3: of God, and I think the Lastrians are closer to

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Speaker 3: understanding the whole concept of the mind of God as

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Speaker 3: being both positive and negative because.

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Speaker 4: They had.

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Speaker 3: Angra Manu, who was sort.

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Speaker 4: Of the bad guy, you know, the more fallen angel type, yes,

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Speaker 4: and then a hurah.

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Speaker 3: Masda, who was the you know, the most holy angel,

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Speaker 3: the great goodness, And so you could follow either one

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Speaker 3: of them, but that they believed that they came from

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Speaker 3: the mind, because a hohah Mansda means good mind. That's

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Speaker 3: exactly the translation of that.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure you've read the Bible, Normandy, what do you

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Speaker 2: think of the Bible and as it relates to angels.

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Speaker 3: I think you find more angels in the Old Testament

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Speaker 3: than you do in the New Testament.

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Speaker 1: And I.

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Speaker 3: Some people, some preachers about that, and they said that

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Speaker 3: it was the prophecy was in the Old Testament. The

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Speaker 3: manifestation was in the New Testament. So why would you

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Speaker 3: need a whole bunch of angels to give you messages

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Speaker 3: about the coming of the Messiah when the stories were

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Speaker 4: I got good point.

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Speaker 2: When people pray, they pray to God. Yeah, Now who

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Speaker 2: sends the angels down to save us? Does God do

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Speaker 2: that or do they pick Okay, yeah.

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Speaker 3: It's kind of ridiculous to pray to angels because they

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Speaker 3: can't do They can't do anything unless God tells them

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Speaker 2: They get the clearance from God.

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Speaker 3: Right, that's right, that's right. They carry our prayers upstairs,

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Speaker 3: and they carry his messages downstairs. So they're the elevator

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Speaker 2: But they're the doors of getting things done, aren't they?

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Speaker 3: Sure?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the nepheline, are they the offspring of the fallen angels?

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Speaker 4: Well that that's uh, that's the belief, you know, And

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Speaker 4: that was taken out of the Bible.

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Speaker 3: Those were apocrypha or chapters that were deleted that talk

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Speaker 3: all about the children of the fallen angels, the humans

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Speaker 3: and the angelic realm, and they were the reason that

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Speaker 3: the flood was sent because God said, oh that was

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Speaker 3: a bad idea to have angels in humans meet. I.

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Speaker 3: You know, I don't know exactly what I think about that.

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Speaker 4: I have a feeling that there was another race that.

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Speaker 3: Was part of the whole creation of well basically creation

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Speaker 3: of our consciousness. But how many thousand years ago was that.

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Speaker 2: You're talking way back?

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Speaker 4: I guess we'll never really know.

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Speaker 2: The title of your books is called the Ancient Tradition

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Speaker 2: of Angels. What does that mean.

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Speaker 3: That? In my opinion, I a lot of what I

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Speaker 3: learned in Egypt was what gave rise to this whole

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Speaker 3: study with angels. You know, you have those images of

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Speaker 3: the boss als, which are the human headed hawks, and

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Speaker 3: you have pictures in the in the Coptic churches and

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Speaker 3: in the Muslim churches of angels that are just faces

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Speaker 3: with wings, you know, souls and flight faces with wings.

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Speaker 3: So I think it all comes from an understanding of

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Speaker 3: the natural world as being a divine Morald, and that

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Speaker 3: that's where we get a lot of metaphysics, alchemy, you know,

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Speaker 3: that sort of thing. So the angels grew out of

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Speaker 3: my study an ancient agent.

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Speaker 2: Why do we need angels, Normandy to help us? Why

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Speaker 2: can't we just do it on our own.

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Speaker 3: Well, I've tried that, did it work? It doesn't always

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Speaker 3: work that well to try it on my own. So

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Speaker 3: that I've come back to a point where I said,

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Speaker 3: I take that back.

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Speaker 2: You know, so you need a little assistance, a little assistance.

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Speaker 3: Huh yeah. I mean we can pray for whatever we

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Speaker 3: want to pray for. But the way to really live

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Speaker 3: a happy and successful life is to not be so

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Speaker 3: interested in having.

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Speaker 4: What you want, but in saying, if.

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Speaker 3: It's your will, and that's the operative word, if it's

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Speaker 3: your will, this would be you know something, I would

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Speaker 3: like to have this or something better, So that you're

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Speaker 3: letting the divine or you're letting providence make the decision,

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Speaker 3: and that you give me a sign and show me

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Speaker 3: which way to go.

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