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Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to this episode of the

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Speaker 1: Weekly Sitgeist. Uh. These are some of our favorite segments

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Speaker 1: from this week, all edited together into one uh NonStop

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Speaker 1: infotainment laugh stravaganza. Uh yeah, So, without further ado, here

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Speaker 1: is the Weekly site Geist. All Right, we're gonna open

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Speaker 1: up talking about the continuing to evolve fallout from the

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Speaker 1: Fire and Fury book. No, I can't get my hands

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Speaker 1: on it. I mean I could get I could get

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Speaker 1: an e book first. I was gonna be like, you

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Speaker 1: have that, I can hired it. I can get a PDF.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, no, I've not. I mean I've been reading

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Speaker 1: a lot of excerpts. I don't know if I want

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Speaker 1: to read it quite yet because I'm just getting all

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Speaker 1: the juicy stuff. I feel like I'm just gonna like

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Speaker 1: roll my eyes so hard into my head, like I

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Speaker 1: just I injure myself. Um. But yeah, So it's by

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Speaker 1: Michael Wolf. We talked about last week, how you know,

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Speaker 1: not the the most trustworthy source of information based on

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Speaker 1: his track record. Um, but the President is certainly responding

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Speaker 1: to the allegations in the book in a way that

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Speaker 1: suggests he's taking them very seriously. Um. He telegraphs things.

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Speaker 1: He's not a great he is not. Um. He spent

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Speaker 1: the weekend bragging about how smart he was after um,

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Speaker 1: you know, last week, so the book came out and

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Speaker 1: people were shocked that Steve Bannon uh talked open ship

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Speaker 1: it was for them to uh commit treason and not

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Speaker 1: have other people just do that for them. And uh,

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Speaker 1: I know, he was even like, if you're gonna do it, yeah, yeah, man,

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Speaker 1: He's like, that's wrong, going to meet my prostitutes exactly. Uh.

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Speaker 1: But so so Trump responded to that by calling him

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Speaker 1: slappy Steve, and you know, just that's the kiss of death.

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Speaker 1: You got him nickname. Bro, when you get the nickname,

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Speaker 1: you're done. I bet I bet that got Steve too.

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Speaker 1: I bet Bannon was like, did you call him sloppy? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: He like looks in the mirror for the first time

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Speaker 1: in years. Fun amazing. It just it took that nickname

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Speaker 1: for him to have a moment of like self awareness, parity.

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Speaker 1: But like son of a bit, he's Jim Blossom. Jin

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Speaker 1: Blossom face looks terrible. I think I know why I

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Speaker 1: basically a Jim blossom at this point. Oh yeah, somewhat impressive,

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Speaker 1: feel like. People on Twitter also said, it looks like

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Speaker 1: I just a rotten can of spam too. It's just

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Speaker 1: it's not it's not a it's not a good look.

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Speaker 1: I tweeted that he is phillipsy Moore Hoffman's corpse playing

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Speaker 1: Steve Bannon's is what he looks like. He's like they

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Speaker 1: dug him up and I let him do. He's a

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Speaker 1: good actor. That's what he is. Actually, I tweeted. I

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Speaker 1: was like, he is, and it may be mad because

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Speaker 1: no one it didn't get as many as I liked,

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Speaker 1: and then I got mad and retweeted. I was like,

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Speaker 1: if Patton would have tweeted this, everyone would be asleep

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Speaker 1: from coming so hard. All Right, everyone give people to

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Speaker 1: date so you can retroactively, like to retweet that ship. Alright, we'll, we'll,

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Speaker 1: we'll retweet. That's all I really care. But a perfect tweet,

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Speaker 1: but so um. Bannon has since then responded to the

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Speaker 1: President's name calling by UH five days later, apologizing and

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Speaker 1: saying his quotes were taken out of context. Apparently UH

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Speaker 1: some of his financial backers, the Mercer family, are you know,

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Speaker 1: are like, we haven't talked to him in months and

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Speaker 1: we're not funding him anymore. Bullshit. Yeah, so uh he

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Speaker 1: What have I said? No, a friend of mine who

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Speaker 1: he's like a hacker and does others. Oh. I was

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Speaker 1: like crazy. I was like, whoa you know someone that

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Speaker 1: the one that you're like, we need to watch him

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Speaker 1: But that the most fascinating part of the Expert I

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Speaker 1: He's like if a muppet was evil. He uh. And

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Speaker 1: here's why I know the president is a genius. Uh.

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Speaker 1: That's not even a compliment. He's just saying he talked

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Speaker 1: just sit back and watch people talk about the news exactly. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it was so clear that like the White House was

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Speaker 1: Oh so when you were saying earlier that Trump, what's

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Speaker 1: and he's the one to remove the sheets himself. That's strange,

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Speaker 1: a Axios article that just came out. They got their

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Speaker 1: the actual schedule that you know, journalists have to work

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Speaker 1: Trump's schedule and apparently the people around him are worried

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Speaker 1: Sadly Santa University was snubbed on air, but we did

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Speaker 1: barnacle on the whole of my mother's career. Your mother

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Speaker 1: is an esteemed member of the Impress. Yeah, she's been

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Speaker 1: of speculation of like the danger that you know that

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00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 1: she would she could possibly be in. Yeah, and I

423
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:14,280
Speaker 1: mean not that that was the only reason, but yeah,

424
00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:16,639
Speaker 1: it's I think it makes sense. You know, some people like,

425
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 1: well then why would she just out herself and it's

426
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:21,560
Speaker 1: she gives a very good explanation of what was going

427
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:24,520
Speaker 1: on and what her intentions were with it. Yeah. So

428
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:28,639
Speaker 1: this was she created a Google doc where women could

429
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:33,879
Speaker 1: post anonymously, uh, their experiences with different men in the

430
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:37,560
Speaker 1: media industry. Uh, and you know, they could post any

431
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:44,479
Speaker 1: sort of sexual misconduct, bullying behavior, and uh, you know,

432
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:47,199
Speaker 1: the the way that the story had come down to

433
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:50,320
Speaker 1: me was that you know, it kind of got out

434
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:54,080
Speaker 1: of hand, and you know, people's names were being thrown

435
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:58,800
Speaker 1: on there that you know, with without accountability. And she

436
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:02,080
Speaker 1: does a really good job of kind of explaining where

437
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:05,240
Speaker 1: she was coming from. I thought, um, and one of

438
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 1: the things that I hadn't realized is it was only

439
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:08,960
Speaker 1: up for a couple of hours. It was up for

440
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 1: like twelve hours, right, and then it just got flooded

441
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:16,080
Speaker 1: with with entries and she was pointing out that, um

442
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:18,200
Speaker 1: was she was she sharing it with like specific friends

443
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:20,359
Speaker 1: or something before that was is that the deal? Or

444
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:22,560
Speaker 1: it was just at all on the internet for about

445
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 1: twelve hours and then it got railed. I think she

446
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:29,960
Speaker 1: was sharing it with specific friends and it got like

447
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:33,200
Speaker 1: spread around. It was probably like an invite only thing

448
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:36,600
Speaker 1: the way you can on like a Google doc, and uh,

449
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:41,640
Speaker 1: it got spread so fast and to so many people. Uh.

450
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:44,880
Speaker 1: And then I think within twelve hours, BuzzFeed was like

451
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:49,640
Speaker 1: going to publish an article about the Shitty Men list,

452
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:51,680
Speaker 1: and she was like, Okay, this is kind of gotten

453
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:54,200
Speaker 1: away from me. So I think she took it down

454
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:56,679
Speaker 1: at that point. But then that but then people had

455
00:26:56,720 --> 00:27:02,640
Speaker 1: already sort of duplicated it and posted everything. Yeah. Yeah, Um,

456
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 1: so I mean the points that she made were, uh,

457
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:13,640
Speaker 1: the ways that women have to adjudicate this sort of behavior, uh,

458
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 1: you know are not great, Like if you want to

459
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:20,439
Speaker 1: report it to HR, HR main interest is only to

460
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:25,159
Speaker 1: protect the company from any sort of you know, litigation.

461
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 1: So their main interest is not in helping the victim

462
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:32,919
Speaker 1: at all. And we've seen that time and again with

463
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 1: these accusations especially, I mean the ones in politics were

464
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 1: really bad because they would like make the victims do

465
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:44,679
Speaker 1: counseling with the people they were accusing of, you know,

466
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 1: sexual harassment all the way up to sexual assault. Um.

467
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 1: And she was saying, the police, uh, you know, present

468
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:57,480
Speaker 1: their own set of problems. I think that's the one

469
00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 1: that um people are usually well just go to the police. Um.

470
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean the police are notoriously, as she

471
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 1: puts it, notoriously inept with handling sexual assault cases. Um.

472
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:15,200
Speaker 1: And so she was saying, the spreadsheet basically made a presumption,

473
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 1: uh that our culture sees as radical, but that she's

474
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 1: kind of raising the question should it be seen as radical,

475
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:26,719
Speaker 1: uh that it is men, not women who are responsible

476
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:30,959
Speaker 1: for men's sexual misconduct. It's you know, it's just letting

477
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 1: women kind of put their voices out there. And uh,

478
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 1: you know, the other point she's making is that she

479
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 1: didn't intend for this to be a public thing. She

480
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 1: kind of does a really good job of describing the

481
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 1: sort of historic importance of whisper networks, because if you

482
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 1: don't have a public way of you know, informing other

483
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 1: women that somebody is you know, problematic or scary to

484
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:59,720
Speaker 1: be around, then you have women kind of talking to

485
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 1: each they're in private and telling each other, you know,

486
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 1: keep an eye up for that person. Um. And that's

487
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 1: basically what she was hoping to accomplish with a spreadsheet,

488
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 1: but just in a more formalized way, because whisper networks,

489
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 1: because they're informal, tend to be you know, discriminatory or

490
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 1: like they don't include women of color or people who

491
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 1: aren't like already friends. They can be elitist or she says. So, Um,

492
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 1: the document was more responsible than I had assumed given

493
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 1: the you know versions that I had heard in the media.

494
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 1: Like they visibly distinguished violent accusations from others. Um, they

495
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 1: were you know, very clear about what the accusations were.

496
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 1: So you know, it's almost like more responsible than a

497
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 1: whisper network is kind of what she was hoping to

498
00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 1: get at. It's just that, um, because there was evidence

499
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 1: of it, that's what kind of caused the problem. Yeah,

500
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 1: it seems like if there was a better way to

501
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 1: do it, they would do it. You know. It's it's

502
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 1: sort of like how a lot of these things are

503
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 1: being prosecuted on Twitter basically, and there are issues with that,

504
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 1: but it's way better than what we're doing before, which

505
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 1: is nothing like we just have to do something. Well. Yeah,

506
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 1: it's like sort of it seems like the evolution of

507
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 1: all of these new revelations and like as part of

508
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 1: the sea change is figuring out how if we have

509
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 1: if we're going to move away from the whisper network

510
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:34,480
Speaker 1: way of informing people, Like, what's that next logical step

511
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 1: to do it in a way that's that's I guess

512
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 1: the most responsible way considering all parties involved. That is

513
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 1: just complete like you know, sort of social media accusations

514
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 1: because that's kind of the way it's been done now. Um.

515
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 1: And just another point that I guess she doesn't specifically raise,

516
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 1: but you know a lot of people are like, well,

517
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 1: how do we know it's true? And there's sort of

518
00:30:56,560 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 1: this implicit assumption I think on some men's part that

519
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 1: you know, making accusations against a man is something a

520
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 1: woman would do, you know, easily and for fun. And

521
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 1: at the end of the article, I was surprised to

522
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 1: see that like a lot of the things that she

523
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 1: was worried about when she first put the doc up

524
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 1: like actually came to pass. She said, in the weeks

525
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 1: after the spreadsheet was exposed, my life changed dramatically. I

526
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:26,480
Speaker 1: lost friends, some who thought I had been over zealous,

527
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 1: others who thought I hadn't been zealous enough. She lost

528
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 1: her job, um, and the fear of being exposed and

529
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 1: the harassment that will inevitably follow. Um. You know, just

530
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 1: in my time it cracked, we had communities of mostly

531
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 1: gaming communities who just objected to something a female actress

532
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 1: did in one of our videos, and you know, they

533
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 1: would go after them in such a violent and like

534
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 1: horrifying way. Um. So it just seems like, you know,

535
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 1: even though she's she's not being dramatic when she says

536
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 1: that she's worried about that, and like the way that

537
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 1: online communities go after people, especially like men's rights activists,

538
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 1: is pretty Uh, it's crazy as bad as you assume

539
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 1: it is. It's oftentimes worse than that. Yeah. I mean

540
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 1: there's people who are opposed to this list for certain

541
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 1: specific reasons, and then there are people who are opposed

542
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 1: to this list who tracked down people's parents addresses because

543
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 1: they're upset, you know what I mean, Like it's there,

544
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 1: it's a it's a real thing. And her thing was

545
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 1: you're saying, like her intention from the jump wasn't to

546
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 1: like it wasn't meant to be a weapon or inflict consequences.

547
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 1: It was just basically they're as like information for women

548
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 1: to decide themselves if by like looking at this, are

549
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 1: they around these people as it like, are they willing

550
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 1: to put themselves like in any kind of danger based

551
00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 1: on what other people are saying? And yeah, and it

552
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 1: turned into like, yeah, the first thing I heard was

553
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 1: like it's people were kind of spinning. It's like, oh,

554
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 1: it's like the fucking it's like a list of all

555
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 1: the people who are evil and it must be dealt with.

556
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 1: When it was something that was started with a completely

557
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 1: different intention. Yeah, because from what I've heard about it,

558
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 1: there were a lot of people on the list for

559
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 1: like terrible violent things, and then there were also people

560
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 1: on the list for still bad things, but it's like, oh,

561
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 1: this guy makes weird comments. So then she also she

562
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 1: that was fastening in her article, she said, like, it's

563
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 1: also I was hoping it like a garden variety resource

564
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 1: for someone to just figure out, Oh, is it worth

565
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:32,959
Speaker 1: some weird comments to work at this gig or not.

566
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 1: I can make my own decision, and that's usual, you know. Yeah. Also,

567
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 1: the very first thing on the dock is this document

568
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 1: is only a collection of misconduct allegations and rumors. Take

569
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 1: everything with a grain of salt. If you see a

570
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 1: man you're friends with, don't freak out. Uh So, yeah,

571
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 1: there there's a big disclaimer that I don't know, I

572
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 1: think it's pretty responsible. Like that's not written in a

573
00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 1: small type at the bottom, and it's the first thing

574
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 1: you see on the dock, and it's written in big

575
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 1: red letters. Um. Which is a shame that like Harper's

576
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:11,440
Speaker 1: was gonna name her like that, and it forced her

577
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:13,720
Speaker 1: to do that when it was something kind of started

578
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 1: with the with the with you know, with the intent

579
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 1: to help and protect women from some of these men,

580
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:22,800
Speaker 1: I would say, with the intent to help them protect women.

581
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:27,319
Speaker 1: And I think that's functionally what they were doing, Like,

582
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 1: I don't I I think the idea that it was, uh,

583
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 1: you know, a dangerous thing is kind of I don't know.

584
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:40,280
Speaker 1: I get the concern, but it really seems like based

585
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 1: on the sort of landscape that she lays out, it

586
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 1: seems like a valuable tool to like they because the

587
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 1: other version is nothing like what. I still don't see

588
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:57,400
Speaker 1: what women have to communicate with one another, like communicate

589
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:01,320
Speaker 1: this information to one another other than in formal whisper networks,

590
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:03,400
Speaker 1: right and again. And that was her whole thing, was

591
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:06,840
Speaker 1: that those whisper networks are inherently flawed and can exclude

592
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 1: people who this information might also be of value to

593
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 1: super producer Anahosnia, did you have something you wanted to

594
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 1: drop in here? Um? Yeah, basically I feel like this

595
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:23,880
Speaker 1: list is very important. Um. And these kinds of lists

596
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:29,360
Speaker 1: exist through small, much smaller subcultures like comedy groups anywhere

597
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 1: where there's like a group of women who have to

598
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 1: work together and have you know, potentially creepy mails around.

599
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:40,280
Speaker 1: These lists come out and they're sent around. I've received

600
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 1: lists like this being like, you know, I booked this

601
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 1: podcast and women just want me to know who has

602
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 1: accusations against them and who has been known to you know,

603
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:52,319
Speaker 1: be a certain way. And and I think it's they're

604
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 1: everywhere women. No. Women, We are organized, we we know

605
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 1: who's out there, we categorize. These things will always pop up.

606
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:03,400
Speaker 1: And I think to make for whoever to say that

607
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 1: this is dangerous, It might be dangerous, but it's also

608
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 1: incredibly important to have these lists, and and they will

609
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 1: always they will always exist. If women are here, we

610
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 1: know who you are, and we might not say anything,

611
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 1: but we know one thing I know about women, They

612
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:26,279
Speaker 1: don't like to talk to each other about anything. Um No,

613
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:29,319
Speaker 1: but I mean, like, so let's also look at some

614
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 1: of the other alternatives we haven't talked about yet. So

615
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 1: you're mentioning these smaller, more informal kind of networks or

616
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:39,360
Speaker 1: lists that people have. Uh, this just seems like a

617
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:44,839
Speaker 1: central repository for people to share the information with one another. Um.

618
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 1: The other way that these are being adjudicated that probably

619
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 1: is more dangerous for people is by people publicly making

620
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 1: the accusations on Twitter or on social media and you

621
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:02,239
Speaker 1: know that person and metly being you know, shamed and

622
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:06,799
Speaker 1: presumed guilty. Uh. This is like the privacy of this

623
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 1: and like the anonymity of it, I think is a

624
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:13,839
Speaker 1: very valuable thing that at least she was trying to do. Yeah,

625
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 1: I agree with that, because to actively come after someone

626
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 1: puts you in a very sensitive position. You don't know

627
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 1: who will come after you because of that, and I

628
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:26,759
Speaker 1: think it's important to be able to be informed but

629
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 1: not act. You know, someone can tell me someone is

630
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 1: problematic and doesn't mean I'm gonna go up to that

631
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 1: person be like, yeah, it just knows that I know

632
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 1: to be protect myself a little around that person. I'm

633
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 1: not going to go after anyone. I just now know

634
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 1: who I should spend maybe less time with, maybe someone

635
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:48,840
Speaker 1: I don't tell where I live, or someone I don't

636
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Speaker 1: or just stay after hours with, or reevaluate the how

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Speaker 1: they move and and just kind of be aware of what,

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Speaker 1: you know, what kind of ulterior motives they might have.

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Speaker 1: And I mean, this thing was is immediately incredibly into her,

640
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 1: she said, shockingly popular, Like she the really eye opening

641
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Speaker 1: experience for her was just how common this was. She

642
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:16,879
Speaker 1: was saying that, you know, the thing that women kept saying, who, uh,

643
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Speaker 1: you know we're invited to this list was how surprised

644
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Speaker 1: they were to see both the people who they would

645
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:30,240
Speaker 1: accuse of something being on that list doing the exact

646
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Speaker 1: same thing to somebody else, or just other people doing

647
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Speaker 1: the exact same behavior that like someone else did to them. Um,

648
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Speaker 1: So I don't know, Like the seeing it from her

649
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Speaker 1: perspective made me think, Okay, we need something, We need

650
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Speaker 1: something that is like this, and if it's not this,

651
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:52,879
Speaker 1: it's got to be something else, because I mean, there

652
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 1: is an absolute need for this sort of thing. Yeah. Also,

653
00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 1: it is somewhat like therapy to see that someone else

654
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 1: may be harassed by that same person, so you don't

655
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 1: feel as crazy. It almost it makes you feel like, Okay, yeah,

656
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:10,359
Speaker 1: you're right. I wasn't over exaggerating when I thought this

657
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 1: guy was being a little weird, Like I wasn't just

658
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 1: overthinking it, like oh no, he has a behavior that

659
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:19,960
Speaker 1: other women have seen and there's something it makes you

660
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 1: feel better, right, Yeah, And she she goes on to

661
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 1: mention that, like how the doagument is clearly like cathartic

662
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Speaker 1: for the women who were using it because they were

663
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Speaker 1: able to encourage one another and yeah it it basically yeah,

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Speaker 1: because for so long we were just not having this

665
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Speaker 1: discussion out in the open. So now it's like we're

666
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 1: at a point we're like, how do we have this

667
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Speaker 1: discussion on the open And this is a step towards

668
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Speaker 1: figuring that out to create the transparency and accountability that

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Speaker 1: we just we just need to protect people from predators, right.

670
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Speaker 1: She she points out that, you know, the thing that

671
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Speaker 1: we're finding out in this whole postwine steam world is

672
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:58,279
Speaker 1: that the current situation is untenable. Nobody should have to

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Speaker 1: live in the way that we've been living up to

674
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Speaker 1: this point. Now, just to quote her, we're being challenged

675
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Speaker 1: to imagine how we would prefer things to be. And

676
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Speaker 1: this feed of imagination is about not a prescriptive dictation

677
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Speaker 1: of acceptable sexual behaviors, but the desire for a kinder,

678
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:20,399
Speaker 1: more respectful, and more equitable world. Um, like, you need

679
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Speaker 1: to create tools that will enforce that kind of behavior.

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Speaker 1: And I mean a point she makes is that, you know,

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Speaker 1: the document is not just an end in and of itself.

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Speaker 1: It's a tool for you know, women to communicate with

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Speaker 1: one another. And you know, if a guy's name is

684
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Speaker 1: in red, they highlighted names in red where the behavior

685
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Speaker 1: was violent, and if six different people are reporting it,

686
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Speaker 1: you know, then that's an opportunity for them to come

687
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Speaker 1: together and you know, pursue some sort of real world action. Um.

688
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:57,359
Speaker 1: But again, she's just being very respectful in the way

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Speaker 1: that she's suggesting that's done. It's not. Uh, it doesn't

690
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Speaker 1: seem like it's this mob, runaway mob mentality. Alright, we're

691
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Speaker 1: gonna take a quick break. We'll be right back, and

692
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Speaker 1: we're back, uh President Trump. Uh. So we talked earlier

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Speaker 1: about how I think it's Axios got access to his

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Speaker 1: actual schedule, Like there's the public schedule that the President's

695
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Speaker 1: office gives out to the media that is, you know,

696
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Speaker 1: very vague, but also makes it seem like the president

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Speaker 1: is a hard worker in this case. Uh, And we

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Speaker 1: uh we talked about how over the over the last year,

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Speaker 1: he is like, on average, uh, started work at eleven

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Speaker 1: and gotten off work at six, so he's putting in

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Speaker 1: a solid seven hours. Um. But they pulled like random

702
00:41:56,400 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 1: examples from his actual like weekly schedule from the week

703
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 1: they were looking at, and we were giving him way

704
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 1: way too much credit. So I wanted to I wanted

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Speaker 1: to read just what what his days looked like. So

706
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:16,399
Speaker 1: on Tuesday, Trump has his first meeting of the day

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Speaker 1: with Chief of staff John Kelly at eleven am. Uh.

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Speaker 1: He then has quote executive time for an hour. So

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Speaker 1: eight to eleven am we talked about is is executive

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Speaker 1: time and that's Uh. That means that he's in his

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Speaker 1: bedroom watching Fox News and tweeting and eating cheeseburgers in

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Speaker 1: bed presumably. Uh, no way, there's no way we have

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Speaker 1: like an electronic record that he's tweeting and watching Fox.

714
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Speaker 1: There's not time stamps or stuff lining up right. Uh,

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Speaker 1: So me first meeting at eleven am. Uh, then he

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Speaker 1: has executive time for an hour after that meeting, followed

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Speaker 1: by an hour lunch in the private dining room. Then

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Speaker 1: it's another hour and fifteen minute minutes of executive time,

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Speaker 1: followed by a forty five minute meeting with National Security

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Speaker 1: Advisor hr McMaster, then another fifteen minutes of executive time

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Speaker 1: before Trump takes his last meeting of the day, a

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Speaker 1: three forty five meeting with the head of Presidential Personnel

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Speaker 1: Johnny di Stefano, before ending his official day at UH.

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Speaker 1: Other days are fairly similar unless the president is traveling,

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Speaker 1: in which case the days run longer. On Wednesday this week,

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Speaker 1: for example, the president meets at eleven am for his

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Speaker 1: intelligence briefing. He then has executive time until two pm,

728
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Speaker 1: where he meets with the Norwegian Prime Minister. His last

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00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 1: official duty a video recording with Hope Picks at four pm.

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Speaker 1: Uh okay, so those are pretty bad. And then their

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Speaker 1: next bullet point is on Thursday, the president has an

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Speaker 1: especially late schedule policy time. Quote policy time at eleven am,

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Speaker 1: so like that's not and a thing. They're just like, okay,

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Speaker 1: we have to put something on this day. Policy time

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Speaker 1: at eleven am, then executive time at twelve pm, then

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Speaker 1: lunch for an hour than more executive time from one thirty.

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Speaker 1: So what the fuck? That's just it like that, I'm serious.

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Speaker 1: If you google preschool or schedule, it will look very

739
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Speaker 1: similar to the really, except it'll be story time followed

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Speaker 1: by arch and crafts time and circle time. What the

741
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:27,400
Speaker 1: fund is policy time? Like did someone show him like poster,

742
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 1: like does he want schoolhouse Rock? I don't know, um

743
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:36,440
Speaker 1: I it seems like maybe they are just trying to

744
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:41,800
Speaker 1: remove him from all, you know, consequential action and decision making.

745
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:44,800
Speaker 1: And then like every once in a while he flares

746
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 1: up and is like I want to have a meeting

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00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:50,760
Speaker 1: on TV, and they're like okay, and then completely own

748
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:53,920
Speaker 1: himself in the meeting. Yeah what so what happened with

749
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:59,239
Speaker 1: that meeting? He had a bipartisan meeting about DOCCA and

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Speaker 1: oh two days you mean with the fine DIFI and yeah,

751
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:06,400
Speaker 1: like he just she just basically asked him to like

752
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:08,959
Speaker 1: like she said, what the like what the Democrats wanted

753
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 1: was just like a clean DOCA bill before talking about

754
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:12,880
Speaker 1: immigration for him, And he's like, yeah, I think we

755
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 1: can do that. And then all the Republicans are like,

756
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:18,720
Speaker 1: no, no no, what the funk, No, that's not how this works.

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00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:21,879
Speaker 1: You is not what we want. Remember what team you're on.

758
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 1: So wasn't there something similar this morning with a tweet

759
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 1: where he this morning? So yeah, they're like they're voting

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00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:34,359
Speaker 1: to like reauthorize the FIES Act, the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, uh,

761
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:39,240
Speaker 1: and the White House position is to reauthorize it because

762
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Speaker 1: they want to make sure that they can surveill whoever

763
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 1: they need to be. He's watching Fox and Friends this morning,

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00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 1: and then he tweets quote House votes on controversial FIES

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Speaker 1: Act today end quote. This is still in the tweet.

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Speaker 1: This is the act that may have been used with

767
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 1: the help of the discredited and phony Docier to so

768
00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:00,720
Speaker 1: badly surveill and abuse the Trump campaign by the previous

769
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:04,439
Speaker 1: administration and others. Mark, so he's kind of like, wait,

770
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 1: this thing might be shady. Then someone probably to smack

771
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 1: the ship out of him and say, are you bro

772
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:12,400
Speaker 1: that this is not No, we don't want that, and

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00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:14,880
Speaker 1: then next to me two hours later is with that

774
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:17,799
Speaker 1: being said, I have personally directed the fix to the

775
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 1: unmasking process since taking office, and today's vote is about

776
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:23,279
Speaker 1: for in surveans of foreign bad guys on foreign land.

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00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:27,360
Speaker 1: We need it get smart. So I mean he doesn't

778
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:30,359
Speaker 1: even know what it makes sense, like just give him

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00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 1: like you know, like when you give your toddler cell phone,

780
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:34,880
Speaker 1: you put on airplane mode or something and just you know,

781
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 1: press off the things and you still you still think

782
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:40,800
Speaker 1: you're using it, um, Maggie Simpson driving the car exactly.

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Speaker 1: So I mean you could look at it a couple

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00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:47,320
Speaker 1: of ways, like does he have all this free time

785
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:49,880
Speaker 1: because he is demanding it and he's just like I

786
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:53,279
Speaker 1: really I just need more executive time. Or they are

787
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:56,400
Speaker 1: completely just like dude, keep this guy away from sucking everything.

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00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 1: Either way, it looks like a complete dereliction of duty,

789
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 1: like to have that much executive time. But then also,

790
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 1: when do we hold these people around him accountable too,

791
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 1: because they know better, I know. I think that's I

792
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:09,799
Speaker 1: think we need to start like really looking at them

793
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 1: and just being like, Okay, so this guy is somewhat

794
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:14,279
Speaker 1: irrelevant other than the fact that he could end the

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00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 1: world at any time. Yeah, exactly, but we should maybe

796
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:20,840
Speaker 1: start looking at who's using him for what and in

797
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:23,799
Speaker 1: what manner. Like in that respect, I do feel like

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00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 1: maybe him having his kids close by is maybe good

799
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Speaker 1: for him, because they're going to be looking out for

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00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 1: his best interest and maybe they'll be like, maybe you

801
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:40,480
Speaker 1: should resign or just be like, Daddy, you're sick. And

802
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 1: also if they know you, I honestly, you have a

803
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:47,239
Speaker 1: you have a responsibility to let the American people know

804
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:50,239
Speaker 1: that Daddy can't do the job. I mean already know that,

805
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 1: but like let's be real, like if something really goes

806
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 1: down and the whole time this like see now that

807
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:57,800
Speaker 1: I was like doing a coloring book before he decided

808
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:02,360
Speaker 1: to authorize a nuclear strike against someone, like we're at risk. Oh,

809
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 1: we're totally at risk. We're fucked. If he like I

810
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 1: don't know, has a moment of lucidity and gets like

811
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 1: cranky that you know he's being kept away from the

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00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 1: nuclear button or whatever. Um, yeah, I like that. His

813
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 1: his brain seems to be like he just likes whoever's

814
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:21,920
Speaker 1: nearest to him, like whenever he's met with Obama. Afterwards

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00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 1: he's like that Obama is a pretty good guy. And

816
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 1: an hour later it wears off and he's like, yeah,

817
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:31,239
Speaker 1: it's just whatever is in front of him. Yeah. Yeah,

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00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 1: Hope picks his real wife. You need to I'm looking

819
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:35,719
Speaker 1: at you. You need to say something to right, we

820
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 1: don't know anything, well, they say, like that's his real

821
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:43,799
Speaker 1: Uh that's being floated around the office. Is that there's

822
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 1: something going on there, but we have no wild speculation.

823
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:49,479
Speaker 1: But either way, all you people in the White House,

824
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:51,360
Speaker 1: I know you're listening to the show because it's a

825
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:54,279
Speaker 1: very powerful show, but you need to step up and

826
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 1: say something because it looks like your man doesn't have

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Speaker 1: what it takes. All Right, that's gonna do it for

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Speaker 1: this week's weekly Zeite, Guys, please like and review the show.

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Speaker 1: If you like the show, uh means the world of Miles.

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Speaker 1: He needs your validation, folks. I hope you're having a

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Speaker 1: great weekend and I will talk to him Monday. By

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Speaker 1: h and sat at the BA