1 00:00:01,720 --> 00:00:05,920 Speaker 1: My partner who's not here, but he wanted me to 2 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:10,040 Speaker 1: tell you that Isaac Shelby is one of his great 3 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:14,920 Speaker 1: great great grandparents, as is f from McDowell. 4 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:18,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, Isaac Shelby's candlesticks are in this room over here. 5 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:21,640 Speaker 3: Stop it now. Every governor leaves. 6 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:24,120 Speaker 2: Something in the mansion, and they were silversmith's and so 7 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:26,160 Speaker 2: his candlesticks. 8 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:26,360 Speaker 3: Are right in there. 9 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 4: That's amazing. 10 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 3: He's our first governor. 11 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:29,960 Speaker 2: And then he came back in the War of eighteen 12 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:31,640 Speaker 2: twelve because he was an actual. 13 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:34,200 Speaker 3: General and they needed a governor who was a general. 14 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 4: How extraordinary. Well, there we are. So that's my Batucky connection. 15 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 3: That's a good one. 16 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:45,080 Speaker 5: Hello, I'm mini driver. I've always loved Proust's questionnaire. It 17 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 5: was originally in nineteenth century parlor game where players would 18 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 5: ask each other thirty five questions aimed at revealing the 19 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 5: other player's true nature. In asking different people the same 20 00:00:56,720 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 5: set of questions, you can make observations about which appear 21 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 5: to be universal. And it made me wonder, what if 22 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:06,200 Speaker 5: these questions were just the jumping off point, what greater 23 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 5: depths would be revealed if I asked these questions as 24 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:13,479 Speaker 5: conversation starters. So I adapted Prue's questionnaire and I wrote 25 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 5: my own seven questions that I personally think are pertinent 26 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:19,319 Speaker 5: to a person's story. They are when and where were 27 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:22,840 Speaker 5: you happiest? What is the quality you like least about yourself? 28 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 5: What relationship, real or fictionalized, defines love for you? What 29 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:30,959 Speaker 5: question would you most like answered, What person, place, or 30 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 5: experience has shaped you the most? What would be your 31 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 5: last meal? And can you tell me something in your 32 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:40,320 Speaker 5: life that's grown out of a personal disaster? And I've 33 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:44,760 Speaker 5: gathered a group of really remarkable people, ones that I 34 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 5: am honored and humbled to have had the chance to 35 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:50,000 Speaker 5: engage with. You may not hear their answers to all 36 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 5: seven of these questions. We've whittled it down to which 37 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:57,559 Speaker 5: questions felt closest to their experience, or the most surprising, 38 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:01,400 Speaker 5: or created the most fertile ground to connect. 39 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 1: My guest today on many questions is the Governor of Kentucky, 40 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 1: Andy Busheer. Governor Vasher is currently serving his second term, 41 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:14,919 Speaker 1: and his father, Steve, was also Governor of Kentucky. Andy 42 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 1: Busheer is an all too rare example of how the 43 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:21,240 Speaker 1: schism between left and right can actually be bridged. He 44 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 1: is a Democrat in a predominantly Republican state. He is 45 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 1: a deacon of his church with a strong faith, who 46 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:29,639 Speaker 1: is also pro choice, And in these challenging times where 47 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:31,919 Speaker 1: it feels like there needs to be a new, more 48 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:36,360 Speaker 1: extreme word for partisanship, it's encouraging to see leadership that 49 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 1: holds on to its values whilst also speaking to and 50 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:42,640 Speaker 1: serving all the people that represents. Governor Basheer has steered 51 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:46,079 Speaker 1: Kentucky through COVID, the deadly tornado and flooding of twenty 52 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:49,400 Speaker 1: twenty one and twenty twenty two, respectively, and most recently 53 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 1: the terrible flooding that happened in the state last week. 54 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:55,400 Speaker 1: I so enjoyed talking to him and was galvanized by 55 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 1: the reminder that calm, strong leadership that listens and so 56 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 1: still exists. Can you tell me when and when you 57 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 1: are happiest. 58 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 2: I am happiest when I'm with my kids and my wife, 59 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 2: and that's saying something because my kids are now teenagers. 60 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 2: I have a fifteen and a fourteen year old, but 61 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 2: their births changed my life forever. I was a practicing attorney. 62 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:29,680 Speaker 2: We were doing well, but just looking at those two 63 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:33,359 Speaker 2: kids a year and three days apart. It definitely gave 64 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 2: me motivation that what I leave to them has to 65 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 2: be more than just financial support. It has to be 66 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 2: a better world, a country that's not broken, and that 67 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 2: really motivated me for the way that my life changed. 68 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 2: They give me purpose every day. They're both so smart 69 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 2: and such interesting human beings. Just being around them when 70 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 2: they're willing to be around me, now. 71 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 3: Even they're both teenagers, is pretty special. 72 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 1: Do you find because I know I have this with 73 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 1: my son, who is interested in theater and is a 74 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 1: really good actor, but there's an interesting relationship between him 75 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 1: and it because of what I do for the thing. 76 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 1: And I wonder that when you see your children and 77 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 1: you observe like who they are. 78 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 6: Like, do. 79 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 1: You see the lawyer in them? Do you see the 80 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:21,280 Speaker 1: politician in them? Do you go goodness? Or is it 81 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 1: free wheeling and you're kind of letting them tell you 82 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:24,040 Speaker 1: who they are. 83 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 2: Well, they get asked about it a lot, because of 84 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 2: course my dad was governor, and well of course first 85 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:33,479 Speaker 2: father son set of governors in Kentucky's history, and so 86 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:37,360 Speaker 2: they get that question. Maybe they even get that pressure 87 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:39,479 Speaker 2: from folks. But right now, it seems like they both 88 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 2: want to pursue their own paths. 89 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:44,919 Speaker 3: I want to be supportive of whatever path they choose. 90 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:47,920 Speaker 2: My son, I think, has gotten a little more interested 91 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 2: in it over time. He ran for Beta Club vice 92 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 2: president for the state and one which was pretty incredible 93 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:57,360 Speaker 2: because in high school I ran for everything and lost 94 00:04:57,640 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 2: every time. And I think part of it is I 95 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:03,480 Speaker 2: didn't have my why. You know, the why you're running, 96 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 2: the authentic why that I think is so important, not 97 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:08,359 Speaker 2: just in politics, but in leadership. It was what I 98 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 2: thought I was supposed to do, and so I would run, 99 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:13,719 Speaker 2: and if there were three people running, i'd come in fourth. 100 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:15,599 Speaker 2: But they always say you shouldn't peak too early. 101 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:18,919 Speaker 1: By the way, I think that being humbled early in 102 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 1: your chosen field is actually integral to finding your way 103 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:26,840 Speaker 1: in it. I actually think it's necessary because you have 104 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 1: to keep choosing it. 105 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 4: I tell Henry that a lot. 106 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 1: Actually, so there's no such thing as failure because it's 107 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 1: all your journey to whatever it is that you are 108 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 1: choosing to do. 109 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:35,159 Speaker 3: I think that's right. 110 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 2: And I also think that it helps you to have 111 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:41,360 Speaker 2: a smaller ego and to not get eaten up by 112 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:43,600 Speaker 2: what your profession is. You know, you see a lot 113 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:46,480 Speaker 2: of people who are in elected offices that get in 114 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 2: there and they get so eaten up by the partisanship 115 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 2: that that becomes what they do instead of trying to 116 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:55,800 Speaker 2: come in every day and create that better world for 117 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 2: your people. 118 00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:58,799 Speaker 1: I know it's a really tough question, but in terms 119 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 1: of happiness and kind of where we are, how do 120 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 1: you approach that the schism between what someone else's happiness 121 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:07,719 Speaker 1: looks like and what someone else's happiness looks like and 122 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 1: where sort of where we are in the world. 123 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 4: You know, you're leading a. 124 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:15,839 Speaker 1: State of very very different people from eastern and western Kentucky, 125 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 1: you know, from the urban areas to the deeply rural, Like, 126 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 1: how do you speak to the schism of different happiness? 127 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:25,360 Speaker 2: Hey, you start with the recognition that when people wake 128 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 2: up in the morning, they're not thinking about politics. 129 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:28,920 Speaker 3: They're not thinking about. 130 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 2: Their party, and they're not thinking about the next election. 131 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:33,719 Speaker 2: They're thinking about their job and whether they make enough 132 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 2: to support their family. They're thinking about their next doctor's 133 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 2: appointment for themselves, their parents, their kids, and they're thinking 134 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 2: about the roads and bridges they drive every day, and 135 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 2: think about the school they drop their kids off at, 136 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 2: and they're thinking about whether they feel safe. 137 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 3: In their community. 138 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:53,040 Speaker 2: If you don't feel secure in those areas, now, it's hard. 139 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 3: To be happy. 140 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:57,360 Speaker 2: It's hard to reach other things that people argue about 141 00:06:57,400 --> 00:07:02,200 Speaker 2: that divide people. But those more areas are how I govern, 142 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 2: and they speak to everyone. You know, the goal of 143 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 2: governing shouldn't be to make Democrats better off or Republicans 144 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 2: better off. 145 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 3: It should be to make everybody better off. 146 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 2: And when you provide opportunity, when you open a new hospital, 147 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 2: when you open a road that saves somebody twenty minutes 148 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 2: each way on a commute, now that gives them more 149 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 2: time to make those memories with their families that improve 150 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 2: their happiness. So what I've seen is being a Democrat 151 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 2: in a state that typically votes heavily Republican, but having 152 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:33,679 Speaker 2: a really high approval rating is about, you know, first 153 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 2: that focus that these are the things that matter the 154 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 2: most in your life, and we're going to make sure 155 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 2: that we spend eighty percent of our time there. But 156 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 2: I think the second piece is you've got to talk 157 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 2: to people and not at them. You've got to listen 158 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:52,120 Speaker 2: to make sure that we're all using the same vocabulary. 159 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 2: I mean, we've gotten into sanitize advocacy speak in so 160 00:07:56,800 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 2: many different areas, Like we use the term substance, use 161 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 2: discory order for addiction. Right, everybody I know that's gone 162 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 2: through addiction calls it addiction. People that are hungry are hungry, 163 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 2: They're not food insecure. And so when we start using 164 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:15,120 Speaker 2: these terms, we lose the meaning and the emotion, and 165 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 2: we're talking about folks that are going through something very 166 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 2: difficult and emotional. And then I think the last pieces 167 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 2: is sharing your why. And for me, that's my faith. 168 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 2: And so when I make a decision that other people 169 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 2: might disagree with, especially one of these hot culture war 170 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:33,559 Speaker 2: type issues, I try to tell people. 171 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 3: Why and genuinely why I made the decisions. 172 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 2: So when I was running for reelection, our legislature passed 173 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:43,600 Speaker 2: the nastiest anti LGBTQ plus bill that we'd ever. 174 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 3: Seen, and I vetoed it. 175 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:47,560 Speaker 2: And I vetoed it because I believe that all children 176 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 2: are children of God, and I didn't want anybody picking 177 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 2: on those kids. And a whole general Assembly was picking 178 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:56,200 Speaker 2: on those kids that already far too many people pick on. 179 00:08:56,320 --> 00:08:58,960 Speaker 2: I wanted them to know that their governor had their back. 180 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 2: So I explained it that way, and the next day 181 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 2: I remember somebody walking up to me and I thought, oh, 182 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 2: I know what's coming, and instead he stuck out his 183 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:08,840 Speaker 2: hand and I shook it, and he said, I'm not 184 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 2: sure I agree with you, but I know you're doing 185 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 2: what you think is right. And so if we can 186 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 2: get there as people, not just in politics, because sometimes 187 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 2: right now just the background of politics is keeping people 188 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:23,600 Speaker 2: from speaking and being good neighbors. But if we can 189 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 2: get to that, why at least we can understand each 190 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:26,959 Speaker 2: other a little bit better. 191 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 4: Yes, I agree completely. 192 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:32,599 Speaker 1: The fundamental tenets of being a human being are fundamental 193 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 1: regardless of your politics, for sure. 194 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:36,720 Speaker 2: And I think when you said human being, what's missing 195 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:40,199 Speaker 2: right now out of our federal government is humanity. 196 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:42,000 Speaker 4: I couldn't agree with you more. 197 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 2: It's a lack of empathy or really even sympathy. I mean, 198 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 2: to have people that are being laid off, veterans, people 199 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:50,360 Speaker 2: who have. 200 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 3: Given service to the minds to this country. 201 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 2: And then you can understand sometimes if you need to 202 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 2: downsize something, but to be gleeful about it, to tell 203 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 2: them it's their fault, to dance around on stage with 204 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 2: the chainsaw during it, it's just mean and it's cruel, 205 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 2: and that's not how our government should act. 206 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 1: It is so extraordinarily in conflict in that none of 207 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:12,200 Speaker 1: it makes any sense. There's no follow through with the cruelty. 208 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:15,960 Speaker 1: It seems cruel for cruelty's sake. In the moment, I 209 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:18,840 Speaker 1: don't believe that that is sustainable. I think that it 210 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 1: is taking a sledgehammer right now. But it's impossible to 211 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:24,880 Speaker 1: gut this many lives and for that not to be 212 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 1: ramifications for that. So I hope the midterms are a 213 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:33,160 Speaker 1: reflection of the American people experiencing what everybody has been 214 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 1: experiencing since this administration began. 215 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 2: And it's not who people are. Yeah, we're absolutely we're 216 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:44,240 Speaker 2: not through flooding again. And what I see every time 217 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:48,679 Speaker 2: during and after our whole group of people inside someone's 218 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 2: house helping the mucket out and dry it out. And 219 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 2: most of those people haven't even started on their own house. 220 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:58,200 Speaker 2: They're going to start with their neighbor, showing that humanity. 221 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 2: You're going to see people that have never had someone 222 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:02,920 Speaker 2: walk up and offer to help. You're going to see 223 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 2: people take shifts in the public school that's open with 224 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:08,440 Speaker 2: cots for people to have a warm place to stay. 225 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:12,320 Speaker 2: If there is a bright side to having been through 226 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 2: so many natural disasters. It's that you see people are 227 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:19,679 Speaker 2: fundamentally good kind that don't like cruelty, and I think 228 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:22,560 Speaker 2: the country's going to wake up and ultimately reject what 229 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:23,120 Speaker 2: we're seeing. 230 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 4: I agree with you, I ready do. 231 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 1: What is the quality you like least about yourself? 232 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 2: I will admit I am pretty self critical, and I 233 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 2: carry mistakes with me for decades. 234 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 3: Sometimes they're funny, but I still carry them. 235 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 2: During the pandemic, I remember having someone walk in who 236 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:51,600 Speaker 2: was helping us with unemployment because so many people needed 237 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 2: the help and our system, which was older than I am, 238 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:58,199 Speaker 2: was getting overwhelmed. And he told me somebody had applied 239 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 2: for benefits under the name too Pak Shakurt. And I 240 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 2: heard that and I got all angry, and I went 241 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 2: out to my daily update and I said, I can't 242 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 2: believe this is happening. People are trying to take advantage 243 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 2: of us at a time that's so difficult. I can't 244 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:18,319 Speaker 2: believe somebody filed for benefits under the name Tupac Shakurd. 245 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 2: Well turns out there was a guy in Lexington and 246 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:26,120 Speaker 2: his name is court h and he's he's a good guy. 247 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:29,439 Speaker 2: And I found out about it that night right after 248 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 2: I'd said it in front of millions of people. 249 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 4: Wow. I mean I. 250 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 2: Basically run over it. I hadn't intended to, but I 251 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:39,200 Speaker 2: still had. And so I called him that night and 252 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 2: I said I'm sorry, and he was very graceful about it. 253 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 2: It is very supportive, even with all of this and 254 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 2: all the text messages and calls he'd been getting. 255 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:49,480 Speaker 3: So what did I do The next day? 256 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:52,680 Speaker 2: I walked out, looked at the same cameras and said, 257 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:55,080 Speaker 2: I'd made a mistake. And even though that made some 258 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:57,440 Speaker 2: late night TV shows, that's not how I thought I'd 259 00:12:57,440 --> 00:13:01,320 Speaker 2: be on Jimmy Kimmel. I still to think about the 260 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 2: fact that I cause that individual pain, and I just 261 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:06,800 Speaker 2: wish I could go back in time and have taken 262 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:10,680 Speaker 2: an extra breath. Knowing that that's a human being who, 263 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 2: at least for that period of time, probably felt pretty 264 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 2: bad about what his governor had said about him. 265 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 1: Well, I think that that's all any of us can 266 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:22,400 Speaker 1: do right is own our errors. I was having a 267 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:25,520 Speaker 1: conversation with my son the other day and saying, it 268 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:27,440 Speaker 1: really is, if you do it with your whole heart 269 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:29,960 Speaker 1: and you really are sorry, it doesn't need to go 270 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:32,720 Speaker 1: any further. You don't have to keep on fighting, and 271 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:34,280 Speaker 1: you don't have to keep on carrying it with you 272 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:36,320 Speaker 1: if you've really said that you're sorry. 273 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 4: I think I. 274 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 2: Think that's true personally. I also think it's true politically. 275 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 2: I mean, we've seen, whether it's this administration or some others, 276 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:47,560 Speaker 2: make some real mistakes, but you rarely see somebody come 277 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:50,080 Speaker 2: forward and say we messed up another weren't. 278 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 1: When we're talking about the tariffs and the president is 279 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:58,680 Speaker 1: saying that they are negotiable, and then his chief of 280 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:01,200 Speaker 1: staff or his pressure is coming out saying they are 281 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 1: absolutely categorically non negotiable. There's no follow through, there's no accountability, 282 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:08,319 Speaker 1: and that, as I said before, I just don't believe 283 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 1: that that is sustainable. And I think we have to 284 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:13,480 Speaker 1: keep trusting in the American experiment and that it is 285 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 1: an experiment, and that the pendulum has just swung very 286 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:18,600 Speaker 1: far to the right. 287 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 2: Well, and I think a lot of people out there 288 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 2: feel that the pendulum maybe was too far to the 289 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 2: left and now is too far to the right. 290 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:26,920 Speaker 3: Now most of them just wanted to stop. 291 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree, to. 292 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 2: Be able to go on vacation with their family and 293 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:31,480 Speaker 2: not have to turn on the news. 294 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:33,320 Speaker 3: And say what happened now? 295 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 2: And I think the way that we pushed through this 296 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 2: faster isn't some voice from the Democratic Party. 297 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:43,000 Speaker 3: It's everybody's voice together. 298 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 4: Yeah. 299 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 2: It's taking a picture of how much more your bill 300 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:48,920 Speaker 2: is at the grocery store and posting it with your story. 301 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 2: If you've been laid off from the federal government, you 302 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:53,960 Speaker 2: were doing a great job. You were serving your country, 303 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 2: telling your story. It's all those collective voices together that 304 00:14:57,960 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 2: I think can make such a difference. 305 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:11,480 Speaker 6: Groundswell, I agree. 306 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 1: Can you tell me about something that has grown out 307 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:19,240 Speaker 1: of a personal disaster. 308 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:23,440 Speaker 2: This one's a hard one for me because tomorrow is 309 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:26,520 Speaker 2: the two year anniversary that I lost my friend. 310 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 3: Tommy in a shooting. So it was sorry. 311 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 2: It was hard and to have to be governor when 312 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:38,080 Speaker 2: you're headed to the scene instead of being a friend. 313 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:40,760 Speaker 2: To have to call his widow because no one else would. 314 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 2: Once I got the information, and actually tell somebody you 315 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 2: know and care about that their husband is gone. It's 316 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:50,400 Speaker 2: one of the hardest things I've ever done in my life. 317 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:52,160 Speaker 2: I can still see in my head where I was 318 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:55,480 Speaker 2: standing when I made that call. There's a room in 319 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 2: the hospital that we went to where she was that 320 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:03,560 Speaker 2: I just can't walk in it just it is too painful. 321 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 3: And this was such a great friend. 322 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:09,720 Speaker 2: Remember how we met, which was funny in and of itself. 323 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 2: We'd gone up to something and Frankfurt, we were both 324 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 2: living in Louisville, hadn't met, but we're on the same trip, 325 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:18,320 Speaker 2: and somebody came in and just blasted my dad, not 326 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 2: knowing I was in the room, and he left and 327 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:23,480 Speaker 2: we all burst out laughing because it was so uncomfortable, 328 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 2: and started a conversation. 329 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 3: Ended up saying we want. 330 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:29,280 Speaker 2: To get everybody together to go to dinner the next week, 331 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:31,400 Speaker 2: And it turned out we lived four houses away, and 332 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 2: we didn't find that out until we were at dinner. 333 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 2: I became my banker, I became his lawyer. We built 334 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:41,760 Speaker 2: a lot of all of this together. But what I'll 335 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 2: say is I get to take the best parts of him, 336 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 2: which were kindness and acceptance. I've formed a stronger relationship 337 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 2: with his kids, and maybe a little more sympathy and 338 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:59,240 Speaker 2: empathy for others that have gone through tragedy and have 339 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:03,120 Speaker 2: lost people, especially under really difficult circumstances. 340 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 3: The thing about. 341 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:06,639 Speaker 2: Grief is it can creep up on you so fast. 342 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:09,119 Speaker 2: I mean, there are some days where this feels like 343 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:12,000 Speaker 2: it happened twenty years ago and some days where it 344 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 2: feels like it happened twenty minutes ago. You know, trauma 345 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 2: and grief, you can be taken right back to the 346 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:20,640 Speaker 2: moment that you got the first text that something was happening, 347 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:22,760 Speaker 2: that you got in the car going as fast as 348 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:25,399 Speaker 2: you could that on the tenth time that you're trying 349 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:29,920 Speaker 2: your friend and they can't pick up that, you start knowing. 350 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:32,480 Speaker 2: And then when you look at the officer that you 351 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:34,399 Speaker 2: know there and you ask the question, you can just 352 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:39,040 Speaker 2: you can see it in their eyes. It can grab 353 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:42,000 Speaker 2: you again pretty quickly. But also now being able to 354 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 2: recognize that and other people you know, Sydney Clove that 355 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:46,880 Speaker 2: ever wanted to be a part of. But when you are, 356 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:49,320 Speaker 2: your ability to be there for other people that are 357 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:51,720 Speaker 2: going through tough times is maybe you're just a little 358 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:54,880 Speaker 2: bit better at it because you're going through it. 359 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:55,960 Speaker 4: Absolutely. 360 00:17:56,119 --> 00:17:59,040 Speaker 1: I think that is the great gift of grief, is 361 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:02,359 Speaker 1: that there is someone who can walk with you through it, 362 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:04,800 Speaker 1: who has been through it as well, and that once 363 00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 1: you've experienced it yourself, you can offer that grace and 364 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:12,440 Speaker 1: that service and that love to someone else because you're right. 365 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 1: Grief it no, it has no sense of time. It 366 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:19,720 Speaker 1: can feel just like yesterday or twenty years ago. It's 367 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:23,639 Speaker 1: interesting I wrote about when losing my mum, and I 368 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:26,840 Speaker 1: learned about how to show up for the pain through 369 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 1: writing about it, and have definitely passed that on to 370 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:33,800 Speaker 1: friends of mine, just the little things of how do 371 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:37,600 Speaker 1: we accommodate the agony of unbearable loss. So again I 372 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:40,120 Speaker 1: feel like Feather, you had to show up for your 373 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:47,960 Speaker 1: friend under terrible circumstances, but also as a leader, and 374 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:50,919 Speaker 1: you can give good counsel, you know, as a result 375 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:53,280 Speaker 1: of that, which is truly amazing and truly when I 376 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:56,240 Speaker 1: ask this question, the idea of things that grow out 377 00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 1: of our agonies are personal agonies. 378 00:18:58,840 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 4: There is growth. 379 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:01,639 Speaker 1: Maybe that's the blessing and that's the gift. 380 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:05,960 Speaker 2: Well, it's always really important to me that someone's life 381 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:07,520 Speaker 2: is not defined by their death. 382 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:09,720 Speaker 3: That we don't let. 383 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:16,320 Speaker 2: One horrible moment cloud all the incredible memories, the fun 384 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:19,880 Speaker 2: memories that you had of your mom or I had 385 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:23,040 Speaker 2: of my friend. I want to make sure that ninety 386 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 2: nine percent of the time I'm thinking about Tommy, I'm 387 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:30,119 Speaker 2: thinking about all those great memories and just teaching me 388 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:33,760 Speaker 2: to treasure every single one of them because life's short 389 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:35,760 Speaker 2: and our job is to be kind to each other 390 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 2: and to do good things. 391 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, be kind to each other and do 392 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:48,960 Speaker 1: good things. Can you tell me what relationship, real or fictionalized, 393 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 1: defines love for you? 394 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:52,360 Speaker 3: Well, i'd say too. 395 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:56,240 Speaker 2: First, my wife and I just celebrated our nineteenth anniversary. 396 00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:57,960 Speaker 4: Oh congratulations, Wow, thank you. 397 00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:01,240 Speaker 2: I could not be more blessed. She is is incredible, 398 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:05,480 Speaker 2: She is patient. She has gone through this entire journey 399 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 2: at my side, or I've gone through this entire journey. 400 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:09,280 Speaker 3: At her side. 401 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:13,239 Speaker 2: She fights harder for me, and I fight harder for 402 00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:16,800 Speaker 2: her than anybody else in this world. When we had 403 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:21,360 Speaker 2: our kids, two kids very quickly. Her parents live in California, 404 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:24,960 Speaker 2: so a long way from Kentucky, and my parents were 405 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:27,199 Speaker 2: serving as governor and first Lady at the time, So 406 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:30,159 Speaker 2: it was just us trying to make it in the 407 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:33,040 Speaker 2: very first house that we'd own. But having to go 408 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:36,719 Speaker 2: through that together, having to build out our lives together, 409 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:40,520 Speaker 2: make all of our friends together, has been so special, 410 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:43,960 Speaker 2: and I think why our relationship is so strong. We 411 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:46,280 Speaker 2: don't like being a part even we have to take 412 00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:48,520 Speaker 2: trips with one of the kids, or to go somewhere 413 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:49,680 Speaker 2: more than a couple of days is. 414 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:52,320 Speaker 3: Just too much for me. She's kind of my anchor 415 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:53,080 Speaker 3: in this. 416 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:56,960 Speaker 2: World and what keeps me stable and able to process 417 00:20:57,040 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 2: all the difficult things we're dealing with right now. 418 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:04,359 Speaker 1: Sure, so when you decided to run for a second term, like, 419 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:07,399 Speaker 1: is that a conversation because essentially you're doing it together, 420 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:10,199 Speaker 1: you're both She's coming back to the governor's mansion, like 421 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 1: your family is going to be there again. Like do 422 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:14,159 Speaker 1: you sit down at the kitchen table and go, Okay, 423 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:16,560 Speaker 1: I want to do this again, And where do you stand? 424 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 2: Yes, these decisions you make together from the start. Yeah, 425 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:23,160 Speaker 2: if you don't, you're going to have a very unhappy 426 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 2: life at home. But the sacrifices that Brittany and my 427 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:28,840 Speaker 2: kids make are greater. 428 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:30,920 Speaker 3: Than the sacrifices that I have to make. 429 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:34,359 Speaker 2: How their lives are impacted, how some kids or people 430 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:37,560 Speaker 2: will look at them just because of me or our party. 431 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:40,720 Speaker 2: There's no question that they give up a lot and 432 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 2: then they go through a lot just to be a part. 433 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:47,119 Speaker 2: But they do feel like a part. They're proud of 434 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:49,840 Speaker 2: the things we've done together. I mean, we've created more 435 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:53,680 Speaker 2: jobs than any other administration in history, more private sector investment. 436 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 3: We broke our ex sports record. You know, we're. 437 00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:59,480 Speaker 2: Booming here, and so we as a family get to 438 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:02,720 Speaker 2: be that there's a better life not just for my kids, 439 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:06,200 Speaker 2: but everyone else's kids in Kentucky right now, more opportunities 440 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:09,119 Speaker 2: than we've ever seen before, and so I try to 441 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:12,159 Speaker 2: encourage them all to be a part of that, but 442 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:15,640 Speaker 2: also got to give them the space to choose what 443 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 2: they want to do, what public events they want to 444 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 2: be a part of, to make sure that that's working for. 445 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:22,560 Speaker 3: Their life as well. 446 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:25,960 Speaker 2: But the other place that I see that love, and 447 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:28,399 Speaker 2: we just talked about it, is love for your neighbor. 448 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:31,399 Speaker 2: And to me, that's that golden rule, and I just 449 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:34,359 Speaker 2: see it playing out. Whether it was after tornadoes in 450 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:37,720 Speaker 2: twenty twenty one nearly wiped out my dad's hometown of 451 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:41,920 Speaker 2: Dawson Springs entirely hit Mayfield in a way that I 452 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:45,400 Speaker 2: think the country had never seen before. After flooding took 453 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:49,639 Speaker 2: forty five lives six months later in eastern Kentucky. Just 454 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:53,000 Speaker 2: to see other Kentuckians, the rest of the country and 455 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:56,359 Speaker 2: the world pour out their hearts, give dollars to try 456 00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 2: to help bring resources in at a level that we 457 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:03,119 Speaker 2: never seen before. I mean that love that you show 458 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:07,560 Speaker 2: to someone that you don't know. That's pretty incredible. That 459 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:10,920 Speaker 2: you're willing to take your time and or your resources 460 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:14,720 Speaker 2: and help a fellow human being solely because they're suffering, 461 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:16,200 Speaker 2: And that's really special. 462 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:19,560 Speaker 1: It is incredibly special, And it must also really hit 463 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:22,160 Speaker 1: maybe harder for you who lives in a world of 464 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:26,159 Speaker 1: partisanship in the country with really a two party system, 465 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:29,720 Speaker 1: to see what makes politics subordinate, which is the best 466 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:33,000 Speaker 1: of who we are as people, The kindness, the compassion to. 467 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:34,720 Speaker 4: Be reminded of that as you lead. 468 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:38,159 Speaker 1: That's what gives me faith better parts of our humanity 469 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:41,240 Speaker 1: is what will eventually lead us back to a hope 470 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:45,400 Speaker 1: being more together in this world, less separate, less disparate. 471 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:49,480 Speaker 1: But yeah, it's nice to hear a leader talk about 472 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:50,800 Speaker 1: that kindness. 473 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:53,080 Speaker 3: It grounds your leadership too. 474 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:56,320 Speaker 2: It's pretty easy to brush off the political attack of 475 00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 2: the day when you're standing with someone looking at what 476 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:02,119 Speaker 2: you see to be their house and they're trying to 477 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:05,440 Speaker 2: figure out what's the first step to take. But when 478 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:08,359 Speaker 2: you've been through a number of these I'm now in 479 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:10,800 Speaker 2: the position where I can put my arm around them 480 00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:13,439 Speaker 2: and say, you're going to make it, but you're not 481 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 2: going to do it alone. You're going to have so 482 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:17,560 Speaker 2: many people that you know and so many that you don't. 483 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:20,960 Speaker 2: They're going to rally around you and help rebuild this life, 484 00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:24,080 Speaker 2: this building, this business. We've seen it over and over 485 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:25,840 Speaker 2: and I wish my people didn't have to go through 486 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:29,280 Speaker 2: it over and over. But that's also love. I mean, 487 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:33,720 Speaker 2: it's an incredible expression of love. After the tornadoes, we 488 00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:37,560 Speaker 2: opened a fund and people gave fifty two million dollars 489 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:39,760 Speaker 2: to help rebuild, so we were. 490 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 3: Able to pay for every funeral. 491 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:43,359 Speaker 2: We were able to give people help right away on 492 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:46,600 Speaker 2: top of FEMA, and now we're building new neighborhoods in 493 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 2: eastern Kentucky. 494 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:50,160 Speaker 3: We are almost through every. 495 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:52,440 Speaker 2: Family that lost their home, every family that's in need, 496 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:55,440 Speaker 2: and that's only because of the love of so many 497 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:58,040 Speaker 2: people pouring out to help our communities. 498 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:15,879 Speaker 4: Wow, amazing. So what would be your last meal? 499 00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:16,879 Speaker 6: Oh? 500 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:21,280 Speaker 2: So right now, I've developed a little bit of an 501 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:24,199 Speaker 2: allergy to red meat that I'm working through. You know, 502 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:27,520 Speaker 2: I live in Kentucky and so I miss Dake and 503 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:31,359 Speaker 2: Hamburger so much. But I'm trying to do that healthy 504 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 2: thing and get through it. I think it's going to 505 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:36,680 Speaker 2: take about another year. But if it was my last meal, 506 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:38,280 Speaker 2: I think that would be okay. 507 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:39,960 Speaker 4: Yes, I agree. 508 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:41,720 Speaker 3: But if it's your last. 509 00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:44,440 Speaker 2: Meal, do you want just one thing or do you 510 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:47,040 Speaker 2: want like a steak wrapped in pizza which may sound gross, 511 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:49,439 Speaker 2: But if it's the last time you're going to get 512 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:51,879 Speaker 2: a chance, then then maybe you do that and then 513 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:52,399 Speaker 2: you fry it. 514 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:55,399 Speaker 1: Wait a minute, steak wrapped in pizza and then you 515 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:55,800 Speaker 1: fry it. 516 00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:58,440 Speaker 3: It's last meal. You don't have to worry about the 517 00:25:58,480 --> 00:25:59,440 Speaker 3: calories at all. 518 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:03,160 Speaker 1: If it's still very Scottish in Scotland deep for our year, 519 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,359 Speaker 1: elbow and make it taste good. 520 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:08,400 Speaker 3: It must be Scotch and bourbon exactly. 521 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 4: There you go. 522 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:11,359 Speaker 3: That's that's the connection and the connections with both. 523 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:13,080 Speaker 2: And you know a lot of Scotch is now being 524 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:16,040 Speaker 2: aged in bourbon barrels, so a really strong connection. 525 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:19,800 Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, is that true. That's really interesting. Oh 526 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:20,679 Speaker 4: I would like to try that. 527 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,399 Speaker 2: You know, these tariffs don't just cause the price of 528 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:26,679 Speaker 2: the product to go up, but ultimately they cost the 529 00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:29,159 Speaker 2: price of that barrel to go up. It makes the 530 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:31,639 Speaker 2: costs on making Scotch that much higher. 531 00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:36,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I'm quite apart from what will happen 532 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:40,960 Speaker 1: for the consumer in America, what happens with the rebouncing 533 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:45,960 Speaker 1: of like the economic topography of the world with China 534 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:48,359 Speaker 1: now joining with Japan and South Korea. Like what he 535 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:52,560 Speaker 1: has set in motion is without precedent and without thought 536 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 1: for any kind of collective future. 537 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:57,480 Speaker 2: It feels in what it does to our global security. 538 00:26:57,600 --> 00:26:58,199 Speaker 4: Yeah. 539 00:26:58,359 --> 00:26:59,720 Speaker 3: You look at Canada, which. 540 00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:01,920 Speaker 2: Has been more of the closest allies and friends of 541 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:06,240 Speaker 2: the United States, has followed us into every every situation 542 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:10,199 Speaker 2: we've been in, even when maybe they shouldn't have, and 543 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:13,520 Speaker 2: this president is kicking them and is demeaning them. You 544 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:17,359 Speaker 2: look at Europe and how critical that relationship is for 545 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:20,680 Speaker 2: global security. And you've got a vice president on signal 546 00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:24,320 Speaker 2: talking badly about Europe, and then you just gave an 547 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:28,600 Speaker 2: incredible example. Two of our most important allies are Japan 548 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:33,080 Speaker 2: and South Korea, and to drive them to China first, 549 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:36,280 Speaker 2: that's very difficult to do, but he just did it exactly. 550 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:37,360 Speaker 4: That's what's extraordinary. 551 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:42,040 Speaker 1: It's you know, again, unprecedented. But what will that mean 552 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:43,960 Speaker 1: for global economic security? 553 00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:46,720 Speaker 2: It may go back to that same thing, that lack 554 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:51,919 Speaker 2: of sympathy, empathy, or humanity, because we are safer and 555 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:55,800 Speaker 2: better off when our allies are also doing well too. Yes, 556 00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:59,400 Speaker 2: so a strong America is better with a strong Europe, 557 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:02,440 Speaker 2: a strong Japan, a strong South Korea. I mean that 558 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:07,120 Speaker 2: makes us all better off. And the idea of global 559 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:11,200 Speaker 2: security is based on alliances where you actually have. 560 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:14,399 Speaker 3: To be nice to each other, exactly work together. You 561 00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:17,320 Speaker 3: have to want good outcomes for everyone. 562 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,040 Speaker 1: We've gone full circle back to the idea of being 563 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:23,399 Speaker 1: a good neighbor, of being a kind neighbor. And I 564 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:26,880 Speaker 1: mean how this administration is treating Canada is a fair 565 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:30,880 Speaker 1: indication of how they see being neighborly. I know I've 566 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:32,680 Speaker 1: repeated this is the third time I've said it, but 567 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:37,680 Speaker 1: I simply don't believe that that kind of incoherent thinking 568 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:42,400 Speaker 1: and follow through with insane policy is sustainable. I don't, 569 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 1: And I think that people are better than that and 570 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:50,760 Speaker 1: kinder than that in their hearts. Can you tell me 571 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:54,960 Speaker 1: what person, place, or experience most altered your life. 572 00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:59,760 Speaker 2: Well, I have incredible parents, and I was really lucky 573 00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:01,360 Speaker 2: and blessed growing up. 574 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:03,320 Speaker 3: I think about the things that pushed. 575 00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:05,959 Speaker 2: Me even when you asked me the earlier question about 576 00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:08,240 Speaker 2: what is the thing about yourself? 577 00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:11,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, your quality like least Well, I. 578 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:13,400 Speaker 2: Think I got the self critical for my dad, and 579 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,600 Speaker 2: I got some stubbornness from my mom, and both have 580 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,440 Speaker 2: helped me succeed. And both my parents are still with us, 581 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:23,080 Speaker 2: which is a blessing, and they're still together, going strong. 582 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:27,000 Speaker 2: But just to be lucky enough in this world to 583 00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:30,360 Speaker 2: be raised in a household with two loving parents that 584 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:32,600 Speaker 2: want to invest in you, that want you to have 585 00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:36,200 Speaker 2: the best education, and are supportive of you even now, 586 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,520 Speaker 2: Even now, when something happens, when I've got something challenging, 587 00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,360 Speaker 2: I call my parents and I listen to their thoughts. 588 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:44,920 Speaker 2: It doesn't mean that that's what I'm ultimately going to do, 589 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:48,120 Speaker 2: but just to have that relationship, and they do the. 590 00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:49,280 Speaker 3: Same with me. 591 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:54,200 Speaker 2: I actually never intended to get into politics. My dad 592 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,800 Speaker 2: had lost a governor's race in nineteen eighty seven. 593 00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,720 Speaker 3: I was ten years old, and it was just devastating. 594 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,520 Speaker 2: This is superman in your life, and how could people 595 00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:03,760 Speaker 2: not want to vote for him. 596 00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:04,920 Speaker 3: He'd been the rising star. 597 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:07,760 Speaker 2: He's younger than I am right now, and I just 598 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:11,160 Speaker 2: I still remember in that hotel room sitting on that 599 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:12,840 Speaker 2: bed and my dad looking over. 600 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:15,840 Speaker 3: And sant it was going to be all right. 601 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:19,640 Speaker 2: This was the toughest moment of his professional career, and 602 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:23,200 Speaker 2: he spent it telling me that everything was going to 603 00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:26,000 Speaker 2: be all right. And then that moment still sticks with me. 604 00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:28,680 Speaker 2: Nineteen eighty seven, he lost a race that he should 605 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:31,920 Speaker 2: have won. In two thousand and seven, he decides to 606 00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:34,160 Speaker 2: run because no one else will in a race he 607 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:36,240 Speaker 2: should have no shot at winning. 608 00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:37,160 Speaker 3: And I went to work. 609 00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:39,600 Speaker 2: You know, I was thirty at the time, and my 610 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:42,560 Speaker 2: wife and I were the campaign in the largest city 611 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,000 Speaker 2: in Kentucky. That's where we started in our one and 612 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:48,480 Speaker 2: a half bedroom home, trying to build out that part 613 00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:51,520 Speaker 2: of the campaign. And he won, and he achieved this 614 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:54,840 Speaker 2: dream that he thought was dead. And so to just 615 00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:58,280 Speaker 2: I thought the thing that I would do most important 616 00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:01,200 Speaker 2: in politics was help a dad achieve a dream he 617 00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:03,640 Speaker 2: thought was dead. Wow. And then I got to watch 618 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,360 Speaker 2: him in office. I got to be in those meetings 619 00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:09,320 Speaker 2: and he had a chance that he took to expand 620 00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:13,600 Speaker 2: Medicaid and about four hundred thousand Kentuckians got healthcare coverage 621 00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:17,160 Speaker 2: for the first time ever. I'll never forget being in 622 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:20,480 Speaker 2: an elevator with him, and somebody walks in and just 623 00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:23,680 Speaker 2: starts crying, and I look at her and I say, 624 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:27,280 Speaker 2: what are you okay? And she says, I'm alive because 625 00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:30,360 Speaker 2: of your dad. That I could not get coverage, that 626 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:34,200 Speaker 2: people would not cover the conditions that I had until 627 00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:38,080 Speaker 2: Medicaid was expanded. It just such a powerful moment that 628 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:41,200 Speaker 2: showed that even though the news often does the back 629 00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:44,640 Speaker 2: and forth about politics, in these jobs you can make 630 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:45,880 Speaker 2: a real difference. 631 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:50,480 Speaker 1: Do you believe in divine timing? Does your dad not 632 00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:54,760 Speaker 1: winning in nineteen eighty seven but then going ahead in 633 00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,040 Speaker 1: two thousand and seven, like, do you filter it through 634 00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:58,080 Speaker 1: that lens? 635 00:31:58,520 --> 00:31:58,880 Speaker 3: I do? 636 00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:02,160 Speaker 2: I mean, I look back in nineteen eighty seven, and 637 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:05,960 Speaker 2: in that moment, while crushing for him, ended up being 638 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:07,240 Speaker 2: incredible for our family. 639 00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:09,080 Speaker 3: I got my dad back. 640 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:13,200 Speaker 2: He had been probably overly involved in the job, and 641 00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:15,520 Speaker 2: I make sure that I carve out time for my 642 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:18,360 Speaker 2: family because I lived through that at a young age. 643 00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:19,200 Speaker 3: But I got him back. 644 00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:21,920 Speaker 2: He coached baseball with me. I'm not going to say 645 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,520 Speaker 2: I played baseball because that's an operative verb. 646 00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:26,960 Speaker 3: I was on a team and just. 647 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:30,440 Speaker 2: To have him there, and even though he pushed so hard, 648 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:31,120 Speaker 2: in school work. 649 00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:33,720 Speaker 3: To have him there pretty special. 650 00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:36,640 Speaker 2: So I do believe in divine timing, both for our 651 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,600 Speaker 2: family and how it ultimately worked out. And he served 652 00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:43,320 Speaker 2: eight years. He guided us through the Great Recession. I 653 00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:45,560 Speaker 2: think about being the governance created the most jobs and 654 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:47,040 Speaker 2: the most private sector investment. 655 00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:47,880 Speaker 3: Guess who's second? 656 00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:49,200 Speaker 4: He is? Wow? 657 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:51,280 Speaker 3: And I get to call and tell him that every night. 658 00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:57,000 Speaker 4: He must love die wait for that. Cool. I can't 659 00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:58,640 Speaker 4: wait for Andy to tell me I'm second. 660 00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,240 Speaker 3: But also thank you. I mean to go through the 661 00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:03,640 Speaker 3: tough times. That gives us a chance to hopefully have 662 00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:04,560 Speaker 3: the better times. 663 00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:08,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, gosh, it's the most extraordinary thing that your father 664 00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:10,200 Speaker 1: was governor and that you were governor. It must be 665 00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:11,320 Speaker 1: like staring up a mountain. 666 00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:12,000 Speaker 4: For your kids. 667 00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:15,560 Speaker 1: They must be like, whoa am I supposed to be 668 00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:16,320 Speaker 1: the governor too? 669 00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:18,040 Speaker 3: And we try to tell them every day. 670 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:20,840 Speaker 2: Now, you know, I'm going to wrap our arms around 671 00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:23,280 Speaker 2: our kids to make sure that they know that they 672 00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:26,920 Speaker 2: are loved and cared for, that they have an opportunity 673 00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:30,240 Speaker 2: to pursue whatever pathway they choose. I just want them 674 00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:32,720 Speaker 2: to be them. I want them to be happy, I 675 00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,640 Speaker 2: want them to be successful. At some point, I want 676 00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,280 Speaker 2: to close the Royal Bank of Dad, but I know that, 677 00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:40,120 Speaker 2: I know that's further in the future. 678 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:42,400 Speaker 1: Please, I would like to close the Royal Bank of 679 00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:43,080 Speaker 1: Mom as well. 680 00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:43,560 Speaker 4: Great. 681 00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:47,560 Speaker 2: I remember at our wedding, Brittany's dad said that and 682 00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:50,080 Speaker 2: he meant it because it occurred the next day. 683 00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:53,600 Speaker 6: That was It's all on you now. 684 00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:56,640 Speaker 1: I cannot thank you enough for giving your time coming 685 00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,920 Speaker 1: on the show, particularly in this moment for Kentucky that is. 686 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:00,960 Speaker 4: Once again suffering. 687 00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:04,800 Speaker 1: So we just send so much love to the great 688 00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:08,879 Speaker 1: Stay of Kentucky and so much thanks to you for 689 00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:09,680 Speaker 1: showing up today. 690 00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:12,560 Speaker 2: Thank you now, thank you, And it's been a good experience. 691 00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:15,640 Speaker 2: We actually just dropped the first episode of the Andy 692 00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:19,719 Speaker 2: Basher podcast Aha, trying to get out there and communicate 693 00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,279 Speaker 2: directly with folks and to do a little bit of 694 00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:25,160 Speaker 2: what we've done here. It's to process a difficult world 695 00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:26,720 Speaker 2: with a conversation with friends. 696 00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:27,280 Speaker 4: Great. 697 00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:29,959 Speaker 1: We can't have enough of those conversations, I don't think. 698 00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:33,480 Speaker 1: So that's fantastic. I'll definitely be checking out your podcast. 699 00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:34,560 Speaker 3: Thank you very much. 700 00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:38,399 Speaker 4: Oh, thank you so much, Guvnor. I really appreciate your time. 701 00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:39,440 Speaker 3: Thank you. 702 00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:44,560 Speaker 5: Mini Questions is hosted and written by Me Mini Driver 703 00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:49,600 Speaker 5: Executive produced by Me and Aaron Kaufman, with production support 704 00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:54,040 Speaker 5: from Jennifer Bassett, Zoey Denkler and Ali Perry. 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