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Speaker 1: You know, we're living in a season where God's presence

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Speaker 1: on the front lines of this move. He's here to

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Speaker 1: share about the incredible miracles and healings he's witnessing. Is

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Speaker 1: really are possible. But before we get to that, join

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Speaker 1: me around the table is April Simon's how are you?

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Speaker 2: I am doing great and I love talking about miracles.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, some people think that, you know, the day of

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Speaker 2: miracles is over, and it's not. And God is no

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Speaker 2: respect our person's and they believe and have faith, which

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Speaker 2: is what we're going to talk about, and they're kind

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Speaker 2: to get their miracle.

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Speaker 1: And you know, Dorothy, I believe that we're going to

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Speaker 1: see more and more miracles and supernatural encounters in the

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Speaker 1: days ahead. I'll be God's given us a window for that.

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Speaker 1: That's right, Johnie, You are so right.

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Speaker 3: And you know what when I was when I realized

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Speaker 3: this guest was coming, I was so excited because, just

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Speaker 3: like April said, you know, we don't talk about it enough.

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Speaker 3: You know, where's our faith? What areas do we lack?

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Speaker 3: Because God is everything and with him, all things are possible.

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Speaker 1: There you go. That's good. Cindy Johnson, how are you kay?

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Speaker 1: I'm well, happy to be here today.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that thought came to me as you were talking

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Speaker 4: about miracles that He's able to do exceedingly abundantly above

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Speaker 4: all we can ask, think or imagine, so we can

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Speaker 1: That's true. Cidey Murderck, how are you doing. I'm doing well.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. Miracles in our life, haven't we We absolutely have.

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Speaker 5: We've experienced them in our own lives and our families lives,

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Speaker 5: and so I get excited when we talk about our

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Speaker 5: God and what he's able to do.

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Speaker 1: We're going to do today. And Billy Burke back to

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Speaker 1: the table here, So good to have you here. It's

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Speaker 1: going to be good.

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Speaker 6: Well.

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Speaker 1: Pastor Billy Burke is an evangelist passionate about God's presence,

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Speaker 1: dedicated to helping others, known for witnessing countless miracles. He

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Speaker 1: So we have to go back a little bit and

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Speaker 1: share some of your testimony, because you had a miracle.

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Speaker 1: You've had lots of miracles personally, you.

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Speaker 7: I wouldn't be here without them.

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Speaker 1: So let's go back to that diagnosis that you had

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Speaker 8: Brain cancer, metastasiz into my lungs, cancer lumps about that

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Speaker 8: and I was given three days to live. My grandmother,

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Speaker 8: my mother, had to sign papers to get me out

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Speaker 7: There's a lot of legal issues.

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Speaker 8: There because my grandmother was an avid listener to Catherine

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Speaker 8: Coleman every day three o'clock. That's where she was her

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Speaker 8: my grandmother's And I knew nothing about that. I mean

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Speaker 7: That was her time. I was just a kid, and

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Speaker 8: Our church didn't have alter calls, didn't believe in that.

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Speaker 8: She said, I'm taking you to see Catherine Coleman, and

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Speaker 1: Knowwhere Where were you all living at the time.

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Speaker 7: In a place called Greensburg, Pa, Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 8: And you know, we were taken into that meeting. It

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Speaker 1: So you went. She took you to this meeting with

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Speaker 8: Yes, they were preparing me for surgery the night before,

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Speaker 7: You know, this was nineteen sixty two.

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Speaker 1: And you were nine years old? Yeah, I think Cindy's

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Speaker 8: But she said, I'm taking you to see Catherine Coleman.

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Speaker 1: But what does she say to you?

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Speaker 8: She said, she said, I'm taking you to see Catherine Coleman,

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Speaker 8: and when she touches you, you will be That's.

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Speaker 1: What Cindy wanted to hear. By the way, yeah she touches.

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Speaker 8: My mind thought, how's she going to touch me? Because

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Speaker 1: Okay, So there we are. Let's go back to Pittsburgh

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Speaker 1: And you're in a in a wheelchair, in a wheelchair

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Speaker 7: And I said, I'm just wondering. I mean, I did

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Speaker 8: I was in excruciating pain, scruciating pain.

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Speaker 8: Uh he saw her evidently. I mean, there's all hundreds

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Speaker 7: She said, Billy. I'm going to call you young Billy.

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Speaker 8: And I just was like okay, And she said I

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Speaker 8: And she said do you believe? Well, what do you

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Speaker 8: say in this situation like that? I mean, you just

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Speaker 8: felt because I told later, I said, what perfume was

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Speaker 8: I said, I smelled perfume. She said, you didn't smell that.

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Speaker 1: Amen, what I felt as you were praying is that

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Speaker 2: You know, there's many different ways God heals, but I

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Speaker 2: Some people don't know that God still heals. Maybe they

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Speaker 8: Want every nobody wants that super And that's why I

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Speaker 7: Where do I go?

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Speaker 8: need every letter in the alphabet, plus the annoyeday. But

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Speaker 8: I mean today we've gone all natural. And if you had,

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Speaker 8: if you had a full auditorium full of people and

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Speaker 8: they can get help by vitamins and nutrition versus prayer

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Speaker 8: seeking God, they're going to take that natural way.

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Speaker 1: And I think there's nothing wrong with it, nothing wrong

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Speaker 1: with that.

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Speaker 8: But when it doesn't manifest at some point, why is

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Speaker 8: that door so closed? Why is that not working? Why

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Speaker 8: can't you move on off of that? And you know,

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Speaker 8: fish on this side of the boat, because he said

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Speaker 8: the fish are over here.

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Speaker 1: Would one of the things be to in April, I'm

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Speaker 1: thinking about your mom just healing scriptures from the word

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Speaker 1: of God. I mean, I've heard so many stories as

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Speaker 1: you know, writing those out on the INDs card and

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Speaker 1: putting them on the mirror. And the word of God

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Speaker 1: is powerful.

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Speaker 8: It is any form of any form of action. It's

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Speaker 8: just today. Why three four times in the John five

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Speaker 8: story that he deal with the bed more than man's

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Speaker 8: disease that couldn't walk. He dealt with the bed. You know,

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Speaker 8: rice pick up because the man got comfortable, pick up

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Speaker 8: your bed and walk. He got comfortable in his infirmity. Yeah,

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Speaker 8: so it's easier to go to a good church and

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Speaker 8: just get comfortable than to keep pressing in. There's the

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Speaker 8: challenge is that who can challenge you? Who you around?

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Speaker 8: That's motivating you? Hey, you are going to walk, you

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Speaker 8: are going to see again.

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Speaker 1: And your mother like just quickly thirty seconds four stage liverty, amazing.

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Speaker 2: Spread, didn't give her a chance to live. And you know,

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Speaker 2: like you said, I can I can see. Sometimes her

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Speaker 2: story hinders people because they think, well, you did it

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Speaker 2: this way. You quoted the scriptures and those are all great,

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Speaker 2: are your Dodeo Stein?

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Speaker 7: They lot of people do that.

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Speaker 1: They just yeah, but.

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Speaker 2: You know she walked to she put feature of faith,

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Speaker 2: and she walked it out. And not everybody gets healed

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Speaker 2: the same way like you talk about that.

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Speaker 1: You know she's healed. They gave her a few weeks

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Speaker 1: to live. She's been forty eight plus years.

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Speaker 7: I think she's what's amazing.

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Speaker 2: You have made breakfast. She did, she got a made breakfast.

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Speaker 2: She did everything she did in faith. But some people

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Speaker 2: can't get up and make breakfast. So then they took

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Speaker 2: condemnation for that. But you know, you get alone with

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Speaker 2: God and you realize number one, he's a healer, he

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Speaker 2: can heal you.

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Speaker 1: And then started it and feet to your faith. Beautiful,

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Speaker 1: so good. And forgiveness. You just spoke on forgiveness Sunday.

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Speaker 1: A lot of times unforgiveness can cause her body to

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Speaker 1: be sick.

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Speaker 4: Oh yes, because it's it's still causes pain when we're

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Speaker 4: not able to release that.

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Speaker 7: First, I getting my hand on agoiter.

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Speaker 8: This is I think this is in Barbados, and Barbados

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Speaker 8: I hid in my hand. It was squishy, it was

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Speaker 8: going through my fingers. It was that gross. I was

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Speaker 8: just like, I'm never doing this again. Don't never do

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Speaker 8: this again. And when I had hold of that goiter,

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Speaker 8: I said, you know because I just that was the

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Speaker 8: discernment came when I touched it. I said, you know

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Speaker 8: you're somebody you're not released and you're not forgiving. And

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Speaker 8: she said, well I know who that is. I said, well,

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Speaker 8: let's do that. That thing went down in my hand,

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Speaker 8: right on my hand. I'm thinking, So you think, who's

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Speaker 8: going to believe you? Yeah, because you create jealousy among

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Speaker 8: your own peers. You know, you tell your pastor friend,

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Speaker 8: then he goes, well, you know, how'd you do? Then

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Speaker 8: it creates problems. This is not just you know, you're

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Speaker 8: anointed to do something. You're anointed, but.

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Speaker 7: It's not easy.

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Speaker 8: You think people that used to be with you and

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Speaker 8: forty and they think, well, wow, you're seeing miracles.

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Speaker 7: I'm not. And it's not that way. I don't feel

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Speaker 7: that way or think that way. I just said, well, hey,

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Speaker 7: try it. Do that.

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Speaker 1: So what we only have like a minute left, Billy,

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Speaker 1: what would you say to someone watching right now that

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Speaker 1: they really don't understand a lot of what we're talking about,

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Speaker 1: but they they want to experience God's healing touch in

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Speaker 1: their life. What would you say to get in the

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Speaker 1: line of fire?

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Speaker 7: Get in the line of fire?

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Speaker 8: What's your program like this here, you know, where they

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Speaker 8: lay it out through this plane, you know, and make

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Speaker 8: some adjustments. We all make adjustments that we're not comfortable with,

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Speaker 8: you know, all kind of living adjustments through life. Aging

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Speaker 8: is a big adjustment, right, and you make those adjustments

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Speaker 8: because you want to live and then you want to

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Speaker 8: be well. And this here is an adjustment that needs

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Speaker 8: to be made for a lot of us that maybe weren't.

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Speaker 7: Exposed to this. So what do you do?

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Speaker 8: The programming is here, it's on this network. I'm sure

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Speaker 8: it's on some other networks. But get in the line

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Speaker 8: of fire there, go go to a meeting, sit it

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Speaker 8: way in the bag. It's more people come to our church.

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Speaker 8: Yeah yeah, yeah, that's good. But a lot of people

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Speaker 8: they they're not deep enough to go into the word,

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Speaker 8: you know, and but they're.

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Speaker 7: Deep enough to come to us.

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Speaker 8: A lot of people in our meetings are just not

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Speaker 8: church people, but they see it and they think of

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Speaker 8: all I have to do is show up, you know,

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Speaker 8: and they answer a word of knowledge or they come

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Speaker 8: down for prayer at the end. It's just get in

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Speaker 8: the line of somewhere where people are hearing that.

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Speaker 7: They are being made well.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I can't say anything any better than that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's good. I mean I've heard so many different

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Speaker 1: I mean, thousands of testimonies over the years of people

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Speaker 1: that have been healed. I've seen people that just put

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Speaker 1: on a worship yeah tape or worship music. There's so

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Speaker 1: much good worship music out there, and just begin to

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Speaker 1: close their eyes and get into the presence of God.

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Speaker 1: I've seen people just open up the Bible and the

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Speaker 1: Lord speak to him through the Word of God. I've

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Speaker 1: seen him go to church and get the elders to

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Speaker 1: pray for him, or the pastor, or go to a

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Speaker 1: service where Billy is where you actually pray for people

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Speaker 1: to be healed. Like you said, get in the line

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Speaker 1: of fire God.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, get in that local Bible

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Speaker 8: study down there. They're praying for people. Anywhere where you

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Speaker 8: hear that there's hope being offered. Make yourself available. Do

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Speaker 8: something like she said. I like that she put feet

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Speaker 8: through her faith. I like that phrase.

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Speaker 1: To your faith.

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Speaker 7: It's good faith, all right.

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Speaker 1: And another big one. I mean, the most important thing

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Speaker 1: you can do is receive Jesus. Just invite him in.

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Speaker 1: I mean, my grandpa just said, Lord, if you're there, God,

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Speaker 1: I need you. He didn't know how to pray. He

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Speaker 1: didn't understand about the Gospel or with the cross or Calvary,

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Speaker 1: or that Jesus died on the CROs. I mean he

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Speaker 1: came to understand that, but he just cried out and

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Speaker 1: the Lord heard his prayer and changed his life. He

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Speaker 1: wants to do that for you as well. Well, that's

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Speaker 1: all the time we have, don't you Remember God is

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Speaker 1: moving powerfully to bring healing and freedom no matter what

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Speaker 1: you're facing, whether it's sickness, emotional pain, or addiction. God's

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Speaker 1: love and mercy are greater, and He's ready to touch

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Speaker 1: you right where you are. And we can all just

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Speaker 1: like stretch our hand towards the camera right now, say Father,

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Speaker 1: in the name of Jesus, that person that's hurting right now,

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Speaker 1: we ask you to bring healing. You know your word

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Speaker 1: says that you were wounded for our transgressions and bruised

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Speaker 1: for our iniquities, and the chastisement of our peace was

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Speaker 1: upon you, and with your stripes we are healed. We

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Speaker 1: thank you for healing that person right now this watching

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Speaker 1: in Jesus' name, from the top of your head to

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Speaker 1: the soles of your feet. He knows what that is,

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Speaker 1: and he's touching you right now. Receive it and just

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Speaker 1: begin to thank him. Right there we are just say yes,

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Speaker 1: say it, Thank you Jesus, Thank you Jesus. Amen and amen. Well,

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Speaker 1: if you're watching today and you feel like the Lord's

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Speaker 1: touched you, or maybe you just need someone to pray

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Speaker 1: with you, that's why that numbers on the screen. And

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Speaker 1: we have amazing prayer partners that are standing by ready

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Speaker 1: to pray for you. And if you pray that prayer

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Speaker 1: of salvation invited Jesus in I'd love to send you

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Speaker 1: the Gospel of John for free. That's my gift to you.

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Speaker 1: It's a great place to start in the Bible. But

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Speaker 1: I do want to thank my friend Billy Burke for

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Speaker 1: joining us today. For more, you can visit him online

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Speaker 1: at Billyburke dot org and as always, make sure to

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Speaker 1: follow us on social media. Subscribe to the YouTube channel.

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Speaker 1: You can watch a lot of these good programs. You

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Speaker 1: full episodes, exclusive content, and just let us know how

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Speaker 1: Table Talk is touching your life. We love hearing from you.

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Speaker 1: You can also listen to Johnny Able podcast, available now

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Speaker 1: on all major platforms. But I want to thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for watching, and some of you've never watched before.

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Speaker 1: I'm so excited about what God has for you. He

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Speaker 1: has a plan for your life, a specific plan for

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Speaker 1: your life. He wants to use you to be a blessing.

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Speaker 1: Some of the things that you've gone through that you

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Speaker 1: don't understand, He's going to use those very things to

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Speaker 1: help other people. So you'll be ready for what He

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Speaker 1: has for you. We'll see you next time.

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Speaker 6: Bye bye for today.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, when life storms and trials threatened to

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Speaker 1: overwhelm us, what unshakable foundation can we rely on to

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Speaker 1: stay grounded? Well, today's guests, we'll reveal how a legacy

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Speaker 1: of faith became her anchor, guiding her and her family

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Speaker 1: through some of their most challenging moments. But before we

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Speaker 1: get to that journey around the tables, my dear friend

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Speaker 1: Cindy Johnston.

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Speaker 9: How are you.

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Speaker 4: I'm doing great, and I am so excited to hear

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Speaker 4: the story today.

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Speaker 1: She is awesome and she is a lot.

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Speaker 4: Wherever she goes, she always has a positive outlook and

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Speaker 4: I so appreciate you.

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Speaker 1: Know, we give her the name She's a little hope

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Speaker 1: giver and that's what she goes by. So who are

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Speaker 1: we talking about. We'll tell you in just a minute

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Speaker 1: and a kindle, how are you?

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Speaker 10: I am just great? And you know, legacy is so important.

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Speaker 10: All of us will leave a legacy. All of us

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Speaker 10: are part of a legacy. So it's going to be

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Speaker 10: so good to hear about this today, Dorothy.

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Speaker 1: How are you doing. I'm doing so good.

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Speaker 3: I'm so excited. You know, legacy, any of us could

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Speaker 3: leave a long lasting impact, but when you leave a

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Speaker 3: god long lesson impact, it makes all the difference.

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Speaker 1: In the world. It really does. And we want to

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Speaker 1: do that, don't we, Kindrick Kelly Days, So I mean

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Speaker 1: that's what it's about.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, right, you know, for your children and your children's

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Speaker 9: children and their children and all that. But I do

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Speaker 9: have to say I do love this guest. Yeah, she's

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Speaker 9: one of my favorite people. She's a doll. And one

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Speaker 9: of the things that I really appreciate about her is

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Speaker 9: just how genuine she is, because when you see her, like, oh,

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Speaker 9: she's so cute and trendy and all that, but she's

661
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Speaker 9: just so loving and she is loves people, and that's

662
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Speaker 9: when it's fair.

663
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Speaker 1: And she comes from a great legacy sitting or not.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely does And that's what I was thinking that we're

665
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 5: going to hear how it's been handed down the hope giver,

666
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 5: the hope dealer, trust, faith, and as it was given

667
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 5: down through her family lineage, she's carrying it on.

668
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Speaker 1: So that's right. Well, who are we talking about. Well,

669
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Speaker 1: today's guest is a talented author, speaker and also one

670
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 1: of my best sies. Here at the table, please welcome

671
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 1: April Simon's.

672
00:30:58,480 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 2: She is.

673
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 1: So sweet. Well, you know, you're known for one thing,

674
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 1: though you're known for a lot of things, but one thing, Lane,

675
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 1: you have to get a shot of the shoes. She's

676
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 1: always gone great, they are.

677
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 7: All right.

678
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 1: Well, you've seen April Simon's at the table before, but

679
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 1: today she opens up with her own powerful testimony about

680
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 1: growing up in a faith filled family and experiencing firsthand

681
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 1: the incredible life changing power of miracles. And we were

682
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 1: talking about the John Osteine legacy.

683
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 2: Who happens to be your father, my daddy, Yes, your daddy.

684
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 1: You loved him, so I did you.

685
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 2: Know this month will be twenty six years?

686
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 1: Can you believe it? I can't at all.

687
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 2: It's just it's gone fast. But it's gone slow. I

688
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 2: can't explain it. Yeah, I miss him.

689
00:31:56,360 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 1: So talk a little bit about growing up in the

690
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:04,959
Speaker 1: John and Dotie ostein household. What was fun? Because you

691
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 1: always say that you were.

692
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 2: The favorite I am my favorite child. Just in case

693
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 2: you're wondering, I'm the favorite child. I'm the youngest. And

694
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 2: you know what, growing up was just fun. I was

695
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 2: a preacher's kid and I actually loved it. And we

696
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 2: just we lived at church. I feel like I was

697
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 2: born at church, lived at church. You know, we played

698
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 2: church at home.

699
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 1: Would you go Sunday morning, Sunday night, Wednesday night, and

700
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 1: every Friday.

701
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 2: Night night and all these other nights, but you know

702
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 2: something about it.

703
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 1: We had fun.

704
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 2: When Joel and I would stay home for on like

705
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 2: a Wednesday night, if we had homework or something, we'd

706
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 2: actually play church. We take the offering, he'd sing, one

707
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 2: of us would preach, and I'm sure Joel we both sang.

708
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 1: It was pretty bad, but we had fun. It was

709
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 1: just our life.

710
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 2: And I don't have a typical story of you know,

711
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 2: a dreadband PK's kid.

712
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 1: I actually really loved it. Wow. So talk a little

713
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 1: bit about kind of the transformation that took place in

714
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 1: your dad's life. He didn't have it really easy growing up, No,

715
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 1: and so talk a little bit about that and then

716
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 1: him being called into ministry and then kind of coming

717
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 1: into the full gospel.

718
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was. My dad was older when he had me.

719
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 2: He was born in nineteen twenty one, and he grew

720
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 2: up in a very poor family. They didn't know anything.

721
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 2: They never talked about God. He's never told about God.

722
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 2: There was a big Bible on his coffee table. It

723
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 2: had a picture of Jesus knocking at the door of

724
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 2: somebody's heart. And you know, he just he was He

725
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 2: was the family that had to stand in line for

726
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 2: food during the Great Depression.

727
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 1: Wow.

728
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 2: And you know, I told myself, I'm not going to cry,

729
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 2: but you know, he just he grew up very just

730
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 2: not knowing God, just having to go to school with

731
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 2: holes in his you know.

732
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 1: Shoes, a little hopeless, hopeless.

733
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 2: And you know, at seventeen years old, he was coming home.

734
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 1: From a nightclub.

735
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 2: Thank you, coming home from a nightclub, and used to

736
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 2: say two o'clock in the morning, lost and done without God.

737
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 2: And he remembered the picture of Jesus on his coffee table. Wow,

738
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:08,839
Speaker 2: he said, God if you're real, I need you. And

739
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 2: his best friend Sam Martin invited him to church and

740
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 2: he got saved at seventeen in Fort Worth, Texas, and

741
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 2: he just started to preach. I actually have the Bible

742
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 2: where he said I was saved at seventeen. I don't

743
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 2: know what year that was twenty one plus seventeen, nineteen

744
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 2: thirty eight. And it just began from there. He began

745
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:30,399
Speaker 2: preaching everywhere where he went. He went to a denominational

746
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:33,719
Speaker 2: seminary and he was a pastor of a denominational church

747
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 2: and loved it and just was doing And we.

748
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,399
Speaker 1: Say, since John was a Baptist, can we just say

749
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:43,840
Speaker 1: it was a Baptist. Yeah, we can say it was. Yeah.

750
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 2: He went through a hard time in his life. He

751
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 2: went through a divorce, not something that he thought would happen.

752
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 2: This was not my mom, and.

753
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 1: You know, he felt like he felt God.

754
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 2: And I think Dorothy heard this story before I ever

755
00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 2: knew to Dorothy. My mom and I were on table

756
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 2: talk and she heard this story and my mom told

757
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 2: me about my dad's divorce, and you know, he kind

758
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 2: of took himself out of ministry.

759
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:07,360
Speaker 1: He disqualified himself.

760
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:10,760
Speaker 2: Then he read in the Bible that God uses imperfect people.

761
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 2: He thought, if you can use imperfect people, you can

762
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 2: use me. So he dested it off his feet. He

763
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 2: got back into the ministry, later married. My mom had

764
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 2: five great kids. I hear that youngest one is really great.

765
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 1: Five great kids.

766
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:29,880
Speaker 2: And then they passed her together. And then my sister

767
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 2: was born, and brother. Then my sister yes, and she

768
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 2: was born with something like they called it something like

769
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 2: cerebral palsy, had no sucking reflexes, could not move, and

770
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,320
Speaker 2: the doctors told them she would not be normal, probably

771
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 2: be in a wheelchair all of her life. And I

772
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 2: can't imagine having five kids myself getting that news. And

773
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 2: you know, my mom and dad just really, you know,

774
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 2: they didn't really know what to do. My dad was

775
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 2: taught that there was a day of miracles and.

776
00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 1: That the day of miracles was over.

777
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:02,320
Speaker 2: So can you imagine being with your little helpless baby.

778
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:05,359
Speaker 1: And so he just got alone with God.

779
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 2: He thought he felt the stirring on the inside that

780
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:08,759
Speaker 2: said there's got to be more.

781
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 1: So he checked himself into a hotel. This is so funny.

782
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 2: Checked himself into a hotel and he said, God, I'm

783
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 2: not coming out ntil I have the baptism and the

784
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:18,439
Speaker 2: Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking in tongues, and.

785
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:21,319
Speaker 1: That was all foreign. Whatever happened in x I wanted God,

786
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 1: that's how you want it, Yes, And he was there.

787
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:27,720
Speaker 2: He read the gospels and he saw that Jesus healed people,

788
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 2: and you know, healed deaf people, blind people, causes the

789
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 2: lame to walk.

790
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 1: And then he got to the scripture that I.

791
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:38,239
Speaker 2: Consider a family legacy. Scripture is Hebrew thirteen eight. Jesus

792
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 2: Christ is the same yesterday, today.

793
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:41,399
Speaker 1: And forever. And it went off.

794
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 2: Had a revelation moment and epiphany. God, if you held

795
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 2: in Bible days and you're the same yesterday, today and forever,

796
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:50,400
Speaker 2: you heal my little daughter. So he came home, got

797
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 2: the baptism, and the Holy Spirit came back fired up.

798
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 1: Mama didn't know what happened to him, and he thought

799
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:58,320
Speaker 1: he's going crazy. What in the world. He began to

800
00:36:58,360 --> 00:36:58,719
Speaker 1: tell her.

801
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 2: Dody and Paul, my oldest brother, said we're going to

802
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:04,319
Speaker 2: believe that Lisa's going to get a miracle, and she

803
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 2: didn't even.

804
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 1: Know what that meant.

805
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:08,400
Speaker 2: They'd been taught that there was a day of miracles

806
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 2: and it was over. But he realized there's a god

807
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 2: of miracles and he's still in the miracle working business.

808
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 2: So with just little faith, not knowing anything, they just

809
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:19,839
Speaker 2: Daddy said to Mama, just go speak that he's healed

810
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 2: in Jesus name. And I read my mom's book. You know,

811
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 2: I'm the youngest kid. They don't tell me these things.

812
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:26,919
Speaker 2: I have to read it in her book. She said

813
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 2: that paul and her would go Paula and she would

814
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:31,759
Speaker 2: go look at Lisa and she'd just say, Jesus, will

815
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 2: you heal her?

816
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 1: Will you heal her? And simple prayer.

817
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:37,400
Speaker 2: And I thought, you know, sometimes we think we have

818
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:40,400
Speaker 2: to have these eloquent prayers. And she didn't know anything

819
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:43,799
Speaker 2: about miracles anyway. They just said that every day they

820
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 2: saw through eyes of faith, and eventually, you know what,

821
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 2: Lisa was able to suck a bottle.

822
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 1: She flipped over, she held her head up, and you.

823
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 2: Know what, She's perfectly normal, and she's amazing. She's my

824
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 2: big sister. She's one of my best friends.

825
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 1: And she preaches a lot like your dad. She is

826
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 1: Daddy junior.

827
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:03,880
Speaker 2: She's Daddy on steroids.

828
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 1: So she's amazing.

829
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 2: But they saw the miracle and.

830
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 1: It was a real miracle.

831
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 2: It was a true miracle, and I think, you know,

832
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:14,759
Speaker 2: just the legacy. Let me go back to Daddy being

833
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:18,279
Speaker 2: in poverty. We're talking about legacy. He realized when he

834
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 2: grew up a little bit that poverty is not from God.

835
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 1: And he realized he.

836
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 2: Did not want his future family to be in that

837
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:26,360
Speaker 2: curse of poverty. So he broke the curse of poverty.

838
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:28,360
Speaker 2: So there's one thing he broke, that curse of poverty.

839
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 2: Then they got to the miracles. They set the groundwork

840
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 2: for the legacy the generation to come that we believe

841
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:35,320
Speaker 2: in miracles.

842
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:37,360
Speaker 1: God can do what men can do. God can do

843
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 1: the impossible.

844
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 2: So eventually Mama got the baptism in the Holy Spirit,

845
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:45,839
Speaker 2: and even though the denomination chose to keep them, they

846
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:47,759
Speaker 2: felt like they needed to go start their own church.

847
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 2: And they started like with Baptist Church in the feed store.

848
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:53,479
Speaker 2: And from what I know, a storm came through town

849
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 2: and blew off the word Baptist. Daddy took it as

850
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:57,799
Speaker 2: a time from heaven. So that's how it became Land Church.

851
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 1: That's how it became like like, oh my goodness. So

852
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:06,959
Speaker 1: immediately like it started growing, I mean, and people from

853
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 1: all walks of life were welcome to come. Yeah. You know.

854
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:11,320
Speaker 2: I wasn't there when it was a feed store, but

855
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 2: I was there when it was smaller, like five hundred people.

856
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 2: And I would sit on the front row and sing

857
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:18,239
Speaker 2: real loud, and that's before I knew I couldn't sing.

858
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 1: My dad was every service, Jenny.

859
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 2: He would get up and he'd say, I want you

860
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 2: to turn to the left, and I want you to

861
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:27,800
Speaker 2: look at the wall. So we just turned to the

862
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:29,359
Speaker 2: left and we looked at the wall and he said,

863
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:31,720
Speaker 2: now I want you to look with eyes of faith

864
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 2: beyond the wall, and I want.

865
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:34,799
Speaker 1: You to see a five thousand seed auditorium.

866
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 2: And he said, do you see it there? Do you

867
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 2: see that packed with people? Do you see people worshiping God?

868
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 2: Do you see people getting healed and saved and delivered

869
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:44,839
Speaker 2: and hundreds of people giving their life to Jesus every

870
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:48,880
Speaker 2: single service? And I remember as a kid, I didn't

871
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:50,719
Speaker 2: know what that meant. I didn't know what a five

872
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 2: thousand seed auditorium looked like, but I could imagine it

873
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:56,360
Speaker 2: because my dad made the vision so clear. Yeah, And

874
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 2: so then we would stretch out our hands and we'd

875
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 2: pray for that five thousand seed autit and I promise you,

876
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 2: I mean talk about legacy of faith that we all

877
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 2: want to give our kids.

878
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:06,319
Speaker 1: It wasn't a year into it.

879
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 2: You know where I was sitting on the front row

880
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 2: of the five thousand seed auditory. Wow, seeing hundreds of

881
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 2: people come give their heart to Jesus every week, people

882
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 2: you know, just being loved and as worshiping God. And

883
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:20,760
Speaker 2: I mean, you tell me that doesn't make a difference

884
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 2: in your kid's life totally?

885
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:24,320
Speaker 1: And when did he start doing? This is my Bible.

886
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 2: I actually have the Bible where he wrote it down,

887
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 2: say some of it. This is my Bible. I am

888
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:30,719
Speaker 2: when it says I am. I have what it says

889
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 2: I have. I can do what it says I can do.

890
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 2: Today I'll be taught the word of God. I boldly confess.

891
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 2: My mind is alert, my heart is receptive. I'll never

892
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:38,759
Speaker 2: be the same in Jesus' the name. I'm about to

893
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 2: receive the incorruptible, indestructible, ever living seed of the Word

894
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:44,359
Speaker 2: of God, and I'll never be the same in Jesus way.

895
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 1: Every church service now, Joel has continued that, Yeah, well

896
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 1: we'll get to him. He's coming in all of this.

897
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 1: He's coming with all the other kids so there you

898
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 1: are sitting in the five thousand cedar, and by now

899
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:05,840
Speaker 1: he's on television and he's starting to produce his preaching program.

900
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 1: And who's doing that for him? Jil So he's behind

901
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:10,720
Speaker 1: the scenes, behind the scenes.

902
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 2: We brought in a director producer from California to help

903
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 2: teach him. And so I was working in the TV department.

904
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:17,799
Speaker 2: I don't know what I was doing, but I was

905
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:18,359
Speaker 2: back there too.

906
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 1: He was back there, and but it began to make

907
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 1: an impact because you went beyond the four walls of

908
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 1: the church into definitely, yeah, definitely. So okay, so talk

909
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:34,320
Speaker 1: a little bit about I guess your mom getting sick.

910
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 2: Well, that was in nineteen eighty one, and my mom

911
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 2: was always healthy, never saw her second in my life.

912
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:44,240
Speaker 1: And everything's going good at the church, everything's going great.

913
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 2: I mean, nineteen eighty one, we're having our Thanksgiving convention

914
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 2: we called it conventions back then, and all these people

915
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:51,799
Speaker 2: from all over the world were there and my mom

916
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 2: had a pain in her side and it went for

917
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 2: weeks and finally she went to the doctor to get

918
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 2: it checked out. They immediately admitted her into the hospital,

919
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 2: did extensive tests, and they found out she had metasthetic

920
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 2: cancer of the liver. And you know, the doctor came

921
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 2: out and he looked at my dad and he said, pastoristing,

922
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:10,880
Speaker 2: your wife has metasthatic cancer of the liver and she

923
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:14,400
Speaker 2: it's spread. She has a grapefruit sets tumor, and she

924
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:15,399
Speaker 2: has a few weeks to live.

925
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:18,279
Speaker 1: And she's like how tall and how much? Like she's

926
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:18,880
Speaker 1: five foot too.

927
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 2: She's the original pollypocket and she's normally one hundred pounds.

928
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 1: She had gotten down to eighty eight pounds, but she

929
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 1: was probably like around one hundred pounds, one hundred pounds.

930
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 1: And so the.

931
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:30,919
Speaker 2: Doctor said that to my dad, and my dad looked

932
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:33,719
Speaker 2: at the doctor and said, we believe in miracles. And

933
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:35,279
Speaker 2: the doctor looked back at my dad and said, you're

934
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 2: going to need a miracle.

935
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 1: And my dad, with.

936
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 2: This little five foot seven, blue eyed self, looked at

937
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:40,920
Speaker 2: him and said, we're going to get our miracle.

938
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 8: Yes.

939
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:45,880
Speaker 1: And that's when everything you know, changed changed me. I

940
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 1: am not going to cry. It's okay if you do,

941
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 1: because we all cry.

942
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 2: But you know, I try to tell this story, but

943
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 2: I when I.

944
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:54,880
Speaker 1: Can, there's like an annoying that comes when you start talking.

945
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:55,839
Speaker 1: I relive it.

946
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 2: I'm back in the place I saw the miracle about.

947
00:42:58,040 --> 00:42:59,800
Speaker 2: But anyways, he brought her home from the hospital, and

948
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 2: you're still a home. I'm at home and only Kut

949
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:05,799
Speaker 2: at home. And she just looked like death is the

950
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 2: only way I can describe it. She was yellow, eighty

951
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:11,880
Speaker 2: eight pounds, bent over, she's forty eight, looked like she

952
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 2: was ninety eight, and she smiled. And I saw my

953
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 2: mom in there, and I remember thinking, I can't believe

954
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:20,240
Speaker 2: that's mama. Then I watched them walk back to their bedroom.

955
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 2: They had no idea I was watching, and they lay

956
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:26,880
Speaker 2: down on their faces on the carpet, and I'm standing

957
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:29,840
Speaker 2: in the doorway, and I hear Daddy say, God, we

958
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:32,880
Speaker 2: believe today, on December eleventh, nineteen eighty one, that by

959
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 2: the stripes of Jesus Dody's midwell, we cursed that cancer

960
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 2: at the root. We commend it to wither it. And

961
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 2: then he said, God, I need her. The kids need

962
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 2: her in Lake with church needs her. And then my

963
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:47,759
Speaker 2: little frail mom that looked like death, got up, put

964
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 2: her bible on the ground. Her feet are this big,

965
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 2: tiny and she actually stood on the word of God

966
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:55,240
Speaker 2: and she lifted up her arm and she got real strong,

967
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 2: and she said, God, the only thing between me and

968
00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 2: death is your word, and I'm choosing to stand on

969
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:02,919
Speaker 2: your word. I mean, take back to the doorway there

970
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:05,919
Speaker 2: I am. I will forever remember that scene in my life,

971
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:06,719
Speaker 2: my entire life.

972
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 7: Wow.

973
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:10,880
Speaker 2: And the next day, you like to you always remember

974
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:13,920
Speaker 2: the story. My mom always got up and made me breakfast.

975
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 2: And I woke up to the smell of breakfast and

976
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:17,720
Speaker 2: I thought, dear God in heaven, Daddy made breakfast.

977
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:23,240
Speaker 1: It's a miracle. And I walked into the kitchen.

978
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 2: There's my breakfast, there's my sack lunch, just as normal.

979
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:27,880
Speaker 2: And I come around the corner and there at the

980
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:30,360
Speaker 2: fasa is my mom with her back to me. And

981
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:32,919
Speaker 2: I said, Mama, what are you doing away She's turned

982
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 2: around and she said another defining moment, she said, Apri,

983
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 2: I'm not going to lie in bed like a sick person.

984
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 1: I'm going to act like a healed person. Wow.

985
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:43,440
Speaker 2: Yeah for her, And it just I say, at that moment,

986
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 2: Mama became my hero.

987
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 1: Wow. It just it. You cannot talk me out of

988
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:50,440
Speaker 1: a miracle because I've seen it with my own eyes.

989
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:52,439
Speaker 2: And I think the reason I cries because I saw

990
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:55,440
Speaker 2: what death looks like and I saw God do the impossible.

991
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 2: Long story short, she quoted the word of God. I

992
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:00,440
Speaker 2: mean I heard faith come out of her mouth. I

993
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 2: don't know how she felt, but I know what she said.

994
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 2: She knew her words framed her world, and she walked

995
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:10,239
Speaker 2: it out. I mean, y'all, we'd drive a graveyard going

996
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:12,759
Speaker 2: to church, and Mama would scare the fire out of you.

997
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:15,440
Speaker 2: She'd say, I'll live and not die and proclaim the

998
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 2: works of the Lord. She found that why most people

999
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:20,359
Speaker 2: looked at a graveyard and saw death, Mama looked at

1000
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:22,920
Speaker 2: a graveyard and was reminded of the life.

1001
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:24,879
Speaker 1: She still had. So how long was this walk out

1002
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:26,719
Speaker 1: for her? I asked her that the other day. I

1003
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:27,279
Speaker 1: think it was.

1004
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 2: About it, you know, months to a year.

1005
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 1: She doesn't even remember, She said, I don't know.

1006
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:34,399
Speaker 2: I just started feeling better. I thought, can you give

1007
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 2: me a little bit more than that?

1008
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 1: So did you notice like she started looking better? Or

1009
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:40,800
Speaker 1: I think I did.

1010
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:44,279
Speaker 2: She just she just kept doing what she always did,

1011
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:47,240
Speaker 2: even though she was so frail. She just kept going.

1012
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:49,760
Speaker 2: I call her the energizer bunny. She just keeps going.

1013
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 1: True.

1014
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 2: So nineteen, anyone a few weeks to live she is

1015
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 2: now ninety one years old, and I can't keep track

1016
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 2: of that.

1017
00:45:56,520 --> 00:46:01,720
Speaker 1: Always gone, no pray. She has ministry. Oh my goodness,

1018
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:05,279
Speaker 1: she or she prays for every person. Yes, she does

1019
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 1: it by zoom.

1020
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:08,840
Speaker 2: At seventy eight, she started the first drive through healing service.

1021
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:10,880
Speaker 2: Prayed for people out in the parking lot they drove through.

1022
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 2: She got in the car and prayed over them. So

1023
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:14,759
Speaker 2: she's a go getter. She's a trailblazer.

1024
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:15,240
Speaker 1: Wow.

1025
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 3: Wow.

1026
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 1: So tell me about your dad watching her during that time.

1027
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 1: Tell me what was he saying? What was he doing,

1028
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:24,360
Speaker 1: because I mean this was kind of like yeah, she

1029
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:29,879
Speaker 1: declared that. Yeah, he just kind of he went with it.

1030
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:32,239
Speaker 2: It's funny I remember more of my mom during that

1031
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 2: time than my dad because he carried on and carried

1032
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 2: on the church and all that, but he was just

1033
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 2: always If I was to rewind, I would realize there

1034
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:43,799
Speaker 2: was always life being spoken in our house. And they

1035
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:46,399
Speaker 2: were very particular about who prayed, not that they didn't

1036
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 2: want people praying, but who spoke into her life. At

1037
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:51,840
Speaker 2: that time, because she'd already been given a death sentence,

1038
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:54,919
Speaker 2: she didn't need any anybody saying, you know, my aunt

1039
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:57,359
Speaker 2: dad did that same thing. You know whatever, she'd get

1040
00:46:57,400 --> 00:46:59,319
Speaker 2: that people out of good heart just don't know what

1041
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 2: to say, right, So he would just you know, he

1042
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 2: encouraged me and he I mean, we just went on.

1043
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 2: It's funny, Joni, because my dad taught me so much

1044
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:13,400
Speaker 2: about God that when he told me April Mom was

1045
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 2: going to be healed.

1046
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 1: I actually believed him. Yeah, And I.

1047
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 2: Had to not focus on what she looked like. I thought,

1048
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 2: you know, Daddy said she's gonna be well. Not that

1049
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 2: we put all our faith in our dad, but I

1050
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:25,799
Speaker 2: knew he had a close relationship with God.

1051
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, for sure. So in nineteen eighty one,

1052
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:31,359
Speaker 1: and then that would become a miracle. Your dad would

1053
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 1: share and so many people would come down for prayer.

1054
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:37,720
Speaker 1: It would encourage their faith and God would heal right.

1055
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:41,279
Speaker 2: It kind of started the prayer partners and they got

1056
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 2: to they are always ministered as a team. But just

1057
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:47,840
Speaker 2: miracles would happen at church. I grew up seeing miracles

1058
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:50,799
Speaker 2: and just I don't know, when you just take God

1059
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:53,400
Speaker 2: at his word and you choose God, God just shows

1060
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:54,440
Speaker 2: himself faithful.

1061
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:57,840
Speaker 1: So true, so true. Okay, So let's fast forward to

1062
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:01,920
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety nine. Yeah, because your dad had seen so

1063
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 1: many mirrors. Yeah, so many miracles.

1064
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:06,439
Speaker 2: And you know, being the youngest, I never thought about

1065
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 2: the day my dad would die, even though he was

1066
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:11,880
Speaker 2: almost fifty when he had me, and he was in

1067
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 2: the hospital and he went to heaven.

1068
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:17,480
Speaker 1: He didn't negotiate with us on that or anything. How old?

1069
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:19,920
Speaker 1: How old was your dad? He was seventy seven? He

1070
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:23,560
Speaker 1: was seventy seven. And did you like, tell me about

1071
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 1: your last few days of seeing him. Did you have

1072
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:28,279
Speaker 1: any idea he was going to graduate? I had, That's

1073
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:30,440
Speaker 1: what I say, by the way, graduate, Yeah, graduate, and

1074
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 1: that's a good thing.

1075
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 2: He I didn't really know, you know, I think being

1076
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 2: the youngest, you just kind of don't live in that world, Alisa,

1077
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:39,359
Speaker 2: I didn't, And you know, I just thought he's going

1078
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 2: to come out of it.

1079
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 1: He always came out of it.

1080
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:44,480
Speaker 2: And he was just over at my house, and you know,

1081
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 2: I noticed he walked a little bit slower, but I

1082
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:49,480
Speaker 2: didn't think much of it, but I ate I went

1083
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:52,280
Speaker 2: over to his house and he was trying to eat something,

1084
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 2: and he reached across the table and he told me

1085
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 2: some real personal encouraging an encouraging word, not like a

1086
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:02,239
Speaker 2: prophetic word, an encouraging word. And I remember walking out

1087
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 2: into the garage and I thought, I wonder if Daddy's

1088
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:05,440
Speaker 2: gonna go to heaven.

1089
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:08,960
Speaker 1: And then because that was something that stood out to you,

1090
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:11,759
Speaker 1: like so stood out. He was intentional, like what he

1091
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:14,600
Speaker 1: said to you. Yeah, and then he went to heaven.

1092
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 2: At four fifty four on a Saturday afternoon, four fifty four,

1093
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 2: we had the TV on in his hospital room and

1094
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:25,440
Speaker 2: on the news six minutes later they announced it to

1095
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:28,920
Speaker 2: Houston and they announced the passing of my dad and

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Speaker 2: followed by a special report of someone saying if a

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Speaker 2: sen or daughter takes over the church, it will more

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Speaker 2: than likely fail.

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Speaker 1: So we were seven minutes old, good old fake news. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So of course your dad I know this story from

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Speaker 1: being with Joel, is that he had asked Joel to

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Speaker 1: preach and he had always said no, no, he's behind

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Speaker 1: the scenes, behind the scenes. Yeah, But so tell a

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Speaker 1: little bit of that story, because I think your dad

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Speaker 1: actually was in the hospital and heard preach his first sermon.

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Speaker 2: He was Joel just thought, I'm gonna do it. I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna make Daddy happy. Joel and I we didn't think Joel,

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Speaker 2: he's older than me, but we're the closest together. And

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Speaker 2: I don't think he really thought Daddy was going anywhere,

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Speaker 2: and he thought, I'm just gonna get.

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Speaker 1: This over with. I'm a preaching. Then he went to

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Speaker 1: the hospital.

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Speaker 2: This was before all the things that we have now,

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Speaker 2: the technology, and.

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Speaker 1: He set up a TV so Daddy could see him

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Speaker 1: live preaching.

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Speaker 2: And he came back to the hospital after he preached.

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Speaker 2: I was sitting on the front road by the way,

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Speaker 2: why Jeel's preaching. I was cheering him on, but I

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Speaker 2: was sweating, man, I was sweating so bad. But anyway,

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Speaker 2: he did good. Everybody loved him. But Joel went up

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Speaker 2: to the hospital. He did good, and he got better

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Speaker 2: and better and better. He went to the hospital afterwards

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Speaker 2: and Daddy just bragged on him and he just said

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Speaker 2: that was the greatest. And anyway, Joel thought that was it.

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Speaker 1: Did it got? You know, he's done. Don't have to

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Speaker 1: ever check that all.

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Speaker 2: Check that off, go back to behind the scene. Yes,

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Speaker 2: And little did we know that he would graduate. And

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Speaker 2: you know, most people see the end product where the

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Speaker 2: church is flourishing.

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Speaker 1: But I remember thinking, how in the world are we

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Speaker 1: going to do this right? How could we? Ever?

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Speaker 2: My dad used to say, preach from the overflow. And

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Speaker 2: I think I don't got any inflow.

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Speaker 1: I don't have.

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Speaker 2: Overflow nothing, you know, So you know, it was just

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Speaker 2: it was very hard. I was I was nine months

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Speaker 2: pregnant with my fourth baby, and I was sad because

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Speaker 2: he wasn't going to see my baby.

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Speaker 1: And God gave me a dream and.

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Speaker 2: God speaks through me how I understand it. And in

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Speaker 2: my dream, my brothers and sisters and my mom and

1144
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Speaker 2: I were all lined up and in front of us

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Speaker 2: was a good looking pair of shoes.

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Speaker 1: This isn't my dream, and this was a God dream.

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Speaker 2: And in this dream, you know my questions, God, how

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Speaker 2: are we going to ever fill my dad shoes?

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Speaker 1: How are we going to do this?

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Speaker 2: And I mean I'm truly worried about it. And God

1151
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 2: just showed me. He said this to me. You know,

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Speaker 2: your dad's fulfilled his purpose. He's done. He's good, He's

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Speaker 2: with me.

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Speaker 1: He finished his race, he's finished his strong. He did,

1155
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Speaker 1: he finished strong.

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Speaker 2: He said, you don't have to fill your dad shoes.

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Speaker 2: Each one of you has your own shoes to fill.

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Speaker 2: Fill your shoes and walk in your lane and go

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Speaker 2: the course, and I'll be with you every step.

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Speaker 1: Of the way. And of course the funny story of

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Speaker 1: that is again because I know this story is someone

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Speaker 1: wore your dad shoes.

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Speaker 2: Yes, for the first year, for a year, for the

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Speaker 2: first year, yes.

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Speaker 1: Joel wear his shoes.

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Speaker 6: Yes.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 2: And then he realized, you know, he wore it, you know,

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Speaker 2: just because he felt close to my dad.

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Speaker 1: And then after a year he stopped.

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Speaker 2: And anyway, it's just really neat how God just did

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Speaker 2: it in the middle of us, not understanding, not knowing,

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Speaker 2: how God just showed up.

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Speaker 1: Well, so you think by the five thousand seed auditorium

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Speaker 1: that that is amazing, Right, we can just maintain this,

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Speaker 1: but God had more, and so talk a little bit

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Speaker 1: about the miracle of what happened, which you know your

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Speaker 1: dad was helping from the other side.

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Speaker 2: My dad used to always say, let's buy the Astrodom, which,

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Speaker 2: if you know Houston, that was a big arena, and

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Speaker 2: we're gonna have church one day.

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Speaker 1: In the Astrodom.

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00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:05,160
Speaker 2: Well he was just a little bit off because Astrodom

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00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:07,759
Speaker 2: is no longer. But the Compact Center was there where

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Speaker 2: the Houston Markets played, and you know, Joel had season

1186
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Speaker 2: tickets there and I don't know, he just had something

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00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:15,879
Speaker 2: in his heart that that was supposed.

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Speaker 1: To be the place for the church. And so the

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Speaker 1: Compact Center which seats how many sixteen thousand, okay.

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Speaker 2: And and by the way, you know, Joel had a

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Speaker 2: lot of naysayers along the way, and you know a

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Speaker 2: lot of people left, but look how many more people came.

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Speaker 1: And God's again just been so faithful.

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Speaker 2: But the grace of God and through a miracle in

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Speaker 2: the city that my family got the Compact Center right

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00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:37,520
Speaker 2: totally paid.

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Speaker 1: Off, which was a total miracle.

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Speaker 2: Total.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I can tell you I remember walking through

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Speaker 1: there before it was ready for the church, and Joel

1201
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Speaker 1: was telling us about the miracle of it and what

1202
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:52,640
Speaker 1: an amazing, amazing legacy, amazing story. And of course not

1203
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Speaker 1: only really all of you, all of you children actually,

1204
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Speaker 1: I mean, Paul is a doctor, but he still speaks,

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00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:02,560
Speaker 1: I think, but you kind of preach and share. Would

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00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:05,680
Speaker 1: you take a moment and just give someone that's watching

1207
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 1: an opportunity to receive Jesus and we'll just repeat it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, This one decision can change the course of

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Speaker 2: your family and your life.

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Speaker 1: And it's very simple.

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Speaker 2: All you have to say is this, Dear Heavenly Father,

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Speaker 2: dear heavily.

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Speaker 1: I asked you to come into my heart today. I

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00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:19,719
Speaker 1: asked you to come to my heart. I ask you

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Speaker 1: to forgive me and my.

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Speaker 2: Sins, clear my slate, Lord God, today I declare that

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Speaker 2: you're my Lord and savior today, and I'm going to

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Speaker 2: live the rest of my life for you.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to live in Jesus name. Jesus men. Amen.

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Speaker 1: That beautiful. That's awesome. What a great story. And now

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Speaker 1: you're passing that down to your kids. I'm trying.

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Speaker 6: I'm trying.

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Speaker 1: You copied your dad and had five kids, Yes I did.

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Speaker 1: I had, you know.

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Speaker 2: I read and I read one of his books the

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Speaker 2: other day, which I've never read before. And you know,

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Speaker 2: when your parents write books, you don't really read them.

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Speaker 2: But I saw it and it was called The Confessions

1229
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Speaker 2: of a Baptist Preacher, and I had no idea. I thought,

1230
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Speaker 2: great title. It sounds like he's confessing all the suns.

1231
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Speaker 2: But it was really declarations. And I thought, this is

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Speaker 2: why I'm so big into declarations.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's passed down. That's what I say.

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Speaker 2: I come from a long line of hope dealers, and

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Speaker 2: I just carry on it, carry it on, and that's what.

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Speaker 1: You are a hope dealer. Well, we love you do

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Speaker 1: We love April. We love you so much. And when

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Speaker 1: you see her at the table now, you're going to

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Speaker 1: know like some of her story. Yes, I know that

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Speaker 1: blessed you. Well. We are out of time, but don't

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Speaker 1: forget that God is still the God of miracles. Our

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Speaker 1: hope is in him. He is the anchor for ourselves

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Speaker 1: and whatever challenges you're facing, you can know and understand

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Speaker 1: that He is with you. He'll never leave you'll never

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Speaker 1: forsake you, and he will only not only sustain you,

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Speaker 1: but give you strength to rise above whatever challenge is

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Speaker 1: going on right now. And that's why that paralyne numbers

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Speaker 1: on the screen. If you're watching the day and you

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Speaker 1: need prayer, we'd love to pray with you. We have

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Speaker 1: that prayer with April. We would love to send you

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Speaker 1: the Book of John, the Gospel of John from the Bible.

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Speaker 1: It's just a great place to start. It be good

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Speaker 1: for you to get a Bible. When you can understand

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Speaker 1: and start reading it, it will change your life. As

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Speaker 1: well as get involved in a good church. That's important

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Speaker 1: as well. But I'm going to tell you what. That

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Speaker 1: And I'm so excited that you opened your heart and

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Speaker 1: a lot, but it was so good, right, it was

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Speaker 1: so good, And I tell you what, what a blessing.

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Speaker 1: April is here at the table. I love her so

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