WEBVTT - Bad Sisters with Sharon Horgan 0:00:00.840 --> 0:00:02.400 Hi, Catherine, Hi Chelsea. 0:00:02.680 --> 0:00:07.080 Hi, I'm straight off of Texas. I just got from 0:00:07.080 --> 0:00:09.400 home from Texas and you actually had fun. It seems 0:00:09.440 --> 0:00:12.960 like we had a great time. That Texas crowds were amazing, Houston. 0:00:12.640 --> 0:00:14.640 Dallas, Austin. It was really fun. 0:00:15.160 --> 0:00:18.319 I had Yaminika was my special guest this weekend. She's 0:00:18.320 --> 0:00:20.880 fucking crazy. We're gonna have her on the podcast. She 0:00:21.200 --> 0:00:25.200 is crazy. She should be a mental institution, which is 0:00:25.200 --> 0:00:27.440 why I'm going to stay very close by her side. 0:00:27.560 --> 0:00:28.240 I'm so glad. 0:00:28.320 --> 0:00:32.479 Dylan Mlvani was telling me that we ran into her. 0:00:33.080 --> 0:00:36.680 We ran into Francis Tfo, the tennis player who I love, 0:00:36.760 --> 0:00:39.960 who's such a great tennis player. We ran into my cousins, 0:00:40.040 --> 0:00:43.280 friends everywhere. It was a real fun weekend in Texas. 0:00:43.320 --> 0:00:46.440 I had a lot of tacos, but only one decent one. 0:00:46.479 --> 0:00:49.280 We stopped at Bucky's. We have course, didn't travel with 0:00:49.320 --> 0:00:51.040 any drugs there that would be illegal. 0:00:52.360 --> 0:00:54.760 Oh but they have drugs there now. They have Delta nine. 0:00:54.960 --> 0:00:56.040 Oh what does that? 0:00:56.040 --> 0:00:56.360 That's that? 0:00:56.800 --> 0:00:57.040 You know? 0:00:57.400 --> 0:00:59.040 I feel like it's like uzu. 0:00:58.880 --> 0:01:01.040 For you know, when they don't have real alcohol at 0:01:01.120 --> 0:01:02.240 restaurants and they have uzu. 0:01:03.280 --> 0:01:05.320 That's what I feel like deltonne is I'm not really 0:01:05.360 --> 0:01:06.480 sure what Dalton nine is. 0:01:06.520 --> 0:01:09.400 Actually, it's like cannabis, like if it's legal in Texas, 0:01:09.400 --> 0:01:09.680 it's not. 0:01:09.760 --> 0:01:10.360 I can't be real. 0:01:10.760 --> 0:01:12.280 Is it like you get it from a gas station 0:01:12.360 --> 0:01:15.280 sort of thing two from the nineties or that. 0:01:15.319 --> 0:01:17.200 I don't know where you get it from, I mean 0:01:17.400 --> 0:01:19.440 the pseudo fed Maybe I'm not sure. I'm not the 0:01:19.480 --> 0:01:21.760 person to ask. I mean my study of cannabis has 0:01:21.840 --> 0:01:22.760 like kind of taken. 0:01:22.600 --> 0:01:24.800 A back seat. Yeah, you use the real stuff. But 0:01:25.080 --> 0:01:26.560 and then I was just dealing with Yaminika. 0:01:26.720 --> 0:01:29.200 I mean really, yeah, you know, she's a mess, and 0:01:29.240 --> 0:01:31.840 she wants she's horny. She's horny all the time. She 0:01:31.880 --> 0:01:34.760 loves to get action all the time. And I felt 0:01:34.760 --> 0:01:36.319 like if she didn't get it from a man, she 0:01:36.440 --> 0:01:38.119 was gonna come to me, do you know what I mean? 0:01:38.160 --> 0:01:40.400 And I was like, like we were it was getting 0:01:40.480 --> 0:01:43.000 very physical, and I was like, listen, I'm not the one. 0:01:43.080 --> 0:01:43.840 Can you provide? 0:01:43.920 --> 0:01:47.000 No, no, no, I can't. I'm not going down on anybody. 0:01:47.080 --> 0:01:50.640 So that's what she was specifically looking for, Okay, and 0:01:50.680 --> 0:01:53.560 then she stays at these terrible motels or hotels to 0:01:53.600 --> 0:01:55.680 get points. I don't know where the points are going 0:01:55.840 --> 0:01:58.360 or how you could even accumulate points at these places, 0:01:58.400 --> 0:01:59.000 but whatever. 0:01:59.560 --> 0:02:01.560 I mean, if you stay at a terrible motel to 0:02:01.560 --> 0:02:03.360 get points, you can just get more stays at a 0:02:03.440 --> 0:02:04.040 terrible motel. 0:02:04.200 --> 0:02:05.960 I guess so, yeah, I guess so. 0:02:06.160 --> 0:02:07.960 But we had a great time and then we came home, 0:02:08.320 --> 0:02:10.079 and now we're home and then I'm shooting my I'm 0:02:10.080 --> 0:02:11.240 shooting my special this weekend. 0:02:11.320 --> 0:02:12.680 Yeah, you're going next home? 0:02:12.800 --> 0:02:16.320 Yes, yes, great, I am so, I'm going to a 0:02:16.360 --> 0:02:19.919 new wave here seek and Doug flipped out. 0:02:19.960 --> 0:02:20.639 You know, it was funny. 0:02:20.680 --> 0:02:22.239 I was in the car on the way home from 0:02:22.240 --> 0:02:25.200 the airport and watching Instagram and there was this video 0:02:25.320 --> 0:02:26.960 of this dog. It was in New Finland, so it 0:02:27.000 --> 0:02:30.079 wasn't Doug like a chow, but New Finland black Newfoinlands 0:02:30.120 --> 0:02:30.880 look a lot like Doug. 0:02:31.320 --> 0:02:33.079 And the dog had the zoomies when his mom. 0:02:33.160 --> 0:02:35.920 It was a video called Mama's Mama's Home and he 0:02:36.200 --> 0:02:38.079 the dog went nuts and nuts and nuts. And I 0:02:38.760 --> 0:02:41.000 literally walked in the door and that's exactly what Doug did. 0:02:41.120 --> 0:02:42.960 So it was like life imitating art. 0:02:43.040 --> 0:02:45.840 That's incredible. Yeah, yeah, he went nuts. 0:02:45.880 --> 0:02:47.800 I mean he was airborne a couple of times, just 0:02:47.880 --> 0:02:48.880 jumping over things. 0:02:49.360 --> 0:02:50.720 So that was exciting. 0:02:50.840 --> 0:02:52.200 It's nice to have a man who was just like, 0:02:52.240 --> 0:02:53.120 so excited to see you. 0:02:53.280 --> 0:02:55.080 And also when I don't put the pressure on the 0:02:55.120 --> 0:02:57.160 relationship with Doug, when I'm not like, of course, I'm 0:02:57.160 --> 0:02:58.840 all over him and I want, you know, to be 0:02:59.040 --> 0:03:01.240 with him, inside of him. But when I don't put 0:03:01.280 --> 0:03:03.120 the pressure on it and I let him do his thing, 0:03:03.240 --> 0:03:06.359 he is actually much more. Like he came into bed 0:03:06.480 --> 0:03:09.200 twice the night before last, and last night he came 0:03:09.240 --> 0:03:11.920 into bed and that was so sweet, Like I didn't 0:03:11.919 --> 0:03:13.959 ask him to, he just hopped up and wanted to cuddle. 0:03:14.080 --> 0:03:14.920 I love that. 0:03:14.919 --> 0:03:15.600 That's very sweet. 0:03:15.600 --> 0:03:18.079 I feel like Chow personalities are a little more cat like. Yeah, 0:03:18.080 --> 0:03:20.080 they're like them alone, they come to you. 0:03:20.440 --> 0:03:21.840 Yeah, you have to leave them alone. 0:03:21.880 --> 0:03:24.720 And you know, I didn't learn that lesson with Burton Bernice, 0:03:24.720 --> 0:03:25.679 but I'm learning it with Doug. 0:03:25.919 --> 0:03:28.280 Yeah. Well, this says I'm excited about our guest today. 0:03:28.360 --> 0:03:32.160 She's responsible for catastrophe Bad Sisters. Bad Sisters is in 0:03:32.200 --> 0:03:34.600 season two on Apple right now, so please give a 0:03:34.600 --> 0:03:38.480 warm welcome to Sharon Horgan. 0:03:41.600 --> 0:03:44.720 Who's a lucky duckling. Today we are me. 0:03:45.760 --> 0:03:47.560 Oh my god, where are you? You look like you're 0:03:47.600 --> 0:03:50.280 It's such a nicely designed studio. 0:03:50.120 --> 0:03:52.000 Room in a Where are you in it? 0:03:53.360 --> 0:03:53.840 Carlton? 0:03:54.120 --> 0:03:56.560 It smells like a ritz Carlton from where I sit. 0:03:56.960 --> 0:03:59.920 Yeah, it really does. It's thirty seventh floors up, which 0:04:00.120 --> 0:04:02.200 means your soup's cold when he gets here. 0:04:02.880 --> 0:04:05.160 Sharon, Are you drinking a cocktail at eleven in the 0:04:05.200 --> 0:04:06.240 morning or where are you? 0:04:07.880 --> 0:04:10.000 I wish I was as soon as I finished this. 0:04:10.440 --> 0:04:12.160 Well, first of all, I would always recommend having a 0:04:12.160 --> 0:04:14.440 cocktail when talking to me. But I was on a 0:04:14.440 --> 0:04:18.800 plane yesterday at like nine am and they this guy 0:04:18.880 --> 0:04:20.599 next to me ordered a bourbon and coke and I 0:04:20.600 --> 0:04:23.400 almost threw up in my mouth. I was like, why 0:04:23.400 --> 0:04:25.000 does it have to be a bourbon and coke at 0:04:25.040 --> 0:04:26.000 nine o'clock in the morning. 0:04:26.720 --> 0:04:30.880 That's not one of the designated breakfast drinks, you know, 0:04:32.880 --> 0:04:38.600 because exactly right, Memosa is a breakfast drink. Acceptable. Let 0:04:38.720 --> 0:04:41.360 me marry is a breakfast drink if you could drink 0:04:41.400 --> 0:04:45.360 of bourbon. Breakfast is Christmas Day when old drinks are 0:04:45.920 --> 0:04:47.320 old drinks are legal. 0:04:48.040 --> 0:04:51.440 Yeah, Sharon, speaking of early morning drinking, I mean you 0:04:51.680 --> 0:04:53.680 are Irish and isn't that where. 0:04:53.720 --> 0:04:55.719 Early morning drinking began in Ireland? 0:04:56.080 --> 0:04:59.560 I think so that's what the scriptures say, the ancient ones. 0:05:00.040 --> 0:05:02.520 We're very we are very good at drinking. I quit 0:05:02.600 --> 0:05:05.720 for nearly three years, though, so that was a weird 0:05:06.440 --> 0:05:10.560 sort of landscape to be in. Whenever I go back home, 0:05:10.800 --> 0:05:11.640 that was an odd one. 0:05:11.800 --> 0:05:15.200 Why did you quit for three years? 0:05:15.440 --> 0:05:19.000 Why? No, there was a good reason, I tell I'll 0:05:19.040 --> 0:05:21.200 tell you why. It was at the end of COVID 0:05:21.839 --> 0:05:24.560 and every everyone's drinking had just gotten out of control. 0:05:24.920 --> 0:05:27.880 I think, I know, but three years is a long commitment. 0:05:28.360 --> 0:05:31.240 I know. I had, like in fairness, I had like 0:05:31.279 --> 0:05:34.400 if someone got married, I'd have a glass of champagne 0:05:34.600 --> 0:05:37.320 and drink like half of it. I suddenly just became 0:05:37.680 --> 0:05:39.960 freaked out that I wasn't like if I had a 0:05:40.040 --> 0:05:44.440 drink then I'd sort of get professional again. And we 0:05:44.440 --> 0:05:48.719 were just partying all through COVID, and one night I 0:05:48.839 --> 0:05:51.680 was this is sounds so middle class. I was shocking oysters, 0:05:52.240 --> 0:05:56.480 and I put the thing with the shukka through my hand. 0:05:56.960 --> 0:06:00.280 It's not the scar and I was just like, oh 0:06:00.360 --> 0:06:04.440 fuck it, and I'm carried on with the knives. I 0:06:04.480 --> 0:06:06.839 woke up the next morning and I couldn't move my hand. 0:06:06.920 --> 0:06:09.400 There was a little of my pillow, and I went 0:06:09.440 --> 0:06:14.160 to hospital. I thought I should probably just like CHILLNKH, 0:06:14.320 --> 0:06:15.840 just chill out for a bit and then and then, 0:06:15.880 --> 0:06:17.479 you know, the way if you're someone who is a 0:06:17.520 --> 0:06:21.200 bit you know, I just got really into it. I 0:06:21.240 --> 0:06:24.080 got really into not drinking, the way people who like 0:06:24.160 --> 0:06:26.240 to drink get into drinking. So I found that I 0:06:26.279 --> 0:06:28.400 was really good at it. And then, you know, I 0:06:28.400 --> 0:06:30.080 guess the novelty wore off a little bit. 0:06:30.560 --> 0:06:32.800 Yeah, I think everything's good to experiment with for a 0:06:32.839 --> 0:06:35.960 few years here and a few years there, sobriety included. 0:06:36.320 --> 0:06:37.120 I like it sometimes. 0:06:37.120 --> 0:06:39.040 I mean sometimes I feel like I think everyone had 0:06:39.040 --> 0:06:41.840 a very similar experience in COVID unless you were sober 0:06:41.880 --> 0:06:45.520 and your and your sobriety was probably challenged or threatened. 0:06:45.920 --> 0:06:47.760 But yeah, I mean, there wasn't much going on. 0:06:48.000 --> 0:06:51.599 I took lots and lots of drugs, mushrooms, edibles. Throughout 0:06:51.600 --> 0:06:54.400 my COVID experience. I went to heights I had never 0:06:54.440 --> 0:06:55.080 seen before. 0:06:55.520 --> 0:06:56.360 I just wanted to see it. 0:06:56.360 --> 0:06:58.560 At a certain point, like I just started experimenting with 0:06:58.600 --> 0:07:00.839 my own body. I'm like, what can I handle? Like 0:07:00.920 --> 0:07:02.920 I felt like a mac truck. I'm like, can anything 0:07:03.000 --> 0:07:06.599 take me down? But I want to make sure everyone listening. 0:07:06.600 --> 0:07:11.200 That's not for everyone, that's just for me. So, Sharon, 0:07:11.240 --> 0:07:13.560 I first caught wind of view in a big way 0:07:13.760 --> 0:07:16.680 with Catastrophe, which is still to this day. You and 0:07:16.760 --> 0:07:20.000 Rob Delaney in that show was so fucking funny. Every 0:07:20.040 --> 0:07:24.080 scene in that show was so ridiculous and so well written. 0:07:24.120 --> 0:07:26.640 I was like, who is this woman? And I wanted 0:07:26.960 --> 0:07:28.600 I have to do something with you. At some point, 0:07:28.680 --> 0:07:30.040 you have to put me in one of your shows 0:07:30.040 --> 0:07:32.960 because I just want to hang out and be stupid. 0:07:33.160 --> 0:07:36.400 Yes, please do but and then she chops that off. 0:07:36.480 --> 0:07:39.360 Hang on, didn't we ask you to be Rob sister? 0:07:39.520 --> 0:07:43.720 I think we did in Catastrophe? Im No, I don't know, 0:07:43.840 --> 0:07:46.360 not that I know about it. I think so, well, 0:07:46.400 --> 0:07:48.320 next offer you, I just switched agents. 0:07:48.360 --> 0:07:50.680 That's probably why. Next time you have something for me, 0:07:51.000 --> 0:07:52.800 go to wm ME. They'll let me know. 0:07:53.440 --> 0:07:54.120 All right, we'll do. 0:07:54.400 --> 0:07:57.640 But after that I saw the next time I was 0:07:57.680 --> 0:07:58.480 so you left that show. 0:07:58.480 --> 0:07:58.680 Sorry. 0:07:58.720 --> 0:08:02.120 How many seasons was catastroph. 0:08:00.880 --> 0:08:04.040 We did four, which is a lot for the UK. 0:08:04.640 --> 0:08:07.080 Yeah, and it felt like you could have done more. 0:08:07.160 --> 0:08:09.440 But probably wise to leave before. 0:08:09.400 --> 0:08:13.640 Right, Yeah, I think that sort of stage of having kids, 0:08:14.040 --> 0:08:15.920 we sort of felt like we'd done it, you know, 0:08:16.000 --> 0:08:19.160 we'd said everything we wanted to say about that particular 0:08:19.880 --> 0:08:22.960 era of having young children. But like maybe we always 0:08:22.960 --> 0:08:26.080 sort of talked about down the line, whether teenagers or something, 0:08:26.080 --> 0:08:28.320 we might revisit it. It's different now, though, I think 0:08:28.680 --> 0:08:30.720 we'd both feel a bit like, oh shit, what do 0:08:30.760 --> 0:08:33.520 we do? I'd rather write something new with him because 0:08:33.520 --> 0:08:34.760 we had such a great time. 0:08:34.960 --> 0:08:37.439 I know, I knew could get together. It was such 0:08:37.480 --> 0:08:38.719 an unusual. 0:08:38.240 --> 0:08:41.600 Show for that time because it was very unique idea 0:08:41.880 --> 0:08:44.360 about these two people just hooking up, not knowing each 0:08:44.400 --> 0:08:47.560 other and getting pregnant and then staying together, which is 0:08:47.640 --> 0:08:49.880 just so crazy to even think about doing. But your 0:08:49.960 --> 0:08:53.200 chemistry together, you should definitely be doing more stuff together. 0:08:53.200 --> 0:08:54.959 It's so fun to watch as if you were. 0:08:55.160 --> 0:08:57.880 And as a comedian, you know, I don't find many 0:08:57.920 --> 0:09:01.320 things funny because I'm I guess I don't know why 0:09:01.360 --> 0:09:01.760 that is. 0:09:02.559 --> 0:09:03.120 I get it. 0:09:03.200 --> 0:09:06.200 I mean, we were obsessive about the amount of jokes 0:09:06.240 --> 0:09:08.679 that had to be in it. We were quite we 0:09:08.800 --> 0:09:11.320 had really strong opinions about how many jokes there had 0:09:11.360 --> 0:09:14.240 to be in her page, and I think my sitcom 0:09:14.280 --> 0:09:19.320 background was funny, really funny sitcom, and Rob's background was 0:09:19.559 --> 0:09:22.360 stand up and you know, he's just a naturally one 0:09:22.400 --> 0:09:24.920 of the funniest people you could ever meet. So we 0:09:24.960 --> 0:09:26.880 would sort of read it out all the time, and 0:09:26.880 --> 0:09:29.920 if it didn't feel like there was a high level 0:09:29.920 --> 0:09:32.640 of jokes through about sort of we would get panicky. 0:09:33.240 --> 0:09:34.640 And it was kind of the first one of the 0:09:34.720 --> 0:09:37.400 first things we thought about. I mean character obviously, but 0:09:37.480 --> 0:09:39.080 then it was just jokes. 0:09:39.280 --> 0:09:41.640 I feel like true comedians just care more about the 0:09:41.640 --> 0:09:44.920 comedy and then the character comes after and if there's enough, 0:09:45.120 --> 0:09:48.000 like I know, that's the opposite way of professionally like 0:09:48.040 --> 0:09:50.080 as any writer would look at anything, they're always like, no, 0:09:50.160 --> 0:09:52.240 this character wouldn't do. I'm like, but it's not funny. 0:09:52.520 --> 0:09:55.240 Let's make it fucking funny. That's what the relief is 0:09:55.240 --> 0:09:58.000 for viewers to really be laughing at something, you know, 0:09:58.520 --> 0:09:59.439 at the absurdity. 0:10:00.120 --> 0:10:02.080 You left that show. You guys were done with that. 0:10:02.440 --> 0:10:04.320 So for those of you who have not seen it, 0:10:04.559 --> 0:10:07.160 Bad Sisters is out season two, but please watch season 0:10:07.200 --> 0:10:11.200 one first, because this show talk about original concepts and 0:10:11.280 --> 0:10:14.400 talk about great characters. I mean, I'm from a big family. 0:10:14.400 --> 0:10:16.440 I know, Sharon, you're from a big family as well. 0:10:16.760 --> 0:10:20.079 I love nothing more than sisters. I have two sisters. 0:10:20.400 --> 0:10:23.640 Whenever I we have sisters call into the show with problems, 0:10:23.800 --> 0:10:26.920 I am so sister positive. And this show is so 0:10:27.120 --> 0:10:31.240 fucking funny because there are five sisters five or four four. 0:10:31.640 --> 0:10:32.640 Five five all together? 0:10:32.720 --> 0:10:36.000 Yeah, five sisters altogether, Okay, five sisters who are all 0:10:36.160 --> 0:10:38.920 very different, who all and they have one sister who 0:10:38.920 --> 0:10:41.880 has a total douchebag for a husband. And this guy 0:10:41.920 --> 0:10:45.080 plays this role to a tea. I mean, he is repugnant. 0:10:45.400 --> 0:10:50.000 He like you, you are your vagina closes when you 0:10:50.040 --> 0:10:50.680 watch him. 0:10:50.840 --> 0:10:54.880 It's amazing. It's amazing because he's a handsome mom. Like 0:10:54.920 --> 0:10:57.840 he's a you know, tall, dark, handsome mom, but he 0:10:57.920 --> 0:11:00.840 is he absolutely does close your I know, like as 0:11:00.840 --> 0:11:01.199 same as. 0:11:01.320 --> 0:11:06.800 Because totally the sisters are all plotting together to figure 0:11:06.800 --> 0:11:09.439 out a way to get their sister away from this man. 0:11:09.600 --> 0:11:12.679 And then it becomes and it's also set in Ireland, 0:11:12.800 --> 0:11:15.880 so it's so beautiful to see and so refreshing to 0:11:15.880 --> 0:11:19.440 see another backdrop like that. Just even the architecture and 0:11:19.480 --> 0:11:21.560 your houses and the design. 0:11:21.559 --> 0:11:22.880 Of being in a different country. 0:11:22.920 --> 0:11:26.040 It's just so refreshing from American television, you know, and 0:11:26.160 --> 0:11:29.200 our an American La La Land. Our new fad, which 0:11:29.200 --> 0:11:31.880 I'm sure you're very well aware of, is everything needs 0:11:31.960 --> 0:11:34.200 this gorgeous backdrop, you know, it's that got to be 0:11:34.240 --> 0:11:37.160 like a white lotus or perfect couple, like everything's in 0:11:37.240 --> 0:11:40.320 Nantucket and it's like, I don't like that. That's not 0:11:40.360 --> 0:11:44.360 relatable at all. It's very real and gritty. As what 0:11:44.400 --> 0:11:45.760 I'm saying, it. 0:11:45.840 --> 0:11:49.200 Is real, and I guess you know, there's an aspirational 0:11:49.480 --> 0:11:51.839 element to it and that you know, people want to 0:11:51.880 --> 0:11:54.000 be part of a big family, and there's sort of 0:11:54.000 --> 0:11:58.120 a wish fulfillment that comes with deciding that you'll kill 0:11:58.200 --> 0:12:02.320 someone That awful plenty to sort of look at and enjoy. 0:12:02.720 --> 0:12:05.080 But we always thought it has to look real, like 0:12:05.120 --> 0:12:07.240 the women have to look real in it, because if 0:12:07.280 --> 0:12:11.240 it's not real, and if people don't believe this setup 0:12:11.240 --> 0:12:13.480 and these women and their connection, they're not going to 0:12:13.559 --> 0:12:15.640 get behind them in the same way you kind of 0:12:16.120 --> 0:12:18.880 had to get behind them every episode they tried to 0:12:18.960 --> 0:12:21.200 kill them, so in order to sort of make that 0:12:21.360 --> 0:12:26.440 conceit work and to really feel like you were behind 0:12:26.480 --> 0:12:29.360 killing a man, I think it had to be truthful 0:12:29.440 --> 0:12:29.920 as much as. 0:12:29.880 --> 0:12:32.280 Possible, which is something I've always dreamt of doing with 0:12:32.320 --> 0:12:34.520 my own family group, you know, picking one of our 0:12:34.880 --> 0:12:38.000 like my sibling spouses and just getting rid of them forever. 0:12:38.200 --> 0:12:40.840 Like that sounds like it's such a how did you 0:12:40.880 --> 0:12:42.200 come up with that concept? 0:12:42.520 --> 0:12:45.360 Oh? Well, I can't. I can't take credit for that. 0:12:45.400 --> 0:12:50.280 So it's based on a Belgian series called Clam, which 0:12:50.320 --> 0:12:54.600 was a marvelous same conceit. I mean, it was completely 0:12:54.640 --> 0:12:58.000 different execution that it was way crazier, Like there was 0:12:58.040 --> 0:13:01.360 a lot more murders than a lot like you know, 0:13:01.440 --> 0:13:04.000 collateral damage, whereas I was kind of really interested in 0:13:05.160 --> 0:13:08.040 the emotional side of it, you know, and the impact 0:13:08.160 --> 0:13:11.400 that being in that kind of abiece of relationship would 0:13:11.400 --> 0:13:14.680 have on Grace and on the sisters. And they hired 0:13:14.760 --> 0:13:18.000 hit men and dead bodies ended up in dog food 0:13:18.200 --> 0:13:21.240 sort of factories, and you know it. It was kind 0:13:21.280 --> 0:13:25.840 of ott. But the central conceit of these five sisters 0:13:25.840 --> 0:13:29.480 and their bond and one of them being married to 0:13:29.520 --> 0:13:32.600 a prick, and just like, we've got to save her 0:13:32.640 --> 0:13:36.280 before we lose her entirely that that already existed, So 0:13:36.920 --> 0:13:39.720 I was really lucky to get that. For the second season, 0:13:40.040 --> 0:13:42.400 I had to think it up myself. 0:13:42.800 --> 0:13:44.840 Yeah, exactly, So how did you tackle that? 0:13:45.720 --> 0:13:49.480 I suppose I was really interested in what would happen next, 0:13:49.720 --> 0:13:53.640 Like the end of the first season, I loved, you know, great, 0:13:53.720 --> 0:13:57.360 he's dead and they're back together and they saved her 0:13:57.400 --> 0:13:59.640 and she jumps into the water into the forty foot 0:13:59.679 --> 0:14:03.120 with and it was lovely, but it was also kind 0:14:03.120 --> 0:14:06.199 of a fairy tale, I guess, fairy tale ending for her, 0:14:06.760 --> 0:14:10.960 And I think the idea of what would really happen 0:14:11.080 --> 0:14:14.719 and how someone is as good as Grace would be 0:14:14.760 --> 0:14:16.480 able to just get on with their life after that, 0:14:16.559 --> 0:14:18.400 like how the guilt with eat her up. And also, 0:14:19.040 --> 0:14:21.760 you know, someone like that who would have isoolated herself 0:14:21.800 --> 0:14:24.600 for all those years and sort of would try and 0:14:24.720 --> 0:14:27.600 hide the kind of relationship she was in and how 0:14:27.640 --> 0:14:30.960 abusive it was, wouldn't be very good at like going 0:14:31.000 --> 0:14:34.080 to her sisters then and opening up if something, if 0:14:34.080 --> 0:14:38.080 something else terrible happened. So so yeah, I just actually 0:14:38.080 --> 0:14:40.040 felt it was closer to the kind of things I 0:14:40.160 --> 0:14:42.600 used to write, you know, Like I loved writing the 0:14:42.880 --> 0:14:45.280 first season and the thriller and the Caper and all that, 0:14:45.360 --> 0:14:49.400 but actually the real true fallout of being in a 0:14:49.440 --> 0:14:52.400 situation like that, I found kind of easier, you know, naturally, 0:14:52.520 --> 0:14:54.280 kind of easier to dig into. 0:14:54.840 --> 0:14:56.760 It's also great that you write all your stuff and 0:14:56.800 --> 0:14:58.880 then you star in your own stuff and you're a 0:14:58.920 --> 0:15:01.520 fifty four year old w I would like to say, so, 0:15:02.040 --> 0:15:04.520 I grew up in this industry when I was coming up. 0:15:04.560 --> 0:15:07.120 I'm going to be fifty next year, when I grew up. 0:15:07.200 --> 0:15:09.440 Every when I grew up, but when I was coming 0:15:09.520 --> 0:15:11.560 up and all my actress friends were I had one 0:15:11.600 --> 0:15:14.760 specific actress friend who was like, everyone becomes invisible when 0:15:14.760 --> 0:15:17.480 they're forty, Like you are no longer valuable, You will 0:15:17.520 --> 0:15:19.840 no longer be looked at the same way. And I 0:15:19.960 --> 0:15:23.360 always thought, no, that can't be true, Like that depends 0:15:23.400 --> 0:15:25.000 where your value was coming from. 0:15:25.520 --> 0:15:28.480 I had thought exactly the same thing. I thought exactly 0:15:28.480 --> 0:15:31.160 the same thing. I remember my agent taking me out 0:15:31.200 --> 0:15:34.080 for lunch on one of the visits to LA I 0:15:34.160 --> 0:15:36.760 used to make lots of pilots and nothing got picked up, 0:15:37.120 --> 0:15:40.000 and I started getting more and more like panicky. And 0:15:40.080 --> 0:15:41.880 I remember taking out for luncheon. I think I was 0:15:41.920 --> 0:15:44.800 only like early forties Max, and I was like this 0:15:44.880 --> 0:15:48.640 is we got with the time because very soon no 0:15:48.680 --> 0:15:51.760 one's gonna want to see this. But I think that 0:15:51.880 --> 0:15:54.840 must have been what I was seeing around me. You know, 0:15:55.000 --> 0:15:59.680 there was that huge jump where women just sort of 0:15:59.680 --> 0:16:02.400 disap heed until they were you know, Judy Dunch or 0:16:02.440 --> 0:16:04.720 Maggie Smith or it kind of felt like you could 0:16:04.760 --> 0:16:08.200 be up to a certain age where you were acceptable 0:16:08.240 --> 0:16:10.480 and then you kind of had to just fuck off 0:16:10.480 --> 0:16:12.120 for a bit and then you can come back when 0:16:12.120 --> 0:16:14.800 you're a crone. And so I guess that's all I 0:16:14.960 --> 0:16:19.240 say nervous about. But I mean, that's not entirety change, 0:16:19.240 --> 0:16:21.680 but it is. I think it's changed a lot, and 0:16:21.720 --> 0:16:22.360 I think it changed. 0:16:22.760 --> 0:16:24.840 I think, especially when we consider like where we are 0:16:24.880 --> 0:16:28.360 politically right now. The reason why men are so you know, 0:16:29.000 --> 0:16:33.520 so scared of female empowerment and female success is because 0:16:33.520 --> 0:16:36.480 it threat you know, that's threatening to them, right because 0:16:36.560 --> 0:16:38.720 we wouldn't be at this moment if they didn't really 0:16:38.760 --> 0:16:41.640 see women succeeding in ways that we hadn't been before. 0:16:41.760 --> 0:16:44.000 We obviously have way more work to do, but. 0:16:44.400 --> 0:16:46.880 It is it is a threat to this male white 0:16:46.920 --> 0:16:50.400 supremacy idea that so many females are in charge of 0:16:50.400 --> 0:16:52.880 their own lives, that are single, that are business women, 0:16:52.920 --> 0:16:56.880 that are creatives, and in all sorts of areas of business, 0:16:56.920 --> 0:16:59.280 not just Hollywood so exactly. 0:16:59.520 --> 0:17:01.400 I mean, when it comes down to it comes down 0:17:01.440 --> 0:17:03.400 to commerce all the time, doesn't it. And there was 0:17:03.480 --> 0:17:07.679 definitely their their cava point where you just couldn't deny 0:17:07.760 --> 0:17:12.080 the fact that female content, whether it was created by 0:17:12.359 --> 0:17:15.320 or written or starring was was getting watched by not 0:17:15.440 --> 0:17:18.480 just a specific demographic of women of a certain age. 0:17:18.520 --> 0:17:22.040 You know, I had this wide audience and somebody comes 0:17:22.080 --> 0:17:24.040 once it, Once it comes down to that, I think 0:17:24.560 --> 0:17:26.160 they have to sort of believe it. 0:17:26.400 --> 0:17:29.199 Yeah, and women there's more women than men, and women buy. 0:17:29.240 --> 0:17:31.360 I spend more money than men, and. 0:17:31.359 --> 0:17:34.160 We live longer spending it for me. 0:17:34.119 --> 0:17:36.000 Because we're happier once the men are gone. 0:17:36.119 --> 0:17:39.119 We can live even longer because it's less stressful for 0:17:39.200 --> 0:17:40.119 anyone who's married. 0:17:40.119 --> 0:17:41.720 You're not married though, right, you're divorced. 0:17:42.560 --> 0:17:47.880 I I don't. Yeah, I got I got my graduate boards, 0:17:51.280 --> 0:17:54.760 I got my uh, I forget what it's called decree 0:17:54.880 --> 0:17:58.119 absolute yesterday. 0:17:57.200 --> 0:18:01.119 Wow, thank you. You deserve a party. I know I am 0:18:01.119 --> 0:18:03.800 going to party tonight. I have good boyfriend there and 0:18:04.119 --> 0:18:06.920 that's lovely, but it took so long. I mean COVID 0:18:06.960 --> 0:18:08.720 came in the middle of it all and all sorts 0:18:08.760 --> 0:18:12.040 of shit, but it just came through. Yes, I was 0:18:12.040 --> 0:18:13.679 sitting in a cab and it came through and it 0:18:13.720 --> 0:18:16.600