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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast.

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Speaker 2: Second hour Clay and Buck kicks off right now, and

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Speaker 2: we're talking about platform.

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Speaker 3: Wars, if you will.

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Speaker 2: TikTok looks like it may very well the forced under

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Speaker 2: law to divest from China, and this is waiting to

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Speaker 2: We're waiting to see what the Senate does with this.

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Speaker 2: It passed the House by wide margin, and there's a

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Speaker 2: lot of back and forth over this one. I wonder

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Speaker 2: how much these individuals. It wasn't long ago was a

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Speaker 2: well known joke that the people trying to regulate Facebook

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Speaker 2: say under section two thirty, not to be confused with

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Speaker 2: Section two forty, which whatever that is. Section two thirty,

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Speaker 2: barely know how to use Facebook, but they're the ones

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Speaker 2: that are regulating Facebook in the Congress. I doubt that

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Speaker 2: the second order effects a forced divestiture of Kicktok will

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Speaker 2: be known to the people passing this legislation, assuming it

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Speaker 2: goes through. But we'll continue to follow this, and we

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Speaker 2: made our case yesterday that there are some things to

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Speaker 2: be concerned about here.

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Speaker 4: One.

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Speaker 2: I think US based social media companies are worse for

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Speaker 2: your freedoms and liberty than anything that could find it

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Speaker 2: way to China. Also, I'm uncomfortable with the government deciding

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Speaker 2: this company is just bad because of foreign ties if

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Speaker 2: it's not a specifically national security as in like making

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Speaker 2: missiles or something. And then you have how this could

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Speaker 2: be abused on the line. So there's a lot of

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Speaker 2: things here. There's a lot of things here to keep

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Speaker 2: in mind. But X, as we know, formerly Twitter, now

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Speaker 2: it is called X by Elon Musk, the owner is

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Speaker 2: ostensibly devoted to free speech principles.

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Speaker 3: There are a couple of shows that are distributed via X.

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Speaker 2: They're not owned by X, but they're distributed by X,

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Speaker 2: most notably our friend Tucker Carlson has one, and also

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Speaker 2: and his Quomo interview.

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Speaker 3: Did we play some of the Quomo interviewed or not?

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Speaker 3: I don't think we've played it yet, have we? No,

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Speaker 3: we didn't play any We should play some Cuomo clips.

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Speaker 3: We had those from the Tucker interview. Some of them

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Speaker 3: are every played.

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Speaker 1: We played him saying that he couldn't beat up a

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Speaker 1: that that he didn't we play like that, Yeah, distracted

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Speaker 1: waited or if we talked about playing it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there was a funny exchange where uh, Chris Cuomo

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Speaker 2: was asking Tucker, why did you make fun of me

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Speaker 2: for lifting weights so much? If I was there, I

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Speaker 2: would have said, no, no, no, it wasn't making fun of

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Speaker 2: you for lifting weights. It was making fun of you

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Speaker 2: for constantly taking video of yourself lifting weights and sharing

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Speaker 2: them publicly as a fifty five year old man who

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Speaker 2: does not work in the fitness industry. You know, that

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Speaker 2: would have been the way that I would have gone

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Speaker 2: with it. But anyway, Englan sat down with not Tucker

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Speaker 2: that he's done that before, that would be interesting again.

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Speaker 2: But with Don Lemon, as Tucker used to call him

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Speaker 2: Don Lemon, formerly of CNN, and he had been a

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Speaker 2: problem there for some time. Clay, I think what really

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Speaker 2: got him finally pushed out was his women are in

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Speaker 2: their prime in their twenties and thirties comment. When he

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Speaker 2: doubled down, that was when I was I was like, oh, oh, Don, Well.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't just that he gave that opinion Buck, It

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Speaker 1: was that when pressed he said google it like, oh,

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Speaker 1: I'm a you know, I'm done my research, and I

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Speaker 1: mean to be so dumb. Maybe this is just a

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Speaker 1: gay guy like I, you know, I think he gets

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Speaker 1: a pass on a lot of stuff because he's black

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Speaker 1: and gay and that gives him two protected class aspects.

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Speaker 1: At CNN that still fired him. But to do your

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Speaker 1: research for a segment, to sit down in front of

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Speaker 1: Google and type in wen are women in their prime?

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Speaker 1: And then on Google and then do a search and

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Speaker 1: then anybody who questioned your opinion just be like Google

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Speaker 1: it is is next maybe the dumbest, most ridiculous thing

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Speaker 1: that anyone has said on CNN. I think they canceled

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Speaker 1: the Morning Show too, by the way, and there's been

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Speaker 1: a lot of ridiculous things, But for a host to

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Speaker 2: Show Elon sat down with Don Lemon at his request

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Speaker 2: and here is how so this has cut seven how

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Speaker 2: some of the exchange, it devolved, It got a little

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Speaker 2: testing play it.

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Speaker 3: Hate speech on the platform is up.

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Speaker 5: Do you believe that X and you have some responsibility

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Speaker 5: to moderate hate speech on the platform that you wouldn't

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Speaker 5: have to answer these questions from reporters about the great

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Speaker 5: replacement theory as a release, I don't have great replacement

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Speaker 5: theory as it relates to Jewish people. Do you think

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Speaker 5: that I don't have to answer questions from the quarters

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Speaker 5: And the only reason I've been this interview is because

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Speaker 5: you're on the X platform.

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Speaker 3: How you asked for it? Otherwise there would not to

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Speaker 5: So you don't think do you think that you wouldn't

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Speaker 5: get in trouble or you wouldn't be criticized for these things?

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Speaker 3: Possibly I could care less.

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is this is the same guy we're

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Speaker 2: talking about the last hour, whose company that he built

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Speaker 2: space ever and is advancing space travel in a way

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Speaker 2: that could change the future of humanity. He's sitting down

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Speaker 2: with Don Lemon, who Trump memorably on Twitter for now

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Speaker 2: X formly Twitter said was the quote dumbest man on television?

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Speaker 3: Do you remember that tweet?

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Speaker 2: Clay, Oh yeah, Don Lemon, the dumbest man on television

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Speaker 2: sits down with Elon Musk and immediately launches into.

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Speaker 3: But what about hate speech?

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Speaker 2: I think increasingly the answer to this has to be

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Speaker 2: I appreciate Elon's just like, shut up, leave me alone,

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Speaker 2: Like you asked me to sit here and now you're

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Speaker 2: annoying me. I get that, But also I think you

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Speaker 2: have to say, no, we actually can't moderate hate speech

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Speaker 2: because the left has made it so that hate speech

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Speaker 2: is everything that they don't like, and we know they've

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Speaker 2: they've abused this beyond any reason or rationale. So no, actually,

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Speaker 2: we're just going to allow people. If you don't break

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Speaker 2: the law, you're allowed to use the platform. Also, this

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Speaker 1: CNN put back on Lemon after firing him and ran

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Speaker 1: a bunch of clips from his interview with Elon Musk,

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Speaker 1: which makes it feel like this was all set up

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Speaker 1: in advance. And then Don Lemon tried to say, I

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Speaker 1: think we have this cut nine that oh, Elon is

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Speaker 1: canceling the contract, he doesn't care about free speech, and

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Speaker 1: before we even play what is cut nine here? Buck,

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Speaker 1: There's a big difference between what Elon has said, which

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Speaker 1: is you're entitled to post a video saying whatever you

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Speaker 1: want on Twitter on x there is no obligation for

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Speaker 1: me to pay. That means elon me to pay you

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Speaker 1: to share your opinions. We don't have a First Amendment

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Speaker 1: right to be paid by iHeart. iHeart could decide, you

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Speaker 1: know what, we're gonna move on. We're gonna put other

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Speaker 1: people on. Some of you may say they should do that,

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Speaker 1: if you read the people who are agree with you

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Speaker 1: about third parties right now, but we're not like it

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Speaker 1: wouldn't be a violation of our First Amendment rights. I

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Speaker 1: can still say whatever I want, You can still say

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Speaker 1: whatever you want. You're not violated in the First Amendment

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Speaker 1: by someone choosing not to pay you to share your opinion.

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Speaker 1: That's a very easy argument to destroy. Yet this is

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Speaker 1: what Don Lemon said when he went on CNN that

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Speaker 1: he's somehow a First Amendment martyr. Listen to cut nine.

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Speaker 4: That's a good question for Elon Musk. Quite frankly, what happened.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: As I said in my statement, I felt really good

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Speaker 4: about the interview, I said to him as we were

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Speaker 4: doing the interview, and it was tense at moments, But

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Speaker 4: you've been involved in tense interviews, I said to him.

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Speaker 3: I think it's good.

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Speaker 4: That people see folks like you and I who have

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Speaker 4: different worldviews come together and talk. As he says, have

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Speaker 4: free speech. Free speech is only important when someone you

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Speaker 4: don't like, or I would say, someone who doesn't have

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Speaker 4: your same point of view are someone is if they're

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Speaker 4: allowed to speak freely and to say their.

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Speaker 3: Point of view.

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Speaker 4: Apparently that doesn't matter to Elon Musk, it's just for

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Speaker 4: maybe talking points for him, a rhetoric because it doesn't

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Speaker 1: Like me, Fuck, would you pay someone who decided that

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Speaker 1: they wanted to take the money that you were giving

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Speaker 1: them and attack you as a part of the money

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Speaker 1: that you were paying them. No.

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Speaker 2: And I think that Elon Musk, in good faith, as

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Speaker 2: part of his desire to show that X is about

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Speaker 2: being a platform and a free speech entity, was willing

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Speaker 2: to extend you know, Tucker very publicly and with a

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Speaker 2: primary platform. I think that Elon said, are, well, let's

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Speaker 2: get Don Lemon on somebody of Yeah, I mean somewhat

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Speaker 2: similar media stature from the other side, and Don Lemon

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Speaker 2: this is how he responds. I mean, he effectively stabs

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Speaker 2: at a time when I think Don Lemon's career clearly

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Speaker 2: Don and this is true of many Democrats. So he's

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Speaker 2: voicing an opinion that is generally held by Democrats in

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Speaker 2: people in the news media Clay. He says, well, you know,

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Speaker 2: if Elon believes in a free speech it means the

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Speaker 2: speech that you don't like, that also means quote unquote

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Speaker 2: hate speech.

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Speaker 3: Everybody. Yeah, you know, this is we've started to lose

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Speaker 3: this principle. Even on the right a little bit.

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Speaker 2: They say, oh, but you know, but not hey, no, no, no,

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Speaker 2: no hate speech.

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Speaker 3: Well, what is what qualifies as hate speech these days?

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Speaker 3: What qualifies as white supremacy?

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Speaker 2: I mean, if you look at some of the diversity

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Speaker 2: been able to find and distribute, there are places that

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Speaker 2: say white supremacy is demanding that people arrive on time

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Speaker 2: for things. Yeah, that's that was the member of the

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Speaker 2: Rufo training where he where he exposed at it's crazy,

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Speaker 2: you know. So, no, we can't allow people to say,

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Speaker 2: oh no, you know, no, no hate speech.

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Speaker 3: Well we have to.

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Speaker 2: You're gonna have to very Look, I understand it's a

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Speaker 2: private platform. So yes, Elon can make these kinds of distinctions,

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Speaker 2: but for these distinctions to be meaningful at all, you

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Speaker 2: have to very narrowly tailor what would define true hate

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Speaker 2: speech that they would then remove from the platform in

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Speaker 2: some way. But there is really an argument you made.

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Speaker 2: I mean, ask a free speech absolutist. That's somebody who

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Speaker 2: really believes in the First Amendment. Can you say nasty, sexist,

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Speaker 2: Amendment at least from government intrusion?

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Speaker 3: So true free speech answers?

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Speaker 1: Yes, Yeah, I mean I'm a free speech absolutist. I

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Speaker 1: think you should be able to say anything. It doesn't

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Speaker 1: mean there aren't consequences for what you say, but it

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Speaker 1: doesn't mean that you should be paid to say it.

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Speaker 1: That's a very big difference, and a lot of people

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Speaker 1: don't seem to understand that. We have a lot of

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Speaker 1: writers that OutKick. We have hired a lot of them

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Speaker 1: to share their opinions. If at some point one of

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Speaker 2: From the front Lines of Truth, Clayton, Travis and Buck Sexton.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back in our number three clay Travis buck Sexton Show.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate all of you hanging out with us. We're rolling

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Speaker 2: I made the very rookie mistake a long time ago

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Speaker 1: to this audio.

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Speaker 8: Prime Minister Netanyahu has lost his way by allowing his

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Speaker 8: political survival to take the precedence over the best interests

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Speaker 8: of Israel.

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Speaker 7: He has put.

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Speaker 8: Himself in coalition with far right extremists like Minister Smotrik

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Speaker 8: and Ben Gevie, and as a result, he has been

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Speaker 8: too willing to tolerate the civilian toll in Gaza. Israel

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Speaker 8: cannot survive if it becomes a pariah. As a lifelong

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Speaker 8: supporter of Israel, it has become clear to me the

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Speaker 8: Netsa Nyahu coalition no longer fits the needs of Israel

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Speaker 8: after October seventh. The world has changed radically since then,

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Speaker 8: and the Israeli people are being stifled right now by

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Speaker 8: a governing vision that is stuck in the past.

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Speaker 3: He's exactly wrong as well.

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Speaker 2: The Israeli people have rallied around Netsan Yahoo because he

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Speaker 2: understands the nature of the threat that they are up

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Speaker 2: against and has a long history of being willing to

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Speaker 2: do what is necessary to defend the Israeli people. It

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Speaker 2: is honestly absurd, borderline delusional to start to have conversations

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Speaker 2: right now or to demand governance about a two state solution.

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Speaker 2: Put aside the fact that I don't even think that

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Speaker 2: that's possible with the current mindset of the Palestinians. The

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Speaker 2: west bank of the Gaza strip. I think we've seen that.

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Speaker 2: I think we've run that experiment and they have failed.

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Speaker 2: But more to the point, this is just the Democrats,

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Speaker 2: Clay doing what we said they were going to do

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Speaker 2: all along, which is try to have it both ways.

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Speaker 2: This is a recurring theme. Democrats to win elections have

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Speaker 2: to lie to you. Democrats to win the presidency have

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Speaker 2: to pretend they are something other than that which they are.

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Speaker 2: Look at Joe Biden, the uniter, the cuddly grandpa avuncular.

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Speaker 2: To borrow your word, Clay, I like that word. That's

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Speaker 2: a Clay word. They decide that they're going to present

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Speaker 2: him one way, and then he governs entirely another. They

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Speaker 2: do this all the time they've governed. How with regard

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Speaker 2: to the border wide open border six million plus going

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Speaker 2: to be seven million soon if it's not already, they're

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Speaker 2: illegals Underbiden, now they say, oh, we need a border

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Speaker 2: security bill. They want to have it both ways. On

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Speaker 2: the Israeli Palestinian issue. After the heinous attacks of October seventh,

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Speaker 2: the Democrats realize that they're trying to straddle different components

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Speaker 2: of their coalition. They want to have Jewish Americans think

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Speaker 2: that that the Democrat Party has their back, and they

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Speaker 2: want Muslim Americans to think the Democrat Party has their

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Speaker 2: back at the same time. But on this issue, you

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Speaker 2: actually can't have it both ways. You have to pick

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Speaker 2: a side. And so what they've done is when the

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Speaker 2: heat was really intense after October seventh politically, they pretty

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Speaker 2: much picked the side of Israel. We said it at

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Speaker 2: the time, we said, just give it time. They're gonna

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Speaker 2: they're gonna stab them in the back. They're gonna stab

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Speaker 2: the Israelis in the back, and then in Yahoo and

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Speaker 2: all the rest. And that's now the pendulum has swung

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Speaker 2: to that side of it where they're trying to trying

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Speaker 2: to make up for it.

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Speaker 3: And what they've seen is that the.

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Speaker 2: The identity politics and race based identity politics coalition of

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Speaker 2: the Democrat Party is inherently in a state of constant

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Speaker 2: tumult and fracture. You can't do this, You can't actually

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Speaker 2: have oh yeah, we have solidarity with the Muslim people

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Speaker 2: of the Middle East and solidarity with the Jewish people

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Speaker 2: in the Middle East at the same time, because those

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Speaker 2: groups won't accept that that's right.

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Speaker 1: And this is the root foundational cancer of identity politics,

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Speaker 1: which I believe is destroying the fabric of our country

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Speaker 1: because it requires you to identify people based on what

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Speaker 1: they look like, based on what their gender is, and

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Speaker 1: then decide who's in the right and who's in the

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Speaker 1: wrong based on identity. So that works when you when

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Speaker 1: you're able to say, oh, you know, who's the worst

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Speaker 1: people in the history of the world.

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Speaker 3: White men.

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Speaker 1: White men have made everything awful in this country. They're

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Speaker 1: the reason. Like they're awful, they're racist, they're sexist, their

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Speaker 1: massages like white men are evil. That is the unifying

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Speaker 1: coda of much of the Democrat Party. Even white men

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Speaker 1: who vote Democrat say white men are awful, which is

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Speaker 1: a crazy worldview to begin with. But you're judging somebody

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Speaker 1: based on their race and their gender, and I would

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Speaker 1: just submit in general, Western civilization actually a pretty good thing.

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Speaker 1: White guys in general kind of set the table for

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Speaker 1: much of the success and freedoms that we enjoy across

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Speaker 1: the world today. Greece and Rome kind of decent little

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Speaker 1: little ideas that they might have had there about republics, democracy, voting, freedom,

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Speaker 1: just tossing it out there. But Trump, as a rich

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Speaker 1: white guy, is the great Satan, So they can alle

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Speaker 1: and say, oh, Donald Trump's evil, Donald Trump's racist, Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump's sexist, he's a venal capitalist.

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Speaker 3: We hate him.

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Speaker 1: But what happens when you have two parts of the

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Speaker 1: identity politics coalition Jewish voters and Muslim voters, and you

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Speaker 1: have to pick a side. They can't do it because

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Speaker 1: their worldview doesn't allow it. And buck this is what

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Speaker 1: we've seen on all the college campuses right the college

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Speaker 1: campuses don't know how to handle the idea that the

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Speaker 1: people they see as white, which Jewish people have been like,

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Speaker 1: we're not white, we're an ethnic group. No, they see

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Speaker 1: you as white. You are the bad guy. Yet you've

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Speaker 1: been attacked in a terror attack. They don't know how

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Speaker 1: to grapple with it because of identity politics. Here's another

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Speaker 1: central issue with the identity politics melt down on the

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Speaker 1: left round all of this. It is antithetical to the

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Speaker 1: left wing worldview that there could be white people who

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Speaker 1: are oppressed. But anybody who has even the the faintest

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Speaker 1: grasp of history, I mean the faintest grasp, understands that

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Speaker 1: the Jewish people have been oppressed not for the last century,

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Speaker 1: but for millennia basically.

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Speaker 2: Now really thous of years and so how does that

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Speaker 2: factor in. What does it mean if white people can

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Speaker 2: be oppressed and in fact have a greater degree of

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Speaker 2: recent oppression the Holocaust and what happened World War Two,

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Speaker 2: and a longer duration of oppression, as we said, go

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Speaker 2: back to the enslavement of the Jewish people by the

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Speaker 2: Pharaohs and go back to biblical times. What does that

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Speaker 2: mean about this idea that white people are the only

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Speaker 2: ones who can be racist? What does it mean that

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Speaker 2: white people, or rather that non white people can't be

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Speaker 2: racist against white people. Well, clearly doesn't really make sense.

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Speaker 2: Clearly doesn't really hold up very long.

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Speaker 1: And we've got a crazy idea here on this show,

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Speaker 1: and I know most of you would subscribe to it.

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Speaker 1: I think you should judge people by things that they

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Speaker 1: don't get born with. I don't think you should judge

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Speaker 1: people based on whether they're good or bad, based on

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Speaker 1: whether they're boys or girls, based on whether they're white, Black,

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Speaker 1: Asian or Hispanic. I need you to judge people based

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Speaker 1: on what they actually do. That flies in the face

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Speaker 1: of the Identity Politics coalition and these numbers out of

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Speaker 1: Michigan that I just hit you with Buck Michigan is

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Speaker 1: if they can't win Michigan, they lose the race. That

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Speaker 1: to me is the underlying principle of why they're making

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Speaker 2: Welcome back into Clay and Buck. We're joined now by

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Speaker 2: our guest Andrew Gutman. He is a Republican candidate for

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Speaker 2: Congress from Florida's twenty second district here in Palm Beach County.

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Speaker 3: I'm actually in West Palm right now.

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Speaker 2: He's a co host of the podcast Take Back Our Schools,

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Speaker 2: and he's got a piece that got our attention in

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Speaker 2: the New York Post private K through twelve programs ditch

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Speaker 2: classics for race obsessed classes and woke activism.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for being with us, Andrew appreciate it.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 2: If you would just please tell us a little bit

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Speaker 2: of of your story how you got to this point.

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Speaker 2: You know you were a New Yorker. I mean, just

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Speaker 2: full disclosure. My prom date when I was in New

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Speaker 2: York City High school was a Breerly girl. You had

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Speaker 2: a daughter at Brierley. Things got crazy there with the wokeness.

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Speaker 2: Take us through this.

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Speaker 3: A little bit.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, it was completely unexpected. So my daughter had been

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Speaker 9: at Brierly for seven years, doing very well academically and socially,

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Speaker 9: and for people that don't know, really is considered one

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Speaker 9: of the top K through twelve schools in the country,

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Speaker 9: all girls school in.

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Speaker 7: The Upper East Side of Manhattan.

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Speaker 9: And then after the summer of twenty twenty, George Floyd

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Speaker 9: BLM everything about the school change really became what they

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Speaker 9: called an anti racist school. It was a mission change.

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Speaker 9: And what I really meant is that they abandoned academic excellence,

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Speaker 9: they abandoned free speech in the classroom, and they adopted

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Speaker 9: what is a political education and indoctrinating progressive activists, and

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Speaker 9: we tried to get other parents to speak up. That

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Speaker 9: whole school year failed. Nobody would speak up. Everyone was

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Speaker 9: too scared to do so. When we decided, after seven

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Speaker 9: years of her being there, not to re enroll her

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Speaker 9: for the next year, I said, you know what, someone's

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Speaker 9: got to do something, someone's got to try to light

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Speaker 9: a fire here. I wasn't professionally cancelable, and so I

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Speaker 9: wrote a letter and I mailed it to every family

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Speaker 9: of Brierly, never expecting.

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Speaker 7: It to be read by any other than.

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Speaker 9: The six hundred and fifty six families that I sent it.

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Speaker 7: To, and it wound up being read by millions.

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Speaker 9: It went viral, took her Carlson read it on TV,

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Speaker 9: I from the cover of the New York Post, all

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Speaker 9: over Fox News, and it helped ignite this is back

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Speaker 9: in the spring of twenty twenty one. It helped ignite

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Speaker 9: what became the Parents' movement and the fight against Wolk education.

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Speaker 1: I love that you did this, and uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: I spoke at my school board meeting and about masks.

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Speaker 3: I remember this story with Brierly.

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Speaker 1: Am I correct Megan Kelly had a daughter that was

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Speaker 1: going there too, and helped to publicize this. Maybe, so

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Speaker 1: what made you finally say I'm willing to potentially take

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Speaker 1: the social hit and be willing to speak out, because

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Speaker 1: I bet what you found was most parents actually agreed

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Speaker 1: with you privately, but a lot of them were not

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Speaker 1: willing to say what you did publicly.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, so, so I should say our masks we were

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Speaker 9: fighting with them on COVID restrictions as well. We actually

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Speaker 9: left New York City because we were getting fined five

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Speaker 9: hundred dollars every time our building saw us. Not we're

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Speaker 9: masks in an empty lobby, So we were fighting that

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Speaker 9: battle too. But you know, they tried to really tried

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Speaker 9: to get us to sign a pledge before the first

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Speaker 9: day of school that school year, not only would we

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Speaker 9: support their anti racism initiatives in the school, we will

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Speaker 9: help support them in the home. We said no, they

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Speaker 9: didn't want to let our daughter in the first day

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Speaker 9: of school. So you know, they were trying to indoctrinate

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Speaker 9: not just the kids, but the entire community. And I'll

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Speaker 9: tell you the story of when you.

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Speaker 7: Know I knew this was just unsavable.

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Speaker 9: It was my daughter at dinner one night says, guess

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Speaker 9: what we learned in school today, we learned you never

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Speaker 9: hold the door open for someone disabled because it's a microaggression.

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Speaker 9: And it wasn't even the race stuff, for the gender stuff.

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Speaker 9: And you're thinking to yourself, this is really what this

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Speaker 9: great school, the formerly great school, is teaching our kids.

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Speaker 9: This is a society they want us to live in

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Speaker 9: that you don't hold the door open for someone disabled.

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Speaker 9: And I said, you know what I mean, We've got

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Speaker 9: to find these issues.

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Speaker 7: We've got to fight back.

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Speaker 9: I knew at that point, and I, you know, confidence

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Speaker 9: saying it now that exactly what you said. More than

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Speaker 9: half of the families were very upset with what was

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Speaker 9: going on with the mission change, and I think half

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Speaker 9: of the board of trustees was very upset and not

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Speaker 9: on board.

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Speaker 7: And yet nobody.

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Speaker 9: Else would speak up. And I said, look, somebody has it.

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Speaker 9: So I just wrote this letter, never expecting it to

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Speaker 9: you know, go viral, and just was trying to light

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Speaker 9: a little fire up, really trying to give the other parents,

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Speaker 9: you know, the courage to speak up. And I said,

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Speaker 9: I'll take the hit for this, but again it wound

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Speaker 9: up helping to ignite this full national movement.

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Speaker 3: And or speaking of Andrew Gutman.

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Speaker 2: He's running for Congress in the twenty second district here

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Speaker 2: in Palm Beach County.

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Speaker 3: And I'm wondering to.

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Speaker 2: What degree were did you have other parents who wanted

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Speaker 2: to help you but felt nervous about it, versus parents

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Speaker 2: who actually believe they're just crazy woke nonsense. I mean,

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Speaker 2: really is academically considered excellent, but it's always been considered

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Speaker 2: kind of progressive, So I can't even imagine what it's

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Speaker 2: like now.

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Speaker 7: Oh, it's terrible.

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Speaker 9: Now that's the piece I just wrote for the New

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Speaker 9: York Post. But look, I think, I think again, more

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Speaker 9: than half of the families, you know, who still inferior

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Speaker 9: at least wanted a real education for the kids. And

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Speaker 9: it's probably, you know, somewhat less than half of the

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Speaker 9: families that I believe in this wol nonsense. You know,

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Speaker 9: the school had been indoctrinating the whole community for years.

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Speaker 9: I didn't really understand that when I wrote the letter.

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Speaker 9: They My wife had been on the parent association. They

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Speaker 9: had offered her about two years prior to twenty twenty

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Speaker 9: full days of anti racist training.

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Speaker 7: Now was optional. Then it became.

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Speaker 9: Mandatory because we actually had to do two mandatory anti

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Speaker 9: racism sessions that every parent had to do. But they

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Speaker 9: had been indoctrinating the community.

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Speaker 7: For a while.

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Speaker 9: But you know what I mean, parents again, afraid to

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Speaker 9: speak up, Afraid to get canceled, afraid for their kids

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Speaker 9: to get kicked out. They are addicted to the status

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Speaker 9: of these fancy, you know, elite private schools. They're addicted

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Speaker 9: to their kids getting into the Harvard Princeton Yells of

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Speaker 9: the world.

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Speaker 7: And so we just can't get parents to speak up.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, those places are overrated, as you and I know, Andrew,

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Speaker 2: but more and more parentsy to figure that out. My

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Speaker 2: wife went to University of Florida. She loved it, had

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Speaker 2: a great experience, a fantastic school. There's so many great

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Speaker 2: options that aren't these sort of the ivs and equivalents

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Speaker 2: these days.

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Speaker 3: But I want to ask you about this real quick.

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Speaker 2: It's in your New York post piece The ideological indoctrination

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Speaker 2: of children when it comes to sex education begins in kindergarten.

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Speaker 9: Oh yeah, oh yeah, And this this isn't really. This

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Speaker 9: is now in schools, public and private, and even religo

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Speaker 9: schools across the country. They introduced a new sex said

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Speaker 9: curriculum They call it the OWLS, which is a very

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Speaker 9: widely used curriculum and it absolutely starts in kindergarten. And

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Speaker 9: if you go to their website you see, I mean

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Speaker 9: this is social justice oriented. That is the mission. They

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Speaker 9: introduce gender ideology in kindergarten. They're introducing kids to pronouns

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Speaker 9: and alternative lifestyles. This is starting when our kids are

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Speaker 9: five years old, without questions.

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Speaker 3: It's crazy.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Clay, they yeah, I mean, I've got three kids.

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Speaker 1: Do you think we're winning? Like, are you seeing since

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty when you spoke out, do you think we're

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Speaker 1: winning this? Or are they just doubling down on the crazy?

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Speaker 7: They are doubling down.

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Speaker 9: You know, we are losing this, and we are losing

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Speaker 9: this very very badly. You know, we woke up in

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Speaker 9: twenty twenty. You know a lot of parents said that

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Speaker 9: joined the movement they saw what their kids were learning

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Speaker 9: on Zoom school. Again different for us. We had to

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Speaker 9: do mandatory training in this stuff. But you know, the

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Speaker 9: entire K through twelve education system as well as the

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Speaker 9: universities have been taken over by this ideology. And frankly,

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Speaker 9: that's you know, that's the reason I'm running for Congress.

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Speaker 9: And it isn't even just in schools. This, you know,

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Speaker 9: will progressive, leftist, social justice ideology, whatever you want to

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Speaker 9: call it, has, I believe, taken over nearly every institution

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Speaker 9: of this country. And this is fundamentally a rejection of

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Speaker 9: America's founding value. Is a rejection of free speech, of

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Speaker 9: free markets and capitalism, of individual rights and meritocracy in

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Speaker 9: favor of identity rights, of the idea of objectivity that

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Speaker 9: there is right and wrong truth in the world, to

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Speaker 9: biological sexes. And this is what is taken over again,

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Speaker 9: not just K through twelve education, but everything.

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Speaker 7: We are losing.

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Speaker 9: I don't think we've lost yet, and we need good

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Speaker 9: people to, you know, to step up and fight this

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Speaker 9: battle and try to reclaim these values and take back

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Speaker 9: these institutions.

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Speaker 3: But go ahead, I'm just.

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Speaker 1: Going to say, tell us about the district that you're

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Speaker 1: running in.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, it is.

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Speaker 9: I think I'm biased, obviously. It is the most interesting

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Speaker 9: congressional district in the country. It's all in Palm Beach County.

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Speaker 9: Marlago is in the district. Almost every Republican donor, big

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Speaker 9: Republican donor.

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Speaker 7: Has a house in the district.

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Speaker 9: Eighty is one of the only districts in the country,

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Speaker 9: maybe the only that is an active transition from blue

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Speaker 9: to red. It had been considered a very safe Democratic

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Speaker 9: district with a very long time entrenched, very very progressive incumbent,

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Speaker 9: and over the last three years that data has changed

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Speaker 9: dramatically of people like myself moving down from New York.

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Speaker 9: Everyone was worried about us bringing, you know, lefty politics down.

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Speaker 9: It's been exactly the opposite to Stantus I Pombeach County

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Speaker 9: when he won reelection in twenty twenty two, first time

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Speaker 9: a Republican governor had won the county in almost forty years.

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Speaker 9: And we're seeing dramatically changing voter demographics in the district.

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Speaker 9: And we're also seeing this is also likely the most

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Speaker 9: Jewish district in the country, and we're seeing very strong

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Speaker 9: evidence of a post October seventh Jewish realignment in the data.

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Speaker 9: It's really really interesting to see.

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Speaker 1: So this is a district that you are trying to

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Speaker 1: flip from blue to red.

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Speaker 7: Correct.

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Speaker 3: What's your congressional website?

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Speaker 9: Andrewretional website is Andrew Gutman dot com. One T two

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Speaker 9: ends T.

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Speaker 7: M A N N.

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Speaker 9: You can read a lot more about me and the issues.

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Speaker 9: My story, the really letter is on there. But this

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Speaker 9: this is a district that is winnable for the first time,

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Speaker 9: and we are getting enormous amount of tractions and very

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Speaker 9: well fundraising done very well getting the message out that

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Speaker 9: this is a winnable district and we all know how

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Speaker 9: tight the house race is going to be in November

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Speaker 9: twenty twenty four. This is a district that we can

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Speaker 9: flip and it will have enormous impact nationally if we

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Speaker 9: can do that, no doubt.

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Speaker 1: Andrew Gutman and trying to flip from blue to red

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Speaker 1: in the Palm Beach area. Go check it out down

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Speaker 7: Yeah, no, thanks very much for having me on.

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Speaker 1: South Florida. Outside of Judge Eileen Cannon's courtroom is our

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Speaker 1: friend Julie Kelly, who is in her car. Because you

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Speaker 1: is basically every cell phone. Now, Julie, we appreciate you

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Speaker 1: going outside of the courtroom. It sounds like there's been

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Speaker 1: some fireworks. And I want to ask you about this

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Speaker 1: right off the top, because I saw your tweet and

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Speaker 1: we've talked about it a little bit on the show.

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Speaker 1: It sounds like to you that Judge Eileen Cannon is

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Speaker 1: potentially expressing some agreement with the idea that Trump is

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Speaker 1: being selectively prosecuted for classified documents based on what has

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Speaker 1: about Joe Biden's own classified documents. Explain, even if it's

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Speaker 1: not been a direct commentary on that, what you are

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Speaker 1: seeing that makes you believe that correct, So it was.

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Speaker 10: Not a subtle suggestion by Judge Cannon on numerous occasions

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Speaker 10: asking both the defense Donald Trump and his attorney and

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Speaker 10: also a Special Council Jacksmith's team about historical president for

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Speaker 10: national defense information documents. And she raised the term several times,

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Speaker 10: and she just did it again this afternoon. That was

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Speaker 10: the morning session. I just came out after the afternoon

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Speaker 10: session is ongoing and calling this, you know, arbitrarily decided

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Speaker 10: arbitrarily prosecute it. And so just to back up what

878
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Speaker 10: hearing on today is two motions to dismissed the case.

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Speaker 10: One based on the unconstitutional vageness of the Espionage Act,

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Speaker 10: which represents thirty two counts against Donald Trump, and then

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Speaker 10: also protections under the Presidential Records Act. As you guys

882
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Speaker 10: know and your listeners know, that was how the origin

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Speaker 10: of this full investigation and then prosecution. I don't think

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Speaker 10: she's going to dismiss the case on either one, but

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Speaker 10: the feeling was she was using this hearing to sort

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Speaker 10: of flesh out how this is so novel and unprecedented,

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Speaker 10: especially in light of Robert Hurst's report and then of

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Speaker 10: course his testimony this past Tuesday. So Donald Trump shortly

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Speaker 10: will be filing a motion to dismiss based on selective

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Speaker 10: and vindictive on prosecution. He hasn't yet, but he told

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Speaker 10: the court last month that that will be what he's doing.

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Speaker 10: And I'm sure they are going to be pulling comments

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Speaker 10: and quotes from Robert hurst testimony Tuesday before the House

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Speaker 10: Judiciary Committee about the wilful retention by Joe Biden Wilf

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Speaker 10: tension of classified documents, including national defense information at his

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Speaker 10: various residents and pen Biden Center four years, knowing that

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Speaker 10: he had it, sharing it with a ghost writer, but

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Speaker 10: then declining to bring charges. So that's going to be

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Speaker 10: the next big clash. I believe in these proceedings.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean trulye Just to a lay person, it

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Speaker 2: seems like if there is such a thing, if it's

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Speaker 2: possible to mount any defense based upon selective prosecution. You

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Speaker 2: have two guys running for president, both are accused of

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Speaker 2: having classified documents that they are not supposed to have.

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Speaker 2: Put aside some of the more specific aspects of that

906
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Speaker 2: Trump was president, Biden was not, et cetera. But Biden

907
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Speaker 2: was effectively excused by her in this case because he says,

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Speaker 2: the guy's.

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Speaker 3: Old and he didn't mean it.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, Donald Trump didn't mean it either. It

911
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Speaker 2: just feels like, how could they allow this to happen? Right,

912
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Speaker 2: And you've got both presidents. I think that they'd be

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Speaker 2: on such stronger groans in their minds, at least with

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Speaker 2: this case against Trump, if we hadn't just seen that

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Speaker 2: Joe Biden had classified in seven different places.

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Speaker 10: That is exactly right, and it was really interesting to

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Speaker 10: watch Judge Cannon emphasize and really confront the government to say, well,

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Speaker 10: your indictment about wilful retention, the date of that is

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Speaker 10: January twentieth of twenty twenty one. So basically she got

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Speaker 10: the government Jacksmith's team to concede that, yes, the moments

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Speaker 10: that a president leaves office and he takes with him

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Speaker 10: documents that NEHRA, the Archives or DOJ or whoever considers

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Speaker 10: presidential records classified materials, national defense information, the minute he

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Speaker 10: leaves office, he is wilfully violating the Espionage Act. And

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Speaker 10: that was really a key moment for me because it

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Speaker 10: meant you really don't have to prove wilfulness unless you

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Speaker 10: can demonstrate that while he was still president, he was

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Speaker 10: hoarding these materials boxes and telling people to send them

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Speaker 10: tomorrow ago. So what my takeaway was she was saying

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Speaker 10: whether Joe Biden knew he was doing it or not,

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Speaker 10: the fact that when he left office in January twenty seventeen,

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Speaker 10: he took with him troves of classified material that he

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Speaker 10: knew he was not supposed to have. Some of it

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Speaker 10: was sent to the Pen Biden Center, some of it

935
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Speaker 10: was at a rental house in Virginia for two years,

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Speaker 10: then his home in Delaware, in a garage, in an office,

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Speaker 10: laying all over the place. It really kind of distracted

938
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Speaker 10: or took away from the wilfulness element of these charges.

939
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Speaker 10: What the government is saying the minute you leave office,

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Speaker 10: whether you're president, vice president, whoever, and you have these

941
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Speaker 10: materials and boxes, which by the way, you didn't pack.

942
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Speaker 10: Of course Tunnald Trump didn't pack them, either did Joe Biden.

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Speaker 10: And you take them. That represents the wilful retention of

944
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Speaker 10: national defense information, and you are violating the Espionage Act.

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Speaker 10: So I think that sort of tipped off that that

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Speaker 10: be part of if when she is considering and holding

947
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Speaker 10: a hearing un selective ndictive prosecution, that that is going

948
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Speaker 10: to be a key question that she will want answered.

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Speaker 1: Julie, you also dropped what I think is really a

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Speaker 1: significant part of all of these cases, and I have

951
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Speaker 1: not seen it that receive the attention that I think

952
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Speaker 1: it deserves.

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Speaker 3: General rule is.

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Speaker 1: The Department of Justice doesn't want to step itself into

955
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Speaker 1: a political process, and so they tend to not be

956
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Speaker 1: involved with cases that are occurring in the fall surrounding

957
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Speaker 1: a election, even maybe making the decision to do the

958
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Speaker 1: mar A Lago raid in the summer of twenty twenty two,

959
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Speaker 1: if I remember, because they didn't want to do it

960
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Speaker 1: in the fall. Okay, just bring that up for this reason.

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Speaker 1: Jack Smith and his federal federal prosecutors, according to your reporting, again,

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Speaker 1: I think this is a really big deal. They said, oh,

963
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Speaker 1: that Department of Justice rule that we generally a scree

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Speaker 1: it only would apply to new indictments. It wouldn't apply

965
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Speaker 1: to actual trials. I read that argument and it almost

966
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Speaker 1: made my brain want to explode, because if you're concerned

967
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Speaker 1: about the political impacts of indictments, the idea that you

968
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Speaker 1: could actually have a trial and that they would try

969
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Speaker 1: and argue, oh no, this would be less significant. We

970
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Speaker 1: just couldn't bring a new indictment in the fall. We

971
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Speaker 1: could have a trial. Even people who are left wing

972
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Speaker 1: have to hear that argument and think, boy, this is

973
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Speaker 1: a load of manure. That is even for the Jack

974
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Speaker 1: Smith prosecution team, a different level of manure, right. I Mean,

975
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Speaker 1: it's crazy to me that that could be their argument.

976
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Speaker 1: That they made it down in South Florida.

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Speaker 10: Not only did Jack Smith make this argument, Attorney General

978
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Speaker 10: Merrick Garland stated very clearly in an interview a few

979
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Speaker 10: months ago, he considers both of these matters, the classified

980
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Speaker 10: documents case here in Southern Florida the January sixth, twenty

981
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Speaker 10: twenty election interference case now on hold in Washington. He

982
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Speaker 10: considers both of those matters out of the hands of

983
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Speaker 10: the Department of Justice. They are now in the federal

984
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Speaker 10: court system. The judges are responsible for setting the trial

985
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Speaker 10: dates and handling all the pre trial motions and jury

986
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Speaker 10: selection that the DOJ as soon as it got to

987
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Speaker 10: the judges, as soon as they started to set trial

988
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Speaker 10: dates and pre trial schedules. It now is in the

989
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Speaker 10: hands of the courts. So that's what I keep saying,

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Speaker 10: you guys, We've talked about this for years now. No

991
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Speaker 10: one should be surprised if the Supreme Court comes back

992
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Speaker 10: and upholds lower court rulings that Donald Trump is not

993
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Speaker 10: immune from prosecution, that he will stand trial in Washington

994
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Speaker 10: in early September, late September. We know now that the

995
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Speaker 10: DOJ will not stop it. They've already greenlighted it. And

996
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Speaker 10: we know that Judge Tanya ta Ken, if this is

997
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Speaker 10: put before her late September early October, she has clearly

998
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Speaker 10: said that the election calendar and politics plays no role

999
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Speaker 10: in her courtroom. She's going to pretend none of this

1000
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Speaker 10: is even happening. So it was not just a stark

1001
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Speaker 10: comment made by, of course the Special Council book Marrick

1002
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:19,239
Speaker 10: Garland himself, which I think is why they timed the

1003
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Speaker 10: indictments when they did so. They brought the class by

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Speaker 10: Documents case June a superseding indictment in July twenty twenty three,

1005
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Speaker 10: and a few weeks later August first, the January sixth indictment.

1006
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Speaker 10: So they stacked these up with the timing where it

1007
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Speaker 10: would go in the hands of the judges. They knew

1008
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Speaker 10: they would be able to pre trial the activity headed

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Speaker 10: up to the Supreme Court on a few questions, and

1010
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Speaker 10: that the DOJ could then come back and say, ooh sorry,

1011
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:46,839
Speaker 10: it's out of our hands when these go to trial.

1012
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Speaker 10: Doesn't matter if people are voting across the country and

1013
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:51,960
Speaker 10: Donald Trump is on trial in Washington or southern Florida.

1014
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Speaker 10: Nothing we can do about it.

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Speaker 3: Folks, It's crazy. Julie Kelly.

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Speaker 2: Everybody declassified with Julie Kelly is her substack. Go subscribe

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Speaker 2: to it, Julie. We got more to talk about as

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Speaker 2: this goes along. Thanks for being with.

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