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Speaker 2: author who has written a book called super Bowl Monday,

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Speaker 2: which talks about, you know, going from the Persian Golf

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Speaker 2: to bring you up with the Super Bowl Monday book, right,

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Speaker 2: correct me if I'm wrong, Adam Lazarus the author. So far,

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Speaker 2: so good. Right, So, so to preface it, you wrote

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Speaker 2: And then follows wow, history really you know, first of

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Speaker 2: all baseball seasons upon us. It's springtime and we're going

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Speaker 2: think you know. Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 3: Well, thank you so much for having me. I'm glad

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Speaker 2: Yes, so am I so far? So am I right?

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Speaker 2: So far? And everything I've said.

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Speaker 3: A couple minor things, very minor. Fix the super Bowl Monday.

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Speaker 3: Book was about sort of the Persian golf War, the

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Speaker 3: And about John Glenn. He did shoot down three Soviet

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Speaker 2: Again. Now, Ted Williams was playing baseball, right, wasn't he

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Speaker 3: Most people consider him the greatest hitter of all time.

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Speaker 3: right in He started in nineteen thirty nine. By nineteen

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Speaker 2: That's awesome. Did he ever get a World Series?

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Speaker 3: he never got back to another World Series. It's kind

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Speaker 2: So he kind of was involved in the curse right

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Speaker 2: let's flip the coin over to John Glenn, right, United

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Speaker 2: States senator for many years. To see, my brother was

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Speaker 2: born in seventy four. I think John Glenn became a

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Speaker 2: What path were you in school where you're like, I'm

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Speaker 3: think what he said years later was that became one

436
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Speaker 3: of the reason became a Democrat, was that he believed

437
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Speaker 3: that Franklin Roosevelt had helped all this country out of

438
00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:43,199
Speaker 3: the depression and Green Deal and everything saved his family.

439
00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:49,360
Speaker 3: So yeah, again, I just I try not to necessarily,

440
00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:51,879
Speaker 3: you know, say how great people were, and when I'm

441
00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:53,320
Speaker 3: doing a book about them that I don't want to

442
00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:56,000
Speaker 3: sound like a cheerwriter for them. Because John Glenn had

443
00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:58,399
Speaker 3: his flaws. He certainly had a U boss and his

444
00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:03,520
Speaker 3: words he was exact. But I think you again, we

445
00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:06,560
Speaker 3: could ben America would benefit if there were ten or

446
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Speaker 3: fifteen more John Glenn's in the federal government.

447
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know really that had that same kind of like,

448
00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:14,560
Speaker 2: let's just do the right thing. Yeah.

449
00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:17,440
Speaker 3: I think he put he put policy he believed in

450
00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:21,640
Speaker 3: the United States, not Democrat, Republican or any of those

451
00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:23,879
Speaker 3: kinds of issues. I think he always did.

452
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Speaker 2: What was I get a lot of big dogs on

453
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Speaker 2: here that have a lot of stars on their shoulders

454
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Speaker 2: that I talked to and I asked him, you know,

455
00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:32,200
Speaker 2: you transition from like one president to another, right as

456
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Speaker 2: the chief or of staff, et cetera. It's like, how'd

457
00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:36,640
Speaker 2: you do that? And they usually came back. They usually

458
00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:39,320
Speaker 2: come back to me like this rat. It doesn't matter

459
00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:43,600
Speaker 2: my political affiliation because it says US Army, US Marine,

460
00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:47,840
Speaker 2: US Coast Guard, US Navy on our stuff in the military.

461
00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:51,080
Speaker 2: So we understand what we're doing because it's the US.

462
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Speaker 2: That's what he said. And I think John Glenn probably

463
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Speaker 2: had that same taste. You know, it's like the US, right,

464
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Speaker 2: what's better? What's the best for the the US, not

465
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Speaker 2: my pocketbook, you know what.

466
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Speaker 3: I think you're absolutely right. And as I say in

467
00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:09,879
Speaker 3: the book, John Glynne I think was a tremendous statesman.

468
00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:13,960
Speaker 3: He was great as a senator and a figure for America.

469
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Speaker 3: He wasn't a particularly great politician. It's one of the

470
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Speaker 3: reasons why I don't think he ever really got close

471
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Speaker 3: to being president. And he was a World War Two

472
00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:24,879
Speaker 3: and Korean War astronaut hero, and that's I think one

473
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Speaker 3: of the reasons. It helped get him elected four times

474
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Speaker 3: as a senator. But I think that was one of

475
00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:33,080
Speaker 3: the reasons why he wasn't a great politician was because

476
00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:36,960
Speaker 3: he didn't always play partisan politics. He believes in the

477
00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:39,000
Speaker 3: United States, and there were things he was willing to

478
00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:42,560
Speaker 3: work for if he thought had benefited the country instead

479
00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:46,440
Speaker 3: of benefiting the Democrats or this committee or his own

480
00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:49,080
Speaker 3: personal political aspirations.

481
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Speaker 2: Right right, he was. He's willing to do the right thing.

482
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, I think that's I think that was almost

483
00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:58,040
Speaker 3: always the case to John Glynn.

484
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Speaker 2: Yes, and I love that. And I'm not trying to

485
00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:01,280
Speaker 2: put him in some type, but he would be on

486
00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:05,440
Speaker 2: my Mount Rushmore of I would say selfless Americans for sure,

487
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:07,400
Speaker 2: now that we have a Mount Rushmore in our brains,

488
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:09,240
Speaker 2: of who that would be. And I want my listener

489
00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:12,280
Speaker 2: to think, who would you put on a mount Rushmore

490
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:15,520
Speaker 2: of selfless Americans? You know, I also want to say,

491
00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:20,800
Speaker 2: like John McCain, John McCain, Marine Corps, Navy pilot, pow

492
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:24,280
Speaker 2: selflessly served, ram tried to become president, always just tried

493
00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:27,200
Speaker 2: to do the right thing, you know, just selflessly served.

494
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:31,880
Speaker 2: Now aside from the politics, now, let's get back to baseball.

495
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:36,440
Speaker 2: Sound good. So Ted Williams lived a long life, but

496
00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:39,000
Speaker 2: he lived kind of like an extravagant lifestyle. Didn't he

497
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Speaker 2: as his later years in life?

498
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Speaker 3: I wouldn't say he lives in an extravaging lifestyle. I know,

499
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:49,760
Speaker 3: if you're trying to think about it, maybe it's untimely demise.

500
00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:52,400
Speaker 3: Is the troubles at the end of his life. Yeah,

501
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:54,679
Speaker 3: I don't really think that had anything to do with finances.

502
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:56,000
Speaker 3: He didn't live.

503
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Speaker 2: I don't think he lived collected. Is that the Lord

504
00:24:59,359 --> 00:24:59,720
Speaker 2: I'm living?

505
00:24:59,720 --> 00:24:59,960
Speaker 3: Sorry?

506
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:02,480
Speaker 2: Is it eclectic? Is that the word is?

507
00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:02,600
Speaker 3: He?

508
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:03,440
Speaker 2: Was he ecolectic?

509
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:03,600
Speaker 3: Like?

510
00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:07,040
Speaker 2: Did he? Isn't he still? Like in Priirostasis?

511
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 3: Yeah? So that was an unfortunate episode that I think

512
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,680
Speaker 3: had to do with those of you who don't unfamiliar

513
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:19,280
Speaker 3: with it. When he died, his body was frozen cause

514
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:23,240
Speaker 3: his children, two of his children, believed that and maybe

515
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:25,640
Speaker 3: one day he could be reanimated and brought back to life.

516
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:29,280
Speaker 3: And it's frankly, it's not something I really wanted to

517
00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:31,520
Speaker 3: cover in the book because it's not relevant to the

518
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:35,320
Speaker 3: Ted Williams shown Glenn friendship, except for the fact that

519
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 3: one the only the third child, the oldest child of

520
00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:41,119
Speaker 3: the family, was very much against this and one of

521
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:45,639
Speaker 3: the people she publicly lobbied to come help her in

522
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:50,160
Speaker 3: her quest to stop this was John Glenn. She said,

523
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:53,480
Speaker 3: you know John Glenn. Uh. She went on TV and

524
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:57,920
Speaker 3: she said, John Glenn, my daddy was your wingman during

525
00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:00,919
Speaker 3: the Korean War. He needs you to be his wingman

526
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:04,840
Speaker 3: now and stop this cryogenic freezing business. And it was

527
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:08,800
Speaker 3: a very ugly family dirty laundry being aired through the public.

528
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:12,720
Speaker 3: And my take on it has always been there was

529
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:17,960
Speaker 3: some deception and some uneasiness about what exactly true was

530
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,240
Speaker 3: the truth, But I think part of it had to

531
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:22,440
Speaker 3: do with Ted Williams did not have a very good

532
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:24,560
Speaker 3: relationship with his children for the most part of their

533
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:27,560
Speaker 3: lives and his life. He had three wives, we all divorced,

534
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:30,879
Speaker 3: and he didn't, you know, he wasn't the stay at

535
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 3: home dad who was always there for his children. And

536
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:36,560
Speaker 3: I think part of it he probably had some guilt

537
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 3: over how things went towards the end of his life,

538
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:41,840
Speaker 3: and his children sort of persuaded him two of his

539
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 3: children's or persuaded him to do this fright cryogenic freezing,

540
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,280
Speaker 3: that they were going to be frozen two so that

541
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:50,200
Speaker 3: at someday maybe we could all be brought back to

542
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:53,160
Speaker 3: life and together. And that was one of the interpretations.

543
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:56,160
Speaker 3: One of his friends and doctors at the time told

544
00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:59,280
Speaker 3: me was basically like, yeah, sure, I'll do it. Maybe

545
00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:01,159
Speaker 3: we will get come back together and we can have

546
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 3: a good life together, even though we didn't have a

547
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 3: great life for the past thirty or forty years. But

548
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 3: it was a sort of hopeful maybe one day we

549
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 3: can all come back thing. And again, it was, as

550
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 3: I've said in the book, I think it's a sad

551
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:17,440
Speaker 3: ending that it all happened, but it's even worse that

552
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:20,120
Speaker 3: it was all happening through the media and the newspapers

553
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:23,720
Speaker 3: and tabloids and people were making crude jokes about Ted

554
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:27,720
Speaker 3: Williams frozen head and things like that, and it's just

555
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 3: kind of an ugly thing. I didn't. Yeah, I went

556
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:33,440
Speaker 3: to dinner with a friend of Ted Williams a couple

557
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 3: when I was writing the book. He was a very

558
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 3: nice guy. He's an older gentleman. He's sort of was

559
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 3: a very high ranking general in the Marine Corps. Actually

560
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:44,000
Speaker 3: he was friends with Ted Williams, and he was a

561
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 3: huge baseball fan and he was very very kind and grateful,

562
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 3: great help to me on the book, and I appreciated

563
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:51,920
Speaker 3: him so much. And we went to dinner, and he

564
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 3: knew the owner of the restaurant, and he said, hey,

565
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:57,200
Speaker 3: let's say hi to the owner.

566
00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:57,520
Speaker 2: I know him.

567
00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:00,159
Speaker 3: I'll tell him about you, what you're doing. And he

568
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 3: totally he met. We shook the owner's hand and I said, oh,

569
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:05,160
Speaker 3: it was very nice to meet you. And he said

570
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 3: to him, but this is my friend Adam. He's writing

571
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:09,239
Speaker 3: a book on Ted Williams and John Glenn and then

572
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 3: there are heroes of mine and it's I'm you know,

573
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:14,360
Speaker 3: I'm helping him out. And the owner of the restaurant.

574
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 3: The first thing you just said was did they really

575
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:20,399
Speaker 3: freeze his head? And I was like, I felt horrible

576
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:23,159
Speaker 3: because his TEDI his friend, was right there. But it

577
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 3: was also like that kind of summed up how a

578
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 3: lot of people remember Ted Williams, right, And it's a

579
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:31,399
Speaker 3: shame to me given not just his baseball career, but

580
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 3: the fact that he served in two wars, one of

581
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:37,120
Speaker 3: which he flew thirty nine combat missions in over communist

582
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 3: North Korea.

583
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 2: So yeah, exactly nineteen years as a baseball player too,

584
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 2: I think, right, he played like nineteen seasons, right, that's

585
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 2: you know, spring training, you know, I get it. You know,

586
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:47,720
Speaker 2: he's got a good old cigar in his mouth. He's

587
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 2: a pro athlete. Yeah, Okay. When I was young and

588
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 2: I was sixteen, I had aspirations of professional baseball. I

589
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 2: wanted to be a pro ball I could play, I

590
00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,720
Speaker 2: could hit the ball, I hit fastballs. That's the life

591
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 2: that you think of. So you know, get at it.

592
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 2: Holy cow. Now they got like, you know, the Dodgers

593
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 2: are paying seven hundred million dollars to their players. Holy cow.

594
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 2: But he did crack one out of the park yesterday,

595
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 2: But geez, where's that.

596
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 3: Money's making about one hundred thousand dollars a year, which

597
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 3: was outrageous, outrageable back then.

598
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 2: Yes, so much money for a ball player to make,

599
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 2: and you know, like that's big money.

600
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,720
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, I mean, you know what the the worst

601
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 3: part is. I mean, it all gets passed down to

602
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 3: the fans who have it now buy seventeen dollars beers

603
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 3: and yeah, one hundred and eight dollars tickets and sixty

604
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 3: five dollars for parking. It's it's it's all, it's all

605
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 3: kind of out of whack.

606
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 2: How does the kid from Sandlot try to get in

607
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 2: to watch his favorite player, you know, like peek through

608
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 2: the fence, to try to see the Cubs play or something,

609
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 2: you know, or someone at the green wall has a

610
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 2: hole he can look through in Boston. You know, I

611
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 2: love baseball. When and when you were coming on and

612
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 2: when you're introduced, it's like it's baseball season. Rad we

613
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 2: should have Adam on. I was like, boom, let's go, dude.

614
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 2: I love it. So as a sports writer, are you

615
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 2: writing about baseball?

616
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 3: My next book is not about baseball, though, I'm going

617
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 3: to keep that under wraps what the next book's about

618
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 3: because it hasn't quite gotten off the ground yet to

619
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 3: use a military aviation front. But you know what, I

620
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 3: do foresee another baseball book down the road. Nice it's

621
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 3: or another definitely another sports book, but another baseball book.

622
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 3: It is certainly possibility, especially since you know, even with

623
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 3: this book, you know, baseball is kind of romanticized more

624
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 3: than I think any other American sport. And that's one

625
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:38,640
Speaker 3: of the reasons why I feel like I'll come back

626
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 3: to it. Even in this book, there's like, there's really

627
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 3: only like fifteen pages of baseball in it, but I

628
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 3: loved writing those pages covering the history what Ted Williams did,

629
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 3: particularly one year where he was thirty nine years old

630
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 3: and he led the league in batting. It's I foresee

631
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 3: eventually coming back to baseball.

632
00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, he had like a four hundred batting average. I

633
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 2: think he had like a a three something.

634
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 3: He's the last man to hit four hundred. He hit

635
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 3: four oh six and nineteen forty one, and then sixteen

636
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 3: years later, at the age of thirty nine he almost

637
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 3: hit four hundred again. He hit three eighty eight. So

638
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 3: that's one of the reasons why people.

639
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 2: What do you think the average fastball speed was then?

640
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 2: I'm just curious what you think.

641
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:21,480
Speaker 3: Oh, you know, I don't. I don't think it was

642
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:25,240
Speaker 3: one hundred. I think it was probably mid nineties. I

643
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 3: think someone said, I'm a big fan of the Ken

644
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 3: Burns Baseball series that was on PBS in the nineties.

645
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 3: I think someone said back then that it's not how

646
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 3: fast the pitchers are relative from one era to the next,

647
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 3: it's more who is the fastest of each era. And

648
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 3: I think if you put Ted Williams in today's playing

649
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 3: not if you transported him using a time machine, but

650
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 3: if Ted Williams grew up in this age, I think

651
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 3: he would still be the best hitter in baseball. If

652
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 3: he had worked, you know, he had trained three hundred

653
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 3: and sixty five days a year instead of four months

654
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 3: fishing in Florida and in the offseat. If he was

655
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 3: had access to you know, the kind of weight training

656
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 3: programs they have today, if he had access to ban

657
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 3: engages and all those things, I think Ted Williams would

658
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 3: still be the best hit in.

659
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 2: Baseball, right exactly. If Randy Johnson was who he had

660
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 2: a face off, he'd be trained to probably face off

661
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 2: against Randy Johnson, right. You know, as simple as that

662
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 2: that you know, you're you're surrounded by what you got

663
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 2: to train against. I get that one hundred percent, right,

664
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 2: And then it just evolves, you know, we just get

665
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 2: more and more sports doctors that say, hey, work your

666
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 2: tendon this way, you know, and just more science involved

667
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 2: in you know. Then there's Moneyball. It's like, hey we

668
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 2: just trade your penya wait what Yeah, just get on

669
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 2: base Love that movie, bro. I just have to say,

670
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 2: I know, has it's just baseball. It's just a different take.

671
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 2: It's a different angle, and I love that. I look

672
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 2: forward to anything you write. And I'm going to tell you,

673
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 2: are you looking at like transitioning this into some type

674
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 2: of like movie or TV show.

675
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 3: Well if that, if I had the power or authority

676
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 3: to do that, sure, I have not heard anything on

677
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 3: that front yet. It is I mean, I do think

678
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 3: it's kind of a story that lends itself to a

679
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 3: Hollywood screenplay. Hollywood, you know, I think adaptation. Yes, yeah,

680
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 3: I mean, well, you know I've said this before because

681
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 3: they're from Boston. Ted Williams was the Boston baseball history example,

682
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 3: I feel like Ted Williams and John Glenn should be

683
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 3: played by Matt Damon and Ben Affleck. But so maybe

684
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 3: one day, maybe they'll come across this and option it.

685
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 3: I do think it's the kind of story that you know,

686
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 3: friendship and politics and war and space. I think it

687
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 3: lends itself to that.

688
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 2: I do know that.

689
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 3: I feel like if it became a movie, I would

690
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 3: watch it with grit, my teeth, grit the entire time

691
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 3: because they Hollywood it. You know, it changed this fact,

692
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 3: changed this neck. But I guess if I saw my

693
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 3: name on the big screen and as as adapted from

694
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 3: Adam Lazaru's books, I'd be okay with that.

695
00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so too. It'd be cool if it

696
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 2: was a series too, because check it can follow along

697
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 2: different episodes, and then it could keep going along and

698
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 2: then they you know, today's day and age, everybody can

699
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 2: just binge the eight or ten twelve episodes in one night.

700
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 2: But still, I think that would be kind of cool

701
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 2: because then you see, you know, like you said, you

702
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 2: see the characters doing other things continually. Yeah, that'd be cool.

703
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 2: I think anything that you write, you seem like you

704
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:24,720
Speaker 2: have just a really cool demeanor and just you respond

705
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 2: really well. And I think that you probably write just

706
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 2: as well. So it'd be cool to watch any of

707
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 2: your movies, bro, or read any of your books.

708
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 3: I agree with you. Let's get Peacock and Paramount Plus

709
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:37,400
Speaker 3: and Netflix all on board with that.

710
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 2: Agreed. Yes, And so to my favorite executives at those

711
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 2: places that watch this, you know what to do now, Okay,

712
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 2: just give them a call or just hit me up,

713
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:48,800
Speaker 2: text to me. It's cool, no problem, Yeah, I'll be

714
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:51,760
Speaker 2: I'll be in mission controlled. Don't worry about the braids

715
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 2: in my beard. It's totally period.

716
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what. I have been asked by people

717
00:34:56,680 --> 00:35:00,360
Speaker 3: if you know if it should be a move or

718
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 3: have you heard anything about it being a movie? And

719
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 3: I always tell him when I told you but then

720
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 3: I add, but like, if it is a movie, I

721
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 3: want to be the like Pilot number seven in the

722
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:15,919
Speaker 3: background of some like meeting, you know, some officers mess

723
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 3: or officer club like scene where they're partying. I just

724
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:21,880
Speaker 3: want to be in the background as an officer, like

725
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 3: drinking a beer or something. That's all I want.

726
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 2: You would see the movie Top Gun, Yeah, you know

727
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 2: the part where he goes to meet Charlie in the

728
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 2: bar and like, she's like, I'm waiting for a friend.

729
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:35,319
Speaker 2: So I interviewed a guy who was at Top Gun,

730
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:36,920
Speaker 2: who was a part of the movie of Top Gun,

731
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 2: and he told me, in that scene, the guy that

732
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 2: she's waiting for is actually the Top Gun instructor of

733
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 2: Top Gun. Oh really yes, and so which is like

734
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 2: I'm waiting for my friends over here, and she goes

735
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 2: and sits down with the guy and he's like, oh man,

736
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:49,840
Speaker 2: I'm getting dissed.

737
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 3: You know you got to you got to reward someone

738
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:53,320
Speaker 3: with something like that.

739
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 2: That's the cameo, dude, that's the cameo of it.

740
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,320
Speaker 3: I want, or I could be in I got I

741
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:03,440
Speaker 3: guess I could like someone in the background of a

742
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 3: scene where John Glenn's funeral was going on.

743
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 2: Look at Tarantinos at all his flicks, you know, in

744
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 2: some way or somehow, whether you know he knows how

745
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 2: to make a couple of coffee. Yeah, exactly, you know

746
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:14,240
Speaker 2: I cannot.

747
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 3: That's my one bargaining point. I'm I'll take one dollar

748
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:21,279
Speaker 3: for the right now. It's just kidding. No, I love it.

749
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:22,800
Speaker 2: I love it, and you should. You should have that

750
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 2: in your write up. It's like, look, I'm in it

751
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 2: as pilot number seven, and pilot number seven lives by.

752
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 3: The way, Yeah, or I could land to be heroic ending.

753
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:33,840
Speaker 2: Oh man. I went off for this movie and it

754
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:35,839
Speaker 2: was John the Baptist was the character, and I said,

755
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 2: I'm cool with getting my head cut off and served

756
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:39,360
Speaker 2: on a platter. Do you know many people would realize

757
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 2: that that was me? There you go, it's like, all right,

758
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:49,400
Speaker 2: all right, all right, no, that's great. Well, so you

759
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:51,279
Speaker 2: got a book coming out, there's something else, and you're

760
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 2: not going to drop that right now on the show.

761
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:54,360
Speaker 3: I don't get that, No, No, I'm just I'm in

762
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:57,879
Speaker 3: the very very early stages of thinking about another book.

763
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 3: It's uh, part two prestition, part embarrassment that I don't

764
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:04,319
Speaker 3: really like to talk about it until it's a little

765
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:07,280
Speaker 3: further down the road. But again, like I mean, without

766
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 3: going into details, I think I've started to realize that

767
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 3: I think people like characters more than plot. And then

768
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 3: I'm getting kind of you know whatever they call it

769
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 3: inside baseball in this but I think, and I think,

770
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 3: I really think that's true. It's like, why do they

771
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:27,320
Speaker 3: make fifteen Marvel movies because people want to see Captain

772
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:27,919
Speaker 3: America again?

773
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 2: Yeah?

774
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 3: Or that? Why did they Rea? Why did they bring

775
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:33,879
Speaker 3: back Top Gun? People wanted to see Goosen Maverick.

776
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 2: Again, you know, and so I think back to the

777
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:38,359
Speaker 2: future in another one, you know, it's like everybody wants

778
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:39,879
Speaker 2: to see Marty mckea. I keep going.

779
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 3: Seriously, That's why I made it into a Broadway show.

780
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 3: I think people want you know, we don't people don't

781
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 3: necessarily want to hear about new people. They want to

782
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 3: hear about people that they're familiar with and Ted Williams

783
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 3: or Arnold Palmer or whoever whatever person in history. If

784
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 3: I was to do a book on Elvis, Like again,

785
00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 3: I'm not doing a book on Elvis, But if I

786
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 3: was doing a book on Elvis, and you know, maybe

787
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 3: the whole story behind his famous Hawaii Comeback Show in

788
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 3: nineteen sixty eight, Like that could be a book because people, oh,

789
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:12,319
Speaker 3: it's Elvis, you know, I don't know this chapter Elvis's story.

790
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:15,239
Speaker 3: That's very interesting to me. Everybody knows some of the

791
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 3: background and you know, the movies he made and things

792
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 3: like that, and him dying and all those things.

793
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 2: Because I think just seeing this last movie that was

794
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 2: about Elvis, I didn't know that he was under the

795
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:27,720
Speaker 2: thumb of the kernel.

796
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,800
Speaker 3: That's kind of was part of the original take on it.

797
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 3: I think I think people want to sort of latch

798
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 3: onto history they know, but learn things they don't know,

799
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:40,719
Speaker 3: which is a weird like kind of a paradox, but

800
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 3: it's true because nobody knows, Like you could name the

801
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 3: most famous person in American history, George Washington, like Hamilton.

802
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:49,840
Speaker 3: Just think about the play Hamilton exactly way show Hamplton,

803
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 3: Like people knew he was a dollar on a ten

804
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 3: dollar bill and one of the founding fathers, all these things,

805
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 3: but nobody knew all these things that were prominent in

806
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:00,800
Speaker 3: the biography and then the movie Hamilton, the play Hamilton.

807
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 3: I think people want to hear about characters that are

808
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 3: familiar with but learn new things and I think the

809
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:08,400
Speaker 3: Wingman is an example of that.

810
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:11,839
Speaker 2: And what's funny about that mentioned about Hamilton real quick,

811
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 2: just to piggyback, is my fifteen sixteen year old daughter

812
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:17,239
Speaker 2: at the time was just obsessed with all of the

813
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 2: soundtrack and so here she is. She could tell me

814
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 2: all about Hamilton. She's like, oh, no, let me tell

815
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:25,279
Speaker 2: you all about Hamilton. I was like, oh, just put

816
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 2: it in a song and you'll know your math.

817
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 3: I mean, it's funny because yeah, my kids, my wife

818
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:32,359
Speaker 3: got big into Hamilton, and I hope she's not going

819
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:35,759
Speaker 3: to watch this because she is like she has like

820
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 3: the lowest threshold for history, Like she could listen to

821
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 3: like thirty seconds of all my book ideas before she's like,

822
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 3: that's too much history. I'm not interested. But she loves Hamilton.

823
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:49,920
Speaker 3: And he's for for months was asking me all these

824
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:54,440
Speaker 3: questions about the Revolutionary War and Washington and who's James

825
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 3: Madison like, And now my kids are the same way,

826
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 3: and like one son is really into Hamilton, and he

827
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 3: became really interested in the American history American presidents after that,

828
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 3: and he's fascinated, which strange enough, he's more fascinated by

829
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 3: the ones who are assassinated. But that's just how it is.

830
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 2: And I think why, yeah, you know, why, what was it?

831
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:15,839
Speaker 2: He's maybe a detective in the making.

832
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:17,880
Speaker 3: I don't know, bro Ma, well, I think it was

833
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 3: because Hamilton was kind of assassinating.

834
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:26,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, but Lincoln and Kennedy, so uh, it's it's.

835
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 3: Uh, there's people. We need to learn history. Obviously, it's important.

836
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 3: There's that whole If you don't learn your history, you're

837
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:33,920
Speaker 3: doing to repeat it. But you don't have to get

838
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 3: it by picking up a ninth grade textbook.

839
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 2: Either, right, right, No, I get that, yeah, because sometimes

840
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 2: that's hard to read.

841
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:43,799
Speaker 3: We're just we're just born.

842
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:45,879
Speaker 2: I'm just no, I'm playing a playing No. I loved

843
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 2: history in school. I just I went to the school

844
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:50,360
Speaker 2: where there was no emails, man, and there was no

845
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 2: one tracking me like that Today. Now we got it

846
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:54,239
Speaker 2: all on our phones. It's like you didn't turn you

847
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:56,839
Speaker 2: assignment in back then. I was like, oh I turned

848
00:40:56,880 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 2: everything in for the day. Man, oh man, So what

849
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 2: year did you come to this Earth? Eighty two? All right, yeah, see,

850
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 2: I'm just five years older than you, So listen to

851
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 2: the future. Let me tell you what's up. Grow your

852
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 2: braids out, You'll bet five years you learned a lot

853
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:17,239
Speaker 2: more than I did. Oh those five years, I just

854
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:21,959
Speaker 2: learned that it's always front foot forward. Just keep going,

855
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:24,479
Speaker 2: just keep hacking, and when you get like writer's block,

856
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 2: go outside and get some fresh air and go for

857
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:28,879
Speaker 2: a walk and enjoy some nature and just come down

858
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 2: from whatever you know has just blocked you. And it

859
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:33,880
Speaker 2: might just come to you just when you don't expect it.

860
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 2: Like I get hit up by people like, hey, rad

861
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:38,439
Speaker 2: I have a book. You'd be surprised how many times

862
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:40,759
Speaker 2: I get that. How do I get it published right?

863
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 2: How do I get the next How do I get

864
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:45,759
Speaker 2: in the space I have ideas? It's like, well, it's

865
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 2: not so easy. Publishers already have writers that do certain space,

866
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 2: and so they rely on writers to write that space.

867
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 2: So if you can come in like what you're suggesting

868
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 2: and take a different spin on it, or you know,

869
00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:00,160
Speaker 2: what would you give somebody out there right now, like

870
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:03,800
Speaker 2: maybe two pieces of advice that are that have ideas

871
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:07,280
Speaker 2: that would like to see it happen? What steps should

872
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 2: they take? I have?

873
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 3: I get asked a lot of that questions like that.

874
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 3: And I will preface this by saying, like this is

875
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 3: what works for me, and obviously what I say or

876
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 3: pick whatever famous writer their advice may not work for everybody.

877
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:26,279
Speaker 3: But my first piece of advice is always, if you

878
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 3: want to be a writer, then you need to write.

879
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 3: And by that I mean, like, I have a lot

880
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 3: of people who tell me they're sort of overwhelmed by

881
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:35,280
Speaker 3: like the blank page, or they don't know where to begin,

882
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:38,839
Speaker 3: or you know, I'm worried. I'm sure there's some people

883
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:41,360
Speaker 3: who are just worried about like embarrassing themselves or the

884
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 3: fear of rejection. The only way to get better at

885
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:47,280
Speaker 3: writing is by writing, Like whatever you're thinking about writing

886
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 3: your life story, you're a poem, your favorite recipe for

887
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:56,280
Speaker 3: banana pudding, Like write it down, get it down on paper,

888
00:42:56,480 --> 00:43:00,080
Speaker 3: and then you spend the next week rewriting it and

889
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 3: start over, or scratch out half of it and rearrange

890
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 3: it and cut it up with the you know, the

891
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 3: red pen like we used to use in grade school.

892
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 3: The only way you're going to get better at that

893
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:12,400
Speaker 3: is to do it, like even if it sucks, like

894
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:16,320
Speaker 3: that's your one point zero start over, Like you're not

895
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 3: going to write by thinking about it and you know,

896
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 3: worrying about it. You have to actually do it. And

897
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:25,840
Speaker 3: even if it's just like your brain pouring out onto

898
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 3: paper or onto the computer screen, that's the only way

899
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:31,400
Speaker 3: to get started. And then you just you just keep polishing.

900
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 3: The word I use a lot is like polishing and

901
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 3: polishing and polishing. So that's probably the first advice. And

902
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 3: I do think what I said earlier is also a

903
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 3: really good start for people who whether they're like four

904
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 3: years old, or whether they're a high school senior, or

905
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 3: whether they're like my grandfather who had retired the late

906
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:52,760
Speaker 3: night he'd retired in the early eighties and then decided

907
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 3: in the mid nineties he wanted to write a novel.

908
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 3: Write what you know, so you don't You don't have

909
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 3: to Your whole career doesn't have to be, you know,

910
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 3: if you were an accountant, your whole career doesn't have

911
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:05,719
Speaker 3: to be writing about the history of accountants or a

912
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 3: murder mystery is starting an accountant. But it's a good

913
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 3: place to start, Like write what you know. If you're

914
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 3: a baseball fan, write a baseball book. If you love poetry,

915
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:17,320
Speaker 3: you know, nature poetry, go out and write poems about

916
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:20,840
Speaker 3: a beautiful park or something like that. I mean poetry

917
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 3: is not my thing for the record, but I guess

918
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:25,759
Speaker 3: what I'm saying is like, whatever you're passionate about. I've

919
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:27,800
Speaker 3: always been passionate about sports. It's how I sort of

920
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 3: got to the point I am. Your passion will come

921
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:32,919
Speaker 3: through when you start writing. So that's why the whole

922
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:35,759
Speaker 3: write what you know, like you're usually passionate about things,

923
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:37,879
Speaker 3: you know. That's the other piece of advice I would

924
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:40,440
Speaker 3: give is like you're just starting, write what you know.

925
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:42,480
Speaker 3: Like my I'm thinking about my grandfather who wrote a

926
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 3: novel at age eighty one. I think was very interested

927
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 3: in like finance and stuff like that. His novel was

928
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 3: a lot about I think it was like about the

929
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 3: stock market and things like that. So he wrote what

930
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:57,120
Speaker 3: he knew. And that's always a good place to start and.

931
00:44:57,200 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 2: At least kind of like a little bit of a

932
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:00,879
Speaker 2: legacy for you, you know that they can say, hey,

933
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:03,239
Speaker 2: this is what grandpa wrote. You know, this is what

934
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 2: we have this book. It's been passed down through thirteen generations,

935
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 2: and you know, keep it safe. You know, Grandpa's writings,

936
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 2: you know, or your writings or your kids writings or heaven,

937
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 2: you know, like you know, who I think is our

938
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:20,840
Speaker 2: Shakespeare of the day, and it's no offense all the authors.

939
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 2: It's Taylor Swift. So I think that she is our Shakespeare.

940
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:28,360
Speaker 2: Where she's written all of her stuff. She writes it

941
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 2: out there, she puts it out there. She's willing to

942
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 2: take the rejections. She's really willing to take the ridicules.

943
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 2: She's willing to take the success. But at the end

944
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 2: of the day, like you said, write about something you're

945
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 2: passionate about. And if you listen to a lot of

946
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:41,759
Speaker 2: what she writes about, it's a lot of songs that

947
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:45,720
Speaker 2: are all about relationships in life. And so she seems

948
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 2: to be passionate about it and she's very successful. You're

949
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 2: passionate about sports yourself. Yes, I just put you in

950
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:54,800
Speaker 2: the same realms as Taylor Swift, Okay, And so you

951
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:57,880
Speaker 2: are successful because you believe in it, you're putting it

952
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 2: out there, You're following through with what you've been taught

953
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 2: and also what you've had to learn on your own.

954
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 2: You may have gone to school, and there are people

955
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 2: who are book smart, but can you put your book

956
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 2: smart from saying, say, becoming an entrepreneur actually doing it?

957
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 2: And so here you're taking, Hey, this is how you

958
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 2: like indent the first paragraph, bro in dent, Okay, capitalize

959
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 2: the first lady.

960
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 3: There are some things you only learn by It's kind

961
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 3: of what I was saying, is that you only learn

962
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:29,719
Speaker 3: by doing. Like it's great to have education, like traditional

963
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:33,479
Speaker 3: educational background, but it's it's gonna you have to apply

964
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:35,359
Speaker 3: it in the real world. I was watching a big

965
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:37,880
Speaker 3: Law and Order fan and there was one Law and

966
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 3: Order where they were talking about something and one of

967
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:43,279
Speaker 3: the attorneys was saying how they didn't learn this kind

968
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 3: of this kind of stuff wasn't taught in law school.

969
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:48,760
Speaker 3: And professor said something like that's because it's a law school,

970
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 3: not a lawyer. So it's like you learn the law,

971
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:53,040
Speaker 3: but you don't learn how to be a lawyer. Like

972
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:56,320
Speaker 3: that's becoming a lawyer. You learn on the job and

973
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 3: going through experience and practicing maybe like I don't know,

974
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:01,919
Speaker 3: mock ales or whatever, but like and you really only

975
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 3: learn by being in the courtroom in a real world situation.

976
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 3: Same thing with really most anything, And it's the same

977
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 3: thing with writing is no one's going to teach you

978
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 3: how to write. They may give you tools for you know,

979
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 3: storytelling and the basics of like grammar, and spelling and

980
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:17,360
Speaker 3: all those things that they may give you tools for

981
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 3: character development and plot twists or whatever. But the only

982
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:23,439
Speaker 3: way you're going to ever get to where you want

983
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 3: to be in that kind of field is by doing

984
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 3: it and you being your best.

985
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:30,279
Speaker 2: Teacher, pursuing it until you die. Just keep going, just

986
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:32,759
Speaker 2: keep at it, don't stop. Like you said, your father

987
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 2: or your grandfather was eighty one. Today we have presidents

988
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 2: that are running at eighty years old. Okay, so if

989
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:40,839
Speaker 2: you're sixty, you said about twenty years of job left

990
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 2: in you, sir. Yeah, okay, I don't know who that

991
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 2: is I'm talking to, but get it done already, all right,

992
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 2: it's not going to clean itself, Okay, all right now,

993
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 2: I think.

994
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 3: We could use it. I think we could just for

995
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:55,239
Speaker 3: the record, not democratic or Republican. Probably could use like

996
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:56,399
Speaker 3: a forty seven year.

997
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:59,320
Speaker 2: Old and one that spoke about language fluently or something like,

998
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 2: you know, even Spanish, like just ola, like how you

999
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 2: guys doing? Like I agree with you one hundred percent,

1000
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 2: And I know I've had you for almost an hour

1001
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:09,439
Speaker 2: of time, and I feel like I could keep talking

1002
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:11,480
Speaker 2: to you for a long time. And I know you're

1003
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 2: very busy and there's a lot of people that want

1004
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 2: your time, So thank you for giving that to us today.

1005
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:18,560
Speaker 2: Thank you to your wife, thank you to your kids

1006
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:22,240
Speaker 2: for supporting you and being there for you and always

1007
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 2: listening to you whether you know it or not. And

1008
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:31,280
Speaker 2: you know and your Wingman, The Wingman, the book The Wingman.

1009
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 2: When does that come out? Has that already launched? Or

1010
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 2: am I just getting it came out and came a fall.

1011
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 2: I would just say, anybody who wants to buy it

1012
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 2: or read more about it, or see some of the

1013
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:45,279
Speaker 2: reviews or some other interviews I've done along the way,

1014
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:48,759
Speaker 2: some other podcasts and newspaper write ups, just go to

1015
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:53,080
Speaker 2: my website just just Adam Lazarus books dot com, la

1016
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:56,320
Speaker 2: zaar U s Adam Lazarus books dot com. There's a

1017
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:58,760
Speaker 2: lot there about this book and all my other books.

1018
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:02,879
Speaker 2: And there's even, I believe even a couple like audiobook

1019
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:06,879
Speaker 2: chapter samples so you can before you can shop before

1020
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 2: you buy it. Do you do your audioble? Do you

1021
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:09,920
Speaker 2: do your voiceover?

1022
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 3: No? I haven't, which a part of me wants to

1023
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:16,960
Speaker 3: be like the next book I do, like, yeah, I

1024
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:20,439
Speaker 3: probably do want to read it, except I a feel

1025
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:23,879
Speaker 3: like I would be so self conscious the entire nine

1026
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:26,880
Speaker 3: hours of it. But be I also think somewhere online

1027
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:29,960
Speaker 3: someone's going to be like, you're a bad book reader.

1028
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:30,960
Speaker 2: You shouldn't be doing this.

1029
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 3: And hopefully it would be like someone in the production team,

1030
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 3: like before the book comes out and not after it

1031
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:40,319
Speaker 3: comes out. But yeah, I think while that would be fun,

1032
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:42,719
Speaker 3: I don't think that's my I don't think that's in

1033
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 3: my future.

1034
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:45,399
Speaker 2: Usually the people that say that about someone who reads

1035
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:47,920
Speaker 2: a book for you is because they didn't get to

1036
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:51,920
Speaker 2: do it. They usually had maybe I think, you know

1037
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:53,719
Speaker 2: the ones that are like, oh this guy, this day's

1038
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 2: dude's too fast, or this dude's.

1039
00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:58,080
Speaker 3: Maybe a whole nother problem.

1040
00:49:58,160 --> 00:49:58,359
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1041
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:01,040
Speaker 3: Also, like I'm gonna watch when you post this. Whenever

1042
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:04,440
Speaker 3: you post this, I'll watch it and I'll just cringe

1043
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:05,320
Speaker 3: every time I'm talking.

1044
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 2: No, don't craze. Stop stop no, look, we're together. It's okay.

1045
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:13,080
Speaker 2: You're great. I just told you you're awesome. I just

1046
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:15,120
Speaker 2: put you in Taylor Swift's category.

1047
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:17,880
Speaker 3: That's true, that's true. You are the second person to

1048
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 3: mention Taylor Swift to me in a podcast like this.

1049
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:24,920
Speaker 3: You know the books about John Glenn and Ted Williams. Yes,

1050
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 3: and someone said something to me, like, tell us about

1051
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 3: this John Glenn Ted Williams friendship connection. Is it like

1052
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:36,600
Speaker 3: Taylor Swift and Travis Kelcey. Yeah, I know, but I

1053
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:38,279
Speaker 3: guess they were sort of just saying it was more

1054
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:42,560
Speaker 3: like two massive celebrities from two different worlds.

1055
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:45,400
Speaker 2: Uh huh. And I guess that's why it's apped.

1056
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:47,320
Speaker 3: You know, it is kind of app but it's just

1057
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 3: it was just funny to me, and it was I

1058
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:50,879
Speaker 3: was like, Oh, I should have piggybacked on that. I'm

1059
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 3: sure someone's writing a Taylor Swift Travis Kelcey split bio

1060
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:55,680
Speaker 3: right now, So good luck to them.

1061
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:58,080
Speaker 2: Well, she is the man, so she gets to get

1062
00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 2: talked about in everybody's podcast. All right, so including ours

1063
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:06,440
Speaker 2: major quota today. But yes, okay, t I'm gonna go

1064
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 2: take a break. Now.

1065
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 3: You're going to get that. You'll get the extra check

1066
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:16,280
Speaker 3: mark on your social media profile.

1067
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 2: In heaven, Bro, I'm looking for heaven here. I need

1068
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 2: the check market Heaven when I get there with I'm

1069
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 2: not sure tellers just that kind of power. Maybe maybe

1070
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:26,919
Speaker 2: in a couple of years. Oh you're great, bro, you're great.

1071
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:28,880
Speaker 2: Look I hope we can get your book into our

1072
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 2: book club, our software book club. You heard me drop

1073
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:33,320
Speaker 2: that in the beginning of the show, and we do

1074
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:35,799
Speaker 2: have a book club. And the guy's Brandon Webb. He's

1075
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:39,000
Speaker 2: the author of Steel Fear and Cult Fear, and he

1076
00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:41,959
Speaker 2: also runs the website softwap dot com. He's a former

1077
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:45,960
Speaker 2: Navy Seal sniper instructor and so he transitioned into an

1078
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Speaker 2: author and writing and he kind of had the same thing.

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Speaker 2: He's like, you just got to do it, just got to,

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Speaker 2: you know, put it on paper.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And anybody gets the book for your book club

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Speaker 3: or anyone listening now, and you want me to sign

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Speaker 3: it or dedicate it. My email address is on the website.

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Speaker 3: Just go there and and I'm happy.

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Speaker 2: And that's Adam Lazarus dot com, right.

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Speaker 3: Books, Adam Lazarus Books dot com.

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Speaker 2: Adam Lazarus books dot com. And what we'll do is

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Speaker 2: my producer Anton, he'll listen, and the guys Mark and them,

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Speaker 2: they'll dissertate everything down below on the website and they'll

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Speaker 2: be hyperlinks. So I trust in them to just link

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Speaker 2: to your website. And then if my listener or viewer

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Speaker 2: wants to know more, go check out soft rep dot

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Speaker 2: com or wherever you're watching it, leave a comment down below.

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Speaker 2: I've had Adam's time for almost a solid hour. We've

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Speaker 2: really enjoyed you being here. You're welcome back with any

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Speaker 2: endeavor that you want to bring to us and to

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Speaker 2: our community. Welcome to the soft rep community, and congratulations

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Speaker 2: on your transition. And I just want to say on

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Speaker 2: behalf of everybody here at soft rep. On behalf of

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Speaker 2: Adam Lazarus and myself. This is rad saying thank you

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Speaker 2: and peace.

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