WEBVTT - 012823 Florida Says Black History Lacks Educational Value (Part 2)

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<v Speaker 1>And now.

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<v Speaker 2>Moving my mic back.

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<v Speaker 1>You're like that.

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<v Speaker 3>You can strikes with waters from headquarters behind him and

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<v Speaker 3>the line.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're just tuned it in the civic exich for

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<v Speaker 2>I'm your host, Ramsay's job, Rams' job, I am q ward.

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<v Speaker 1>You guys are listening to CIVI excited.

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<v Speaker 2>Does indeed stick around? We still got a lot more

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<v Speaker 2>show in stow for you. We're gonna be talking about

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<v Speaker 2>the U Order Department of Education be ashamed of them,

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<v Speaker 2>So we're gonna be talking about that they in short,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think that, uh, the education of African American

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<v Speaker 2>studies has any educational value, and so we're gonna break

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<v Speaker 2>that down. And we're also going to be spending some

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<v Speaker 2>time talking about a gentleman by the name of Bo

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<v Speaker 2>Diddley for our way Black history fact. For those of

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<v Speaker 2>you who are are fans of rock and roll music

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<v Speaker 2>or blues or any of that sort of stuff, we're

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<v Speaker 2>going to show you the black origins of certainly rock

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<v Speaker 2>and roll. I'm sure that you can actually tell about

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<v Speaker 2>the blues. But before we get there, let's talk about

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that this is very important because education

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<v Speaker 2>from a bright moment in education to a a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit darker moment, Florida Department of Education has declined to

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<v Speaker 2>include an African American African sorry Advanced Placement African American

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<v Speaker 2>Studies course proposed by the College Board in schools. This

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<v Speaker 2>article comes from binnews dot com and before we get

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<v Speaker 2>into it, what are your early thoughts or what were

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<v Speaker 2>your early thoughts when you first heard about this and

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<v Speaker 2>the why.

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<v Speaker 1>You and I have discussed the very very rapid and

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<v Speaker 1>dramatic temperature change in overt racism post the election of

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<v Speaker 1>our former president, and I saw hundreds of thousands, millions

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<v Speaker 1>of black people arguing for overt racism's place in today's culture,

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<v Speaker 1>in today's ecosystem, as something they preferred. I like it

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<v Speaker 1>for our racist to wear it on their chests and

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<v Speaker 1>say it with their chests and let us know how

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<v Speaker 1>they really feel. And I've always pushed back on that

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<v Speaker 1>right because the actual outcomes matter more than the performative part.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>So if being ashamed of being racist means you treat

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<v Speaker 1>my children nicer just so people will think you're not racist,

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<v Speaker 1>then I prefer that I don't need to know your

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<v Speaker 1>true colors. If the world I live in is better

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<v Speaker 1>because you're faking it, I don't live with you. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not in your home, so you're allowed to keep those private, dangerous,

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<v Speaker 1>bigoted thoughts to yourself with everyone now wearing it more

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<v Speaker 1>on their chest. I think I spoke to you off

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<v Speaker 1>air about the idea that there are a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>people who part of their not just social identity, but

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<v Speaker 1>professional identity, is that they're decent. So to protect their pocketbooks,

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<v Speaker 1>they got to pretend to be decent people, or at

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<v Speaker 1>least they used to, because something like this would have

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<v Speaker 1>never been something that we even considered having to cover

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<v Speaker 1>in news, because those people would have understood how flagrantly

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<v Speaker 1>and overtly racist it would be to say what they said,

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<v Speaker 1>to say what they said, and to have something like

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<v Speaker 1>this make the news, they be too embarrassed. Nobody's embarrassed anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>They're standing on it.

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<v Speaker 1>They're standing again and stand to lose nothing because their

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<v Speaker 1>supporters now feel more inclined and more emboldened to support

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<v Speaker 1>these types loud views and express these types views out loud.

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<v Speaker 1>This governor in a state that is extremely diverse can

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<v Speaker 1>come out and with a straight face tell people that

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<v Speaker 1>there is no scholastic or educational value in African American study,

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<v Speaker 1>that's the most hurtful thing, and have a whole governing

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<v Speaker 1>body stand behind in him and support it. And I'd

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<v Speaker 1>be willing to bet that there were minorities involved in

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<v Speaker 1>this decision. I'd be willing to bet that blindly, you know, I.

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<v Speaker 2>If I were to accept that, it would be very

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<v Speaker 2>easy because, as we've seen in the first part, of

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<v Speaker 2>the show when we were talking about the five officers

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<v Speaker 2>that ended the life of I think his name is

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<v Speaker 2>Tyree Nichols. They were all black. All five of those

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<v Speaker 2>officers ended that black child's life. Six black people involved.

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<v Speaker 2>So absolutely I could totally see this board, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>parroting these what we believe to be white supremacist sentiments

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<v Speaker 2>and really espousing these ideals. And again, I think that

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<v Speaker 2>the thing that's so hurtful about this is that they

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<v Speaker 2>say it has no educational value. That part is really hurtful.

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<v Speaker 2>So again I mentioned that I had a conversation, a

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<v Speaker 2>very meaningful conversation earlier in the week with a person

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<v Speaker 2>that I feel deserves way more of a stage than

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<v Speaker 2>he already has, and he's got a huge stage, Anthony Browner.

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<v Speaker 2>Once upon a time at our old station where we

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<v Speaker 2>Q and I used to work, I'd go into the

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<v Speaker 2>the program director's office. I was a music director, So

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<v Speaker 2>I'd go in the office at the end of the

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<v Speaker 2>day and I would program the logs for the next day.

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<v Speaker 2>I was a music director, meaning that I basically scheduled

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<v Speaker 2>the order in which the songs played. Surprise supplies. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>they don't take your requests oh, I shouldn't say that anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>Some Yeah, sometimes sometimes you can get a request in,

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<v Speaker 2>but for the most part, it's predetermined anyway. So I

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<v Speaker 2>would go in there and I'd spend some time, put

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of thought into this, and it would take

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<v Speaker 2>some time, and I would listen to these lectures. I

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<v Speaker 2>would listen to these people, these great thinkers, these really

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<v Speaker 2>educated folks, Anthony Browner being one of them. And I

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<v Speaker 2>realized that I was either not educated or miseducated. I

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<v Speaker 2>was given an alternative version of reality. In fact, I

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<v Speaker 2>still know things that aren't entirely true. And I learned

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<v Speaker 2>that in my conversation recently with it. And so I

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<v Speaker 2>personally began to appreciate the value of a full education,

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<v Speaker 2>an education that included African history as human history, as

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<v Speaker 2>world history, an education that included African American history as

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<v Speaker 2>American history. Right, because it's it's crazy. How do you

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<v Speaker 2>tell the story of the United States. Well, we were

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<v Speaker 2>being oppressed by you know, the King of England. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>they were taxing us and not we didn't have any representation,

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<v Speaker 2>and then we did the Boston Tea Party, and then

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<v Speaker 2>you know the the you know, you know the story you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know, lack of religious freedom, et cetera.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and this is you know, a lot of a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of things go into this. So basically, we're trying

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<v Speaker 2>as a country, or as we started off as a

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<v Speaker 2>series of colonies, but we were trying to gain our independence, right, U,

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<v Speaker 2>gain some autonomy, be self determined. And you know, this

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<v Speaker 2>fighting spirit is indeed written into the story of this country,

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<v Speaker 2>right but when you break it down a little further,

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<v Speaker 2>for black people, that wasn't true. And we're still trying

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<v Speaker 2>to make it true day and day after day, year

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<v Speaker 2>after year, decade after decade. We're still inching forward. Would

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<v Speaker 2>love to feel as free as that rich white man

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<v Speaker 2>that we always talk about seems to be.

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<v Speaker 1>It is. You couldn't see it. But as you were

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<v Speaker 1>saying that, I just got chills. And the reason why,

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<v Speaker 1>as I've been trying to figure out how to say

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<v Speaker 1>something for as long as we've been doing this show,

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<v Speaker 1>and really for as long as I've been having these thoughts,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think you just helped me get there. I

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<v Speaker 1>do not think there is a more determined people to

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<v Speaker 1>be a part of this country's history and what it celebrates.

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<v Speaker 1>In black people, we really, really, really really really are

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<v Speaker 1>proud Americans, like insanely so, considering our history with this

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<v Speaker 1>country and everything that stands for and everything that it

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<v Speaker 1>was built on. But we are the single most determined people,

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<v Speaker 1>I think, in the history of the world to subscribe

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<v Speaker 1>to the teachings and beliefs of a country that has essentially,

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<v Speaker 1>for most of its history not just undervalued and underappreciated us,

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<v Speaker 1>but abused us. And we somehow still really, really, really

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<v Speaker 1>want to be proud Americans. We do not want to

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<v Speaker 1>seek our revenge, We do not want to overthrow the place.

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<v Speaker 1>We just want to like all those words that you

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<v Speaker 1>guys didn't mean about us when you were writing Constitution,

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<v Speaker 1>when you were writing the villain Rights, when you were

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<v Speaker 1>writing the Pledge of Allegiance, when you were writing all

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<v Speaker 1>these beautiful things that we sing and memorize and recite.

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<v Speaker 1>Even though we now realize you were not talking about us,

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<v Speaker 1>we still hope one day we're going to wake up

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<v Speaker 1>and you guys are gonna be like, Okay, you guys too, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's it, that's it. Yeah, that's funny that you said that.

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<v Speaker 1>That is a really that's a pretty low bar. It's

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<v Speaker 1>both awesome and so crushingly different. Yeah, and I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>mean to cut you off. I'm saying that. I'm just like.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, man, like well, I think that that that makes

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<v Speaker 2>the point, because you know, their worry has historically been

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<v Speaker 2>with the whole conversation about CRT or really American history

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<v Speaker 2>and whether or not that should be taught in classrooms there.

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<v Speaker 2>Their whole conversation has been about it, let's be honest,

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<v Speaker 2>centering the feelings of white children and the expense of

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<v Speaker 2>everyone else, of white children's parents.

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<v Speaker 1>Ooh, that way they say, it's about the children, It's

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<v Speaker 1>about their parents who have to answer those questions and

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<v Speaker 1>speak to those feelings that their intelligent children will have

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<v Speaker 1>when they hear those stories. Sure, they're not going to

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<v Speaker 1>assume culpability and feel guilty themselves. They're gonna feel hurt,

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<v Speaker 1>They're gonna want questions to answer it. They're gonna feel empathy,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're gonna have to teach that out of them,

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<v Speaker 1>and they don't want that. I think the word they

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<v Speaker 1>use is indoctrinated. They think that these teachers will doctrinate

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<v Speaker 1>their their children to want to rise up and be

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<v Speaker 1>good people. Yes, but that's not the words of activist

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<v Speaker 1>good people. They don't want their children to become activist rooms.

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<v Speaker 1>That's funny. Well, I think that, uh, you know again

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<v Speaker 1>that that kind of proves the point. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>if you educate people, young people, especially about African American history,

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<v Speaker 1>black history in this country, and indeed African history by itself,

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<v Speaker 1>and you teach it all the way thoroughly up to

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<v Speaker 1>present day, then what you're teaching the students is, well,

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<v Speaker 1>these black people, these African and African American people, have

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<v Speaker 1>an incredible resolve.

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<v Speaker 2>They're very diligent. They have been through a lot and

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<v Speaker 2>have not organized to rise up, you know, in mass

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and if that were something that were to happen,

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<v Speaker 2>nobody could really blame them. And yet that's not what

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<v Speaker 2>they want. They're just simply seeking to be counted. They're

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<v Speaker 2>seeking to have a fair go of things. Why is

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<v Speaker 2>my neighbor's house three hundred thousand dollars more than mine

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<v Speaker 2>and it's the same house. I'm black and I live

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<v Speaker 2>here and my neighbor's not black, And if I change

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<v Speaker 2>the family portrait in my house, then all of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 2>the value of my house goes up three hundred thousand dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>Why is it the black real estate agents make less.

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<v Speaker 2>And we're just talking about one tiny, teeny tiny facet.

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<v Speaker 2>Why is black wealth? Why we're talking about education outcomes?

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<v Speaker 2>Why is education? You know what I mean? And you can't,

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<v Speaker 2>And it's there's so many people that will just accept

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<v Speaker 2>the way the world is because A it doesn't affect them,

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<v Speaker 2>or B they don't know any better. But you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I think that a comforting thought for folks is well,

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<v Speaker 2>that's just how it is. You know, some people are

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<v Speaker 2>better at this, some people are better at that. And

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<v Speaker 2>that's a falsehood because what I often do is compare

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<v Speaker 2>black outcomes across the Atlantic. So are the outcomes for

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<v Speaker 2>African Americans the same as the outcomes for Africans? And

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<v Speaker 2>if so, they you know, Okay, your point is well made,

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<v Speaker 2>But often enough the outcomes are not the same. And

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<v Speaker 2>so what's the difference. Well, these are African Americans and

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<v Speaker 2>these are Africans, so the American part must be the difference.

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<v Speaker 2>So what's going on with the American part that's making

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<v Speaker 2>the African Americans suffer more than the African counterparts? Granted,

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<v Speaker 2>Africa is not in the best shape, but there's different

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<v Speaker 2>ailments in African.

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<v Speaker 1>Countries.

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<v Speaker 2>There's the legacy of colonialism, there's you know, the theft

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<v Speaker 2>and theft really in mass and then bad deals and

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<v Speaker 2>people not honoring and then all kinds of government manipulation,

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<v Speaker 2>British government manipulation that you know, destabilizes the country. And

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<v Speaker 2>then you have left with the continent that looks the

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<v Speaker 2>way it looks now. But you know how the prison

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<v Speaker 2>populations look. You know what I mean, You see what

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<v Speaker 2>I'm saying. So history is very, very important because it

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<v Speaker 2>gives you a framework to understand the world a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit better. Now, I didn't read this article yet, and

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<v Speaker 2>I do need to read it just to you know,

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<v Speaker 2>preserve some journalistic integrity here, So I'll start. According to

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<v Speaker 2>w E s H two News, the FDOE said in

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<v Speaker 2>a letter to College Board that it would not approve

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<v Speaker 2>including ap African American studies into the Florida Course Code

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<v Speaker 2>directory and instructional personnel assignments because quote, the content of

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<v Speaker 2>this course is inexplicably, inexplicably contrary to Florida law. That

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<v Speaker 2>would have been enough. It wouldn't have been enough. But okay,

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<v Speaker 2>but here's where the knife gets twisted and significantly lacks

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<v Speaker 2>educational value. Okay, that's the hurtful part. So my history

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<v Speaker 2>lacks educational value. And mind you, this is an.

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<v Speaker 1>AP course and it's contrary to the law.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I get that. That's you know, you fight

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<v Speaker 2>some battles, you lose some battles. What are you going

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<v Speaker 2>to do? Right, But then to go ahead and insult

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<v Speaker 2>the educational value of our history is a slap in

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<v Speaker 2>the face. You know. As a matter of fact, our

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<v Speaker 2>way black history facts should have been about that that

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<v Speaker 2>beach in Florida where only blacks could that was the

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<v Speaker 2>only beach in Florida where black people could go and swim.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, I'll do that, and that'll show you just

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<v Speaker 2>how racist Florida has been in the past. And this

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<v Speaker 2>obviously shows that Florida is still, at least in these

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<v Speaker 2>pockets of power, tenuous power, how racist it still can be.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was making a point. This is an AP course,

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<v Speaker 2>so those for those familiar, AP is not kindergarten, it's

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<v Speaker 2>not first grade, it's not second grade. AP is advanced placement,

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<v Speaker 2>I believe is the is what it's abbreviated for. I

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<v Speaker 2>I took AP courses in high school. It was a

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<v Speaker 2>long time ago, but all right, I'll finish reading or

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<v Speaker 2>I'll continue reading rather. The AP African American Studies course

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<v Speaker 2>was limited this academic year in sixty schools across the nation.

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<v Speaker 2>Per the College Board website, the course intends to introduce

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<v Speaker 2>high school students to African American studies and includes a

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<v Speaker 2>curriculum that covers literature, geography, and more. Here's a quote.

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<v Speaker 2>Drawing from expertise and experience of college faculty and teachers

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<v Speaker 2>across the country, the course is designed to offer high

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<v Speaker 2>school students an evidence based introduction to African American studies.

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<v Speaker 2>The description of the course reads, per College Board quote,

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<v Speaker 2>the interdisciplinary course reaches into a variety of fields literature,

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<v Speaker 2>the arts and humanities, political science, geography, and more science

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<v Speaker 2>to explore the vital contributions and experiences of African Americans.

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<v Speaker 2>During the twenty twenty three twenty four academic school year,

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<v Speaker 2>the pilot is expected to be implemented in hundreds of

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<v Speaker 2>schools before all institutions can start offering the course in

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty four to twenty five. The first AP exams

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<v Speaker 2>are set to be administered in the spring of twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twe twenty five, following the FDE blocking the African American

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<v Speaker 2>Studies course. College Board issued the following statement quote, Like

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<v Speaker 2>all new AP courses, AP African American Studies is undergoing

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<v Speaker 2>a rigorous multi year pilot phase, collecting feedback from teachers, students, scholars,

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<v Speaker 2>and policymakers. The process of piloting and revising course frameworks

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<v Speaker 2>is standard part of any new AP course, and frameworks

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<v Speaker 2>changed significantly as a result. We look forward to publicly

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<v Speaker 2>releasing the updated course framework as soon as it is

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<v Speaker 2>completed and well before this class is widely available in

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<v Speaker 2>American high schools. In its letter to college Board, the

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<v Speaker 2>FDOE wrote, in the future, should College Board be willing

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<v Speaker 2>to come back to the table with lawful, historically accurate content,

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<v Speaker 2>FDOE will always be willing to reopen the discussion. Okay, So, basically,

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<v Speaker 2>they spent years with some of the most prominent educators

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<v Speaker 2>in this country developing in this curriculum, They piloted it

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<v Speaker 2>to see if it were works, and then when they

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<v Speaker 2>took it to Florida, Florida says it lacks significant education

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<v Speaker 2>or sorry, significantly lacks educational value, and then later says

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<v Speaker 2>that the content was historically inaccurate. In other words, if

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<v Speaker 2>you come back to the table with lawful, historically accurate

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<v Speaker 2>content will resume the conversation, so that lets me.

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<v Speaker 1>Know they and still ultimately till you know, yes and

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<v Speaker 1>we're empowered to do so.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, they're going to make it wrong even if it's not.

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<v Speaker 2>They already did that. And I think your point that

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<v Speaker 2>you made was they're doing this right in front of

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<v Speaker 2>everyone's face, not even hiding the fact, and they're adding

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<v Speaker 2>insult to injury. It's like they're mocking us. How dare

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<v Speaker 2>you say?

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<v Speaker 1>And singularly because other ap history classes from other cultures,

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<v Speaker 1>other backgrounds, other migrant cultures that came over to this league,

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<v Speaker 1>talk to them. Those are historical, listory and lawful.

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<v Speaker 2>I did a talk about this again on the Black

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<v Speaker 2>Information Network Daily podcast where I discussed the Holocaust. So

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<v Speaker 2>m hmm, let's talk about this tragedy is a tragedy.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to make sure that I say that I

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<v Speaker 2>do believe that children should know about the Holocaust. I

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<v Speaker 2>believe everybody should know about the Holocaust. It is an

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<v Speaker 2>awful thing that happened, and we need to continue to

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<v Speaker 2>learn from it so that we know how to be

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<v Speaker 2>the best brothers and sisters to our Jewish brothers and

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<v Speaker 2>sisters as we can possibly be A and B. We

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<v Speaker 2>need to know about it so we know how to

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<v Speaker 2>observe the uh makes of a similar event phenomenon taking

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<v Speaker 2>place in the future, so that we can prevent it

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<v Speaker 2>from you know, prevent the systematic extermination of human beings

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<v Speaker 2>for their religious beliefs. Right, it's necessary. It has significant

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<v Speaker 2>educational value. Right, I believe this, Right, so does the

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<v Speaker 2>Florida Department of Education.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>Six million. Now, again, I'm not an atrocity is an atrocity,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm not trying to compare other than to say

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<v Speaker 2>that while that counts in my view and their view

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<v Speaker 2>as significantly having educational value. Also, when you take into

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<v Speaker 2>account the amount of slaves that die just in the

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<v Speaker 2>Middle Passage, I think that was somewhere in the neighborhood

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<v Speaker 2>of eighty million, eighty eighty five million, something like that.

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<v Speaker 2>If that number may not be right, but it's certainly

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<v Speaker 2>more than six million, right, And so that too belongs here,

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<v Speaker 2>And if that were the only thing, that would be it.

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<v Speaker 2>But obviously the rabbit hole goes much deeper. But now

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<v Speaker 2>it's time for the way Black history facts. So let's

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<v Speaker 2>move it on. Today's Way. Black History Fact is sponsored

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<v Speaker 2>by the Black Information Network Daily Podcast and today we

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<v Speaker 2>are pulling from two sources, so we be Rollingstone dot com.

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<v Speaker 2>Shout out to Rolling Stone, they did a nice article

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<v Speaker 2>on us and Blackpast dot org and we are talking

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<v Speaker 2>about Bo Diddley. Sorry, I had a moment shout out

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<v Speaker 2>to Rolling Stone because they did an article on us.

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<v Speaker 2>That's actually shout out. They did do an article on

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<v Speaker 2>this show.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's that's that's special.

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<v Speaker 1>That's an impossible thing to say out loud, and it'll

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<v Speaker 1>be true. Man, we're doing something special apparently, all right.

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<v Speaker 2>Boxer and singer Bo Didley, whose birth name was Ellis

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<v Speaker 2>Bates McDaniel, was born on December thirtieth, nineteen twenty eight,

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<v Speaker 2>in McComb, Mississippi. He was adopted by his mother's cousin.

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<v Speaker 2>When the mother's husband died in the mid nineteen thirties,

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<v Speaker 2>McDaniel moved her family to Chicago, where young Ellis took

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<v Speaker 2>violin lessons from Professor ol W. Frederick at the Ebenezer

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<v Speaker 2>Missionary Baptist Church. He studied violin for twelve years and

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<v Speaker 2>composed two concertos or concertos. I never know how to

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<v Speaker 2>say that word. In nineteen forty, his sister bought McDaniel

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<v Speaker 2>and acoustic guitar for Christmas. He soon started to play

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<v Speaker 2>the guitar, largely duplicating his actions on the violin. Soon afterwards,

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<v Speaker 2>he formed his first group of three, named the Hipsters

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<v Speaker 2>and later known as the Langley Avenue Jive Cats. I

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<v Speaker 2>Love That. It was during this time that the band

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<v Speaker 2>leaders gave him the nickname Bo Diddley. Didley recorded his

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<v Speaker 2>first single, Bo did Lee Slash I Am a Man

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<v Speaker 2>on March second, nineteen fifty five, on Checkers Records. It

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<v Speaker 2>topped the R and B chart for two weeks. Soon afterward,

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<v Speaker 2>Didley began to tour, performing in schools, colleges, and churches

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<v Speaker 2>across the United States. Regardless of the venue, he taught

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<v Speaker 2>people the importance of respect and education and all the

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<v Speaker 2>dangers of drugs and gang culture. For a young black

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<v Speaker 2>singer and guitarist from Chicago with only a minor hit,

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<v Speaker 2>getting booked on the Ed Sullivan Show in nineteen fifty

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<v Speaker 2>five was a career making opportunity. Sullivan asked him to

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<v Speaker 2>sing Tennessee Eerie Ford's country smash sixteen Tons. Instead, The

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<v Speaker 2>young star unleashed the guitar Maelstrom that introduced him to

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<v Speaker 2>the world and whose title bore his name, Bo Didley.

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<v Speaker 2>The audience went wild, and Sullivan fumed, promising that Diddley

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<v Speaker 2>would never appear on television again. Later, Didley recalled the

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<v Speaker 2>aftermath quote he says to me, you're the first colored

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<v Speaker 2>boy ever double crossed me on a song unquote. And

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<v Speaker 2>I started to hit dude because I was a young

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<v Speaker 2>hoodlum out of Chicago and thought colored boy was an insult. Hey, man,

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<v Speaker 2>you're right about that. Colored boy is an insult, all right.

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<v Speaker 2>Idley was pure masculinity, with songs that shouted his name

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<v Speaker 2>and proclaimed his skills with a cigar box shaped guitar

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<v Speaker 2>he designed himself, a stetson on his head, and a

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<v Speaker 2>sound that permanently reoriented the world's senses of rhythm. Bo

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<v Speaker 2>Diddley called himself the Originator, and when he died at

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<v Speaker 2>age seventy nine on June second from heart Sorry that

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<v Speaker 2>would have been two thousand and eight, from heart failure

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<v Speaker 2>in his home in Archer, Florida, music lost a one

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<v Speaker 2>of a kind pioneer. Bo Diddley was known for many

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<v Speaker 2>new musical styles and innovations. He was one of the

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<v Speaker 2>first musicians of the nineteen fifties to incorporate women musicians,

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<v Speaker 2>including Lady Bo. He hired a full time to play

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<v Speaker 2>all of his stage performances, whereupon she became the first

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<v Speaker 2>female lead guitarist in history to be employed by a

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<v Speaker 2>major act. Also, the usage of special effects like reverb

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<v Speaker 2>and his manipulations of the guitar made him a groundbreaking musician.

0:28:05.800 --> 0:28:08.760
<v Speaker 2>Didley hopped and strutted around stage while playing his guitar,

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<v Speaker 2>over his head, with his teeth, and even between his legs.

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<v Speaker 2>In that regard, he influenced numerous rock musicians from the

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen sixties on, and in nineteen eighty six, Vau Didley

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<v Speaker 2>was inducted into the Washington Area Music Association's Hall of Fame.

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<v Speaker 2>Then in the following year, he was inducted into the

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<v Speaker 2>Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in Cleveland. In nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>ninety six, Didley received the Lifetime Achievement Award from the

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<v Speaker 2>Rhythm and Blues Foundation in Los Angeles, while the following

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<v Speaker 2>year his nineteen fifty five debut record of his song

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<v Speaker 2>Bo Didley was inducted into the Grammy Hall of Fame

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<v Speaker 2>as a recording of Lasting qualitative or historical significance. Also

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<v Speaker 2>in nineteen ninety six, he received a Lifetime Achievement Award

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<v Speaker 2>at the Grammy Awards ceremony. In two thousand, Didley was

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<v Speaker 2>inducted into the Mississippi Museum Musicians Hall of Fame as

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<v Speaker 2>well as the North Florida Music Association's Hall of Fame.

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<v Speaker 2>And in seven Didley went to Mississippi to receive the

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<v Speaker 2>Governor's Award for Excellence in Arts for Lifetime Achievement, which

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<v Speaker 2>is the state's highest arts honor. Let's see, and he

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<v Speaker 2>was married four times, and he was survived by his

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<v Speaker 2>five children, fifteen grandchildren, and fifteen great grandchildren and three

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<v Speaker 2>great great grandchildren. And I love this story because and

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<v Speaker 2>the reason that I was kind of prime for the

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<v Speaker 2>story is because I saw a clip on social media

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<v Speaker 2>as a video of Ray Charles, right, and Ray Charles

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<v Speaker 2>was getting interviewed. My older sister actually posted this, So

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<v Speaker 2>shout out to my sister Trudy, and that's your screen

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<v Speaker 2>name if you want to follow her. It's true underscore D. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>so this video, a journalist isn't excuse me interviewing Ray Charles,

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<v Speaker 2>and he says something like, you know, Elvis is really good, right,

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<v Speaker 2>Elvis is really good?

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<v Speaker 4>And Ray Charles goes, oh, okay, okay, and the journalist says, whoa, okay, well,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, you tell me what are your thoughts on Elvis?

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<v Speaker 2>And he says, well, Elvis is you know, let's be honest.

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<v Speaker 2>And then effectively, what he says is that Elvis copied

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<v Speaker 2>black music, copied black dance styles, singing styles, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>guitar styles, etc. And just repackaged it for a white audience.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's why he was successful. But that didn't make

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<v Speaker 2>him good. It's not just to say that he was bad,

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<v Speaker 2>but there were certainly a lot of people who were

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<v Speaker 2>better performers, musicians, singers, et cetera. And so for Elvis

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<v Speaker 2>to be celebrated in that way, Ray Charles just couldn't

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<v Speaker 2>really see it, and he was almost insulted. In fact,

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<v Speaker 2>I think he was insulted to be having to have

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<v Speaker 2>this conversation about Elvis Presley when he's Ray Charles, right,

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<v Speaker 2>and from his perspective, you get, it didn't seem like arrogance.

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<v Speaker 2>It seemed like, well, shoot, I never thought of that.

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<v Speaker 2>You're absolutely right, you know, we you know who didn't

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<v Speaker 2>grow up in that time, we look at it like, oh, yeah, Elvis,

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<v Speaker 2>he's like one of the greats, Sure, why not, right,

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<v Speaker 2>But the way he tells it, it's like, oh, shoot,

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<v Speaker 2>he's right, right. And so having that sort of as

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<v Speaker 2>the backdrop for you know, this Bo Diddley story, I

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<v Speaker 2>realized that, you know, it's up to us to make

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<v Speaker 2>those connections, those decidedly black connections to rock and roll,

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<v Speaker 2>to everything that was black, because you know, we need

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<v Speaker 2>to give credit where credit is due. We need to

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<v Speaker 2>highlight our contributions to this country in entertainment and in

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<v Speaker 2>every other space because they're often overlooked, and we need

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<v Speaker 2>to make sure that we celebrate our heroes. And so

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<v Speaker 2>Bo Diddley was the name of the day, and that,

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<v Speaker 2>ladies and gentlemen, is your way Black history.

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<v Speaker 1>Fact. That's incredible, nice and neat right. Yeah, I got

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<v Speaker 1>to learn about Bo Diddley as a kid because Bo

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<v Speaker 1>Jackson a very prominent and famous athlete. Part of his

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<v Speaker 1>marketing campaign through Nike was you don't know Bo, and

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<v Speaker 1>then Bo Diddley said, BO don't know Diddley. So it

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<v Speaker 1>was a really good play on words in a way

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<v Speaker 1>of interjecting himself back into the sociular culture and the

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<v Speaker 1>culture I love that well.

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