1 00:00:01,240 --> 00:00:05,520 Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George 2 00:00:05,559 --> 00:00:09,560 Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong, Joe Getty. 3 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:11,840 Speaker 2: Armstrong and Getti and He. 4 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:20,760 Speaker 3: Armstrong and Getty Strong and not live from Studio c Hey. 5 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:22,840 Speaker 3: There were Armstrong and get in for the first time ever. 6 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:26,640 Speaker 3: I think we actually are taking Columbus Day off. I 7 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 3: do not like the way you are treating Italian Americans. 8 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:31,520 Speaker 2: I can't handle it. I'm too angry to come to. 9 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 4: I've written it three ships and I'm going to go 10 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 4: exploit someone. 11 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 2: We're taking it off more for personal family reasons than 12 00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 2: it's Columbus to Day. 13 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:45,200 Speaker 4: But anyway, you're carefully curated, delightfully entertaining collection of best 14 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 4: of Armstrong and Getty clips coming up. 15 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:50,199 Speaker 3: In moments, So now enjoy the Armstrong and Geddy replay. 16 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 3: Barry Wise, who runs Free Press, got she got offered 17 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 3: a deal several weeks ago from CBS, and everybody knew 18 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 3: about it, paramount and a lot of talk in the 19 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 3: world of media whether she would talk take it or 20 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 3: not because she is a hardcore honest broker, tries to 21 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:11,040 Speaker 3: be an honest broker in the media. That's why she 22 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 3: left the New York Times in the first place, and 23 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 3: she ended up taking the DELCBS. The story is one 24 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 3: hundred and fifty million dollars to acquire her free press thing, 25 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:24,559 Speaker 3: which is quite the story, and commentary magazine writing about 26 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:28,040 Speaker 3: what an amazing media story this really is, and it 27 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:32,479 Speaker 3: is it is, And then Joe is going to talk 28 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:35,200 Speaker 3: a little bit about what the future might look like. 29 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 3: But a couple of notes about Barry Weiss's announcement last 30 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:43,319 Speaker 3: week about the joining together of the Free Press and Paramount. First, 31 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 3: this makes the Free Press one of the most amazing, 32 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 3: entirely organic successes in media history. Barry didn't know that 33 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 3: this was how it was going to turn out or 34 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:55,560 Speaker 3: what was going to turn out when she quit The 35 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 3: New York Times because she felt like they were not 36 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 3: being honest brokers in the news, that they're putting their 37 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 3: thumb on the scale. 38 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 2: For progressivism or liberalism or whatever. 39 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 4: Well, and she believed that there was a market for 40 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 4: being a media traditionalist that is traditional. 41 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:13,799 Speaker 3: That's why I'm excited about this story, because that's kind 42 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 3: of what we try to do, and to know that 43 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 3: there's enough of a market out there. She did it 44 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 3: with three people, including her wife and her sister, and 45 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 3: that then the the response to what she was doing 46 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 3: dictate its growth like any great startup, but moved with 47 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:31,639 Speaker 3: the consumers who were responding to it and made it 48 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 3: its own market. 49 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 2: In her announcement video, Berry says the Free Press had. 50 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 3: One zero point five million subscribers who pay ten dollars 51 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 3: a month. That's one hundred and twenty dollars a year. 52 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:43,359 Speaker 3: So that's more than one hundred and fifty million dollars 53 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 3: in revenue per year. That is quite an amazing and 54 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 3: that's within three years. Went from three employees and this 55 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 3: is what we're going to try to do with journalism 56 00:02:54,880 --> 00:03:00,200 Speaker 3: to that that's absolutely amazing, and it is. It is 57 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 3: one of the biggest media success stories ever, certainly in 58 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 3: this era of can there be any can anybody break through? 59 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:08,639 Speaker 2: Right? 60 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 4: Right, So, fans of the Free Press are a little 61 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:14,520 Speaker 4: concerned about, you know, sell it out going for the 62 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:17,080 Speaker 4: corporate record deal, you know back in the day in 63 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 4: rock and roll fans know what I'm talking about. 64 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 2: But her statements are terrific about it. 65 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:23,800 Speaker 4: Before we get to that, though, speaking of free speech, 66 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:26,800 Speaker 4: I gotta tell you this, So we're getting our house 67 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:29,359 Speaker 4: remodeled and our kitchen hasn't existed for months and so, 68 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 4: and they're doing the floors and the fumes are terrible, 69 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 4: and so we've been eating out a lot and rented 70 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 4: a place near our house because we just can't take 71 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 4: the fumes. But so anyway, we go out for dinner 72 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 4: the other night, and in the table right next to us, 73 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 4: and it was a fairly quiet place, real near the house, 74 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 4: two couples and one of the women talked constantly oddly enough. 75 00:03:56,600 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 4: And this col at least sixty least sixty loud voice, 76 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:04,840 Speaker 4: the kind of voice you can hear two tables way 77 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 4: in a loud place, and this is a quiet restaurant, 78 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 4: never stop talking oddly enough about college football. 79 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 3: Okay, And she was I was going to ask, are 80 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 3: you the sort of person that if you can hear 81 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:16,680 Speaker 3: overhear other people, you can't not pay attention to them. 82 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:19,720 Speaker 4: It is very, very difficult for me to ignore it 83 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:21,839 Speaker 4: because my brain keeps engaging in what they're saying. 84 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 3: That's interesting because some people are like that, like one 85 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:26,680 Speaker 3: of my sons that way. I'm not that way at all. 86 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:28,360 Speaker 3: Somebody can be having a conversation next to me. I 87 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 3: just block it out completely. But I know, like my 88 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 3: sontimes people are having a conversation with you because I'm 89 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 3: not interested in what you're saying. But my son and 90 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:39,800 Speaker 3: his mom they cannot not they can't listen to you 91 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:42,280 Speaker 3: while you're talking to them if somebody else is talking 92 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:43,159 Speaker 3: behind it, right. 93 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:45,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, so I've got a bit of that too. 94 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 4: But so and there's four people at this table. Seriously, 95 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:51,600 Speaker 4: this woman was responsible for ninety six percent of the 96 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 4: verbiage expressed. Okay, just on and on and on so loud, 97 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 4: and I was doing my best to ignore it. It's okay, 98 00:04:57,360 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 4: you know, it's not like she was, you know, Nazism 99 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:04,839 Speaker 4: or anything horrible. It's just so much noise that'd be 100 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 4: more interesting. So finally, you know, they get done, they leave. 101 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 4: We finish our dinner in peace, but because we have 102 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 4: no kitchen. The next night, we go out to our 103 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:15,000 Speaker 4: favorite Mexican place not far from the house, and we 104 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 4: sit down and the waitress comes over and Judy looks 105 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 4: to our right and says, oh my god, no way, yes, really, 106 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 4: same two couples, the same woman prattling on at. 107 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:34,040 Speaker 2: The top of her lone possible. I know. I was like, no, 108 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:36,320 Speaker 2: I mean, that's so possible that they would go out 109 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 2: to eat again. 110 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:43,240 Speaker 3: At a different restaurant the same night as you, and 111 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 3: the same time. 112 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:47,280 Speaker 4: I mean, well, it's not like back when we had 113 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:49,600 Speaker 4: our cabin up in the mountains and there are effectively 114 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 4: four restaurants in town. 115 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 2: No, there're dozens of them. 116 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:55,800 Speaker 4: And they're right at the next table, And she's prattling 117 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:58,839 Speaker 4: on and on this time, oddly enough, about pro football, 118 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:01,360 Speaker 4: and again is extremely knowledgeable. 119 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 2: She's talking about Kirk Cousin's character and why that matter. 120 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 4: But again, I'm at top volume, supplying ninety five percent 121 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 4: of the verbiage at the table. 122 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 3: I don't I don't know if other parents do this, 123 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:15,599 Speaker 3: and maybe I shouldn't be doing it myself, But because 124 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 3: I'm so annoyed by people who dominate conversations like that, 125 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:21,600 Speaker 3: I really have been in tune with that with I 126 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 3: got one kid in particular, where I say, now, now, 127 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 3: I just want you to realize that we all been 128 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 3: sitting here and you've done like ninety percent of the 129 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 3: talking since we sat down, So how about you let 130 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 3: other people talk a little bit because you don't want 131 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:34,919 Speaker 3: to be that person right now? 132 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 2: I absolutely done that. 133 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 3: I always wonder when I meet people like that, like 134 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 3: did nobody ever tell you to look around. There's seven 135 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 3: people at this table. Has anybody else said a word 136 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 3: other than you? Do you think everybody else wants it 137 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:50,360 Speaker 3: that way, that you're the only one who talks. I mean, 138 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:52,160 Speaker 3: nobody ever said that to them their own lives. 139 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 4: Ellen, one of the handful of people I love more 140 00:06:55,279 --> 00:07:01,159 Speaker 4: than anything on earth, had a habit of effecting your 141 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:06,240 Speaker 4: rapt attention, but was visibly uninterested the moment anyone else 142 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 4: started talking. 143 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 2: And we have worked on that as well. But again 144 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 2: that's no. 145 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 4: I think that's that's good parenting, that's good to mentoring. 146 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 2: All right, So back to the Free Press. 147 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 4: Let's see, it's rather a long email that Barry Rice 148 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 4: Oweiss wrote. If you're not familiar, it's B A R I. 149 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 4: By the way, before you get into it, Like I. 150 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 3: Said last week, I haven't been worried about because I 151 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 3: think her whole shtick. I mean, she risked her entire 152 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 3: career leaving the New York Times. 153 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 2: She is not going to all of a sudden roll 154 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 2: over and and and not do what she's been doing. 155 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 4: In my opinion, Yeah, and she goes into the philosophy 156 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 4: behind the free press. We would marry the quality of 157 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 4: the old world to the freedom of the new. We 158 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 4: would seek the truth and tell it plainly, and we 159 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 4: would treat readers like adults capable of making their own choices. 160 00:07:57,240 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 4: Again the Armstrong and Getty formula as well. At least 161 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 4: that's what we try to do. And she gets into 162 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 4: the fact that she was told over and over that's impossible. 163 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 4: The only way to go is just complete, flaming, one 164 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:11,560 Speaker 4: hundred percent partisanship, and she mentions, as of today, I 165 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:14,840 Speaker 4: am editor in chief. Oh, she says, I'll continue to 166 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 4: lead this incredible community alongside my tireless team, remaining CEO 167 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:21,119 Speaker 4: and editor in chief, but I'll be taking on another 168 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 4: title too. As of today, I'm an editor in chief 169 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 4: of CBS News, working with new colleagues on the programs 170 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 4: that have impacted American culture for generations, like sixty Minutes 171 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 4: Sunday Morning, shaping how millions of Americans read, listen, watch, 172 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 4: and more importantly, understand the news in the twenty first century. 173 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:40,679 Speaker 4: And as I speculated last week, she's absolutely hardcore, remaining 174 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:44,480 Speaker 4: true to her principles. But she points out, excuse me 175 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 4: that this new partnership and the money involved gives the 176 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 4: free Press, which will continue to be the free Press, 177 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:54,439 Speaker 4: even more resources to do big you know, like long 178 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:58,440 Speaker 4: term reporting. You work on this for six months and 179 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 4: bring us the big store stuff that's vanishing from today's news. 180 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 4: And she is going to work like crazy to turn 181 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 4: CBS News back into a news organization and not a 182 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:13,719 Speaker 4: partisanship organization. 183 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 1: Well. 184 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 3: I don't know if you saw the first story on 185 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 3: sixty minutes last night, but the first story was about 186 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:24,840 Speaker 3: featuring parents whose kids have these horrible lives. Now it 187 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:29,679 Speaker 3: looks like because of vaccinations they got oh that they 188 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:32,120 Speaker 3: didn't interact well with. Now that's I don't think that's 189 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:34,080 Speaker 3: a story sixty minutes would have done last year. 190 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 2: No. 191 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:37,720 Speaker 4: No, So final note from Barry I think for now 192 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 4: is she says, as proud as we are of the 193 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:42,559 Speaker 4: one point five million subscribers who have joined under the 194 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 4: banner of the Free Press, and we are astonished at 195 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 4: that number. This is a country with three hundred and 196 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 4: forty million people. We want our work to reach more 197 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 4: of them as quickly as possible. That is actually believe 198 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:55,440 Speaker 4: she means that that is something. Though to start out now, 199 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:58,199 Speaker 4: she had a very high profile start because of leaving. 200 00:09:58,000 --> 00:09:58,600 Speaker 2: The New York Times. 201 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:01,800 Speaker 3: It got so much attention, So it's not like, you know, 202 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:05,240 Speaker 3: just any random persons with a startup media empire. 203 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 2: But that's still amazingly impressive growth. Yeah. 204 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:10,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, And if you're not a subscribery, you know you 205 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 4: hear some of their content here. But it's it's terrific 206 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 4: old style journalism. They say stuff that challenges my beliefs 207 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 4: all the time. They frequently, frequently challenge the views of 208 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:28,679 Speaker 4: the half wit progressive, incurious media, I mean every single day. 209 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 3: Right, and I'm sure they're wrong sometimes I don't care 210 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:34,520 Speaker 3: if you're wrong. If I believe that you're at least 211 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 3: trying to get the story out correctly. 212 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 2: That's your goal, right well. 213 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 4: And to their credit, if they are quote unquote wrong 214 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:46,719 Speaker 4: about something, either Beholder one of their other people will 215 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 4: write a piece saying, hey, Jimmy, you're wrong about this 216 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 4: and here's why I think so, and they'll publish it, yeah, 217 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 4: with a link to the original piece, and then often 218 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 4: they'll have a little dialogue between the two. Trust again, 219 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 4: trusting adults to way ideas like adult the. 220 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:06,240 Speaker 1: Armstrong and Getty Show, or your show podcasts and our 221 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 1: hot links. 222 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:12,000 Speaker 4: So, speaking of classrooms, I wanted to talk a little 223 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:17,200 Speaker 4: bit about media and information bubbles, and I was gonna 224 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:20,960 Speaker 4: mention that, well, I did mention on the air the 225 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:23,000 Speaker 4: other day that a friend of mine has a professional 226 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:25,880 Speaker 4: relationship with a person and it would not be appropriate 227 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 4: for my friend to call them out and disagree with 228 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:31,680 Speaker 4: them on politics. But this person was commenting on the 229 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 4: Charlie Kirk assassination. And this fella, who my friend identified 230 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:41,080 Speaker 4: as a very nice guy and quite reasonably Brian, just 231 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:44,679 Speaker 4: an overall good dude, was one hundred percent convinced that 232 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 4: the young man who killed Charlie Kirk was a flag 233 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:54,200 Speaker 4: waving maga conservative who resented Charlie for not being maga enough. 234 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:56,240 Speaker 2: Was completely convinced of that. 235 00:11:56,960 --> 00:11:59,720 Speaker 4: And I'm saving it for a campus madness update, probably 236 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:03,040 Speaker 4: in a mon But the head of the Association of 237 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:07,719 Speaker 4: University Professors, which is tens of thousands of university professors, 238 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:11,240 Speaker 4: was out the other day saying, oh, yeah, absolutely, it 239 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:14,440 Speaker 4: was a right wing activist who killed Charlie Kirk, and 240 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 4: exactly the same thing. And if there's a theme to this, 241 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:23,080 Speaker 4: and I've got a couple more like exhibits, it's that 242 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:28,200 Speaker 4: a lot of folks who think some crazys. They're probably 243 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 4: not bad people, but they're used to looking in some 244 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:39,240 Speaker 4: fairly normal, mainstreamish places for information and what they're getting 245 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:41,439 Speaker 4: is just wildly inaccurate. 246 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:42,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's interesting. 247 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:45,360 Speaker 3: I'm thinking of a couple of people I know who 248 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 3: have really warped views of what's going on in the world. 249 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 3: It's not because they're bad, it's just because of where 250 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:52,320 Speaker 3: they go to get their information. 251 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 4: Right, and so choice. Yeah, yeah, and you got to 252 00:12:57,440 --> 00:13:00,560 Speaker 4: be a better consumer of news. But maybe theme, the 253 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 4: overall theme is when you're running to people who think 254 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:07,760 Speaker 4: this crazy stuff, it could well be they've just never 255 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 4: heard an alternative explanation, and be nice. Be what we 256 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:16,800 Speaker 4: on the right tend to be, which is I'll listen 257 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:18,680 Speaker 4: to you now if you don't mind, can you listen 258 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:20,600 Speaker 4: to me because I haven't heard you know? 259 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:22,679 Speaker 2: How about if I go with back away slowly and 260 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:25,280 Speaker 2: keep my eye on their hands. 261 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:31,680 Speaker 4: A lot of war two free Beacon. Let mean the 262 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:37,640 Speaker 4: major AI platforms which have emerged as significant American news sources, 263 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 4: especially for the young, describe Charlie Kirk's assassination as motivated 264 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:45,959 Speaker 4: by right wing ideology and downplay left wing violence as 265 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:49,839 Speaker 4: quote exceptionally rare. According to the Free Beacon, when I 266 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:54,079 Speaker 4: asked the name recent assassination in the US motivated by 267 00:13:54,200 --> 00:14:01,080 Speaker 4: right wing ideology, multiple chat bots, including chat g Google's 268 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 4: Gemini Perplexity all listed Charlie Kirk's murder as a right 269 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:06,600 Speaker 4: wing act of violence. 270 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 2: Well, obviously, Jimmy Kimmel got misled by this. 271 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 4: He seemed to actually believe that Gemini's chatbot made the 272 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:18,000 Speaker 4: provably false statement that quote. The assassination of conservative active 273 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:20,240 Speaker 4: as Charlie Kirk in September of twenty five has been 274 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:23,520 Speaker 4: identified by researchers as the only fatal right wing terrorist 275 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:25,840 Speaker 4: incident in the US during the first half of twenty 276 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 4: twenty five, and they go into some detail. Keep in 277 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 4: mind that a recent Free Beacon analysis we talked about 278 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 4: this on the air found that Al Jazeera was one 279 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 4: of the two most popular sources used by AI chatbots 280 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:44,280 Speaker 4: for news about the Israel Hamas war, and there were 281 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:50,680 Speaker 4: zero Israel learn leaning sites that were in their top ten. 282 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 4: I think it was so garbage in, garbage out. Then 283 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:58,920 Speaker 4: you've got Hannah Nicole Jones, Nicole Hannah Jones, whatever her 284 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 4: name is, a New York Times, the crazy Lady, the 285 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:08,800 Speaker 4: racist who came out with a sixteen nineteen project, wrote 286 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:13,600 Speaker 4: recently that public mourning for Kirk is unsettling. In the 287 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 4: wake of Kirk's death, individuals and institutions across the nation 288 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 4: moved not just to condemn his killings in political violence, 289 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 4: but to venerate him. It was unsettling to see many 290 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:27,240 Speaker 4: politicians from across the political spectrum speak with reverence about Kirk. 291 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:32,960 Speaker 4: And she went on to describe how he was a 292 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 4: man who spread hate, said black women lacked the brain 293 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 4: processing power to otherwise be taken seriously, which is a 294 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:47,920 Speaker 4: deliberate misquoting of Charlie And again that's in the New 295 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:54,680 Speaker 4: York Times. Wow, flamingly. You know, liberal obviously, but you 296 00:15:54,720 --> 00:16:00,240 Speaker 4: could be a person serious about getting your information and 297 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 4: be completely misled. 298 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:05,920 Speaker 3: Well, on the same story, but a different version of it. 299 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 3: I was talking to somebody yesterday who is completely into 300 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 3: this story that that poor kid in Utah is going 301 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:17,760 Speaker 3: to be executed for something he didn't do. He was framed. 302 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 2: He was a patsy like Lee Harvey Hoswald. 303 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 3: That the the FBI planted that gun and they're pinning 304 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 3: it on him, and it was the masade working with 305 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 3: our FBI to Charlie killed Charlie Kirk and they're gonna 306 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 3: pin it on this kid, and this poor kid is 307 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:34,640 Speaker 3: going to be executed. And how I mean this person 308 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 3: was upset that this innocent kid is going to be 309 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:40,920 Speaker 3: executed for something he didn't do. 310 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:44,040 Speaker 2: God unplugged the Internet. And I think that comes from 311 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 2: the Candace Owen's crowd. Yeah, yeah, I was just gonna 312 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:48,280 Speaker 2: ask that. 313 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, final note on this topic, because Nelly 314 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 4: Bowles is so great writing in the free press and 315 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 4: the left. 316 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 2: Yes, but why so, like, why for you and I? 317 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 3: Is it so obviously he was half crazy also upset 318 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:08,160 Speaker 3: about the trans thing, but he's dating a trans person 319 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:11,320 Speaker 3: and blah blah blah suicidal And I just believe that story. 320 00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:12,960 Speaker 3: Why do you think you and I are the way 321 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:15,119 Speaker 3: we are on that story? Which I believe is the 322 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:15,879 Speaker 3: accurate version. 323 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 2: By the way, I don't know. 324 00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:27,880 Speaker 5: A judge gave the man who attempted to assassinate Brett 325 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:32,360 Speaker 5: Kavanaugh only eight years in prison after he began identifying 326 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 5: as a woman. You don't say, said the Menendez sisters. 327 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:44,960 Speaker 4: That's a good joke, That's a well crafted joke. 328 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, I've got a question about upf's ultra processed foods 329 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:52,960 Speaker 3: Joe has been trying to scarce about for quite some time, 330 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:58,359 Speaker 3: and I'm sure it's true that whenever you're eating something 331 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:03,480 Speaker 3: that's got a list of fifty ingredients, you can't have 332 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:05,160 Speaker 3: no idea what they are, that it's probably not good 333 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:07,800 Speaker 3: for you. And lately they've been saying that, like this 334 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:10,120 Speaker 3: is really really bad for us, right, like this could 335 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:12,240 Speaker 3: be this could be a lot of what all our 336 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:13,960 Speaker 3: problems are obesity and health. 337 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:16,000 Speaker 2: This isn't it food addiction. 338 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:19,200 Speaker 3: But I often think in addition to all the ingredients, 339 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:22,240 Speaker 3: just stuff that's like sealed in a bag or whatever. 340 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 2: Is probably that. 341 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:25,920 Speaker 3: But like the kettle chips, like the healthier potato chips, 342 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:30,399 Speaker 3: you get to look at the ingredients and it's just potatoes, oil, salt, 343 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 3: that's the only thing on there. Does that mean it 344 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:35,120 Speaker 3: is an ultra processed or is it just a slightly 345 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:36,880 Speaker 3: better version of ul because. 346 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 2: It's still in one of those bags sealed up that 347 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:42,119 Speaker 2: the food would stay fresh for the next one hundred. 348 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:46,159 Speaker 4: And fifty years, which doesn't do those The more you know, 349 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 4: basic down to earth potato chips, do they have that 350 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:49,280 Speaker 4: long shelf life? 351 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:50,640 Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know that either. 352 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:53,679 Speaker 4: Actually, it's hell better for you than the ones that 353 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 4: have a zillion ingredients chemicals and stuff. 354 00:18:56,359 --> 00:18:57,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, I actually bought some chips. 355 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:01,119 Speaker 3: I was watching the Tucker Carlson nine to eleven documentary 356 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:02,440 Speaker 3: that I assume is going to end up. 357 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:03,399 Speaker 2: It was the Jews. 358 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:06,919 Speaker 3: I haven't finished it yet, but Tucker was doing an 359 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:08,800 Speaker 3: endorsement just like we do on the radio, for some 360 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:11,119 Speaker 3: healthy chip and I actually he talked me into it. 361 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 3: I bought someone. They come in the mail this week 362 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:15,960 Speaker 3: and I'll try them up. I'm all for trying to 363 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:18,680 Speaker 3: get away from that ultra process stuff. Eat eat way 364 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 3: way through. I've been looking at my bread. It's hard 365 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:24,600 Speaker 3: to buy bread. Bread's a tough one because my experience 366 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 3: has been if you buy bread that doesn't have a 367 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:28,640 Speaker 3: million ingredients, it's fresh. 368 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:29,200 Speaker 2: For like a day. 369 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:31,880 Speaker 3: Either got to eat that day and make your sandwich 370 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:32,879 Speaker 3: or forget about it. 371 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 4: I eat homemade whole grain bread because I'm better than you. 372 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:39,199 Speaker 4: And yeah, we keep it in the freezer because we 373 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:42,880 Speaker 4: have to. You bring it out and let it thaw 374 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:44,600 Speaker 4: on the countertop if you're going to walk the dog 375 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:46,119 Speaker 4: or something like that, or pop it in the toaster 376 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:48,480 Speaker 4: for a minute, minute and a half just to get 377 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:51,560 Speaker 4: the frostiness off of it. But yeah, you have to 378 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:54,359 Speaker 4: at least refrigerate it and probably freeze it. 379 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 2: I don't know if I can plan that far ahead 380 00:19:56,520 --> 00:20:00,760 Speaker 2: on my bread. If a minute, don't you just no minute? 381 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:03,199 Speaker 2: It takes. It only takes a minute to thaw out 382 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:06,160 Speaker 2: your bread. Yeah in a toaster? Sure, Oh you toa 383 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:08,919 Speaker 2: in it and a half? Okay, yes, Michael, didn't you 384 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:10,960 Speaker 2: just eat a white wonderbread and that's all you eat. 385 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:12,680 Speaker 3: That's generally what I've been eating. But I'm trying to 386 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:16,159 Speaker 3: get away from the ultra processed food, and bread's a 387 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:16,639 Speaker 3: tough one. 388 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 2: I love sandwiches, man, I think you'll be happy with it. 389 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:21,760 Speaker 4: So a little featurette here might have to go into 390 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:24,960 Speaker 4: the next segment, but that's fine. Politico was out with 391 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 4: a report a private polling memo run by the DNC. 392 00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:33,119 Speaker 4: I think one of their big consultant groups are pushing 393 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:36,679 Speaker 4: their candidates to go on the offense on crime ahead 394 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:39,840 Speaker 4: of the twenty twenty six mid terms, because that's one 395 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:44,639 Speaker 4: of the weakest electoral issues, and that is I'm not 396 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 4: sure exactly how they're going to go about that, but 397 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:52,800 Speaker 4: it was shared exclusively with Politico. The battle Ground District 398 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:57,680 Speaker 4: survey from Global Strategy Group nonprofit blah blah blah offers 399 00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:01,760 Speaker 4: a bleak assessment of Democrats. Starting point, eighty nine percent 400 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:05,520 Speaker 4: of the likely voters surveyed want their Congress member to 401 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:08,800 Speaker 4: take steps to keep them safe, but only thirty eight 402 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:13,720 Speaker 4: percent trust Democrats over Republicans with that task. Voters also 403 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:17,399 Speaker 4: reported preferring Republicans to Democrats with preventing and reducing crime 404 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:20,840 Speaker 4: and cracking down on violent crime, gaps that grew among 405 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 4: swing voters, but the voters swung toward Democrats in all 406 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:31,480 Speaker 4: four categories after hearing messaging acknowledging crime is a problem 407 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:36,640 Speaker 4: and showing steps the party is taken to increase safety. Specifically, 408 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:40,480 Speaker 4: pollsters cited cracking down on gun trafficking and strengthening firearm 409 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:45,040 Speaker 4: background checks, and if you emphasize that the Democrats are 410 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:47,399 Speaker 4: doing that, the poll numbers change a lot. 411 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 2: Plus. 412 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:53,440 Speaker 4: The persuasion efforts include criticisms of GOP cuts to gun 413 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:57,160 Speaker 4: violence prevention funding, the Trump administration's attempts to roll back 414 00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:01,159 Speaker 4: firearm regulations, and Republicans ties to pro gun groups. So 415 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:07,320 Speaker 4: the whole gun control thing is about to be one 416 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 4: of the loudest issues in America again. But when you 417 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 4: give him just a little talking to, there was a 418 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:18,879 Speaker 4: double digit swing among voters. So they're going to be 419 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 4: hammering on that apparently, and sending around the usual spate 420 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:26,000 Speaker 4: of speakers calling for gun control, which will never and 421 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:29,000 Speaker 4: has never squared with the Second Amendment. But they don't 422 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:30,600 Speaker 4: talk about that because they don't care. They just want 423 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:31,520 Speaker 4: to win the next election. 424 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:34,199 Speaker 2: Are you moving on from polling because I have an 425 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:36,520 Speaker 2: interesting poll thing. Yeah, good, go ahead. 426 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:40,679 Speaker 3: This was on CNN yesterday. This is about Trump's approval 427 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:44,359 Speaker 3: rating in general. This was on CNN again. They're pointing 428 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 3: out that he's hanging around the mid forties. And I'll 429 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:54,280 Speaker 3: just quote the analyst they had on CNN as they 430 00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:56,440 Speaker 3: had the numbers up on the board. Trump is basically 431 00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 3: doing what the American people thought that he was going 432 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 3: to do. Indeed, if you look at the numbers, Trump 433 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:06,320 Speaker 3: is basically the steadiest favorability rating at this point in 434 00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:09,880 Speaker 3: the presidency of any president on record, and it's basically 435 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:12,360 Speaker 3: where he was a year ago, good enough to get 436 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:13,119 Speaker 3: him reelected. 437 00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:13,920 Speaker 2: At the time. 438 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:20,120 Speaker 3: All the news, almost all of it negative about Trump 439 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:25,440 Speaker 3: he's just hung around forty three forty four percent, steadier 440 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:29,720 Speaker 3: than any president that has been recorded through the first 441 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:30,439 Speaker 3: nine months. 442 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:33,000 Speaker 2: And he was at this number when he got reelected. 443 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 2: So that's pretty amazing. I don't know, it is amazing. 444 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 3: I don't know if that's just because our dials are 445 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:41,040 Speaker 3: stuck regardless of who it is, or it's something special 446 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:41,960 Speaker 3: about Trump or whatever. 447 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,919 Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, it's it's interesting. Nonetheless. 448 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:49,040 Speaker 4: So speaking of crime, Jason Riley, brilliant columnist for the 449 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:52,119 Speaker 4: Wall Street Journal who wrote a great book. He just 450 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:55,480 Speaker 4: wrote another thing, a column about public housing and how 451 00:23:55,640 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 4: miserable how the progressives insisted that the poor black neighborhoo 452 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:04,440 Speaker 4: hoods be torn down in the fifties and sixties, especially 453 00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:10,199 Speaker 4: literally torn down, everybody given what the government said their 454 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:13,639 Speaker 4: place was worth, and then all put in giant public 455 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:18,040 Speaker 4: housing projects. That was the progressive solution to the black 456 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:21,439 Speaker 4: poverty problem. And I'd really like to get into this 457 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:23,679 Speaker 4: at length, but the one point he makes that is 458 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:26,680 Speaker 4: incredibly powerful is, yeah, they gave him the minimum a 459 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:30,080 Speaker 4: judge would let them, the government give them for their properties. 460 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:34,840 Speaker 4: They missed out on every penny of future appreciation of 461 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:39,120 Speaker 4: the value of those properties, they lost their businesses. There 462 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 4: was a great system of upward mobility within those black neighborhoods. 463 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:49,080 Speaker 4: There's like totally stunted upward mobility in the progressive designed 464 00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:54,080 Speaker 4: public housing projects and the public financing thing. Anyway, that's 465 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:57,040 Speaker 4: a discussion for another day. But he wrote a couple 466 00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:58,440 Speaker 4: of weeks ago, and I held on to it because 467 00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:02,400 Speaker 4: it's so good. He's talking about policing and how more 468 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:08,600 Speaker 4: policing means less crime, and Black people proportionately have way 469 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:12,840 Speaker 4: bigger benefits than any other people in America from more policing, 470 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:14,399 Speaker 4: not the opposite. 471 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:16,280 Speaker 2: It's great for them. 472 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:21,200 Speaker 4: And he talks about Brandon Johnson saying that we can't 473 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:23,639 Speaker 4: arrest our way out of poverty, and we need more 474 00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:27,280 Speaker 4: affordable housing, not more police. And then Jason gets into 475 00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:31,600 Speaker 4: my favorite part of this. That point of view is 476 00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:33,919 Speaker 4: held widely on the left that crime can mostly be 477 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:35,879 Speaker 4: blamed on poverty. You hear it all the time in 478 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:38,720 Speaker 4: blue states. In this respect, it's the mayor's views that 479 00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 4: are out of touch. Not only are most poor people 480 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 4: not criminals, but the most impoverished communities in the US 481 00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:47,800 Speaker 4: are not the most violent. Further, violent crime was significantly 482 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:51,800 Speaker 4: lower in earlier eras when poor Americans were materially much 483 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:55,480 Speaker 4: worse off than they are today. If anything, more evidence 484 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:58,840 Speaker 4: points to crime driving poverty than the other way around. 485 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:01,440 Speaker 4: And this is the part that my god, I wish 486 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:04,480 Speaker 4: the Republican Party was any good at communicating with people. 487 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:08,600 Speaker 4: Merchants are more likely to abandon lawless neighborhoods. 488 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:11,280 Speaker 2: How many times have we seen that recently? 489 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:14,880 Speaker 4: All the damn time where operating costs are hire taking 490 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:19,080 Speaker 4: employment opportunities and economic activity with them. As businesses leave, 491 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:23,359 Speaker 4: the tax based shrinks, property values decline, and public services suffer. 492 00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:26,040 Speaker 4: In the forties and fifties, the homicide rate for black 493 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:30,080 Speaker 4: mails fell by double digits, and black incomes rose faster 494 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:31,440 Speaker 4: than white incomes. 495 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:34,160 Speaker 2: This is the forties and fifties. 496 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:38,280 Speaker 4: Safer neighborhoods are conducive to upward mobility, and police help 497 00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:39,800 Speaker 4: keep neighborhoods safe. 498 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:42,199 Speaker 2: And then my favorite part is this. 499 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,760 Speaker 4: We are not going to eliminate crime or poverty anytime soon, 500 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:48,160 Speaker 4: but there are better and worse ways to address both. 501 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:54,160 Speaker 4: Family makeup and education play important roles in reducing social pathology. 502 00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:56,720 Speaker 2: Cultural habits and attitudes matter. 503 00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:00,679 Speaker 4: Single parent households were a minority of all black households 504 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:03,640 Speaker 4: for most of the twentieth century. The welfare state expansion 505 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:07,600 Speaker 4: of the sixties and seventies, which subsidized irresponsible, self destructive behavior, 506 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:11,160 Speaker 4: led to social retrogressions that some Black communities still haven't 507 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,800 Speaker 4: recovered from more than fifty years later. 508 00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:20,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I have very strong opinions about this whole thing. 509 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:24,639 Speaker 3: I think the breakdown of the American family is the 510 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:29,600 Speaker 3: cause of tons of our problems. And nobody wants to 511 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:33,840 Speaker 3: talk about it because they feel like it be mean, 512 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:37,000 Speaker 3: or they're participating themselves. 513 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:39,440 Speaker 2: Or they're blaming the victim or something. Yeah, and nobody 514 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:42,200 Speaker 2: wants to talk about it. Hey, households to stay together 515 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:43,399 Speaker 2: do way better. 516 00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:46,600 Speaker 3: Kids do better, parents do better, everybody does better, neighborhood 517 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,199 Speaker 3: does better. It's just better all the way around. But 518 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:51,000 Speaker 3: that's not a popular thing to talk about. 519 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:53,240 Speaker 4: And then one of the last things Jason writes on 520 00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:57,159 Speaker 4: this topic, he quotes our hero, the great thinker, Thomas Sowell, 521 00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:00,959 Speaker 4: another black man, what It's worth All remarked, when you 522 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:06,280 Speaker 4: take away stable families, decent schools, and safe streets, there's 523 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:15,479 Speaker 4: nothing left. Stable families, decent schools, and safe streets. How 524 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:18,000 Speaker 4: are the Democrats doing on those three things. I'll let 525 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:21,280 Speaker 4: you answer for yourself. It's good talk about people would 526 00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:24,680 Speaker 4: listen to. And Jason Riley, yeah, you know. And one 527 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:26,399 Speaker 4: final note, we don't really have time for this, but 528 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:33,440 Speaker 4: a study has come out that there's there's an old 529 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:37,040 Speaker 4: saying among lefties that zip code is destiny, and it 530 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:40,920 Speaker 4: turns out that complete bunk it all has to do 531 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:46,000 Speaker 4: with family, education and safety. 532 00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:46,840 Speaker 2: What does that mean? 533 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,440 Speaker 3: Zip code is destiny that like where you were born, 534 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:50,880 Speaker 3: it determines your life. 535 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, Well, it's nuts. 536 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:55,880 Speaker 4: It's a zip code is destiny, and that's the major 537 00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:58,440 Speaker 4: source of inequality in the US. The rich stay rich, 538 00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:00,880 Speaker 4: the poor stay poor, and you've got to get the 539 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:04,080 Speaker 4: poor kids, you know, bust them to other neighborhoods and 540 00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:06,800 Speaker 4: other schools and stuff like that. And some of that 541 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:11,080 Speaker 4: may be somewhat effective sometimes, but again to your point, 542 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:14,280 Speaker 4: nobody wants to talk about the family. 543 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:25,280 Speaker 6: That campaign that you all launched pretending that you were 544 00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:30,440 Speaker 6: going to cancel Hulu while secretly racing through four seasons 545 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:35,000 Speaker 6: of only murders in the building. I really was congratulations, 546 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,560 Speaker 6: wasn't it? Wasn't it interesting to try and figure out 547 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:42,160 Speaker 6: all the tentacles Disney has in your daily life. It's 548 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:46,640 Speaker 6: one thing to swear off cruises, but the Avengers. Nah, 549 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,320 Speaker 6: how is it possible that by getting rid of one company, 550 00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:55,120 Speaker 6: I can't watch Winnie the Pooh or Monday Night Football. 551 00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:58,600 Speaker 3: That is pretty funny when you think about, oh, I'm 552 00:29:58,600 --> 00:29:59,680 Speaker 3: going to boycott Disney. 553 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,480 Speaker 2: Have you looked into what that means? Right? 554 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:09,760 Speaker 4: Why were they gonna boycott Disney because canceled Kimmel? All right, yeah, 555 00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:12,200 Speaker 4: that was the hotest story among back crowd for the 556 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:15,760 Speaker 4: last week. So people were so, you're gonna cancel your Hulu, 557 00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:19,360 Speaker 4: your Disney trip, not watch the Avengers or Monday Night 558 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:23,240 Speaker 4: Football or yeah, that's his point. You got a boycott Disney, 559 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:25,840 Speaker 4: a tiny flash and a stupid pan. 560 00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:29,560 Speaker 2: You know, you probably don't remember this. 561 00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:32,200 Speaker 4: A couple of years ago, I came across a really 562 00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:37,720 Speaker 4: good comprehensive chart. I guess it was of Disney Corporation 563 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:41,320 Speaker 4: and it's holdings, and as I was describing at the time, 564 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:48,680 Speaker 4: it makes Exxon or GM look like your corner coffee shop. 565 00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:53,720 Speaker 4: It is all the stuff, you know, lots of media stuff. 566 00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:57,960 Speaker 4: As John Stewart was pointing out that you didn't realize hotels, 567 00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:01,840 Speaker 4: all in conference centers all all over the world, branded 568 00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:09,200 Speaker 4: Disney and many not branded Disney. MANU factoring, just accounting processing, 569 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:10,760 Speaker 4: just like they. 570 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:14,120 Speaker 2: Have their The mouse is not a mouse, he's. 571 00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:21,440 Speaker 4: An eight hundred pound gorilla, giant soul crushing, just calculating corporation. 572 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:23,800 Speaker 2: The fact that they've still got the image of that's 573 00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:24,880 Speaker 2: the happiest pleasure on earth. 574 00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:28,800 Speaker 4: Come with your smile at kids is really quite an accomplishment. 575 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:30,920 Speaker 2: You almost have to admire it. That's right. I'm a 576 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:34,760 Speaker 2: pretty big effing deal. Move out of the way. Oh 577 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:39,240 Speaker 2: crush you like I crushed goofy. You don't hear much 578 00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:42,640 Speaker 2: from him anymore, do Yeah? Jeez, put his head and device. 579 00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:47,560 Speaker 3: I got a follow up on the banning marriages among 580 00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:51,360 Speaker 3: first cousins in Connecticut. Gotta follow that story. Didn't see 581 00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:54,440 Speaker 3: that coming from one angle of the controversy. That actually 582 00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:58,200 Speaker 3: makes sense to me. Why would you ban gay. 583 00:31:58,360 --> 00:31:59,800 Speaker 2: First cousins from getting married. 584 00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:02,520 Speaker 3: It's about to having kids, so I can't A couple 585 00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:04,360 Speaker 3: of dudes who are first cousins who fall in love 586 00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:05,040 Speaker 3: with each other. 587 00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,840 Speaker 4: A little weird, uh, decided to get married. Why not 588 00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:12,360 Speaker 4: make Thanksgiving dinner a little uncomfortable. That's where the controversy 589 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:14,840 Speaker 4: comes in. So anyway, more on that and a whole 590 00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:15,800 Speaker 4: bunch of other stuff later. 591 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:16,840 Speaker 2: Wow. 592 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:20,000 Speaker 4: Okay, So speaking of controversies, I found this very interesting, 593 00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,760 Speaker 4: particularly because we got a couple of females asking about it. 594 00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:23,640 Speaker 2: Uh. 595 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:28,680 Speaker 4: You remember the Colorado bake shop who refused to make 596 00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:33,800 Speaker 4: a gig for a gay wedding, and there have been 597 00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:36,040 Speaker 4: a couple other cases like this. There was a giant 598 00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:39,959 Speaker 4: Supreme Court ruling right and which what they ruled that 599 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:41,840 Speaker 4: he could say no to making the cake. 600 00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:44,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, yeah, And I'm getting to that. 601 00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,560 Speaker 4: It was made a huge cause by the left who 602 00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:50,800 Speaker 4: was screaming no, it's discrimination, and what the Supreme Court 603 00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:55,479 Speaker 4: decided quite correctly in my opinion, And I don't have 604 00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:57,360 Speaker 4: the decisions in front of me, so forgive me if 605 00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:00,840 Speaker 4: my paraphrasing's a little off. Actual attorneys, But if you 606 00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:03,120 Speaker 4: are asking somebody. 607 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:04,440 Speaker 2: To engage in. 608 00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:11,960 Speaker 4: Create the creative arts, an act of sell of expression 609 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:15,680 Speaker 4: and creation, as opposed to say, pressing go on a 610 00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:20,760 Speaker 4: copy machine, they cannot be compelled to engage in that 611 00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:24,520 Speaker 4: speech because compelled speech is as bad as censored speech. 612 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:29,760 Speaker 4: So you cannot force me to write a song or well, 613 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,480 Speaker 4: you cannot compel me to agree to write a song 614 00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:37,320 Speaker 4: zorin mum danmi will save New York. I won't do it. 615 00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:40,280 Speaker 4: I won't take money for it. I won't create that. 616 00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:44,320 Speaker 4: And that's good because the First Amendment protects you against 617 00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:44,960 Speaker 4: compelled space. 618 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:48,960 Speaker 3: But you couldn't say I won't sell you this cardboard 619 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,960 Speaker 3: to make signs, because that's a commodity. 620 00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:54,800 Speaker 4: That's not a creative expression. So you got this case 621 00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:59,320 Speaker 4: in Kalamazoo, Michigan, one of our more amusingly named cities 622 00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:04,000 Speaker 4: in America. Kalamazoo. Here's this twenty one year old duty. 623 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,400 Speaker 4: He's the head of the Kalamazoo Young Republicans. He's running 624 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:10,239 Speaker 4: errands getting ready for a vigil honoring Charlie Kirk. One 625 00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:13,040 Speaker 4: of his stops was at his local office depot to 626 00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:16,920 Speaker 4: print a poster that was a picture of Charlie in 627 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,600 Speaker 4: black and white and said the legendary Charlie Kirk nineteen 628 00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:26,400 Speaker 4: ninety three twenty five. And some folks there at the 629 00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:31,880 Speaker 4: home depot refuse to print it, calling it propaganda. Okay, 630 00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:36,080 Speaker 4: so two and a home depot fired the employees in 631 00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:38,600 Speaker 4: issue of public apology. So there are two levels of 632 00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:41,480 Speaker 4: two questions here. One is the first mention, sure did, 633 00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:45,560 Speaker 4: I'm sure they've got Hey, just if somebody comes in 634 00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:47,800 Speaker 4: and wants to make just make the freaking. 635 00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:50,120 Speaker 2: Copy and send them out the door, you freaking morh. 636 00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:53,719 Speaker 4: Nobody cares what you think, including me. I think you 637 00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:57,239 Speaker 4: are go go So anyway, there's two questions here. The 638 00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:59,799 Speaker 4: first one is the First Amendment question, which I think 639 00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:03,040 Speaker 4: I'm more or less dealt with. Pressing go on copy 640 00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:07,280 Speaker 4: machine is not the same as painting a portrait, writing 641 00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:12,560 Speaker 4: a song, painstakingly decorating a cake, which is an artistic expression. 642 00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:16,080 Speaker 2: And the second question is, and there are people on 643 00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:17,280 Speaker 2: the left saying, oh. 644 00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:20,080 Speaker 4: Your conservatives, you're defending the baker blah blah blah. 645 00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:22,440 Speaker 2: But no, are these poor guys you can fire from 646 00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:24,680 Speaker 2: the home people. No. The second question is. 647 00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:32,480 Speaker 4: Does a giant corporation must they employ jackasses will say 648 00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:34,839 Speaker 4: I'm not hitting go on this printer because I don't 649 00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:35,919 Speaker 4: like your politics. 650 00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:37,680 Speaker 2: It's a completely different question.