1 00:00:03,960 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 1: Welcome to the best podcast available Training camp Etition. Here 2 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:12,039 Speaker 1: are your hosts, Jason Gibbs, Andrew Gribble, and Nick Shook. 3 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:20,560 Speaker 1: Welcome into a Tuesday edition of the best podcast available 4 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:23,960 Speaker 1: on Jason Gibbs, He's Nick Shook, He's Andrew Gribble. Just 5 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 1: a few more days in the hat for the grips 6 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 1: and he's looking forward to it. Uh, you got a 7 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:32,479 Speaker 1: little facial hair going. Yeah, it's this is just campus 8 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:35,879 Speaker 1: hit total wall. Like I I went in last night 9 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 1: to the house and we're dealing with the basement issue 10 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:42,720 Speaker 1: and worked moving around furniture and I just I literally 11 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:44,920 Speaker 1: was just staring blankly at the wall, like while we're 12 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 1: doing just hit a wall. And the thought of shaving 13 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 1: takes takes like motivation, like it's I'll be I'll be 14 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 1: cleaning proper for this temperature. Yeah, that's uh. And you 15 00:00:56,280 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 1: always have to figure out I can't shave then shave 16 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 1: the next day. So I'm like, all right, I woke 17 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:05,200 Speaker 1: up this morning, I'm looking to go. It's been like 18 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:07,480 Speaker 1: three or four days. Yeah, I gotta go one more day. 19 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 1: I gotta shave Wednesday Thursdays the travel day shave on 20 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 1: Friday for games see the horror. The horror with that 21 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:17,120 Speaker 1: struck me last night after I shaved my head yesterday 22 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 1: when I got home, because as I'm laying in bed, 23 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 1: I did the math and said, oh no, I shaved 24 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:24,040 Speaker 1: my head on a Monday. That means I'm gonna be 25 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:26,840 Speaker 1: looking pretty rough by Friday. That's when the game is. 26 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 1: It's kind of tough to shave after three days. This 27 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 1: might be a shave on the road, might get a 28 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 1: little little hairy pun unintended. Best Mail Grooming podcast available. Yeah, 29 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:40,960 Speaker 1: we'll give you all kinds of tips here from training 30 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:45,120 Speaker 1: camp to uh tow hair and head maintenance. Yes, speaking 31 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 1: of Baker with the Fu Manchu now I and this 32 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 1: is how we transition. That's what we call a sink 33 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 1: in the business. Yeah. Impressive. Yeah, continues to be impressive 34 00:01:57,040 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 1: with the facial hair. I thought the beer was coming 35 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 1: back because he was growing the bear tonight He's still 36 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:03,560 Speaker 1: sticking with it. I respect it. I mean, do you 37 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 1: shave it the we I mean do you do you 38 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:09,680 Speaker 1: start to redo it when the season starts now so 39 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:11,680 Speaker 1: after labor day or do you keep it the whole time. 40 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 1: What happens is you have that dirty stage where the 41 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 1: beard starts to come in, but you just look, it's 42 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 1: not five o'clock shadow, it's two am shadow. You've been 43 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 1: out too late in your beards. And then in between 44 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 1: phase where it just looks awful and you have to 45 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:29,519 Speaker 1: get past that with the benefit of facial hair elsewhere, 46 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:32,360 Speaker 1: because then you just look scruffy. You don't look dirty. 47 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:35,240 Speaker 1: He'll get to scruffy, and then eventually he'll probably bring 48 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 1: the whole beard back, trim it all down to even 49 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 1: everything else. Yeah, and I'm sure the wife will have 50 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 1: something to say about this. Don't forget they're only seeing 51 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 1: their significant others immediately after practice. They're they're in a 52 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 1: hotel at night. Yes, so they're not with their significant knowledge. 53 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:50,640 Speaker 1: He's not there keeping him from shaving down to food, 54 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 1: man't you. Yeah, exactly exactly. We did have a practice today. Uh. 55 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 1: It ended early, maybe the first one all of training camp. 56 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:02,919 Speaker 1: It ended about forty minutes early. Uh, the guys got 57 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:06,959 Speaker 1: their work in. It was very, very hot, it was humid. Uh. 58 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:09,960 Speaker 1: We saw a little more from kind of a makeshift 59 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 1: scout team. One would have to say, maybe a little 60 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 1: installed day more than anything else. Big takeaway. Yeah, I mean, 61 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 1: maybe they're not gonna play the players to the extent 62 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 1: of a normal game, but maybe this is to get 63 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 1: them in the transition to this is what it's like 64 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:26,119 Speaker 1: to prepare for a game. And I think that that's 65 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 1: there's a lot of young guys that are learning that. 66 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 1: And there's some young guys on this team who will 67 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 1: make their NFL debut when they play against the Titans 68 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 1: open the season. So it's you just get them in 69 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 1: a routine and make it so everything is normal by 70 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 1: the time you play Titans. I think that's kind of 71 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 1: what they're doing now. But I thought, I to me, 72 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 1: I thought it was a lot of team like there 73 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 1: was not a ton of time devoted to other stuff. 74 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 1: They got right to work and they it was pretty productive, 75 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 1: productive practice with kind of a weird ending. Ye, kind 76 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 1: of an interesting shift from the tone that we've seen 77 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 1: the last two and a half weeks. Definitely different this week. 78 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 1: They're not tackling the ground, you know, as you said that, 79 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 1: there's the scout team involved and and they're really focusing 80 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 1: on getting a variety of guys reps, especially like you know, 81 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 1: along the offensive line for example, again cycling out a 82 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 1: bunch of different guys, a bunch of different groups of 83 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 1: lines to really see how they can, you know, withstand 84 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 1: that test and also to see if you know, hey, 85 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 1: maybe this tackle is actually pretty good at guard or 86 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 1: or you know, whatever you want to do in the 87 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 1: defense end as well. Um, and it's it's definitely a 88 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 1: lot different than we saw in the first couple of weeks. 89 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 1: All right, let's start off as we break down and 90 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 1: analyze today's practice. Uh, the back end of that wide 91 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 1: receiver room really starting to come into a little bit 92 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 1: better focus. GRIBs, Willie's with a big day, uh strong 93 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 1: with a big touchdown catch, and Ratley is really playing 94 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 1: well now. Yeah, and I think right now with those 95 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 1: projections to me, if I'm making the picks for the roster, 96 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 1: that those are your four or five and six receivers 97 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:51,560 Speaker 1: that you just kind of mentioned. And I think I 98 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 1: was among the many people that may have written off 99 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:56,280 Speaker 1: Ratley too soon, just because all of those other guys 100 00:04:56,279 --> 00:04:59,159 Speaker 1: were playing so well. But when you watch him on 101 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 1: the field, I don't know if he's a little bit 102 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:02,840 Speaker 1: bigger than he used to be. It's just the way 103 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 1: he moves. And I think I said this yesterday. He 104 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 1: just stands out and I'm not saying he's on the 105 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 1: Odell Jarvis spectrum. He's not on, not up to the 106 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:13,680 Speaker 1: Richard Higgins level. But there's a reason why there was 107 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 1: some maybe some patience with this guy. And I think 108 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 1: it was good in hindsight now that he waited as 109 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:20,800 Speaker 1: long as he did to get back because he didn't 110 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 1: want to get hurt again, because if if he does 111 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 1: get hurt again, that's where it becomes an issue. But like, 112 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 1: all right, we need your availability is important and I 113 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:29,720 Speaker 1: think that's the key for him is going to be 114 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 1: staying healthy and making the most out of these two 115 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 1: preseason games. He's got the special teams experience, so I 116 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:37,359 Speaker 1: think he's in a good spot. It's funny because like 117 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 1: you hear people talk about this, this GM or this 118 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 1: scout has the eye, you have an eye for talent 119 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 1: or whatever. I'm not saying I have the eye. But 120 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:47,920 Speaker 1: what I'm saying is is guys like Damian Ratley, when 121 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:49,839 Speaker 1: you watch them play, like Gribble said, you can see 122 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:52,720 Speaker 1: why teams give them longer leashes or hang onto them longer. 123 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:56,160 Speaker 1: Not because he's Odell Beckham or he's you know, Julio 124 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:58,919 Speaker 1: Jones or whatever, but you just something's a little different, 125 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:01,599 Speaker 1: and you can just see the potential. You don't know 126 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 1: what it can maybe manifest into, but you can see 127 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:08,719 Speaker 1: the potential for something productive and and excellent out of 128 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 1: this guy. And and it's nice to see him back 129 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:12,480 Speaker 1: on the field. We also saw some other guys back 130 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 1: in the field today too. Dontrell Hilliard was back in pads, 131 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 1: Taybier Thomas was back in pads. Uh Taibier down for 132 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 1: a while, Dontrell for about a week, got little dinged 133 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 1: up in Indianapolis, Westfield, Indiana and UH, and so he's 134 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 1: back today as well. It's always good to see guys 135 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:29,360 Speaker 1: getting back to the field, especially if you get close 136 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:31,919 Speaker 1: to the regular season. So those that's encouraging now. Myles 137 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:35,599 Speaker 1: Garrett was out today UH little illness coach clarified it 138 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 1: in his press conference today, said that he had started 139 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:43,040 Speaker 1: to feel ill last night carried over into today and 140 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:45,400 Speaker 1: so he wasn't even a participant or even on the 141 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 1: field today. So something to monitor here as as the 142 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 1: week progresses and we get closer to Friday night's game. 143 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 1: But at this time of the year, I'm good. I'm good. 144 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 1: If I don't see him Friday, I think we're all right. 145 00:06:57,720 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 1: I think you're fine, and I'd also think if he 146 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:03,719 Speaker 1: doesn't play, it gives you some opportunities to really which 147 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:06,360 Speaker 1: where where there's some maybe some tough decisions to make. 148 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 1: Not saying it's between Chad Thomas or anthy Zetel, but 149 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 1: it's are are you going to work the numbers to 150 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:16,559 Speaker 1: where they're both here? Yeah, Chris Smith was not here today. 151 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 1: He was not here Yesterday's excused for personal reasons, and 152 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:21,559 Speaker 1: I hope everything's good and we look forward to seeing 153 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 1: him back on the field soon. He's definitely been kind 154 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 1: of like the sixth man on that defensive line and 155 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 1: the first guy in when Miles has been out. So 156 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 1: it'll be interesting to see who steps up here tomorrow 157 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 1: and then then on Friday when we play in Tampa. 158 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 1: Can we talk about the Scottish hammer kicking field goals? 159 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:43,200 Speaker 1: That seems to be a little buzz today. Someone who 160 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:47,000 Speaker 1: was drilling sixty yard fifty seven yard picks today, he 161 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 1: was also missing some very wide right that could have 162 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 1: potentially hit people in places where they would have never 163 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 1: been looking for a football to come. But a little 164 00:07:57,200 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 1: buzz generated from the young man uh known for his 165 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 1: punting ability. I mean, he's got history kicking field goals 166 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 1: in Arkansas Pine Bluff, so he's done it before. Freddie, 167 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 1: you know, kind of joke today that he didn't know 168 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 1: that he could kick field goals before. And he said, well, 169 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 1: if he's hitting a sixty yarder, I guess you'd have 170 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 1: a shot. And he looked at the reporter was asking 171 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:16,320 Speaker 1: a question, said, if you hit a sixty yarder, you 172 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 1: you'd have a shot too. I mean, so it's it's interesting. 173 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 1: I don't know, I really think it's going to turn 174 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 1: into anything. It would be a fun story if it did, 175 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 1: and it would also maybe sethe our concerns with the 176 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 1: kicking game, which we did not see on display today. 177 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:29,240 Speaker 1: Let's go with the numbers for the Scottish Hammer his 178 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 1: field goal kicking days at Arkansas Pine Bluffs last season. 179 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 1: He was twenty of twenty nine on field goals with 180 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:39,720 Speaker 1: a long of forty three AH and he had a 181 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 1: game where he was five of six. That was his 182 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 1: big game against Texas Southern p A t S which 183 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:47,840 Speaker 1: in college is much shorter. Two twenty six. By the way, 184 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:50,960 Speaker 1: another big back to back day for you. Going into 185 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 1: the stats on a DP you got Google the Google 186 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:57,080 Speaker 1: so he has that. I'm not saying he has that edge, 187 00:08:57,120 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 1: but colquit did field goals in high school into him 188 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:02,840 Speaker 1: in college. When you're at Arkansas Pine Bluff, they got 189 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 1: one spot for a punter slash kicker. You're doing it all. 190 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 1: Uh so he was doing it all. I think he. 191 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 1: I believe he kicked field goals all four years. So 192 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:15,440 Speaker 1: he has the experience. He was not recruited or signed 193 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:20,559 Speaker 1: to be a kicker kicking no, you go, yes, the 194 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:25,559 Speaker 1: kicking can be rough at this these this level of colleges. 195 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 1: Do you want double A and in areas like that? 196 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:33,559 Speaker 1: Uh So, again, let's just keep I was on a 197 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 1: radio show yesterday and I told him, sixty four kickers 198 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:38,960 Speaker 1: are employed right now. You're gonna want to go in 199 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 1: the free agent market if you want to when there's 200 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 1: thirty one thirty two of those guys out there and 201 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 1: available and looking for jobs. And that will happen next week. Yeah. 202 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 1: Also also a fun fact based on Grivel's googling, I've 203 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 1: now learned that Arkansas Pine Bluffs mascot is the Golden 204 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 1: Lions as a as a golden flash I stand with 205 00:09:56,559 --> 00:09:59,320 Speaker 1: helmets are fired to look at those Oh my two 206 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 1: tone black can gold. I like it. He wore forty 207 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 1: two in college. By the way. Interesting you take the 208 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 1: numbers you can get when you're a specialist. Uh, let's 209 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:12,200 Speaker 1: talk about your boy, j T Hassel. Great catch, nice 210 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:14,680 Speaker 1: interception today for that young man. He played a lot 211 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 1: on Saturday, showed a little bit. Uh, he played a 212 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 1: lot of snaps on Saturday. Yeah, I had good practice. 213 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 1: I put him in the same same boat as maybe 214 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 1: a D. Gail Montgomery, where he is playing really well, 215 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:29,120 Speaker 1: doing all the right things, and it's just in a 216 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:32,079 Speaker 1: loaded group where I don't know what's going to happen 217 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 1: moving forward. He's a great story, has a had a 218 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 1: heck of a camp, hits like a maniac on special teams, 219 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:41,439 Speaker 1: and so I think there is a place in this 220 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:44,240 Speaker 1: league for JT. Hassle, whether it be on special teams, 221 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 1: whether it be on a practice squad, there's a place 222 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 1: where he will end up being. Uh. And he is 223 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:52,959 Speaker 1: just now learning how to play safety. He was a 224 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:57,480 Speaker 1: linebacker in college, so he he clearly has the effort 225 00:10:57,480 --> 00:10:59,560 Speaker 1: and desire to do it. Maybe he can stay in 226 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:02,320 Speaker 1: Cleveland as a practice squad guy. Or I mean, well, 227 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 1: there's some injuries in that safety position you you might 228 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:07,720 Speaker 1: need somebody, so I think, but he's done everything that 229 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:09,680 Speaker 1: they've asked him to do, and I think he's gotten 230 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 1: a lot better since he started out here in May. 231 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 1: And I remember when Joe talked about him, he said, now, 232 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 1: this is a guy that's going to really show up 233 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:18,319 Speaker 1: when the pads come on. And that's exactly what's happened. 234 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:19,560 Speaker 1: You know, that's kind of the story for a lot 235 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 1: of these guys who have really improved since that point. 236 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 1: I mean, you've just seen the natural progression of just 237 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 1: more reps. I mean the fact that they've just gotten 238 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 1: more opportunities to play the game and play within the 239 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:32,079 Speaker 1: systems that they've they've been inserted into. I mean, guys 240 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:34,200 Speaker 1: are just there. The cream is kind of rising. You know, 241 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 1: It's it's natural, I think at this level. But it's 242 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 1: also really interesting to see when you're out there on 243 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:40,560 Speaker 1: a daily basis and you're watching these guys play play 244 00:11:40,559 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 1: after play after play, and it might seem mundane at 245 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:45,079 Speaker 1: the time, but then you get to the point now 246 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:47,440 Speaker 1: where we're at, we're near the end of camp, and 247 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:49,200 Speaker 1: we're like, man, that guy has gotten a lot better. 248 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 1: You know, we've talked about it before Drew Forbes is 249 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:52,680 Speaker 1: one of those guys has just gotten a lot better. 250 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 1: You've seen it with other guys as well, and it's 251 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 1: just really interesting to see because it sounds so abstract 252 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 1: when you think about uh uh a football player improving, 253 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:04,200 Speaker 1: you know, because you just see them on a play 254 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 1: by play bassis. You're a game by game basis, You're like, well, 255 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 1: how do you get how do you improve? How do 256 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:09,320 Speaker 1: you get better? But when you see it built over 257 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 1: time and stacking practices and all that stuff, it's it's 258 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:15,840 Speaker 1: just it's really fun to watch. Any other takeaways from today, 259 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:20,440 Speaker 1: it was a quick one. I think the just another 260 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 1: guy to keep watching as we get toward roster cut 261 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 1: down day and maybe these especially these next two games, 262 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:29,320 Speaker 1: is set the valve. I think another guy that we 263 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:31,000 Speaker 1: may have written off as being like this guy has 264 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:33,320 Speaker 1: been hurt for a long time to crowd a position group. 265 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:35,960 Speaker 1: Now all of a sudden he's running first team these 266 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:38,200 Speaker 1: last couple of days of practice, and it's he was 267 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 1: in the backfield as blocking guy. So maybe he is 268 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 1: competition for Joe Carriage if it's someone you can hold 269 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 1: onto as like, okay, we're not gonna use a full 270 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 1: back of tons, so we can get by with the 271 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:52,560 Speaker 1: vat in the backfield. He's someone that is someone that 272 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:55,320 Speaker 1: is really fighting for a spot and might not have 273 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:56,960 Speaker 1: been as out of the mix as we might have 274 00:12:56,960 --> 00:12:59,720 Speaker 1: thought a week ago. I mean, just because I think 275 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:01,560 Speaker 1: that there's been so many injuries at that tight end 276 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 1: position that he has had real opportunities. And I think 277 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 1: if he stays, if he's good to go Friday, I 278 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 1: think he's gonna play a lot. Yeah, you know, on 279 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 1: that that specific play and that that formation that he mentioned, 280 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:14,600 Speaker 1: it was offset either right and then he did motion 281 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:15,960 Speaker 1: the left and they ran an ice o and he 282 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:17,320 Speaker 1: went right through the hole and he made a really 283 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:19,600 Speaker 1: nice block, And it was like, oh, well, if he 284 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:21,719 Speaker 1: could block like that, he's got some value. You can 285 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 1: put him back there and maybe feel that h back 286 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 1: role that used to belong to Orison Charles and or 287 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:29,000 Speaker 1: the traditional fullback role that belongs to Joe Carriage. Uh. 288 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:31,839 Speaker 1: Competition at a position that the Browns technically didn't even 289 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:34,800 Speaker 1: have filled until a couple of weeks ago. So kind 290 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:36,920 Speaker 1: of a refreshing thing to see from a guy who 291 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 1: hasn't been on the field in a while. But you 292 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 1: also do consider that position. It is a very physical 293 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:42,559 Speaker 1: one and you are going through the whole we think 294 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 1: about his history of concussions and and maybe that is 295 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:47,439 Speaker 1: kind of a negative factor. So we'll see what happens there. 296 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:50,640 Speaker 1: All right. That's what happened today, the second to last 297 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 1: day of Cleveland Brown's training camp to the public. On 298 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:57,320 Speaker 1: this the week that we played Tampa Bay in the 299 00:13:57,440 --> 00:14:01,840 Speaker 1: quote dress rehearsal game. I'm J. Gibbs along with Nick 300 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 1: Shook alongside Andrew Gribble. This is the best podcast available. 301 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:08,840 Speaker 1: We have two interviews today. Sometimes we don't have any. 302 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 1: Sometimes we do it two for today one of those days, 303 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 1: and it's all about the big uglies known as the 304 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:17,840 Speaker 1: offensive lineman. Hopefully none of them are listening and pay 305 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 1: me a visit tomorrow. I mean they're pretty they are 306 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 1: shuffle board table going on going on downstairs. Earlier. J 307 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:27,240 Speaker 1: Trader is a good looking guy, and they're nice guys. 308 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 1: Not on the field, but at the shuffle board table. 309 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 1: They're kind of nice. Well, if we're gonna be talking 310 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 1: offensive line, we had to send our old line correspondent 311 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:37,960 Speaker 1: downstairs to do they do the questions, and that's our 312 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 1: own Nick Shook. He had a chance to sit down 313 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 1: with new offensive line coach James Camping a really really 314 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 1: good interview and some good insight into the battle going 315 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 1: on at right guard and overall on that offensive line 316 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:55,000 Speaker 1: as they come together in preparation for September eight. Have 317 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:58,680 Speaker 1: a listen. First question, really, you come from many years 318 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:01,600 Speaker 1: in Green Bay, we had a lot success. Uh why 319 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:04,560 Speaker 1: now in White Cleveland. Well, I mean it's a it's 320 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:07,880 Speaker 1: a great opportunity. I mean, you know when you you know, 321 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 1: you come on interview and I'm very grateful for the 322 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 1: opportunity and Freddy's given me. But you know, it's always 323 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:15,920 Speaker 1: about people, and it really does. I mean that's to me, 324 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 1: that's where it starts. Um, and that's really where it 325 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 1: will end. I mean, good people and people with vision 326 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 1: and drive and goals. Um, there are one thing, but 327 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:27,480 Speaker 1: people that will implement him and step out of the 328 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:29,960 Speaker 1: box to do that. Um, that's what you look for. 329 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:32,840 Speaker 1: And coaching it's um, it's it's a joy to be here. 330 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 1: It's gonna be fun. You feel like you get some 331 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:37,560 Speaker 1: of that freedom in your coaching style here. I think so, 332 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:40,080 Speaker 1: you know, I coach coach Kitchens always says, you know, 333 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:43,160 Speaker 1: coach to your strengths, and um, you know, push it 334 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 1: the envelope as far as you want to push it, 335 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 1: you know, within the rules and being smart and those 336 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 1: type of things. Obviously, you know, respect is huge for him. 337 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 1: And as long as you're doing things with respectful manner 338 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 1: and mindset, then uh, um, things are good, you know, 339 00:15:57,000 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 1: and so um, but he's quick to correct and to 340 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:02,440 Speaker 1: move on. So it's it's a pleasure. It's pleasure with 341 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:04,240 Speaker 1: the honesty. It's great. So when you got here and 342 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 1: you kind of prepared for what you're gonna go to 343 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 1: go into this offseason and then now this training camp, 344 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:11,960 Speaker 1: what did you see on tape that needed to be changed? Um? 345 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:14,080 Speaker 1: You know, I mean based on it's so hard, you know, 346 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 1: you know it's because you don't know the people, the players, 347 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 1: So you know, the judgment is is you know, the 348 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:24,760 Speaker 1: fact of the matter is it won you know last year, 349 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:28,160 Speaker 1: and and now we have to transition that into winning 350 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 1: more this year. And um, when you have turnarounds like that, 351 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 1: something had to change. I wasn't part of that change, um. 352 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:38,360 Speaker 1: Uh and now and it did change, and and now 353 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 1: I'm just grateful to be part of the solution. And um, 354 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 1: you know, one small part of it, and it's going 355 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 1: to be a heck of a ride. Right now, let's 356 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:49,960 Speaker 1: kind of shift to maybe some some intricacies of this, 357 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:52,760 Speaker 1: UM if you could explain best in your words, what 358 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 1: are the differences, UM, in the responsibilities between a tackle, 359 00:16:56,080 --> 00:16:58,680 Speaker 1: whether it's left or right, and a guard and how 360 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:03,040 Speaker 1: the positions can be different when you're playing them. Um, Well, 361 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:05,199 Speaker 1: in generally, I mean it's like, I don't know if 362 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 1: it's so much responsibly, but it's the difference is like 363 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 1: with the tackles. You know, if I'm over here, I'm 364 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 1: playing left tackle, well, yeah, I gotta take you know, 365 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 1: but most of my world is in front of me 366 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:16,920 Speaker 1: and to my you know, so I've got like two 367 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:20,399 Speaker 1: thirds I'm playing with inside You're playing everything, you know, 368 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:23,399 Speaker 1: so I gotta see and be ahead on us. Wevel 369 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:25,520 Speaker 1: things like that are a little different, you know, obviously 370 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:30,200 Speaker 1: space pass rust, space, UM. You know, there's there's different 371 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:34,960 Speaker 1: things fundamentally that are obviously different. But responsibility wise, UM, 372 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:38,760 Speaker 1: we're pretty balanced on how we Everything is spread out 373 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:41,280 Speaker 1: by line calls and everything that one person makes the 374 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:44,440 Speaker 1: calls and not one person is responsible for seeing everything. 375 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:46,639 Speaker 1: They all are so and I think you have to 376 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:49,720 Speaker 1: do that. I mean, if you don't, then if there's 377 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:52,480 Speaker 1: only one person is only talking, then could make issues 378 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:55,480 Speaker 1: for yourself. So you gotta communicate, definitely. The reason I 379 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:57,040 Speaker 1: asked that is because I think about a guy like 380 00:17:57,119 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 1: Drew Forbes. You know, if you obviously you've looked at 381 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:01,240 Speaker 1: his tape, but if you if you go back and 382 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 1: watch his college tape, you see he didn't you know, 383 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 1: he wasn't in the traditional pass dropping. I mean, he 384 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:08,880 Speaker 1: was forty five at best, and and that's a huge 385 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:11,320 Speaker 1: adjustment to come to tackle and then he starts to 386 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:13,240 Speaker 1: play guard, has to learn guard all in this camp. 387 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:15,280 Speaker 1: So that's kind of why I asked that. How has 388 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:19,280 Speaker 1: his progression been. It's it's starting to progress now. Is 389 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:21,639 Speaker 1: that kind of a silly quie answer, I guess, But 390 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:25,320 Speaker 1: it's it's accelerating, I should say, because you know there's 391 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:27,359 Speaker 1: a thing you know where he's not only was he 392 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:30,240 Speaker 1: a tackle, but like you said, and it's I'm glad 393 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:32,440 Speaker 1: you know he's everything's forty five or something. We've gotta 394 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:35,639 Speaker 1: get more vertical sometimes when something's required to be at 395 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:40,320 Speaker 1: forty five, right, So for him, you know, playing tackle, 396 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:44,400 Speaker 1: the sets were different now we moved him inside. He's 397 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 1: never played inside. But then the people are bigger and stronger, 398 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:49,760 Speaker 1: and they're crowding the ball more and they're they're on 399 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:53,840 Speaker 1: you fast. So it's that separation anxiety that you have 400 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:56,639 Speaker 1: to overcome, and it's and it takes a little bit 401 00:18:56,720 --> 00:19:00,480 Speaker 1: longer for a smaller school person to do that because 402 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:03,880 Speaker 1: of bigger people. You know, he's I mean, he he's 403 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:07,239 Speaker 1: playing against guys that were two people and now you've 404 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 1: got three hundred pounds and they're probably quicker than them, 405 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:15,200 Speaker 1: you know. So, but once that separation has has diminished 406 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:18,320 Speaker 1: and starting to diminish, then the player starts getting confident 407 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:21,359 Speaker 1: and then the natural ability comes out and and so 408 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 1: we think we're at the point we're starting to make 409 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:25,320 Speaker 1: steps with that, but it seems to be pretty evident. 410 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:27,320 Speaker 1: One thing I've really noticed too is, especially when he's 411 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:29,159 Speaker 1: playing guard, is he I know you've drill listened to 412 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:30,399 Speaker 1: his head is just the head on the swivel thing. 413 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:32,120 Speaker 1: I mean, I've never seen somebody's head move as fast 414 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:35,480 Speaker 1: as he's. Definitely checking it out, maybe too much. That's 415 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 1: one thing about Drew is that he internalizes everything you say, 416 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:43,720 Speaker 1: and then sometimes it's like sometimes just saying less it's 417 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:46,159 Speaker 1: okay too and let him go play, you know, and 418 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 1: so Um, but he's very bright, very intelligent, and he 419 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:51,399 Speaker 1: he does things one way and he wants to be 420 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:54,320 Speaker 1: a perfectionist. Well, and that's a great quality to have. 421 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:57,960 Speaker 1: But in the learning stage sometimes just go play it. 422 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:00,399 Speaker 1: Just be a kid, go play, you know. All right, 423 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:02,720 Speaker 1: last question. You probably might not be able to answer 424 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:05,480 Speaker 1: this specifically, but I'm gonna ask it anyway. Um, you've 425 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:08,040 Speaker 1: got a history of turning later round picks into pro 426 00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:10,320 Speaker 1: bowlers in Green Bay. It just doesn't have to be 427 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:12,680 Speaker 1: a later round pick here. Um, this could be anybody 428 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 1: who's not already a pro bowler, so Joel, you know, disqualified. 429 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:18,920 Speaker 1: But who do you think has the potential to really 430 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:22,920 Speaker 1: take that step in the next year or two here? Um, 431 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:26,959 Speaker 1: you know, I I appreciate the compliment, but um, certainly 432 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 1: the player has to be the one to make that step. 433 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 1: And and we're just a small piece to you know, 434 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:34,400 Speaker 1: push him through, to be honest with you and and um, 435 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:37,760 Speaker 1: but you know, for me, really, I I don't I'm 436 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:41,680 Speaker 1: not really in a good predictor. I just you know, 437 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:43,880 Speaker 1: someone says, well, how many wins you think you're gonna 438 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 1: have or who do you think will be. I'm more 439 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:48,720 Speaker 1: you know, you gotta show it and then they have 440 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:51,440 Speaker 1: to believe it and then it happens. So you know, 441 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 1: for me to go out on a limb or say 442 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:55,600 Speaker 1: this one is or that one isn't, I'm really just 443 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 1: I don't think that's fair to the room because everyone 444 00:20:58,119 --> 00:21:00,840 Speaker 1: has an equal chance. Everyone has a chance to start 445 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:03,760 Speaker 1: to play, to make this team, and you take it 446 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:05,640 Speaker 1: to where you want to take it. So no matter 447 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:08,960 Speaker 1: where you're drafted or you weren't, that can happen for people, 448 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:12,359 Speaker 1: and I've seen it happen, and I just I don't. 449 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:14,880 Speaker 1: I don't get into that that part of rankings. That's 450 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:17,160 Speaker 1: just that's just me. No, I totally agree, totally agree. 451 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:19,520 Speaker 1: Thank you very much coach for your time. Appreciate it. Boy, 452 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:23,520 Speaker 1: he has quite the background. Nick shook uh your takeaways 453 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 1: from him, and we had a long conversation with him 454 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:29,160 Speaker 1: after the interview as well. But I wish we could 455 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:34,000 Speaker 1: have been accorded on but uh, probably not the best idea. Yeah, uh, 456 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:36,240 Speaker 1: you know, he's got a stellar background. He was in 457 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:38,680 Speaker 1: Green Bay for a lot of years and turned to 458 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:40,640 Speaker 1: a lot of good linemen, well, a lot of lineman 459 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:43,439 Speaker 1: who didn't have high expectations into very good lineman, namely 460 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 1: David Batieri, who was their current left tackle, considered one 461 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:48,560 Speaker 1: of the best left tackles, if not the best left 462 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:52,440 Speaker 1: tackle in the NFL at a premier pass blocker among 463 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:55,320 Speaker 1: all things. And you know, he's He's done it with 464 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 1: a lot of guys, and it was a huge coup 465 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:00,520 Speaker 1: for the Browns to get James camping in the offseason. 466 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:02,359 Speaker 1: And I think we've seen the results in some of 467 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 1: the guys so far. I think we'll see a lot 468 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:06,920 Speaker 1: more of it payoff in game action, maybe this week, 469 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:09,719 Speaker 1: probably more in the regular season. And a guy who 470 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 1: has a wealth of knowledge and a very um intricate, 471 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:16,480 Speaker 1: I think nuanced approach where he wants he said it there. 472 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:18,240 Speaker 1: You know, he wants to learn the guys and and 473 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:20,720 Speaker 1: kind of their disposition before he just started changing things. 474 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:22,119 Speaker 1: You know, it's not like my way or the highway. 475 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:23,680 Speaker 1: It's okay, well what do you react to? What do 476 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:27,080 Speaker 1: you respond to? How can we best maximize your talents 477 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 1: and your play style? And I think that we're starting 478 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:31,639 Speaker 1: to see that now. I liked how him and Jeff 479 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:35,760 Speaker 1: Blastco mix and work off each other, because I would say, 480 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:39,320 Speaker 1: I don't know if I've ever heard James Camping yelling 481 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:42,119 Speaker 1: at practice or you don't. Really he's a guy that's teaching, 482 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:46,200 Speaker 1: uh blastow you here from the syline. He's he's the on, 483 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:50,080 Speaker 1: hands on guy right after a play, He's got his 484 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:51,880 Speaker 1: eyes on a couple of guys and if if someone 485 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:53,720 Speaker 1: doesn't do what they're supposed to, he is right on 486 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:56,280 Speaker 1: top of it, no matter what group it is, whether 487 00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:58,760 Speaker 1: it's first or fourth. I mean, he is out there 488 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:00,760 Speaker 1: on top of those guys. It's it's good to see 489 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:03,320 Speaker 1: those guys in a in a really good system and 490 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:06,120 Speaker 1: set up, and I it'll obviously you want to see 491 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:08,480 Speaker 1: how he develops some of these guys who already proven 492 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:10,000 Speaker 1: players in league. But it's going to be the guys 493 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:12,439 Speaker 1: like it Drew Forbes. I mean, how those guys get groomed, 494 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:15,639 Speaker 1: uh and maybe potentially start one day all right. In 495 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:18,720 Speaker 1: addition to James Camping, while we were waiting for coach, 496 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:22,399 Speaker 1: who was a pretty popular individual, today, J C. Tredder 497 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:24,199 Speaker 1: happened to be walking by said what are you doing 498 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 1: with the recorder? We said, we're gonna record you. He said, okay, 499 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:29,120 Speaker 1: and here's JC Tredder for a few minutes when Nick 500 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:31,399 Speaker 1: shook j C. You're a guy who has been here 501 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:33,720 Speaker 1: for a couple of years now and you're pretty established 502 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:36,040 Speaker 1: your position, but you've got some changes alongside you have. 503 00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:37,880 Speaker 1: Have you guys dealt with that so far? Yeah, we've 504 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:39,720 Speaker 1: been working guys around and trying to find the best 505 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:41,359 Speaker 1: fit and the guy who goes out there and and 506 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:44,760 Speaker 1: takes control of the job. Um, So we're moving guys 507 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:46,679 Speaker 1: in and out because she's done a good job. Um, 508 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:48,000 Speaker 1: but we've still got a bunch of guys fighting for 509 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:50,880 Speaker 1: that position. So we still got a couple more weeks left. Um. 510 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:54,000 Speaker 1: See who you know rise at the top. We even 511 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:57,600 Speaker 1: saw a tackle there today, Kendall Lamb. You know you 512 00:23:57,680 --> 00:23:59,320 Speaker 1: talked about shuffling in and out, but that's a lot 513 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:01,159 Speaker 1: of different guys. I mean, how do you kind of 514 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:03,680 Speaker 1: mitigate that? Yeah, well, I think one thing we do 515 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:05,720 Speaker 1: during training camp, and that's something camp he has always 516 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:07,120 Speaker 1: been a big proponent of it is kind of moving 517 00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:09,480 Speaker 1: guys around because you never know kind of what's going 518 00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:11,159 Speaker 1: to happen during a season and during a game. I 519 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 1: mean we've had a game with Campy when we were 520 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:15,399 Speaker 1: down to to five guys, and we had prepared with 521 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:18,440 Speaker 1: our long snapper at center during walkthroughs that week to 522 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 1: be ready for anything. So it can't be the guy 523 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 1: who rotate guys through just kind of see how pieces 524 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:24,920 Speaker 1: fit together and and you know, worst case scenarios and 525 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:27,080 Speaker 1: things like that. So you know, we we've been moving 526 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:29,280 Speaker 1: guys around, so you get used to how everybody plays 527 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 1: and and kind of how they set and how you 528 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:33,080 Speaker 1: communicate with them. Um. So that's just all part of 529 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:34,760 Speaker 1: football and kind of getting used to guys. We know 530 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:37,440 Speaker 1: what you played with last year and played through UM, 531 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 1: and we saw you actually get a little dinged up 532 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:41,560 Speaker 1: was a couple of weeks ago at this point, but 533 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:44,280 Speaker 1: you refused to, uh, you know, sit out the rest 534 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:46,760 Speaker 1: of the practice and knowing you know, what you've already 535 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:48,879 Speaker 1: dealt with and how these other guys could get reps 536 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:51,480 Speaker 1: and yet you still finished. Um, you know what what 537 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:53,760 Speaker 1: was your thought process on that? Yeah? I think one 538 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:57,119 Speaker 1: thing's kind of Freddie has preached is availability and and 539 00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:00,360 Speaker 1: getting through camp and just kind of always be there. 540 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:02,600 Speaker 1: And and that's something I think everybody's kind of taken 541 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:05,240 Speaker 1: to heart, and especially the offensive line. That's something that 542 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,320 Speaker 1: you know, you don't really have statistics or anything like that. 543 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:12,000 Speaker 1: Um So, really your your statistic is whether you are 544 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:13,639 Speaker 1: always out there and you play every game and you 545 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 1: play every play. So that's something I think every offensive 546 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:17,879 Speaker 1: lineman really takes pride in there is you know, the 547 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:19,359 Speaker 1: only time you have a chance to really help this 548 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:21,399 Speaker 1: team is by being out there and doing your job. Um. 549 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:23,680 Speaker 1: So that's something I think all offensive lineman really take 550 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:26,920 Speaker 1: pride in. Okay, so if somebody came to training camp 551 00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 1: right now and they were close up to the field 552 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:30,800 Speaker 1: to hear you make your calls, they'd probably be asking 553 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:32,879 Speaker 1: what is going on in there? Take us inside the 554 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:35,159 Speaker 1: mind of a center and your responsibilities pre snap on 555 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:37,520 Speaker 1: every play. Yeah, so you come up, you decide what 556 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:39,280 Speaker 1: type of defense they're in. Let everybody know what type 557 00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:41,480 Speaker 1: of defense they're in. Uh. Then depending on the play, 558 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:44,159 Speaker 1: whether it's run pass, uh, you have different points and 559 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:47,320 Speaker 1: different calls, kind of letting everybody to know. Quarterback we're 560 00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:49,800 Speaker 1: to know where he's hot, running backs know where he's going. 561 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 1: In the offensive lineman who we got. Um there's a 562 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:54,480 Speaker 1: lot of communication, and that's something you know, me and 563 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:56,000 Speaker 1: me and Baker need to always be on the same 564 00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 1: page because we have to kind of play off each 565 00:25:57,760 --> 00:25:59,760 Speaker 1: other's points. Where I could see something and make a 566 00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:02,520 Speaker 1: point faker like something else he can change it. Or 567 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:04,359 Speaker 1: sometimes he just needs to know where I'm thinking so 568 00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:05,920 Speaker 1: he can know what he's got to do. So that 569 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:07,800 Speaker 1: comes a lot of meeting between the quarterback and center 570 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:10,040 Speaker 1: of just getting on the same page and understanding where 571 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:12,280 Speaker 1: each other's you know, looking. So I heard a call today, 572 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:14,120 Speaker 1: Uh that just kind of jumped out to me because 573 00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:15,960 Speaker 1: I've never really heard it before, and it was interesting 574 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,479 Speaker 1: if you think of the image rey associated, which is lasso, 575 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:20,800 Speaker 1: Can you kind of explain that? Well, I'm not gonna 576 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:22,200 Speaker 1: go too far into detail, but that's just one of 577 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:24,600 Speaker 1: our you know, one of our calls. UM. That just 578 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:27,000 Speaker 1: lets one side of the line know kind of where 579 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:28,920 Speaker 1: we're going and how we're going to get there. Um. 580 00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:31,359 Speaker 1: So we have a lot of calls, um, and sometimes 581 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:34,320 Speaker 1: we use dummy calls. Uh. Sometimes you know you'll hear 582 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:36,639 Speaker 1: ones that don't mean anything, but we're saying them just 583 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:38,680 Speaker 1: so the defense can't get used to kind of when 584 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:40,960 Speaker 1: we make that call. We're always doing that. UM. So 585 00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:43,320 Speaker 1: as you get older and the group gets gets used 586 00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:46,600 Speaker 1: to each other. Um, you'll slide in cobra calls and 587 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:49,600 Speaker 1: fake calls and uh, fake checks, just so the defense 588 00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:51,480 Speaker 1: can't really get a read on what you're actually calling. 589 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:54,400 Speaker 1: What's your funniest check you've ever made? Fake? Fake check? Um, 590 00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:59,040 Speaker 1: fake check. Uh some some probably shouldn't be repeated on 591 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:04,280 Speaker 1: page podcasts. Um, but we I mean we have bozos 592 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:07,280 Speaker 1: and um. We usually I like go into a week 593 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:09,920 Speaker 1: with like a theme. Um. So we had like Thor 594 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:13,159 Speaker 1: and Loki one week. He kind of we we go 595 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:15,280 Speaker 1: like that where we kind of brainstorm things we want 596 00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:17,719 Speaker 1: to get on. We had one historical theme. We had 597 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,639 Speaker 1: Aaron and Burr um, so we kind of jump around, 598 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:23,480 Speaker 1: I like trying to get you know, random random terms 599 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:26,280 Speaker 1: and phrases on the on the TV copies. That's always 600 00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:29,320 Speaker 1: kind of a fun game within a game. Berry. No, 601 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:31,000 Speaker 1: I haven't done that one yet, but we we might. 602 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:33,359 Speaker 1: We might slide in. We might slide that in. J C. 603 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:37,399 Speaker 1: Always a good interview, always a good get and some 604 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:39,560 Speaker 1: really good insight from him as well a little bit 605 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:43,919 Speaker 1: of fun as well. The players you see them now, 606 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:46,800 Speaker 1: they're starting to go were there's a light at the 607 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:49,720 Speaker 1: end of the tunnel. Training camp is training camp will 608 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:52,959 Speaker 1: break on Thursday morning before we leave for Tampa. When 609 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,639 Speaker 1: they come back, not living in a hotel, you know it, 610 00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:00,080 Speaker 1: they'll be home with their families a lot more. And 611 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:04,159 Speaker 1: you can just see the guys. Okay, this is finally, 612 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:07,920 Speaker 1: This grueling, grueling camp is finally. And it's funny because 613 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:09,919 Speaker 1: Austin CORBTT walked by once we were done with that interview, 614 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:11,919 Speaker 1: and you know, he was like, that's high quality content 615 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:14,199 Speaker 1: right there. You know, you're hitting asking the hard hitting questions. 616 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:16,080 Speaker 1: You can tell they're they're loosening up a little bit, 617 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:18,399 Speaker 1: like you said, and and you still see them all 618 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:20,679 Speaker 1: congregating down the atrium. It seems to be the offensive 619 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,320 Speaker 1: lineman hang out these days, probably because of the shelf 620 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:25,640 Speaker 1: board table, but they're laying on the couches. They don't 621 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,359 Speaker 1: seem to be as I think depleted as they might 622 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:30,320 Speaker 1: have looked in the middle of last week or before 623 00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:32,800 Speaker 1: we even went to Indianapolis. I think the pace of 624 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:35,320 Speaker 1: the practice has let lessen up just a little bit, 625 00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:37,159 Speaker 1: you know, not like we said, not tackling to the 626 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:40,200 Speaker 1: ground um. And I think they're starting to get more comfortable. 627 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:42,600 Speaker 1: But there's been a lot of variety, and I think 628 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:44,480 Speaker 1: that it's been a little bit of a mental test 629 00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:47,040 Speaker 1: for some of them, but overall it's gonna be good 630 00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 1: because as we had talked with coach camp and afterward, Uh, 631 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:52,720 Speaker 1: the most important thing is depth and knowing if those 632 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:54,960 Speaker 1: guys can play different positions in the time of need 633 00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:57,440 Speaker 1: and and so I think it's less physical, it's more 634 00:28:57,480 --> 00:28:59,560 Speaker 1: mental now. Uh, and then they're gonna be able to 635 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:01,640 Speaker 1: apply it all and hopefully before the end of camp 636 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:03,200 Speaker 1: so you can figure out who these linemen will be 637 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:05,760 Speaker 1: in which linemen will be active on game day. It's 638 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:07,760 Speaker 1: always a weird transition when you go into camp and 639 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:10,480 Speaker 1: then to still preseason practice, because you'll go down around 640 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:12,880 Speaker 1: like four o'clock and you just see guys walking out, 641 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:15,480 Speaker 1: like what are you guys doing? Like you're leaving, like 642 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:18,640 Speaker 1: like they just go home. Like I was like, wow, 643 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:21,160 Speaker 1: I mean you forget once you get into camp, you're like, Oh, 644 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:24,920 Speaker 1: it's not always like this, Like they lead maybe slightly 645 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:28,040 Speaker 1: more normal lives outside of this three to four weeks stretch, 646 00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:30,720 Speaker 1: and I think they're they're looking forward to it. Yeah, 647 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:33,720 Speaker 1: I don't see there being any question. They are very 648 00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:37,120 Speaker 1: much looking forward to it. Uh, what are we looking 649 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:41,040 Speaker 1: forward to tomorrow in the final training camp practice open 650 00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:43,719 Speaker 1: to the public. Mr Gribble, I don't know if I'm 651 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:45,760 Speaker 1: looking forward to the practice. I'm looking forward to who's 652 00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:48,640 Speaker 1: gonna be on the podium afterward? And QB one is 653 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:52,960 Speaker 1: gonna be on the podium afterward? I don't Yeah, there's 654 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:56,080 Speaker 1: a story or two today. There's some things out there, right, 655 00:29:56,480 --> 00:30:00,280 Speaker 1: some topics to discuss. Yeah, yeah, should be U should 656 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:02,400 Speaker 1: be interesting to see how that. Maybe have a couple 657 00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:06,240 Speaker 1: of sound bites and tomorrow. Yeah, that's why I'm looking 658 00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:08,080 Speaker 1: for you. I've seen enough on the field, I think, 659 00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:12,720 Speaker 1: I think we all have, and I think tomorrow the 660 00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,800 Speaker 1: forecast is a little iffy. We'll we'll see how it 661 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,800 Speaker 1: plays out. But we've been able to get every practice 662 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,600 Speaker 1: for the fan base, which I don't remember that ever 663 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:24,320 Speaker 1: being the case. Yeah, we've had a had a perfect run, 664 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,920 Speaker 1: not even really even not really had any close calls either. 665 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:30,880 Speaker 1: That's the perks of morning. Let's keep them in the 666 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:33,520 Speaker 1: morning forever. It would have been a number of these 667 00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:35,880 Speaker 1: bagged had they been the afternoon. Now that, now that 668 00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:39,440 Speaker 1: we've discussed this, of course we're James Tomorrow little rain. 669 00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:43,680 Speaker 1: The forecast it does say am thunderstorms, which is a 670 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:46,040 Speaker 1: rarity on there. You don't see that to start late 671 00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:48,320 Speaker 1: tonight into tomorrow morning, So we'll kind of see how 672 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:51,520 Speaker 1: it plays out. Do they go hard tomorrow Tomorrow a 673 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:54,040 Speaker 1: hard day leading up to the Friday game. I think 674 00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:56,720 Speaker 1: I think they'll still be in pads. I think this 675 00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:59,240 Speaker 1: this is a day where, if it wasn't Freddie Kitchens, 676 00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:01,360 Speaker 1: I would say, all you'll in shells, which is shoulder 677 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:05,200 Speaker 1: pads and shorts and the helmets of course, But with him, 678 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:07,880 Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, there's a certain point of 679 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:10,440 Speaker 1: comfort where you know, shorts don't quite feel as good 680 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:12,880 Speaker 1: as as your pants, like you're you're you know, with 681 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,280 Speaker 1: the pads in them. He just it doesn't it feels like, well, 682 00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:17,440 Speaker 1: maybe guys are gonna go at lower speed because you're 683 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:19,840 Speaker 1: not in your full pads. And I think they're so 684 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:21,600 Speaker 1: accustomed to it at this point, they've been in full 685 00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:23,600 Speaker 1: pads for every day except for the day after the 686 00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:27,360 Speaker 1: first preseason game against Washington, that maybe he just keeps 687 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:28,880 Speaker 1: them in pads and they just go to lighter temple 688 00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:31,240 Speaker 1: and that's and it's in. It will be interesting to 689 00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:34,680 Speaker 1: see because who plays Friday night and who doesn't play 690 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:36,920 Speaker 1: Friday night because this will be the last real day 691 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:38,920 Speaker 1: of work, right if they're not playing on Friday night, 692 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:40,760 Speaker 1: part of me wonders, and maybe I'm trying to think 693 00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:45,000 Speaker 1: next level here. He he appreciated the the guys that 694 00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:47,719 Speaker 1: gave it all for the team on defense. Do they 695 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:50,000 Speaker 1: get a little bit of a breather in in a 696 00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:53,000 Speaker 1: Friday's game because they played a little bit more. Definitely 697 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,640 Speaker 1: played more in the offense, even even compared to the 698 00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:57,920 Speaker 1: offensive guys that played like the offensive line. I mean, 699 00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:00,560 Speaker 1: Terrence Mitchell, Greedy Williams played thirty two snaw us last week. 700 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,680 Speaker 1: That's a lot for for the main guys. There were 701 00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:06,560 Speaker 1: still four defensive players only played one series, both the 702 00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,200 Speaker 1: safeties and both the linebackers. Those guys got out of 703 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:10,560 Speaker 1: there in a hurry. The rest of those guys played 704 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:14,200 Speaker 1: a little longer. So dude, does he step it back 705 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:16,680 Speaker 1: a little bit with the defense and maybe increase it 706 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:18,120 Speaker 1: a little bit for the offense. I mean, we'll see. 707 00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:20,280 Speaker 1: I think we're all in agreement. Will be stunned if 708 00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:22,720 Speaker 1: we see the whole three quarters thing. I just don't 709 00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:25,440 Speaker 1: know if that's it's trending that way. I don't think 710 00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:28,680 Speaker 1: he subscribes to that. I think school of thought, and 711 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,200 Speaker 1: it's more about where they are individually, and they evaluate 712 00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:33,360 Speaker 1: on a practice by practice basis, he said yesterday, and 713 00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:36,360 Speaker 1: I think that's really what's gonna drive his decision more 714 00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:38,760 Speaker 1: than anything. But I do like Gribble's theory. I think 715 00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:41,240 Speaker 1: that there is some weight to that because a lot 716 00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:42,880 Speaker 1: of those defenders played last week and a lot of 717 00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:45,360 Speaker 1: the offensive guys didn't play. However, I don't think Odell 718 00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:49,960 Speaker 1: Beckham Jr. Is gonna play. And that's perfectly fine with Miles. Yeah, 719 00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:54,920 Speaker 1: just enjoy the view. Enjoy the view mix. Yeah, exactly. 720 00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:57,760 Speaker 1: All right. That's gonna wrap up today's Best Podcast Available. 721 00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:00,160 Speaker 1: Log on to Cleveland Browns dot com or where where 722 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:04,520 Speaker 1: you get your podcasts for all of our shows uh 723 00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:08,320 Speaker 1: in two thousand and nineteen from training camp. We will 724 00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:10,240 Speaker 1: have a couple more next week leading up to the 725 00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:14,160 Speaker 1: final preseason game of the year. We'll kind of we'll 726 00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:17,040 Speaker 1: figure out the next steps for the best podcast Available. 727 00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:20,080 Speaker 1: For Andrew Gribble, for Nick Shook, I'm Jason Gibbs. 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