WEBVTT - Whatever happened to...? 0:00:00.320 --> 0:00:02.880 Brought to you by the reinvented two thousand twelve camera. 0:00:03.240 --> 0:00:08.760 It's ready. Are you get in touch with technology? With 0:00:08.920 --> 0:00:14.480 tech Stuff from how stuff Works dot com. Hello, everybody, 0:00:14.720 --> 0:00:17.200 welcome to tech Stuff. My name is Chris Polette. I'm 0:00:17.239 --> 0:00:19.759 an editor here and how Stuff Works dot Com. And 0:00:19.800 --> 0:00:23.880 sitting next to me, as usual, is senior writer Jonathan Strickland. 0:00:24.040 --> 0:00:28.639 Hey there, and you know, didn't we have a podcast 0:00:28.760 --> 0:00:30.680 like the one we were going to do? Now? Yeah, 0:00:30.720 --> 0:00:34.080 we we did, but um and it actually went live. 0:00:34.200 --> 0:00:36.680 But this is a different one. Oh okay, Well, whatever 0:00:36.720 --> 0:00:38.960 happened to that? It went live? It went live. It 0:00:39.080 --> 0:00:40.959 is live because it was it was what the heck 0:00:41.000 --> 0:00:43.239 happened to the future? Well, yeah, which is similar to 0:00:43.280 --> 0:00:45.559 this one, yes, which, and today we decided this one 0:00:45.600 --> 0:00:50.279 would be whatever happened to dot dot dot? So who 0:00:50.360 --> 0:00:52.320 wants to start? I think you need to start. You've 0:00:52.320 --> 0:00:55.240 got a very impressive one that you want to go. 0:00:55.840 --> 0:00:59.800 It's the love of your life, I would say, technological life. 0:00:59.800 --> 0:01:03.400 And well with with the last podcast, we were wondering 0:01:03.600 --> 0:01:06.640 about all these things that never really materialized and uh, 0:01:06.720 --> 0:01:11.200 you know protect things they call that vaporware, stuff that 0:01:11.240 --> 0:01:15.360 just never shows up. Um, and in this case, uh, 0:01:15.480 --> 0:01:17.640 most of what we decided to talk about, or at 0:01:17.680 --> 0:01:20.800 least the thing that he's talking about that I'm so 0:01:20.920 --> 0:01:24.560 interested in the things that came out, but then they 0:01:24.600 --> 0:01:27.080 just sort of disappeared, They went away, and we haven't 0:01:27.120 --> 0:01:28.560 heard about them. And the one that I was going 0:01:28.600 --> 0:01:33.280 to start with is my very first computer, the Commodore Amiga. 0:01:33.600 --> 0:01:35.800 And those of you who have been in tech stuff 0:01:35.840 --> 0:01:39.720 for a long time, uh, probably remember the Amiga at 0:01:39.760 --> 0:01:41.640 least a little bit. I've run into a lot of 0:01:41.640 --> 0:01:45.560 people who just go, oh, yeah, well, um, the Amiga 0:01:45.680 --> 0:01:49.120 was the brainchild of somebody named J. Minor Um. They 0:01:49.160 --> 0:01:52.160 actually started as a company called high Toro, and they 0:01:52.160 --> 0:01:53.840 had this idea that they were going to build a 0:01:53.880 --> 0:01:56.760 computer that was sort of low cost but could do 0:01:56.800 --> 0:01:59.520 a lot of stuff. And we're talking back in the 0:02:00.120 --> 0:02:03.800 early nineteen eighties when people didn't have computers on their desktops. 0:02:04.360 --> 0:02:06.280 Those of you, the younger set who are listening to 0:02:06.280 --> 0:02:08.760 this are probably going, what people didn't always have computers 0:02:08.760 --> 0:02:14.920 on their desktops? Shut up anyway, um, um this original 0:02:15.000 --> 0:02:19.000 Amigo one thousand, Um. Well, just a tiny bit of 0:02:19.000 --> 0:02:22.160 background on the company, so High Toro sort of shot 0:02:22.240 --> 0:02:24.160 the idea around. They were trying to make some money 0:02:24.160 --> 0:02:27.240 so that they could actually release the the computer and 0:02:27.320 --> 0:02:30.959 Jack Tramiel then at Atari gave them a million dollars 0:02:31.000 --> 0:02:34.480 as an investment, UM, but they couldn't pay it back, 0:02:34.840 --> 0:02:36.720 and so he made an offer to buy the company, 0:02:37.520 --> 0:02:40.200 which they felt was kind of low and um basically 0:02:40.280 --> 0:02:43.560 Commodore picked him up and helped him, you know, helped 0:02:43.639 --> 0:02:47.080 him out, and they launched the Amigo one thousand and uh. 0:02:47.160 --> 0:02:49.360 It's notable for a couple of reasons. One it was 0:02:49.440 --> 0:02:51.520 it was powered by a motor role of sixty eight 0:02:51.520 --> 0:02:53.640 thousand ship, which is the same ship you found in 0:02:53.800 --> 0:02:58.880 the very very first Macintosh or the atari xt computers, 0:02:59.760 --> 0:03:02.000 and was the big competitor to the IBM which was 0:03:02.080 --> 0:03:06.239 on chet at that point. I think the IBM PC 0:03:06.360 --> 0:03:10.920 the very first PC. Um and uh so you know, 0:03:11.120 --> 0:03:13.400 big deal. What's what's the big deal? Well, at that 0:03:13.440 --> 0:03:18.079 point it had stereo sound and four thousand ninety six colors. 0:03:18.480 --> 0:03:22.400 We're talking. Other people using IBM PCs were on monochrome monitors, 0:03:22.440 --> 0:03:26.280 you know, black and white, tan and black and green, 0:03:26.400 --> 0:03:30.760 that lovely green. Yeah. See. And and in the early 0:03:31.080 --> 0:03:34.760 early Apple machines, UM, you know from the Apple too. Well, 0:03:34.800 --> 0:03:38.000 the Apple two had color. But then you know this 0:03:38.120 --> 0:03:39.680 this was kind of it was sort of an advanced thing, 0:03:39.720 --> 0:03:41.880 and it also split up the computing power into a 0:03:41.920 --> 0:03:44.200 bunch of different chips. It wasn't just a microprocessor. It 0:03:44.240 --> 0:03:48.360 also had other things UM that helped the microprocessor run tasks, 0:03:48.440 --> 0:03:51.400 which was at that point pretty revolutionary. And you would 0:03:51.400 --> 0:03:54.560 have figured that a computer that advanced would have dominated 0:03:54.600 --> 0:03:57.880 the market. Well, they didn't come out with UH some 0:03:57.880 --> 0:04:01.520 some newer models. See, the original ones had something called kickstart, 0:04:01.560 --> 0:04:04.240 which was a floppy disk that you had to insert 0:04:04.320 --> 0:04:07.080 just to get the computer started, and then you write 0:04:07.080 --> 0:04:09.040 a boot disk, but it was on a floppy and 0:04:09.040 --> 0:04:12.000 then you'd have to eject that and put in the workbench, 0:04:12.080 --> 0:04:14.000 which is what we think of today, you know, the 0:04:14.040 --> 0:04:17.800 desktop with all your folders and and different icons on it. UM. 0:04:17.839 --> 0:04:22.360 The very first Amigas didn't even have hard drives in them. UM, 0:04:22.440 --> 0:04:24.720 and then they came out with a couple other ones. UM. 0:04:24.839 --> 0:04:28.520 That first one launched in UH and I got mine 0:04:28.720 --> 0:04:32.240 shortly after that. But in UM eighty seven they came 0:04:32.240 --> 0:04:34.359 out with the Amiga two thousand, and that was a 0:04:34.360 --> 0:04:37.240 bigger machine with a hard drive, and then a smaller 0:04:37.279 --> 0:04:40.360 one which was sort of the utilitarian Commodore sixty four 0:04:40.440 --> 0:04:43.760 VIC twenty of the Amiga's was the Amiga five hundred. 0:04:43.839 --> 0:04:47.279 It was really affordable all in one machine and started 0:04:47.320 --> 0:04:49.920 catching on, especially in Europe. It was very popular in Europe. 0:04:50.440 --> 0:04:53.480 UM the two thousand was popular because it knew. A 0:04:53.520 --> 0:04:55.200 company called New Tech came out with something called the 0:04:55.279 --> 0:05:00.200 Video Toaster, and suddenly everybody could do video processing on 0:05:00.240 --> 0:05:03.279 their computers. They could take video and they could put 0:05:03.760 --> 0:05:06.560 super impositions on it, you could put credits on it. 0:05:06.640 --> 0:05:09.240 A lot of TV shows started using because it was 0:05:09.240 --> 0:05:12.159 a really affordable system compared to the big systems you 0:05:12.200 --> 0:05:15.200 see in the giant control rooms on all those documentaries 0:05:15.200 --> 0:05:18.800 on TV. UM and after that they and and had 0:05:18.800 --> 0:05:22.240 sort of modest success. Uh. They came out with a 0:05:22.240 --> 0:05:25.080 couple of different systems, The c D t V and 0:05:25.120 --> 0:05:28.080 the c D thirty two were attempts at sort of 0:05:28.120 --> 0:05:31.640 the home TV version of you know, being able to 0:05:31.720 --> 0:05:35.000 run Amiga games on your TV. But Commodore started running 0:05:35.000 --> 0:05:38.880 into some financial problems and they eventually ended up declaring 0:05:39.279 --> 0:05:43.000 bankruptcy and liquidating all their assets. And after that happened 0:05:43.040 --> 0:05:46.960 a couple of different companies bottom Um, Gateway of the 0:05:47.040 --> 0:05:50.240 cow famous cow boxes bought them out and actually started 0:05:50.279 --> 0:05:53.159 doing something with the technology. But the problem is it 0:05:54.000 --> 0:05:56.280 this all happened at a very critical point when other 0:05:56.279 --> 0:06:01.080 computers were starting to become mass market mainstream software machines, 0:06:01.440 --> 0:06:03.000 you know, and there are all sorts of different things 0:06:03.040 --> 0:06:06.920 being written for it. Whendows three point one came out, um, 0:06:07.000 --> 0:06:10.400 you know, and then the Macintosh operating system started hitting 0:06:10.400 --> 0:06:14.080 its stride. The atari xt machines went away, so that 0:06:14.200 --> 0:06:17.039 was the real competition. And by this point, by the 0:06:17.040 --> 0:06:19.279 time they started getting back on their feet with Gateway, 0:06:19.440 --> 0:06:23.080 they were too far behind. Yeah, and uh, currently the 0:06:23.120 --> 0:06:26.760 company is owned by some Amiga enthusiasts. Gateway sold it off. 0:06:27.440 --> 0:06:30.320 And um, there is an Amiga OS four point one. 0:06:30.440 --> 0:06:33.600 It runs on a system called the Amiga one SC. Basically, 0:06:33.640 --> 0:06:37.000 it's running on power PC chips, which the Macintosh abandoned 0:06:37.040 --> 0:06:39.640 a few years ago. Um, but you can, if you 0:06:39.720 --> 0:06:42.320 really want to buy, you can make your own Amiga 0:06:42.640 --> 0:06:45.240 and buy a power PC motherboard for it. And um, 0:06:45.279 --> 0:06:47.960 it's actually somewhat affordable. I mean, the mother the cost 0:06:48.000 --> 0:06:51.039 the motherboard and the software is about um A hundred 0:06:51.040 --> 0:06:53.960 and fifty dollars something like that. So you could actually 0:06:53.960 --> 0:06:56.040 do this as a hobby, but not a lot of 0:06:56.040 --> 0:06:58.720 people are writing software for it anymore. So it's kind 0:06:58.760 --> 0:07:02.080 of they got minded a very bad time and have 0:07:02.240 --> 0:07:05.839 struggled to do it. But there are still some very demoted, demoted, 0:07:06.160 --> 0:07:10.720 very devoted Amiga fans out there. Yeah, don't talk about 0:07:11.320 --> 0:07:14.520 and fifty dollars for an obsolete system that can't run anything. 0:07:14.640 --> 0:07:17.760 Is uh, that's right up your alley. Yeah, you're welcome. 0:07:17.960 --> 0:07:20.160 But you know, it's still thought of as a very 0:07:20.240 --> 0:07:22.960 very powerful system. It's just thought of as a very 0:07:23.040 --> 0:07:25.280 old It would have been really neat if it had 0:07:25.320 --> 0:07:28.720 caught on sort of thing and exactly whatever happened to 0:07:29.240 --> 0:07:32.920 defect and that, and that's exactly what what drove me 0:07:32.960 --> 0:07:35.840 to this. So what what's your one? Um, I'm not 0:07:35.920 --> 0:07:39.040 going to wax as eloquent as uh as Chris did 0:07:39.120 --> 0:07:41.280 over the Amiga. It was a pet project. It just 0:07:41.360 --> 0:07:43.800 turns out that I don't have this soft spot for 0:07:44.160 --> 0:07:47.239 any particular technology. Um, you know, I'm a hard hearted, 0:07:48.600 --> 0:07:52.000 macho guy. So anyway, UM, I wanted to talk a 0:07:52.000 --> 0:07:57.720 little bit about the Capacitance Electronic disc player e D 0:07:57.920 --> 0:08:04.200 which was developed by R C A. Lots of okay PDQ. 0:08:04.560 --> 0:08:08.440 So the C E D. Now, a lot of people 0:08:08.600 --> 0:08:13.040 have heard about the whole the whole videotape war, you know, 0:08:13.080 --> 0:08:16.200 the format war, which was the old VHS versus Beta Max. 0:08:17.360 --> 0:08:19.680 What you may not remember is that there were several 0:08:19.720 --> 0:08:22.480 other formats that came out around the same time as 0:08:22.600 --> 0:08:25.680 VHS and Beta Max were battling it out. Because even 0:08:25.800 --> 0:08:29.360 back then it was they were pretty expensive systems. VHS 0:08:29.400 --> 0:08:33.199 systems were not cheap and um so there were a 0:08:33.240 --> 0:08:35.520 lot of alternatives that hit the market, and some of 0:08:35.520 --> 0:08:37.760 them were more successful than others. Like laser disc was 0:08:37.760 --> 0:08:40.920 a pretty successful one. It wasn't dominant, but it was successful, 0:08:41.000 --> 0:08:46.000 had higher quality, had a really uh devoted and almost 0:08:46.040 --> 0:08:49.960 maniacal fan base. Um I never owned a laser disc system, 0:08:50.000 --> 0:08:53.360 but my family purchased a ce D player, and what 0:08:53.559 --> 0:08:57.200 C e d s were were imagine, if you will, 0:08:57.559 --> 0:09:01.080 an album cover for a vinyl album. If any of 0:09:01.120 --> 0:09:03.320 you out there remember what those look like, they're coming back, 0:09:03.360 --> 0:09:07.400 So I would imagine you've probably seen one giant dis Yeah, 0:09:07.440 --> 0:09:10.720 but inside an album cover, so you have it's a square, 0:09:11.000 --> 0:09:14.440 not not a sphere. On a circle so square, So 0:09:14.520 --> 0:09:18.000 you're that's what the discs looked like. Um. And actually 0:09:18.080 --> 0:09:20.640 it was a plastic coating that covered the disk. The 0:09:20.679 --> 0:09:24.800 disc itself was inside the plastic. You slide that into 0:09:24.840 --> 0:09:28.640 the player, and the player had a diamond tipped stylus 0:09:29.200 --> 0:09:32.840 that would go across the surface of the disk inside 0:09:32.880 --> 0:09:37.319 this plastic casing, and it would measure the differences between 0:09:37.400 --> 0:09:41.120 the peaks and valleys on that disk to create the 0:09:41.240 --> 0:09:44.200 video and audio that you would see on your television 0:09:44.200 --> 0:09:47.120 when you hooked it up to the TV. And halfway 0:09:47.120 --> 0:09:49.880 through a movie, you would be forced to to take 0:09:50.000 --> 0:09:53.120 the plastic casing out, flip it over, put it back 0:09:53.120 --> 0:09:55.440 in the player, and push play to watch the rest 0:09:55.440 --> 0:09:58.320 of it. And uh, and I think it could do 0:09:58.440 --> 0:10:02.000 maybe forty five minutes, maybe an hour per side. Um. 0:10:02.040 --> 0:10:05.240 And we had one of these, and uh, I can 0:10:05.320 --> 0:10:07.080 I remember two of the movies that we had on 0:10:07.120 --> 0:10:09.160 it specifically. I remember we had Singing in the Rain 0:10:09.720 --> 0:10:11.880 and we had Raizors of the Lost Arc And I 0:10:11.880 --> 0:10:14.880 remember watching those movies a lot, which kind of explains 0:10:14.880 --> 0:10:18.880 my personality. I think, yeah, it explains why I start 0:10:18.960 --> 0:10:23.160 tap dancing with whips on a nearly daily basis also 0:10:23.600 --> 0:10:25.720 wonderful hobby, but I can't get into it. That's a 0:10:25.720 --> 0:10:30.319 different podcast. So anyway, this uh, this system surprisingly did 0:10:30.360 --> 0:10:32.920 not take off. For one thing, you couldn't record to it. 0:10:32.920 --> 0:10:36.800 It was just a play only format. Um. So VHS 0:10:36.880 --> 0:10:39.880 had an advantage over that. Um. Also, it's just kind 0:10:39.880 --> 0:10:42.640 of bulky, and you know, I just didn't have a 0:10:42.679 --> 0:10:47.400 whole huge amount of appeal for most people besides my family, 0:10:47.880 --> 0:10:51.400 and so our c A halted production in nine six, 0:10:51.480 --> 0:10:53.760 and that was about the same time that VHS was 0:10:53.800 --> 0:10:56.359 really getting affordable and was taking over in the marketplace. 0:10:56.480 --> 0:11:00.160 So that's what happened to the C E D. So 0:11:00.200 --> 0:11:02.200 I have to ask you, I have to ask you 0:11:02.280 --> 0:11:06.080 the geeky question here. Do you still have it somewhere? 0:11:06.480 --> 0:11:10.040 I I, personally we do not still have it. Does 0:11:10.080 --> 0:11:13.120 your family still own it? So my parents house, in 0:11:13.240 --> 0:11:17.880 the laundry room over in one corner sits the C 0:11:18.000 --> 0:11:21.920 E D player and our collection of ce ED disks. Yeah, 0:11:21.920 --> 0:11:24.000 that's that's kind of what I figured, because I don't 0:11:24.040 --> 0:11:27.320 ever throw anything out. I have both of my old amigas. 0:11:27.600 --> 0:11:31.920 So yeah, all right, next, oh yes, um, speaking of 0:11:32.040 --> 0:11:35.760 other technologies that caught on for a while and then 0:11:36.000 --> 0:11:40.480 sort of disappeared. Uh, the Colico vision. Yes, I think 0:11:40.520 --> 0:11:42.640 actually you suggested this one to me because I had 0:11:42.679 --> 0:11:45.360 sort of been thinking about different game systems, and then 0:11:45.440 --> 0:11:47.880 I think this would have exemplifies that whatever happened to 0:11:48.200 --> 0:11:51.760 because you have Nintendo and you've got Atari, which you 0:11:51.800 --> 0:11:54.719 know has been here and then left and then been 0:11:54.800 --> 0:11:57.200 here again. But you know, the Clico sort of just 0:11:57.240 --> 0:11:59.040 fell off the face of the earth. So I did 0:11:59.040 --> 0:12:02.280 some research into it, and like Nintendo, actually they started 0:12:02.280 --> 0:12:06.240 out doing something entirely different. Um, and they're very old. Uh. 0:12:06.400 --> 0:12:10.240 Kaliko was started in nineteen thirty two the Connecticut Leather Company, 0:12:10.320 --> 0:12:13.480 which is where co Leko comes from. Um, they sold 0:12:13.559 --> 0:12:17.280 leather to shoemakers. But in nineteen sixty video game console, 0:12:17.320 --> 0:12:20.800 I mean obvious progression. Hey, Nintendo made playing cards. Well 0:12:20.840 --> 0:12:23.760 I guess it's I mean, what games can you play 0:12:23.800 --> 0:12:27.280 with leaven? Never mind, we're getting back to the whips thing, 0:12:27.280 --> 0:12:30.360 aren't we? Just all right? In nineteen sixty they were 0:12:30.520 --> 0:12:32.800 they started getting into plastic and they were making pools 0:12:32.840 --> 0:12:34.960 and apparently at one point they were one of the 0:12:35.080 --> 0:12:40.120 largest above ground pool manufacturers in the world. Um, they 0:12:40.160 --> 0:12:43.360 started getting into they basically dropped the leather stuff entirely 0:12:43.920 --> 0:12:47.199 and started getting into other plastic stuff and entertainment stuff. 0:12:47.240 --> 0:12:49.520 And uh, they came out with the Tellstar and Long 0:12:49.559 --> 0:12:53.920 Time Listeners. No, that was their entry into the video 0:12:53.920 --> 0:12:58.160 game for format, and I own still own again being 0:12:58.200 --> 0:13:01.640 the geek, I have the Library of Electronic Things, Uh 0:13:01.760 --> 0:13:03.760 tell Us, which is essentially a palm game. There's three 0:13:03.800 --> 0:13:05.880 different versions of it, and they lost money on it. 0:13:06.480 --> 0:13:10.040 But that was in two. They tried again with the 0:13:10.120 --> 0:13:14.800 Colico Vision and again this is our thirty something coming out, 0:13:15.200 --> 0:13:17.719 but you know, it was really popular. As a matter 0:13:17.760 --> 0:13:21.640 of fact, they sold six million systems in three years, 0:13:22.160 --> 0:13:25.800 which is not insubstantial. I mean, I realized that the 0:13:26.000 --> 0:13:30.120 WE and Xbox three sixty are blowing by that pretty quickly. 0:13:30.160 --> 0:13:33.559 But uh, this was in the infant infancy of the 0:13:33.640 --> 0:13:36.680 video game two. This was not you know, people didn't 0:13:36.679 --> 0:13:40.480 have two to shell over for a for a system 0:13:40.520 --> 0:13:42.680 like that, and I imagine it was a price tag 0:13:42.760 --> 0:13:46.760 like that seems pretty cheap now anyway, Um, they were 0:13:46.760 --> 0:13:51.360 beating Atari with the and the Mattel in television, which 0:13:51.400 --> 0:13:55.760 I know, some of which I had an out a vcs. UM. 0:13:56.160 --> 0:13:57.800 The problem is, and they even came out with a 0:13:57.840 --> 0:14:00.320 home computer to piggyback on that, the Atom, which had 0:14:00.360 --> 0:14:03.280 a tape drive that came out in eight three. And 0:14:03.280 --> 0:14:06.040 you think, well, these guys were heavy into the computer 0:14:06.280 --> 0:14:11.040 and video game business. Well, unfortunately there was a crash 0:14:11.200 --> 0:14:15.720 of the video game industry, and uh, they were pretty 0:14:15.760 --> 0:14:18.720 good about seeing that coming. They dove out right before 0:14:18.880 --> 0:14:22.960 they dropped the video game thing altogether, right as it 0:14:23.040 --> 0:14:27.240 was about to really hit. But unfortunately they they couldn't 0:14:27.280 --> 0:14:30.560 sustain their business. They did have the successful Cabbage Patch 0:14:30.640 --> 0:14:36.160 doll um but unfortunately, by they had filed for bankruptcy 0:14:36.280 --> 0:14:42.920 and they were bought by hasbro Ine and ironically Mattel. Mattel, 0:14:43.000 --> 0:14:44.920 who was their competitor that they were beating the pants 0:14:44.920 --> 0:14:48.080 off of with the the video game system now owns 0:14:48.240 --> 0:14:51.680 the Cabbage Patch doll. So there are remnants of Calico around, 0:14:52.400 --> 0:14:56.360 but the company itself is long been Modo. Cabbage Patch 0:14:56.960 --> 0:15:00.760 Baby Land General been there, that still exists. It's just 0:15:00.800 --> 0:15:02.440 down the road from us here in Atlanta. Yeah, not 0:15:02.480 --> 0:15:05.600 too far. Um. So, yeah, you were mentioning Atari and 0:15:05.680 --> 0:15:07.520 also the video game crash. We can talk a little 0:15:07.520 --> 0:15:10.200 bit about what caused that. Essentially, what caused it was 0:15:10.280 --> 0:15:14.200 loads and loads of really crappy games. Um. Yes. The 0:15:14.240 --> 0:15:18.840 problem was that developers saw the video game industry as 0:15:18.880 --> 0:15:20.600 like a gold mine and that all you had to 0:15:20.600 --> 0:15:23.800 do was throw some programming together, put it on a cartridge, 0:15:23.840 --> 0:15:25.680 slap some art on it, put in a box, and 0:15:25.680 --> 0:15:28.360 you would just have a license to print money. But 0:15:28.440 --> 0:15:31.040 that meant that there was very little quality control going on, 0:15:31.160 --> 0:15:35.720 and none of the video game console manufacturers had anything 0:15:35.720 --> 0:15:38.640 in place to do quality control. They didn't care. They 0:15:38.720 --> 0:15:42.160 just they were creating the device upon which you played games. 0:15:42.760 --> 0:15:46.720 And um. Eventually, this huge glut of terrible games destroyed 0:15:46.760 --> 0:15:50.000 the market. I owned some of these terrible games. I 0:15:50.000 --> 0:15:52.640 owned the worst game ever made, according to most people, 0:15:52.640 --> 0:15:56.320 which was et Um. I knew what that was when 0:15:56.360 --> 0:16:00.160 you said that, yeah, stupid game. UM still can't beat 0:16:00.000 --> 0:16:04.040 a darn thing anyway. So yeah, Atari suffered many of 0:16:04.040 --> 0:16:06.760 the same problems. That suffered the same setbacks during the 0:16:06.760 --> 0:16:09.840 the video game crash, but it actually stayed afloat it, 0:16:10.240 --> 0:16:13.240 you know, and they Atari came back to uh they 0:16:13.320 --> 0:16:16.120 developed the hundred and that was gonna be like their 0:16:16.160 --> 0:16:19.800 next big thing, and then the the the company got sold. Um. 0:16:20.040 --> 0:16:22.880 The someone bought the Atari Company, and Atari split up 0:16:22.880 --> 0:16:27.040 into two major different companies. There was the company that 0:16:27.080 --> 0:16:29.840 did the design for video games, and then there was 0:16:29.880 --> 0:16:34.320 the company that did computers and video game consoles and um. So, 0:16:34.400 --> 0:16:38.200 they tried to come out back when the Sony Nintendo 0:16:38.280 --> 0:16:41.520 Wars began. Um so, this is after the video game 0:16:41.560 --> 0:16:44.600 crash and the rebirth of the video game industry. They 0:16:44.640 --> 0:16:47.720 tried to come out with you know, they they tried 0:16:47.760 --> 0:16:50.200 a couple of times, but the Atari Jaguar was their 0:16:50.240 --> 0:16:54.000 final attempt, and that just didn't didn't really take off 0:16:54.000 --> 0:16:56.920 in the marketplace, even though it had pretty good stats 0:16:57.000 --> 0:16:58.840 in the sense of like if you compared it side 0:16:58.840 --> 0:17:01.880 by side with its contemporary areas, it wasn't a bad system. 0:17:01.960 --> 0:17:04.280 It just didn't get a lot of support, and it 0:17:05.200 --> 0:17:11.360 died essentially in n and UH and now um both versions, 0:17:11.440 --> 0:17:14.800 both major divisions of Atari are just kind of minor 0:17:15.480 --> 0:17:20.080 departments in other companies like Hasbro and Midway Williams to 0:17:20.160 --> 0:17:24.160 be specific. All Right, how many more do you have? Well, 0:17:24.160 --> 0:17:25.639 I mean we could talk about the c d I, 0:17:25.720 --> 0:17:28.280 which was Phillips attempt at making a video game system 0:17:28.359 --> 0:17:30.600 which just crashed. I mean, they just didn't didn't have 0:17:30.640 --> 0:17:32.439 any good games on it, so no one bought it. 0:17:32.520 --> 0:17:35.440 That's what happened to that. Or we could talk about Sega. 0:17:35.800 --> 0:17:37.480 Did you want to talk about Sega? I I don't 0:17:37.520 --> 0:17:40.040 have Sega on my list, but well, again, I mean, 0:17:40.200 --> 0:17:42.240 here's very video game heavy, but I'll go ahead and 0:17:42.240 --> 0:17:44.920 talk about Sega very quickly. Um. Of course, they had 0:17:44.960 --> 0:17:47.760 the Genesis, the Saturn, the Dreamcast. These were all really, 0:17:47.920 --> 0:17:50.439 you know, pretty decent systems. I have a Dreamcast. I 0:17:50.480 --> 0:17:52.800 still love the heck out of that machine. It's a 0:17:52.880 --> 0:17:55.399 great video game. It was a very very popular system, 0:17:55.480 --> 0:17:58.560 and it was incredibly advanced when it came out. It 0:17:58.640 --> 0:18:01.560 beat the pants, you know, as far as graphics and 0:18:01.640 --> 0:18:04.919 sound are concerned, off the competition. But again, it just 0:18:05.480 --> 0:18:08.360 it didn't have the market share and didn't stay afloat, 0:18:08.840 --> 0:18:11.720 and so the Sega got out of doing hardware after 0:18:11.760 --> 0:18:14.800 the Dreamcast. Though, I hear rumors, and mind you, this 0:18:14.840 --> 0:18:17.920 is a rumor that Sega might get back into the game. 0:18:18.720 --> 0:18:22.400 Apparently they've they've trademarked a couple of different names, the 0:18:22.520 --> 0:18:27.080 Ring Wide and Ring Edge names, and some suspect that 0:18:27.080 --> 0:18:29.240 that might end up being a new game system. So 0:18:29.280 --> 0:18:31.439 we have to keep our eyes peeled. Well, you never know. 0:18:31.640 --> 0:18:34.840 They they they just haven't been the same. You know, 0:18:34.960 --> 0:18:38.280 poor Sonic, he's he's been a little blue. Oh wait, 0:18:38.280 --> 0:18:40.239 he's always a little blow. Okay, well go onto your 0:18:40.280 --> 0:18:43.680 next one. Well, it's funny that you had mentioned game 0:18:43.720 --> 0:18:46.320 systems because I was thinking about three D. Oh yeah, 0:18:46.720 --> 0:18:50.640 forgot all about that. Well that it happened exactly. Um. 0:18:50.720 --> 0:18:52.320 As a matter of fact, we had an article that 0:18:52.720 --> 0:18:56.720 we've found that we were doing. We had done an 0:18:56.760 --> 0:18:58.680 interview with someone at three D about how they created 0:18:58.760 --> 0:19:01.199 video games. We realized we should probably point out that 0:19:01.440 --> 0:19:04.639 three D o doesn't exist anymore. Um. But for a while, 0:19:04.680 --> 0:19:06.919 they were a hot, hot thing. They were thirty two 0:19:06.960 --> 0:19:10.000 bit system and they had licensed uh a number of 0:19:10.040 --> 0:19:16.240 different manufacturers including gold Star, Sanyo, Samsung, Creative Labs, Panasonic. 0:19:16.320 --> 0:19:20.320 They all had licenses to make the machines. Um. And uh, 0:19:20.440 --> 0:19:23.440 you know the thing is they weren't just a video 0:19:23.480 --> 0:19:26.480 game system. They were fancied themselves as sort of a 0:19:26.880 --> 0:19:31.280 early multimedia hub. But they played video games and that 0:19:31.359 --> 0:19:35.159 was their main thing. And with a seven ms RP 0:19:36.080 --> 0:19:39.920 that didn't help anything. Um. And you know, people saw 0:19:39.960 --> 0:19:42.800 it as in a really expensive game system. Um it did, 0:19:42.920 --> 0:19:45.160 and it had sort of limited internal memory at thirty 0:19:45.200 --> 0:19:48.200 two K, although everything was expandable. Was it was designed 0:19:48.240 --> 0:19:50.000 to be expanded to allow you to do lots of 0:19:50.040 --> 0:19:52.919 different things. But apparently it just never really caught on 0:19:52.960 --> 0:19:54.639 with the public's fancy. I know, I didn't have the 0:19:54.680 --> 0:19:56.800 seven hundred dollars to to show out for it. Part 0:19:56.840 --> 0:19:59.440 of the problem, I think is that computers as a 0:19:59.480 --> 0:20:01.560 whole where already able to do a lot of the 0:20:01.640 --> 0:20:04.000 things that these systems could do, and and some of 0:20:04.040 --> 0:20:06.920 the things that computers weren't good at, they were rapidly 0:20:06.960 --> 0:20:11.879 approaching getting good at those things. So why buy a 0:20:11.880 --> 0:20:14.240 new system when you could just invest in the system 0:20:14.240 --> 0:20:16.800 that you already have and are familiar with, and it 0:20:16.840 --> 0:20:20.440 has a huge library of software already. Um. I mean 0:20:20.480 --> 0:20:23.639 it just from a risk perspective, it made more sense 0:20:23.680 --> 0:20:25.960 to go with a computer than a console at that point. 0:20:26.800 --> 0:20:29.159 So it's a good idea in a way. It just 0:20:29.960 --> 0:20:32.119 you know, the problem was that it was an idea 0:20:32.200 --> 0:20:35.919 that the computer kind of already fulfilled. UM. I have 0:20:36.040 --> 0:20:39.320 one that has nothing to do with video games or entertainment. 0:20:40.080 --> 0:20:43.920 I wanted to talk about the Concorde. Yeah, the jet 0:20:43.960 --> 0:20:47.680 the supersonic jets. So um, yeah, this was the infamous 0:20:47.760 --> 0:20:50.480 jet that could go from like Paris to New York 0:20:50.480 --> 0:20:53.679 in just a few hours because it traveled at supersonic speeds, 0:20:53.680 --> 0:20:57.120 which means it went faster than the speed of sound. Um. 0:20:57.160 --> 0:20:59.560 And uh, well what happened to it? Why is the 0:20:59.600 --> 0:21:02.280 con are not around anymore? Well, the main reason is 0:21:02.280 --> 0:21:06.000 because on July in two thousand there was a catastrophic 0:21:06.080 --> 0:21:10.440 crash which killed everyone on board and it crashed in France. Um. 0:21:10.560 --> 0:21:13.439 And then from that point on it just there was 0:21:13.600 --> 0:21:15.760 there were a lot of problems getting the Concorde off 0:21:15.800 --> 0:21:20.080 the ground literally because people weren't booking tickets on it 0:21:20.160 --> 0:21:23.360 and it just wasn't Um. There was no way to 0:21:23.359 --> 0:21:27.800 to recoup the cost of operating the Concorde just from 0:21:27.840 --> 0:21:32.520 selling tickets, so it was super expensive to fly and maintain. 0:21:32.880 --> 0:21:35.399 And uh, I know it was also unpopular with people 0:21:35.400 --> 0:21:37.400 on the ground who hated hearing that thing fly over. 0:21:37.720 --> 0:21:42.240 Sonic booms are never very popular and um so in 0:21:42.240 --> 0:21:46.320 in uh, in early the early two thousand's, the the 0:21:46.359 --> 0:21:49.320 whole fleet was retired. Um. You can only really find 0:21:49.359 --> 0:21:53.239 them now in museums. Uh. And that's it. I mean, 0:21:53.240 --> 0:21:55.360 there just wasn't enough money to keep that program going, 0:21:55.400 --> 0:21:57.080 which is why you don't see a lot of you know, 0:21:57.240 --> 0:21:59.760 you know, you don't see the supersonic programs out there anymore. 0:22:00.000 --> 0:22:02.040 And of course some companies are now working on hyper 0:22:02.119 --> 0:22:06.280