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Speaker 1: But that didn't come until a bit later, until I

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Speaker 1: was a bit more you know, familiar with going out

441
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Speaker 1: and actually running on the trails, because before that point

442
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Speaker 1: I just had associated trails with hiking, and so it

443
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Speaker 1: was it was a steep learning curve from there. But

444
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Speaker 1: thankfully I had kind of Jane and her friends to

445
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Speaker 1: kind of pave the way. And there's just something incredible

446
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Speaker 1: about seeing someone who, I mean, who is doing this

447
00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:30,280
Speaker 1: when she's you know, like fifty something years old, and

448
00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:32,399
Speaker 1: she's not scared, and so you know she's doing it.

449
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Speaker 1: She's showing me what to do and saying that I

450
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Speaker 1: can do it, and I'm like, all right, well, like

451
00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:38,359
Speaker 1: let's do this, Like I don't, all right, there's no

452
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Speaker 1: reason why I can't do this. Learning from Janie was

453
00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:45,440
Speaker 1: just it was the biggest gift. And you know, she

454
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Speaker 1: she was not afraid and she you know, she was

455
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Speaker 1: early fifties and you know, like most you know, trying

456
00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:53,840
Speaker 1: new things or trying new trails, and she was super

457
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Speaker 1: encouraging to me, telling me and showing me that I

458
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Speaker 1: could do it, and like, it was so much fun

459
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Speaker 1: for me because I felt like I had nothing to prove.

460
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Speaker 1: There was no competition aspect to it. It was simply

461
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Speaker 1: learning and I was just trying to learn everything I

462
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Speaker 1: could from her. And I think it's different like later

463
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Speaker 1: as I started to run more by myself and gain

464
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Speaker 1: more confidence and meet other people, Like, yeah, sometimes I

465
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Speaker 1: think some of the little competition thing can get into it,

466
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Speaker 1: and you know, people start racing on a trail and

467
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Speaker 1: I was just always like not really drawn to that,

468
00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:29,720
Speaker 1: which is ironic because now I race like competitively. But

469
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Speaker 1: still how I view running, it's just very much how

470
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Speaker 1: Janey introduced me to it. It's a time for exploration.

471
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Speaker 1: It's a time to just get to play, let your

472
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Speaker 1: mind wander, and like that simplicity, just because there's no expectation,

473
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Speaker 1: it can bring so much freedom and creativity. And as

474
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Speaker 1: I was getting into running in graduate school, I just

475
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:56,520
Speaker 1: became a better scientist, I became a better person. I

476
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Speaker 1: felt just this lightness of being. I felt, you know,

477
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Speaker 1: just creative and full of energy, and running was a

478
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Speaker 1: huge kind of spark and motivation probably in every other

479
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Speaker 1: aspect of my life.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, for you, as you got more and more

481
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Speaker 3: into the sport, when did it shift from this thing

482
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Speaker 3: that you did on Sundays and maybe a little bit

483
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Speaker 3: more often as time went on, to like, Wow, yeah,

484
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Speaker 3: I'm in graduate school and this stuff is all cool

485
00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:27,520
Speaker 3: and everything, but maybe I should just do this running

486
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Speaker 3: thing a lot more.

487
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I tried. I'm a person that I think

488
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Speaker 1: I do a lot. I put a lot on my plate.

489
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Speaker 1: I like to say yes, I like to do a

490
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:41,080
Speaker 1: lot of things, and there can become a tipping point

491
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Speaker 1: where it's too much, and I was definitely reaching that

492
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Speaker 1: in graduate school at the time. In graduate school, I

493
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Speaker 1: was working probably seventy hours a week, so this required

494
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Speaker 1: me to come in on Saturdays, and my life was

495
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Speaker 1: just basically like you know, sleep, run, eat, graduate school things, study, repeat,

496
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Speaker 1: And you know, I wasn't I didn't really have a

497
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Speaker 1: social life except for the you know, other graduate students

498
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Speaker 1: in my in my cohort, and my running friends. Right

499
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 1: like that was my social outlet to be able to

500
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Speaker 1: go for a long run with them or just by myself.

501
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:18,440
Speaker 1: So I did my first marathon in twenty and twelve,

502
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Speaker 1: and that was a road marathon, and I dabbled in

503
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Speaker 1: like a other, like a couple other road things in

504
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Speaker 1: twenty twelve, But then it wasn't until twenty thirteen that

505
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Speaker 1: I ran my first trail race. And then twenty thirteen

506
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Speaker 1: was a really busy year for graduate school. I was

507
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Speaker 1: kind of doing my some just big projects, and so

508
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:41,800
Speaker 1: it wasn't an until twenty fourteen that I had my

509
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Speaker 1: first trail running season. And so my first trail running season, granted,

510
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 1: like I'm training for my first ultras, like my fifty

511
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Speaker 1: mile race and my first one, and this was all

512
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Speaker 1: for fun, like I had.

513
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Speaker 4: I actually I wanted.

514
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Speaker 1: To do the race just because I wanted an opportunity

515
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Speaker 1: to do the distance. And I had run a fifty

516
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Speaker 1: k and I was like, okay, I did that. It

517
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 1: wasn't too super super hard, like, uh, maybe I can

518
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Speaker 1: do a fifty and so all of this was for fun,

519
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:13,480
Speaker 1: just out of later.

520
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:17,480
Speaker 2: Literally it wasn't super hard. I meant like I.

521
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Speaker 1: Met like I ran okay. So for context, I suck

522
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:24,920
Speaker 1: at roads. I did a road marathon and I wasn't

523
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Speaker 1: satisfied with the time I had. I ran like a

524
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Speaker 1: three this is gonna make me sound like a jerk.

525
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Speaker 1: But like I ran a three fifteen marathon my first one,

526
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Speaker 1: and I was like this his this was this was hard,

527
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:39,200
Speaker 1: but like I want to try to break three hours.

528
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Speaker 1: And so I trained and I did the kind of

529
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Speaker 1: like a self supported, unsanctioned whatever. Janie was there, like

530
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:47,159
Speaker 1: riding her bike around Washington Park because I did laps

531
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Speaker 1: about them this thing, and so I ran a two

532
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 1: fifty one and I was like this sucks, Like I

533
00:27:55,320 --> 00:28:00,040
Speaker 1: don't want to do roads ever again. And yeah, So

534
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 1: than then a trail runner was born, and I was like,

535
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Speaker 1: the trails are fun. I'm just gonna do this. And

536
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:06,879
Speaker 1: so this was like I said, two end of twenty twelve.

537
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Speaker 1: So then by the time I was into twenty and fourteen,

538
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Speaker 1: like racing trails and like having fun, I was like

539
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:16,680
Speaker 1: I my perception of like hard was different. So when

540
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Speaker 1: I finished like a fifty k, I didn't feel as

541
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Speaker 1: wrecked as I felt after a road marathon, and I

542
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Speaker 1: was like, okay, like there's something I can explore here,

543
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Speaker 1: like PU like push go deeper. And so in twenty fourteen,

544
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Speaker 1: when I was you know, doing trails and kind of

545
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Speaker 1: exploring that I was getting more curious about how like

546
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 1: long these how these longer distances would be I don't know,

547
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 1: taken in my body, like how I could handle them,

548
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 1: because like that feeling of going all out in a

549
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 1: road marathon is just so different from trail running. And

550
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 1: so in twenty fourteen, I really wanted to like do

551
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Speaker 1: a bunch of races that just felt like that were

552
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 1: fun and that I was just interested in doing. And ironically,

553
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Speaker 1: this is this is where I realized that I had

554
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Speaker 1: some sort of potential. In twenty fourteen, I actually I

555
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 1: ran my first fifty and on that fifty mile run,

556
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 1: not only did I win, that was the first woman

557
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 1: I actually set a course record. And this was like

558
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Speaker 1: a woman who Darcy picked you, and she's been in

559
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 1: the sport.

560
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 4: For a while. She's a legend.

561
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 1: And so when I like crossed the finish line, I

562
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 1: was like, wait, are you serious, Like, because there's multiple races.

563
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 1: This was Big Horn fifty, there was like five other

564
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 1: races happening at the time, so I had no idea which,

565
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 1: you know, how which people I was passing for which race.

566
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 1: So when I crossed the finish line, I literally was like,

567
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 1: I think you guys made a mistake. There's no way

568
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 1: that I won. Then after that it was just kind

569
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 1: of this. I started getting more confident and I started,

570
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 1: you know, doing other races, and I think in twenty

571
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Speaker 1: fourteen I picked these races because they were interesting to

572
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 1: me and they were fun, like for instance, the speed

573
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Speaker 1: Goat fifty k like these pretty technical fifty kilometer so

574
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Speaker 1: about thirty one mile races with a lot of elevation gains.

575
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Speaker 1: So for instance, speed Goat was in Utah, so at

576
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Speaker 1: Snowboard a ski resort, but obviously in the summer, I

577
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 1: did this race called Run the Rut, which was in Montana,

578
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 1: so in Big Sky, Montana, right at Big Sky Ski Resort,

579
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Speaker 1: but again in the summer, and so you'd climb up

580
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 1: these like big steep hills and I loved this aspect

581
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 1: of trail running because I could hike because it was

582
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 1: steep enough you couldn't really run, And I don't know,

583
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 1: I just felt this like freedom that like you know,

584
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:34,160
Speaker 1: I was just going off of effort and feel because

585
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 1: your pace didn't really matter. You just kind of had

586
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 1: to go and see how it kind of turned out.

587
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 1: And after twenty fourteen I kind of had play like

588
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 1: run these different races, and I ended up winning the

589
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:50,479
Speaker 1: US Sky Running Series, like this whole series of races

590
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 1: because I had competed in some of these like races

591
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Speaker 1: that had qualified for this series, and.

592
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Speaker 4: Literally it was like an accident. I had no idea

593
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 4: that I was like actually competing in this series and

594
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 4: that I.

595
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:09,479
Speaker 1: Won, and until obviously the last race of the season,

596
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 1: and I'm just like, huh, okay, maybe there's something to this.

597
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 4: And granted this.

598
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 1: Was the whole This was all the while while I

599
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 1: was working sixty to seventy hours a week in graduate school.

600
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Speaker 1: And all of these races, like I mentioned, some of them,

601
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Speaker 1: you know, were big Sky Montana, some of them are

602
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 1: in Utah, others were in Arizona, some were in Colorado.

603
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 1: So this is you know, Usually a race would happen

604
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Speaker 1: on a Saturday, and I had to work in labs,

605
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 1: so I would go to lab early on Friday, and

606
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 1: I would leave, you know, after I got my work done,

607
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 1: and then sometimes get in the car for ten hours

608
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 1: at a time to drive to the race from Colorado,

609
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 1: you know, and then to try to compete in the weekend.

610
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Speaker 2: Geez.

611
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 3: And that was gonna be my question for you, was

612
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 3: like were you driving here? Were you flying here? How

613
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:57,959
Speaker 3: are you funding getting around and like indulging in this

614
00:31:58,000 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 3: thing that you started to love so much.

615
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, So, I mean I was like grad students do

616
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 1: not make that much money, and so it was definitely

617
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 1: like stringing together just kind of the scraps like but

618
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 1: just going purely off of passion. Like I would get

619
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 1: in my car and you know, I would go on

620
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 1: these epic road trips like I do like road trips

621
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 1: is kind of like with my upbringing. But it was

622
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 1: just because I loved it so much and I was

623
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 1: curious and I wanted to see a new state. I

624
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 1: wanted to instead of experiencing it as in a national

625
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 1: park like hiking like I did growing up, I wanted

626
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 1: to experience it on foot, running and it was a

627
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 1: really cool way to almost rediscover the United States, like

628
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 1: these different places that I had been before, but I

629
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 1: had never had a chance to run in like in

630
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 1: this in this certain area or experiencing it, you know,

631
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Speaker 1: as an adult. It was really freeing and I just

632
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 1: loved it so much that literally that was just my life.

633
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 1: It was like, you know, on on a weekend where

634
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 1: I had a race, I would try to you know,

635
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 1: front load my lab week so I would work like

636
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 1: ten hour days during the week you know in your

637
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:05,160
Speaker 1: tape RNs. So I was like, you know, trying to

638
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 1: work more, and then I would make it happen for

639
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 1: the for the weekends, and then you know, when I

640
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 1: was head tired on Monday, still try to you know,

641
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 1: string it together.

642
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 3: And would you be traveling to these places solo or

643
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 3: would you be bringing anyone along for the ride?

644
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, so it was a mix.

645
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 1: So I was dating a guy at the time, and

646
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 1: so he was really into running, and so we would

647
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 1: go on a lot of these road trips together and

648
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 1: even when we didn't have a race, sometimes he would

649
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 1: come to support me. I'd come to support him. But

650
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 1: you know, it was my friends who who wanted to

651
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 1: kind of go on a vacation, like moab is So

652
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 1: Moab Utah is really close close to Colorado. It's like

653
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 1: a six hour drive, so it's actually pretty easy to

654
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 1: do that on the weekend. So I would go to

655
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:53,760
Speaker 1: places like that, or go to the San Juan Mountains

656
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 1: and the other part of Colorado basically like the western

657
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Speaker 1: So I would go with my friends. I'd go with

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Speaker 1: these were huge questions to me because I had devoted

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Speaker 1: And I wanted to pursue science. But you know, the

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Speaker 1: was beginning to not love it anymore. And then you know,

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Speaker 1: the juxtaposition of this thing of running that I was

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Speaker 1: just exploring. I mean, it's like cue the Disney music

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Speaker 1: and like the more success I had, it was kind

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Speaker 1: Like they didn't even they didn't even offer me money,

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Speaker 1: Like it wasn't even that. It was literally a trial

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Speaker 4: Do you fit with the team?

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Speaker 1: You know, can we like let's see if this works

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Speaker 1: and then we can talk about like an actual like sponsorship.

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Speaker 1: So right, it was like kind of an ambassadorship and

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Speaker 1: I was like, oh, man, like I have I have

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Speaker 2: And what made you want.

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Speaker 3: To say yes to the North Face versus like, I'm

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Speaker 3: sure other brands that were giving you a call? Also,

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Speaker 3: I always wonder this, like like rewind, I mean, I

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Speaker 3: guess in the internet's the thing in twenty fourteen, but

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Speaker 3: I always wonder, like, how do these brands get your number?

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Speaker 3: Like whenever anyone's like and then the north Face called,

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Speaker 3: I'm like, and like, who gave your number to the

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Speaker 3: North Face? But I'm assuming that point of this question,

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Speaker 3: as I'm like rambling here, is that I'm sure other

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Speaker 3: brands came at you and gave you a ring and

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Speaker 3: they had money behind them, So why did you choose.

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Speaker 4: The North Face? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: See, this is a great question. So first of all,

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Speaker 1: I had no idea. I was like, how did this

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Speaker 1: person get my number? So it's like an athlete manager

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Speaker 1: for north Face.

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Speaker 3: And you always have to like thank the like someone

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Speaker 3: slipped them your digits and you're like, thanks whoever, that.

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Speaker 1: Was, thanks, yes, And so actually for me, it was

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Speaker 1: after one of the races, so run the Rut, one

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Speaker 1: of my favorite races in Montana. So two of the

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Speaker 1: guys who who raced direct that Mike Foot and Mike Wolf,

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Speaker 1: and they were both north Face athletes at the time,

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Speaker 1: and so when I did well at that race, they're

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Speaker 1: just like, hmm, like you should look at this woman.

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Speaker 1: And so they kind of gave Mave Sloan at the time,

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Speaker 1: she was the athlete manager for north Face. They gave

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Speaker 1: her my contact info and then it kind of took

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Speaker 1: off from there. And so yeah, there were definitely other

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Speaker 1: There were definitely other companies, but honestly, like just the

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Speaker 1: legacy of north Face, honestly it was it was because

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Speaker 1: I grew up in the mountains of Colorado and I

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Speaker 1: saw myself more than just a runner. I saw myself

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Speaker 1: more of just as an athlete, and the north Face

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Speaker 1: is just the epitome of that. And they have so

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Speaker 1: many iconic runners, but just mountain athletes. And just to

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Speaker 1: be able to kind of like rub shoulders with that

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Speaker 1: kind of company. I was like, oh, man, like this

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Speaker 1: is where I see myself. But it just I don't

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Speaker 1: know the ideal, like the pinnacle of like what an

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Speaker 1: athlete to me looks like. And yeah, I just and

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Speaker 1: some of my idols Rory Bosio, Rob krr Stephanie Howe

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Speaker 1: like all of these athletes. I mean not to mention

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Speaker 1: the climbers like see to Wright Conrad anchor Jimmy Chin,

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Speaker 1: like Alex Hanold, Like I was like, wait, what.

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Speaker 3: I love to hear it. I love to hear it.

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Speaker 3: So you start to excel in this sport. You're doing

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Speaker 3: this trial ambassadorship of sorts with the north Face.

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Speaker 2: Do you graduate from graduate school?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So in twenty fifteen, I was actually grappling with

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Speaker 1: all of these decisions because I wanted to take the

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Speaker 1: sport to the next level. I wanted to see where

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Speaker 1: I could go, and more and more I was offered

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Speaker 1: these international trips to travel and to race on the

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Speaker 1: world stage, and that was kind of like the next

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Speaker 1: step after having national level success. And so then I

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Speaker 1: was forced to choose because you know, you you only

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Speaker 1: have two weeks of vacation time for graduate school and

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Speaker 1: it's usually around you know, Christmas time, but you know,

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Speaker 1: like for these races, especially international races, like these big races,

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Speaker 1: were during the summer, and I had to start making

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Speaker 1: decisions of Okay, well do I want to do? I like,

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Speaker 1: how can I do both? And the answer to me

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Speaker 1: became just like more clear that I couldn't than I

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Speaker 1: had to choose, and my heart was being more pulled

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Speaker 1: to the running and seeing you know, basically taking a

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Speaker 1: chance on me, taking a chance to see if I

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Speaker 1: could actually, you know, do something that was out of

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Speaker 1: the norm. I had been in school for like the.

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Speaker 4: Like twenty years, like forever I was done.

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Speaker 1: You know, it was like, okay, so I made the

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Speaker 1: decision to get my master's degree, and I was like,

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Speaker 1: I can still do a lot with that. In fact,

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Speaker 1: I so when I made that decision, this was in

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Speaker 1: twenty fifteen. It was during the time when I raced

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Speaker 1: my first international race over in France. It's the month

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Speaker 1: blank eighty k It's a pretty tough fifty mile race,

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Speaker 1: and I ended up placing third. And usually Americans don't

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Speaker 1: do very well at some European races just because of

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Speaker 1: the elevation gain is like super steep and technical, and it's

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Speaker 1: just different, especially for their first like debut race. And

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Speaker 1: after that, I was like, all right, Hillary, you have

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Speaker 1: to take a chance on this. And then when I

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Speaker 1: came back, my advisor was not pleased with me that

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Speaker 1: I had, like, you know, taken a week off, and

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Speaker 1: so I basically made arrangements and defended my thesis and

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Speaker 1: graduated with my Masters, and then I started balancing running,

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Speaker 1: trying to see if I could gain sponsorships and get paid,

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Speaker 1: and then I also started teaching at a small college

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Speaker 1: on the side. Yeah, I was just kind of, you know,

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Speaker 1: just balancing the best of the best of both worlds.

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Speaker 3: The best of both worlds. I mean, that's insane. The

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Speaker 3: third place is absolutely insane. And I would imagine at

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Speaker 3: the time, like just to be in this position where

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Speaker 3: all of a sudden you are traveling internationally to do

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Speaker 3: what you love, and what a pinch me moment to

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Speaker 3: be like, yeah, I'm in France. I'm here just to

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Speaker 3: like do some running, and then I'll go back home

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Speaker 3: and I'll teach some courses and then I'll come back

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Speaker 3: and I'll do some more running.

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Speaker 4: I know.

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Speaker 1: It's seriously, I was like, is this is this real?

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Speaker 1: Like is this is this okay? And honestly, like I thought,

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Speaker 1: I literally told myself Hillary, like give it a year,

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Speaker 1: like because I didn't think that it was gonna you know,

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Speaker 1: I thought I was just giving myself a break and

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Speaker 1: then I'd kind of figure out the next step to

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Speaker 1: do if I wanted to continue with grad school or

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Speaker 1: you know, do something else. And so I thought of

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Speaker 1: it as a pause and now like fast forward, you know,

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Speaker 1: six years later. But absolutely it was deaf. It was

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Speaker 1: definitely a pinch me moment.

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Speaker 3: So bring me in a Norway because I want to

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Speaker 3: get to this part in your story. I mean, obviously

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Speaker 3: you start to see a massive success. You are placing

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Speaker 3: all around the globe in all of these super technical races,

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Speaker 3: but in twenty seventeen, you go to one particular race

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Speaker 3: that literally changes your life forever. Talk me through what

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Speaker 3: the race is, how you got there, and how the

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Speaker 3: days started out.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, like you said, I quickly my life was,

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Speaker 1: you know, kind of revolved around this. I would go

873
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 1: back home and Boulder and I would teach, and then

874
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:42,880
Speaker 1: every summer I would pack up my bags and I

875
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 1: would move to Europe and do these you know, super

876
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 1: technical races, and for me, my style of running was

877
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 1: just drawn to the technical style of races that most

878
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 1: likely happen in Europe. And so I was doing that

879
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 1: from you know, May until August every year, and it

880
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 1: was on the World Series, the sky Runner World Series circuit,

881
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:06,840
Speaker 1: which is it's just some of the most technical races

882
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 1: that you can imagine. It's like so fifty kilometer races,

883
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:13,440
Speaker 1: like thirty one miles all the way up to you know,

884
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:16,400
Speaker 1: one hundred k so a little over sixty miles, and

885
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 1: they would gain anywhere from like you know, twelve thousand

886
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:21,800
Speaker 1: feet to like twenty thousand feet.

887
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:24,400
Speaker 2: That is just insane.

888
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 4: And so one of.

889
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 1: These races happened in Norway, and I would kind of

890
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:31,960
Speaker 1: choose these races because they were happened in super interesting

891
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 1: parts of the world that I'd never been to, and

892
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 1: so now I was just exploring kind of the map

893
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:40,239
Speaker 1: of you know, like what was possible to explore on

894
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:43,360
Speaker 1: your own two feet. And this one race, it happened

895
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:46,440
Speaker 1: in Trumpso, Norway, so it's super far up like in

896
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 1: the Arctic Circle in Norway, and it was iconic. It

897
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 1: was this this race is called the Humper Rocken Sky race,

898
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 1: and the running in Norway is not really running. It's

899
00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 1: like just like scrambling, like over granted, and it's just

900
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 1: really technical running. You can't really run that fast. You

901
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 1: have to be very skilled and kind of pay attention.

902
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 1: But this is exactly the type of running that I

903
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 1: love and I practice it a lot, and so I

904
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:15,799
Speaker 1: was kind of on this race. It was about a

905
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 1: you know, thirty five mile course and at the halfway

906
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 1: point you cross over this ridge it's called Humper Rock

907
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 1: and Ridge and it's just this iconic granite ridge line

908
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 1: where it's kind of third class. So you basically have

909
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 1: to have three points of contact. So I use like

910
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 1: a hand and like your two feets. You're kind of

911
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 1: not running, but you're moving fast like hiking, and then

912
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:39,800
Speaker 1: you can have a hand down to like stabilize yourself.

913
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:42,800
Speaker 1: It's really fun because you're like interacting with the terrain.

914
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:46,840
Speaker 1: And I remember at this point I was actually winning

915
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:49,640
Speaker 1: the World Sky Running Series. I was ranked number one

916
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:53,440
Speaker 1: in the world at this discipline, and this race in

917
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:56,359
Speaker 1: Norway was kind of just like a bonus lab. And

918
00:47:57,360 --> 00:48:00,160
Speaker 1: at the halfway point, as as I ran on this ridge,

919
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 1: I remember seeing some photographer friends of mine cresting this

920
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 1: peak and about to turn around a corner and the

921
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:12,720
Speaker 1: next thing I knew, I was in the air. And

922
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:16,480
Speaker 1: I don't even remember a moment of me hitting a

923
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:19,799
Speaker 1: rock or slipping or like you know that moment when

924
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 1: you trip and you're like, oh crap, like you're gonna

925
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 1: catch yourself. That never happened, and it was just instantaneously,

926
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 1: and I was literally the horizon was upside down and

927
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 1: I was like, literally in my head, I was like, hmm,

928
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 1: this guy is not supposed to be there.

929
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:36,320
Speaker 4: And.

930
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would like the world slowed down. I almost

931
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:45,560
Speaker 1: felt like I was watching myself fall and I had

932
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:52,880
Speaker 1: just this strange logical epiphany that I was like, Hillary,

933
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:58,399
Speaker 1: this is it. You're falling, You're dying. Like you need

934
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 1: to brace yourself for impact and just try to relax

935
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:05,160
Speaker 1: like this is happening. And that was kind of on

936
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 1: repeat every time. I kind of made impact with the

937
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:11,840
Speaker 1: ridgeline which I fell off of, and in total I

938
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:17,400
Speaker 1: fell one hundred and fifty feet and somehow survived.

939
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:20,360
Speaker 2: Wowah, so that happened.

940
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:24,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you fall and you break fourteen bones and

941
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 3: you of course end up in a hospital after getting airlifted.

942
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 3: Talk to me about your first memory when you kind

943
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 3: of come back into your body.

944
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:43,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, So, honestly, the rescue operation was kind of a blur.

945
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 1: I do remember waking. I passed out somewhere along the

946
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:50,759
Speaker 1: way after the fall, and then once I woke up,

947
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:52,720
Speaker 1: I was just in pain and kind of the world

948
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:55,400
Speaker 1: was pulsing in and out as That's as best as

949
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:57,840
Speaker 1: I can describe it, and there's just more blurs of images.

950
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:00,879
Speaker 1: I still just remember the fear in thinking that I

951
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:04,440
Speaker 1: was still dying. But I remember the first part of

952
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:08,840
Speaker 1: me actually coming into my body was after they hoisted

953
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 1: me up into the helicopter and I kind of looked

954
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 1: at the doctor who was there, and I started crying

955
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:17,840
Speaker 1: because I was like, am I going to be okay?

956
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:22,440
Speaker 1: And he gave this like a you know, we're going

957
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 1: to take you to the hospital, like don't worry, Like

958
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 1: well you'll like he couldn't, you know, really answer the question.

959
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 1: But and then the second moment was when my mom came.

960
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:37,480
Speaker 1: So I was in the hospital in Norway. You know,

961
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:40,680
Speaker 1: they had cleaned me up, but this wasn't until like

962
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:43,239
Speaker 1: two days after the accident. I was like on painkillers

963
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:45,760
Speaker 1: and still really groggy, not really knowing what had happened.

964
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:48,400
Speaker 1: People had come in and out of my room, but

965
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 1: I really didn't know. I Like they were talking about

966
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 1: an accent and I was like, what accident, Like what happened?

967
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:55,880
Speaker 1: Like I still didn't know what had happened to me.

968
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:59,839
Speaker 1: And it wasn't until two days later that my mom came,

969
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:03,279
Speaker 1: you know, she flew in, and at that moment I

970
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:06,479
Speaker 1: realized was like, oh my gosh, like I'm the one

971
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 1: that fell, Like all these people are here for me.

972
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:12,919
Speaker 1: And that's kind of when I was like I had,

973
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:14,680
Speaker 1: you know, I was in my body. I knew I

974
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:17,320
Speaker 1: was super injured, Like obviously I hadn't moved in two days,

975
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:20,160
Speaker 1: but like I was like looking at like my my

976
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:23,279
Speaker 1: arms which were broken, one of which was externally fixated

977
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:26,239
Speaker 1: to have these rods poking out of it, and you know,

978
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:29,719
Speaker 1: looking at my lacerations and on my legs are completely

979
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:32,000
Speaker 1: covered up. And it was at that moment that I

980
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:37,040
Speaker 1: just felt this like sinking and this sadness because I

981
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:40,520
Speaker 1: finally realized what had happened and the gravity of the situation.

982
00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:45,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, looking back on it now, I remember watching a

983
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:48,840
Speaker 3: couple of those videos that you posted in the days

984
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:53,239
Speaker 3: after that accident over on social media. I mean, for

985
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:56,600
Speaker 3: you looking back on them now, it's literally just you

986
00:51:57,480 --> 00:52:00,640
Speaker 3: crying to the camera and in one of them, like

987
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:04,359
Speaker 3: completely void of emotion. The second one, I feel like

988
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 3: a couple of days later really realizing what's going on.

989
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 3: When you watch those videos, now, what does that bring

990
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 3: forward for you?

991
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 1: Sometimes I watch them when I just cry. It's I

992
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:24,440
Speaker 1: just remembered all too vividly, and I just remember me,

993
00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 1: you know, I do. I do remember that matter of

994
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:29,359
Speaker 1: fact video where I had like, you know, tubes coming

995
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 1: out of me everywhere, and I was just kind of like,

996
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:34,719
Speaker 1: I think I was just like in disbelief, like I

997
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 1: was in shock, Like look, you know, there's like a

998
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:39,640
Speaker 1: video where I could see myself and I was just like,

999
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:41,759
Speaker 1: oh my god, like is this really me? And I

1000
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:45,600
Speaker 1: just remember that disbelief and that that sadness. I remember

1001
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:49,480
Speaker 1: the fear. And you know, some would think, is like

1002
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:52,120
Speaker 1: why did she post these extremely intimate moments on on

1003
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:55,920
Speaker 1: you know, social media? And and for me, it was this,

1004
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:58,840
Speaker 1: this this kind of contract that I had written with myself,

1005
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:01,879
Speaker 1: I myself that I was going to be honest with

1006
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:05,600
Speaker 1: this process because too many times I feel like I've

1007
00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:10,239
Speaker 1: seen people shy away from hard moments too many times.

1008
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:13,319
Speaker 1: I've seen myself shy away from hard moments and you know,

1009
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:16,319
Speaker 1: retreat into the darkness, into this dark space where no

1010
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:18,520
Speaker 1: one can see me, no one can see my vulnerability

1011
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:20,840
Speaker 1: or weakness. But I realized that I wasn't going to

1012
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:25,920
Speaker 1: do myself any favors by doing that, and I wanted

1013
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:28,080
Speaker 1: to use it as an opportunity to be honest with

1014
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:31,200
Speaker 1: myself and the feelings that I was feeling, how much fear,

1015
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:35,040
Speaker 1: how much sadness, how much anger I had, and in

1016
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:37,560
Speaker 1: hopes that with that honesty, it would encourage that in

1017
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:41,120
Speaker 1: other people, and you know, to encourage others that were

1018
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:44,160
Speaker 1: strong enough to be there with me in that Hopefully

1019
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:46,840
Speaker 1: that it would encourage and I could uncover that strength

1020
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:49,840
Speaker 1: within myself to you know, be with myself when I

1021
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:57,080
Speaker 1: felt that, you know, sad and wrecked and just hopeless. Yeah,

1022
00:53:57,120 --> 00:53:59,920
Speaker 1: and so i'm you know, they're still up on my

1023
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:03,920
Speaker 1: social media and yeah, sometimes you know, people still comment

1024
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:05,720
Speaker 1: on it. So it brings me back there, and I'm

1025
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:09,279
Speaker 1: I'm proud of those moments, even though they're they're very

1026
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:12,480
Speaker 1: painful to relive because you know, it's almost just like

1027
00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:16,120
Speaker 1: you know, ripping a scar open again, I'm with you.

1028
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 3: I co sign this idea of vulnerability in front of others,

1029
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:25,600
Speaker 3: sometimes in a self serving way. With respect to this idea,

1030
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:28,200
Speaker 3: and Ashley Wilkings, a trainer who I've had on the

1031
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:30,480
Speaker 3: show before, she said something I'll never forget that just

1032
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:33,680
Speaker 3: be careful that the sword that you use to save

1033
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:36,719
Speaker 3: others isn't the one that you fall on. Right. But

1034
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:41,239
Speaker 3: sometimes for me when I you know, even something as

1035
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:43,080
Speaker 3: simple as like lace up in the morning and I

1036
00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:45,520
Speaker 3: put my phone down and I record myself like tying

1037
00:54:45,560 --> 00:54:48,560
Speaker 3: my shoes, there are so many days where the last

1038
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:50,960
Speaker 3: thing that I want to do is look at myself

1039
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:54,160
Speaker 3: in the eye and show up on camera. And I

1040
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:57,000
Speaker 3: don't feel good, I'm not happy, I'm dealing.

1041
00:54:56,719 --> 00:54:57,359
Speaker 2: With some shit.

1042
00:54:57,960 --> 00:55:01,799
Speaker 3: But doing that and put myself out there, it is

1043
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:04,360
Speaker 3: a reminder to me that I can show up for me,

1044
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:08,080
Speaker 3: and maybe by showing up for me and showing up

1045
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:11,439
Speaker 3: on social all encourage the other person who doesn't think

1046
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:13,799
Speaker 3: that they can show up at all that day to

1047
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:16,000
Speaker 3: show up at least for them and kind of take

1048
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:17,200
Speaker 3: it as the day comes from there.

1049
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:20,759
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, you like literally that is sometimes what

1050
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:24,680
Speaker 1: got me up in the in in the morning. You know.

1051
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:25,800
Speaker 4: It was it was these.

1052
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:28,840
Speaker 1: Moments where I just felt helpless and like it was

1053
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:30,919
Speaker 1: the only thing that I could do was to show

1054
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:33,120
Speaker 1: up for me, like you said, Like for me, sometimes

1055
00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:35,960
Speaker 1: it's as simple as like when I couldn't move, you know,

1056
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:38,360
Speaker 1: I was on a scooter because I'd broken both arms

1057
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:41,800
Speaker 1: and my foot and I had surgery on my foot

1058
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:42,520
Speaker 1: and both arms.

1059
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:43,400
Speaker 4: So like I was on this.

1060
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:46,560
Speaker 1: Scooter contraption thing, and sometimes the only thing that I

1061
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:48,160
Speaker 1: could do in the morning was show up to the

1062
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:50,000
Speaker 1: coffee shop, my favorite coffee shop.

1063
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:51,080
Speaker 4: I'd like roll.

1064
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:53,360
Speaker 1: Down the street and go there and i'd you know,

1065
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:55,719
Speaker 1: greet these you know, baristas that knew me by name

1066
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:58,920
Speaker 1: by now, And that was sometimes the only thing that

1067
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:01,480
Speaker 1: I could do. And I told myself, Okay, but if

1068
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:04,799
Speaker 1: that's the one thing you can do, then maybe, you know,

1069
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:08,760
Speaker 1: maybe that'll encourage other people, or it'll you know, encourage

1070
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:11,120
Speaker 1: me to do something else that day, like for myself.

1071
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:15,600
Speaker 3: So how do you go from a place where doctors

1072
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:19,319
Speaker 3: in Norway telling you telling your mother that you may

1073
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:22,680
Speaker 3: never be able to walk or run again, to being

1074
00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:26,919
Speaker 3: on the scooter to then not only walking but running again.

1075
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:29,200
Speaker 3: I'm sure obviously it doesn't happen in a concise two

1076
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:31,600
Speaker 3: sentence exploration.

1077
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:33,799
Speaker 1: No, but it's actually it's really hard. It's really hard

1078
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:35,920
Speaker 1: to describe that process. I mean, that's like part of

1079
00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:38,960
Speaker 1: the reason why I wrote the book was just to

1080
00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:42,440
Speaker 1: kind of document that process, not really the physical recovery,

1081
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:45,400
Speaker 1: but more so the mental recovery that I had to

1082
00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:47,200
Speaker 1: kind of do in the work that I had to

1083
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:49,480
Speaker 1: put in. But it was really a slow burn, and

1084
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:53,520
Speaker 1: writing for me was such a cathartic process throughout it all.

1085
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:55,960
Speaker 1: It was a place where I could be honest, where

1086
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:59,600
Speaker 1: I could be completely raw and nothing would judge me,

1087
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:02,720
Speaker 1: and I could write down exactly how I was feeling

1088
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:06,760
Speaker 1: that day, and it was a thing that continually encouraged

1089
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:09,000
Speaker 1: me to show up and to keep putting the work in.

1090
00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:12,520
Speaker 1: And something that I visualized early on in my recovery

1091
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:16,640
Speaker 1: was me building this brick house, and that each day

1092
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:20,160
Speaker 1: represented a single brick in the foundation. And even though

1093
00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:22,760
Speaker 1: I didn't know like the house, what it would look

1094
00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:26,640
Speaker 1: like or what I was actually building, I knew that

1095
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:28,600
Speaker 1: if I put down a brick each day, that that

1096
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:31,680
Speaker 1: would make the foundation stronger, and so then I could

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00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:34,440
Speaker 1: make it anything I wanted to in the end. And

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00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:37,080
Speaker 1: the other piece of that was that every time it

1099
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:39,720
Speaker 1: was like a brick, you know, and it was imperfect

1100
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:42,600
Speaker 1: and like cut and chipped, and you know, it was

1101
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:45,600
Speaker 1: like it felt like a crap day, but it didn't matter.

1102
00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:48,040
Speaker 1: I would still do what I could and I would

1103
00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:51,000
Speaker 1: like lay that brick down even if it was imperfect.

1104
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:54,320
Speaker 1: And I just had this idea in my mind that

1105
00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:55,800
Speaker 1: I was creating something bigger.

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00:57:56,640 --> 00:58:00,440
Speaker 3: And you know how powerful is like visualization, right, Like

1107
00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:03,960
Speaker 3: that was what you chose to think about on the

1108
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:07,040
Speaker 3: good days and the bad days, that every single day

1109
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 3: was a brick to build the foundation. I mean, I

1110
00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:15,560
Speaker 3: would assume, especially being someone who is an endurance athlete,

1111
00:58:15,720 --> 00:58:18,920
Speaker 3: there have been so many times in your professional career

1112
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:22,280
Speaker 3: that you were just trying to get through the next step,

1113
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:26,120
Speaker 3: the next mile, and in that process as well, you're

1114
00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:29,240
Speaker 3: thinking about building a completely different house in a completely

1115
00:58:29,240 --> 00:58:30,600
Speaker 3: different way, you know what I'm saying.

1116
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:34,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, And honestly, like visualization is so powerful. I think

1117
00:58:34,560 --> 00:58:36,800
Speaker 1: it kind of goes hand in hand with just like

1118
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:39,600
Speaker 1: positive self talk, because if you're manifesting and I don't

1119
00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:41,360
Speaker 1: even know if I like that word, but like you're creating,

1120
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:44,200
Speaker 1: or like you're investing in this bigger picture of you.

1121
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:48,080
Speaker 1: Like even though you maybe aren't happy with where you

1122
00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:50,640
Speaker 1: are at today, that doesn't mean that the work you're

1123
00:58:50,680 --> 00:58:54,680
Speaker 1: doing today won't create something different or new or like

1124
00:58:54,760 --> 00:58:56,360
Speaker 1: I don't want to use the word better because that's

1125
00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:59,439
Speaker 1: some sort of judgment, but just something that you want

1126
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:03,000
Speaker 1: to work. And so, yeah, visualization for me is quite powerful.

1127
00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:05,280
Speaker 1: I'm a visual person. I mean, that's like part of

1128
00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:08,680
Speaker 1: the reason why I love trail running and being outside.

1129
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:12,440
Speaker 1: But it also just helped me manifest those positive.

1130
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:15,680
Speaker 3: Thoughts we just wrapped about visualization, but also you mentioned

1131
00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:20,120
Speaker 3: the word positive thoughts. During some of those really dark days,

1132
00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:23,280
Speaker 3: I would imagine that it was quite hard to have

1133
00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:28,160
Speaker 3: positive thoughts. And I'm sure I know a lot of

1134
00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:32,800
Speaker 3: people listening to this can certainly relate to that hurdle,

1135
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:35,880
Speaker 3: to that struggle of being in a place where positivity

1136
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:39,480
Speaker 3: almost doesn't feel like an option because shit's bleak. So

1137
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:43,960
Speaker 3: for you, how did you stay positive and find light

1138
00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:46,480
Speaker 3: when it did feel so bleak when you were on

1139
00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:49,360
Speaker 3: the scooter hanging out with the baristas.

1140
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:55,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, And to say this, it's like, I'm

1141
00:59:55,880 --> 01:00:01,800
Speaker 1: not an expert, and the this is just to demonstrate

1142
01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:06,400
Speaker 1: that it takes practice, continual practice, and even though I've

1143
01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:09,040
Speaker 1: had I should be an expert. Like I had to

1144
01:00:09,080 --> 01:00:13,120
Speaker 1: do this, you know, every day, for you know, years, Yeah,

1145
01:00:13,640 --> 01:00:15,680
Speaker 1: to find the motivation to keep going through you know,

1146
01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:19,440
Speaker 1: recurring injuries or multiple injuries and this crazy recovery, this

1147
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:23,320
Speaker 1: loss of self identity and not feeling like myself anymore.

1148
01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:27,320
Speaker 1: I had to practice this positive mental thinking every day.

1149
01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:30,880
Speaker 1: And I'm still not perfect at it, and I still

1150
01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:33,840
Speaker 1: have days where I have like horrible negative thoughts.

1151
01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:35,480
Speaker 2: Can I ask you about those for a second?

1152
01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:37,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, liked they ever.

1153
01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:38,880
Speaker 2: Get like really bad?

1154
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:41,040
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh.

1155
01:00:41,120 --> 01:00:43,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, did you ever think about getting to a point

1156
01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:45,680
Speaker 3: where you were like I don't want to be here anymore?

1157
01:00:46,680 --> 01:00:47,400
Speaker 4: Many times?

1158
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:51,080
Speaker 1: And you know, that was actually something really scary that

1159
01:00:51,160 --> 01:00:55,840
Speaker 1: I that I had to I had to admit that

1160
01:00:55,840 --> 01:00:59,280
Speaker 1: that was what I was feeling, and it was really

1161
01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:01,360
Speaker 1: hard for people. I loved to hear that, and some

1162
01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:04,640
Speaker 1: people couldn't even hear it because, you know, and especially

1163
01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:06,560
Speaker 1: through this accident, you know, everyone was like, oh, you

1164
01:01:06,840 --> 01:01:10,360
Speaker 1: should feel so grateful that you're alive, and I didn't.

1165
01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:13,200
Speaker 1: I felt like I had I wish the accident would

1166
01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:16,720
Speaker 1: have killed me because it felt easier than dealing with

1167
01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:18,720
Speaker 1: the day, the daily struggle.

1168
01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:22,880
Speaker 3: How interesting and beautiful though that you were in a

1169
01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:27,320
Speaker 3: place that you vocalized that to other people, because a

1170
01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:30,920
Speaker 3: lot of people going through and I won't say similar

1171
01:01:31,120 --> 01:01:35,400
Speaker 3: because totally unique and individual experience that you went through,

1172
01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:39,440
Speaker 3: but a lot of individuals that are dealing with thoughts

1173
01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:44,720
Speaker 3: of perhaps self harm or whatnot don't feel comfortable opening

1174
01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:48,320
Speaker 3: up to other people or feel ashamed and embarrassed, and

1175
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:51,080
Speaker 3: so they don't. But for you to be in a

1176
01:01:51,120 --> 01:01:52,800
Speaker 3: place where you were like, I need to talk to

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01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:55,040
Speaker 3: someone about this, I think that's really good on you.

1178
01:01:56,520 --> 01:01:58,400
Speaker 1: Well, thank you, and this is this is going to

1179
01:01:58,480 --> 01:02:00,800
Speaker 1: tie into kind of everything I was in it, say,

1180
01:02:00,840 --> 01:02:04,480
Speaker 1: regarding the positivity piece, which you think, okay, like how

1181
01:02:04,560 --> 01:02:08,320
Speaker 1: do these things relate? But for me, I couldn't always

1182
01:02:08,320 --> 01:02:11,480
Speaker 1: talk to people. I am a very independent and like

1183
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:15,680
Speaker 1: reserved person and so I don't trust that easily. So

1184
01:02:15,800 --> 01:02:18,920
Speaker 1: for me to speak to this was a huge deal.

1185
01:02:19,560 --> 01:02:23,880
Speaker 1: But how I started was being honest with myself and

1186
01:02:24,320 --> 01:02:27,520
Speaker 1: writing those thoughts down in a journal, writing them down

1187
01:02:27,680 --> 01:02:30,400
Speaker 1: and getting them out there so they didn't consume me.

1188
01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:34,760
Speaker 1: So I think that was the first step. And this

1189
01:02:34,880 --> 01:02:36,840
Speaker 1: is the first step that I always take when I

1190
01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:40,640
Speaker 1: want to be positive, is that I embrace the negative

1191
01:02:40,680 --> 01:02:44,840
Speaker 1: feelings because unless I can actually admit and be honest

1192
01:02:44,840 --> 01:02:49,080
Speaker 1: with myself and know that I'm struggling, like, then I

1193
01:02:49,120 --> 01:02:52,480
Speaker 1: can't I can't create change, and I can't be positive

1194
01:02:52,520 --> 01:02:54,320
Speaker 1: because if I'm just lying to myself and I'm like,

1195
01:02:54,440 --> 01:02:57,320
Speaker 1: I'm fine, this is all good, I'm just grateful to

1196
01:02:57,400 --> 01:03:01,000
Speaker 1: be here, like whoo, like, that's a lie, like and

1197
01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:04,439
Speaker 1: I couldn't do that. And for me, first of all,

1198
01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:07,360
Speaker 1: for me like honesty with me, if I if I

1199
01:03:07,560 --> 01:03:10,320
Speaker 1: put that vibe out there, then I felt like I

1200
01:03:10,360 --> 01:03:13,120
Speaker 1: was lying to myself, and that I think is dangerous

1201
01:03:13,160 --> 01:03:17,000
Speaker 1: because then it creates this unsafe space even within myself

1202
01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:20,880
Speaker 1: to not allow room for the negative feelings. So for me,

1203
01:03:21,080 --> 01:03:24,040
Speaker 1: in order to be positive, I had to write out

1204
01:03:24,080 --> 01:03:26,800
Speaker 1: those negative thoughts. I had to experience them, I had

1205
01:03:26,800 --> 01:03:30,880
Speaker 1: to lean into them. It was icky, I don't like it.

1206
01:03:31,520 --> 01:03:34,880
Speaker 1: And then I could put words to them and speak

1207
01:03:34,920 --> 01:03:37,960
Speaker 1: to the people that were closest to me. And then

1208
01:03:38,040 --> 01:03:40,200
Speaker 1: the beautiful thing is is that once I put them

1209
01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:43,960
Speaker 1: out there, they were gone and it's kind of like

1210
01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:49,920
Speaker 1: this release and then I could, you know, then be like, Okay,

1211
01:03:50,080 --> 01:03:54,000
Speaker 1: well I don't those are out there. I feel this way.

1212
01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:57,800
Speaker 1: I can't change it at the moment, and what else

1213
01:03:57,840 --> 01:04:01,200
Speaker 1: do I have? And the answer to what else do

1214
01:04:01,240 --> 01:04:05,200
Speaker 1: I have? Was always hope? And then that's where the

1215
01:04:05,240 --> 01:04:07,080
Speaker 1: positivity would come in.

1216
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:13,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, and recognizing in those moments of vulnerability and honesty,

1217
01:04:14,200 --> 01:04:19,640
Speaker 3: the difference between fact and feeling and understanding Okay, I

1218
01:04:19,720 --> 01:04:24,120
Speaker 3: have hope, I have X, I have things that I

1219
01:04:24,240 --> 01:04:26,760
Speaker 3: need to move forward, even though it feels like I

1220
01:04:26,800 --> 01:04:30,520
Speaker 3: am so tripping on my ass every time I'm approaching

1221
01:04:30,520 --> 01:04:35,080
Speaker 3: this hurdle, Like, at least I know that beyond the frustration,

1222
01:04:35,400 --> 01:04:36,760
Speaker 3: there's something on the other side.

1223
01:04:36,800 --> 01:04:38,760
Speaker 2: I just have to be willing to get myself there.

1224
01:04:40,040 --> 01:04:42,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I love this analogy of the hurdle because

1225
01:04:42,280 --> 01:04:43,880
Speaker 1: I think of that as like I was not I'm

1226
01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:52,080
Speaker 1: a trailerner, but still like I'm not good at hurdles.

1227
01:04:48,240 --> 01:04:53,280
Speaker 2: You are, you are.

1228
01:04:53,760 --> 01:04:56,200
Speaker 1: But the thing is is that this analogy for the hurdles,

1229
01:04:56,240 --> 01:04:58,200
Speaker 1: it's because it's like people think, oh, there's a hurdle,

1230
01:04:58,240 --> 01:05:01,320
Speaker 1: you like jump over it, but uh, sometimes you have

1231
01:05:01,360 --> 01:05:04,040
Speaker 1: to freaking crawl you have to jungle gym your way

1232
01:05:04,080 --> 01:05:05,160
Speaker 1: over that hurdle.

1233
01:05:05,720 --> 01:05:07,360
Speaker 4: But as long as you're trying.

1234
01:05:07,160 --> 01:05:09,360
Speaker 1: And like problem solving a way to get over it,

1235
01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:10,120
Speaker 1: you'll get there.

1236
01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:11,400
Speaker 4: And I love that analogy.

1237
01:05:11,880 --> 01:05:12,959
Speaker 2: Oh thanks man.

1238
01:05:13,200 --> 01:05:15,360
Speaker 3: I was I was waiting three and a half years

1239
01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:19,200
Speaker 3: ago for this moment when someone like you just really

1240
01:05:19,680 --> 01:05:22,160
Speaker 3: reinforced where I where I was going.

1241
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:28,080
Speaker 5: With it, seriously, like I get it. I like every time.

1242
01:05:28,320 --> 01:05:30,880
Speaker 5: I really like the analogy because it's just it's perfect.

1243
01:05:30,880 --> 01:05:33,160
Speaker 5: And yeah, also with trail running, it's like.

1244
01:05:33,560 --> 01:05:36,040
Speaker 2: Dude, but so many hurdles and trail running, are you kidding?

1245
01:05:36,080 --> 01:05:38,680
Speaker 3: Like Boulder Rock you're talking about like quote unquote running,

1246
01:05:38,720 --> 01:05:40,400
Speaker 3: but you have like a hand on the ground like

1247
01:05:40,680 --> 01:05:44,480
Speaker 3: hurdles every single step when it comes to your sport,

1248
01:05:44,560 --> 01:05:47,000
Speaker 3: they just might not have like two legs and a

1249
01:05:47,040 --> 01:05:48,520
Speaker 3: bar that goes across the top.

1250
01:05:49,880 --> 01:05:51,520
Speaker 4: Sometimes I wish that they were that simple.

1251
01:05:51,640 --> 01:05:55,560
Speaker 3: But yeah, okay, So talk to us about where you

1252
01:05:55,600 --> 01:05:58,480
Speaker 3: are now, how the recovery has been.

1253
01:05:58,840 --> 01:06:01,280
Speaker 2: Are you back to racing, what's going on with Hillar?

1254
01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:01,760
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1255
01:06:01,800 --> 01:06:05,520
Speaker 1: So the crazy thing is is that obviously the accident

1256
01:06:05,640 --> 01:06:08,720
Speaker 1: changed my life. It changed how I trained, and I

1257
01:06:08,760 --> 01:06:12,360
Speaker 1: mean so yes, I'm I'm back to racing. I'm back

1258
01:06:12,400 --> 01:06:16,320
Speaker 1: to elite level racing, which is crazy, like I never

1259
01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:19,080
Speaker 1: thought a million years of this would happen, but I

1260
01:06:19,120 --> 01:06:20,800
Speaker 1: held on to hope, and I held on to this

1261
01:06:20,920 --> 01:06:23,400
Speaker 1: belief that my best athletic days were ahead of me.

1262
01:06:24,160 --> 01:06:26,800
Speaker 1: And that is like a mantra that got me through,

1263
01:06:27,160 --> 01:06:31,960
Speaker 1: and I think it's amazing. It's timeless because no matter, like,

1264
01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:35,600
Speaker 1: no matter how old you are, no matter how young

1265
01:06:35,640 --> 01:06:38,440
Speaker 1: you are, no matter if you tried a new sport, like,

1266
01:06:38,440 --> 01:06:43,360
Speaker 1: there's always something to aspire to. And the accident was

1267
01:06:43,440 --> 01:06:46,720
Speaker 1: just a way for me to fall in love with

1268
01:06:46,840 --> 01:06:50,040
Speaker 1: running again, and fall in love with making new goals,

1269
01:06:50,120 --> 01:06:55,840
Speaker 1: fall in love with making myself a better version of myself,

1270
01:06:56,080 --> 01:06:59,480
Speaker 1: learning about me, learning about what makes me happy, learning

1271
01:06:59,560 --> 01:07:03,800
Speaker 1: how to rest, learning how to have a balance life.

1272
01:07:03,920 --> 01:07:07,440
Speaker 1: And it was it still is kind of a journey.

1273
01:07:07,560 --> 01:07:10,360
Speaker 1: I've had injuries since then, and it doesn't get easier

1274
01:07:10,400 --> 01:07:12,640
Speaker 1: to deal with any kind of hurdle that life throws

1275
01:07:12,640 --> 01:07:13,040
Speaker 1: your way.

1276
01:07:14,040 --> 01:07:16,720
Speaker 4: But I will say that I feel.

1277
01:07:16,400 --> 01:07:20,960
Speaker 1: More in tune with what I need during those moments,

1278
01:07:21,280 --> 01:07:25,200
Speaker 1: and I have now more resources to be able to

1279
01:07:25,280 --> 01:07:27,800
Speaker 1: reach out to and to, you know, I think about

1280
01:07:27,840 --> 01:07:29,600
Speaker 1: like a tool belt. It's like, Okay, I have these

1281
01:07:29,600 --> 01:07:32,640
Speaker 1: different recovery tools and so now I know which one

1282
01:07:32,640 --> 01:07:34,760
Speaker 1: to use when I'm feeling this way or when I'm

1283
01:07:34,800 --> 01:07:38,919
Speaker 1: experiencing this, And so I just feel I just feel

1284
01:07:38,960 --> 01:07:43,160
Speaker 1: more balanced and I feel more just in tune with

1285
01:07:43,200 --> 01:07:46,120
Speaker 1: what I need. And I you said this earlier in

1286
01:07:46,160 --> 01:07:49,560
Speaker 1: the podcast, but I the feeling of like I got you.

1287
01:07:50,160 --> 01:07:53,040
Speaker 1: Like I say this to myself, It's like, Okay, if

1288
01:07:53,040 --> 01:07:56,440
Speaker 1: something comes at me, whether it's with running or just

1289
01:07:56,480 --> 01:07:58,920
Speaker 1: in life in general, I mean, you know, I think

1290
01:07:58,960 --> 01:08:01,160
Speaker 1: the past couple of years have been really hard on

1291
01:08:01,200 --> 01:08:06,840
Speaker 1: a lot of people. And to know that I have,

1292
01:08:07,080 --> 01:08:09,280
Speaker 1: like I got you, I say this to myself, no

1293
01:08:09,360 --> 01:08:13,280
Speaker 1: matter what life throws at me, it's a really peaceful

1294
01:08:13,360 --> 01:08:17,360
Speaker 1: place to be. And that doesn't mean it's gonna be easy,

1295
01:08:17,760 --> 01:08:21,640
Speaker 1: but it just it just yeah, I just think the

1296
01:08:21,720 --> 01:08:24,479
Speaker 1: accident in recovery is a way, it was a way

1297
01:08:24,479 --> 01:08:27,160
Speaker 1: for me to discover that that's that strength and the

1298
01:08:27,200 --> 01:08:29,080
Speaker 1: ability to kind of rely on myself.

1299
01:08:29,560 --> 01:08:33,080
Speaker 3: For someone who struggles with that I got you mentality,

1300
01:08:33,160 --> 01:08:37,800
Speaker 3: For someone who struggles showing up for themselves, what advice

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Speaker 3: do you have for them?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So I just encourage honesty. For me, I think

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Speaker 1: it's so important to be honest with where you're at.

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Speaker 1: If you don't feel like showing up that day, okay,

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Speaker 1: like own it, be honest with yourself in that moment.

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Speaker 1: And I think what you'll learn is that as soon

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Speaker 1: as you allowed room for acceptance of that you know,

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Speaker 1: almost unacceptable emotion or peace, it actually it disappears and

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Speaker 1: then it doesn't hold weight. It's almost free, and then

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Speaker 1: it allows room for you to actually, you know, show

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Speaker 1: up for yourself. And then you know, as soon as

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Speaker 1: you admit to yourself like, oh I don't I don't

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Speaker 1: want to do this today, then you actually might end

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Speaker 1: up doing something because you've allowed room for that like

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Speaker 1: negative emotion or just to be honest. And I think

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of power in that.

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Speaker 3: And I think sometimes when you admit to yourself like,

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Speaker 3: oh I don't feel like doing this, then that opens

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Speaker 3: the door to like do something different.

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Speaker 2: Then you do that other thing, and.

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Speaker 3: You realize that it is within your power to show up,

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Speaker 3: maybe in a way that you didn't anticipate. So the

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Speaker 3: next time that you're confronted with this scenario where you're like, oh,

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Speaker 3: I just don't know if I can do it in

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Speaker 3: your gut and in the back of your head you're like, no,

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Speaker 3: but I can, Like I can do this.

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Speaker 2: I this the last time.

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Speaker 3: I just need to get over this initial moment and

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Speaker 3: then we'll conquer from there, you know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think it's exactly that. I mean, we're

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Speaker 1: so complex, but I think there's a lot of power

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Speaker 1: in that honesty and like I said, creating space because

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Speaker 1: then yeah, then you can pull on these other instances

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Speaker 1: in your life. You're like, oh, well, I did this

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Speaker 1: hard thing and I'm still okay, and I you know,

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Speaker 1: figured a way through it, and it just it creates

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Speaker 1: like this almost waterfall and this like positive feedback and

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Speaker 1: we love that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we love that. So what excites you right now?

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Speaker 1: Oh man, there's a lot of things actually, So definitely

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Speaker 1: the book.

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Speaker 4: It's kind of crazy to have this this story.

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Speaker 1: Out there, and like I said, it's less of a

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Speaker 1: recovery story and more of just a human resilience story.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I described it as like an invitation for people to

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Speaker 1: use challenges as a way to learn and to become

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Speaker 1: better people. So I'm definitely.

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Speaker 4: Excited about that. Excited every time I see someone.

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Speaker 1: New with this you know, personal story of mine. But

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Speaker 1: I'm excited also just for community. I know it's been

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Speaker 1: really tough the past you know, year and a half

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Speaker 1: with the with the pandemic, but just different opportunities that

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Speaker 1: I think instead of viewing it as a door being closed,

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Speaker 1: that many doors are opened and there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: collaborations and new community that has been opened up through

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Speaker 1: these challenges or these kind of like unprecedented times. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm excited for exploration in a different way, whether that's

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Speaker 1: you know, exploring local trails at home or near my home,

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Speaker 1: and then you know, return to racing. I'm certainly excited

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Speaker 1: for racing, but that's like, to me, that's not even

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Speaker 1: the even on the forefront, just because I think there's

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Speaker 1: so many other things to explore.

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Speaker 4: First.

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Speaker 3: When someone goes to your Instagram page, they see this

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Speaker 3: endurance athlete, a runner, a psychist and author, a science nerd,

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Speaker 3: all of these things. When you look in the mirror,

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Speaker 3: what is it that you see looking back at you.

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Speaker 4: Oh, that's such a good question.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, because I think we get like caught up,

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Speaker 1: and I certainly do of all of these things, like

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Speaker 1: how do you define yourself? I define things by what

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Speaker 1: I do, right, But I think when I look in

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Speaker 1: the mirror, I wish I can send you this photo

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Speaker 1: I haven't posted yet, but I will. It's a photo

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Speaker 1: photo of little Hillary on career day in kindergarten and

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Speaker 1: I'm holding a bugnet and.

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Speaker 6: Of my bug collection of like butterflies, like beetles, spiders,

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Speaker 6: like all this shit, and I'm there like and I'm

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Speaker 6: so excited.

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Speaker 4: I'm wearing a lab coat and I've put bugstickers all

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Speaker 4: over it. Hell, yeah you did.

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Speaker 1: When I look in the mirror, Yeah, when I look

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Speaker 1: in the mirror, I seriously see that, Like I see

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Speaker 1: this little girl who's still has this curiosity for life.

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Speaker 1: And I think my favorite phrase is a little kid.

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Speaker 1: My favorite question was why? And that is still who

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Speaker 1: I am today.

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Speaker 3: Right now, Hillary, you have an opportunity to offer one

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Speaker 3: piece of advice to the Hilary who is just coming

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Speaker 3: back into her body. She's in Norway. She's like, what

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Speaker 3: the hell is going on? She's coming to terms with

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Speaker 3: what's gone on, and she feels completely hopeless. You right

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Speaker 3: now can tell her one thing. What do you tell her?

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Speaker 4: I would say, don't give up on what you love.

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Speaker 2: I love it I'm so grateful for your story. I

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Speaker 2: loved hurdling with you. How did the hurdlers keep up

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Speaker 2: with you? How do they follow along with you? Give

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Speaker 2: me all the details.

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Speaker 1: Yes, thank you, it's been such a pleasure. And yeah,

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Speaker 1: so you can follow me on Instagram. It's Hillygoat Underscore

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Speaker 1: climbs h So that's my nickname, and then there's pretty

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Speaker 1: much everything there. And then also my website it's Hillary

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Speaker 1: Allen dot com. And so there's info for my book,

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Speaker 1: for running coaching or you know, just anything virtual book

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Speaker 1: tour stuff. I encourage you to sign up for my

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Speaker 1: email list because I actually have created a little Hilly

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Speaker 1: Goat book club, So if you buy my book, you

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Speaker 1: can you know, take like I've created this little pdf

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Speaker 1: thing so you can, you know, go through these challenges

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Speaker 1: and like it's just really fun.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, that's pretty much.

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Speaker 3: You're about to be inundated with run Coach rests from

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Speaker 3: the hurdle community.

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Speaker 2: So I hope you've got your spreadsheet. Oh, here we

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Speaker 2: go on lock I do.

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Speaker 3: I am over at Hurdle Podcast and at Emily a

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Speaker 3: Baddie Another hurdle conquered.

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Speaker 2: Catch you guys next time.

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Speaker 3: Oh,