WEBVTT - Steve Schmidt and George Conway: ICE Must Be Abolished

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<v Speaker 1>Good afternoon, everybody. Steve Schmidt here with the warning and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm thrilled today to be joined by my friend George Conway,

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<v Speaker 1>candidate for Congress twelfth District of New York.

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<v Speaker 2>George, welcome, Thank you for having me, Steve.

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<v Speaker 1>As we come to the end of January, I want

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<v Speaker 1>to I want to tell you what I would say

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<v Speaker 1>if I was heading over to negotiate with the White

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<v Speaker 1>House the Democratic position. I would walk in the room

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<v Speaker 1>wherever they do the meeting over at the over in

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<v Speaker 1>the Roosevelt Room, and I would say, uh, uh, well, fellas, Susie,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't you don't have the fucking votes. You don't

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<v Speaker 1>have the votes, right, I got you by the balls

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<v Speaker 1>here right, and Susie you two and uh and and

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<v Speaker 1>what I and what I would say is well, we

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<v Speaker 1>will shut down the government for two hundred and ninety

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<v Speaker 1>five days and will ask the American people to stand

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<v Speaker 1>with us. It will ask the American people for power

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<v Speaker 1>to end this. But we will not permit these massed agents.

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<v Speaker 1>We will not permit the blatant violations of the Fourth Amendment.

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<v Speaker 1>These people will be leashed and the American people's abuse

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<v Speaker 1>will cease, and we will not yield on this point.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't have the votes, we control the money. And

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<v Speaker 1>that is the Democratic position now, Chuck Schumer and Hakim

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<v Speaker 1>Jeffers right or in this position right now, And they

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<v Speaker 1>have been equivocal, to say the least about what it

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<v Speaker 1>is that they're prepared to do with saying, well, affordability

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<v Speaker 1>is the issue, and no doubt everybody in America knows

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<v Speaker 1>two things. Everything's more expensive and Trump is responsible. So

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<v Speaker 1>the Democrats don't really have to talk much about something

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<v Speaker 1>that people already blamed Trump for and don't particularly think

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<v Speaker 1>they have any credibility on. What they could reestablish their

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<v Speaker 1>credibility on is drawing a red line, holding that line

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<v Speaker 1>and insisting that they will, in front of the American people,

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<v Speaker 1>use every bit of their capital to protect American citizens

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<v Speaker 1>from abuses by as by a mass gestopa. One do

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<v Speaker 1>you think they will assert leverage? Two do you think

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<v Speaker 1>that they understand where the basic Democratic party is and

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<v Speaker 1>how imperiled their leadership will be if they do not

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<v Speaker 1>hold that line? And three talk about talk about the

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<v Speaker 1>implications right of yielding yet again, because now there is

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<v Speaker 1>no other place to interrupt Trump's power until November of

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty six through congressional elections that hopefully you come

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<v Speaker 1>to power with in the next Congress as a member.

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<v Speaker 2>Look, I think it's absolutely imperative that nobody vote to

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<v Speaker 2>fund ICE anymore because it is basically an organization of

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<v Speaker 2>brown shirts. It's the essay revisited and after the murder

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<v Speaker 2>of Renee Good, I think it would be just absolutely

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<v Speaker 2>immoral to vote for funding ICE period, full stop. And

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I hope that people on the Democratic Party.

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<v Speaker 2>I think many people in Democratic Party are already there,

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<v Speaker 2>many elected officials are already there. I think that's where

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<v Speaker 2>the American people are landing. And I don't And even

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<v Speaker 2>if it's even if there's some political risks of a position,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know how. It's just it's just a moral

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<v Speaker 2>obligation to say no. And and so I absolutely agree

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<v Speaker 2>with you that that this the line has to be

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<v Speaker 2>drawn here, and it has to be drawn now.

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<v Speaker 1>I can. I can go back to comments I've made

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<v Speaker 1>over the last twelve years talking about militarized cops against it.

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<v Speaker 1>I've written about the local cop who's dressed like a

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<v Speaker 1>sealed Team six member in small town America. Not in

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<v Speaker 1>the last year, but five six years ago. All of

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<v Speaker 1>the sales of surplus military equipment to small town police

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<v Speaker 1>departments has always always been a disaster. And I've thought

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<v Speaker 1>about Homeland Security from the very beginning as a as

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<v Speaker 1>a bad thing. And so I I think that ICE

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<v Speaker 1>must be abolished. Now what that what that means is

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<v Speaker 1>do we need immigration enforcement? Of course we do. Never

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<v Speaker 1>whatever it's going to be called, though, we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>have an agency that's not called the US Border Patrol,

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<v Speaker 1>it's going to be gone. Everybody can go visit Bavino's

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<v Speaker 1>long ss code in the Holocaust Museum or the Tolerance Museum.

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<v Speaker 1>That's where you go see a Border Patrol uniform. It

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<v Speaker 1>will never be worn again. The agency won't exist. It

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<v Speaker 1>won't exist because of Tom Homan and and Greg Bavino

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<v Speaker 1>and and all of the thugs. There'll be a new

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<v Speaker 1>name and a new uniform, and new ethics and and

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<v Speaker 1>new standards and and all of these things. But you know,

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<v Speaker 1>one of the one of the foremost disasters of the

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<v Speaker 1>Bush presidency was the creation of the Homeland Security Department.

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<v Speaker 1>And in the Homeland Security Department is the monster created

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<v Speaker 1>by John McCain. I read a criticism of McCain and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's spot on, which is he wasn't a

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<v Speaker 1>person that ever really cared about second or third order

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<v Speaker 1>consequences of of things that he supported. And and I

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<v Speaker 1>don't mean that in a in a disrespectful way, but

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<v Speaker 1>in a but in a precise way. And the Homeland

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<v Speaker 1>Security Agency has become a threat to the liberty of Americans.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the foremost bureaucratic monstrosity that's ever been created in

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<v Speaker 1>the history of the of the country. And so so,

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<v Speaker 1>starting with the Coastguard goes back to the Defense Department,

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<v Speaker 1>the Secret Service, goes back to the Treasury Department, that

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<v Speaker 1>maybe we have a airport security agency that that all

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<v Speaker 1>of this consolid day of power, uh in something called

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<v Speaker 1>Helmeland security, it needs to be busted up and it

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<v Speaker 1>and in busting up that concentration of power, uh then

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<v Speaker 1>is to me a gateway to busting up other concentrations

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<v Speaker 1>of power. And so how do you think about that,

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<v Speaker 1>George is you know, I I was a you know,

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<v Speaker 1>during my Republican years, I was a moderate Republican. I

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<v Speaker 1>was a fifty yard line guide. Culturally, I'm a I'm

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<v Speaker 1>a New Jersey. I'm a New Jersey moderate, right, A

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<v Speaker 1>Christy Whitman, Republican. I am a I'm a capitalist. I uh,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not. I'm not inclined on the natural to load

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<v Speaker 1>up business with regulations. I think regulations imposed costs on consumers.

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<v Speaker 1>But when you when you look at big ad, big banks,

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<v Speaker 1>big tech, how, how does a how does a per

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<v Speaker 1>who came from a intellectually serious conservative position on things

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<v Speaker 1>think about busting up power right to to unshackle Americans,

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<v Speaker 1>ordinary Americans from that from the threats they're facing, because

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<v Speaker 1>I think they're all linked together.

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<v Speaker 2>How I totally and I said, I think it actually

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<v Speaker 2>it's a strand of conservatism to decentralized power. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>one of the reasons why you know, we have talked

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<v Speaker 2>so much about small government in the eighties and nineties,

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<v Speaker 2>right way back in the a galaxy far away unit

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<v Speaker 2>in a long time, long long time ago, in a

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<v Speaker 2>galaxy far far away, is because of the fear that

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<v Speaker 2>if you agglomerated too much power in various arms of

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<v Speaker 2>the government, some bad person could take it over and

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<v Speaker 2>do bad things to everyone. Here we fucking are yep.

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<v Speaker 2>And in terms of the private market, you know, my

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<v Speaker 2>inclination is like yours that generally I don't think that

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<v Speaker 2>government managing markets or controlling markets, for example, setting prices

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<v Speaker 2>gets you very far. At the same time, I believe

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<v Speaker 2>in the central values of for example, the antitrust laws

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<v Speaker 2>to promote competition so that we don't have monopolies. And

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<v Speaker 2>I think now, you know, we have to rethink some

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<v Speaker 2>of that nineteenth century wisdom that was codified in the

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<v Speaker 2>Sherman and Clayton as to apply it to The most

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<v Speaker 2>stunning example to me now is the is the growth

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<v Speaker 2>of media conglomerates that basically are becoming tools of the

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<v Speaker 2>state because of the fear that they have. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>they have so much invested in not making the powerful

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<v Speaker 2>state happy that they you know, conform their editorial policies,

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<v Speaker 2>and they can't. They become propagandists for the government, for

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<v Speaker 2>a corrupt government ce G CBS. So I absolutely think that,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, that's something that's something that we have to rethink,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think there has to be it's part going

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<v Speaker 2>to be part of kind of a reconstruction that has

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<v Speaker 2>to occur after we you know, if, if, if, and

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<v Speaker 2>when we get rid of Trump. You know that we

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<v Speaker 2>were going to talk about things like I mentioned before

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<v Speaker 2>about the justice department. But we also have to talk about,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the structure of the media, you know, and

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<v Speaker 2>and and and various departments of the government, like you mentioned,

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<v Speaker 2>Homeland Security has been a disaster from the get go,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was ripe for this kind of abuse that

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<v Speaker 2>we're seeing today. So yeah, no, we have to we

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<v Speaker 2>have to take long standing justice and apply them in

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<v Speaker 2>different ways that we haven't thought about before, because we

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<v Speaker 2>are in a different century, and we are not. This

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<v Speaker 2>isn't nineteen eighty when I became a Republican. It's twenty.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, a long time ago in nineteen eighty.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot different to me now than it did then.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think one of the problems is a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of people of various political persuasions basically think their minds

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<v Speaker 2>were set in stone about what's right and what's wrong

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<v Speaker 2>ideologically based upon conditions that no longer exist.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm Steve Schmidt. This is the warning. I invite you

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