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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, I am Robert Evans, and this is Behind

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Speaker 1: the Bastards, the show where we tell you everything you

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Speaker 1: don't know about the very worst people in all of history.

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Speaker 1: With me today is Lacy Mosley, comedian, writer, podcaster. Hello

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Speaker 1: and uh Lacy. Did you have a favorite book or

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Speaker 1: series of books when you were a young adult, like

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Speaker 1: a teenager? Oh, like a teenager, I was about Jones.

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Speaker 1: Um oh, that's embarrassing. I don't want to say the

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Speaker 1: horrible set of books that I read. No, it's okay.

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Speaker 1: I used to read those horrible Twilight books. Okay, in

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Speaker 1: high school. That's fine. That little kitty Kitty poor, I know,

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Speaker 1: that's bad. I'm not gonna say, like like little raunchy

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Speaker 1: books for horny teenager. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Twilight. Did you

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Speaker 1: have any impact on you growing up, like your attitudes

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Speaker 1: about the world. Did you like come into adulthood like

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Speaker 1: expecting certain things about the world Twilight? Yeah? Mostly, I

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Speaker 1: just didn't expect men to be trash, you know. I

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Speaker 1: thought I was going find me a nice little porcelain

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Speaker 1: me to be a virgin forever. I don't know. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but then I realized the world is like tender and Instagram. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's like the that's like the secret terror behind children's

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Speaker 1: literature is that it it has such an impact on

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Speaker 1: little kids minds because this stuff that you don't have

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Speaker 1: any sense of credibility when you're growing up, you don't

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Speaker 1: know to like like I don't. Yeah, things are face value,

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Speaker 1: like you take things at face value? Yeah, ab solutely.

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Speaker 1: The stuff that we read is kids has a big

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Speaker 1: impact on us, and we grow up believing certain things

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Speaker 1: as a result of it, and then you know, we

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Speaker 1: we encounter reality absolutely. Um, but yeah, it leaves an impact.

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Speaker 1: Young adult literature changes young adults in meaningful ways. Have

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Speaker 1: you ever wondered what a guy like Hitler was reading

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Speaker 1: when he was twelve? Oh? No, well I haven't. That's

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Speaker 1: what we're going to talk about today. Carl Friedrich May

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Speaker 1: was born in Ernstall, Saxony in eighteen forty two. Now,

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Speaker 1: at that point, Saxony was a kingdom in the southern

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Speaker 1: part of the German Confederation. This was far enough in

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Speaker 1: the past that Germans hadn't really locked down the incept

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Speaker 1: of Germany yet it's like pre German Germany. Uh. Carl

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Speaker 1: gotta get a solid like five or six out right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: really double and triple down. You know, there's a lot

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Speaker 1: all right, I'm duck, she's pregnant for like sixteen years.

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Speaker 1: Yeah that's that's like, yeah, that's the like twenty years

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Speaker 1: and a half but half but just baby. Yeah, what

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Speaker 1: a nightmare. Um. So yeah, when when Carl was twelve

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Speaker 1: he started making money, it's something called a skittle alley.

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Speaker 1: Skittle alley. I looked it up and that's in sexual

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Speaker 1: No you would expect, right, like a skittle alley. You

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Speaker 1: don't want to go down there. Forget a jake at

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Speaker 1: skittle alley, like, uh, it sounds terrible. It's a term

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Speaker 1: a bowling hustler, um like a pool shark. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: at age twelve um eighteen forties Germany. You know that's

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Speaker 1: you could choose to leave school and work in a

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Speaker 1: Karl decided to go to teacher school and made through

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Speaker 1: about two years before he was expelled for stealing six candles.

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Speaker 1: Some candles are probably like stealing six light bowls. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: which which I do all the time. I haven't been fired.

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Speaker 1: So Carl may next opted for the career that came

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Speaker 1: naturally to him, shameless theft. Here's a quote from somebody

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Speaker 1: writing about Carl. At the time, he had stolen everything

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Speaker 1: from billiard balls and gold watches to baby carriages and horses,

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Speaker 1: When he pretended to be a doctor for the purpose

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Speaker 1: Doctor Holy. If that isn't the scammer name if I've

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Speaker 1: ever heard one. Look, I can appreciate a good scam.

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Speaker 1: You know people who are dedicated to tom foolery. You know,

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Speaker 1: Step right up, See what's un anything cards? He's doing

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Speaker 1: mamograms today? Oh yeah, that's a d um. One of

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Speaker 1: his doctor scams involved going showing up at a fancy

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Speaker 1: he's a doctor in a nice hotel. He's not going

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Speaker 1: to skip out on the bill. So he would skip

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Speaker 1: That is crazy. Yeah, he got away with that for

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Speaker 1: months and months and months. His favorite con involved pretending

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Speaker 1: saying he was investigating counterfeit currency. So he would ask

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Speaker 1: it's hard to do a lot of check. Give me

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Speaker 1: and then they would always be counterfeit and he would

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Speaker 1: taking people's money. Why would anyone fall for this even

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Speaker 1: I feel like in the eighteen like sixties, you could

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Speaker 1: they're like. Well, he said he was a cop, and

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Speaker 1: Even back then, German jails were nicer than American jails today.

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Speaker 1: I was allowed access to a vasked library and he

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Speaker 1: read constantly. He also started writing fiction. His favorite books

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Speaker 1: were adventurous stories about America by writers like James Finnimore

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Speaker 1: loved to read travel guides who has led out in

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Speaker 1: eighteen sixty nine and jailed again in eighteen seventy for

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Speaker 1: doing the exact same thing he's done his entire life.

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Speaker 1: So jail made him like better and made him smarter gradually,

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Speaker 1: not immediately, because he gets out after that and he

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Speaker 1: immediately gets caught again doing something dumb. Yeah, it's feels

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Speaker 1: like a writer. He's been getting high. He's waiting for

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Speaker 1: his stranger things strive with it. Yeah, which it comes

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Speaker 1: he's such a great scammer. He's he's he's wheeling and

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Speaker 1: as the winn Aitao series. Uh. These books would become

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Speaker 1: the nineteenth century German equivalent of Harry Potter. I read

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Speaker 1: more like like like the wallpaper. It's like seasoning for

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Speaker 1: like the Mary Sue of all Mary sues he can

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Speaker 1: funk our land, We're gonna help this white man out.

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00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:31,320
Speaker 1: So they call this, they call their they call in

425
00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:34,080
Speaker 1: the homies. Yeah. Yeah. And so they win because they've

426
00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:36,359
Speaker 1: just got this extra army that's bigger than the other army.

427
00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:38,639
Speaker 1: So Hitler was like, all right, I gotta gotta have

428
00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:41,160
Speaker 1: another art is what we need to do. We need

429
00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:43,840
Speaker 1: to have another army, guys. What Well, reading to this

430
00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:47,160
Speaker 1: brings to mind the real story of Army Detachment Steiner.

431
00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:50,760
Speaker 1: This was a real military unit, well sort of real

432
00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:53,280
Speaker 1: military unit that Hitler threw together near the end of

433
00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:55,960
Speaker 1: the war in April nineteen forty five, is the Russians

434
00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:59,119
Speaker 1: were advancing into Berlin. On paper, it was a mighty force.

435
00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:01,159
Speaker 1: In reality, it was made up of units that had

436
00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:04,159
Speaker 1: been decimated in many cases had no weapons and often

437
00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:07,920
Speaker 1: did not exist at all. Hitler was convinced that this

438
00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:10,440
Speaker 1: fake army was going to throw back the Russians. When

439
00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:13,280
Speaker 1: its commander refused to attack because it would have killed

440
00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:17,400
Speaker 1: had no weapons and where mostly teenagers, Hitler went into

441
00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:23,719
Speaker 1: a rage and killed himself eight days later. So so

442
00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:28,159
Speaker 1: Albert Speer, Hitler's chief architect and and munitions master and

443
00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:32,000
Speaker 1: whatnot after the war, wrote that Hitler basically treated Karl

444
00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:34,560
Speaker 1: May like the literary equivalent of comfort food after a

445
00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:37,919
Speaker 1: bad day of losing the Second World War. Quote Hitler

446
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:39,720
Speaker 1: was wont to say that he had always been deeply

447
00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:42,719
Speaker 1: impressed by the tactical finesse and circumspection that Karl May

448
00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:45,240
Speaker 1: conferred upon his character Win a Tao, And he would

449
00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:48,000
Speaker 1: add during his reading hours at night, when faced by

450
00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:51,440
Speaker 1: seemingly hopeless situations, he would still reach for those stories.

451
00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:54,320
Speaker 1: They gave him courage, like works of philosophy for others,

452
00:23:54,560 --> 00:24:00,520
Speaker 1: or the Bible for elderly people. That really is like,

453
00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:02,440
Speaker 1: if you're president and you're like, give me my Harry

454
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:06,840
Speaker 1: Potter book. Oh Harry, these are my Bible? What should

455
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:09,280
Speaker 1: I do? Now? Tell me how to open the Chamber

456
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:12,040
Speaker 1: of Secrets in my heart, how do I be Baltimore

457
00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:15,080
Speaker 1: Only it's a whole real ass war that it's the Russians.

458
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:19,400
Speaker 1: It's the Russians, Baltimore, the Russians. I could see similarities

459
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:23,600
Speaker 1: this man. Wow, yeah, I get it. Though Hitler was

460
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:26,200
Speaker 1: a scammer. His whole life was scams. He was literally

461
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:29,760
Speaker 1: trying to kill a grace of people that he belonged to. Well,

462
00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:31,680
Speaker 1: that was more of a myth. So there's a myth

463
00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:35,879
Speaker 1: that like Hitler, Hitler was actually a Jewish guy. Really

464
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:38,760
Speaker 1: it's my it's unconfised. So there's it's it's one of

465
00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:42,240
Speaker 1: those things like there's it's impossible to get completely definitive evidence,

466
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:45,359
Speaker 1: but when you go back to the genealogy that exists,

467
00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:48,679
Speaker 1: it doesn't seem like it adds up, like there's no

468
00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:51,760
Speaker 1: part of the me. It would have been great irony.

469
00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:54,359
Speaker 1: It is true that his family's original last name was

470
00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 1: Schickel Gruber, and he only is named Hitler because his

471
00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:01,840
Speaker 1: shatter hands. He was he was gonna be eight off

472
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 1: shatter hands. And they were like, nah, bro, that doesn't

473
00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:08,200
Speaker 1: it's not ringing, it doesn't ring. Yeah, No, it's it's

474
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:11,160
Speaker 1: it's it's he's he does have a ridiculous backstory, which

475
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:13,320
Speaker 1: I'm sure we'll get to one of these days. Um,

476
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:15,800
Speaker 1: but that part isn't part of it. He was. He

477
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,240
Speaker 1: was a scammer and in almost every other way a

478
00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:22,840
Speaker 1: man could be a scammer though a fake army. Yeah,

479
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:25,240
Speaker 1: he's he's scammed himself on that one. That was That

480
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:29,159
Speaker 1: was a Hitler double scam there. Um So, yeah, Hitler

481
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:31,800
Speaker 1: was a complicated dude. And I don't want to be

482
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,640
Speaker 1: claiming here that, like, you know, everything that he did

483
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:38,600
Speaker 1: was based on Karl May. But it's hard to look at, say,

484
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 1: the invasion to invade Russia and not see a couple

485
00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:46,040
Speaker 1: of Karl May's intellectual fingerprints. Um. So this will start

486
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:49,080
Speaker 1: with the concept of Leban's realm, which is a German

487
00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:51,520
Speaker 1: word that means living space. Uh and it's it's one

488
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:53,440
Speaker 1: of the Hitler vocab words that a lot of people

489
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:57,080
Speaker 1: probably remember from high school and his The idea is

490
00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:59,439
Speaker 1: basically that the German people needed more space. You know,

491
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:01,439
Speaker 1: there were this great up and coming nation. We need

492
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 1: more space for farmland so we can grow, and the

493
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:06,720
Speaker 1: only place to get it is taking it, Yeah, taking

494
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 1: it from Poland, Ukraine, Russia, France. Everybody um and Hitler

495
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 1: when he would talk about this before the invasions, very

496
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:17,199
Speaker 1: much couched it in terms of the American frontier. Uh.

497
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:20,160
Speaker 1: He believed in social Darwinism, some cultures were stronger than others,

498
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:23,640
Speaker 1: and strong cultures deserve to take the land of weak cultures. Uh.

499
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 1: This idea is in full display in Karl May's work.

500
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 1: The Native Americans are portrayed as a doomed but noble people. Uh.

501
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:33,480
Speaker 1: It's taken for granted that their struggle is destined to

502
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:36,119
Speaker 1: failure and that it's perfectly normal for white people to

503
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:38,400
Speaker 1: move right on in and take their land. I love

504
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:40,920
Speaker 1: what you call something doomed, because you're the one who's

505
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 1: damning it. Like, look, we all kill them, so they're

506
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:45,880
Speaker 1: gonna be killed. So it's not bad that we're gonna

507
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,439
Speaker 1: kill him because we kill him them. Like what kind

508
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 1: of logic is that it's clearly a doomed struggle. Look

509
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:53,120
Speaker 1: at how good we are and murdering them. Yeah, I mean,

510
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:55,560
Speaker 1: we came to kill them, so it's not our fault.

511
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:58,119
Speaker 1: When they did know that some things are just inevitable,

512
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:01,720
Speaker 1: like all this murder we're doing. But that's how you

513
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:03,399
Speaker 1: have to think as a scammer. That's how you get

514
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:07,360
Speaker 1: away with live with people who call yourself dr holy. Like, Look,

515
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:09,240
Speaker 1: if I don't show up and take their money, somebody

516
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 1: else will, so it should be me. Someone's gonna wind

517
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 1: up with that money, either them or someone else or me,

518
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:19,920
Speaker 1: so it might as well be. Um. Here's a quote

519
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 1: from one of the characters in the novel Winitao, who

520
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:24,320
Speaker 1: is a white guy who becomes a member of the

521
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 1: Apache tribe and lives with them for years and years

522
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:29,119
Speaker 1: and years. This is so. This is supposedly a guy

523
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 1: who's sympathetic to their cause. The Red race has been

524
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 1: cruelly outraged and robbed. But as a white man, I

525
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 1: know the Indian must disappear. And here's a Hitler quote

526
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:42,679
Speaker 1: from October one, a few months into Operation Barbarossa, the

527
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 1: invasion of Russia. I don't see why a German who

528
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:47,359
Speaker 1: eats a piece of bread should torment himself with the

529
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:49,919
Speaker 1: idea that the soil that produces this bread has been

530
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 1: won by the sword. When we eat wheat from Canada,

531
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 1: we don't think about the despoiled Indians. Wow. Yeah, The

532
00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:59,639
Speaker 1: way to alleviate your guilt like they had all the

533
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 1: tech is like look, okay, yeah, we murdered him, but

534
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 1: if we didn't murder him, we would have murdered him,

535
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:08,440
Speaker 1: so they would have been dead. Canada did it too,

536
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 1: and also Canada. Remember are we any worse than Canada? Yes,

537
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 1: but not by enough. Uh here's another quote. The struggle

538
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 1: we are waging against the Soviet partisans resembles very much

539
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 1: the struggle in North America against the Red Indians. Victory

540
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:26,920
Speaker 1: will go to the strong, and strength is on our side.

541
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:33,440
Speaker 1: Uh So, Karl May isn't the only Old West influence

542
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:36,240
Speaker 1: that that Hitler. Hitler draws from, Like you know, reading

543
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 1: those novels as a kid sparked sort of a fascination

544
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 1: in him with just sort of the whole American frontier,

545
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 1: and he studied everything that we did during that period

546
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 1: of time. And in nineteen thirty nine, Hitler forced ninety

547
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 1: thousand Polish Jews onto a reservation ghetto in direct imitation

548
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 1: of a strategy Kit Carson pursued with a Navajos. So

549
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:57,000
Speaker 1: a lot of Hitler's interest in the Old West was

550
00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 1: based on real history, but that obsession with real history

551
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 1: was barked by Hitler's own admission by Carl May's Old

552
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 1: West novels history. Yeah, did he ever realize that it

553
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 1: was fake? The Hitler think that these stories were true,

554
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 1: because remember Carl came out was like this is me. Yeah.

555
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 1: I think Hitler went to his grave believing Karl May

556
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 1: had never told a lie because he because the actual

557
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 1: Karl May was a pacifist, you know, I mean Karl

558
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 1: didn't kill anybody. He just stole from He was just

559
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 1: stealing candles left and right. He kept the piece, but

560
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 1: he was also steal your billion balls, your baby carrits. Yeah,

561
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 1: if only Hitler had jumped out of the stealing billiard balls,

562
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 1: Carl Mays legacy, like, we'd all be fine with Hitler.

563
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 1: Then it was just a silver tongue devil stealing pool

564
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 1: balls so that the checking their money. I need to

565
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 1: check your dollars. Oh Hitler got away again? Yeah he would.

566
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 1: He would literally be a chaplain figure then absolutely. Yeah. Um.

567
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 1: As the war went on, Hitler and his regime propaganda

568
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 1: grew increasingly obsessed with what they called wonderwaffa or miracle weapons.

569
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 1: The V two rocket was one example of these, which

570
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 1: is those those big rockets. They would just shoot over

571
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 1: to the England and you know some of them would

572
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 1: hit people. Most of them would hit nothing. But it

573
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 1: scared the ship out of people because it's like, yeah,

574
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 1: missiles hadn't existed. It's basically like an angel falling on

575
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 1: your house. Um. So yeah, you can make a case

576
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,239
Speaker 1: that Hitler's love of super weapons and his faith in

577
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 1: the ability of these wonder weapons to uh to win

578
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 1: the war started with Karl may See. Old shatter Hand

579
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,479
Speaker 1: in Wintaw were often heavily outnumbered on the planes by

580
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 1: bandits or hostile Indian tribes or groups of of evil

581
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 1: criminals or whatever, but they always came out on top.

582
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:47,720
Speaker 1: One reason for this is that they had weapons that were,

583
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 1: by eighteen seventy standards, wacko space guns like what like

584
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 1: a like a like a sling shot. No, Old shatter

585
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 1: Hand had a repeating rifle that he claimed and again

586
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 1: he said this was a real gun that he really used.

587
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 1: He said it could fire a hundred rounds a minute

588
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 1: and was effective at more than fifteen hundred yards away. Now,

589
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 1: for comparison, in eighteen sixty five, like five years before

590
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 1: these books are set, a good soldier like a vet

591
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 1: is putting out three or four bullets a minute from

592
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 1: two hundred yards away. So Carl claims he's got a Yeah,

593
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 1: Carl claims he's got an A R fifteen out there

594
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 1: on the plans that he's just and he can carry

595
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 1: seventeen hundred and twenty eight bullets because they're very tiny

596
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 1: but very deadly. It's a really specific number. I don't

597
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 1: know why that's like an odd one to pick, because

598
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 1: you gotta you know, usually you get heavy on the specific. Yeah.

599
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 1: I picture him like putting it thousands of No, no, no, Carl,

600
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 1: you gotta be specific here. No one's going to believe

601
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 1: that sounds belie. Hundred twenty eight. There we go. Um.

602
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 1: And when Hitler was a kid, in the time before

603
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 1: World War One, there were regular rumors in Germany, stoked

604
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 1: by Carl May himself, that he was going to give

605
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 1: his special secret Eifel to the Kaiser so it could

606
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 1: be used by the German army. Um. So May as

607
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 1: a kid was saying like, it's okay, I know we're

608
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 1: surrounded as Germany and we've got all these enemies, but

609
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 1: I got this super space gun and I'm gonna give

610
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 1: it to the King and it's gonna be all right.

611
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 1: We're gonna win this war with my space. He could

612
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 1: not quit lying. He had money, he had fame, and

613
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 1: he was like, what else can I get a political

614
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 1: influence with a fake ass space. Yeah, he's like a

615
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 1: guy who wins the lottery and then it's like, I'm

616
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 1: gonna spend all this lot of money on more lottery tickets.

617
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 1: That's the smart fucking play Listen, this is really like

618
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:33,720
Speaker 1: empowering my life, you know what I mean? The next

619
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 1: time I have opportunity to a lot of somebody or

620
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 1: defraud people like I would take it because if I don't,

621
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:41,719
Speaker 1: somebody else will. Somebody else will, and who knows the

622
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 1: frauds that you commit might might wind up inspiring the

623
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 1: next Hitler, which what everybody wants everyone. Uh. Now, we

624
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 1: we've got some some more of those commercials uh capitalism

625
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 1: ditties to sing. Um, So we're gonna get into that next.

626
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 1: After that, we're going to get back into how Karl

627
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 1: May's ridiculous novels influenced Hitler's ideas of what America was

628
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 1: going to do during the World War Two, and also

629
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 1: how Karl May's ridiculous con story actually ended. Um. So

630
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 1: all of that after some ads and we're back. So

631
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 1: last we were talking about Karl May, the con man

632
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 1: who wrote a bunch of Wild West novels based on

633
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 1: nothing that inspired Hitler and his plans to invade Poland

634
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 1: and Russia. And now we're going to talk about how

635
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 1: Karl May shaped Hitler's ideas about America. So obviously, Karl

636
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 1: May's novels, by Hitler's own admission, were the first time

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Speaker 1: he really read anything about America. They opened his eyes

638
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 1: to geography. And in May's novels, America is a land

639
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 1: dominated by German immigrants. Almost every white person in the

640
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 1: story with a speaking role in these novels is a

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00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 1: German transplant. In the first book, Old shatter Hand, a

642
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 1: German heads west and meets his mentor or who also

643
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 1: happens to be a German, and they stumble upon an

644
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 1: old man who's been living with apaches for years and

645
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 1: also happens to be German. This pattern continues for dozens

646
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:11,919
Speaker 1: of books, Like almost every new person that they meet

647
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 1: who doesn't suck is a German who just moved to America.

648
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 1: So it's like, oh gosh, was he? It was Hitler's

649
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 1: like overall goal, like he's just gonna keep spreading until

650
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 1: he gets bread into America. Well, he thought he thought

651
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 1: America was doomed by its diversity, but he also thought

652
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:27,880
Speaker 1: America had a chance to survive because there was a

653
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 1: huge German population in America. So if if he could

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00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 1: get those Germans in charge of America and just you know,

655
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 1: push everyone else into the sea, then America had a

656
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 1: real bright future ahead of it, which is why the

657
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 1: Nazi government expended a lot of money establishing the German

658
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Speaker 1: American Bund, which was a Nazi organization in America in

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Speaker 1: the nineteen thirties that attracted tens of thousands of members.

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00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 1: They drew twenty thousand people at one point to Madison

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00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:56,400
Speaker 1: Square Garden up in the Pacific Palisades, there is a

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00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 1: house that's currently a graffiti sanctuary that was bought as

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00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:03,399
Speaker 1: a resort for the Nazi elite um in the Palisades.

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Speaker 1: The Nazi elite. Yeah, yeah, there's Hitler's house. You can

665
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 1: go hike in it if you live in l A.

666
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 1: And it's actually it's a lovely hike. I bet it's beautiful.

667
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 1: It is in the whole building is like a graffiti sanctuary. Now,

668
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 1: so there's some really cool graffiti artwork. Wait, like people

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00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 1: are doing like anti Nazi graffiti or it's like beautiful

670
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 1: Trafiti Like it's no, it's not Nazi graffiti at least

671
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 1: I haven't seen any swastikas. But it's just it's just

672
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 1: nice graffiti. Yeah, because lately the Nazis don't had that

673
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 1: swag that they used to. They were polos and new balances.

674
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 1: At least back then they had you know, que altfits,

675
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 1: nice villas. Yeah, I'll say this for the Nazis, they

676
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:43,840
Speaker 1: knew how to make a leather jacket, quality stitch, quality stitching.

677
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 1: I mean Hugo Boss, right, honestly, if I could just

678
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 1: remove the SWASTI well, I mean you can go buy

679
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:53,879
Speaker 1: Hugo Boss today. Oh that's very true. Oh man. Yeah,

680
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:56,799
Speaker 1: the Hugo Boss made all the s S uniforms. Yeah,

681
00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 1: that's how that got started. And we still buy Hugo

682
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 1: Boss have a great I mean we still buy Mercedes.

683
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 1: Were German engineer, Yeah, yeah, they made tanks and now

684
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:10,319
Speaker 1: they make pretty good cars. You know what, I'm gonna

685
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:11,880
Speaker 1: put them in the bowels of my memory because I

686
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 1: like Mercedes. Yeah. Well, I mean they weren't bad tanks,

687
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 1: so yeah, the fewer never wanted a war with the

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Speaker 1: United States and believed that the U s could be

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00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:28,279
Speaker 1: brought around to supporting Nazi ideals. Uh And part of

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00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:31,840
Speaker 1: this belief started with the fact that he got his

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00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 1: conception of America through Karl may novels as a nation

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Speaker 1: that was dominated by sober, goodhearted German punch masters. Um.

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Speaker 1: And it may seem silly to think that these ridiculous

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Speaker 1: trash books would have formed the basis of the furious

695
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:46,800
Speaker 1: feelings in America, but other Europeans at the time also

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00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 1: took May seriously as an expert on American culture. I

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00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 1: found this quote from a French newspaper reviewer condemning American

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Speaker 1: values because of what Carl fucking May wrote about them.

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00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:02,280
Speaker 1: The man who had never been, who had never left Germany,

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Speaker 1: the traveler Karl May assures us that no single point

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00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:10,719
Speaker 1: in his story is invention or exaggeration. American morals, no

702
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:13,840
Speaker 1: matter what certain admirers of that young civilization may say,

703
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 1: are generally inferior to ours. They sometimes lower themselves to

704
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:20,759
Speaker 1: abject savagery, especially when it comes to the ugly practices

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00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 1: of personal revenge. The writer describes the American version of

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Speaker 1: Christianity as relayed by Karl May as mutilated. He concludes

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Speaker 1: that the thirst for both gold and revenge are two

708
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 1: of the most terrible passions of the Yankee. So you

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00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:36,279
Speaker 1: can see why Hitler might have thought America would be

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00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 1: on board with Nazism. Um yeah, and also, I mean,

711
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:44,879
Speaker 1: French guy's conception isn't a d percent off, right? I mean,

712
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 1: as some solid guesses, this is starting to make me

713
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Speaker 1: think that when the Bible was first written, it was

714
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:53,360
Speaker 1: supposed to be like some fun fiction came out like

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00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 1: it's all true. In fact, it's me. Oh, this is

716
00:37:56,560 --> 00:38:01,360
Speaker 1: taken off. No, no, this is all real me jeez usa.

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00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 1: Um so yeah, I I think the first guy to

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00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 1: draw a direct connection between Karl May and Hitler was Klausmann,

719
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 1: who was the son of Thomas Man, a famous German author.

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00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 1: Klaussmann wrote in an article in nineteen forty called Karl

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00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:18,360
Speaker 1: May Hitler's Literary Mentor, where he made basically all the

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00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:21,760
Speaker 1: allegations I've just made, minus the Russia stuff because Hitler

723
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 1: had invaded Russiette. Um. But but klauss wrote, the Third

724
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,840
Speaker 1: Reich is Karl May's ultimate triumph, the ghastly realization of

725
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:32,360
Speaker 1: his dreams. It is, according to ethical and aesthetic standards

726
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:36,280
Speaker 1: indistinguishable from his that the Austrian house painter Hitler, nourished

727
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 1: in his youth by old shatter hand, is now attempting

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00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 1: to rebuild the world. So Man actually blamed Karl May

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00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:43,719
Speaker 1: for not just Hitler, but the fact that all of

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00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 1: Germany been to Hitler's madness. Quote. They're hopelessly estranged from

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Speaker 1: both reality and art, sacrificing all civilization and common sense

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00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 1: on the altar of a brutish heroism, but stubbornly loyal,

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Speaker 1: whether consciously or not, to the foul substitute for poetry

734
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 1: and culture represented by Karl May. It's like a it's

735
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:04,239
Speaker 1: like a mental escape too. So you're broke as fun,

736
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:06,239
Speaker 1: and then somebody comes along and tells you that you

737
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:07,799
Speaker 1: can take over the world. And then there's all these

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00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 1: books that are basically saying German people everywhere just like Yeah.

739
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:13,719
Speaker 1: It fills this whole nation's mind with like images of

740
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:16,239
Speaker 1: this this huge amount of territory if you can just

741
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:18,440
Speaker 1: take it from the savage people who own it. And

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00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 1: all it takes is a strong right hook and a

743
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 1: magic rifle. Yeah, and literally what Trump has done to

744
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 1: Middle America. Yo, I wonder what book Trump is reading.

745
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 1: What's his Carl May? I mean Dr Seuss? Does he

746
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 1: read Cat and Had? There's a lot of pictures in that. Yeah,

747
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 1: it's not to read. I'm gonna get those green eggs

748
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 1: in that. Damn ham All. We know that's really what's happening. Yeah,

749
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 1: oh yeah, okay, yeah. So it is worth noting, in

750
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 1: fairness to Carl May, that a lot of non Hitler

751
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:52,839
Speaker 1: Germans also professed to deepen abiding love for Carl May. Einstein.

752
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 1: Einstein was a huge Carl May fan, although he did

753
00:39:56,000 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 1: not credit May with his breakthroughs on relativity. Um, he

754
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:04,360
Speaker 1: needs to give Carl some credit. Yeah. I used to

755
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 1: wear the same sharts every day, right, didn't that come

756
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 1: from Carl? Six guns? Six guns every day? Einstein was

757
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:18,439
Speaker 1: always strapped. That's a classic Einstein fact. Pack and heat.

758
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 1: Everybody was to steal those theories from him. Okay, yeah.

759
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 1: I also want to point out May espoused a number

760
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 1: of of anti Hitler views in his novel Not he

761
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 1: wasn't like against Hitler because Hitler was like a child

762
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 1: at the time, but like he There's like a point

763
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 1: in one of the books where a guy makes fun

764
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:36,799
Speaker 1: of a of a hunchback dude, and Karl May is like,

765
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 1: it's shitty to make fun of people who have disabilities,

766
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 1: which is not a Hitler. Hitler murdered people with with Yeah. Yeah,

767
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:47,800
Speaker 1: so um May wasn't in lockstep with the Nazis. And

768
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:49,800
Speaker 1: it may seem a little weird that Hitler would idolize

769
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 1: someone who wrote things that contradicted his own beliefs. This

770
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:54,919
Speaker 1: makes a little more sense when you understand what I'm

771
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 1: calling the Adolf Hitler theory of how to read us

772
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 1: laid out in mind comp hit They're stated reading is

773
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:03,319
Speaker 1: no end in itself, but a means to an end.

774
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:06,320
Speaker 1: And to explain that, he said, a man who possesses

775
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 1: possesses the art of correct reading, will, in studying any book, magazine,

776
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 1: or pamphlet instinctively and immediately perceive everything which, in his opinion,

777
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:19,840
Speaker 1: is worth permanently remembering. So basically, cherry pick, pick and

778
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 1: choose what you want, choose your own adventure. Yeah yeah,

779
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 1: he's saying the right way to read is to pull

780
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 1: everything that reinforces your existing opinions out of a book

781
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:31,319
Speaker 1: and ignore the rest um, which is how a lot

782
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:33,720
Speaker 1: of people read. Yeah, it's kind of a shockingly accurate

783
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:36,919
Speaker 1: prediction of how content works on the internet. Um, so

784
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:41,400
Speaker 1: Hitler had our number with that, And and religion like everything,

785
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:43,799
Speaker 1: because you know, Bible thumbers love to pull up those

786
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 1: quotes that are like anti gay, but then they love

787
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 1: to forget about parts that are just like you know,

788
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 1: you could still sell your daughter and like all this

789
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 1: that's just like oh, yeah, the time Jesus beat up

790
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 1: all those bankers, Like no, no, no, he loves capitalism.

791
00:41:57,160 --> 00:41:59,840
Speaker 1: He's a big fan. No, he loves it. In for

792
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:04,719
Speaker 1: said flat he would have loved that. Oh the only

793
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:06,279
Speaker 1: time he got violent was when he beat up a

794
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 1: bunch of money lenders. No, no, it doesn't confirm our bias.

795
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 1: Damn Hitler said some real truth though, that was he

796
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:16,879
Speaker 1: was he was on the money with that one. Yeah.

797
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:18,839
Speaker 1: I mean that's not how you should read, but it's

798
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 1: how people do read. Yeah. And I also wonder if

799
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:24,880
Speaker 1: he was reading it from the perspective of like conquering

800
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:27,759
Speaker 1: people and manipulating them. If he was also reading that,

801
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 1: because like that's what a lot of these books like.

802
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:32,919
Speaker 1: They managed to convince other Indians to beat up other

803
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 1: Indians Like yeah, and the Indians are like surprisingly okay,

804
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 1: with a lot of what's happening? Yeah no, we got

805
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 1: you white guys. Yeah. Um. So the last question of

806
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 1: this podcast is what did happen to Karl May in

807
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:55,840
Speaker 1: the end? Uh? And that's a story worth telling to.

808
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:58,800
Speaker 1: As I said, he got rich and wealthy and started

809
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 1: to claim that he himself his old shatter Hand. He

810
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:04,439
Speaker 1: bought a big, fancy mansion, which he nicknamed Villa shatter Hand.

811
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 1: It's really it was so bad, and he's like, I'm

812
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:12,880
Speaker 1: gonna put it every the coolest thing anybody ever thought of.

813
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:16,279
Speaker 1: Villa sounds classic. I'm gonna put shatter Hand on the end.

814
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 1: He filled it with exotic replicas that he claimed were

815
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 1: from his travels, but in reality they came from a

816
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:25,400
Speaker 1: furniture dealer in Dresden. He also had replicas of his

817
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:28,799
Speaker 1: character's famous guns built in Dresden, and I gotta show

818
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 1: you a picture of his guns. Um, what about this?

819
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 1: This one is the A R fifteen supposedly, but divert

820
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 1: your eyes there to the bedazzled hunting rifle. That is

821
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 1: a bedazzled double barreled bear hunting room. Fucking Ryan stoned

822
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:51,360
Speaker 1: that motherfucker up, yo, I mean it's cute though, yeah, yeah, tastes.

823
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:53,799
Speaker 1: He was like he was giving us a little he

824
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 1: was like a rapper. He really gives me the feeling

825
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:58,319
Speaker 1: of like, you know, I'm gonna wear the shiniest ship

826
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:00,880
Speaker 1: on me. That's like a little Wayne so like bedazzling

827
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:03,879
Speaker 1: his Yeah, yeah, it is in that. I gotta give

828
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:05,920
Speaker 1: respect to that, because if I ever get rich, I'm

829
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 1: definitely bedazzling all my Oh you know, how do people

830
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 1: know you're inch no and you you wear that coat

831
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 1: and you yeah, you It's like a knight did agrees out.

832
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:18,360
Speaker 1: He's the sweating. He's sweat pouring out his ankles. We're

833
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:21,319
Speaker 1: criticizing Karl May for the Nazi stuff, but not for

834
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:24,440
Speaker 1: the fashion stuff. If anyone knows how to purport a

835
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:28,880
Speaker 1: lifestyle that they are definitely not living. It is like

836
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:31,239
Speaker 1: if they had cribs back then, like you know, Villa

837
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 1: shatterhand would have been lit. This is the skin of

838
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:39,760
Speaker 1: a bear I totally killed. Yeah literally, Macy's on the tag.

839
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:42,439
Speaker 1: Yeah that was the bear's name. He's like, I got

840
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 1: these from some Indian's um crazy foot and and a birdman.

841
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 1: Birdman his name was yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's in

842
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 1: my book. He's like, all this ship looks like it

843
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:57,360
Speaker 1: came from dressden. Oh no, no, no, so wait does

844
00:44:57,400 --> 00:44:59,759
Speaker 1: a guy in dressing all his secrets? You know that

845
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 1: he must have, right, like there has Maybe he was

846
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 1: just getting so many gun orders that he was like,

847
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 1: if I tell this money train in. Oh listen, I

848
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 1: keep all the secrets. Yeah, yeah, you can trust a

849
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 1: gun smith, but dazzles rifles. I have a store of

850
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 1: exact because of everything in Karl Bay's house. Just like, no, no, no,

851
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 1: he got it from America. No, those are the guns

852
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 1: he used to fight a bunch of Frontier wars. Yeah.

853
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 1: Um so. By age fifty six, Karl May was at

854
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 1: the height of his fame and influence. He claimed to

855
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:30,799
Speaker 1: speak more than forty languages and to understand more than

856
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 1: twelve hundred. So he's like that lady who was doing

857
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:42,759
Speaker 1: fake sign language, like doing translations. Yeah, fifty six though

858
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:46,920
Speaker 1: he lived hell along fifty six is hell along he

859
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 1: was back in the day. I mean all the six

860
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 1: is that like he did live long on the curve

861
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:55,320
Speaker 1: that his brothers and sisters set. Um, so he he

862
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:56,879
Speaker 1: didn't die at that point though, this is the height

863
00:45:56,880 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 1: of his fame. Um. He was so popular that during

864
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 1: one speech in Munich, firefighters had to be dispatched to

865
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:06,840
Speaker 1: disperse the crowd of his fans. That's like some beatleshit um.

866
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 1: He claimed that he had only two great missions left

867
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:12,760
Speaker 1: in life. A visit back to see the Apaches, trip

868
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 1: to see the Shake of the Haddaden Arabs, which he

869
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 1: also read. A bunch of books set in the Middle

870
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:21,920
Speaker 1: East that he also claimed was based about him, where

871
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:23,799
Speaker 1: he does the same stuff, but in the Middle East.

872
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 1: So his last two goals in life are two fake things. Yeah,

873
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 1: that's two goals in life. More lies. I just haven't

874
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 1: told quite enough lies. Like damn, like you couldn't give

875
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:38,279
Speaker 1: us one real thing? He's like, no, like lines are

876
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 1: his achievements. Obviously, He's like, last week, I'm gonna fraud

877
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:43,399
Speaker 1: out some people in the hundreds of millions of books

878
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 1: I've sold er nice, But it's my lies that keep

879
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:49,440
Speaker 1: me warm at night. Maybe gotta be passionate about something, okay.

880
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 1: So in eight he came under a storm of criticism.

881
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:56,880
Speaker 1: A collection of his very early works was republished against

882
00:46:56,960 --> 00:47:00,400
Speaker 1: his will, and these writings were semi pornographic. I have

883
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:03,320
Speaker 1: not been able to find them, which is a tragedy. Damn,

884
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 1: he has some erotica. Yeah, he was apparently writing erotica

885
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:12,319
Speaker 1: or semi erotica early in his career. He sued for

886
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 1: defamation of character. Um, but this began a surge of

887
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:20,759
Speaker 1: interest in Karl May's actual documented past. Uh So, May

888
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:23,480
Speaker 1: panicked tried to cover his tracks. He had the original

889
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 1: plates of those photographs that of him in costume thrown

890
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:28,439
Speaker 1: into the Danube because like the pictures had been edited

891
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 1: and he didn't want people to see that they'd clearly

892
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:32,239
Speaker 1: been taken in a photo studio. So he started a

893
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 1: little bow out. Yeah yeah, his doctor It was found

894
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:38,840
Speaker 1: out as fake. Uh oh. He'd also spent years pretending

895
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:42,920
Speaker 1: to be a doctor. Why he was He pretended to

896
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 1: be a doctor again after he was a famous author.

897
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 1: He also lied about being a doctor. You already his author? Well,

898
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:57,240
Speaker 1: but doctor shatter Hand is a pretty sick name. Hand Lord, Jesus,

899
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 1: I love this guy. During the course of the lawsuit

900
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 1: against the people who published his porn, his criminal record

901
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:08,040
Speaker 1: was uncovered, and worst of all, it was discovered that

902
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:12,720
Speaker 1: he'd never actually been to America. D Carl May published

903
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 1: an autobiography in nineteen ten to try and rehabilitate his

904
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 1: image and defend himself. Among other things, he claimed that

905
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:22,720
Speaker 1: his famous candle theft, Remember the six candles. He claimed

906
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 1: that that was so he could give his sister wax

907
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 1: scraps as a Christmas present. Okay, well, I know it

908
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 1: was eating rock SUPs, so I know wax scraps might

909
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 1: actually be nice. Here's your wax scraps. Also, that's still

910
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:40,840
Speaker 1: not a good excuse. He stall six candles so you

911
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 1: could give your sister a terrible gift, not even the

912
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 1: whole king candle. She's done. She doesn't want candle, she

913
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 1: wants scraps. Okay, okay, bam, that was not she dying.

914
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 1: You should at least say she was dying. Just make

915
00:48:56,719 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 1: a better lie. Carl May, he's admire He's such a

916
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 1: constant liar um. But all the controversy did prompt the

917
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:07,920
Speaker 1: elderly Karl May and his wife to visit the United States.

918
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:10,799
Speaker 1: They made it as far west as Buffalo, New York.

919
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:15,320
Speaker 1: So Karl May died in nineteen twelve, but his ridiculous

920
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 1: books lived on. In the nineteen sixties, they were made

921
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:19,880
Speaker 1: into a series of euro Westerns that are credited with

922
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:23,000
Speaker 1: saving West Germany's film industry. There's still a Karl May

923
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:25,640
Speaker 1: festival in Germany every year that draws tens of thousands

924
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 1: of fans. Thanks to his books and the fascination for

925
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:31,640
Speaker 1: Native American culture they ignited, Germany has a thriving Native

926
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:35,759
Speaker 1: American cause play and festival industry to this day. So I,

927
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 1: in one of my previous jobs, interviewed a guy who

928
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:41,319
Speaker 1: was a Native American and a professor, and his whole

929
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:44,360
Speaker 1: job is like busting people who falsely claimed to be

930
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 1: Native Americans to like sell products and stuff. And one

931
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:49,759
Speaker 1: of the things he pointed out is that some of

932
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:53,160
Speaker 1: the world's best living speakers of languages like the Sioux

933
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 1: language are Germans who learned it so that they can

934
00:49:56,719 --> 00:50:00,319
Speaker 1: cause play better in these gigantic festivals. Because no, it's

935
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:03,920
Speaker 1: a you can find these insane pictures online of these

936
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 1: German Native American festivals where and it's all white guys

937
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:11,080
Speaker 1: and and ladies dressing up in costume and like not

938
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:14,279
Speaker 1: bad costume. Like a lot of these people, like some

939
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:17,400
Speaker 1: of them like authentically like hand chip their own stone

940
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:20,919
Speaker 1: axes and stuff, like they're really into it. Are they're

941
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:26,759
Speaker 1: not using Karl No, because everything Carl May wrote was alive.

942
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:30,279
Speaker 1: Now they've gotten better since then. Um, we'll put some

943
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:32,800
Speaker 1: of the pictures up on on the site and in

944
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:36,400
Speaker 1: social media. There's some great ones of the movies where

945
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:38,880
Speaker 1: they cast just the most ridiculous looking man to be

946
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:45,040
Speaker 1: old shatter hands. It's just like throwing Yeah, you owe

947
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 1: it to yourself to look at these. It's it's it

948
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:50,239
Speaker 1: looks a little bit like a Star Trek episode set

949
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:55,360
Speaker 1: in the Old West, like that level of production value. Um,

950
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:58,319
Speaker 1: so yeah, thank you Karl May. Yeah, I'm really proud

951
00:50:58,360 --> 00:50:59,839
Speaker 1: of him. This is why we will say, like, if

952
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:02,840
Speaker 1: passionate about something like and obviously Karl May was passionate

953
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:06,000
Speaker 1: about lying to people and fraud, like it didn't even

954
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:08,360
Speaker 1: matter what he was lying about, like and he but

955
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:11,320
Speaker 1: he dedicate his whole life to just being a liar.

956
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:14,480
Speaker 1: And I can't I can't knock somebody lying was his passion.

957
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:18,399
Speaker 1: You have to respect that much consistency. Like if someone

958
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 1: just tells a few petty lies to get out of problems,

959
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:25,920
Speaker 1: that's not respectable. But if you lie your entire life,

960
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 1: even after you no longer need to, for no reason

961
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:33,799
Speaker 1: other than the art of telling you whatever he was

962
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 1: going to do it was going to be not just

963
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:39,879
Speaker 1: a lie, but like the boldest lie, like very fantastical.

964
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:43,680
Speaker 1: It's not even gonna sound real because like most liars

965
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:45,880
Speaker 1: who might might have been like, oh, I traveled to

966
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:47,719
Speaker 1: America as a young man, and I met this guy

967
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:49,719
Speaker 1: and he told me his stories and that's what these

968
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:51,920
Speaker 1: books are based on. But like Karla is like, no,

969
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:55,760
Speaker 1: I'm him, I'm the punch master who can't be beaten.

970
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:58,280
Speaker 1: But it wasn't. He never wanted to be him until

971
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:00,360
Speaker 1: he blew up and then he was like, wait a minute,

972
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:06,400
Speaker 1: it was me the whole time. I gotta say, like

973
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:08,600
Speaker 1: people talk about how J. K Rowling has kind of

974
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 1: gone a little bit a little bit wacky and in

975
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:13,400
Speaker 1: her fame and like all the new stuff she releases

976
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:16,400
Speaker 1: about her characters and whatnot in her social media presence,

977
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:19,360
Speaker 1: but like she's got nothing on Carl May's game, No,

978
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:22,359
Speaker 1: because she never is like I am Harry, I am

979
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 1: Harry Potter and this ship's all real. I used to

980
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:28,160
Speaker 1: run through the platform. Y'all never read the platform before.

981
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:32,879
Speaker 1: Just give it a shot. God, and everyone's dead. Oh man,

982
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:36,480
Speaker 1: Carl May you know big ups. I wish that I

983
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 1: had known him back in the day. Like also, I

984
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:40,520
Speaker 1: kind of wish that I had lived in that time,

985
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:43,000
Speaker 1: like when like think about now how hard you have

986
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:45,719
Speaker 1: to work to scam people. Like back then you could

987
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:48,880
Speaker 1: really just say anything. Yeah, no one's googling you. You

988
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:50,920
Speaker 1: just go to the town over and it's like a

989
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:55,959
Speaker 1: new planet. Like I'm a doctor. They're probably not even

990
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 1: that far apart. It's like it's like probably five miles away.

991
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:02,839
Speaker 1: You think that guy is really a doctor, I don't

992
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:04,799
Speaker 1: know a man he was born ten miles away. There's

993
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:08,319
Speaker 1: no way we can check up there, there's no backtracking.

994
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:10,520
Speaker 1: We just go like, he got the outfit all he

995
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:13,799
Speaker 1: got that coat. Who has a white coat and isn't

996
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:16,160
Speaker 1: a doctor? He's got a bag with a medicine sign

997
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:23,839
Speaker 1: on it. Yeah, that's all you needed was an imagination. Man,

998
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:26,520
Speaker 1: Millennials would have done great in that time period. We

999
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 1: have such great imagination. But maybe it'll come back. Maybe

1000
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:31,799
Speaker 1: this whole internet thing will collapse and it'll be like

1001
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:35,680
Speaker 1: a whole world of Carl Mays. That's my dream, that's

1002
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:41,240
Speaker 1: everyone's dream. Now. Yeah, alright, well that's our podcast for today. Lacy,

1003
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:44,600
Speaker 1: you got anything you wanna you wanna plug drop in here? Oh, sure.

1004
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:47,560
Speaker 1: You can follow me on Instagram if I ever get

1005
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:50,680
Speaker 1: my phone back at a Diva Lacey d v l

1006
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:53,399
Speaker 1: A c. My Instagram stars are basically Karl May. It's

1007
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:58,279
Speaker 1: just me creating fantastical frauds. Actually fried my way into

1008
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:01,320
Speaker 1: All Star Weekends this year without a ticket. Oh nice.

1009
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:04,319
Speaker 1: I was reading some Karl mad books. I was like

1010
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:07,920
Speaker 1: how I was like, this is my destiny. Yeah. So,

1011
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:10,400
Speaker 1: thank you so much, Carl. You've changed my life forever.

1012
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:13,800
Speaker 1: All right, thank you Lazy. I'm Robert Evans. Please remember

1013
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:16,040
Speaker 1: to rate and review us on Apple Podcasts. You can

1014
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:20,200
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1015
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:24,000
Speaker 1: Bastard's Pod, and you can find us on the worldwide

1016
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:26,880
Speaker 1: Web at behind the Bastards dot com. That's all for

1017
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:38,400
Speaker 1: this week, uh sia