1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 1: Coming up next, our final News round Up and Information 2 00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:07,200 Speaker 1: Overload hour. All Right, News round Up, Information Overload Hour 3 00:00:07,240 --> 00:00:09,680 Speaker 1: eight hundred and nine for one, Shawn is our number. 4 00:00:09,720 --> 00:00:13,360 Speaker 1: We're gonna get reaction to Robie Wade being overturn today. 5 00:00:13,400 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 1: We'll get it from Professor Alan Dershowitz and Greg Jarrow 6 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:20,640 Speaker 1: will join us. First, let me play the medium mob 7 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:23,119 Speaker 1: reaction to this. And by the way, they're just not 8 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:26,840 Speaker 1: telling people the truth. They're not telling people abortion has 9 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 1: not been outlawed. States will now decide individually what their restrictions, 10 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:36,280 Speaker 1: if any, will be on abortion. Some states will be 11 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 1: very liberal. They'll allow abortion up until the moment of birth, 12 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:42,880 Speaker 1: as we have been discussing and arguing for a long 13 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:46,199 Speaker 1: time now. Other states will have restrictions. Some states may 14 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:48,840 Speaker 1: not allow it at all. Time will tell anyway, here's 15 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 1: the media reaction. Yeah, it's listen. It's a heartbreaking, the 16 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:54,640 Speaker 1: trail of half of the country, so I'm getting, you know, 17 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 1: watching the women there, it's emotional. It's a real problem. 18 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 1: People are talking about privacy issues. You know, can states 19 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 1: who are trying to criminalize abortion, not just of the 20 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:08,640 Speaker 1: women getting them, but if doctors providing them, of people 21 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:11,200 Speaker 1: driving them to the clinic. Are they going to be 22 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 1: able to search your apps? You know there's apps that 23 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 1: track menstrual cycles. You know, how far are these states 24 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:20,160 Speaker 1: going to try to go? We are here not because 25 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 1: of law, but because of politics. This is a six 26 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 1: to three conservative supermajority that has overruled a right that's 27 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 1: been in place for almost fifty years. What we have 28 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 1: here is a naked political grab because they can, because 29 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 1: they have the numbers to do so. All right, Joining 30 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 1: us now? Greg Jarrett, Fox News contributor, author of two 31 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 1: number one best selling books. He hosts his own podcast, 32 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 1: The Brief. Professor Alan Dershowitz, attorney and former I Guess 33 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 1: I Guess Professor emeritus at Harvard University had I don't 34 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:54,960 Speaker 1: think they'd ever take me at Harvard, Professor. I don't 35 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 1: know why. I just you know, I don't think I qualify. 36 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 1: I would take you in a minute. I would love 37 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:03,000 Speaker 1: to him in my class that you know what, I 38 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 1: would love to go just because I find you so 39 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:08,960 Speaker 1: fascinating and we've become good friends. Have to be the 40 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 1: devil's advocate. You would be the devil notified in my class. 41 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 1: I could argue with you the way with Ted Cruz 42 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:17,560 Speaker 1: when he was in my class. By the way, you 43 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 1: have said that, you said Ted Cruz was one of 44 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 1: your best students ever. Yeah, he was because he made 45 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 1: every argument that the students hated. And if he hadn't 46 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 1: been a class I would have to make those arguments, 47 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 1: but he made them more authentically from the heart. So 48 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:35,400 Speaker 1: I loved having him as a student. He was one 49 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:37,240 Speaker 1: of my favorite students, in one of my very best. 50 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 1: All right, last question before we move on to today's 51 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 1: Supreme Court decision. Were you a tough Are you a 52 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:47,160 Speaker 1: tough grader? Or are you as an a really hard 53 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 1: to get in your class? Very hard to get? I'm 54 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 1: a very tough Gad what a crest? Did you tell us? 55 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 1: What did Ted Cruet? I know what he got, but 56 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 1: I can't tell you. I'm not allowed right to privacy. 57 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:00,920 Speaker 1: Here we go, right, will your men? Men? Yeah? All right, 58 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 1: let's we have two decisions back to back, and the 59 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 1: way I look at a professor will start with you, Greg. 60 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:10,240 Speaker 1: We're not ignoring our promise. And we had the Supreme 61 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:14,359 Speaker 1: Court decision on the New York gun law yesterday, and 62 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 1: now we have the Supreme Court decision on overturning road today. Now, 63 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:21,640 Speaker 1: the way I see a professor in I think you're 64 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 1: going to disagree with you, maybe that's fine, is that 65 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 1: we have an enumerated right in our constitution. It's the 66 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 1: Second Amendment. The right of the people to keep and 67 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 1: bear armshall not be infringe. Last night you talked about 68 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 1: a well regulated militia, and I pointed out that our 69 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 1: own government at the time to find that as the 70 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 1: whole of people, meaning every individual. But but that's an enumerated, 71 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 1: specific right spelled out in the Constitution as it relates 72 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 1: to abortion. And even Ruth Bader Ginsburg recognize the fallacy 73 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 1: of Roe v. Wade on numerous occasions, not quite saying 74 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:02,720 Speaker 1: it bad law, but saying she had problems with it. 75 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 1: Is that it is not an enumerated right in the Constitution. 76 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 1: It was an inferred right or right made up by 77 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 1: Supreme Court justices in the nineteen seventy three And then 78 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:17,480 Speaker 1: I would argue constitutionally, if we're going to be purest here, 79 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 1: that at that point the Constitution does provide the outlet 80 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 1: for such decisions to be made, and that would be 81 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:27,480 Speaker 1: the ninth and tenth Amendment. No, you're right, the two 82 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:30,600 Speaker 1: decisions on the surface look like they go in opposite direction. 83 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 1: The gun decision says states do not have the right 84 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 1: to regulate guns, and the abortion decision says states do 85 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:41,600 Speaker 1: have the right to regulate indeed, band abortions. But you're right. 86 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 1: One of them is based on the Second Amendment. The 87 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:47,520 Speaker 1: gun although the Second Amendment is a little ambiguous. It 88 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:50,040 Speaker 1: doesn't just say the right of the people to bear 89 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 1: arms shall not be in friends. It comes to that 90 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 1: a will regulating militia. And the abortion case, a little 91 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:57,840 Speaker 1: abortion does not mention neither his birth control. But the 92 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:00,359 Speaker 1: right of privacy is implicit in the Fourth Amendment. It 93 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 1: says the right of the people to be secure in 94 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:06,159 Speaker 1: their bodies. But the difference is that abortion is a 95 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:09,160 Speaker 1: conflict of rights. You have the right of the fetis. Obviously, 96 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:11,360 Speaker 1: a fetis is not an appendix. It's a real thing. 97 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 1: It's a potential person versus the right of the woman, 98 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 1: whereas in gun control, I don't think you have the 99 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 1: same kind of conflicting rights. But look, the Supreme Court 100 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 1: made its decision. It's the law of the land. And 101 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 1: now people who want to grant women the right to 102 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:32,159 Speaker 1: have reasonable abortions during a reasonable time the pregnancy have 103 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:34,719 Speaker 1: to opt the legislation. They have to go democratic. I 104 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:36,800 Speaker 1: don't mean democratic with the big D with the small DY. 105 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:39,480 Speaker 1: They have to use democracy to try to win and 106 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:44,159 Speaker 1: prevail in legislatures. That's what. Would anything prevent people from 107 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 1: crossing over state lines? For example, if a state has 108 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 1: more restrictive laws on abortion, would anything prevent them from 109 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 1: going to New Mexico, California, New York, or New Jersey? Professor, 110 00:05:57,400 --> 00:05:59,720 Speaker 1: I don't think so. There will be some states that 111 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:02,839 Speaker 1: will try to pass statute saying you can't cross state 112 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 1: lines for purposes of getting an abortion that will be 113 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 1: held unconstitutional even by this court. I agree with you. 114 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 1: Let's freedom to travel allows people to cross state lines. 115 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:16,840 Speaker 1: People do it all the time. With guns. Buy guns. Now, 116 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 1: they can prevent you from bringing it into the state, 117 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 1: but they can't prevent you from going to a different 118 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:25,920 Speaker 1: state then buying a gun which may have less restrictive ownership. 119 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:29,359 Speaker 1: So I think we're in the middle of a changing 120 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 1: world on abortion. Does not I agree with you, but 121 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:36,720 Speaker 1: I think the American people will will figure out by 122 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 1: election day that abortion is still legal in America. Greg Jarrett, 123 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 1: in spite of all the hype and hyperbole and demagoguery 124 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:48,360 Speaker 1: going on. Yeah, the predictable anger and hysteria is overwrought. 125 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 1: As you point out, sean abortion is not now outlawed nationwide. 126 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 1: In some states abortion will be permitted with few or 127 00:06:56,480 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 1: no restrictions elsewhere. The opposite. A, citizens dislike the rules 128 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:05,680 Speaker 1: in their respective states, they're free to change them by 129 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:09,479 Speaker 1: voicing their discontent at the ballot box. They can elect 130 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 1: new representative. That is how democracy functions in a constitutional republic. 131 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 1: But looking purely at the Constitution as a lawyer, today's 132 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 1: abortion reversal restores constitutional principles. For forty nine years, the 133 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 1: Supreme Court has struggled to justify its decision and roversus way, 134 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 1: and it was frankly, it was difficult to defend the 135 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 1: indefenseful end. As you point out, the late Ruth Bader 136 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 1: Ginsburg expressed serious misgivings because nowhere in the text, or 137 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 1: the structure or the meaning of the Constitution can a 138 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 1: privacy right to abortion be found. It's neither explicit nor 139 00:07:55,000 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 1: implicit in row the justices, I believe simply in edit 140 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 1: a right that does not exist. This was a regrettable 141 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 1: mistake and in the Dobb's case. Today, the Spring Court courageously, 142 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 1: I think, in the face of threats and intimidation, decided 143 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:19,320 Speaker 1: to reverse the wrongful ruling handed down back. Then let 144 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 1: me ask the question of Jarrett, does that mean that 145 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:27,239 Speaker 1: you believe that states could totally ban birth control? Because 146 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 1: there's no mention of birth control in the Constitution. It's 147 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 1: only implicit in the right of privacy, and there's no 148 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:34,960 Speaker 1: featus involved. There's just nobody has the right to be 149 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:38,320 Speaker 1: conceived and be born. Do you think this opinion means 150 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:41,320 Speaker 1: that a state could ban birth control the way Connecticut 151 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:43,600 Speaker 1: tried to do now when I was a young married 152 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:47,320 Speaker 1: man in New Haven and they and Griswold versus Connecticut 153 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 1: was decided based on privacy, which gave married couples the 154 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 1: right to use birth control. To its credit, the majority 155 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 1: opinion foreclosed that legitimate concern, Professor, that you're expressing concerns 156 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 1: of many that fear the opinion will impact other valued rights. 157 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 1: That justices made it very clear in their language that 158 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 1: this ruling applies only to abortion. Nothing in the decision, 159 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 1: they said, affects other rights such as contraception and same 160 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 1: sex marriage. Justine Tome apherently different rights derived from and 161 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:26,440 Speaker 1: protected by the Constitution. But Justice Thomas says it does 162 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 1: involve those rights and your interpretation of the opinion, but 163 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:33,960 Speaker 1: he's the sole person that said that. There. If you 164 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:36,679 Speaker 1: look at Aldo's opinion and you look at the comments 165 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:42,080 Speaker 1: at Kavanaugh, they contradict that. There's no question Kavanaugh and 166 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:44,920 Speaker 1: and and the Chief Justice conflict that the opinion itself, 167 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 1: the opinion of Ledo is a little ambiguous. But look, 168 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:50,800 Speaker 1: that's the fight we're going to have. There's no question 169 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 1: that birth control laws are going to be challenged, misgenation 170 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:57,199 Speaker 1: laws are going to be challenged, gave rights laws are 171 00:09:57,200 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 1: going to be challenged. They're all going to be challenged. 172 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:00,960 Speaker 1: But I think I agree with you. I think the 173 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 1: Supreme Court will stop, Professor, if I may. They've explicitly 174 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:13,560 Speaker 1: said that this decision does not do not make the 175 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:18,320 Speaker 1: interpretation this will be a precedent for these other cases. 176 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:21,319 Speaker 1: I think they were signaling very strongly that that is 177 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:23,679 Speaker 1: not the case. Did you not interpret it that way? No, 178 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:26,199 Speaker 1: I interpret it that way. It said this decision didn't 179 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 1: do that. But you're going to get people who say 180 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 1: that the underlying approach that says you have to have 181 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 1: an explicit right addressed in the Constitution will be seen 182 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:40,040 Speaker 1: by litigans and by some lower courts to raise questions 183 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:42,080 Speaker 1: about some of these other rights. I think the Supreme 184 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:43,840 Speaker 1: Court will stick by its cousin. I think it's a 185 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:48,440 Speaker 1: big difference. Abortion involves a victim. The fetus is not 186 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 1: an appendix. It's a real potential light. Whereas gay marriage, 187 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:57,280 Speaker 1: nobody's damned business. Who marries who, somebody's damned business. If 188 00:10:57,280 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 1: a black man marries a white woman, nobody's If anybody 189 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:04,720 Speaker 1: uses birth control, there's no countervailing right, whereas an abortion 190 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 1: there is a countervailing right of the featus. So I 191 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 1: think that's the distinction, Professor, I agree with everything you 192 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:14,200 Speaker 1: just said it. I'm pretty certain Great Garrett does as well. Right. True, Yeah, 193 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:18,120 Speaker 1: I hundred percent, even though I think the professor where 194 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:20,199 Speaker 1: his student, would probably give me a seer or a 195 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:23,840 Speaker 1: deep but by the way, I'd probably get enough. Don't 196 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:26,200 Speaker 1: worry about it. I think it took courage for the 197 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:29,600 Speaker 1: members of the Court to stand firm in the threat, 198 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:33,880 Speaker 1: in the face of threatened violence, the harassment that escalated. 199 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 1: I'm disappointed the Attorney General Merrick Garland took no action 200 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:40,960 Speaker 1: to enforce the law that makes it a crime to 201 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:46,360 Speaker 1: obstruct an ongoing judicial proceeding. This was an unlawful attempt 202 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 1: by protesters to try to unduly influence with intimidation the 203 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 1: forthcoming decision. And I think I think it's we all 204 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:59,559 Speaker 1: better be concerned, because you know, there are groups out 205 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:03,720 Speaker 1: there like Jane's Revenge that are pledging unrest and what 206 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:06,839 Speaker 1: sounds like more when you read what they're they've been 207 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 1: sending out, and different flyers that have been all over Washington, DC, 208 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:14,360 Speaker 1: and you see, you know, we've had big crowds at 209 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court all day, right and the flame rules 210 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 1: has to apply to right wing demonstrations. Left agree, you 211 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 1: can't really agree for what happened in January sixth and 212 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:26,880 Speaker 1: a rule that would happen if God for the GIA. 213 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:30,080 Speaker 1: Professor I condemned it in real time on this program, 214 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:32,959 Speaker 1: as you know, I just remember, and I said it 215 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:35,840 Speaker 1: that night on a TV. What I don't understand is 216 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 1: why we ignored the five hundred and seventy four riots 217 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 1: in the summer of twenty twenty that the media and 218 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 1: the left told us were mostly peaceful and thousands of 219 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:46,599 Speaker 1: cops injured billions of property damage and a couple of 220 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:49,960 Speaker 1: dozen dead Americans in that process. I've said the same thing. 221 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:53,080 Speaker 1: You and I completely agree on that one standard rule. 222 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:57,840 Speaker 1: The First Amendment doesn't recognize whether you agree or disagree 223 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 1: with what people are protesting. The same stand right and left, Conservatives, liberals, 224 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:05,680 Speaker 1: democrast republican. Oh, I agree with you on that part. 225 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 1: All right, quick break, we'll come back more with Professor 226 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:10,839 Speaker 1: Alan Dershowitz and Greg Jarrett on the other side. Then 227 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:12,840 Speaker 1: we'll get to your calls. Eight hundred and nine for one, 228 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 1: Sean our number if you want to be a part 229 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:25,600 Speaker 1: of the program to coast. Sean is on the radio 230 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 1: right now. All right, we continue our analysis Rovie Wade 231 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:38,720 Speaker 1: Overturn today. We continue with Professor Alan Dershowitz and Greg 232 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 1: Jarrett with us for analysis. Let me ask you from 233 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:46,079 Speaker 1: an intellectual honesty part, and I also believe, first of all, 234 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:49,280 Speaker 1: you're not a real rigid ideologue. I see almost more 235 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:55,080 Speaker 1: as libertarian in a way. Isn't it better, um that 236 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:58,680 Speaker 1: in the sense that the states now get to decide this. 237 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:01,199 Speaker 1: Isn't there a part of you that says, you know what, 238 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:05,600 Speaker 1: the federal government has really no business if we believe 239 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 1: in the concept of federalism involving itself in a broad 240 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:13,480 Speaker 1: sweeping decision like this, that it really should be up 241 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 1: to the states. Is there are part of you that 242 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:17,719 Speaker 1: believes that there definitely is, And I said it back 243 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy three. I do think that when you've 244 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 1: had a decision it's been on the books for fifty years, 245 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 1: you should wait till it's absolutely imperative to decide the case. 246 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:31,480 Speaker 1: This case wasn't that case. In this case, the only 247 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:35,200 Speaker 1: real issue is whether the fifteen weeks of Mississippi was constitutional. 248 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 1: Of court did not have to reach out in noble 249 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:39,480 Speaker 1: rule or versus wait in this opinion. It would have 250 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:42,000 Speaker 1: done it in another opinion a year from now or 251 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 1: two years from now. It just moved a little bit 252 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:48,360 Speaker 1: too quickly. And I do think that this decision here 253 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:50,400 Speaker 1: you may disagree with me, is going to help the 254 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:53,440 Speaker 1: Democrats at the polls. I think people who are on 255 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 1: the line on the fence, who have daughters and nieces 256 00:14:56,480 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 1: and granddaughters who might want to have abortions in states 257 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 1: where they would otherwise vote Republicans Mike, vote Democrat if 258 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:06,360 Speaker 1: they think that the Democrats will give their grandchildren the 259 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 1: right to have an abortion in the first seven weeks 260 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 1: or eight weeks. So I don't know, it's unpredictable, but 261 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:16,240 Speaker 1: it conceivably could. I think the high cost of gasoline 262 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:18,640 Speaker 1: and implation they're going to also play a big impact. 263 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:21,440 Speaker 1: And once people find out, oh, abortion is still legal 264 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 1: in America, I think they'll realize whatever the hyperbolean demagoguery 265 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 1: comes out of the left mouth and the days and 266 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 1: weeks ahead won't be as relevant in November. If that's 267 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 1: my guest, we'll see professor. Thank you, Greg Jarrett, Thank you. 268 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:39,000 Speaker 1: Love having you both on the program. As always, quick break, 269 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:43,040 Speaker 1: right back, your calls on the other side, straight ahead. Hey, 270 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 1: there's still a lot more ahead on the best of 271 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 1: the Sean Hannity Show. Stay tuned for more right afternows 272 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 1: on this station. Right News Roundup and Information Overload Hour 273 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 1: eight hundred and nine four one, Shawn our number if 274 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 1: you want to be a part of the program. So 275 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:05,880 Speaker 1: with the biggest month ever in history in terms of 276 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 1: illegal immigrants crossing into the country illegally, but remember they 277 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 1: get preferential treatment. There's no there's no background check. Uh, 278 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:19,960 Speaker 1: there's there's no COVID testing. There's no vaccine mandate. You 279 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 1: get a free Biden phone and free transportation on a 280 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 1: chartered aircraft to one of the forty eight states in 281 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 1: the continental US. Anyway, Greg Abbott, after the death of 282 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:35,560 Speaker 1: these fifty three migrants in the back of this eighteen wheeler, 283 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:40,000 Speaker 1: said Joe Biden has blood on his hands. And he 284 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 1: also said they're dying. People are dying because Biden doesn't 285 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:46,680 Speaker 1: enforce the laws. Here's what he said. Every year, there 286 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:50,200 Speaker 1: are many reports about migrass who lose their lives in 287 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:54,280 Speaker 1: the heat. I was visiting with the sheriff moments ago 288 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 1: and he was telling me the reports about how there 289 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:02,080 Speaker 1: have been multiple people in the past week who had 290 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 1: lost their lives, mostly from heat exhaustion. There may have 291 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:09,520 Speaker 1: been in addition to that, one or two who lost 292 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:13,480 Speaker 1: their lives in the river. This is harsh terrain and 293 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:18,679 Speaker 1: harsh weather. And because of the way the Divide administration 294 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:22,800 Speaker 1: is not enforcing the immigration laws, that's attracting people and 295 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 1: enticing people to make this very dangerous trek, causing them 296 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:34,400 Speaker 1: to lose the lives. Or urge the president stop the 297 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 1: loss of lives. You have the ability to stop people 298 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:40,520 Speaker 1: from losing the lives if you make it clear that 299 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 1: no one could come across illegally. There's a perfectly legal 300 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 1: way that people can immigrate to the United States of America. 301 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:50,800 Speaker 1: So what does our borders are do? Does she step 302 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:55,200 Speaker 1: up take responsibility beyond going to Latin America to deal 303 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:59,040 Speaker 1: with the root causes of illegal immigration, as she calls it. No, 304 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:03,399 Speaker 1: she lashes out at Governor Abbott for pointing out the obvious. 305 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:06,639 Speaker 1: She didn't lash out at the Mexican president, but pretty 306 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:09,720 Speaker 1: much Abbott and the Mexican President said the same thing. 307 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:14,919 Speaker 1: So she just lashes out at Governor Abbot. Listen, really 308 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:19,679 Speaker 1: highlights part of the problem because his response with our 309 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:22,359 Speaker 1: fifty dead bodies in his state is to go straight 310 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:26,400 Speaker 1: to politics instead of dealing with the realities of the issue. 311 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:29,480 Speaker 1: We also need to take seriously the fact that we 312 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:34,200 Speaker 1: have a broken immigration system that was decimated by the 313 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:38,400 Speaker 1: last administration, and we've been trying to and we are 314 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 1: on the path doing it to fix that broken system. 315 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:44,560 Speaker 1: How could she say any of that with a straight face? 316 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:49,600 Speaker 1: Are giggling at all inappropriate moments? Vice President? I mean, 317 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:53,320 Speaker 1: it's insane. We had stay in Mexico that policy was 318 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:57,120 Speaker 1: in place. President Trump built the border wall, some five 319 00:18:57,240 --> 00:19:01,679 Speaker 1: hundred plus miles of it. We ended the insanity of 320 00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:04,920 Speaker 1: catch and release. Now Joe Biden and she had both 321 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:08,360 Speaker 1: doubled down on process and release. They're releasing anybody into 322 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 1: the country. It's pretty unbelievable. And she hasn't lifted a 323 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:14,879 Speaker 1: finger to fix the problem at the border. And what 324 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:17,400 Speaker 1: she says about Governor Abbot's just a lie. He's down 325 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 1: there almost, you know, on a weekly basis at a minimum. 326 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 1: Mark Morgan, former acting CBP Commissioner, Heritage visiting fellow. Tom Holman, 327 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:31,879 Speaker 1: former acting ICE Director, also a Heritage visiting fellow. Welcome 328 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 1: both of you back to the program. Mark Morgan, I'll 329 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:39,119 Speaker 1: ask you, uh, you know they're blaming Donald Trump, and 330 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:42,439 Speaker 1: Donald Trump had the border under control. Donald, you know, 331 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:44,680 Speaker 1: let's stay in Mexico policy. This goes to the heart 332 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 1: of the Supreme Court case today that that was the 333 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:51,960 Speaker 1: one big case that that didn't go our way, that 334 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:56,680 Speaker 1: policy worked wonders during the Trump administration, Sean, everything you said, 335 00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:59,160 Speaker 1: I couldn't have said better myself. You're spot on book. 336 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:02,639 Speaker 1: I'll steal Tom Holman's line. With this administration, haird the 337 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 1: most secure border in our lifetime and they intentionally unsecured 338 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:09,439 Speaker 1: the border. It's not real complicated. If you have a 339 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:13,320 Speaker 1: system of deterrence and consequences, they're going to stop illegal immigration, 340 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:16,600 Speaker 1: You are going to stop depth in destruction. By February 341 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:19,959 Speaker 1: of twenty twenty, we had reduced illegal immigration by eighty 342 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:23,320 Speaker 1: five percent. Think about that. That's Look, we're just talking 343 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 1: about the fifty three, the tractor trailer incident, the worst 344 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 1: single smuggling incident in our history. But look, John, we 345 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:33,400 Speaker 1: haven't even talked about the seven hundred plus dead migrants 346 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:36,879 Speaker 1: that have been recovered at our border, the thousands untold 347 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:39,919 Speaker 1: numbers that have become victims of trafficking, and those that 348 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:42,440 Speaker 1: have been victimized on their journey up here. Those are 349 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:46,919 Speaker 1: also untold numbers. That everything that this president and that 350 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:49,480 Speaker 1: the Secretary of Minericas and Vice President has just been 351 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:52,919 Speaker 1: saying is an absolute abject lie. And the last thing 352 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:56,040 Speaker 1: gonna say, Sean, when is enough and duct when how 353 00:20:56,040 --> 00:21:00,960 Speaker 1: many more Americans and migrants have to die before we 354 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:04,520 Speaker 1: say we must secure border and save live dover Habit 355 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:07,960 Speaker 1: is right. The blood of the fifty three human beings 356 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:10,879 Speaker 1: are on the hands of Secretary of America at President Biden, 357 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:14,960 Speaker 1: Tom Homer, we'll get your take. Well, look, I agree 358 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:17,320 Speaker 1: with everything Mark said, but she makes a statement that 359 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:20,800 Speaker 1: the immigration system's broken. They broke it, and I'm six 360 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 1: and tired of The secretary goes on TV. Well, you know, 361 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 1: the fire ministration dismantled the system. No, the private administration 362 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:30,879 Speaker 1: developed this system that gave us an eighty five percent 363 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:34,679 Speaker 1: decrease at the immigration at a forty year low, and 364 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 1: we come to these deaths. I got argue a reporter yesterday, 365 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:40,600 Speaker 1: the moron. He says, well, we had tractor treor deaths 366 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:43,480 Speaker 1: during the Bush administration. With mister Homer, because you're the 367 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:46,360 Speaker 1: one investigated that, you're not even talking about it. I said, well, 368 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:49,400 Speaker 1: here's some difference under the last te years of Trump administration, 369 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:53,400 Speaker 1: when he successfully got immigration down at eighty five percent. 370 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:56,679 Speaker 1: Do the map if we took eighty five send the 371 00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 1: cars off the highway, would we less have less highway death? 372 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 1: Of course, I says, And doctor Border says, thirty one 373 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:06,359 Speaker 1: percent of women make their journey get sexually spoke by 374 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:09,600 Speaker 1: the cartels. What any immigration that a forty year of low. 375 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:13,360 Speaker 1: When it's down any five percent, less people come, less 376 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:16,200 Speaker 1: people put themselves in hands of criminal cartels who don't 377 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:19,080 Speaker 1: give a damn about them, so more people die. This 378 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:22,119 Speaker 1: administration broke a lot of records. As Mark said, they 379 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:24,520 Speaker 1: got the record of migrant death under Joe Biden. Tell 380 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:27,440 Speaker 1: me that's you, Maine. They got the record on illig immigration, 381 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:30,600 Speaker 1: They got the record on Americans dying of overdose death, 382 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:33,919 Speaker 1: and they got the record a few days ago. This 383 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:36,480 Speaker 1: is the most tragic incident of migrant deaths in the 384 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:39,760 Speaker 1: history of this nation. This administration failed. The only one 385 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:43,040 Speaker 1: that dismantled the system is a Biden administration. He does 386 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:45,280 Speaker 1: have blood on the sands. These people would not have 387 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:48,080 Speaker 1: crossed on the last two years of Donald Trump because 388 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:52,439 Speaker 1: Emma Grace was sold low. We detain people, we remove people. 389 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:55,160 Speaker 1: There wasn't catch your release. When you make the promise 390 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:58,240 Speaker 1: across their border, you won't be detained, and I just 391 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:01,400 Speaker 1: can't arrest you because it's just simple here illegally, the 392 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:04,360 Speaker 1: most vulnerable people in the world are going to kick 393 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:07,520 Speaker 1: that risk and they get doing our present Trump. What 394 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:10,560 Speaker 1: do we know about this new caravan that has formed, 395 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:16,040 Speaker 1: We're told or reports the largest caravan to date. Mark Morgan, Yeah, look, 396 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:17,879 Speaker 1: this is something Tom and I and others Son have 397 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,640 Speaker 1: been talking about. This is very predictable. We know all 398 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:23,440 Speaker 1: the players. It's the same organizers that have been there 399 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:26,200 Speaker 1: in the past. Now they feel more empowered and more 400 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 1: more emboldened than ever. And this latest Supreme Court decision 401 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:32,440 Speaker 1: that says now the administration can absolutely get rid of 402 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:36,320 Speaker 1: the pile of forty two, it's just another message among many. 403 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:38,960 Speaker 1: It's not the only one, but it's one message among 404 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:41,680 Speaker 1: many that right now sends a message to the entire 405 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:44,119 Speaker 1: world John that if you come to our borders, you 406 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:48,359 Speaker 1: enter illegally, there will be no consequences. In fact, we 407 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:51,720 Speaker 1: will help facilitate your entry, and we will reward you 408 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:54,960 Speaker 1: from illegally entering. And it goes back to what Tom said, 409 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:57,720 Speaker 1: think about it. Who's not gonna come? I mean, it's 410 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:02,240 Speaker 1: it's not complicated. If there's no deterrence, they're going to come. 411 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 1: At Secretary of Moerkashan, I know you and I've talked 412 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:08,040 Speaker 1: about this before. His one of his taglines is that 413 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:11,760 Speaker 1: they're developed a safe, orderly, in humane system. It's a crop. 414 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:15,600 Speaker 1: It's an absolute lie. There's no such thing as a safe, ordering, 415 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:20,520 Speaker 1: humane illegal immigration process. It's an oxymoron. And he knows it. 416 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:24,359 Speaker 1: And this caravan that's forming multiple caravans, it's just another 417 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:27,639 Speaker 1: indication of how the tsunami is going to continue to come. 418 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:30,960 Speaker 1: Migrants are going to continue to literally risk and lose 419 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:35,280 Speaker 1: their lives because this administration policies and they're ruling out 420 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:38,680 Speaker 1: to welcome to the entire world. And we may not 421 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:42,560 Speaker 1: see the full consequences of open borders for maybe even 422 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:46,840 Speaker 1: years to come. We know that we have had encounters 423 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:51,359 Speaker 1: with people that have radical associations, and you know, to me, 424 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 1: Tom Holman, that's very simple. I support legal immigration. I 425 00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:58,040 Speaker 1: don't really care where country you come from, just do 426 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:01,320 Speaker 1: it legally, work within the system. Then you have to 427 00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:03,639 Speaker 1: have a background check to make sure you don't have 428 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:07,080 Speaker 1: radical associations in the middle of a pandemic. I think 429 00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 1: you need a health check that would mean yes, you 430 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:13,880 Speaker 1: need to be tested for COVID, etc. Then I would 431 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:16,520 Speaker 1: also say that you have to prove your ability to 432 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:18,840 Speaker 1: take care of yourself, that you won't be a financial 433 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,920 Speaker 1: burden of the American people. To me, all of those 434 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:24,560 Speaker 1: things are common sense. None of those things are happening. 435 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 1: And then you add to this, you know, preferential treatment 436 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:31,119 Speaker 1: with free phones and free transportation. Most Americans, they're not 437 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:34,480 Speaker 1: getting free phones, they're not getting free transportation. Everything you 438 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:37,000 Speaker 1: just said was in President Trump's immigration plan to the 439 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 1: centers and for two years and supportments. But everything you 440 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:45,320 Speaker 1: said was in his plan. Me and market house we've 441 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:47,879 Speaker 1: worked on that plan, so it makes perfect sense. But 442 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:51,080 Speaker 1: here's here's something important that no one's talking about. I 443 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:53,800 Speaker 1: want your listeners and understand it. Why do President Trump 444 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:56,760 Speaker 1: to remain a mestical program because he knew two data points? 445 00:25:57,160 --> 00:26:00,240 Speaker 1: Number one data point, the immigration court data says nine 446 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:02,639 Speaker 1: out of ten Central Americans who play my asylum at 447 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,040 Speaker 1: the border never get re leaves from US courts because 448 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:07,800 Speaker 1: either don't show up, they don't qualify. And what happens 449 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:09,800 Speaker 1: that nine out of ten that gets order removed by 450 00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:13,440 Speaker 1: federal judge. According to the Homeland Security Lifestock Report, if 451 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:16,160 Speaker 1: you're an a UAC at nailing child, you leave three 452 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:18,439 Speaker 1: percent at the time. If you're a family unit, you 453 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:20,880 Speaker 1: leave six percent at a time. If you're a single, 454 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:24,120 Speaker 1: don't you leave twenty two percent of time. President Trump said, 455 00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:26,840 Speaker 1: what the hell are we doing? If ninety percent loser case, 456 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:29,640 Speaker 1: they're committing fraud and only three to six percent leave 457 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:31,719 Speaker 1: when they're ordered, why the hell we see doing it? 458 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:36,280 Speaker 1: So these people now that remain metals off the table. 459 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:39,560 Speaker 1: Now ninety percent more people commit fraud. They don't qualify, 460 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:43,439 Speaker 1: they lose their case, and they go nowhere because Ice 461 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:46,000 Speaker 1: is not not even looked for him. Now, so the 462 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:49,040 Speaker 1: three and six percent consider that a good number, because 463 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:51,320 Speaker 1: it's gonna be zero. There's zero percent. Now this is 464 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:53,920 Speaker 1: a part of their plan of open borders, and not 465 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:56,800 Speaker 1: on the open borders, let's stop inter your enforcement so 466 00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:00,800 Speaker 1: they never leave. Well, they're never gonna leave. And I 467 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:03,760 Speaker 1: think Democrats then will hold out something of great value 468 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:07,840 Speaker 1: and hope that in exchange for citizenship, Oh maybe maybe 469 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:10,280 Speaker 1: you'll like us better than these other guys. I do 470 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:13,400 Speaker 1: think there's a political component to it. Historically, I know 471 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:18,399 Speaker 1: there's been Republicans that want cheap labor and Democrats that 472 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:21,760 Speaker 1: want to give amnesty and the hopes that they will 473 00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:25,240 Speaker 1: get votes in return. So everyone's got their own agenda 474 00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:27,639 Speaker 1: to that. Quick break, we'll come back, We'll continue. Eight 475 00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:30,320 Speaker 1: hundred nine one shun is a number more With Tom 476 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:41,560 Speaker 1: Holman and Mark Morgan on this Supreme Court ruling, Americal 477 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:51,879 Speaker 1: listens to Sean right now, all right, we continue with 478 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:57,040 Speaker 1: Mark Morgan, former CBP commissioner and Tom Holman, former acting 479 00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:02,760 Speaker 1: ICE director, based on today's Supreme Court decision well sadly 480 00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:06,960 Speaker 1: not keeping the remain of Mexico policy adopted by Donald Trump. 481 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,720 Speaker 1: I don't care again where you come from, Mark Morgan. 482 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:13,159 Speaker 1: I just want you to do it legally, like my 483 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:17,000 Speaker 1: grandparents did when they came to Elosylon from Ireland at 484 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:20,399 Speaker 1: the turn of the last century. Sean, it's that simple. 485 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:22,520 Speaker 1: Tom and I had discussed one hundred times as well. 486 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:25,520 Speaker 1: We're all for illegal immigration, and look, we're all for 487 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,600 Speaker 1: even having a discussion of how we can improve our 488 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:31,720 Speaker 1: legal immigration system. We're all in. But this is about 489 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,600 Speaker 1: illegal immigration. But Sean, more importantly, I know you know 490 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,919 Speaker 1: this is that this is worst informost about border security 491 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:40,760 Speaker 1: and what a lot of people with this administration continues 492 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,760 Speaker 1: to live American people about is somehow you could support 493 00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:46,479 Speaker 1: and before border security, well, at the same time support 494 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:50,000 Speaker 1: illegal immigration. It doesn't work that way. They're mutually connected, 495 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:53,280 Speaker 1: they're not mutual exclusive. As illegal mcgration goes up, our 496 00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:57,120 Speaker 1: ability secure border goes down. Why because eighty nine percent 497 00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,960 Speaker 1: of our bordertory resources are pulled off their front line 498 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:05,440 Speaker 1: and the fulfilling administrative duties, hospital watch, detention of assignments, 499 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:08,760 Speaker 1: as well as processing what happens. Large areas of border 500 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:12,800 Speaker 1: are wide open, unmonitored, unsecure. What's happened? Drugs areporting killing 501 00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:15,320 Speaker 1: Americans the highest record we ever had. As Tom said, 502 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:19,200 Speaker 1: We've got criminals, murders, rapists, pedophiles, game members that are 503 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:22,520 Speaker 1: pouring in, and a NASA security threat. I mean, how 504 00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:25,200 Speaker 1: much more do we need? I mean, we just I 505 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:27,720 Speaker 1: got more of that. There's an article on the Free 506 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:32,000 Speaker 1: Beacon that says the Homeland Security Department and the State 507 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:36,280 Speaker 1: Department last week amended federal immigration laws to allow foreigners 508 00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:41,320 Speaker 1: who provided insignificant material support to designated terror groups receive 509 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:45,600 Speaker 1: immigration benefits or other status, according to the policy published 510 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:49,640 Speaker 1: in the Federal Register, and examples of these individuals will 511 00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:53,680 Speaker 1: fall into a new category according to the announcement, including 512 00:29:53,760 --> 00:30:00,120 Speaker 1: individuals who provided humanitarian assistance or routine commercial transaction to 513 00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:02,920 Speaker 1: terror groups. And most believe this is part of the 514 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,560 Speaker 1: Iranian negotiation the Biden administration is involved in because they 515 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:10,280 Speaker 1: won't get domestic energy here, so they're begging the Iranians. 516 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:15,120 Speaker 1: That would mean individuals that work for Iran's Islamic Revolutionary 517 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:20,120 Speaker 1: Guard that has killed you know, hundreds of Americans. What 518 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:23,120 Speaker 1: would now have access to our borders? Last word, Tom Holman, 519 00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,960 Speaker 1: exactly right. And look, the Barbados already admitted they rested 520 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:31,360 Speaker 1: fifty people on terroristream database. We got over eight hundred 521 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:35,440 Speaker 1: thousand goataways recorded gataways like camera drown in central traffic, 522 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:38,080 Speaker 1: eight hundred thousand barbatros dressed people. One hundred and sixty 523 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:40,880 Speaker 1: one countries made this country sponsored terrorism. If we don't 524 00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:43,520 Speaker 1: seek a single one the eight hundred thousand goataways came 525 00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:45,520 Speaker 1: here to do us harm at the terrorist, then you're 526 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:47,680 Speaker 1: ignorant of the data. And I'll say one more thing 527 00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:50,160 Speaker 1: that the barber Chois has been pushed so hard to 528 00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:53,880 Speaker 1: process people, releasing quickly because they don't want overcrowding. Nothing 529 00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:58,720 Speaker 1: to see here, no overcrowding. They've even released no selected terists. 530 00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:02,200 Speaker 1: Bill Milousian books at juis slow. They practiced the guide. 531 00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,120 Speaker 1: They couldn't wait for us betting the seers and heard 532 00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:07,040 Speaker 1: you release them two days later, keep hot and they 533 00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:09,080 Speaker 1: had to go find them. How many more cases like that? 534 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:12,280 Speaker 1: So we justes they had betty, they're the release them quicker. 535 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,880 Speaker 1: Didn't they get the betty bag. I appreciate both of you, 536 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:16,960 Speaker 1: thanks for being with us.