WEBVTT - Hunting Ground w/ Emily Kinney 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:04.000 Of the law and Order franchises, SVU is considered especially watchable. 0:00:04.200 --> 0:00:06.800 We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the 0:00:06.840 --> 0:00:07.640 vicious felonies. 0:00:07.680 --> 0:00:11.240 These episodes are based on. These are our stories, done done, 0:00:28.080 --> 0:00:31.120 What's up? I'm gonna say what's up instead? What's up? 0:00:31.480 --> 0:00:33.400 I'm Lisa, Hi, I'm Kara. 0:00:33.560 --> 0:00:36.600 And this is That's Messed Up an SVU podcast. 0:00:37.280 --> 0:00:39.680 Every week we talk about an episode of SVU the 0:00:39.720 --> 0:00:42.080 true crimeate's based on, and then we have a guest 0:00:42.200 --> 0:00:45.680 from the episode. And today is just the same. Oh 0:00:45.720 --> 0:00:47.680 my god, I just looked at my clock and it's 0:00:47.680 --> 0:00:50.040 eleven eleven. This is a good sign for everything. 0:00:50.320 --> 0:00:53.160 Wow, this intro is going to change lives every yain. 0:00:53.960 --> 0:00:54.640 I love it. 0:00:54.840 --> 0:00:59.440 Hey, and we had an eventful week because Real Housewives 0:00:59.480 --> 0:01:00.760 of New York came back. 0:01:01.280 --> 0:01:05.160 Oh my gosh, Yes, we watched together and yeah, the 0:01:05.200 --> 0:01:08.280 girls are back. One third of the cast is sober 0:01:08.360 --> 0:01:10.520 right now, so we'll see where that journey takes us. 0:01:10.959 --> 0:01:13.319 Yeah, I was I too high. I don't remember anything 0:01:13.319 --> 0:01:14.839 except Leah trying to be a jew. 0:01:15.080 --> 0:01:16.720 That was. There was a lot of ad. 0:01:16.720 --> 0:01:19.640 When it was over, you said, they're so cringey, and 0:01:19.680 --> 0:01:21.520 there is just like a lot of cringe in the 0:01:21.560 --> 0:01:24.520 whole episode, like Leah becoming a Jew Number one was 0:01:24.600 --> 0:01:27.280 like wow, like just a cringe home run right out 0:01:27.319 --> 0:01:28.440 of the park first inning. 0:01:28.760 --> 0:01:31.560 No, the moment you said cringe, I imagine Sonya talking 0:01:31.600 --> 0:01:33.480 about the diversity of the Koi fish. 0:01:33.360 --> 0:01:36.560 In her pond, literally to a black woman, was like, 0:01:36.720 --> 0:01:38.240 you want to talk about diversity, Look at all the 0:01:38.240 --> 0:01:39.840 different kind of fish I have in my Koi pond. 0:01:39.880 --> 0:01:43.320 Like I was like, Sonya, no, it's gonna be bad. 0:01:43.360 --> 0:01:45.640 The race stuff's gonna get worse and worse, like I'm 0:01:45.720 --> 0:01:47.680 terrified for what's about to happen. 0:01:48.080 --> 0:01:51.000 Yeah, because I was spinning in my body. I also 0:01:51.400 --> 0:01:53.320 I like the new girl Ebony. There's a new girl 0:01:53.360 --> 0:01:55.520 in Ebani. I like her, but I did not like 0:01:55.560 --> 0:01:57.760 her saying I'm old. And then I googled her age 0:01:57.800 --> 0:02:01.360 and she's thirty seven. I'm like, you're not old like 0:02:01.360 --> 0:02:03.040 like she was. Actually she was too old to have 0:02:03.080 --> 0:02:05.360 a kid. I was like, I know, but. 0:02:05.360 --> 0:02:07.800 You can you can know that you're young and still 0:02:07.840 --> 0:02:10.080 feel old, like I know thirty three is not old, 0:02:10.120 --> 0:02:13.280 but I do feel like, oh no, I feel like 0:02:13.360 --> 0:02:18.399 that TikTok song, like I don't know. Oh no, I do, 0:02:18.560 --> 0:02:20.519 I just don't realize it. I still feel like I'm 0:02:20.560 --> 0:02:23.720 like twenty five. I feel like I'm smarter and lessons, but. 0:02:23.800 --> 0:02:25.120 I always feel like I'm thirty. 0:02:25.400 --> 0:02:27.280 I mean I kind of like, oh wait, I never 0:02:27.280 --> 0:02:28.960 remember how old I am, and I'm like, I'm about 0:02:28.960 --> 0:02:31.000 in my I'm about thirty, I'm in my early thirties, 0:02:31.120 --> 0:02:32.040 like I always think that. 0:02:32.160 --> 0:02:34.280 But alas that ship has sailed. 0:02:34.880 --> 0:02:38.880 Oh and also this happens to you all the time food. 0:02:39.240 --> 0:02:41.720 Whenever we order food, it doesn't come for you. They 0:02:41.800 --> 0:02:42.640 just forget about you. 0:02:42.840 --> 0:02:45.760 We order food and we pick it up and every 0:02:45.800 --> 0:02:48.560 meal is in there except for my meal. That's what happens. 0:02:48.639 --> 0:02:51.920 Like the food is there, they made an attempt. But 0:02:52.560 --> 0:02:54.120 and it always happens when we're going to our friend 0:02:54.200 --> 0:02:56.799 Lauren's house. Like one time we ordered food, like five 0:02:56.840 --> 0:02:59.440 of us and just mine was the only meal missing. 0:02:59.480 --> 0:03:01.440 And like the delivery guy goes, oh yeah, they said 0:03:01.440 --> 0:03:04.880 they're out of that. No one called us nothing. And 0:03:04.919 --> 0:03:07.040 then last night it happened and this guy had run 0:03:07.080 --> 0:03:08.440 my food out to my car for me. He was 0:03:08.480 --> 0:03:10.079 so nice because I called and I was like, I'm 0:03:10.120 --> 0:03:11.600 nine months pregnant. Can you just bring it out to 0:03:11.600 --> 0:03:13.240 my car. I'm right here, I'm like two steps out 0:03:13.240 --> 0:03:15.680 of the restaurant, and he was like so sweet, and 0:03:15.680 --> 0:03:16.080 then they. 0:03:16.040 --> 0:03:18.639 Just forgot my food completely. 0:03:18.639 --> 0:03:20.160 And then I had to go pick it up. I 0:03:20.240 --> 0:03:22.680 was happy to do it. Yes, she was such a 0:03:22.680 --> 0:03:24.240 good friend. She picked it up for me because I 0:03:24.280 --> 0:03:26.200 was like, just the idea of waddling back to my car, 0:03:26.280 --> 0:03:28.120 it's just not happening right now. I can't do it. 0:03:28.200 --> 0:03:29.200 I didn't mind any of it. 0:03:29.200 --> 0:03:31.400 It was a pleasure, except I did then have to 0:03:31.560 --> 0:03:34.920 chat with the people because they they were trying to 0:03:34.960 --> 0:03:36.800 make it up to me, you know, like I care, 0:03:37.280 --> 0:03:40.600 and they were like, oh my god. And then we 0:03:40.640 --> 0:03:43.119 had to talk. He started talking about when his mom 0:03:43.200 --> 0:03:46.280 was pregnant with him. She was in law school. He 0:03:46.360 --> 0:03:49.640 has two sisters. I mean, I really got to know everyone. 0:03:50.120 --> 0:03:50.960 Welcome to my life. 0:03:51.000 --> 0:03:53.480 When you physically present as pregnant, people just come up 0:03:53.520 --> 0:03:55.560 to you and tell you nine antecdotes a. 0:03:55.600 --> 0:03:57.040 Day about like, oh my god. 0:03:57.280 --> 0:03:59.760 So the woman at CBS was like, you're having a boy, 0:04:00.080 --> 0:04:03.400 Like we care what you think. But I went to 0:04:03.480 --> 0:04:07.680 CBS this weekend and I wore a cute dress from 0:04:07.960 --> 0:04:12.040 I got in Australia, Melbourne, what's up? And she goes, 0:04:12.280 --> 0:04:15.520 Oh my god, that dress looks so comfortable, and I 0:04:15.520 --> 0:04:17.960 said thank you, And then I'm like, that's not a 0:04:18.000 --> 0:04:19.880 fucking compliment, that's the what. 0:04:19.800 --> 0:04:20.760 Are you saying to me? 0:04:21.520 --> 0:04:24.440 So I'm already having enemies in the neighborhood. 0:04:24.600 --> 0:04:25.960 Yeah, the CBS lady. 0:04:26.160 --> 0:04:28.719 She was like, she goes, well, I know, amazing people 0:04:28.760 --> 0:04:30.839 have boys, and you seem like a really amazing person. 0:04:30.839 --> 0:04:33.200 I'm like, from the two bottles of Adville, I'm buying okay, 0:04:33.240 --> 0:04:37.080 bitch Like, but also, just before anybody sends me a 0:04:37.120 --> 0:04:38.400 message to Advil's from my husband. 0:04:38.400 --> 0:04:42.279 I know pregnant wmen are not allowed to take Advil disclaimer. 0:04:43.240 --> 0:04:45.479 It's so crazy you have to do all that. What 0:04:45.560 --> 0:04:46.400 else is going on? 0:04:46.800 --> 0:04:49.880 My daughter continues to be obsessed with Lisa. There was 0:04:49.920 --> 0:04:52.240 a man coming to do work on my house and 0:04:52.240 --> 0:04:54.520 his name is Amador, and he was really nice. 0:04:54.880 --> 0:04:55.719 In the morning, when. 0:04:55.560 --> 0:04:57.960 She woke up, she was like, where's Amador? And I 0:04:58.040 --> 0:05:00.720 was like, he went home. She goes, he went to house, 0:05:00.760 --> 0:05:02.440 and I'm like, I don't know what you think Lisa's 0:05:02.520 --> 0:05:05.880 up to. But apparently lots of local men are stopping 0:05:05.920 --> 0:05:06.480 in and out. 0:05:06.800 --> 0:05:10.080 I love the name Amador. It's like such a good name. 0:05:10.279 --> 0:05:14.440 I'm obsessed. I keep saying Amador. Roses in bed saying Lisa, 0:05:14.480 --> 0:05:18.120 and I'm in bed saying Amador to nobody. No, I 0:05:19.080 --> 0:05:23.200 this is like backwards as a person that does love crime, 0:05:23.240 --> 0:05:26.200 it is weird. I avoided the movie Zodiac like the Plague. 0:05:26.240 --> 0:05:30.240 I refuse to watch it for like fifteen years. And 0:05:30.640 --> 0:05:33.080 I watched it on my flight from New York to 0:05:33.240 --> 0:05:34.679 LA and it was good. 0:05:34.760 --> 0:05:35.360 I liked it. 0:05:35.760 --> 0:05:38.719 That's so funny that Delta just keeps Zodiac on like 0:05:38.800 --> 0:05:42.520 it never gets rotated out, like I watched Zodiac on Delta. 0:05:42.440 --> 0:05:43.240 Four years ago. 0:05:43.279 --> 0:05:45.280 I mean I watched it when it originally came out, too, 0:05:45.320 --> 0:05:47.600 but like I rewatched it. That is like I don't 0:05:47.600 --> 0:05:49.719 really like rewatching movies that much. I don't really watch 0:05:49.760 --> 0:05:53.160 movies again. Really, yeah, I just don't. I mean, like, 0:05:53.480 --> 0:05:56.320 if something's on and I've seen it, like with friends, sure, 0:05:56.400 --> 0:05:58.800 but I'm not like, oh, I'm gonna sit and rewatch 0:05:58.839 --> 0:06:01.279 a movie that I've already seen when there's so many 0:06:01.279 --> 0:06:02.159 movies I haven't seen. 0:06:02.200 --> 0:06:03.560 I think that's my opposite. 0:06:03.640 --> 0:06:06.680 But I heard my niece read me once and she said, 0:06:06.680 --> 0:06:09.560 people with anxiety like to watch the same things over 0:06:09.600 --> 0:06:09.920 and over. 0:06:10.080 --> 0:06:10.520 Yeah. 0:06:10.680 --> 0:06:15.080 I was like, all right, I guess, but no, especially 0:06:15.120 --> 0:06:18.640 on planes. I watched The Favorite maybe on twelve separate flights. 0:06:18.680 --> 0:06:21.200 I watched Inger Goes West over and over like two 0:06:21.240 --> 0:06:24.279 and from places I would be watching Inger and Goes West. Yeah, 0:06:24.240 --> 0:06:26.880 adult and then clueless is always on Delta flight? 0:06:26.960 --> 0:06:29.120 Well also, I can't believe this. I did want to. 0:06:29.080 --> 0:06:32.360 Talk about this, but we're already Delta. Miley Cyrus flew 0:06:32.400 --> 0:06:34.919 Delta this week. I need to know is this for 0:06:35.000 --> 0:06:37.880 the environment? Did she get paid? Is this a sponsorship? 0:06:37.960 --> 0:06:40.120 Did she just need a last minute flight? She's worth 0:06:40.640 --> 0:06:43.200 over one hundred million dollars, you know, she put flies 0:06:43.200 --> 0:06:43.880 private all the time. 0:06:43.920 --> 0:06:45.880 Why is she on that Delta flight to go do 0:06:46.040 --> 0:06:48.479 SNL because SNL was paying for it? Yeah, but like 0:06:48.560 --> 0:06:51.679 she could just pay for her jet herself. Yeah, that's weird. 0:06:51.720 --> 0:06:52.080 I don't know. 0:06:52.279 --> 0:06:54.159 But she was taking selfies in the bathroom and she 0:06:54.240 --> 0:06:57.120 had like the divider like she was like living it up, 0:06:57.160 --> 0:06:58.080 like she was taking. 0:06:57.839 --> 0:06:59.159 Photos like we would be at the zoo. 0:06:59.279 --> 0:07:01.320 She was like, look like she because it's not like 0:07:01.400 --> 0:07:04.520 and it's not like it's last minute you know, no, 0:07:04.560 --> 0:07:05.520 it's not last minute. 0:07:05.560 --> 0:07:08.160 She was booked like she we knew she was doing 0:07:08.279 --> 0:07:08.960 SNL forever. 0:07:09.160 --> 0:07:14.160 Oh god, elon Musk Anyway, I will say there are 0:07:14.240 --> 0:07:16.360 certain movies that if I flip by them on TV, 0:07:16.440 --> 0:07:19.040 I will keep watching them, such as Mean Girls, when 0:07:19.080 --> 0:07:21.880 Harry met Sally. There's a few that I'm like, oh, 0:07:21.920 --> 0:07:24.520 I'll just watch this from wherever it is. But Devil 0:07:24.520 --> 0:07:27.720 War's Prada I'll always watch again. But yeah, like if 0:07:27.720 --> 0:07:29.160 I'm sitting down to watch a movie, I'm not going 0:07:29.200 --> 0:07:31.120 to flip a new one an old one on. But 0:07:31.600 --> 0:07:33.680 Zodiac is a good one. What did you think of it? 0:07:33.920 --> 0:07:34.520 I liked it. 0:07:34.600 --> 0:07:37.280 I mean it is hard to watch now with a 0:07:37.440 --> 0:07:40.760 different brain where it's like, truly the women are just 0:07:40.840 --> 0:07:44.040 like wives at home that have maybe four lines, and 0:07:44.080 --> 0:07:46.560 then there's it's just a bunch of white dudes. It's 0:07:46.600 --> 0:07:49.200 like you couldn't throw in like one Asian detective. It's 0:07:49.280 --> 0:07:52.440 just like it's hard to watch. It was it was 0:07:52.520 --> 0:07:54.960 kind of avang even though I liked it and Jake 0:07:55.040 --> 0:07:57.840 Jillenhall's hot, I already actually don't remember who the other 0:07:57.880 --> 0:08:00.640 people were because they all look the same to me. Oh, 0:08:00.720 --> 0:08:03.480 Robert Downey's an alcoholic, Okay, I remember that, Like I 0:08:03.520 --> 0:08:04.440 don't even remember. 0:08:05.280 --> 0:08:07.040 It's just so wild that we've not caught him. 0:08:07.160 --> 0:08:08.760 I mean, even though the movie makes it seem like 0:08:08.760 --> 0:08:10.800 it is this one guy, like it's just where. But 0:08:11.480 --> 0:08:14.480 if you go to our Instagram, I'll put it in 0:08:14.480 --> 0:08:18.200 the mention at all highlight. We posted another account put 0:08:18.280 --> 0:08:20.760 up the all the serial killers and what their signs are, 0:08:20.800 --> 0:08:23.560 and it's so many virgos like Lisa and I are 0:08:24.200 --> 0:08:26.680 shock a little bit by how many burgos. I think 0:08:26.680 --> 0:08:28.920 it's just because burgos are very organized. Then that's why 0:08:28.920 --> 0:08:31.240 they can serial kill, because they don't get caught for 0:08:31.280 --> 0:08:31.600 a while. 0:08:31.640 --> 0:08:32.040 Oh my god. 0:08:32.080 --> 0:08:36.720 Speaking of Dexter's coming back, baby, they winked, winked, winked. 0:08:36.800 --> 0:08:39.439 I can't wait. I saw the little trailer. He looks 0:08:39.480 --> 0:08:43.000 as hot as ever. I have my Dexter badge hanging signed. 0:08:43.080 --> 0:08:44.679 I mean, I can't wait to see it. He's an 0:08:44.760 --> 0:08:46.120 organized killer for sure. 0:08:47.320 --> 0:08:52.240 Well, speaking of an organized killer, like but I do complaint, 0:08:52.320 --> 0:08:52.839 I have one. 0:08:52.840 --> 0:08:53.199 I have to. 0:08:53.520 --> 0:08:55.680 I have to bring this up. So I'm living across 0:08:55.720 --> 0:08:57.360 the street from a school, which I like. I like 0:08:57.400 --> 0:08:59.840 the sounds of recess or like soccer games. It reminds 0:08:59.840 --> 0:09:03.240 me of life is, you know, simple and great. The 0:09:03.240 --> 0:09:07.240 school across the street from me, Blair's kids bop NonStop 0:09:07.400 --> 0:09:10.440 no for recess lunch, and when they come to school 0:09:10.520 --> 0:09:14.000 it's kids bop so loud. I've been I wake up 0:09:14.000 --> 0:09:15.080 to kids bop songs. 0:09:15.320 --> 0:09:17.520 I think kids bop is like child abuse. I really, 0:09:17.559 --> 0:09:19.840 I hate it so much. I play the real songs 0:09:19.840 --> 0:09:21.560 for the kids like you. They don't need to play 0:09:21.600 --> 0:09:24.920 these water down versions of the songs. Yeah, well said 0:09:24.960 --> 0:09:31.120 play jazz. But yeah. So let's segue now gracefully into 0:09:31.200 --> 0:09:35.400 our episode, because this is a really this is oh 0:09:35.400 --> 0:09:37.720 my god. This episode really like keeps me awake to night. 0:09:37.760 --> 0:09:39.640 It's so crazy, So let's get into it. 0:09:43.160 --> 0:09:47.600 So today we will be doing season thirteen, episode fifteen, 0:09:48.000 --> 0:09:51.240 called Hunting Ground. Do I keep calling it higher ground 0:09:51.600 --> 0:09:54.679 like the Stevie Wonder slash RHCP song, Yes I do. 0:09:55.600 --> 0:09:57.480 I keep looking for my notes and I kept typing 0:09:57.480 --> 0:10:00.240 in higher Ground and I kept going insane. But it 0:10:00.320 --> 0:10:03.360 is hunting Ground and we will definitely find out why. 0:10:04.280 --> 0:10:06.880 So the episode opens up on Harry Connick Junior and 0:10:07.000 --> 0:10:11.400 Marishka aka Olivia Benson leaving well I guess I used 0:10:11.400 --> 0:10:12.199 Harry's real name. 0:10:12.240 --> 0:10:14.800 Whatever. So Harry and Marishka are leaving a movie theater 0:10:15.320 --> 0:10:18.199 and it looks like a date and she's. 0:10:18.040 --> 0:10:21.200 Wearing a trench peacoat situation with Chloe hair hoops. You 0:10:21.240 --> 0:10:24.640 know this, this is an upscale, fun look maybe a date. 0:10:25.120 --> 0:10:27.679 He tries PDA and she's like, please stop, what are 0:10:27.720 --> 0:10:32.000 you doing? We can't like go public, and he's. 0:10:31.880 --> 0:10:34.200 Like, come on public, I want to fuck. 0:10:36.240 --> 0:10:39.640 But they decide to keep the pressure off and chill out, 0:10:39.760 --> 0:10:42.480 and he's like, let's go out to E and she says, no, 0:10:42.640 --> 0:10:45.920 take out at my place, which obviously means either sex 0:10:46.200 --> 0:10:48.520 or I don't want to be seen out in public 0:10:48.559 --> 0:10:48.800 with you. 0:10:49.120 --> 0:10:50.560 I think it's a little bit of both, because they 0:10:50.640 --> 0:10:52.240 just don't want to. They're like, not that far from 0:10:52.240 --> 0:10:55.079 the squad or something like that. But I also feel 0:10:55.080 --> 0:10:57.240 like it's really weird to be like, let's just chill 0:10:57.280 --> 0:10:57.720 a little. 0:10:57.559 --> 0:11:02.480 Bit, let's go fuck. It's weird. It's it's a's double 0:11:02.600 --> 0:11:08.760 messaging to me. Well, yeah, they're just separating work in person. No, No, 0:11:09.000 --> 0:11:09.439 like you. 0:11:09.440 --> 0:11:13.360 Can fucking maybe still be chill. I don't know, I 0:11:13.360 --> 0:11:18.920 don't know, can you. Yeah, that's that's for a different relationship, 0:11:19.240 --> 0:11:22.600 different podcasts. Yeah, so behind them, and they don't really 0:11:22.600 --> 0:11:25.880 do this often, which I really appreciate. But behind them 0:11:26.280 --> 0:11:28.640 there's like a man walking a dog on a leash 0:11:28.760 --> 0:11:30.960 and he looks like a nerd, you know, glasses and 0:11:31.000 --> 0:11:32.960 I forgot who has this joke? But it is like 0:11:33.040 --> 0:11:35.760 I just can't see when did the stereotype happen that 0:11:35.800 --> 0:11:38.440 I'm suddenly smart and love computers. 0:11:38.520 --> 0:11:40.960 Like I'm just blind, but I can't remember who's show. 0:11:41.360 --> 0:11:41.880 That's funny. 0:11:41.960 --> 0:11:43.760 I know I don't remember, but I'm like, that's such 0:11:43.760 --> 0:11:46.480 a good point, Like how did we anyone with bad vision? 0:11:46.559 --> 0:11:49.079 Is a point? Dexter so goofy. 0:11:49.400 --> 0:11:51.240 I kind of don't like it when they do stuff 0:11:51.280 --> 0:11:53.800 like this, like the like because it implies that New 0:11:53.880 --> 0:11:56.880 York is like this tiny village where like the cops 0:11:56.880 --> 0:11:58.840 are on a date and those of serial Killer two 0:11:58.920 --> 0:12:01.439 blocks like a block them checking the newspaper. 0:12:01.640 --> 0:12:04.480 I get that, but that's my face. I loved running 0:12:04.480 --> 0:12:07.160 into people in New York. Names felt better. 0:12:06.920 --> 0:12:09.880 Than like a subway or like you're walking You're like, 0:12:09.920 --> 0:12:12.280 what up? But you got to keep asuming. I do 0:12:12.400 --> 0:12:13.480 love that, and I do think in a lot of 0:12:13.520 --> 0:12:14.760 ways New York is a small city. 0:12:14.800 --> 0:12:17.720 It's just weird when it's like the captain of the 0:12:17.760 --> 0:12:20.600 sexual Crimes Unit is just strolling past a man who's 0:12:20.600 --> 0:12:22.240 committing a heinous sexual crimes. 0:12:22.280 --> 0:12:26.080 It's a little coincidental, but I loved it. I did 0:12:26.120 --> 0:12:26.480 love it. 0:12:26.559 --> 0:12:29.640 And so he's picking up a free newspaper called Downtown. 0:12:29.720 --> 0:12:31.960 I don't know if you have these in your where 0:12:32.000 --> 0:12:34.079 you live, but it's like the free paper you take 0:12:34.120 --> 0:12:36.120 on the train with you. I was on the cover 0:12:36.160 --> 0:12:39.240 of the Chicago Red Eye once. No big deal, huge deal. 0:12:39.360 --> 0:12:39.640 Okay. 0:12:41.080 --> 0:12:44.400 We see him with a photo circled and he's calling 0:12:44.440 --> 0:12:48.040 someone from the back pages and he wants to pay 0:12:48.080 --> 0:12:52.240 cash because his wife is on him, and he wants 0:12:52.280 --> 0:12:55.040 to meet at the Starbucks on fourteenth and seventh. And 0:12:55.559 --> 0:12:58.160 just hearing those streets made me nostalgic for New York 0:12:58.400 --> 0:12:59.800 because I got off at them. 0:12:59.559 --> 0:13:02.199 Trying to say, I'm like, is there a Starbucks at fourteenth? 0:13:02.240 --> 0:13:04.200 And I know I did too, because but I always 0:13:04.200 --> 0:13:06.320 got off at fourteenth and six. But that was the 0:13:06.360 --> 0:13:09.439 hell Do you remember the Hell the Hell Bridge where 0:13:09.480 --> 0:13:11.640 it's like you got off the l and then if 0:13:11.640 --> 0:13:13.160 you wanted to get on the one two three, there's 0:13:13.200 --> 0:13:14.000 the hell Bridge. 0:13:14.200 --> 0:13:16.000 Oh I hate that shit. I don't. 0:13:16.040 --> 0:13:16.319 I won't. 0:13:16.360 --> 0:13:18.320 I won't even switch underground. I'm like, I'll take it 0:13:18.360 --> 0:13:20.160 to a different stop. I'll go to like West fourth 0:13:20.160 --> 0:13:21.360 because you don't have to do that. 0:13:21.840 --> 0:13:24.480 Yeah, so I would get off on the FM to 0:13:24.520 --> 0:13:26.120 go to my you know, my comedy club. 0:13:26.160 --> 0:13:28.600 But if you follow the hell Bridge, I'm like, was 0:13:28.640 --> 0:13:29.920 there a Starbucks or not? 0:13:31.520 --> 0:13:33.720 But it did make me nostalgic, But also like this 0:13:33.760 --> 0:13:35.720 pisses me off because it's like, if it's a new customer, 0:13:35.720 --> 0:13:36.920 you got to get a card. I mean it works 0:13:36.920 --> 0:13:38.400 at a hair salon, we wouldn't even make a hair 0:13:38.440 --> 0:13:41.600 appointment without a credit card. And you're sending a woman 0:13:41.720 --> 0:13:45.880 to meet a guy with cash from a payphone. You 0:13:45.920 --> 0:13:48.160 know that you're not taking care of yours. 0:13:48.360 --> 0:13:50.120 Yeah, not exactly a vetting process. 0:13:50.200 --> 0:13:53.599 There's no Starbucks, Google street View, no Starbucks. Just so 0:13:53.720 --> 0:13:58.760 you know, we see a young blonde and she's holding 0:13:58.760 --> 0:14:00.840 a baby. She's answering the call to meet this guy, 0:14:00.880 --> 0:14:02.439 and the mom's like, what the fuck what do you doing? 0:14:02.520 --> 0:14:03.959 Blah blah blah what if I had plans? 0:14:04.520 --> 0:14:06.480 And it's like, you're the mom of a teen mom, 0:14:06.840 --> 0:14:09.880 do your job, maybe sit this kid. But the girl 0:14:09.920 --> 0:14:12.320 says she can't turn down catering work. The mom's like, 0:14:12.400 --> 0:14:16.079 who is doing catering this late? It's nine o'clock and 0:14:16.160 --> 0:14:18.320 she says, rich people, which is my answer. 0:14:18.400 --> 0:14:20.080 It's a great answer, And like, would you love to 0:14:20.080 --> 0:14:22.280 be rich for like it's eight fifteen and you're like, 0:14:22.600 --> 0:14:24.200 you know what, call the catering people. 0:14:24.320 --> 0:14:26.560 Let's just have a catered party right now. I would. 0:14:26.680 --> 0:14:29.800 But if I if we're that level of wealth, I'd 0:14:29.880 --> 0:14:33.200 rather call a Michelin star restaurant, say get a private 0:14:33.280 --> 0:14:34.040 room ready for me. 0:14:34.360 --> 0:14:35.840 Yeah, but what if you don't want to leave your house? 0:14:35.880 --> 0:14:38.720 What if you're huge? You get recognized. It's like annoying. 0:14:39.640 --> 0:14:41.800 Yeah, okay, either ray is good. 0:14:41.920 --> 0:14:44.080 I just like I just want to go to laberna 0:14:44.120 --> 0:14:49.440 den in a private room. So cut to she's out 0:14:49.440 --> 0:14:53.240 to dinner with this nerd and she's only eating a salad. 0:14:53.320 --> 0:14:57.040 So he's pissed and he's in and this is also foreshadowing, 0:14:57.320 --> 0:14:59.440 but he says, you'll need meat on your bones for 0:14:59.480 --> 0:15:02.600 the winter, and she smiles says something dumb. You know, 0:15:02.680 --> 0:15:05.680 she's flirting, So they're having like a weird flirt situation 0:15:05.840 --> 0:15:08.760 and then he asks the waiter to wrap this up 0:15:08.800 --> 0:15:11.240 for my dog please. And he's not rude, but I 0:15:11.280 --> 0:15:13.760 don't like the way he spoke to the waiter. But 0:15:13.880 --> 0:15:16.080 nothing was advertly rude, but I didn't like it. I 0:15:16.080 --> 0:15:17.720 don't know if it was like lack of icon. He 0:15:17.840 --> 0:15:21.640 is good, this actor like he is. He is communicating creepiness, 0:15:21.960 --> 0:15:24.760 like very subtly. I feel like, yeah, just the way 0:15:24.800 --> 0:15:26.320 he talked to that waiter and was like, wrap this 0:15:26.400 --> 0:15:29.080 up for my dog please, it's just weird, Like weird 0:15:29.160 --> 0:15:30.800 is the word, because I was like, I don't think 0:15:30.840 --> 0:15:33.440 it's totally off putting, but I don't like it. 0:15:33.640 --> 0:15:34.640 Yeah. 0:15:34.680 --> 0:15:36.480 So they're walking to the car after dinner and he 0:15:36.480 --> 0:15:38.960 opens the car and there's a dog in the back 0:15:39.000 --> 0:15:42.200 seat with a cage type like screen like a cabin. 0:15:42.280 --> 0:15:45.120 It's a cage, and the dog is cute. They have 0:15:45.200 --> 0:15:48.800 some banter. She's not loving it. Her instincts are saying 0:15:49.040 --> 0:15:52.600 this is strange, do not go. But he's like, listen, 0:15:52.640 --> 0:15:55.480 the dog's good. Just get in the car. And she 0:15:55.720 --> 0:15:58.600 smiles and she's super cute and sweet, and she gets 0:15:58.600 --> 0:16:02.480 in the car. Cut back to Harry and Marishkaus day 0:16:02.760 --> 0:16:06.920 and she looks very pretty eyeliner, and he's wooing her. 0:16:07.120 --> 0:16:08.840 They make out, so that's. 0:16:08.680 --> 0:16:10.840 Exciting, and he does say to her like, I don't 0:16:10.840 --> 0:16:13.320 know what you've been through, but I'm here baby, So. 0:16:13.520 --> 0:16:16.240 I mean you've cut me off and saying that I 0:16:16.320 --> 0:16:19.880 minimize the coreese rollins sexual attention. I have to cut 0:16:19.920 --> 0:16:22.320 you off. But this was really sexy and hot. I 0:16:22.360 --> 0:16:24.600 thought I thought they were being really hot together, and 0:16:24.800 --> 0:16:25.960 I think you need to give it a little bit 0:16:26.000 --> 0:16:26.480 more attention. 0:16:27.120 --> 0:16:28.520 He does nothing for me. 0:16:28.920 --> 0:16:31.600 Look, he's actually not really for me either, but I 0:16:31.640 --> 0:16:34.360 do think they have chemistry. 0:16:34.400 --> 0:16:34.960 He doesn't really. 0:16:35.000 --> 0:16:36.920 I'm not like Harry gone to Junior, Oh my god, 0:16:37.080 --> 0:16:39.440 like like the way I think her husband's way hotter 0:16:40.480 --> 0:16:41.080 Peter Herman. 0:16:41.200 --> 0:16:44.240 But like, I don't know. I did think it was 0:16:44.280 --> 0:16:44.800 really hot. 0:16:45.000 --> 0:16:47.760 Yeah, I'm more of a castady person, even though he's 0:16:47.920 --> 0:16:53.480 toxic but and try to ruin her life and get 0:16:53.480 --> 0:16:56.560 her child taken away from her. But I, yeah, Harry 0:16:56.600 --> 0:16:59.000 does nothing. You're right to cut me off. I feel 0:16:59.320 --> 0:17:00.400 nothing for these people. 0:17:00.600 --> 0:17:03.320 We're just exhibiting our preferences. I think, go on, Yeah, 0:17:03.440 --> 0:17:05.440 you like a guy who can play the piano. 0:17:05.480 --> 0:17:07.479 Well, no, it's not even not. I don't even love him. 0:17:07.520 --> 0:17:10.160 I just feel like you never see Benson makeout with anybody. 0:17:10.200 --> 0:17:12.440 You never really see Benson having any hot times, and 0:17:12.480 --> 0:17:15.720 like she seems really into him. I never saw that 0:17:15.840 --> 0:17:18.879 kind of like sort of like maybe because she's older. 0:17:18.880 --> 0:17:23.240 But with Bart Bass's dad, what's his name, Tucker Tucker? Yeah, 0:17:23.280 --> 0:17:26.400 who's Bart Bass? Chuck Bass's dad, Bart Bass. That's who 0:17:26.400 --> 0:17:29.879 he plays in Gossip Girls. Okay, I don't watch guy. 0:17:29.920 --> 0:17:33.240 I've never seen an episode. That's crazy ed Tucker to 0:17:33.359 --> 0:17:35.320 me is Sex in the City. 0:17:35.200 --> 0:17:37.200 And he was in one episode of that right too. 0:17:37.200 --> 0:17:39.760 Too, because he fucks her when she's pregnant, and just 0:17:39.840 --> 0:17:42.080 then he comes back to town and she's like, I 0:17:42.080 --> 0:17:44.920 have a baby. He's like, oh mine, and she's like, nah, man, 0:17:45.160 --> 0:17:47.359 let's fuck. But the baby keeps interrupting and she has 0:17:47.440 --> 0:17:50.200 to learn a lesson about loving her baby or something. 0:17:50.560 --> 0:17:54.280 So so they're having their day, they're making out and 0:17:54.320 --> 0:17:56.760 then uh oh they cut and the dog is sitting 0:17:56.760 --> 0:17:59.560 in the front seat like proud as fuck, and then 0:17:59.680 --> 0:18:02.800 the cutie is tied wrists in the back seat cage 0:18:02.840 --> 0:18:06.640 area and uh, not good. 0:18:06.520 --> 0:18:09.760 And she looks really really scared. Yeah, and she starts 0:18:09.800 --> 0:18:10.800 begging to be let out. 0:18:10.840 --> 0:18:12.320 You don't have to pay me, and it's like we're 0:18:12.359 --> 0:18:14.960 past that, girl, But I'll do whatever you want. 0:18:15.040 --> 0:18:15.359 Please. 0:18:15.400 --> 0:18:19.159 I don't want to die, and he responds, that's up 0:18:19.200 --> 0:18:21.720 to you, isn't it, And they zoom in on his 0:18:21.800 --> 0:18:23.400 glasses and we get to the credits. 0:18:23.480 --> 0:18:25.240 So this is like a jam packed intro. 0:18:25.320 --> 0:18:29.760 I feel for like, we have love and fear, we 0:18:29.840 --> 0:18:33.920 have all the emissions. So Benson wakes up in Harry's 0:18:34.040 --> 0:18:37.360 arms to her phone ringing like the show never lets 0:18:37.359 --> 0:18:39.720 Benson have too much fun. Yeah, like you could have 0:18:39.720 --> 0:18:42.199 a night of sex, but you're not getting breakfast. That's 0:18:42.240 --> 0:18:45.159 like they never write, they never let her have too 0:18:45.240 --> 0:18:48.280 much fun. So she's she's got to go. It seems 0:18:48.280 --> 0:18:51.040 like it was good sex. She's wearing his shirt, but 0:18:51.119 --> 0:18:54.080 she's got to go because shit's going down. And she 0:18:54.200 --> 0:18:57.320 runs into Tomorrow And I don't think we do enough 0:18:57.359 --> 0:18:58.359 Tomorrow episodes. 0:18:58.840 --> 0:19:01.640 We're gonna do more, We're coming up. I think Tomorrow's 0:19:01.680 --> 0:19:02.160 hot as hell. 0:19:02.320 --> 0:19:05.200 He is so hot, and I think he's just such 0:19:05.600 --> 0:19:06.640 I don't love his character. 0:19:07.160 --> 0:19:09.480 That's the problem, the way he talks to his wife. No, 0:19:09.600 --> 0:19:12.520 but her I have opinions and we get to those. 0:19:12.720 --> 0:19:15.639 But yeah, but I but physically, I mean he's in 0:19:15.680 --> 0:19:18.800 like a new show called Mayans on FX where he's 0:19:18.800 --> 0:19:21.800 like a motorcycle guy. I think it's kind of it's 0:19:21.800 --> 0:19:23.680 a it's a spin off of Sons of Anarchy. 0:19:23.800 --> 0:19:27.560 Yeah, we're so focused on like Stabler's ass and Carreese's 0:19:27.600 --> 0:19:31.440 sensitivity that we forget Tomorrow's just stone cold hotness. 0:19:31.520 --> 0:19:34.160 Yes, because you know he shoots people that. 0:19:34.119 --> 0:19:38.359 Are unarmed, so we we don't love him. 0:19:38.560 --> 0:19:40.520 Did he ever cheat? I don't think he cheated. 0:19:40.200 --> 0:19:45.080 Though, but okay, whatever she cheated, he did, No, she did, 0:19:45.720 --> 0:19:46.280 she cheated. 0:19:46.320 --> 0:19:49.440 She also, I've seen him in person. He is exceptionally 0:19:49.480 --> 0:19:53.640 hotter in person. I bet, I bet he's a babe. 0:19:54.320 --> 0:19:55.840 You know who was so hot that I saw in 0:19:55.880 --> 0:19:58.199 person and like I was in it. I escorted him 0:19:58.200 --> 0:19:59.840 when he was on Conan, so we were actually speaking 0:19:59.840 --> 0:20:02.840 to each other on an elevator. Jake Jillenhall not that 0:20:02.960 --> 0:20:06.320 to me cute on screen in person, like melt your 0:20:06.320 --> 0:20:06.920 face hot. 0:20:07.119 --> 0:20:09.720 But that's it makes sense so that someone I saw that, 0:20:09.760 --> 0:20:12.240 you're like, of course pretty. But when I saw kristin 0:20:12.240 --> 0:20:14.280 Wig in person, I'm like, oh, no one is more 0:20:14.320 --> 0:20:16.679 beautiful than you. Really dropped at gorgeous and she was 0:20:16.680 --> 0:20:18.159 talking to the tall stars guard. 0:20:18.680 --> 0:20:20.520 Oh and I try. 0:20:20.600 --> 0:20:22.400 I mean I was staring but trying not to stare 0:20:22.440 --> 0:20:23.000 the whole time. 0:20:23.080 --> 0:20:24.800 But like I when you. 0:20:24.720 --> 0:20:27.400 See famous people like that up close, you're like, oh, 0:20:27.400 --> 0:20:30.720 you're the hottest person alive. Okay, like it's you're obviously 0:20:30.760 --> 0:20:35.520 she's so talented too, but it was like, oh my god. Yeah, 0:20:35.600 --> 0:20:40.320 I asked, like, whenever I've talked to famous people, I'm like, 0:20:40.560 --> 0:20:43.679 that are comedians, so like there's whatever. When I talk 0:20:43.760 --> 0:20:46.160 to friends who have become famous, I'm always like, what 0:20:46.200 --> 0:20:48.040 famous person is the hottest person you've ever seen? 0:20:48.119 --> 0:20:48.959 Like give me the scoop. 0:20:49.320 --> 0:20:52.879 And the answers I've gotten consistently are Charlie's Throne and 0:20:53.000 --> 0:20:53.680 Jessica Biel. 0:20:54.280 --> 0:20:54.960 Interesting. 0:20:55.119 --> 0:20:58.000 Yeah, Also, Jennifer Aniston was one of the most beautiful 0:20:58.000 --> 0:20:59.080 people up close, but. 0:20:59.080 --> 0:21:01.119 That's obvious from anywhere. I don't know. 0:21:01.200 --> 0:21:03.119 I kind of think she's a little bit plain looking, 0:21:03.240 --> 0:21:05.480 but in person, her eyes like sparkle. 0:21:05.720 --> 0:21:08.919 No, to me, she is the number one girl like 0:21:09.080 --> 0:21:11.680 Jack's and vander Pump like he's the number one guy. 0:21:12.320 --> 0:21:14.720 Like to me, jen girl Hollywood. 0:21:15.400 --> 0:21:19.480 Yes, outside of Britney spears in her prime, but that's like, no, 0:21:19.760 --> 0:21:23.960 Jen Aniston is everything to me. I just think she 0:21:24.160 --> 0:21:26.680 is the number one. She's not even a movie star 0:21:26.800 --> 0:21:29.600 like that's but she is. But she is everything. I'll 0:21:29.600 --> 0:21:30.400 buy smart water. 0:21:30.560 --> 0:21:31.040 I don't care. 0:21:31.119 --> 0:21:33.119 I have a vino in my tub right now, like 0:21:33.359 --> 0:21:37.520 so do I. I'll do whatever she says. I've bought 0:21:37.560 --> 0:21:40.520 her her living proof hair care is too expensive, though. 0:21:40.320 --> 0:21:42.879 They might sponsor us. Cut this all right, go to 0:21:43.560 --> 0:21:44.760 go back to the episode. 0:21:44.800 --> 0:21:50.159 Okay, whatever, So we meet tomorrow and he's like, wow, 0:21:50.240 --> 0:21:52.880 you look happy, and so he knows she got late, 0:21:54.080 --> 0:21:58.000 and but then unfortunately a teen mom is missing, so 0:21:58.240 --> 0:22:00.719 they can't like get the low down on the fucking 0:22:01.520 --> 0:22:03.880 The daughter's been missing for two days. And the mom 0:22:03.880 --> 0:22:07.439 plays a voicemail from the missing teen and you know 0:22:07.680 --> 0:22:11.040 it's just sad, but it's the voicemail is mom, I'm sorry. 0:22:11.119 --> 0:22:14.400 I'm a bad girl. I go out with Suddenly there's screams. 0:22:14.960 --> 0:22:17.360 But I have sex with men for money. I want 0:22:17.400 --> 0:22:19.159 you to know that's who I really am. I'm just 0:22:19.200 --> 0:22:22.240 a dirty whore. So obviously she's being forced to say this, 0:22:22.840 --> 0:22:25.600 and this guy is a fucking sadist. So then the 0:22:25.640 --> 0:22:27.919 mom tells the detectives like Katie had a late night 0:22:27.960 --> 0:22:31.439 catering gig, and the detectives immediately know what's up. But 0:22:31.480 --> 0:22:34.119 Omaro questions the mom why she waited from Saturday to 0:22:34.200 --> 0:22:36.840 Monday to report her missing, and she said she called Sunday, 0:22:36.840 --> 0:22:39.280 but the cops said she's probably out partying and doesn't care. 0:22:39.640 --> 0:22:41.520 And that's what I love about SVU, is they do 0:22:41.600 --> 0:22:44.440 they're a cab too. Yeah, in a lot of ways 0:22:44.680 --> 0:22:47.479 they do show cops like not doing a good job, 0:22:47.720 --> 0:22:51.639 and like SVU comes and swoops in, So I like 0:22:51.840 --> 0:22:55.360 that about this show. So Rollins listens to the message 0:22:55.359 --> 0:22:57.399 and she immediately is like this is a psychopath and 0:22:57.400 --> 0:22:59.280 I don't know who would disagree with her, like, yeah, 0:22:59.320 --> 0:22:59.960 it's a psycho path. 0:23:00.160 --> 0:23:00.919 Roland's cool. 0:23:01.240 --> 0:23:03.399 And the last ping on her cell phone was a 0:23:03.400 --> 0:23:05.760 bridge to Pansy Bridge to Palsy. 0:23:05.640 --> 0:23:08.240 Tap and Z? Where is that the tap and Z? 0:23:08.440 --> 0:23:11.600 I think is up to get to like upstate New York, 0:23:11.640 --> 0:23:12.760 like Hudson River Valley. 0:23:12.840 --> 0:23:15.359 Okay, yeah, so that. 0:23:15.400 --> 0:23:17.280 Was the last ping off the bridge and then they're 0:23:17.359 --> 0:23:19.880 like the phone was probably thrown off into the river. 0:23:20.880 --> 0:23:24.720 The last call she got was the caterer lol g 0:23:25.119 --> 0:23:31.960 NS Services LLC. Important fact, remember that forever. So there's 0:23:32.000 --> 0:23:35.200 a sweet moment. I really love this Craigan. I still 0:23:35.359 --> 0:23:37.320 like sometimes I forget and then I see him on 0:23:37.359 --> 0:23:39.080 screen and then I remember that we met. 0:23:38.920 --> 0:23:42.720 Him through the computer. 0:23:42.920 --> 0:23:46.080 But it is like, but he's really sweet with Rowlins 0:23:46.119 --> 0:23:47.480 and they have a moment like how'd you make it 0:23:47.520 --> 0:23:48.399 past super Bowl? 0:23:48.600 --> 0:23:50.160 Oh yeah? And gambling stuff. 0:23:50.400 --> 0:23:52.400 Yeah, So I like that he checked in on her 0:23:52.800 --> 0:23:55.320 and she said she went to three meetings standing room only. 0:23:55.680 --> 0:23:58.280 And this was actually a nice insightful moment for myself, 0:23:58.320 --> 0:24:01.160 Like I don't think about gambling a d often and 0:24:01.640 --> 0:24:02.960 the things that might be triggers. 0:24:03.720 --> 0:24:06.080 So I just like another. 0:24:06.200 --> 0:24:08.840 Yeah from a super Bowl weekend means like dips, you know, 0:24:09.040 --> 0:24:11.000 and for other people it's like a hard thing to 0:24:11.000 --> 0:24:11.399 get through it. 0:24:11.560 --> 0:24:15.680 Yeah, our last suit no during yeah, the super Bowl 0:24:15.720 --> 0:24:16.920 party before pandemic. 0:24:17.119 --> 0:24:19.879 Karen and I had a great time. I let my 0:24:19.960 --> 0:24:22.040 daughter try McDonald's French fries for the first time. 0:24:24.200 --> 0:24:27.119 So Finn is at the brothel escort service type place 0:24:27.200 --> 0:24:30.240 and the woman that enters she has a sleek ponytail 0:24:30.280 --> 0:24:31.639 gold jewelry. 0:24:31.240 --> 0:24:33.840 And she immediately is like, this is a legit business. 0:24:33.880 --> 0:24:39.080 Nothing funny, which stops saying if you're a shady business, 0:24:39.200 --> 0:24:41.800 do not say you're a legitimate business, because it's the number, 0:24:41.840 --> 0:24:43.600 Like if you were a legitimate business, you would never 0:24:43.640 --> 0:24:44.320 have to say that. 0:24:44.440 --> 0:24:45.399 So it's always like. 0:24:45.760 --> 0:24:49.200 Mistake number one. But the woman says, listen, we're a 0:24:49.240 --> 0:24:51.760 matchmaking service. If she did anything more, that's on her 0:24:52.320 --> 0:24:55.520 rollins is like, we don't care. There's a girl she's 0:24:55.520 --> 0:24:59.240 missing and she's sixteen, so go fuck yourself. And immediately 0:24:59.320 --> 0:25:01.439 she doesn't want to get trouble for working with a 0:25:01.480 --> 0:25:04.480 sixteen year old girl, so she sits down and is 0:25:04.520 --> 0:25:06.960 going to cooperate fully, give them all the scoop. 0:25:07.359 --> 0:25:09.240 She says, you know, first time caller. 0:25:09.359 --> 0:25:11.239 They went out to dinner and met at Starbucks, like 0:25:11.560 --> 0:25:13.879 we said, but he insisted on paying cash. 0:25:13.960 --> 0:25:17.320 That's when you hang up. Yeah, the name was Brewster, just. 0:25:17.240 --> 0:25:20.280 One name, so they didn't even get meaning a last name, 0:25:20.640 --> 0:25:24.040 Like it's not that he couldn't have just said Brewster 0:25:24.119 --> 0:25:26.560 Smith and which is you know, bullshit. But still it's 0:25:26.640 --> 0:25:28.600 like you're not you don't even give a fuck what 0:25:28.640 --> 0:25:29.639 happens to these girls? 0:25:29.960 --> 0:25:32.840 No, and to not get a credit card is shocking 0:25:33.240 --> 0:25:35.480 because if you need to say, well hold it, you 0:25:35.520 --> 0:25:37.359 can pay cash, We're going to hold your credit card 0:25:37.359 --> 0:25:40.199 in case you fucking don't pay, or with someone like 0:25:40.240 --> 0:25:42.640 this who does want to commit crimes. Again, we don't 0:25:42.640 --> 0:25:45.720 want to give advice to criminals, but buy one of 0:25:45.720 --> 0:25:47.400 those visa gift cards that. 0:25:47.400 --> 0:25:49.719 Are two hundred and fifty five hundred dollars and then 0:25:49.760 --> 0:25:51.080 you can use those and you're. 0:25:51.400 --> 0:25:54.639 Associated of sexual predators. 0:25:55.280 --> 0:25:57.000 But it's very upsetting. 0:25:57.560 --> 0:26:00.879 So the woman in charge says that Hayley came to 0:26:01.000 --> 0:26:06.200 her company because her previous employer or pimp, I don't 0:26:06.240 --> 0:26:10.000 really know, but a girl went missing on Christmas. 0:26:09.480 --> 0:26:11.960 And was never found and that freaks her out. 0:26:12.000 --> 0:26:15.359 So she came here and phyl and Ro's Finn and 0:26:15.480 --> 0:26:19.320 Rollins go to that previous employer and he's a scuzzy 0:26:19.400 --> 0:26:22.160 looking guy. You know, he needs a haircut. He's got 0:26:22.160 --> 0:26:25.080 glasses too. But you don't think he's smart, No, you don't. 0:26:25.440 --> 0:26:26.240 You certainly don't. 0:26:26.280 --> 0:26:28.200 Even though aren't there signs on the wall. 0:26:28.240 --> 0:26:31.160 They are like sat Prep like it's weirdly like they're 0:26:31.160 --> 0:26:34.200 trying to act like they're selling sat Prep, but it's 0:26:34.240 --> 0:26:35.800 really sex work it's just. 0:26:35.960 --> 0:26:39.520 Yeah, because if you're wearing like a baggy polo with 0:26:39.680 --> 0:26:40.560 designs on. 0:26:40.480 --> 0:26:44.719 It, it's not SAT. Baby. I'm not coming to you 0:26:44.760 --> 0:26:45.720 to get my scores up. 0:26:47.760 --> 0:26:51.119 And he said that she was terrible, and then he goes, 0:26:51.720 --> 0:26:53.880 don't hire someone with a baby, which you. 0:26:53.840 --> 0:26:57.639 Know, I laughed, but but hire Kara with the baby. 0:26:57.960 --> 0:27:00.879 Hire me. I mean, I'm, I got it, I'm And. 0:27:01.000 --> 0:27:03.679 He goes, technically she's an SAT tutor, and they're like, 0:27:03.680 --> 0:27:05.959 we're not fucking with you, and we're gonna stick everyone 0:27:06.000 --> 0:27:07.560 we want on you, like, fucking help. 0:27:07.480 --> 0:27:08.280 Us figure this out. 0:27:08.760 --> 0:27:12.800 So basically, the girl that went missing around the holidays, 0:27:12.840 --> 0:27:16.840 her name was Roxy again back Pages and nope, no 0:27:16.960 --> 0:27:20.840 credit card, cash only brewster. So we have a connection 0:27:21.320 --> 0:27:24.440 and this is a serial. So we're back at the 0:27:24.480 --> 0:27:27.600 precinct and everyone's giving their opinions. We're having a little 0:27:27.720 --> 0:27:30.880 hangout session. We got the whole gang. We got Rollins 0:27:30.880 --> 0:27:35.159 who's like he's a psychopath, we got Munch going listen. 0:27:35.320 --> 0:27:38.120 We can't be mad at back Pages because without those ads, 0:27:38.119 --> 0:27:40.240 there wouldn't be a village voice, and they're the only 0:27:40.280 --> 0:27:43.359 ones doing real investigative journaling. And it's like, okay, munch, 0:27:43.960 --> 0:27:44.280 but I. 0:27:44.240 --> 0:27:46.760 Mean rip that he was right. The village Voice shut down. 0:27:47.160 --> 0:27:52.639 Yeah, and then Benson is like, they're facilitating human trafficking. 0:27:52.680 --> 0:27:56.119 They're the worst. And tomorrow I don't remember what he says. Okay, 0:27:56.160 --> 0:27:58.280 there's just a lot of stuff. So they're all chatting. 0:27:58.320 --> 0:28:02.720 Cragan like the dad is is like, chill out, everyone, relax, 0:28:02.840 --> 0:28:04.840 you go here, you go there, do everything. 0:28:05.240 --> 0:28:08.560 So Rollinson Phil keep calling Finn Phil. I know. 0:28:10.000 --> 0:28:13.320 Rollins and Finn go to other agencies that advertise on 0:28:13.359 --> 0:28:16.120 the back pages to get information, and Benson and Tomarrow 0:28:16.240 --> 0:28:18.840 hit up the restaurants around Starbucks to see where they 0:28:18.880 --> 0:28:22.320 went on a date. And we meet a classic SVU character, 0:28:22.480 --> 0:28:26.680 a bartender that remembers everything. They were at table three. 0:28:26.880 --> 0:28:30.680 She was sexy as hell. I didn't pay attention to him, glasses, 0:28:30.800 --> 0:28:33.399 brown hair, ten percent tip, and he knew it was 0:28:33.440 --> 0:28:36.520 a first date because dessert and lattes and they left 0:28:36.680 --> 0:28:40.240 like at clothes and and the doggie bag, so that 0:28:40.320 --> 0:28:42.360 obviously alludes to the dog. 0:28:42.680 --> 0:28:45.960 We know there was a dog. Yeah, well yeah, we've 0:28:45.960 --> 0:28:48.360 seen we've seen the dog. Yeah, but they seem like 0:28:48.400 --> 0:28:51.640 they know, like the doggie bag gives them information. We're 0:28:51.640 --> 0:28:54.000 looking for a guy with a dog. I guess. 0:28:54.320 --> 0:28:57.480 Also, I guess sexual predators psychopaths don't tip. 0:28:57.520 --> 0:28:59.720 Well, no, that makes sense because you don't care about it, 0:29:00.000 --> 0:29:03.680 don't care about other people. Yeah, ten not okay, well no. 0:29:04.080 --> 0:29:08.960 When I worked at places or even at comedy clubs 0:29:09.000 --> 0:29:12.920 with the staff there, I'd always ask the pregnant employees, like, 0:29:12.960 --> 0:29:16.120 you're getting more tips, and they said no really, which 0:29:16.160 --> 0:29:19.240 is crazy to me. If I saw if a pregnant 0:29:19.240 --> 0:29:21.480 woman is serving me, that I'm tipping more. 0:29:22.000 --> 0:29:24.640 Yeah, I should have gotten away. It's hard to work. 0:29:25.040 --> 0:29:27.520 I should have gone a serving job during this pandemic. 0:29:27.960 --> 0:29:31.920 Yeah, that's a great idea. So we cut to fucking scariness, 0:29:32.000 --> 0:29:34.960 Like probably our worst nightmare is people on this planet. 0:29:34.720 --> 0:29:37.080 Really is so scary. I know we say this all 0:29:37.080 --> 0:29:37.320 the time. 0:29:37.360 --> 0:29:38.800 I know we say the haunting thing all the time, 0:29:38.800 --> 0:29:40.760 and you guys are coming for us and being funny 0:29:40.800 --> 0:29:43.440 about it online, and we do say it. This is 0:29:43.480 --> 0:29:46.440 one of my top five episodes that like, oh my god, 0:29:46.520 --> 0:29:48.280 scares the absolute fuck out of me. When I think 0:29:48.280 --> 0:29:49.920 about it, I remember watching this and going this is 0:29:49.960 --> 0:29:53.080 even too much for SVU, Like chasing someone through a 0:29:53.080 --> 0:29:56.880 fucking wooded area, hunting them. Yeah, I'm like, I just 0:29:56.880 --> 0:30:00.240 want I can't r Yeah, well, get ready. 0:30:00.520 --> 0:30:03.040 So we cut to like so the dog is barking 0:30:03.080 --> 0:30:05.520 and running, the man is holding a gun running through 0:30:05.520 --> 0:30:07.920 the woods, and then our blonde girl is running with 0:30:08.000 --> 0:30:11.280 wounds and she looks tight, I mean, she looks worn 0:30:11.320 --> 0:30:14.560 out and it's just really scary. And the dog is 0:30:14.600 --> 0:30:17.040 a fucking narc and leads the man to the girls. 0:30:17.800 --> 0:30:18.480 And then there's like. 0:30:18.400 --> 0:30:21.120 A red laser next to Haley that's like the same 0:30:21.200 --> 0:30:23.640 kind of laser you would use to distract a cat, 0:30:24.200 --> 0:30:27.160 and it narrowly misses her arm, and then she keeps 0:30:27.160 --> 0:30:29.800 on running and then we leave and we're. 0:30:29.640 --> 0:30:32.680 Like what the fuck, Like this is too much. 0:30:33.160 --> 0:30:35.640 So we get scoop from one of the other agencies 0:30:35.760 --> 0:30:39.560 that a sex worker thought that he was a creep 0:30:39.600 --> 0:30:42.120 and didn't get into the car and that she ran away. 0:30:43.000 --> 0:30:45.640 So they find out that there was a woman who 0:30:46.240 --> 0:30:47.960 went on a date with him, you know, for money 0:30:47.960 --> 0:30:51.040 and everything, and then she got bad vibes and was 0:30:51.080 --> 0:30:52.920 creeped out and she didn't get in the car. So 0:30:52.920 --> 0:30:55.280 they have to find this woman to get information from her. 0:30:56.080 --> 0:30:58.000 But then Benson and Munch are like, let's go to 0:30:58.000 --> 0:31:00.360 the Village Voice and see if he can of us 0:31:00.400 --> 0:31:05.600 information on who puts out ads. So everyone's just working, Okay, 0:31:05.680 --> 0:31:09.280 it's SVU. They're at fucking work. And the guy that 0:31:09.400 --> 0:31:11.640 works at the Village Voice, I was like, I know 0:31:11.760 --> 0:31:14.000 him from somewhere. He kind of looks like the guy 0:31:14.000 --> 0:31:16.640 who wrote Game of Thrones, but it's not him. It's 0:31:16.680 --> 0:31:21.040 the guy from Big Daddy. I've seen Big Daddy, you do. 0:31:21.160 --> 0:31:24.120 He's the foster care guy. He's like the child services 0:31:24.160 --> 0:31:26.800 guy who's like, excuse me, you lied? 0:31:26.920 --> 0:31:27.840 I know you don't remember. 0:31:28.520 --> 0:31:31.240 He's also from Rounders, which is one of my favorite 0:31:31.240 --> 0:31:33.320 movies ever. I had a big Edward Norton face for 0:31:33.440 --> 0:31:37.040 a big part of my youth. But he was at 0:31:37.120 --> 0:31:38.920 one of the poker tables, so he's one of the friends, 0:31:38.960 --> 0:31:40.760 so I was really happy to see him. He has 0:31:40.800 --> 0:31:45.640 sixty six credits on IMDb. Is he's busy. He obviously 0:31:45.720 --> 0:31:51.560 is not sharing sources. Obviously this was a waste of guess, honestly, Like, 0:31:52.120 --> 0:31:55.480 there's no way a guy in journalism is sharing. 0:31:55.320 --> 0:31:57.520 Sources or a thing or anything. 0:31:58.080 --> 0:32:00.760 And he thinks this is just payback against the paper 0:32:00.800 --> 0:32:04.320 for being anti cop and Marishka is like nah, bro, 0:32:04.600 --> 0:32:07.120 like you're on the wrong side here, and there's a 0:32:07.120 --> 0:32:08.920 girl missing and this isn't payback. 0:32:08.960 --> 0:32:11.840 We don't care what you say about us. 0:32:12.320 --> 0:32:15.080 So Robin's in Tomorrow knock on a woman's door, who 0:32:15.200 --> 0:32:19.720 is the score that like was scared of Brewster and left, 0:32:20.560 --> 0:32:23.400 But immediately there's like a husband behind and you could 0:32:23.400 --> 0:32:25.920 tell he's controlling. He has the vibe of Justin Timberlake 0:32:25.920 --> 0:32:26.840 in the movie Black Snake. 0:32:26.960 --> 0:32:27.720 M mop completely. 0:32:30.120 --> 0:32:32.120 Yes, I didn't think it, but when you said it, 0:32:32.160 --> 0:32:34.120 I'm like, I know exactly where this is going. 0:32:34.240 --> 0:32:35.520 Yeah, Anna Marine Tattoo. 0:32:35.520 --> 0:32:37.480 You could tell he's kind of controlling, like the way 0:32:37.480 --> 0:32:38.400 he comes at her. 0:32:38.440 --> 0:32:39.640 I don't really love that energy. 0:32:39.680 --> 0:32:42.040 That's not for me, but they sort of do that 0:32:42.120 --> 0:32:44.200 to show that Tomorrow like knows how to talk to 0:32:44.240 --> 0:32:45.160 military guys. 0:32:45.600 --> 0:32:47.920 Yeah, and then the girl did a great job acting 0:32:47.960 --> 0:32:50.080 where it's like she can't talk in front of him. 0:32:50.160 --> 0:32:53.560 They need to get her fucking story, and so they 0:32:53.640 --> 0:32:55.680 come up with a cover story that there's a groper 0:32:55.760 --> 0:32:58.920 in the neighborhood and they need them to id some people, 0:32:59.560 --> 0:33:03.080 and Marrow leans in like you're the Marines. My wife's there, 0:33:03.200 --> 0:33:05.760 I'm this, we need your high. If anyone's gonna know 0:33:05.840 --> 0:33:08.840 something shady, it's a marine and it just proves how 0:33:08.920 --> 0:33:11.400 dumb marines are. I mean, I don't know, like he 0:33:11.600 --> 0:33:15.800 fell for it. So they go to the precinct to 0:33:15.920 --> 0:33:18.920 like look at some photos and get some information, and 0:33:19.200 --> 0:33:22.120 then we cut to fucking Harry Connick Junior and Benson 0:33:22.160 --> 0:33:23.960 at a donut shop and she has a funny joke. 0:33:24.000 --> 0:33:27.720 She goes, you know how to Laura Cop love that. 0:33:28.720 --> 0:33:31.240 I meanwhile, I've like never seen Benson need a donut 0:33:31.320 --> 0:33:33.600 on the show. No one actually. 0:33:33.360 --> 0:33:36.880 Maybe fit they have them in the background, but like 0:33:37.360 --> 0:33:41.000 I've never seen Benson just like chowing down on a blaze. 0:33:41.040 --> 0:33:41.360 You know what. 0:33:41.400 --> 0:33:44.320 Other episode remember where they're all like having to testify 0:33:45.360 --> 0:33:49.040 and the episode is like a yeah episode. 0:33:48.200 --> 0:33:49.280 Where they're in that back room. 0:33:49.680 --> 0:33:52.760 I feel like there might be storyline there with the 0:33:53.080 --> 0:33:55.200 with the bailiff write in and let us know what 0:33:55.280 --> 0:33:55.920 we're missing. 0:33:56.360 --> 0:33:58.360 Yeah, the bailiff is like, I take one of these 0:33:58.400 --> 0:34:00.200 to my wife. 0:34:00.840 --> 0:34:04.400 I actually love donuts. No, I love donuts too. 0:34:04.480 --> 0:34:07.360 I'm just saying it's funny, like cop stereotype, and yet 0:34:07.400 --> 0:34:09.240 we never see these cops really eating donuts. 0:34:09.440 --> 0:34:12.680 Yeah, I really like donuts. I don't think they. 0:34:12.680 --> 0:34:15.319 Get enough credit. I mean, and you just moved to 0:34:15.320 --> 0:34:17.719 Los Angeles. There's a donut shop. I mean, there's a 0:34:17.760 --> 0:34:19.960 don't shop every two feet here. I know, but I 0:34:20.000 --> 0:34:21.360 just feel everyone's. 0:34:20.920 --> 0:34:22.839 Like cupcake, cupcake, cupcake, and. 0:34:22.800 --> 0:34:27.080 It's like, donuts are better. I love donuts. I'm glad. 0:34:27.280 --> 0:34:30.800 Okay, So the Village Voice puts out an article about 0:34:30.840 --> 0:34:33.560 how the girls are working alone and not with pimps, 0:34:34.200 --> 0:34:37.080 and basically it's saying, if there aren't pimps, then the 0:34:37.160 --> 0:34:39.839 Voice can't be an accessory. I don't really understand this 0:34:40.120 --> 0:34:44.040 at all, but okay, but Benson really believes they're facilitating 0:34:44.120 --> 0:34:48.279 underage sex trafficking. The paper hasn't broken laws, but she's like, 0:34:48.320 --> 0:34:49.440 we know what's going on. 0:34:49.520 --> 0:34:51.880 We all know. I just can't. 0:34:52.719 --> 0:34:56.200 But Harry Connick Junior is saying, I can't get involved 0:34:56.239 --> 0:34:59.040 with any of your cases because I want our relationship 0:34:59.040 --> 0:35:00.360 to work, and that's not going to be. Okay, And 0:35:00.400 --> 0:35:02.560 they kiss at the donut shop. I did write, oh 0:35:02.640 --> 0:35:04.600 my god, they kiss in the donut shop in all caps. 0:35:04.680 --> 0:35:07.680 So it's not like I fully don't care, but okay, 0:35:07.760 --> 0:35:08.799 all right, I'll accept that. 0:35:09.320 --> 0:35:12.160 Benson gets a text. Obviously it's not fun. It's the 0:35:12.239 --> 0:35:15.520 missing girl's mother. So Benson has to go straight to work. 0:35:15.960 --> 0:35:17.560 So they're back at the precinct with the girl who 0:35:17.600 --> 0:35:20.080 got away, and she's just like, I just didn't like 0:35:20.160 --> 0:35:22.160 the vibe. The dog was in the back, I saw 0:35:22.239 --> 0:35:24.799 shovels and I was like no, And he wanted to 0:35:24.800 --> 0:35:27.480 take her to a beach thirty minutes away and just drive. 0:35:27.520 --> 0:35:29.680 And she said she was sick and ran away. And 0:35:29.680 --> 0:35:31.600 this is what we always talk about, like follow your 0:35:31.640 --> 0:35:35.560 fucking instincts, like don't, it's not good. But she says 0:35:37.040 --> 0:35:40.640 she remembers gray jeep. There was a bumper sticker. I'd 0:35:40.680 --> 0:35:45.760 either said MV or MVY. So she's been very helpful 0:35:45.800 --> 0:35:50.200 to the investigation, I would say. The mom gets another 0:35:50.320 --> 0:35:56.120 voicemail and basically it's really scary. She sounds very weak 0:35:56.200 --> 0:35:58.680 and she's saying I'm cold, I don't want to play anymore. 0:35:58.800 --> 0:36:01.960 But if I stop, he'll care. Help me, help me please. 0:36:03.200 --> 0:36:05.200 So we listen to the voicemail and then we have 0:36:05.239 --> 0:36:08.400 a morrow. With the clues that they got from the 0:36:08.400 --> 0:36:11.160 woman who escaped. They figure out that the dog is 0:36:11.200 --> 0:36:14.839 a blue healer and it's a hunting dog, and they 0:36:14.960 --> 0:36:18.960 figure out that MB is a beach that's thirty minutes away, 0:36:19.440 --> 0:36:21.439 and so they're trying to just connect all of these 0:36:21.480 --> 0:36:25.360 things and they're doing a really good job. So Benson 0:36:25.400 --> 0:36:28.759 and Tomorrow go down to this beach MB area Manhattan Beach. 0:36:28.800 --> 0:36:30.359 Why do I keep saying that? So they go down 0:36:30.400 --> 0:36:33.200 to Manhattan Beach because they say a lot of like 0:36:33.239 --> 0:36:35.240 a lot of cops live there and work there or something. 0:36:35.520 --> 0:36:37.759 And they're talking to a cop who recognizes none of 0:36:37.760 --> 0:36:40.319 the girls, but he remembers the dog and the dog 0:36:40.360 --> 0:36:42.800 had no leash, and he remembers the shovel in the car. 0:36:42.840 --> 0:36:45.160 But he felt bad for that guy because he was like, oh, yeah, 0:36:45.160 --> 0:36:49.480 I just had to bury another dog, So so he 0:36:49.600 --> 0:36:52.560 let him go. And this is like a perfect thing 0:36:52.640 --> 0:36:55.759 where like I love when guys are like, oh, yeah, 0:36:55.760 --> 0:36:57.600 he's so cool and then women are like he's a 0:36:57.640 --> 0:37:02.359 fucking creep that It's like something like this where people 0:37:02.400 --> 0:37:05.960 are like, uh, he's creepy, and this guy just had 0:37:06.280 --> 0:37:07.840 no no. 0:37:07.719 --> 0:37:10.120 God, men just don't tend to have the same feelers 0:37:10.200 --> 0:37:11.880 for it. They just like don't They're like, yeah, it 0:37:11.920 --> 0:37:13.560 was just a guy with a shovel burying another dog. 0:37:13.640 --> 0:37:17.320 And girls are like that man is creepy times a thousand. 0:37:17.440 --> 0:37:17.600 Yeah. 0:37:17.600 --> 0:37:20.840 I watched some really bad crime doc on Netflix and 0:37:21.320 --> 0:37:23.839 this hotel owner who housed this guy was like, yeah, 0:37:23.840 --> 0:37:25.760 he seems so chill. And then they showed his photo 0:37:25.800 --> 0:37:26.200 and I'm like. 0:37:27.000 --> 0:37:29.360 This is the creepy I've ever seen the picture to me, 0:37:29.440 --> 0:37:30.000 how creepy? 0:37:30.520 --> 0:37:31.640 Yeah, still photo. 0:37:32.520 --> 0:37:34.840 So they head to the beach with all these German 0:37:34.880 --> 0:37:39.319 shepherd working dogs and they find so many bodies, like 0:37:41.120 --> 0:37:45.640 it is so oh god, Like Benson says, they need backup, 0:37:46.239 --> 0:37:49.080 and it's kind of like the moment in the craft 0:37:49.200 --> 0:37:52.399 where all the whales come up on shore. They zoom 0:37:52.440 --> 0:37:54.879 it on Benson's face looking horrified, and then they pan 0:37:55.000 --> 0:37:57.719 out and it's just like holy shit, there's like it's just. 0:37:57.800 --> 0:38:01.439 Body because it's all the German shepherds sitting still where 0:38:01.440 --> 0:38:02.960 they find the because that's what the dogs do. 0:38:03.120 --> 0:38:04.560 Like I think people think. 0:38:04.360 --> 0:38:06.400 That dogs, like drug dogs or whatever, will come up 0:38:06.400 --> 0:38:07.920 to you and be like r fro you have pot 0:38:08.040 --> 0:38:09.560 or whatever. No, they come up to you and they 0:38:09.600 --> 0:38:12.240 sit in front of you quietly. So that's like what happens. 0:38:12.239 --> 0:38:13.960 These dogs are like, we found what we were looking for, 0:38:14.040 --> 0:38:16.040 and they just sit in front of these like graves. 0:38:16.520 --> 0:38:18.800 So it's creepy, it's very like eerie. 0:38:18.840 --> 0:38:21.200 And then it's like you, when do you find the 0:38:21.239 --> 0:38:23.799 time to bury these bodies when no one is out, 0:38:23.880 --> 0:38:27.239 like there's no teens fucking on the beach, Like, I 0:38:27.360 --> 0:38:29.480 just don't understand how he has gotten away with it, 0:38:29.520 --> 0:38:32.359 and I really don't like this moment. Melinda is on 0:38:32.400 --> 0:38:34.920 the scene giving all the scoop and she says, this 0:38:35.040 --> 0:38:38.520 used to be a horse burial ground, but they found 0:38:38.920 --> 0:38:42.680 seven bodies as of now. The freshest body they found 0:38:42.800 --> 0:38:46.200 has been thirty days and the dogs wouldn't have missed Haley. 0:38:46.320 --> 0:38:49.480 So Haley's not there because it's such a fresh body. 0:38:49.800 --> 0:38:52.400 Harry Connock Junior shows up, so I guess he's getting 0:38:52.400 --> 0:38:54.919 involved because I don't. 0:38:55.000 --> 0:38:55.839 I don't know he. 0:38:56.120 --> 0:38:58.400 Now it's very high profile, Okay, now he has to 0:38:58.400 --> 0:39:00.960 get involved. I mean, it's like, seven bodies on the beach, 0:39:01.040 --> 0:39:01.319 that's a. 0:39:01.280 --> 0:39:04.680 Lot, Okay. Marishka has a belt over her coat. Do 0:39:04.760 --> 0:39:07.480 people do this? It seemed like of the time. I 0:39:07.560 --> 0:39:09.920 just can't imagine wanting. I remember though, when. 0:39:09.800 --> 0:39:11.600 The trench coats kind of came back and everyone was 0:39:11.640 --> 0:39:14.080 belting them. I had a belted coat. Actually when I 0:39:14.120 --> 0:39:16.839 lived in Italy. Yeah it's cold. Who care, I just 0:39:17.000 --> 0:39:19.920 I don't know. I'm not into winterwear. But she had 0:39:19.960 --> 0:39:20.720 a belted coat. 0:39:21.040 --> 0:39:24.880 So amorrow is in the bunk bedroom, face facetiming his wife, 0:39:24.920 --> 0:39:28.200 Laura Benatti, and they have a very uncomfortable conversation about 0:39:28.200 --> 0:39:31.319 Candy Corn. I don't know what connected these two. They 0:39:31.360 --> 0:39:35.200 have absolutely no chemistry, no love. No, this is a 0:39:35.239 --> 0:39:38.040 dead marriage. I don't know like it is. 0:39:38.320 --> 0:39:40.920 And then he yells at her and she's like, I'm 0:39:40.920 --> 0:39:42.000 sorry to call you. 0:39:42.080 --> 0:39:46.520 I'm at war. And he's like, I'm worried sick. And 0:39:46.560 --> 0:39:49.520 she's like, you're worried sick. And I'm like, just end this. 0:39:49.760 --> 0:39:51.840 I like fucking she used some love in my neighborhood 0:39:51.880 --> 0:39:53.200 in New York, and I've seen her in person. 0:39:53.320 --> 0:39:56.759 She's very beautiful and very talented. She is she's a 0:39:56.800 --> 0:39:59.879 Broadway baby. Yeah, I hate the married married. 0:40:00.200 --> 0:40:02.600 You're right, Nope, you're right. Okay. 0:40:02.640 --> 0:40:04.360 So all the women that are found have no ideas, 0:40:04.719 --> 0:40:07.520 and they were all exphyxiated, and they all had ketamine 0:40:07.520 --> 0:40:10.920 in their talk screen. And they find one cadaver that 0:40:11.000 --> 0:40:15.040 had veneers and we I didn't mention this, but earlier, 0:40:15.120 --> 0:40:17.600 the scuzzy guy in the polo shirt that was the 0:40:17.719 --> 0:40:22.200 sat tutor slash pimp. He was saying that he bought 0:40:22.360 --> 0:40:24.920 roxy veneers and then she disappeared and he was pissed 0:40:24.960 --> 0:40:28.400 because he invested ten grand into her veneers. But the 0:40:28.480 --> 0:40:32.480 veneers were dirty as hell and so like, that's not 0:40:32.600 --> 0:40:35.640 what you do with veneers. And there were acorns found 0:40:35.719 --> 0:40:40.080 in her gi tracked, so they realize she's been foraging 0:40:40.200 --> 0:40:43.920 for survival and her under arms and legs are unshaved. 0:40:44.000 --> 0:40:48.040 That's not really a sex worker vibe. So they they're 0:40:48.160 --> 0:40:51.560 figuring out what's going on, and she had ticks, and 0:40:51.600 --> 0:40:55.239 Melinda says tick DNA is cataloged for lime disease, so 0:40:55.239 --> 0:40:58.560 they're about to find out exactly where these ticks are 0:40:58.719 --> 0:40:59.840 and find a location. 0:41:00.080 --> 0:41:01.680 So that's really exciting. 0:41:02.280 --> 0:41:06.239 So the tick DNA takes us to Ulster County in 0:41:06.280 --> 0:41:10.040 the Catskills, and there's a super cool doctor there who 0:41:10.080 --> 0:41:12.080 loves ticks, and she kind of has the same haircut 0:41:12.080 --> 0:41:13.880 as me. I do have a fresh haircut, and me 0:41:13.920 --> 0:41:17.760 and her had the same vibe, and she remembers someone 0:41:17.800 --> 0:41:21.239 on k coming in to the hospital pretty roughed up. 0:41:21.560 --> 0:41:23.920 They treated her, but she couldn't remember anything. And I 0:41:23.920 --> 0:41:26.440 guess that's what special k does. It fucks with your 0:41:26.480 --> 0:41:27.840 memory and it's a trink. 0:41:28.880 --> 0:41:30.080 And she kept. 0:41:29.840 --> 0:41:34.240 Saying, Brewster, Brewster, Brewster. So obviously they need to find 0:41:34.360 --> 0:41:38.759 this girl. And the doctor says, listen, I took her 0:41:38.800 --> 0:41:39.719 to the psych ward. 0:41:39.760 --> 0:41:41.200 She might still be there. She is. 0:41:41.239 --> 0:41:45.120 She's a super super sad teen. She's in the psych 0:41:45.200 --> 0:41:47.880 unit at the library. There's a chess set on the 0:41:47.920 --> 0:41:50.720 table and she just keeps saying, nobody believe me. Nobody 0:41:50.719 --> 0:41:53.640 believed me. And she was actually in another SVU episode 0:41:53.640 --> 0:41:57.200 that is a favorite amongst the listeners, PC with Kathy Griffin. Yeah, 0:41:57.320 --> 0:41:59.839 she played the character Mina, but I don't remember who, 0:42:00.360 --> 0:42:04.640 but she is an sv comeback. She has a giant 0:42:04.719 --> 0:42:06.680 scar on her neck that looks so fucked up the 0:42:06.680 --> 0:42:10.400 makeup department, like really went in there. She said she 0:42:10.480 --> 0:42:12.799 did it to herself. It's the only way to end 0:42:12.840 --> 0:42:15.439 the game. And there's a lot of scary background noise 0:42:15.480 --> 0:42:17.960 in music and so I assume in the real world 0:42:18.640 --> 0:42:21.799 this is when the commercial would hit. So she's in 0:42:21.880 --> 0:42:25.440 the psych unit talking to the detectives and she explains 0:42:25.480 --> 0:42:28.440 that Brewster gave her the rope and said, if you 0:42:28.480 --> 0:42:31.160 want to end the game, you can use this, and 0:42:31.239 --> 0:42:34.279 she tried to and the fucking branch broke, which is 0:42:35.320 --> 0:42:39.319 it's all devastating, honestly. And then the game that we 0:42:39.480 --> 0:42:42.880 learn is he hunts these girls with the dog in 0:42:42.920 --> 0:42:46.040 the woods. He shoots them with a dart gun with ketamine, 0:42:46.160 --> 0:42:47.879 so they can't move their arms and legs, but they're 0:42:47.920 --> 0:42:50.080 awake for everything, which is so fucked up. 0:42:50.400 --> 0:42:51.560 He brings them back to. 0:42:51.560 --> 0:42:54.279 His shack and then rapes them, and then the game 0:42:54.400 --> 0:42:57.600 keeps starting over and over again, and so Benson asks 0:42:57.680 --> 0:43:02.080 he hunted you and ugh, and so then they also 0:43:02.120 --> 0:43:04.120 need to know how she escaped. So there was an 0:43:04.200 --> 0:43:07.319 electric fence and so it was raining one day and 0:43:07.360 --> 0:43:09.720 she decided, oh, I'm just going to touch the fence 0:43:09.760 --> 0:43:13.040 and die with electric currents. But the power was out 0:43:13.440 --> 0:43:15.880 and so she didn't get electrocuted to death, which I 0:43:15.880 --> 0:43:18.440 think is great. And she got to climb over the 0:43:18.480 --> 0:43:21.200 fence and run away and ran into the hospital where 0:43:21.200 --> 0:43:22.960 no one fucking believed her. 0:43:23.160 --> 0:43:24.000 Oh my god. 0:43:26.200 --> 0:43:29.640 She also gives us other information about how like she 0:43:29.640 --> 0:43:32.279 would sometimes hide under the shack, there was like a 0:43:32.360 --> 0:43:35.840 crawl space but he would always know that she was 0:43:35.880 --> 0:43:37.759 in there and would clean his gun and talk to 0:43:37.800 --> 0:43:39.719 the dog and say everything he was going to do 0:43:39.800 --> 0:43:40.160 to her. 0:43:40.960 --> 0:43:41.879 So that was fucked up. 0:43:42.320 --> 0:43:44.560 And then but Benson is like, don't worry, girl, we're 0:43:44.560 --> 0:43:46.000 going to get you home, and she goes, I don't 0:43:46.000 --> 0:43:46.560 want to go home. 0:43:46.600 --> 0:43:47.200 I'm safe here. 0:43:47.239 --> 0:43:49.000 He can't get me and if anyone cared about me, 0:43:49.000 --> 0:43:50.200 they would have found me already. 0:43:50.239 --> 0:43:53.160 So soul crushing. Yikes. 0:43:53.560 --> 0:43:55.680 There's another hangout in the precinct. They're trying to figure 0:43:55.680 --> 0:43:58.440 out what they're going to do. There's a wildlife preserve 0:43:58.560 --> 0:44:01.759 that's close to the beach and to Pansy Bridge and 0:44:01.960 --> 0:44:08.800 the Tapencie Tapenzie. I'm gonna name my future pet Tapanzi. 0:44:10.200 --> 0:44:15.160 So Hudson you. Of course they're behind fucking everything. They 0:44:16.040 --> 0:44:19.280 New York University just own a preserve in the cat Skills. 0:44:19.320 --> 0:44:20.800 It's like too fucking much. 0:44:21.480 --> 0:44:24.719 So they own the preserve and they're like, should we 0:44:24.719 --> 0:44:27.720 get the State police or FBI involved in Craigan's. 0:44:27.320 --> 0:44:30.000 Like, ough, the State Police, get the FBI out of here. 0:44:30.080 --> 0:44:31.160 So I like that a little bit. 0:44:31.760 --> 0:44:35.160 So Amaro calls Hudson you, and there's one Hudson you 0:44:35.239 --> 0:44:38.959 employee named Graham Winger and he's the gamekeeper there. He's 0:44:39.000 --> 0:44:46.239 thirty nine and Brewster is an alias. So Phil, I'm 0:44:46.320 --> 0:44:48.799 loving you calling Finn Phil all day. It's really making 0:44:48.840 --> 0:44:49.239 me laugh. 0:44:49.320 --> 0:44:49.760 Sorry. 0:44:49.920 --> 0:44:53.120 So Finn and Rollins are and I love their dynamic. 0:44:53.600 --> 0:44:57.880 But they are at Graham Winger's apartment in Manhattan Beach 0:44:57.920 --> 0:45:02.080 and they're looking through shit and they find darts, they 0:45:02.120 --> 0:45:05.800 find drug books, lots of evidence, and he logged his kills, 0:45:05.840 --> 0:45:08.760 all the stats how long they survived, like a murder journal. 0:45:09.440 --> 0:45:13.560 And then it's so they're getting ready to like attack 0:45:13.640 --> 0:45:16.799 the woods and like find everyone. And the main cop 0:45:16.880 --> 0:45:19.520 is giving all the cop finders directions and he goes, 0:45:19.560 --> 0:45:23.600 if you get lost, use your GPS if you need that. 0:45:23.760 --> 0:45:25.920 Note. I don't think you shouldn't be a cop, no, 0:45:27.880 --> 0:45:32.360 I mean I would know that. So they're hitting the woods. 0:45:32.400 --> 0:45:35.760 The dog senses something, the birds fly, I mean, everything's 0:45:35.800 --> 0:45:39.480 going down, and they find the shack. They find the 0:45:39.520 --> 0:45:42.360 car with the shovel of the mbstick or everything, and 0:45:42.520 --> 0:45:45.600 Marishka has a midhead ponytail and she's pulling it off. 0:45:45.640 --> 0:45:47.480 I like when she has that little ponytail. I like 0:45:47.520 --> 0:45:48.280 that look on her. 0:45:48.760 --> 0:45:53.880 And they finally find Hayley. She is like freezing on 0:45:53.920 --> 0:45:54.319 a cot. 0:45:54.480 --> 0:45:57.799 She's in jeans, dirty, and she looks like blue like 0:45:57.880 --> 0:46:00.279 she has like her skin is like light blue, like 0:46:00.320 --> 0:46:01.359 it looks it's bad. 0:46:01.600 --> 0:46:04.960 It's bad. Yeah, they found her right on time. 0:46:05.800 --> 0:46:09.640 Amaro leaves to check the perimeter and Benson's chatting with 0:46:09.719 --> 0:46:11.600 her and says, I know your drugs. 0:46:11.600 --> 0:46:12.960 Squeeze my hand if you understand. 0:46:13.000 --> 0:46:18.080 She squeezes her hand, and then Brewster enters the shack, 0:46:18.320 --> 0:46:19.120 no glasses on. 0:46:19.640 --> 0:46:21.640 Is he wearing contacts when he hunts? I don't get it. 0:46:21.680 --> 0:46:23.719 Know that seems like that's when you would need your 0:46:23.719 --> 0:46:27.640 eyesight the most. Yeah, and he's armed and dangerous. 0:46:27.880 --> 0:46:31.200 He is super rude, points gun at Benson and he's like, 0:46:31.239 --> 0:46:32.799 I'm gonna make you play the game. I'm gonna hunt 0:46:32.840 --> 0:46:36.279 your dumb mass and so the dog barks because he 0:46:36.360 --> 0:46:39.640 senses tomorrow. But Brewster doesn't see tomorrow. So that's great news, 0:46:40.120 --> 0:46:45.160 and surprise, surprise. He's an inceelm. I you know, whenever 0:46:45.200 --> 0:46:48.000 we try to like figure out serial killers in their 0:46:48.040 --> 0:46:51.040 minds and what's up their inceells. Okay, they feel entitled 0:46:51.200 --> 0:46:53.400 to women and their bodies and when they don't get it. 0:46:53.680 --> 0:46:56.640 They feel there's like victims of something and they have 0:46:56.719 --> 0:46:58.719 to go murder women who just don't want to fuck 0:46:58.760 --> 0:47:02.200 them because they're fucking crazy. So he goes on about 0:47:02.239 --> 0:47:05.319 breeding and eating and hunting and how nature. He loves 0:47:05.360 --> 0:47:08.279 it because they don't lie and animals are straightforward, not 0:47:08.400 --> 0:47:11.239 like whores. They're always lying about what they want. I 0:47:11.320 --> 0:47:14.080 held the door open, I bought dinner. They look past 0:47:14.160 --> 0:47:17.000 me until I pay them, And it's like, if you're 0:47:17.000 --> 0:47:19.560 holding the door open to get something in return, you 0:47:19.600 --> 0:47:22.600 are not nice. I don't think any of our listeners 0:47:22.680 --> 0:47:26.880 need to hear that. Benson's kind of trying to like 0:47:27.640 --> 0:47:30.520 it's okay, Like I think you're a good guy, right, Yeah, 0:47:30.560 --> 0:47:34.279 Benson does her you're in charge, you're in charge, and 0:47:34.360 --> 0:47:36.759 she goes, I'm not lying. I don't lie, and then 0:47:36.800 --> 0:47:40.000 he goes, you're reaching for your ankle gun and it's like, yeah, 0:47:41.440 --> 0:47:44.560 she's a hunter. Why are you fucking with him like this? 0:47:45.040 --> 0:47:47.799 So she has to give the ankle gun and you 0:47:47.840 --> 0:47:51.800 could tell Benson is not given up, but we rarely 0:47:51.840 --> 0:47:55.320 see her be like oh fuck, Like she's usually in control, 0:47:55.560 --> 0:47:59.680 even the other like not obviously the William Lewis, Oh. 0:47:59.640 --> 0:48:02.320 God, I can't even think about it. Yeah, stops asking 0:48:02.400 --> 0:48:04.359 us to do that episode. We're too scared. We don't 0:48:04.360 --> 0:48:05.040 want to watch it. 0:48:05.520 --> 0:48:09.120 Maybe here three Okay, yeah, we all want to fuck 0:48:09.160 --> 0:48:12.759 Pablo Schreiber. We don't want to rewatch the episode. But 0:48:13.520 --> 0:48:16.120 I'm thinking of another hostage moment, like she's usually un control, 0:48:16.160 --> 0:48:18.920 but we could tell she's kind of scared. And then 0:48:19.520 --> 0:48:25.560 amorro under the floorboards walaying down, shoots him twice and 0:48:25.719 --> 0:48:26.960 murders that motherfucker. 0:48:27.320 --> 0:48:29.000 It's a cool shot because you're like, where did the 0:48:29.000 --> 0:48:31.200 bullet come from? And then it's like Amara was under 0:48:31.239 --> 0:48:33.320 the fucking shack, like it it's a cool shot. 0:48:33.920 --> 0:48:36.680 Yeah, he saves the day. I'm so happy. 0:48:37.480 --> 0:48:43.280 And then finn Is like, wow, nurses birds, but hunts women. Okay, thanks, 0:48:45.440 --> 0:48:48.920 Haley's in the ic. You She's gonna make it. Cragan 0:48:49.000 --> 0:48:51.240 sends Tomorrow home even though it is a good shot, 0:48:51.520 --> 0:48:53.920 they have to review it and they have to figure 0:48:53.920 --> 0:48:56.000 it out, and Benson says, I wouldn't be here if 0:48:56.040 --> 0:48:58.759 it wasn't for him. It is his first kill, so 0:48:58.880 --> 0:49:01.719 he's having like a moment, and then he realizes he 0:49:01.760 --> 0:49:03.960 should call his wife, who has to kill people all the. 0:49:03.920 --> 0:49:05.680 Time maybe or something like that. 0:49:05.719 --> 0:49:08.680 And they actually have like a nice conversation in you know, 0:49:08.719 --> 0:49:12.160 the bunk bedroom that they have, and she's pumped that 0:49:12.960 --> 0:49:16.080 you know, he got him. And my last note is 0:49:16.120 --> 0:49:20.680 why did they get married? So that is a hunting 0:49:20.880 --> 0:49:24.560 ground ladies and gentlemen, and sadly it's Kara's turn. 0:49:24.719 --> 0:49:27.920 Yeah, get ready because it's not getting any. 0:49:27.800 --> 0:49:28.399 Better from here. 0:49:43.400 --> 0:49:49.480 Okay, let's get into the real crime that spond that 0:49:49.680 --> 0:49:53.440 horrible episode that truly haunts my dreams. So first I 0:49:53.480 --> 0:49:57.520 want to do a really quick check in about the 0:49:57.560 --> 0:49:59.680 whole back Pages because the way that this episode ends, 0:49:59.760 --> 0:50:02.120 that ha econnig Junior's character is like I'm going to 0:50:02.320 --> 0:50:04.920 take on the back pages. I'm going to show and 0:50:05.040 --> 0:50:08.040 what eventually happened is backpage did get shut down and 0:50:08.080 --> 0:50:10.280 that was not good for sex workers. 0:50:10.320 --> 0:50:11.640 Actually, now I follow a. 0:50:11.600 --> 0:50:16.000 Lot of porn stars and I remember Twitter was like pissed. 0:50:16.200 --> 0:50:20.120 Yeah, So we actually had a very interesting conversation with 0:50:20.320 --> 0:50:23.360 someone that I had met previously at a comedy show. Actually, 0:50:23.360 --> 0:50:26.359 but is a She is a feminist studies scholar who 0:50:26.360 --> 0:50:30.279 writes about labor, sexuality, and social struggle. She teaches Women, 0:50:30.360 --> 0:50:33.200 Gender and Sexuality studies at Washington University in Saint Louis, 0:50:33.200 --> 0:50:35.800 an excellent school, and she has a book called Porn 0:50:35.840 --> 0:50:38.359 Work Out. Her name is doctor Heather Berg. She gave 0:50:38.480 --> 0:50:40.560 us a You should follow her on Twitter. We talked 0:50:40.560 --> 0:50:44.120 about Faster Sessa with her, which are two separate pieces 0:50:44.120 --> 0:50:47.040 of legislation that passed in Congress I believe in twenty seventeen. 0:50:47.080 --> 0:50:49.960 Twenty eighteen, so a few years after this episode that 0:50:50.160 --> 0:50:55.800 took down sites like backpage and ended up really hindering 0:50:55.920 --> 0:50:58.520 a lot of the safety of a lot of sex workers. 0:50:58.920 --> 0:51:01.120 So basically these backpages. 0:51:01.160 --> 0:51:03.520 I know that people think that this contributes to trafficking, 0:51:03.600 --> 0:51:06.080 but if you look at the statistics, it really doesn't. 0:51:06.400 --> 0:51:07.920 The way that they work is that. 0:51:08.000 --> 0:51:11.440 Sex workers can on their own post free or cheaply 0:51:12.040 --> 0:51:15.120 adds for their services and there's no middleman. There's nobody 0:51:15.160 --> 0:51:18.319 taking a cut, there's nobody threatening them or anything like that, 0:51:18.760 --> 0:51:22.400 and their email is protected. They can screen for safety, 0:51:22.440 --> 0:51:25.640 they can run the client's name through sex worker blacklists, 0:51:25.800 --> 0:51:27.520 and you can do all of this online. Like the 0:51:27.560 --> 0:51:30.200 Internet has made sex work a lot safer in a 0:51:30.200 --> 0:51:33.000 lot of ways, but then our government keeps taking away 0:51:33.040 --> 0:51:35.960 a lot of these protections from them in the name 0:51:36.080 --> 0:51:40.279 of stopping sex trafficking and human trafficking, which is a 0:51:40.400 --> 0:51:45.000 very complex issue, and unfortunately our government is never looking 0:51:45.120 --> 0:51:47.319 at what sex workers are actually going through and is 0:51:47.360 --> 0:51:50.239 never talking to them and figuring out what they need 0:51:50.280 --> 0:51:51.360 to actually be safe. 0:51:51.440 --> 0:51:54.879 And what Heather said that I didn't know is most 0:51:54.960 --> 0:51:58.560 human trafficking is other parts of labor. It's most like 0:51:58.680 --> 0:52:02.200 agriculture and like housework. 0:52:02.239 --> 0:52:03.120 I don't know how to say it. 0:52:03.120 --> 0:52:06.680 It's like, yeah, it's agriculture, food service. A lot of 0:52:06.760 --> 0:52:08.440 that is a lot of like the force labor that 0:52:08.520 --> 0:52:09.000 you think of. 0:52:09.280 --> 0:52:12.520 And then she said, a lot of sex trafficking and 0:52:12.600 --> 0:52:16.319 human and that capacity is done often by people that 0:52:16.360 --> 0:52:20.440 you know, it's uncles, fathers, and so they're like conflating 0:52:20.760 --> 0:52:24.000 this issue instead of actually helping sex workers. 0:52:24.360 --> 0:52:26.359 Yeah, and I mean, I've been listening to a lot 0:52:26.360 --> 0:52:28.359 of podcasts about this because I'm really trying to get 0:52:28.480 --> 0:52:31.440 educated on the whole human trafficking and sex trafficking thing. 0:52:31.840 --> 0:52:35.600 And like the numbers of underage people being sex trafficked 0:52:35.640 --> 0:52:39.720 are like minuscule, Like it's really like sex trafficking does happen, 0:52:40.120 --> 0:52:42.440 but it's really not. It's not like kids getting snatched 0:52:42.480 --> 0:52:44.759 off the street and forced into sex labor. And I'm 0:52:44.760 --> 0:52:47.040 not saying that never happens, but it is not the 0:52:47.080 --> 0:52:50.600 epidemic that it's being made out to be. So essentially 0:52:51.160 --> 0:52:54.279 taking out Backpage and doing what SVU is advocating at 0:52:54.280 --> 0:52:56.719 the end of this episode is forcing sex workers to 0:52:56.760 --> 0:52:59.279 work with a pimp, like you can't work independently, and 0:52:59.320 --> 0:53:02.680 this is pushing people towards stuff like debt, bondage and 0:53:02.719 --> 0:53:06.480 things that were we've talked about before on this podcast. 0:53:06.640 --> 0:53:09.239 So there's so much more to talk about with this. 0:53:09.680 --> 0:53:12.560 I really would love to just like do a full 0:53:12.560 --> 0:53:14.680 interview with Heather that we put out on the podcast, 0:53:14.719 --> 0:53:16.279 and maybe we will do that in the future, but 0:53:17.440 --> 0:53:19.880 we'll give you some resources in the Sister Peg segment 0:53:20.400 --> 0:53:23.560 to learn more about this. But I don't in this episode, 0:53:23.680 --> 0:53:26.000 we don't think that SVU is on the right side 0:53:26.040 --> 0:53:29.440 of history. Like when Olivia's like Backpage is helping trafficking, 0:53:29.480 --> 0:53:31.200 it kind of isn't in a lot of ways. 0:53:31.800 --> 0:53:35.560 So it actually helps sex workers stay safer, yeah, right, 0:53:35.840 --> 0:53:37.640 and so have to work with other. 0:53:37.520 --> 0:53:38.719 People, right. 0:53:38.760 --> 0:53:41.279 And also, if it's out there, it's monitored, If you're 0:53:41.480 --> 0:53:43.760 if it's out there, you can see this one agency 0:53:43.800 --> 0:53:46.120 is using sex workers that are under eighteen, or they 0:53:46.160 --> 0:53:50.040 are abusing their their workers. You know, like when everything 0:53:50.120 --> 0:53:52.960 goes underground, it's just so much harder for anyone to 0:53:52.960 --> 0:53:54.040 get fair treatment. 0:53:54.280 --> 0:53:58.320 And it's just like it's frustrating because it's all false, 0:53:58.600 --> 0:54:01.200 like you're saying you care about these people, and then 0:54:01.239 --> 0:54:04.840 when you have someone like Matt Gates or Jeffrey Epstein 0:54:04.920 --> 0:54:07.520 or people that are actually doing these crimes, suddenly you're 0:54:07.560 --> 0:54:10.799 all fucking silent about it. So that's another level that 0:54:10.800 --> 0:54:13.040 pisses me off. It's like you're pretending you care about 0:54:13.040 --> 0:54:16.560 these people and then when issues happen, nothing crickets. 0:54:16.840 --> 0:54:20.879 Right. So this is a much longer conversation, but we 0:54:20.920 --> 0:54:25.640 do have to get into today's crime. So yeah, we 0:54:25.719 --> 0:54:28.560 will share some more info with you during Sister Peg. Now, 0:54:28.680 --> 0:54:32.160 this episode Hunting Ground, some resources are saying that it's 0:54:32.200 --> 0:54:34.880 based on the Long Island Killer. That is like finding 0:54:34.920 --> 0:54:36.840 all those bodies on the beach is reminiscent of the 0:54:36.840 --> 0:54:39.400 Long Island Killer, who still has not been captured and 0:54:39.480 --> 0:54:41.520 is a very fascinating case. But I believe there are 0:54:41.560 --> 0:54:44.399 other svus that focus on that, and we'll hit that later. 0:54:44.520 --> 0:54:49.080 This case is definitely based on Robert Hanson, who aka 0:54:49.200 --> 0:54:53.440 the Butcher Baker of Anchorage, Alaska. Between nineteen seventy one 0:54:53.480 --> 0:54:56.319 and nineteen eighty three, he abducted, raped, and murdered at 0:54:56.400 --> 0:54:59.840 least seventeen women in and around Anchorage. But it's definitely 0:55:00.000 --> 0:55:02.440 more like it's thought to be in the twenties or 0:55:02.440 --> 0:55:06.399 maybe low thirties. His number of victims Alaska is very 0:55:06.440 --> 0:55:08.200 scary to me. I don't know, like, I'm sure we 0:55:08.280 --> 0:55:11.400 have Alaskan listeners who are amazing and cool and it 0:55:11.560 --> 0:55:14.040 seems very beautiful, but for some reason, it's like the 0:55:14.120 --> 0:55:17.600 long darkness periods and just the wilderness of it all 0:55:18.160 --> 0:55:20.000 makes me scared. But I would love to go there 0:55:21.120 --> 0:55:26.320 and an organized on an organized strip. So this guy's 0:55:26.560 --> 0:55:29.440 background is exactly like the episode right out of the 0:55:29.440 --> 0:55:32.480 in Cell's Handbook. He has a stutter and acne. Girls 0:55:32.520 --> 0:55:34.640 ignored him when he was growing up, and he grew 0:55:34.719 --> 0:55:37.439 up hating women and having like revenge fantasies about them. 0:55:38.440 --> 0:55:41.120 He takes up hunting and archery for fun. 0:55:41.719 --> 0:55:44.080 So you know, hunting and archer, I guess sounds kind 0:55:44.080 --> 0:55:46.480 of wholesome, unless you're a serial killer to be, and 0:55:46.480 --> 0:55:48.720 then it's a lot more of a red flag. 0:55:48.719 --> 0:55:50.239 In hunting's not wholesome. 0:55:50.680 --> 0:55:52.960 No, I hate hunting, but there's people that you listen 0:55:53.000 --> 0:55:54.920 to that are like it's part of the circle of life. 0:55:54.719 --> 0:55:56.000 And it's like it's sport. 0:55:56.080 --> 0:55:58.359 I mean, I have a friend whose husband hunts all 0:55:58.400 --> 0:55:59.759 the time and I have to like hide him on 0:55:59.760 --> 0:56:01.960 face book because it's always just him with like an 0:56:02.000 --> 0:56:04.400 innocent deer head, and I like can't stand it. But like, 0:56:05.520 --> 0:56:09.319 you know, it is an American pastime, not wholesome. It's 0:56:09.320 --> 0:56:14.520 not wholesome. Sorry, I stand correct. I'm just saying you 0:56:14.600 --> 0:56:16.880 can't say all hunters are going to be serial killers. 0:56:17.400 --> 0:56:21.479 No, but they're not wholesome. Killing a rabbit's not wholesome. Yeah, 0:56:21.560 --> 0:56:22.479 it's just the wrong word. 0:56:22.640 --> 0:56:23.360 If you eat it. 0:56:24.200 --> 0:56:28.920 Uh oh, it's still not wholesome. Eating meat isn't wholesome. 0:56:29.360 --> 0:56:30.280 Okay. 0:56:30.440 --> 0:56:33.000 That word means like all good, like a daisy. Oh, 0:56:33.160 --> 0:56:35.040 daisy is how wholesome flower? 0:56:35.400 --> 0:56:37.799 You know? I don't know, maybe I don't know the word, 0:56:37.960 --> 0:56:41.680 but it seems like baking a pie or playing scrabble 0:56:41.719 --> 0:56:43.600 with your kids that seems wholesome. 0:56:43.880 --> 0:56:46.920 It says conducive to or suggestive of good health and 0:56:46.960 --> 0:56:48.120 physical well being. 0:56:48.200 --> 0:56:49.640 So, yeah, you're killing an animal. 0:56:49.680 --> 0:56:53.360 I guess it's not I yeah, but you are providing 0:56:53.400 --> 0:56:56.080 food for I don't know anyway, Sorry I said that word. 0:56:56.160 --> 0:56:57.040 Let's cut all of this. 0:56:58.719 --> 0:57:02.720 So in nineteen fifty seven he married a younger woman. 0:57:03.000 --> 0:57:04.759 I mean, he was like eighteen and fifty seven, so 0:57:04.800 --> 0:57:06.440 don't how much younger she could have been or no, 0:57:06.840 --> 0:57:09.840 And then in nineteen sixty he burnt down the school 0:57:09.880 --> 0:57:12.920 bus garage as revenge for being bullied in high school. 0:57:12.920 --> 0:57:14.640 And it's like, guess what, your high school bullies don't 0:57:14.640 --> 0:57:17.600 give a fuck that you burned down the school bus garage, 0:57:17.880 --> 0:57:18.760 Like no one cares. 0:57:18.800 --> 0:57:21.000 I mean, I'm sure you know who cares is like 0:57:21.000 --> 0:57:22.480 the poor kids that have to get to school and 0:57:22.560 --> 0:57:24.320 like don't have a bus anymore. I don't really think 0:57:24.360 --> 0:57:26.480 that the old people are like, well, we should have 0:57:26.480 --> 0:57:30.160 been nicer to Robert anyway. He served twenty months of 0:57:30.200 --> 0:57:32.680 a three year sentence for that, and while in prison, 0:57:32.760 --> 0:57:35.320 he was diagnosed by polar and his wife filed for divorce. 0:57:35.840 --> 0:57:39.440 So now cuts in nineteen sixty seven, he's twenty eight 0:57:39.520 --> 0:57:41.640 years old. He's moved to Anchorage, Alaska. He's got a 0:57:41.680 --> 0:57:44.000 second wife and he's got two children with her. Okay, 0:57:44.400 --> 0:57:46.280 he's liked, He's well liked. 0:57:46.160 --> 0:57:48.600 In the community. It's crazy. His whole issue is like, 0:57:48.640 --> 0:57:51.240 I can't get chicks. Now he's on a second wife. 0:57:51.360 --> 0:57:52.600 I know what is the problem. 0:57:53.000 --> 0:57:55.240 It's too late though by then it's like you hate women. 0:57:55.280 --> 0:57:57.440 And also we'll get into it later. But this is 0:57:57.520 --> 0:57:59.840 like about and we know men like this. This is 0:57:59.840 --> 0:58:02.320 about the there are some good women, and there are, 0:58:02.440 --> 0:58:04.080 but there are a lot of bad women, Like there 0:58:04.080 --> 0:58:05.800 are good and bad women, like there are women whose 0:58:05.800 --> 0:58:07.480 lives don't mean anything, and there are women that are 0:58:07.520 --> 0:58:08.920 like pure and wholesome. 0:58:09.080 --> 0:58:10.160 Who are the people we know? 0:58:10.520 --> 0:58:13.160 We know people who have Madonna and horror complexes for sure. 0:58:13.200 --> 0:58:14.520 We can talk about it off Mike. 0:58:14.640 --> 0:58:19.040 Name name, name name. This is a cancelation podcast now, 0:58:19.280 --> 0:58:19.640 all right. 0:58:20.480 --> 0:58:23.440 So he was well liked, He had hunt he had 0:58:23.480 --> 0:58:26.720 records for hunting, like, he had a successful business as 0:58:26.720 --> 0:58:30.280 a baker. Okay, In nineteen seventy one, around when he 0:58:30.320 --> 0:58:32.720 was thirty two years old, he was arrested two times. 0:58:32.960 --> 0:58:36.080 Once was for the abduction and rape of a housewife, 0:58:36.400 --> 0:58:38.280 and then the second time was for the rape. 0:58:38.080 --> 0:58:38.920 Of a sex worker. 0:58:39.160 --> 0:58:41.800 So this man not only has arson in his past, 0:58:42.280 --> 0:58:46.880 cruelty to animals, and now two crimes against women. By 0:58:46.960 --> 0:58:50.120 nineteen seventy one, he pleaded no contest to assault with 0:58:50.120 --> 0:58:52.960 a deadly weapon in the housewife case, and then the 0:58:53.040 --> 0:58:56.160 rape charge involving the sex worker was dropped as part 0:58:56.200 --> 0:58:56.440 of a. 0:58:56.360 --> 0:58:58.080 Plea bargain, which is insane. 0:58:58.200 --> 0:59:01.920 He got five years in prison, and after serving six months, 0:59:02.560 --> 0:59:05.000 he was placed on a work release program and released 0:59:05.040 --> 0:59:05.840 to a halfway house. 0:59:05.880 --> 0:59:09.240 Like what the fuck, Well, this is just the answer 0:59:09.280 --> 0:59:11.640 when guys or anyone who's like, why doesn't she. 0:59:11.680 --> 0:59:12.320 Go to the cops? 0:59:12.320 --> 0:59:13.920 Go to the cops? Why don't you go to the cops? 0:59:13.920 --> 0:59:15.040 And it's like, go fuck yourself. 0:59:15.080 --> 0:59:15.720 Yeah. 0:59:15.920 --> 0:59:19.800 So in nineteen seventy six, he pleaded guilty to larseny 0:59:19.840 --> 0:59:23.000 when he was caught she stealing a chainsaw from a store, 0:59:23.480 --> 0:59:25.520 and he was sentenced to five years in prison and 0:59:25.600 --> 0:59:28.960 required to receive psychiatric treatment for his bipolar disorder. But 0:59:29.040 --> 0:59:32.520 the Alaskan Supreme Court reduced his sentence and he was 0:59:32.560 --> 0:59:35.360 released with time served, and three out of his four 0:59:35.440 --> 0:59:37.960 murders happened in those five years that he should have 0:59:37.960 --> 0:59:41.680 been in jail. So three of the four murders he 0:59:41.760 --> 0:59:44.720 was convicted for. Excuse me, he has many more. I 0:59:44.760 --> 0:59:46.760 am in rage. I know this is like the most 0:59:46.840 --> 0:59:48.680 enraging case. And it's like, you know what, this guy 0:59:48.760 --> 0:59:51.560 is just like Brewster. He's just like a gram winger 0:59:51.560 --> 0:59:55.040 in the episode, he's got glasses. Everyone's like, Oh, he's unassuming, 0:59:55.080 --> 0:59:58.160 he's a baker, he's got kids. Like all of these 0:59:58.600 --> 1:00:01.280 things that we just like assume make him a good guy. 1:00:01.400 --> 1:00:02.520 You know who else has kids? 1:00:02.600 --> 1:00:07.320 Everybody? Yeah, having kids does not make you a good 1:00:07.400 --> 1:00:10.040 or bad or better or worse person. You are still 1:00:10.040 --> 1:00:10.840 the same, right. 1:00:11.680 --> 1:00:14.160 It's believed that he started killing in nineteen seventy two, 1:00:14.200 --> 1:00:15.880 so he would have been around thirty three when he 1:00:15.880 --> 1:00:18.040 started killing. He would pick up sex workers in his 1:00:18.080 --> 1:00:21.280 car and or like lure them in with money and 1:00:21.320 --> 1:00:24.200 then force them at gunpoint to his cabin where he 1:00:24.240 --> 1:00:25.960 would then rape them, and then he would fly them 1:00:25.960 --> 1:00:30.000 to a secluded area and hunt them. He had a 1:00:30.040 --> 1:00:32.280 two person plane. He had a little like two person 1:00:32.320 --> 1:00:34.760 prop plane, which I bet is like common in Alaska. 1:00:34.880 --> 1:00:36.680 So yeah, he would like get them in this plane 1:00:36.680 --> 1:00:38.720 and like you're at private airports, you're not like going 1:00:38.720 --> 1:00:40.840 through security with like a woman. You know, you're not 1:00:40.880 --> 1:00:43.320 going through TSA. You're just like hopping in your own 1:00:43.360 --> 1:00:45.520 private plane and like puddle jumping over to an area 1:00:45.560 --> 1:00:50.160 where there's nothing like a forest preserve. Essentially, it's so sad. 1:00:50.160 --> 1:00:52.320 It's like Aliyah had to die, but not this guy. 1:00:52.440 --> 1:00:54.080 Why was crashing you are? 1:00:54.240 --> 1:00:54.480 I know. 1:00:56.880 --> 1:00:59.439 That is a crazy way to look at it. Yeah. Yeah. 1:00:59.440 --> 1:01:01.560 And then he would hunt them as if they were 1:01:01.600 --> 1:01:05.480 wild game before shooting or stabbing them. So he is 1:01:05.600 --> 1:01:08.480 known to have raped and assaulted over thirty Alaskan women 1:01:08.520 --> 1:01:11.160 and to have murdered at least seventeen between the ages 1:01:11.160 --> 1:01:13.560 of sixteen and forty one. So a little bit of 1:01:13.600 --> 1:01:16.800 a timeline. In nineteen eighty, the first bodies are found. 1:01:17.000 --> 1:01:20.480 There's a woman is found. She still has not been identified. 1:01:20.720 --> 1:01:22.840 She was found by Ekluttna Road. I'm sorry if I'm 1:01:22.840 --> 1:01:25.840 saying that wrong. And she was dubbed ek Lutna Annie 1:01:25.880 --> 1:01:28.960 by investigators. And she has a Wikipedia page and it's 1:01:28.960 --> 1:01:30.840 like a drawing of what she probably looked like when 1:01:30.840 --> 1:01:31.360 she was alive. 1:01:31.360 --> 1:01:32.000 It's crazy. 1:01:32.400 --> 1:01:34.880 And then later that year the body of Joanna Messina 1:01:34.920 --> 1:01:38.560 was discovered, and then in nineteen eighty two, twenty three 1:01:38.640 --> 1:01:41.280 year old Sherry Moro was discovered in a shallow grave 1:01:41.560 --> 1:01:43.720 near the Nick River. And then in nineteen eighty three, 1:01:43.920 --> 1:01:46.600 Paula Golding is found in a shallow grave on the 1:01:46.600 --> 1:01:48.320 bank of the Nick River. Now, these are the four 1:01:48.360 --> 1:01:50.600 cases that he gets convicted of that I just read. 1:01:50.640 --> 1:01:52.960 There are many more victims, but these are the four 1:01:53.280 --> 1:01:57.600 that he was convicted of. And the creepiest thing about 1:01:57.600 --> 1:01:59.880 Paula when they found her body, she'd been shot in 1:01:59.880 --> 1:02:02.120 the back, but there were no bullet holes in her clothes, 1:02:02.440 --> 1:02:04.800 which means he basically probably hunted her naked and then 1:02:04.920 --> 1:02:07.960 dressed her before he buried her. Just, I mean, just 1:02:08.560 --> 1:02:11.280 so you can't even I gotta stop researching these before 1:02:11.320 --> 1:02:14.560 I go to sleep. Okay, So the last two bodies 1:02:14.560 --> 1:02:17.640 that they found, Paula and Sherry, they were able to link. 1:02:17.760 --> 1:02:21.400 They found bullet casings and ballistics linked these cases together. 1:02:21.440 --> 1:02:23.600 So they're like, we've got a serial killer going on here. 1:02:24.280 --> 1:02:26.440 So then in June ofated nineteen eighty three, a huge 1:02:26.440 --> 1:02:28.320 thing happens. At this point, like they think this guy's 1:02:28.320 --> 1:02:31.080 been killing for over a decade. Now, he offers a 1:02:31.080 --> 1:02:33.680 seventeen year old sex worker named Cindy Paulson two hundred 1:02:33.680 --> 1:02:36.560 dollars for oral sex. She describes him as like wiry, 1:02:37.080 --> 1:02:39.040 you know, six feet tab with glasses in a stutter. 1:02:39.120 --> 1:02:41.280 She didn't think he was threatening, Okay, so she gets 1:02:41.280 --> 1:02:43.600 in his car. He pulls the gun on her, drives 1:02:43.600 --> 1:02:45.920 her to his home, not sure where the wife and 1:02:46.000 --> 1:02:49.080 kids are, holds her captive, like chains her up in 1:02:49.120 --> 1:02:52.640 his den, like her wrists up, and like tortures her 1:02:52.680 --> 1:02:56.280 and sexually assaults her, and then drives her to the 1:02:56.320 --> 1:02:59.720 airport to take her to his little hunting ground, which 1:02:59.760 --> 1:03:02.160 is like a shack in the Nick River area of 1:03:02.200 --> 1:03:05.600 the Matanuska Valley, accessible only by boat or bush plane. 1:03:05.840 --> 1:03:09.920 So it's like you can't even And I Google mapped 1:03:09.960 --> 1:03:12.560 all of this. Like the area where he picked her 1:03:12.600 --> 1:03:14.720 up is like very close to the airport and to 1:03:14.840 --> 1:03:17.280 like dead the downtown of Anchorage, I think. And he 1:03:17.480 --> 1:03:18.880 was like telling her on the way to the airport, 1:03:18.960 --> 1:03:20.440 He's like, I already have a friend who's willing to 1:03:20.480 --> 1:03:22.080 lie to me for my alibi. So like even if 1:03:22.120 --> 1:03:23.840 you were to get away, no one's going to believe you, 1:03:23.960 --> 1:03:26.240 Like I'm I'm clean, Like you're never gonna no one's 1:03:26.240 --> 1:03:27.400 gonna believe you're like you're a. 1:03:27.360 --> 1:03:29.040 Sex worker, blah blah blah. 1:03:29.160 --> 1:03:31.720 While he's loading like a gun into the plane's cockpit 1:03:31.760 --> 1:03:34.040 and doing all like his business to get the plane ready, 1:03:34.400 --> 1:03:36.400 she sees her moment she's handcuffed in the back of 1:03:36.440 --> 1:03:38.960 the car. She runs out of the car. She runs 1:03:39.000 --> 1:03:41.520 onto sixth Avenue, which is like a pretty busy street, 1:03:41.880 --> 1:03:45.640 gets a truck to pick her up. She specifically said 1:03:45.680 --> 1:03:48.880 she left her blue sneakers behind in the car as 1:03:48.920 --> 1:03:49.840 proof that she was there. 1:03:50.040 --> 1:03:52.600 They do this in SVU a lot. I'm always like very. 1:03:52.520 --> 1:03:56.160 Impressed that victims have like the wherewithal to like leave 1:03:56.240 --> 1:03:59.240 earbuds or like leave you know, something that is there 1:03:59.360 --> 1:04:01.479 is behind so that it shows that they were there. 1:04:02.400 --> 1:04:05.240 So she manages to flag down this truck. He drives 1:04:05.240 --> 1:04:07.600 her to this inn. The inn is so close to 1:04:07.600 --> 1:04:09.440 the airport. I mapped all of this to get an 1:04:09.480 --> 1:04:10.960 idea of it. It's like right across the street from 1:04:10.960 --> 1:04:14.440 the airport. And she takes a cab to the Big 1:04:14.480 --> 1:04:16.480 Timber Hotel to meet her boyfriend. But the truck driver 1:04:16.520 --> 1:04:18.520 who dropped her off has already called nine to one one, 1:04:18.760 --> 1:04:20.720 and so the cops show up at the first inn. 1:04:20.760 --> 1:04:22.560 Then they find her at the second inn. She's still 1:04:22.560 --> 1:04:23.200 in handcuffs. 1:04:23.200 --> 1:04:26.440 She's like hysterical, she's uh, tells them everything that happen. 1:04:27.120 --> 1:04:30.040 I watched a full FBI Files episode on this, which 1:04:30.120 --> 1:04:34.200 is like investigation discoverage's very cheesy reenactments and stuff like 1:04:34.240 --> 1:04:34.960 forensic bals. 1:04:35.280 --> 1:04:38.920 And she was very credible according to all. 1:04:38.800 --> 1:04:42.320 Of the like the guys, like she had every detail, 1:04:42.440 --> 1:04:44.680 she knew exactly what happened. She could describe things like 1:04:44.720 --> 1:04:47.160 she was a very credible witness and like the story 1:04:47.320 --> 1:04:50.160 was too insane to be made up. On her way 1:04:50.240 --> 1:04:52.560 to the station, they're taking her to the station, she goes, 1:04:52.640 --> 1:04:53.600 pull into the airport. 1:04:53.720 --> 1:04:56.120 I want to show you the plane. So they go in. 1:04:56.320 --> 1:04:57.480 She sees the plane. 1:04:57.640 --> 1:05:00.120 A security guy walks up and goes, oh, yeah, the 1:05:00.120 --> 1:05:02.120 guy who owns this plane like just left, and the 1:05:02.120 --> 1:05:04.840 security guard had out like a license plate number on him, 1:05:04.880 --> 1:05:07.360 Like had noticed the license plate, I guess. So they 1:05:07.400 --> 1:05:12.200 positively ideed that it's Robert Hanson's car. They get the 1:05:12.240 --> 1:05:14.360 address from the license plate. They go to his house. 1:05:14.360 --> 1:05:16.680 He fits the description exactly of who she said held 1:05:16.720 --> 1:05:19.560 her captive and assaulted her. His home is exactly as 1:05:19.600 --> 1:05:22.040 Cindy described. No evidence of rape and torture at the 1:05:22.080 --> 1:05:24.960 house at all, Like the cuffs that she was hung 1:05:25.040 --> 1:05:28.320 up with, like nothing is there anymore, the blanket, the 1:05:28.360 --> 1:05:30.439 gun he pulled on her, like they can't find any 1:05:30.480 --> 1:05:32.480 of that. His car is totally clean, and he had 1:05:32.560 --> 1:05:36.520 alibis which the police verified. So even though he had 1:05:36.720 --> 1:05:40.160 plenty of high run ins with the law, this like 1:05:40.840 --> 1:05:43.760 little innocent guy at thing he had going on, plus 1:05:43.800 --> 1:05:46.400 the fact that he was like a well known sort 1:05:46.400 --> 1:05:49.760 of local baker, plus this alibi he had from a 1:05:49.760 --> 1:05:52.200 friend who made it up, kept him from being considered 1:05:52.240 --> 1:05:55.120 as a serious suspect, and the case went cold, I 1:05:55.120 --> 1:05:58.320 mean insane, Like she has all the information, but she's 1:05:58.360 --> 1:06:00.280 the seventeen year old sex worker. She refused to take 1:06:00.280 --> 1:06:02.520 a light detector because she doesn't trust cops, and the 1:06:02.600 --> 1:06:04.400 cops don't trust her because she's a sex worker. 1:06:04.480 --> 1:06:06.640 So it's like such a fuck situation. 1:06:07.520 --> 1:06:10.720 Ironically, the cops didn't believe her, or there just wasn't 1:06:10.840 --> 1:06:13.600 enough evidence to prosecute, you know, I. 1:06:13.520 --> 1:06:15.680 Think, yeah, I think there probably wasn't enough evidence to 1:06:15.800 --> 1:06:17.040 get him as because to me. 1:06:17.000 --> 1:06:20.800 It's like, how else do you describe this woman's shoeless, handcuffed, 1:06:20.840 --> 1:06:22.000 running like what are you talking? 1:06:22.040 --> 1:06:27.000 No, exactly exactly, And luckily there were some good cops here. 1:06:27.040 --> 1:06:30.000 So ironically there was a cop who listened to her 1:06:30.080 --> 1:06:32.560 would not drop the case because she just thought her 1:06:32.560 --> 1:06:35.000 story was too detailed. His name was Officer Baker, which 1:06:35.040 --> 1:06:37.520 is creepy because he's actually looking for a Baker. He 1:06:37.600 --> 1:06:40.760 knew something was off about Hanson, so he kind of 1:06:41.400 --> 1:06:44.640 was working on the case even though it had been suspended. 1:06:44.800 --> 1:06:46.440 He's kind of working like. 1:06:47.360 --> 1:06:49.800 You know, he's sort of breaking the rules a little 1:06:49.800 --> 1:06:52.960 bit here, and he keeps looking into things. He gathers 1:06:53.000 --> 1:06:54.960 everything up and he gives it to the State Troopers 1:06:54.960 --> 1:06:57.840 because I guess they have probably more resources and they 1:06:57.920 --> 1:06:59.640 knew that they had a mass murder on their hands 1:06:59.680 --> 1:07:02.000 and that they were like the Alaskan State Troopers were 1:07:02.040 --> 1:07:06.920 like not equipped to handle that. So the detective Glenn 1:07:06.960 --> 1:07:10.720 Foth of the Alaska State Troopers contacts the FBI to 1:07:10.760 --> 1:07:15.880 get a profile. They get help from John Douglas, who 1:07:16.040 --> 1:07:18.520 is the guy who wrote the book that Minehunter is 1:07:18.560 --> 1:07:22.640 based on. Mine Hunter inside the FBI's Elite Serial Crime Unit, 1:07:22.920 --> 1:07:24.520 which is a book that my brother in law did 1:07:24.520 --> 1:07:26.880 give me for Christmas. One year, he only gives me 1:07:26.880 --> 1:07:28.600 true crime books. He thinks that's like the only thing 1:07:28.600 --> 1:07:32.240 that I have to my personality. And I started reading it. 1:07:32.240 --> 1:07:34.120 It's a little bit dry, so I couldn't really get 1:07:34.120 --> 1:07:36.000 through it, but it is like he is who the 1:07:36.040 --> 1:07:38.360 mind hunter people are based on, and he is who 1:07:38.480 --> 1:07:41.320 two characters on Criminal Minds are based on. So he 1:07:41.440 --> 1:07:44.280 is one of the leading guys in criminal profiling and 1:07:44.400 --> 1:07:47.479 serial killer profiling at this time. And like he goes 1:07:47.520 --> 1:07:50.160 to Alaska, like I mean, he's fully involved in this case, 1:07:50.160 --> 1:07:52.760 which is really kind of cool if you're like into 1:07:52.920 --> 1:07:56.880 this kind of thing. So his profile of Hanson is 1:07:56.880 --> 1:08:00.120 that he's an experienced hunter with low self esteem, he 1:08:00.160 --> 1:08:02.720 has a history of being rejected by women, and that 1:08:02.800 --> 1:08:05.640 he would be compelled to keep souvenirs of his murders, 1:08:05.680 --> 1:08:08.960 such as victims jewelry. He also suggested that the assailant 1:08:09.040 --> 1:08:12.640 might stutter and has a history of arson, Like five 1:08:12.680 --> 1:08:14.479 points right on the nose. I mean, this guy burnt 1:08:14.480 --> 1:08:17.160 down a bus garage. He was keeping jewelry, like the 1:08:17.160 --> 1:08:20.040 whole thing. So Hanson knows the cops are closing in 1:08:20.040 --> 1:08:22.200 on him, but the cops don't really have enough evidence yet. 1:08:22.240 --> 1:08:24.960 So finally, in October of nineteen eighty three, this is 1:08:25.040 --> 1:08:28.240 four months after no one believed this poor traumatized sex 1:08:28.280 --> 1:08:31.240 worker that this psychotic baker tried to kill her, The 1:08:31.280 --> 1:08:34.680 Anchorage Police Department gets a warren for Hanson's plane, vehicles, 1:08:34.680 --> 1:08:37.200 and home and they bring him in for questioning at 1:08:37.200 --> 1:08:39.200 the same time so that they can kind of go 1:08:39.240 --> 1:08:41.920 through his house. They put him in a room like 1:08:42.040 --> 1:08:45.040 with crime scene photos all over the walls and like 1:08:45.080 --> 1:08:46.760 the names of the victims and stuff like that to 1:08:46.840 --> 1:08:49.880 kind of throw them off immediately, and they want to 1:08:49.920 --> 1:08:52.280 intimidate him before they start questioning him. So he admits 1:08:52.400 --> 1:08:54.120 to having a lot of anger towards women and picking 1:08:54.160 --> 1:08:57.720 up sex workers, but he doesn't admit to any crimes. Meanwhile, 1:08:57.800 --> 1:08:59.960 they're searching his house. They find an array of fire 1:09:00.280 --> 1:09:03.479 arms in a corner hideaway of his attic. Like they 1:09:03.520 --> 1:09:05.639 had to like peel back insulation to find this shit. 1:09:05.680 --> 1:09:09.360 This guy was really hiding stuff. They find an aeronautical chart, 1:09:09.840 --> 1:09:13.000 a full chart of the whole area with thirty seven 1:09:13.040 --> 1:09:17.719 little x's on it. Okay, that's hidden behind his headboard, 1:09:17.760 --> 1:09:20.439 and many of those marks match sites where prior bodies 1:09:20.479 --> 1:09:22.160 had been found. So this guy just had like a 1:09:22.200 --> 1:09:24.559 full map of like what you hear about in movies. 1:09:24.600 --> 1:09:27.360 It's like he had a map of all his kills. 1:09:27.680 --> 1:09:29.840 And he denied killing some of the women that were found, 1:09:29.880 --> 1:09:31.760 but their bodies were like right where the exes were, 1:09:31.800 --> 1:09:34.920 so it's like, I don't really believe you. And then 1:09:35.280 --> 1:09:37.880 as they're searching his house, a neighbor comes by and 1:09:37.880 --> 1:09:40.840 tells authorities that her husband had given him a fake alibi. 1:09:41.320 --> 1:09:43.080 She's like, my husband gave him a fake albi. He 1:09:43.120 --> 1:09:45.920 feels bad. He didn't know how serious the charges were. 1:09:45.960 --> 1:09:48.280 He didn't know what was going on. Like this guy 1:09:48.320 --> 1:09:50.360 probably thought he was like, oh, don't I don't want 1:09:50.360 --> 1:09:53.040 my wife to know I brought home a sex worker, right, 1:09:53.240 --> 1:09:56.559 and so he gave an alibi. He called the station 1:09:56.680 --> 1:09:59.599 and recanted the alibi. So now Hanson's alibi is gone. 1:10:00.360 --> 1:10:04.000 Then they discover all this jewelry belonging to the missing women, 1:10:04.120 --> 1:10:07.080 so it's like they're just knocking off check the checklist 1:10:07.160 --> 1:10:10.600 of this guy being busted. So when confronted with the 1:10:10.640 --> 1:10:12.599 evidence that they found in his home, he denied it 1:10:12.640 --> 1:10:15.320 for as long as possible, but he eventually started to 1:10:15.360 --> 1:10:18.960 blame the women and justify his actions. And he eventually 1:10:19.000 --> 1:10:21.439 confessed to each item as it was presented to him, 1:10:21.479 --> 1:10:24.480 and he admitted to a spree of attacks against Alaskan. 1:10:24.080 --> 1:10:25.639 Women that started in nineteen seventy one. 1:10:26.320 --> 1:10:29.880 He said his earliest victims were women usually between sixteen 1:10:29.920 --> 1:10:33.439 and nineteen, and not sex workers, so like most of 1:10:33.439 --> 1:10:36.080 the women that they discovered of the bodies were sex workers. 1:10:36.080 --> 1:10:38.679 But and at the beginning, he also would just pick 1:10:38.760 --> 1:10:43.800 up women and sort of take them places, and I 1:10:43.880 --> 1:10:46.360 think just get sexual services from them, but I think 1:10:46.400 --> 1:10:49.280 he was working his way up to being able to 1:10:49.280 --> 1:10:53.120 fully kidnap them. So of the seventeen women who he 1:10:53.200 --> 1:10:55.280 is believed to have killed, he was only formally charged 1:10:55.320 --> 1:10:58.439 for the murders of four Cherry Morrow, join A Messina, 1:10:58.680 --> 1:11:02.160 A Klutna Annie, and Paula Golding. And he was also 1:11:02.280 --> 1:11:04.599 charged with the kidnapping and rape of Cindy Paulson, so 1:11:04.760 --> 1:11:06.200 she got some justice hopefully. 1:11:06.680 --> 1:11:09.680 The judge who saw his case in. 1:11:09.720 --> 1:11:11.960 Nineteen eighty four, when he was finally by before a judge, said, 1:11:12.000 --> 1:11:14.320 I cannot think of a bigger indictment of society than 1:11:14.360 --> 1:11:16.880 we have here. This gentleman here has been known to 1:11:16.960 --> 1:11:18.960 us for several years, and we have turned him loose 1:11:19.040 --> 1:11:20.120 several times. 1:11:20.439 --> 1:11:20.760 He said. 1:11:20.760 --> 1:11:24.000 The defendant manipulated the system, lied to psychiatrists, lawyers, and 1:11:24.040 --> 1:11:26.599 probation workers, and counted on his image as a respected 1:11:26.640 --> 1:11:30.200 business person to protect him from charges brought over the 1:11:30.320 --> 1:11:33.120 years by sex workers who accused him of rape. He said, 1:11:33.160 --> 1:11:35.519 before you, this is what the judge said before you. 1:11:35.600 --> 1:11:38.559 Sits a monster, an extreme aberration of a human being 1:11:38.760 --> 1:11:41.200 who has walked among us. Not even his wife of 1:11:41.240 --> 1:11:44.240 twenty years had any inkling of his dark evil side. 1:11:44.360 --> 1:11:49.559 His crimes numbed the mind. So this guy stays making deals. 1:11:49.640 --> 1:11:52.240 He still is making deals even though he's fully busted. 1:11:52.479 --> 1:11:55.479 He played guilty to the four homicides, and the police 1:11:55.479 --> 1:11:58.720 had evidence for and provided details about the other victims. 1:11:58.760 --> 1:12:01.240 In return for serving his sentence in a federal prison 1:12:01.280 --> 1:12:03.280 outside of Alaska, along. 1:12:03.040 --> 1:12:04.920 With no publicity for the trial. They had to agree 1:12:04.960 --> 1:12:08.400 that there would be no publicity for the trial. Is nuts. 1:12:08.400 --> 1:12:10.800 When do criminals get to decide that? But if he 1:12:10.840 --> 1:12:14.080 pleaded guilty, what trial, I don't know. Some deal of 1:12:14.240 --> 1:12:16.160 there was like a deal of him not but they have. 1:12:16.479 --> 1:12:19.200 The thing that's wild is they had all the cards 1:12:19.280 --> 1:12:21.120 why is he still making the rules. 1:12:22.000 --> 1:12:24.559 I'm very confused by this deal. Like they also part 1:12:24.560 --> 1:12:26.639 of the deal was that his family be left alone. 1:12:26.760 --> 1:12:29.519 It's like crazy, Like I do not understand how this 1:12:29.560 --> 1:12:30.880 motherfucker's still cutting deals. 1:12:31.200 --> 1:12:34.280 But he gave them all this information about the other bodies, 1:12:34.280 --> 1:12:35.000 and it's like, well. 1:12:34.840 --> 1:12:37.640 Don't those families want like closure and like have that 1:12:37.720 --> 1:12:40.519 on his record. I mean, he ends up getting a 1:12:40.920 --> 1:12:42.679 I'll get to it, but he gets a huge sentence. 1:12:42.720 --> 1:12:45.479 So he also was part of his plea deal was 1:12:45.479 --> 1:12:47.760 that he had to decipher the map for the authorities, 1:12:48.400 --> 1:12:51.880 and he confirmed the police theory of how the women 1:12:51.920 --> 1:12:55.040 were abducted, adding that he would sometimes let a potential 1:12:55.120 --> 1:12:57.559 victim go if she convinced him that she would not 1:12:57.600 --> 1:12:59.960 report him to the police. Yeah, he said he began 1:13:00.120 --> 1:13:04.080 killing in the seventies. He showed investigators seventeen grave sites, 1:13:04.160 --> 1:13:07.040 twelve of which were unknown to investigators previously, so he 1:13:07.120 --> 1:13:10.879 did like help give closure and find these bodies and stuff. 1:13:11.320 --> 1:13:13.560 There remained marks on his map that he refused to 1:13:13.560 --> 1:13:15.840 give up, including three in Resurrection Bay. 1:13:16.600 --> 1:13:18.040 I wonder why. I don't know. 1:13:18.560 --> 1:13:21.000 The remains of twelve victims were exhumed by the police 1:13:21.040 --> 1:13:24.400 and return to their families. DA Victor Crumb said, mister 1:13:24.439 --> 1:13:27.400 Hanson told police he had suffered a quote feeling of 1:13:27.439 --> 1:13:30.080 rejection by women since he was a youth in Iowa. 1:13:30.479 --> 1:13:33.160 He nevertheless liked and respected women who he felt, in 1:13:33.240 --> 1:13:35.680 his mind were good. So it's like you get to 1:13:35.720 --> 1:13:37.719 decide who are good women and who are bad women. 1:13:38.320 --> 1:13:41.040 The women that were his victims, he considered them inferior, 1:13:41.240 --> 1:13:42.840 so it was all right to kill them, like that's 1:13:42.880 --> 1:13:44.840 what the DA said was in his mind. 1:13:45.400 --> 1:13:47.680 In nineteen eighty four, he was sentenced to. 1:13:49.160 --> 1:13:51.280 By a jury to four hundred and sixty one years 1:13:51.320 --> 1:13:53.679 plus life in prison without the possibility of pearl. 1:13:53.800 --> 1:13:56.160 So four hundred and sixty one years, he's never getting out. 1:13:56.200 --> 1:13:58.200 And then he did die in prison at the age 1:13:58.200 --> 1:14:01.280 of seventy five and twenty fourteen. And ironically they did 1:14:01.280 --> 1:14:03.200 bring him back to a jail in Alaska, so he 1:14:03.240 --> 1:14:04.920 didn't get that part of his deal that he wanted. 1:14:05.520 --> 1:14:09.400 And yes, before you all write us Instagram messages, Criminal 1:14:09.439 --> 1:14:11.960 Minds has also covered this case. Yes, as well as 1:14:12.040 --> 1:14:15.000 SVU and so his discovery ID and Oxygen. This is 1:14:15.000 --> 1:14:16.679 a very well known case. 1:14:16.800 --> 1:14:20.639 I didn't know anything about it. Yeah, and I'm I'm mad. 1:14:21.160 --> 1:14:26.000 Yeah, I mean it's like it's I watched the FBI 1:14:26.080 --> 1:14:28.519 Files thing. It was like Sherry Moral, one of his victims, 1:14:28.560 --> 1:14:30.880 was like he contacted her through something saying he was 1:14:30.920 --> 1:14:32.800 a photographer and she was an aspiring model and he 1:14:32.880 --> 1:14:35.240 just wanted she just wanted some photos taken, and he 1:14:35.240 --> 1:14:37.280 would like make her meet him some more public and 1:14:37.280 --> 1:14:38.879 then pick her up and then. 1:14:38.840 --> 1:14:40.840 Just hunt them. 1:14:40.880 --> 1:14:43.599 Like I mean, the reenactments were like silly, but like 1:14:43.920 --> 1:14:48.640 what they did in SVU, I thought, we was really scary. 1:14:48.320 --> 1:14:51.040 N we have been falling, Like how long he hunted them, 1:14:51.080 --> 1:14:53.240 like the ketamine part or anything like that. 1:14:53.240 --> 1:14:55.040 I don't think the ketamine part was I think that 1:14:55.160 --> 1:14:57.480 was added from the SCU episode. 1:14:57.760 --> 1:14:59.240 He just shot her, stabbed them. 1:14:59.520 --> 1:15:02.600 The fact that but he did not get years and 1:15:02.720 --> 1:15:05.360 years in prison from his first two assault charges and 1:15:05.479 --> 1:15:06.280 rapes is like. 1:15:07.760 --> 1:15:11.240 It's mind boggling. How many dozens of women had to die, yeah, 1:15:11.280 --> 1:15:13.320 saying scary tragic deaths. 1:15:13.600 --> 1:15:16.439 Well, and you see in our system people that have 1:15:16.479 --> 1:15:19.240 petty crimes, they follow them forever, people of color, but 1:15:19.360 --> 1:15:22.880 like these white men can have like horrible like a 1:15:22.920 --> 1:15:26.720 full ascension to serial killerhood and no one stops it. 1:15:27.240 --> 1:15:29.040 You know, so kind of. 1:15:29.040 --> 1:15:32.599 A fucked up episode, but I hope you guys sort 1:15:32.640 --> 1:15:33.800 of enjoyed hearing about it. 1:15:33.880 --> 1:15:34.280 I don't know. 1:15:34.720 --> 1:15:46.960 Let's let's get to our interview all right, Time for 1:15:47.080 --> 1:15:49.320 our guest of the week. We're so excited to talk 1:15:49.360 --> 1:15:54.479 to this actress, songwriter, podcaster, truly a triple threat. She 1:15:54.600 --> 1:15:56.880 has a new music album that just came out called 1:15:56.920 --> 1:16:00.559 The Supporting Character. She has her own podcast called My 1:16:00.720 --> 1:16:05.439 Caffeine Withdrawal, available anywhere you get podcasts. And you also 1:16:05.520 --> 1:16:07.719 may know her from a little show called The Walking 1:16:07.760 --> 1:16:10.960 Dead on AMC where she played Beth Green. Guys, check 1:16:11.000 --> 1:16:14.280 out our convo with Emily Kinney. A lot of people 1:16:14.360 --> 1:16:17.679 have asked for this episode because I will say this 1:16:17.800 --> 1:16:20.679 is I've been watching s for you since the very beginning. 1:16:20.720 --> 1:16:22.960 I've seen every episode multiple times, but this one like 1:16:23.080 --> 1:16:25.639 really sticks in your head. It's like very very haunting. 1:16:26.160 --> 1:16:28.559 I mean, you must have when you got the script 1:16:28.560 --> 1:16:29.840 where you like, whoa. 1:16:31.080 --> 1:16:35.080 Yeah, it was very creepy, particularly like the day something 1:16:35.080 --> 1:16:37.080 about like running around in the woods. Yeah, I think 1:16:37.120 --> 1:16:39.000 that's I think they only get like one shot of 1:16:39.120 --> 1:16:41.840 like it's not a big deal in the TV show, 1:16:42.160 --> 1:16:44.559 but it was a whole day just because you had 1:16:44.600 --> 1:16:46.960 to like be on a different location and stuff and 1:16:47.040 --> 1:16:49.439 something about like getting all like bruised up and like 1:16:49.520 --> 1:16:51.640 running through the forest where it's like this game of 1:16:51.760 --> 1:16:53.840 him hunting. 1:16:53.520 --> 1:16:54.360 Us or whatever. 1:16:55.280 --> 1:16:57.280 Like I remember that day being sort of just like 1:16:57.439 --> 1:17:01.240 really dark and weird, like just imagining running around in 1:17:01.240 --> 1:17:03.600 a forest someone hunting you in this certain way, you know, 1:17:03.800 --> 1:17:05.800 like my clothes were all ripped. 1:17:05.479 --> 1:17:07.200 And like, yeah, so that I remember that. 1:17:07.200 --> 1:17:09.599 Day just like really sticking in my brain like in 1:17:09.640 --> 1:17:10.400 a weird way. 1:17:10.600 --> 1:17:11.320 And we need to know. 1:17:11.840 --> 1:17:15.599 I'm sorry, Kara, but I have to know. Was amorrow hot? 1:17:16.000 --> 1:17:18.400 Is he very hot? In person? Danny Pino? 1:17:18.600 --> 1:17:20.240 Oh yeah, yeah, you know what. 1:17:20.320 --> 1:17:22.400 I think that was like the only scene I actually 1:17:22.479 --> 1:17:25.280 had him, and it's like him breaking in, right, yeah, yeah, 1:17:25.280 --> 1:17:28.920 he's so like, yeah, it's only him like breaking in. 1:17:29.600 --> 1:17:32.599 So I didn't have like a ton of interaction with him. 1:17:32.800 --> 1:17:34.400 I feel like I maybe had a little bit of 1:17:34.400 --> 1:17:37.559 interaction with him at like a crafty table at one point, 1:17:37.680 --> 1:17:41.160 oh okay, where like it was like his scene and 1:17:41.200 --> 1:17:42.920 then my scene wasn't, like it wasn't a scene we 1:17:42.960 --> 1:17:43.360 had together. 1:17:43.520 --> 1:17:44.960 Like my scene was the next kind of but like 1:17:45.000 --> 1:17:46.599 that's but yeah, I mean he's hot. 1:17:46.640 --> 1:17:46.960 Sure. 1:17:47.240 --> 1:17:50.240 I am kind of more into like skinny sad boy 1:17:50.360 --> 1:17:51.400 musician type. 1:17:51.160 --> 1:17:52.400 So like he's not really. 1:17:53.840 --> 1:17:56.360 Like like tattoos, Like it's just not he's not really 1:17:56.360 --> 1:17:56.920 my type. 1:17:57.080 --> 1:17:59.679 But honest with us, that's sure. 1:17:59.760 --> 1:18:03.400 He's he's obviously very you know, good looking. Yeah, he's good. 1:18:03.600 --> 1:18:06.200 He doesn't it talked about in a hotness way like 1:18:06.280 --> 1:18:09.160 other characters get more hot chats. So I just needed 1:18:09.200 --> 1:18:13.240 to know does he penetrate through his annoying character? 1:18:14.400 --> 1:18:14.599 Oh? 1:18:14.800 --> 1:18:17.559 No, he I mean he is very good looking. 1:18:18.040 --> 1:18:18.519 Well I didn't. 1:18:18.560 --> 1:18:21.439 I didn't look past I mean he's yeah, very like 1:18:21.760 --> 1:18:23.040 strikingly good looking. 1:18:23.160 --> 1:18:23.519 Yeah. 1:18:23.560 --> 1:18:25.599 I was just saying like he's not. 1:18:25.520 --> 1:18:27.360 Really hurt me, which I totally get. 1:18:27.400 --> 1:18:29.160 That's how I feel about That's how I feel about 1:18:29.160 --> 1:18:31.080 a lot of detectives on the show that our fans 1:18:31.120 --> 1:18:32.680 are like very horny for. 1:18:33.280 --> 1:18:34.519 Are you a New York person? 1:18:34.880 --> 1:18:36.479 Yeah, I mean, well I live in LA now, but 1:18:36.520 --> 1:18:38.080 I lived in New York for like ten years. 1:18:38.360 --> 1:18:38.639 Wow. 1:18:39.479 --> 1:18:41.759 Like I moved it to New York when I was nineteen. 1:18:42.040 --> 1:18:42.519 Wow. 1:18:43.320 --> 1:18:45.160 Yeah, we were reading about you and you did like 1:18:45.200 --> 1:18:48.920 some Broadway stuff and where did they film Walking Dead. 1:18:49.200 --> 1:18:52.880 They filmed Walking Dead in Atlanta, so it's a pretty 1:18:52.880 --> 1:18:53.400 easy fight. 1:18:53.439 --> 1:18:55.719 So I would just the first. 1:18:55.120 --> 1:18:56.880 Season or so that I was on, I would just 1:18:56.880 --> 1:19:00.559 fly back and forth, and then eventually I stayed longer, 1:19:00.880 --> 1:19:03.080 you know, just depended on how busy I was. 1:19:03.479 --> 1:19:07.479 And SVU, you can imagine, is like a wild fan base. 1:19:07.520 --> 1:19:12.040 We're all very obsessed, and then Looking Dead has very 1:19:12.040 --> 1:19:16.800 intense fan base. Any fun fan interactions or like, do 1:19:16.880 --> 1:19:19.360 you guys do comic con or stuff like that, Like 1:19:20.400 --> 1:19:22.960 I would be curious to find out about that fan base. 1:19:23.479 --> 1:19:27.120 No, yeah, the best fans, you're right, similar. 1:19:26.880 --> 1:19:30.080 To SVU fans, well, you know where it is almost 1:19:30.160 --> 1:19:33.200 like you all are connected online and you know have 1:19:33.640 --> 1:19:36.200 in this really great way and supportive. Yeah. I mean 1:19:36.240 --> 1:19:41.559 I've had so many great interactions with Walking Dead fans. 1:19:41.600 --> 1:19:43.200 I mean some of them are like I do go 1:19:43.280 --> 1:19:46.600 to conventions like comic book conventions, and obviously not in 1:19:46.600 --> 1:19:49.120 the last year, but you know, I'll see some of 1:19:49.160 --> 1:19:51.639 the same ones, so you start to get to know 1:19:52.120 --> 1:19:54.920 the fans or just even online. But yeah, I mean 1:19:54.960 --> 1:19:58.040 some of I've seen with like you know, tattoos of. 1:19:58.040 --> 1:20:01.200 My face and stuff and like that. 1:20:01.280 --> 1:20:03.800 Always I mean that's it makes me. I'm I mean, 1:20:03.880 --> 1:20:05.360 go for it, like I guess through them. It's like, oh, 1:20:05.400 --> 1:20:07.479 it's the character, you know. But it's like sometimes all 1:20:07.479 --> 1:20:09.360 think to myself, huh, like not even like my mom 1:20:09.400 --> 1:20:10.519 has a tattoo of my face. 1:20:10.800 --> 1:20:11.000 You know. 1:20:11.479 --> 1:20:14.040 It's like but I also respect it. 1:20:14.080 --> 1:20:16.559 I mean, I am such a fan when it comes 1:20:16.600 --> 1:20:19.800 to certain music stuff, so like I'll get you know, 1:20:19.880 --> 1:20:21.960 like I get it, like I love I think it's 1:20:21.960 --> 1:20:23.639 fun to be excited about art. 1:20:24.240 --> 1:20:26.160 So wait, we were I was just thinking about how, 1:20:26.240 --> 1:20:28.000 like you have to do this scene where you're like 1:20:28.080 --> 1:20:30.240 being hunted and have to run through the woods and 1:20:30.320 --> 1:20:34.240 like survive for your life, like and that's essentially walking 1:20:34.280 --> 1:20:36.439 dead too, right, Like I mean was that like were 1:20:36.439 --> 1:20:38.639 you well prepared because you'd already done walking dead? 1:20:39.120 --> 1:20:40.879 Yeah? I mean I feel like there was a period 1:20:40.920 --> 1:20:43.080 there were most of my jobs I was like scared 1:20:43.120 --> 1:20:47.479 and crying sort of like yeah, I was well prepared 1:20:47.600 --> 1:20:50.439 for running through the woods, you know, all fucked up 1:20:50.479 --> 1:20:53.400 and like, yeah, scared of something like I do remember 1:20:53.479 --> 1:20:56.120 thinking to myself like huh, yeah, okay, I got another 1:20:56.160 --> 1:20:56.639 one of these. 1:20:57.400 --> 1:21:00.920 Do you have nightmares or just do you ever take 1:21:00.960 --> 1:21:03.679 those emotions and like can't get them out of your 1:21:03.800 --> 1:21:05.360 spirit post work. 1:21:06.160 --> 1:21:08.240 Yeah, I mean I do know actors like I have 1:21:08.240 --> 1:21:11.000 actor friends who seem to be able to just like 1:21:11.000 --> 1:21:12.519 like talking to you and like eating a sandwich and 1:21:12.520 --> 1:21:14.000 then they're in the scene and like sad and crying, 1:21:14.040 --> 1:21:14.439 and I'm like. 1:21:14.400 --> 1:21:19.280 I like I for better or for worse, I. 1:21:19.200 --> 1:21:21.400 Don't know, but like when I'm writing music, when I'm 1:21:21.400 --> 1:21:23.720 acting whatever, I like internalize it in a certain way. 1:21:23.760 --> 1:21:26.759 I don't know if it's always healthy, but I after 1:21:26.920 --> 1:21:30.639 like season three of Walking Dead, I did have some 1:21:30.840 --> 1:21:33.040 serious I don't know if it was because of that 1:21:33.280 --> 1:21:36.280 or other life, but like because you'd have to stay 1:21:36.320 --> 1:21:39.040 all day in like this crying zone, I would just 1:21:39.080 --> 1:21:41.000 have a time once I got home getting. 1:21:40.760 --> 1:21:41.040 Out of it. 1:21:41.040 --> 1:21:43.280 Because if you think about like your natural This is 1:21:43.360 --> 1:21:46.559 just from learning from my therapist at the time too, 1:21:47.200 --> 1:21:49.720 but like you know, when you cry, you know how 1:21:49.720 --> 1:21:51.800 you kind of like start to feel better, You kind 1:21:51.800 --> 1:21:54.439 of naturally feel like and that's kind of like the 1:21:54.560 --> 1:21:57.720 natural wave of your emotions. But when you're on set 1:21:57.720 --> 1:21:59.160 and you have to do a scene over and over 1:21:59.200 --> 1:22:02.120 and over again, you're trying to like push yourself to 1:22:02.360 --> 1:22:06.400 stay in that same spot, right, and like I feel 1:22:06.400 --> 1:22:10.680 like sometimes especially because Walking Dead, but just because it 1:22:10.760 --> 1:22:12.960 was like not just one episode, it was like for 1:22:13.000 --> 1:22:16.200 a you know, for a long long time, I would 1:22:16.320 --> 1:22:18.280 go home and like the smallest thing would like make 1:22:18.320 --> 1:22:21.040 me cry, and I'm like, this is ridiculous, Like I don't. 1:22:20.880 --> 1:22:21.599 Oh my god. 1:22:21.680 --> 1:22:23.719 But I think it's because my brain was just getting 1:22:23.760 --> 1:22:28.680 so used to getting like triggered into like that sad zone. 1:22:29.040 --> 1:22:31.200 I mean, I don't know, maybe I do think other 1:22:31.240 --> 1:22:35.720 actors sometimes have that your friends, where it's like you 1:22:35.760 --> 1:22:38.040 can get into a zone because it's like you're just 1:22:38.160 --> 1:22:41.400 all day in a certain you know, spot in your 1:22:41.439 --> 1:22:44.559 brain and I'll have dreams like I used to have, 1:22:45.000 --> 1:22:49.640 you know, zombie dreams, and like just like yeah, I 1:22:49.640 --> 1:22:51.760 don't remember having dreams oft sbu probably because it was 1:22:51.840 --> 1:22:52.720 just like one. 1:22:52.880 --> 1:22:54.360 Yeah, I don't know, one episode. 1:22:54.560 --> 1:22:56.479 I'm glad you didn't have dreams of a guy hunting 1:22:56.520 --> 1:22:57.680 you in the woods. 1:22:57.880 --> 1:22:59.840 But the zombie dreams do you are? 1:23:00.040 --> 1:23:02.280 Is it like do you know what to do because 1:23:02.320 --> 1:23:04.680 of the show, You're like, I fucking got no. 1:23:04.880 --> 1:23:08.840 In fact, well, there's two that were really intense for me. 1:23:08.920 --> 1:23:10.320 There was one where I was just like in my 1:23:10.360 --> 1:23:12.080 off time in New York, and it was like people 1:23:12.120 --> 1:23:14.479 were zombies, like the different people. And then there was 1:23:14.680 --> 1:23:16.960 one dream that has stuck with me where I was 1:23:17.000 --> 1:23:18.519 in LA and I was like at a party and 1:23:18.520 --> 1:23:20.599 people were saying like, oh, there's some people that are 1:23:20.640 --> 1:23:23.599 like starting to turn like becomes, and people were asking 1:23:23.640 --> 1:23:26.000 me what to do, and I was like I don't 1:23:26.080 --> 1:23:29.840 know what to do, Like I don't know, and it 1:23:29.920 --> 1:23:32.559 was very stressful, like people ask you like like you 1:23:32.600 --> 1:23:34.880 should know, and I was like, I don't know what 1:23:34.960 --> 1:23:35.320 to do. 1:23:35.479 --> 1:23:38.040 You guys like, wait, did you ever listen to the 1:23:38.080 --> 1:23:39.400 podcast Dirty John? 1:23:40.280 --> 1:23:42.519 No, I watched some of the TV show, So did 1:23:42.560 --> 1:23:43.639 you hear did. 1:23:43.439 --> 1:23:46.519 You know that? Like in real life he tries to 1:23:46.600 --> 1:23:51.920 kill his wife's daughter and she basically fights back and 1:23:52.120 --> 1:23:56.160 kills him because she learned all these survival skills. 1:23:55.880 --> 1:23:56.639 On The Walking Dead. 1:23:57.000 --> 1:24:00.120 What she says it in interviews in the podcast, she's like, 1:24:00.200 --> 1:24:03.479 oh my god, walking Dead fan. She seems a little 1:24:03.479 --> 1:24:07.000 bit I don't know, I don't know something's going on 1:24:07.080 --> 1:24:09.719 with her. But she was very into The Walking Dead. 1:24:10.280 --> 1:24:12.599 And when this guy, when this her mother's boyfriend, who's 1:24:12.600 --> 1:24:16.600 this grifter, attacks her in the parking lot. She basically 1:24:16.760 --> 1:24:19.200 was able to fight back from watching so much Walking 1:24:19.240 --> 1:24:20.240 Dead is what she said. 1:24:21.000 --> 1:24:23.120 Interesting, you guys are saving you know what. 1:24:24.320 --> 1:24:25.880 I'm yeah, happy, thank you. 1:24:26.000 --> 1:24:33.040 Yes, you know, there is something about just I mean, 1:24:33.080 --> 1:24:36.120 I think any part as an actor, the thing that 1:24:36.200 --> 1:24:39.439 I love is that you get to like uncover a 1:24:39.520 --> 1:24:41.960 part of you that you maybe didn't even know was there. 1:24:42.080 --> 1:24:46.160 And and I do think some of the fighting and 1:24:46.240 --> 1:24:48.400 stuff that happened on Walking Dead are things that maybe 1:24:48.439 --> 1:24:51.559 I hadn't thought of or pushed myself to do before, 1:24:51.680 --> 1:24:55.880 like you know, and there is an element of like, yeah, 1:24:55.880 --> 1:24:59.000 I mean, what would you do during the apocalypse and 1:24:59.080 --> 1:25:01.280 like what supplies do you need in your house if 1:25:01.320 --> 1:25:04.160 something like that happens? And like I definitely have an 1:25:04.200 --> 1:25:06.920 idea now of what that would be, you know, so 1:25:07.000 --> 1:25:08.360 maybe I do know more. 1:25:08.200 --> 1:25:09.519 Like just because I've thought about it. 1:25:09.560 --> 1:25:12.920 I don't know that I wouldn't necessarily survive any better, 1:25:12.960 --> 1:25:17.040 but I definitely there's like a library of sort of 1:25:17.200 --> 1:25:19.960 ideas of what we could do you have to survive 1:25:20.080 --> 1:25:21.040 and like, and I'm. 1:25:20.880 --> 1:25:22.920 Sure you do some like don't you do? Do you 1:25:23.040 --> 1:25:26.960 do some like combat training or whatever? Like on those sets, Yeah. 1:25:26.800 --> 1:25:29.400 We shot guns and we did a lot of like 1:25:29.600 --> 1:25:31.479 stunt fight training and stuff like that. 1:25:31.760 --> 1:25:35.439 And has Walking Dad prepped you for the quarantine like 1:25:35.600 --> 1:25:36.519 being again? 1:25:36.760 --> 1:25:39.280 People are calling me at the beginning of this whole thing, 1:25:39.400 --> 1:25:40.560 like it's happening. 1:25:40.160 --> 1:25:41.960 What should we do on my land? I'm like, I 1:25:42.000 --> 1:25:43.519 don't know what you should do. 1:25:44.680 --> 1:25:45.360 I don't know. 1:25:45.880 --> 1:25:49.040 I wanted to ask you cuz you both in this, 1:25:49.200 --> 1:25:52.000 in your SVU and in Walking Dead, you're sixteen, but 1:25:52.040 --> 1:25:54.800 you're actually like in your twenties, like kind of into 1:25:54.800 --> 1:25:57.519 your twenties playing them, Right, what do you do to 1:25:57.560 --> 1:25:59.320 like keep getting casts as a high schooler? 1:25:59.800 --> 1:26:02.439 I think it's just the Pony two. 1:26:02.479 --> 1:26:05.280 I don't know, Like I don't know, like I do 1:26:05.320 --> 1:26:08.120 feel like I in I mean, I feel like I'm 1:26:08.160 --> 1:26:11.519 starting to look older and like I have this I 1:26:11.600 --> 1:26:13.800 really like, I can't wait. I've gone to play a 1:26:13.840 --> 1:26:16.120 mom once, like, well, I guess in SVU, I'm playing 1:26:16.120 --> 1:26:18.479 a young very because I'm a very young, sixteen year 1:26:18.479 --> 1:26:20.639 ol mom. And then the last show I did, Messiah 1:26:20.720 --> 1:26:23.080 for Netflix, I'm a mom and I loved it, and 1:26:23.160 --> 1:26:26.519 I have like I think it's gonna start to switch 1:26:26.520 --> 1:26:27.920 over to that maybe just like. 1:26:27.880 --> 1:26:30.639 A young mom thing. Yeah, but yeah, I don't know. 1:26:30.800 --> 1:26:33.960 I think I just am like immature, but maybe not 1:26:34.000 --> 1:26:34.400 in like a. 1:26:34.360 --> 1:26:38.160 Bad way, not like in a bad way, but like 1:26:38.360 --> 1:26:42.360 I just come across a cert I don't know, but 1:26:42.479 --> 1:26:46.000 like I love playing young because I've been there before, 1:26:46.840 --> 1:26:48.439 Like I can't seem to shake it. 1:26:48.920 --> 1:26:51.759 Like that's cool though, Hey, that's great. 1:26:51.840 --> 1:26:54.760 I mean, I mean, I don't know people are going 1:26:54.800 --> 1:26:57.200 to be like you're like forty, like. 1:26:57.680 --> 1:26:58.559 You need to grow up. 1:26:58.560 --> 1:27:00.479 But the way I figure it, like you have literally 1:27:00.520 --> 1:27:03.480 forever to grow up, so like you might as well. 1:27:03.400 --> 1:27:05.280 Right, I mean grow up in certain ways. 1:27:05.280 --> 1:27:08.200 I don't mean like be responsible, like I'm responsible, but 1:27:08.320 --> 1:27:08.880 you know what I mean. 1:27:09.520 --> 1:27:12.160 Is there anything that you learned, like in your career 1:27:12.240 --> 1:27:14.040 being a guest star on all these shows that you 1:27:14.080 --> 1:27:15.960 brought with you to Walking Dead, being like a main 1:27:16.040 --> 1:27:18.400 person when like a guest star someone would come in. 1:27:18.800 --> 1:27:21.000 Is there any lessons for sure? 1:27:21.240 --> 1:27:24.800 I mean I feel like, yeah, when you're a guest star, 1:27:25.080 --> 1:27:26.840 you're a guest on their set, and you. 1:27:26.760 --> 1:27:30.280 Do look to the regulars a little bit. 1:27:30.560 --> 1:27:32.320 For I mean, I have my own ways that I 1:27:32.360 --> 1:27:33.200 know I'm going to do my. 1:27:33.160 --> 1:27:36.479 Best work, so I like, of course have that, but I. 1:27:36.439 --> 1:27:38.760 Do look to them for a little bit of like 1:27:39.400 --> 1:27:41.719 I guess, like the thing that I took to Walking 1:27:41.800 --> 1:27:43.760 Dead because there's a lot of guest stars and Walking 1:27:43.800 --> 1:27:46.880 Dead too, is like being really welcoming and being really 1:27:47.000 --> 1:27:50.280 like comfy, because I feel like I do my best 1:27:50.320 --> 1:27:52.599 work when I get to have a longer arc than 1:27:52.640 --> 1:27:55.880 just one one episode, because like there's something about like 1:27:56.280 --> 1:27:58.599 knowing the hair and makeup a little bit better, knowing 1:27:58.640 --> 1:28:01.960 the camera guys better. No, you know, knowing the other 1:28:02.000 --> 1:28:03.960 actors you're working with a little bit better. Like I 1:28:04.200 --> 1:28:06.240 do really work well when I have a little bit 1:28:06.280 --> 1:28:08.760 of a routine, but when you're a guest star, you 1:28:08.800 --> 1:28:11.120 obviously you just know that's not what you're going to get, 1:28:11.120 --> 1:28:12.800 so you just kind of have to like go for it. 1:28:13.200 --> 1:28:15.479 But knowing that, like I like to have that little 1:28:15.520 --> 1:28:18.120 bit of extra comfort, I do try to be like 1:28:18.240 --> 1:28:21.880 really welcoming and try to provide whatever to guest stars. 1:28:21.920 --> 1:28:24.360 You hear about shows where like people come on to 1:28:24.520 --> 1:28:26.640 guests and they're like, oh, the main cast is like 1:28:26.760 --> 1:28:28.800 bonded and they didn't really talk to us and they 1:28:28.800 --> 1:28:31.320 didn't really let us in and stuff, and like people 1:28:31.560 --> 1:28:34.280 sound like SV is not really like that, Like people 1:28:34.560 --> 1:28:39.120 are pretty like open to yeah, the stars and let 1:28:39.160 --> 1:28:40.920 everybody in. Yeah. 1:28:40.920 --> 1:28:43.240 I felt like everybody was very like, how's he doing? 1:28:43.280 --> 1:28:45.320 How are you doing? You would would you have for lunch? 1:28:45.360 --> 1:28:47.800 You know, like I feel like everybody on SVU. 1:28:47.600 --> 1:28:51.040 Is very cool like that. I remember talking to Kelly. 1:28:51.280 --> 1:28:52.679 She was Kelly Gettish. 1:28:52.840 --> 1:28:55.559 Yeah. It was like one of her first seasons, I think. 1:28:55.720 --> 1:28:57.960 Yeah, And so the day that was really long where 1:28:57.960 --> 1:29:00.000 everything was happening just at the studio because there's like 1:29:00.040 --> 1:29:02.360 on location stuff and stuff that she was there and 1:29:02.439 --> 1:29:04.240 she was waiting for some of her scenes too. 1:29:04.880 --> 1:29:08.040 And actually, fun fun fact, I. 1:29:08.040 --> 1:29:11.160 Used to work at this coffee shop called Gimme Coffee. 1:29:11.800 --> 1:29:15.200 And Kelly used to work on a show called The Burg, 1:29:15.560 --> 1:29:20.000 which was a YouTube show and they would shoot around Williamsburg. 1:29:20.040 --> 1:29:21.640 So this coffee shop was Gimme Coffee and it was 1:29:21.680 --> 1:29:23.520 off of the lorm Or stop in Williamsburg. 1:29:23.600 --> 1:29:24.840 That was like my first job. 1:29:24.960 --> 1:29:27.760 I'm like twenty years old in New York City and 1:29:27.800 --> 1:29:30.680 they would be shooting around Williamsburg and they would come in. 1:29:30.720 --> 1:29:32.880 So I had actually met her before, and I remember 1:29:32.920 --> 1:29:35.479 I think I remember reminding her that I was like, oh, yeah, 1:29:35.479 --> 1:29:39.200 you know, like we've met, or like I kind of 1:29:39.280 --> 1:29:41.320 know like the other girl that's in this show called 1:29:41.320 --> 1:29:46.080 The Burg, Lindsay, and you know, like I knew, like 1:29:46.080 --> 1:29:49.320 like we were in like the same zone of this 1:29:49.439 --> 1:29:52.599 period of time in Williamsburg when she was working on 1:29:52.640 --> 1:29:56.280 this YouTube show and I was working on working at 1:29:56.320 --> 1:29:57.200 a coffee shop. 1:29:58.760 --> 1:30:01.759 Which leads us perfectly into your podcast. 1:30:02.040 --> 1:30:03.240 Oh to my podcast. 1:30:03.479 --> 1:30:04.679 Yeah, it's about caffee. 1:30:05.000 --> 1:30:07.200 Oh it is about Yeah, I have a deep love 1:30:07.280 --> 1:30:10.479 for coffee, coffee shop culture like that whole you know, 1:30:10.680 --> 1:30:14.880 and music. And so if if your listeners love want 1:30:14.880 --> 1:30:18.680 a new podcast, listen to an addition, mind's. 1:30:18.439 --> 1:30:19.519 All about like music. 1:30:19.720 --> 1:30:22.360 And so what I do is I people that I'm 1:30:22.400 --> 1:30:25.639 fans of, like music that I'm fans of, I'll invite 1:30:25.680 --> 1:30:28.400 them to have coffee with me on my show. And 1:30:28.400 --> 1:30:31.599 then they usually either make me the coffee that they drink, 1:30:31.800 --> 1:30:35.000 or maybe we just talk about what coffee they're drinking 1:30:35.080 --> 1:30:37.519 or what their like morning routine is, and then we 1:30:37.560 --> 1:30:47.679 talk about like writing songs and music and yeah. 1:30:44.040 --> 1:30:46.680 Wow, what a sweetheart. That was fun. That was a 1:30:46.680 --> 1:30:47.880 fun talk. Yeah. 1:30:48.200 --> 1:30:52.639 Now I want coffee actually always, I actually read that 1:30:53.120 --> 1:30:55.800 if you're craving coffee, that's actually a sign of like 1:30:55.920 --> 1:30:57.080 sugar addiction too. 1:30:57.280 --> 1:30:57.800 Yeah, I didn't. 1:30:57.840 --> 1:30:59.519 I felt I didn't want to tell her that I 1:30:59.520 --> 1:31:01.400 am a for in my life coffee drinker. 1:31:01.439 --> 1:31:03.559 Oh yeah, I forget that you don't like coffee. Since 1:31:03.600 --> 1:31:07.120 I've started eating like a healthier I've been like coffee 1:31:07.120 --> 1:31:11.800 every day. I need it so hardcore. What have I 1:31:11.880 --> 1:31:15.280 learned from this horrific episode? Yeah, let's get into our 1:31:15.320 --> 1:31:19.080 post mortem. I mean, follow your gut, don't ever get 1:31:19.080 --> 1:31:22.440 into a car, take a credit card no matter what appointment, 1:31:22.520 --> 1:31:26.719 take photos of ID I mean, no one can be trusted. Sorry, 1:31:26.760 --> 1:31:27.800 it's the world we live in. 1:31:28.040 --> 1:31:31.120 Yes, please see our instagram for Lisa's joke about how 1:31:31.160 --> 1:31:34.439 she spread her DNA around a guy's apartment during a hookup. 1:31:34.520 --> 1:31:35.920 It is one of my favorite jokes. 1:31:35.960 --> 1:31:38.800 And I would like to say that guy that the 1:31:38.880 --> 1:31:40.960 joke is based on I haven't seen in like years, 1:31:41.240 --> 1:31:44.559 contacted me. We were like, okay, let's get some phone 1:31:44.600 --> 1:31:46.320 sex situations going in. 1:31:46.240 --> 1:31:48.600 The middle of sex. Disappeared. 1:31:49.000 --> 1:31:51.640 This happened yesterday or two days ago. He was like, 1:31:51.680 --> 1:31:54.120 oh yeah, and then stopped responding or looking at me 1:31:54.160 --> 1:31:56.400 and said, and I think he's been murdered. No, he 1:31:56.479 --> 1:31:59.360 keeps posting on Instagram and I want to block him, 1:32:00.280 --> 1:32:03.639 bock him because I'm livid, But I also like, if 1:32:03.680 --> 1:32:05.960 he gets mad, he can definitely ruin my life and 1:32:06.000 --> 1:32:10.240 post so many photos of me and compromising situations. 1:32:10.640 --> 1:32:11.559 So I don't know what to do. 1:32:13.240 --> 1:32:15.599 Anyway, just because someone has a dog in their car 1:32:15.640 --> 1:32:17.360 doesn't mean you should trust them. I once took a 1:32:17.439 --> 1:32:19.920 ride with a stranger in Italy because he had a 1:32:19.960 --> 1:32:23.040 car seat in the back of the car. Stupid, stupid, stupid, Like, 1:32:23.120 --> 1:32:25.519 don't do it. I mean, what happened. He just drove 1:32:25.520 --> 1:32:27.240 me where I had to go. It was very nice, 1:32:27.280 --> 1:32:29.880 but like I'm just saying, like it's stupid. It's stupid 1:32:29.880 --> 1:32:32.519 to just assume anything about people like this man, the 1:32:32.880 --> 1:32:36.080 butcher Baker in Alaska. His career as a serial killer 1:32:36.200 --> 1:32:38.639 was made on the fact that he had two kids 1:32:38.640 --> 1:32:40.960 and was like a baker and you know, seemed like 1:32:41.000 --> 1:32:42.120 a just dorky dude. 1:32:42.280 --> 1:32:44.880 And those are those are the ones you gotta watch. 1:32:45.600 --> 1:32:48.519 Yeah, and then yeah, we say this a lot the 1:32:49.040 --> 1:32:54.000 in cells. You stop, like the patriarchy fucking sucks, and 1:32:54.080 --> 1:32:56.479 all these killers just can't get late enough. And it's 1:32:56.520 --> 1:32:58.760 like I didn't get late in high school. You know, 1:32:58.880 --> 1:33:00.599 I'm not strangling people in the woods. 1:33:00.720 --> 1:33:01.680 I don't understand. 1:33:02.960 --> 1:33:05.519 Yeah, people need to re examine their hatred of women 1:33:05.560 --> 1:33:07.639 and look inward for sure. 1:33:08.000 --> 1:33:11.280 Also, never trust a man if he says another man 1:33:11.360 --> 1:33:13.520 is or is not creepy, they have no idea. 1:33:13.720 --> 1:33:16.519 They have no radar for it. Yeah, they have no radar. 1:33:16.560 --> 1:33:19.599 They will look at a full, full on pirate who's 1:33:19.600 --> 1:33:21.840 just pillaged a town and be like, oh, Ted, he's 1:33:21.880 --> 1:33:22.400 pretty cool. 1:33:23.880 --> 1:33:26.519 Yeah he's nice. We watch games together. Yeah, we look 1:33:26.560 --> 1:33:28.439 the same team. Yeah. He could be. 1:33:28.520 --> 1:33:31.560 In a wet raincoat splattered with blood. 1:33:31.479 --> 1:33:33.680 And he'd be like that guy hunts. Yeah, he's a 1:33:33.760 --> 1:33:36.040 hunt He's just like just a real man's man. You know, 1:33:36.080 --> 1:33:36.840 I love that guy. 1:33:37.160 --> 1:33:37.439 Yeah. 1:33:37.479 --> 1:33:40.400 We cannot trust men's assessment of other men. They just 1:33:40.520 --> 1:33:43.760 really don't know how many creeps they're friends with. Constantly, 1:33:44.200 --> 1:33:45.960 I'm shocked how many creeps I'm friends with. 1:33:46.560 --> 1:33:50.639 Yeah, I also learned that tomorrow. I mean I didn't 1:33:50.720 --> 1:33:52.479 learn this. I've known this, but we don't give enough 1:33:52.520 --> 1:33:55.040 attention to tomorrow. He's very hot. I don't like his 1:33:55.160 --> 1:33:57.479 character very much, but he's very hot as a man. 1:33:57.600 --> 1:33:58.719 Danny Pino very hot. 1:33:58.840 --> 1:34:03.439 And we learn some FoST assess the information from you. Kara, Yeah, 1:34:03.560 --> 1:34:07.640 professor friend. Yeah, that's all really really important information. And 1:34:07.760 --> 1:34:09.880 let me get into that right now with what would 1:34:09.880 --> 1:34:13.960 sister peg do? We have a couple of recommendations for 1:34:14.000 --> 1:34:17.520 you for what were Sister peg do? One is Heather Heatherberg, 1:34:17.520 --> 1:34:20.559 who we spoke to about sex work, has a book 1:34:20.600 --> 1:34:23.760 called Porn Work, Sex Labor, and Late Capitalism. 1:34:24.240 --> 1:34:26.800 Pick that up on Amazon. She's very very smart and 1:34:26.880 --> 1:34:30.080 very very knowledgeable about the whole world of sex work 1:34:30.080 --> 1:34:32.720 and you know, the government and how it's being dealt with. 1:34:33.080 --> 1:34:36.559 And then she recommended a website called Hacking Hustling dot 1:34:36.680 --> 1:34:39.479 org to us, and it is a collective of sex 1:34:39.479 --> 1:34:43.519 worker survivors and accomplices working at the intersection of tech 1:34:43.560 --> 1:34:47.600 and social justice to interrupt state surveillance and violence facilitated 1:34:47.640 --> 1:34:52.080 by technology. So that is her wreck and therefore are 1:34:52.160 --> 1:34:54.360 wreck to you. And we'll have those both obviously in 1:34:54.400 --> 1:34:55.160 our show notes. 1:34:55.479 --> 1:34:59.879 And next week's episode will be Fault season seven, episode nineteen, 1:35:01.240 --> 1:35:04.000 And as always, the episodes are on Hulu and Peacock. 1:35:04.080 --> 1:35:04.599 And as we. 1:35:04.560 --> 1:35:08.240 Noted last week, go to your local library they have DVDs. Baby, 1:35:09.479 --> 1:35:11.679 thank you so much. 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