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Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where honking season can commend. I'm

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Speaker 1: Greg Rosenthal. I'm here the Chris Westleyan Podcast studio with

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Speaker 1: my friends Patrick, Clayboun and Jordan Rod Brieg. Look, we've

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Speaker 1: been honking on a lot of previous shows all season

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Speaker 1: with three of us. Sometimes we got Steve Weis with us.

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Speaker 1: We've got a couple of special guests today. But this

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Speaker 1: is really my dream to just only have four games

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Speaker 1: to talk about and yet actually make the preview show longer. Yes,

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Speaker 1: because as in depth as possible to give these.

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Speaker 2: Games the attention that they deserve, not the distraction of

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Speaker 2: all these you know, ref raft, not that, not that

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Speaker 2: the excess games that we get and we get to

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Speaker 2: discuss and talk about. But we can focus, especially for

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Speaker 2: me and all the all the folks out there with

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Speaker 2: the attention deficit hyperactivity disorder.

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Speaker 3: Shout out to us. We can focus on just a

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Speaker 3: few games at a time.

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Speaker 1: Shout out to Patrick.

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Speaker 4: I know, I know the desk is already.

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Speaker 1: Let's not waste any time. Let's lay out the plan.

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Speaker 1: We made the controversial statement going into last week that

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Speaker 1: we thought maybe wild Guard Weekend is now superseded Divisional

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Speaker 1: pretty great, I gotta say, especially this season where I

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Speaker 1: think more teams than usual have a chance to both

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Speaker 1: make the Super Bowl and win the Super Bowl. Like realistically,

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Speaker 1: you never know. I know Patrick at all. I know,

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Speaker 1: but you look at the seeds that have made it. Patrick,

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Speaker 1: show me the shockers. It's been a minute, but this

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Speaker 1: is the year where don't show me them. Phrasing AFC

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Speaker 1: wide open, NFC maybe less. So we'll get into that.

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Speaker 1: Oli Connolly is going to join us for the entire

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Speaker 1: NFC and all the seth heads out there, those are

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Speaker 1: fans of Seth payin. We'll enjoy our preview of Texans Patriots.

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Speaker 1: He's going to join us for that. Three of us.

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Speaker 1: We're big boys and girls. We can handle the Broncos

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Speaker 1: and Bills by ourselves. But let's just bring in Ollie.

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Speaker 1: Let's not waste any more time. He's over in Manchester

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Speaker 1: and he's been grinding film and he made a request.

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Speaker 1: He wanted to talk about the Ben Johnson Sean McVay battle.

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Speaker 1: Actually you didn't, but I'm sure you're you're fine with.

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Speaker 5: No that was thrust upon me. But I was delighted

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Speaker 5: to get the call. I'm happy to do you with everyone.

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Speaker 1: I do like mixing up the different members of now

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Speaker 1: the the NFL Daily Extended universe. I think this is

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Speaker 1: your first show with Patrick and or no, not with

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Speaker 1: Patrick because he did it last week, but with me

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Speaker 1: with Jordan, And what a better way to start than

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Speaker 1: two of the foremost McVeigh you know, Tree Ben Johnson

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Speaker 1: acolytes in the game. I'll start with you, Jordan. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: where do you look at the Rams and this matchup

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Speaker 1: where they're three and a half point favorites, they're in Chicago.

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Speaker 1: It's going to be the NBC crew on the call.

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Speaker 1: Three go and collins Worth see, I can do your

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Speaker 1: Patrick like, let's go.

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Speaker 3: If not that, what do I no?

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Speaker 4: I'd me in the first half, not gonna lie.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean there's only four games and we got

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Speaker 1: to it. When you think when Sean McVay is looking

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Speaker 1: at this, this bear's outfit, what do you think he

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Speaker 1: is focusing on? First? He can take advantage of.

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Speaker 6: It well, the position that usually you can tell he's

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Speaker 6: garbage time minutes of games that don't count for anything.

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Speaker 6: His corners and the way that this defense has been

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Speaker 6: weaknesses on a RAMS team that really does not have

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Speaker 6: many of them, is the fact that the explosive play

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Speaker 6: Their safeties are very good, their corners are thin, They've been.

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Speaker 4: Depleted all season.

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Speaker 6: A Kella Witherspoon again is hurt, so lack of depth there.

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Speaker 6: But when Caleb Williams can can move and change his

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Speaker 6: Jacoby Brissette and the Arizona Cardinals were cooking them, I

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Speaker 2: The concern for me, especially after seeing the Colston Loveland

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Speaker 1: Were kind of a doubter. Early in the theater, there

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Speaker 4: Welcome to the preview show.

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Speaker 2: But seeing you know Curl and Kinchins as well as

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Speaker 2: And now I look at a similar matchup where you

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Speaker 2: where I think there's no better preparation for playing the

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Speaker 2: Bears for the Rams than playing the Panthers twice late

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Speaker 2: in the season. So like credit to Sean McVay for

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Speaker 2: somehow orchestrating the schedule to make that happen. I don't

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Speaker 2: pretty good warm up to play this Bears defense in

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Ali, what do you see out of like a

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Speaker 5: I think what Jordan said nailed it perfectly is the

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a thank you, by the way, that made

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Speaker 1: But also this was she's easily won over.

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Speaker 6: Well, you know I can't. I can't get it in

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Speaker 6: It's interesting too because this pass rush I don't think

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Speaker 4: It in really positive flashes.

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Speaker 6: This young group that has come together and then adding

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Speaker 6: but that's been a little shaky as well without Quinton

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Speaker 6: Now he's back, But this this pass rush group never

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Speaker 6: part of the reason the Rams did not invest more

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Speaker 4: They didn't trade for anybody.

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Speaker 6: They didn't, you know, other than acquiring Emmanuel Forbes last season,

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Speaker 6: but a little too often this season that pressure is

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Speaker 5: And that's the real challenge of facing the Bears, because

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Speaker 5: what do we actually want to do on what fits

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Speaker 5: But that truly is the way to impact Caleb in

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Speaker 5: also can be a bit scatters shot. You might throw

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Speaker 5: You have to send heat early and often, and you

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Speaker 1: And you're tough on the Rams, And I have the

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Speaker 1: same general feeling watching them. It is it's kind of

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Speaker 1: You think of as like the great defense in the league.

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Speaker 1: And yet I agree with you that is my experience

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Speaker 1: Deo Benedict, who was you know, playing for much of

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Speaker 1: Then again, like when you look at these two quarterbacks,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the spot where Dennis Allen would like to play.

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Speaker 2: Pook and Nakua. But considering the options, it may be

436
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Speaker 2: the best option for the bear.

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Speaker 7: No.

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Speaker 1: Kevin Dotson last week really good guard for the Rams

439
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Speaker 1: and all pro consideration. Got some votes. I don't think

440
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Speaker 1: he got it, did he in the end?

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Speaker 4: Oh he got some votes.

442
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Speaker 1: He got some votes. Didn't get it, but Sean McVay

443
00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:10,360
Speaker 1: expressed optimism that he would be returning this week, so

444
00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:14,000
Speaker 1: that helps out the running game. It's supposed to be

445
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Speaker 1: extremely cold, like under twenty degrees wind chill, maybe you know,

446
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Speaker 1: around zero or anything. You know, it's enough where like

447
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Speaker 1: that's going to affect the game. I was thinking last week,

448
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Speaker 1: how what an advantage it is to have Caleb Williams.

449
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Speaker 1: It's funny to think about him coming out and people

450
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Speaker 1: were worried about like, oh, him going to a cold

451
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Speaker 1: weather city. It's like, how about how about that arm

452
00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:39,480
Speaker 1: travels in the cold and like you didn't really see

453
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Speaker 1: that the weather impact. There was some wind that took

454
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Speaker 1: a thrower to but him in Love were just firing

455
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Speaker 1: it through the cold there, and you would think Matthew

456
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Speaker 1: Stafford that would be the case for him. For whatever reason,

457
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Speaker 1: it's a small ish sample sized. Stafford's cold weather numbers

458
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Speaker 1: aren't like amazing. I am curious if you have any

459
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Speaker 1: thoughts on that, and having watched them a lot, obviously

460
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Speaker 1: most of those were played when he was playing on

461
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Speaker 1: the road as a member of the Detroit Lions, which

462
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Speaker 1: you know his play probably wasn't the biggest issue. Do

463
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Speaker 1: you have any thoughts on that? And then the running

464
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Speaker 1: game kind of getting stuck last week and like in

465
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Speaker 1: a really surprising way, because to me that that feels

466
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Speaker 1: like the easiest path towards like kind of dominating this game.

467
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Speaker 1: I feel like either the Bears are going to win

468
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Speaker 1: a crazy game or the Rams could just put it on.

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Speaker 6: Well, And I think either way right because if the

470
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Speaker 6: Swift and Manungai combination is effective against this Rams front

471
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Speaker 6: that they rebuilt specifically to not lose games the way

472
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Speaker 6: they did to Sa Kwon Barkley multiple times last season,

473
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Speaker 6: then that's a huge swing point to me. But also

474
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Speaker 6: on the other side, Blake corm and Kile rilins Kien

475
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Speaker 6: Williams was coming back from being a little banged up,

476
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Speaker 6: as is Blake Koram and not having Kevin Dotson in

477
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Speaker 6: at gar at that right guard spot Justin Diditch, who

478
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Speaker 6: I think I've said before all respect to Justin Didetisch,

479
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Speaker 6: but we are the same height, and I hope.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't sound that respectful to me.

481
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Speaker 4: I hope he weighs more than me, but I'm not sure.

482
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Speaker 6: And so like this is this is one of those

483
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Speaker 6: things where you need to get your big guys back

484
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Speaker 6: all up along this this offensive interior that they specifically

485
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Speaker 6: rebuilt to run in the cold.

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Speaker 1: Well, that can't be it. Now I've got a oh

487
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Speaker 1: my god, they're going on draft.

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Speaker 6: I mean I've I've talked to him in the locker room. Guys,

489
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Speaker 6: I'm about five to nine.

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Speaker 1: You know.

491
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Speaker 2: They're they're doing them a favor on the roster. Yeah,

492
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Speaker 2: if that's the case. But but I.

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Speaker 6: Will say I will say that that's the That's the

494
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Speaker 6: biggest key to me is getting that run game back

495
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Speaker 6: up and going, because you know, you can take the

496
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Speaker 6: Matthew Stafford cold weather, which is I think is the thing.

497
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Speaker 4: They're talking about it a lot in Chicago.

498
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Speaker 6: Media this week, but also like I also watched Matthew

499
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Speaker 6: Stafford almost take.

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Speaker 4: The the life out of all of.

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Speaker 6: These Eagles fans in the snow uh two plays away

502
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Speaker 6: from from winning that game in a in a sideway

503
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Speaker 6: snowstorm last season. So I think it's like multiple things

504
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Speaker 6: could be true. He has fumbled a lot and lost

505
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Speaker 6: the ball and been intercepted a couple of times in

506
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Speaker 6: an outdoor like windy or weird weather games.

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Speaker 1: Hand size coming up big in cold weather and Drake

508
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Speaker 1: may smaller hands and did have the fumbles the other night.

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Speaker 1: Do you have any thoughts on justin diet itch before

510
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Speaker 1: we move on to this game, Ali, I.

511
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Speaker 5: Did not have that many thoughts and just indeed, I

512
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Speaker 5: would say cold weather with a bad back. If the

513
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Speaker 5: back's good, that's not great. Don't love that. My grandma

514
00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:30,439
Speaker 5: would say cold weather, bad back, not great. The special

515
00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:33,480
Speaker 5: team stuff in cold weather gets rough. That's where special

516
00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:36,040
Speaker 5: team stuff usually shows up, maybe evens the playing field

517
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Speaker 5: for the Rams. But they just have so many breakdowns

518
00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:42,520
Speaker 5: all the time. It's not abating. It's an institutional failure.

519
00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:44,720
Speaker 5: At this point, McVeigh doesn't care about it. He's trying

520
00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:46,560
Speaker 5: to show he cares about it by firing someone in

521
00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:48,600
Speaker 5: season for the first time. It's not fixed all the

522
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Speaker 5: issues fixed some of them, and so that I think

523
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Speaker 5: is a big point. If they have special teams, breakdowns,

524
00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:54,960
Speaker 5: the bad weather, that's what you get into this flukey

525
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Speaker 5: turnover game where I think the best can hang in it.

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Speaker 1: Are you? Are you taking the Rams here? Not picking

527
00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:02,320
Speaker 1: all these games? But why not? I'm gonna make you

528
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Speaker 1: pick this one.

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Speaker 5: Ali, It's a tough one way. Everything in my sensibility

530
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Speaker 5: is saying. The Rams just make so much sense on paper.

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Speaker 5: When I shut my eyes and picked like the NFL

532
00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:14,240
Speaker 5: Films America's team, what does the documentary look like? I

533
00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:17,520
Speaker 5: just have an image of like shirtless Ben Johnson, Caleb

534
00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:20,359
Speaker 5: Willings on the poe Yamra Ra speeds Like that's what

535
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:22,159
Speaker 5: keeps coming to me when I shut my eyes at night,

536
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:25,200
Speaker 5: like a sadman. So it's something in me just says

537
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:27,719
Speaker 5: it's like Team of Destiny stuff with the Bears. So

538
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:32,280
Speaker 5: despite all intuition and facts, I will offuly pick the best.

539
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Speaker 4: You know, Ali, I don't think you're alone.

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Speaker 6: I think that image comes to a lot of people's

541
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Speaker 6: minds when they shut their eyes at night.

542
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Speaker 1: Wow.

543
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:42,200
Speaker 2: Wow, there's there's a lot of darkness to be drawn

544
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:45,080
Speaker 2: from obviously from shutting your eyes, but the world in general.

545
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:47,160
Speaker 2: If you shut your eyes and you see a positive

546
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Speaker 2: image of a happy coach and the.

547
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Speaker 3: Player and a fan base, that's you're winning. There's there's

548
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Speaker 3: good stuff.

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Speaker 6: I'm I got to pick the Rams because I have

550
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Speaker 6: all year. But let me mark my words. This is

551
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Speaker 6: a chaos game in waiting. I've seen too many of

552
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:02,159
Speaker 6: these things with that quarterback and that coach. This is

553
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:03,680
Speaker 6: a chaos game waiting to happen.

554
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Speaker 2: This is also for everybody listening what Jordan says before

555
00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:08,320
Speaker 2: the Rams score twenty one unanswered points.

556
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Speaker 6: Yeah, by the way, but also what I said before

557
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:11,480
Speaker 6: they lose to the Panthers.

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Speaker 1: You just say it in general. Yeah, I see maybe

559
00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:19,919
Speaker 1: them going away that the that the the Rams are

560
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:22,760
Speaker 1: ready to play their best football. And the Bears, I mean,

561
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Speaker 1: they had to catch a lot of breaks to be

562
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:26,760
Speaker 1: a faulty team. But you're right, and it is. It

563
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Speaker 1: is the the capper of the entire weekend. This is

564
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Speaker 1: the Sunday evening game, the timing a little different, the

565
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Speaker 1: six thirty East Coast type of game. And speaking of

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Speaker 1: you know, great news and winning. Justin diet Its on Instagram,

567
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Speaker 1: the account is justin underscore.

568
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Speaker 2: Big Daddy, Big Daddy Daddy.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's take a break. You can get Patrick's pick

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Speaker 1: on game debut. Oh, how about that, You're not allowed

571
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Speaker 1: to make the pick here, let's take a break like

572
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Speaker 1: Herb Street.

573
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Speaker 3: Well, you don't call it the game. So because of

574
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Speaker 3: our borol quandaries.

575
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Speaker 1: Now we'll be making all the pick on game debut.

576
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Speaker 1: Check it out NFL Network Friday evenings. We never played

577
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Speaker 1: game debut. Let's talk forty nine Ers and Seahawks after

578
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Speaker 1: the game back on NFL Daily Saturday Night Cap game.

579
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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna step on you do here past, because

580
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Speaker 1: nobody does it like you did due he still are.

581
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Speaker 3: Well, I'm back.

582
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Speaker 2: I've returned after a one game absence. The San Francisco

583
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Speaker 2: forty nine Ers are going back to Seattle where they

584
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Speaker 2: started this improbable injury plague twenty twenty five season, where

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00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:43,919
Speaker 2: the Seahawks are a seven point favorite. After that demonstrative

586
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Speaker 2: win to close out the twenty twenty five season over

587
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Speaker 2: unders forty five and a half, Kevin Burkhardt and the

588
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Speaker 2: ever improving Tom Brady are on the call, Greg Roosevelt.

589
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Speaker 3: There were skeptics. Yeah, Tom's looking good.

590
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Speaker 2: He diagrammed the dynamics of ballflight during the game expertly.

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Speaker 3: It was great. But speaking of the game, how do

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Speaker 3: you think.

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Speaker 1: This will I'm struggling. I have the least amount to

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Speaker 1: say I'm gonna be honest all this one. And maybe

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Speaker 1: it's because they just played that, that's probably it. Maybe

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Speaker 1: it's because, like the Seahawks have scored like thirteen points

597
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,639
Speaker 1: in each of these, it feels one sided. It is

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Speaker 1: the most one sided at least in terms of the

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Speaker 1: point spread, but you know, by a decent amount in

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Speaker 1: this weekend where where it's seven and it just feels like,

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Speaker 1: oh man, they lost Kitto, they lost you know, another

602
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 1: big piece, and I feel like I should throw some

603
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Speaker 1: of that week eighteen out. They were on back to

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Speaker 1: back short weeks there. I know they're on a short

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Speaker 1: week here again. But this this is the playoffs. The

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Speaker 1: thing I want to see out of the forty nine

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Speaker 1: ers that I think that they will learn from that

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Speaker 1: first meeting Ali was you can't play with a constrictor

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Speaker 1: on brock Purty. And I'm not saying like Kyle put

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Speaker 1: it on him, but the Seahawks put it on him

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Speaker 1: and his decision making put it on him. He didn't

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Speaker 1: take a shot down the field in that game, literally

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Speaker 1: didn't take one over twenty yards. That's not the brock

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Speaker 1: perty I love. And it's not like it was effective

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00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:16,119
Speaker 1: on throws under ten yards. He was fifteen for twenty Okay,

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00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:19,959
Speaker 1: that's okay for sixty five yards in an interception. So

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00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 1: not only were they not trying to throw it deep,

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Speaker 1: but it was incredibly ineffective and they were completely dominated.

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Speaker 1: I know it was thirteen to three, but the score

620
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Speaker 1: could have been a lot worse. I thought the Seahawks

621
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Speaker 1: offense played better than that final score said, it's by

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Speaker 1: some measures, the worst performance of a Kyle Shanahan offense

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Speaker 1: since he got there, and I don't think that will

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Speaker 1: happen again. But I do think it's fair to say

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Speaker 1: that they are a little overmatched personnel wise this week.

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Speaker 1: Ricky Piersoll's status I think is important because they need

627
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Speaker 1: as many weapons as they can get, and so we'll

628
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Speaker 1: find out if he's going to be available. What do

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Speaker 1: you think that they can do to kind of get

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Speaker 1: out of what was a game long rut against Seattle

631
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Speaker 1: in Week eighteen.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's tricky. I think the coverage was outstanding from

633
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Speaker 5: Seattle in that game in terms of the down the

634
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Speaker 5: field stuff. It was also the highest blitz rate Mike

635
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 5: McDonald's ever put in his career on second down. So

636
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 5: he just felt like they had an unbelievable beat on

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Speaker 5: what was coming from Shannahan, and they were able to

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00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 5: kind of limit what Christy McCaffrey could do in the

639
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 5: passing game in terms of his impact on the overall picture,

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00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 5: how he could twist and contort the shell to allow

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Speaker 5: him to cap everything over top. So you've got to

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00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 5: read on someone and you've just got better personnel than everyone.

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Speaker 5: It was pretty tough to try and find a solution.

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Speaker 5: If anyone could do it, it's Kyle Shannon. I just think

645
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 5: it's such a disadvantage that the only major advantage Seattle

646
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Speaker 5: the Niners have sorry in any game is Kyle Shannon.

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Speaker 5: I can out scheme anyone, probably not this guy. I

648
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Speaker 5: think Mike McDonald can get him too, So I just

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Speaker 5: I find it difficult to pick a path for the

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Speaker 5: Niners in this one.

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Speaker 1: Well, you just stepped into the sound we have planned

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Speaker 1: without even knowing it. Let's actually listen to Kyle Shannon

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Speaker 1: talk about the idea you have these teams knowing each

654
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Speaker 1: other so well, you.

655
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Speaker 9: Definitely can't overthink it. But it's also, at the same

656
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 9: time kind of hard to overthink. Not anything has gone

657
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 9: down since the last game. Well, they got to watch

658
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 9: seventy or so plays of whatever we did versus Philly.

659
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 9: But you know, we get in late whatever, and you

660
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:20,400
Speaker 9: know there's there's one game for us to watch, and

661
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 9: that's the one that we all watched last week. So

662
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 9: you only can watch us so much. We know each

663
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 9: other very well. We played against each other a ton.

664
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Speaker 9: The schemes even last time we played didn't change much

665
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 9: on both sides as opposed to Week one, so I

666
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 9: think both teams got an idea of exactly what to expect.

667
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Speaker 6: I love it even more because it's it was a

668
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 6: split too. Some of these iconic like Shanahan and McVeigh matchups,

669
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Speaker 6: for example, they would always be you can't beat a

670
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Speaker 6: team three times when you finally see each other in

671
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Speaker 6: the postseason, and that was the Rams calling card during

672
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Speaker 6: that Super Bowl run.

673
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Speaker 4: You know this is we are lucky.

674
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Speaker 6: First of all that we can see this clash of Titans,

675
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 6: as Greg would say, in the postseason. In this way,

676
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 6: I think one of the big swing points here is

677
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 6: that Trent Williams will be playing in this game. I

678
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 6: know they don't have George Kittle and so some of

679
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 6: their blocking surface is going to be affected by that.

680
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 6: But Trent Williams being a factor in at least trying

681
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 6: to get this run game going, in settling in helping

682
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Speaker 6: with it. In past pro where Patrick noted or before

683
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 6: we started taping, Seattle is a little bit banged up

684
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 6: there on the edges, this could be a huge swing

685
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 6: point in terms of having Trent Williams to the best

686
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 6: of his ability on the field in a must win game.

687
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 3: The on all stats historically with Trent are incredible.

688
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 2: I know it's fallen off in recent years as his

689
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 2: health has kind of been the question there, but his

690
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 2: performance and albeit against that side of the Eagles rush

691
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 2: where yeah, they got a couple of pressures, but there's

692
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Speaker 2: also several plays where the player that's lined across from

693
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Speaker 2: Trent Williams might as.

694
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Speaker 3: Well not even be involved in the game. And I

695
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 3: think that his absence.

696
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 2: Literally, like I think mentally, big deal impacts Brock to

697
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 2: the extent where being concerned about him not being over

698
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 2: there is a part of the process as well.

699
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 3: But he added that.

700
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 2: DeMarcus Lawrence situation, and there's there's reason to believe, right,

701
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:20,960
Speaker 2: there's reason to believe that these circumstances that led to

702
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 2: that very low output. Obviously, Christian passing the ball back

703
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 2: to the defender in the red zone was a big

704
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 2: part of the score being in the way it did.

705
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 2: And I recognized that the Seahawks offense could have been

706
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 2: laid better, as you pointed out, Greg, but they ultimately

707
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 2: didn't like that they beat them in Week one, And

708
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 2: I think there's reason to believe where if you're the

709
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 2: Seattle Seahawks, you want to avoid being Lon Hammond, right,

710
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 2: the James Marsden character from the notebook.

711
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 3: That is a pretty good guy. Right, great opportunity.

712
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Speaker 1: I mean, you got a lot of blank stares for

713
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 1: that one.

714
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 3: Well, the parallels.

715
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 1: Are here, yeah, but them stay with them.

716
00:32:57,680 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 3: Those two were meant to be together.

717
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 2: Oh, and a potential NFC championship game with Sean McVay

718
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 2: and Kyle Shanahan, Oh, they might be meant to be together.

719
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 2: And so that's what the Seahawks have to do. They

720
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 2: have to be better than Lon Hammond was in the

721
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 2: number of the fam Nicholas.

722
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 3: Sparks movie where spoiler alert, they both died.

723
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 1: Oh shoot, I didn't know that. I thought it was

724
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 1: a romance.

725
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 3: I mean, it takes a while to get there, but

726
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 3: you know.

727
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 1: I mean, and as Kyle Shanaan famously said, none of

728
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 1: us know we're going to be here next Sunday.

729
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 3: If we're in a Nicholas Sparks book, you're probably not

730
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 3: gonna make it.

731
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 1: We literally could be here next Sunday because if that

732
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 1: matchup happened, it'd be the five Seed Rams hosting the

733
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 1: NFC Championship, kind of like the Texans have a chance,

734
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 1: Well we'll talk about them in a minute, to host

735
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 1: the AFC Championship. If it's it's Bills that's getting way

736
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 1: ahead of it. I look at this Seattle team and

737
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 1: I think like they are so perfectly built for this moment.

738
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 1: I think the idea when you high Mike McDonald was

739
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 1: essentially to be the Shanahan McVeigh stopper. He got that job,

740
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 1: you know, in part because of having some proof of

741
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 1: concept of that when he was in Baltimore. Brock Purty

742
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:14,319
Speaker 1: has not played his best games against the Seattle group,

743
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 1: including in Week one where the biggest play of the

744
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 1: game was a ball that he probably shouldn't have thrown,

745
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 1: and I kind of forget exactly who it was, but

746
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 1: someone like wrestled the ball away from Seattle who should

747
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 1: have had the interception, and that was the game winning

748
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 1: touchdown in a seventeen to thirteen game. That's tals stake.

749
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 1: It's been the day.

750
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 6: Who has not been bad in spelling George Kittle for

751
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:37,240
Speaker 6: multiple games this season?

752
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 1: No, and like I think he is built to do

753
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 1: it on that side. It's really the other side that,

754
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:45,759
Speaker 1: like to me, is more of an open box of

755
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 1: like what is going to happen? What do you think

756
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 1: is going to happen when Seattle has the ball? Ali

757
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 1: the forty nine ers in that last game, again not

758
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 1: to just go on it, but again Seattle wasn't played,

759
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 1: Sin said they couldn't tackle anyone in that game, and

760
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 1: another injury to keep an on his dire Brown, their

761
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 1: safety got hurt against the Eagles, and so I think

762
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 1: they're going to have a replacement there too. If you

763
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 1: go back to that Week one game, by the way,

764
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 1: it'd be about eleven or twelve different starters for the

765
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:13,719
Speaker 1: forty nine ers than they had back in Week one,

766
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 1: So just a completely different team. Yeah.

767
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 5: I mean, they can't tackle anyone period anyway unless it's

768
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 5: the Eagles, and everyone knows what they're doing before the snap.

769
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:26,799
Speaker 5: So that's the problem. No matter what, I can't get

770
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 5: over it. They have a twenty two percent pressure rate

771
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 5: with a four man rush that is historically terrible for

772
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 5: a playoff team. That felt to eleven percent against the Eagles. Again,

773
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 5: not a real NFL franchise with the offense they're running.

774
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:41,799
Speaker 5: So it's just hard to get through a game with

775
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:45,319
Speaker 5: that kind of production. And you're only really betting on

776
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:48,240
Speaker 5: Sam Donald's speeding himself up and gagging the game away.

777
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 5: That's kind of the bet you make going in. And

778
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 5: Robert Salad deserves so much credit for the work he's

779
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 5: done this year. They are tough, they are disciplined, they

780
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 5: fly around, they hit everyone. But it's not as though

781
00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 5: he's the Warlock style of coach. He's going to come

782
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 5: with all the crazy different disguises, try and freak you

783
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:04,799
Speaker 5: out with coverage and force interception. That way they line

784
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 5: up and play that you can basically boocket that coverages

785
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 5: by three. There's three different ones they run. You can

786
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 5: get a pretty good sense on what it is before

787
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 5: the snab So to just play that style straight up

788
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:16,319
Speaker 5: and not have unrelenting pressure, it's difficult to get through

789
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 5: one postseason game, let alone a bunch, And so it

790
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 5: would come down to I think Donald just kind of

791
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 5: losing his mind, feeling pressure that's not there and throwing

792
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 5: the ball away.

793
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 6: And Seattle now has an answer if they start to

794
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 6: fear that creeping in and they're running the ball. Their

795
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 6: run game over through the month of December dramatically improved.

796
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 4: It started to come together.

797
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 6: It especially the two back system that they want to use,

798
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 6: especially was on display in their last matchup against the

799
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 6: forty nine ers, where they did quite adequately hide some

800
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 6: of the deficiencies at quarterback, some of the panic that

801
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 6: could have set in with some of those pure dropbacks

802
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:55,279
Speaker 6: when Robert Salad does show up, maybe a cloudier look

803
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:57,399
Speaker 6: in the back end. They just were running the ball.

804
00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 6: Clint Kubiak knows that that is just the way to

805
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:04,360
Speaker 6: work around any sort of unsettling moments that could happen

806
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 6: for Sam Darnold, and their run game is finally coming

807
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 6: to life in a way that they envisioned it would.

808
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I kind of want I want to see how

809
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 1: consistent that is because the matchup is great. They're averaging

810
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 1: over one hundred and seventy yards on the ground the

811
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 1: last three weeks and San Francisco they actually are healthy

812
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 1: in the back end. Not Gyre Brown, but for the

813
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 1: most part, that's kind of the secondary that they more

814
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 1: or less expected to have coming into the season, and

815
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:29,800
Speaker 1: I think it's a it's a solid secondary. The problem

816
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 1: is is yes, the pass rush, but but also the

817
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 1: run defense too. Like you're gonna have Cleveland Ferrell out there,

818
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:38,839
Speaker 1: who you know back in the day, that's what that's

819
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 1: what he was drafted for. But you know, it's been

820
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 1: a while and it's Keon White and it's some overmatched

821
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:48,760
Speaker 1: rookies and if this Seattle offensive line is truly happening

822
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:51,840
Speaker 1: like that, to me is the most obvious path to

823
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 1: them winning a Super Bowl. And certainly you would think

824
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:57,839
Speaker 1: that they would have the advantage like on the ground

825
00:37:57,880 --> 00:37:58,399
Speaker 1: in this match.

826
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, and not only did try Cross get that deal,

827
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 2: but he was able to to not play last week

828
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:07,319
Speaker 2: and have the buye uh as he recovers and to

829
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:10,879
Speaker 2: get back to attack this defense that really doesn't have

830
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:12,319
Speaker 2: a lot of tools to attack you with.

831
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:14,760
Speaker 3: But it's it's.

832
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 2: Such a fun matchup, and I am I'm not as

833
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:23,400
Speaker 2: concerned Okay Donald propensity here. I don't think that's that's

834
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 2: where things go wrong. I think, you know, Kyle talked

835
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 2: about the the inability to overthink, but also that you

836
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:34,840
Speaker 2: can overthink. And I think Kyle Shanahan maybe has something

837
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 2: in store for the Seattle Seahawks, or maybe.

838
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:41,440
Speaker 4: They're im Kyle's playing receiver.

839
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, just come out, just some surprise or used check

840
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 1: out wie. I do think, you know, when when veterans

841
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:48,799
Speaker 1: talk about, you know, handling the bye week and all

842
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 1: that stuff, they talk about like how hard you you

843
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:53,880
Speaker 1: need to go during that bye week and sometimes maybe

844
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 1: like a young coach an organization that hasn't been through it,

845
00:38:56,680 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 1: maybe UH could struggle there. What is your Donald concern

846
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 1: level entering the playoffs in general and especially in this.

847
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 5: Matchup, probably A five. I think he's the single biggest

848
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:14,400
Speaker 5: pivot player in the entire postseason picture, because if he

849
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 5: is just okay and above water, I think they're the

850
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 5: front runners. If he's good, they are the overwhelming favorites. Me.

851
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 5: The roster is so stacked both sides of the ball,

852
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 5: they can win a game in any way you want.

853
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 5: If it's a rock fight defensively, they can do it.

854
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 5: They have the talent to win a shootout. If it's

855
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 5: just explosive play. For explosive play, they can go toe

856
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:32,840
Speaker 5: to toe of anyone. I think, as Jordan mentioned with

857
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 5: the Run game, they can kind of win a grind

858
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 5: out game now just lean into the run game if

859
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:39,319
Speaker 5: Donald's not there. So even if he's just okay, I

860
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 5: think they should be the favorites to go and win all.

861
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:43,840
Speaker 5: If he does have a true meltdown where he's just

862
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 5: perceiving pressure that doesn't exist, he starts throwing the ball away,

863
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 5: that would be the concern. I would put that at

864
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 5: about a five because I just don't have complete trust

865
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 5: in him yet.

866
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:53,880
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think that's a good way to put it,

867
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:57,399
Speaker 6: because his ceiling is so high in part because he's

868
00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 6: not afraid to throw it. Like the resilient from this guy,

869
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 6: I think is exactly what you want if you know

870
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 6: that the floor is that low, right, because you have

871
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 6: to keep you have to keep playing, you have to

872
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 6: wipe it. The way that he has been so good

873
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 6: at just almost like the Men in Black like flash thing,

874
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 6: like he just it's almost like he doesn't even remember

875
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:18,399
Speaker 6: it ever happened. And so I think that that's really

876
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 6: important because you might have moments like that, they have

877
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 6: more answers to, you know, settle him down when if

878
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:26,879
Speaker 6: he does have moments.

879
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:28,799
Speaker 4: Like that, but he also just wipes it, like he

880
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 4: just forgets.

881
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 6: And there's a great feature out right now my colleague

882
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 6: Michael Sean Dugar, who just wrote a Seahawks book as well,

883
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:37,440
Speaker 6: in the Legion of Boom Era, about Sam Darnold and

884
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:40,319
Speaker 6: sort of the way that he tries to clear those

885
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:42,279
Speaker 6: things from his mind. I think that he's maybe one

886
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:44,879
Speaker 6: of the best quarterbacks who's going to be in this

887
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 6: next round of the postseason at actually doing that, and

888
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 6: it's a really really underrated gift to have.

889
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 3: He's had to though, which is the problems that's so

890
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 3: much trauma.

891
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:56,279
Speaker 1: Patrick Well, it's like I think like that, except he's

892
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 1: just better. Yeah, but he's going to have to be

893
00:40:59,160 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 1: a lot better.

894
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 2: On seven point two percent of Sam's pressure dropbacks there

895
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:06,320
Speaker 2: was a turnover either an interception or fumble, is the

896
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 2: highest rate in the NFL.

897
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 3: So there is there.

898
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 2: It is if the forty nine ers can and that's

899
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:14,839
Speaker 2: the biggest if in the postseason at this juncture, if

900
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:17,840
Speaker 2: this team that on to historic level cannot get pressure

901
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:20,719
Speaker 2: before somebody I guess falls down and they get to

902
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 2: Sam maybe the ball.

903
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:23,359
Speaker 1: It doesn't even feel like it's an if. It's just

904
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:26,919
Speaker 1: not gonna happen. And uh, I'm leaving open a room

905
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:31,239
Speaker 1: for for brock In Kyle kind of as a as

906
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:33,839
Speaker 1: a tandem because because that is.

907
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 5: Untunges, Yes, sont sleep Hunges is really really good. He

908
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 5: is not George Kittle, and he doesn't give you the

909
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:42,760
Speaker 5: game same kind of threat in the past game as Kittle,

910
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:44,719
Speaker 5: which then springs the roong game because you're worried about

911
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 5: him leaking out. But he destroys people in the rung

912
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 5: game and that's really important to me. And he is

913
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 5: pretty frisky and shifty at the top of the route.

914
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 5: And I'm going all in on a big Jig Tunges game.

915
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:58,319
Speaker 2: Okay, the week one Jake Tung's game winning touchdown when

916
00:41:58,320 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 2: we all had to google who he is.

917
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 3: It was for shadowing to get to this point.

918
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 1: And you said, you said on Blue Sky, believe you

919
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 1: know that Kyle Shanahan deserves to be in the Hall

920
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:10,359
Speaker 1: of Fame in general, but the job that he's done

921
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 1: specifically this year. And if you think about where the

922
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:14,239
Speaker 1: forty nine ers were kind of come into the year,

923
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 1: the thought was a little bit like this is almost

924
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 1: like a retrenchment year. It's very similar to what happened

925
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 1: to the twenty four Buffalo Bills, and that they ended

926
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 1: up being much better than people expected. And that's even

927
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 1: before the injuries happened. This was supposed to be sort

928
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 1: of a rebuilding ish year before the injuries happened. And

929
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:35,840
Speaker 1: so in a one game playoff. It's why the NFL

930
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 1: is so great. You have an all time coach, you

931
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 1: have a quarterback who's ceiling to me is sky high,

932
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 1: like the very best of brock Purty. If you can

933
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 1: get that for four quarters, he could just lose his

934
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 1: absolute mind. Together with an all time Hall of Fame

935
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 1: Christian McCaffrey, I'm not even gonna call him a running back,

936
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 1: just a weapon like that, that is the route to

937
00:42:57,239 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 1: making this interesting. And then the Seahawks in a close game,

938
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 1: a situation they haven't been you know, in as a group,

939
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 1: maybe feeling it a little bit more, and it's late.

940
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 1: There is a little bit of the forty nine ers

941
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 1: have a little bit of the same vibes of the

942
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 1: Bears of like nobody expected us and it's all gravy.

943
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 6: But don't forget about this one very important fact. Actually

944
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 6: you brought it up earlier in this segment.

945
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:17,920
Speaker 4: Greg.

946
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 6: It is a future Hall of Fame coach. It is

947
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 6: one of the best coaches we've ever seen coach in

948
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 6: this league. The way that he's coaching right now, the

949
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 6: best of his career, facing the best challenger he's ever had.

950
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:33,719
Speaker 1: It's important. I love it. We're going to be doing

951
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:37,319
Speaker 1: this live on YouTube. We're going to be recapping the

952
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 1: Saturday games. So that's the one coming up that we're

953
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 1: going to talk about Buffalo and Denver and then San

954
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 1: Francisco and Seattle. That's me and Nick Shook. And by

955
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 1: the way, we've heard from the listeners who are like,

956
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:48,880
Speaker 1: where is it. First of all, you can you can

957
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 1: find it on you know, tweeting it out and I'm

958
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:53,760
Speaker 1: putting it out on Blue Sky and so the links

959
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:56,880
Speaker 1: are there, but it's on the NFL feed and then

960
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 1: you want to watch it later, you just scroll down

961
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 1: on the NFL Daily page and it's under collaborations.

962
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 4: But I know we got kind of promoted on people.

963
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:06,239
Speaker 1: Have been saying that they couldn't find it.

964
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 3: Also NFL Daily YouTube.

965
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I mean.

966
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 2: The search will take you. Google and YouTube have a

967
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 2: great relationship. It's actually the same thing.

968
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:16,840
Speaker 1: So there we go, Allie, unless you have any big

969
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 1: last points you want to make, uh, you hammered it

970
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 1: home today. Enjoy enjoy your week on the Read Optional podcast.

971
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:29,880
Speaker 1: Everyone check out his substack as well, and enjoy the games.

972
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 1: Thanks Ollie, Thank you guys. That was Ally Connelly from Manchester.

973
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 1: We got great guests all show. After the break, you

974
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 1: will hear us talking to Seth Payne, former Texans great

975
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 1: back on NFL Daily. We hit the NFC and now

976
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:59,239
Speaker 1: it's time for one of my favorite annual moments on

977
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 1: the podcast, the moment where the Houston Texans have made

978
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 1: themselves nationally relevant enough to welcome in Seth payin.

979
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:13,719
Speaker 7: Oh, you set me up on that one, Greg, It's

980
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:14,360
Speaker 7: not even.

981
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 1: True because we've had you every preseason two. We we

982
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 1: love the Texans. We're in that. When I say we,

983
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 1: I mean me, Patrick and Jordan, all card carrying members

984
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:28,400
Speaker 1: of the Seth Heads. We're just fans of what Seth

985
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 1: Pain does. They're obviously the co host of pain and

986
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 1: Pendergas down in Houston, but also has a great YouTube channel.

987
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:40,520
Speaker 1: And you made it. Although you're not going to Foxborough

988
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 1: this weekend. You're staying home.

989
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:44,879
Speaker 10: No, no, no, I'm not going to Foxborough. I can't

990
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:47,359
Speaker 10: look listen. I picked the wrong week to get back

991
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 10: on Twitter because I you know, I go through phases

992
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 10: or I got I gotta streamline things. This is this

993
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 10: is driving me insane that this somehow still even though

994
00:45:57,680 --> 00:45:59,800
Speaker 10: we're in the playoffs now, and yet so much just

995
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:03,359
Speaker 10: us about the Patriots is like a debate of who

996
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:06,839
Speaker 10: should make the college football playoffs. And I see, like, wow,

997
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:09,759
Speaker 10: that's a quality loss right there. You haven't how many

998
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 10: quality wins did the Texans.

999
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 7: I don't care. I don't care. Both good teams I

1000
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:17,319
Speaker 7: play each other. They've got strengths, they've got weaknesses.

1001
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 1: I agree with that. It was like the Texans haven't

1002
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:23,320
Speaker 1: played a blank offense in a while, but the Patriots

1003
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 1: haven't played this even And then I also saw from

1004
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 1: one of my favorite Texans follows, which is an account

1005
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 1: called I think Houston Stressens or something like that. I

1006
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:34,920
Speaker 1: like them. They were very upset that they saw the

1007
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:38,760
Speaker 1: NFL dot Com picks and six out of ten picked

1008
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:41,520
Speaker 1: the Patriots to win the game, And honestly, like they

1009
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:45,719
Speaker 1: were aghast and they couldn't believe the level of disrespect

1010
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 1: and they were just shocked. They were like I thought

1011
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:50,399
Speaker 1: everyone would know that, Texans, And I'm thinking, like, this

1012
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:54,320
Speaker 1: is what we're taking for disrespect that our friend Grant

1013
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:58,360
Speaker 1: Gordon and uh, you know whoever else is making those picks,

1014
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 1: Colleen Wolf that sixty percent of them are taking the Patriots.

1015
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 1: In case you're curious, Patch, well.

1016
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:04,959
Speaker 3: It's the weight. It's the weight.

1017
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 2: So if there's one, all it takes is that amount

1018
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:11,400
Speaker 2: of disrespect. If you hit that critical mass of disrespect,

1019
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:13,399
Speaker 2: then you know that the team and the fan base

1020
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:15,880
Speaker 2: can my extra hard and be motivated to within a

1021
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:16,800
Speaker 2: football That's.

1022
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 10: What that's, right, Chips on shoulders is what we're about here. Yeah,

1023
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:24,279
Speaker 10: Houston Stress. His handle is at Texans Commenter. He's he's

1024
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 10: a really good source from He's basically a part time

1025
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 10: producer for our show.

1026
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 7: Yeah, we'll never pay him. We'll never pay him.

1027
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 4: He wants that on the record.

1028
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 3: Hold up.

1029
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:34,799
Speaker 7: Yeah, good to know.

1030
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 1: And these two teams they're trying to go where you know,

1031
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 1: they haven't been before. Obviously it's it's a unique situation

1032
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:45,400
Speaker 1: for this Patriots team with such a young quarterback in

1033
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 1: a first year head coach in vaybel but for the

1034
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 1: Texan and I think this is true of it an

1035
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 1: AFC field where I divide up these four teams and

1036
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:57,440
Speaker 1: I think they've got all about an equal twenty five

1037
00:47:57,480 --> 00:47:59,799
Speaker 1: percent chance to make the Super Bowl because I think

1038
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 1: maybe the teams where I give a little bit of

1039
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 1: an edge too or on the road, which is like

1040
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:06,800
Speaker 1: just a small disadvantage. And I can't remember ever having

1041
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 1: any conference have a feel like that. Is there kind

1042
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:13,799
Speaker 1: of a sense with this Texans team, which is on

1043
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:17,360
Speaker 1: such a run after starting zero to three, that like,

1044
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 1: compared to the last couple of years, that the ceiling

1045
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 1: is a championship, that it is a little different this

1046
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:27,120
Speaker 1: year than maybe the last couple of divisional rounds that

1047
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:27,759
Speaker 1: they've made it to.

1048
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 10: It is, and you know, that doesn't mean there aren't

1049
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 10: some serious concerns and reservations about how complete the football

1050
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 10: team is. If they win a championship, it's going to

1051
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 10: be a defensive led championship and that's rare. You know,

1052
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 10: go back to the twenty fifteen Broncos or the Legion

1053
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:49,600
Speaker 10: of Beams Boom Seahawks, and this team still doesn't even

1054
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:52,360
Speaker 10: have some of those same elements. There's some things that

1055
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:54,959
Speaker 10: have gotten better in the second half of the season offensively,

1056
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:57,759
Speaker 10: as we watched Sheldon Rankins about to go go for

1057
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 10: a touchdown here that play, by the way, Sheldon Rankins

1058
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:02,920
Speaker 10: absolutely destroyed the left guard.

1059
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 1: It was beautiful.

1060
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:07,440
Speaker 10: That was the best part if you want. Yeah, so

1061
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:12,359
Speaker 10: I get distracted by it. The whole thing is the

1062
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 10: offense is mediocre and they've had their moments. The offensive

1063
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:20,319
Speaker 10: line has improved drastically, but it's because they were so

1064
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:23,400
Speaker 10: bad last year and I'd say they're an okay offensive

1065
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:27,759
Speaker 10: line this year. Can you ride a defense through the playoffs,

1066
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:31,480
Speaker 10: you know, feasting on turnovers, scoring on defense, all those things,

1067
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:34,800
Speaker 10: That's what I would be nervous about. But this defense

1068
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:37,480
Speaker 10: is also capable of doing some really special things, and

1069
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 10: it makes it exciting. It's such an exciting defense to watch,

1070
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:43,319
Speaker 10: and it's such a lovable group of guys that you

1071
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 10: just kind of you throw reason out the window a

1072
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:48,720
Speaker 10: little bit and say, you know what, if there's anybody

1073
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:49,840
Speaker 10: that can do it, it's this squad.

1074
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 3: Yeah. In the way that they do it.

1075
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:54,480
Speaker 2: It becomes like a topic of conversation where the questions

1076
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:56,279
Speaker 2: to Mike Vrabel this week are about, you know, the

1077
00:49:56,320 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 2: familiarity with Josh McDaniels and all of the crossover between

1078
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 2: the staff and the organizations, and Vrable's like, well, they

1079
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:05,719
Speaker 2: play a pretty similar defense to the way that they've

1080
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 2: played it, and they're not trying to hide and disguise

1081
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:12,720
Speaker 2: a whole bunch, which makes it fun to watch where

1082
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:16,239
Speaker 2: you know, when you know when Hunter and Anderson are on

1083
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:18,319
Speaker 2: the field, like the way that they are going to

1084
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:20,680
Speaker 2: pressure and attack the quarterback, which is why we're glad

1085
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:23,000
Speaker 2: that tourman. Folks, you know a little bit of the

1086
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 2: stakes and the circumstances. This is Monday Football crew, This

1087
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:29,440
Speaker 2: is Buck and Troy Aikman. With New England being a

1088
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:32,200
Speaker 2: three point favorite at home? Are they over under it's

1089
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:34,040
Speaker 2: forty and a half. You feel like that's.

1090
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:37,480
Speaker 1: Disrespectful, Well to to the Texans, clearly you.

1091
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:39,840
Speaker 3: See it as disrespect I see it as motivation.

1092
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 1: Trying to the choice of crew is disrespect No, No,

1093
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:44,919
Speaker 1: the line.

1094
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 3: I appreciate you.

1095
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:49,440
Speaker 2: Checking there because Greg is going to take you know,

1096
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:52,239
Speaker 2: maybe a swipe at the crew. But I do think

1097
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:53,880
Speaker 2: the line is to generate the most action and the

1098
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 2: most income for the gambling institutions, but just in terms

1099
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:00,280
Speaker 2: of the way that they play. Love to see it, George,

1100
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:04,719
Speaker 2: I am concerned about this Jake Andrews situation because it's

1101
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:06,799
Speaker 2: not just It's not just last week. There's been some

1102
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 2: adventurous Texans snaps all season. There's been like accidental touchdowns

1103
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 2: won the CJ. Stroud scored where you wonder there was

1104
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:16,640
Speaker 2: a bounce pass snap to CJ.

1105
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:19,799
Speaker 3: Stroud. It seems like that kind of hilarity for both

1106
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 3: teams because.

1107
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:22,840
Speaker 2: We know Drake may can hold onto the ball against

1108
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 2: some long edge rushers that are going to get the

1109
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 2: ball out, where the hilarity made aside the game and

1110
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 2: both teams are prone to do it.

1111
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 6: Yeah, this is going to be a fascinating matchup to

1112
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 6: me because both of these teams have similar strengths and

1113
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:39,319
Speaker 6: the Texans have one glaring weakness where the Patriots have

1114
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:42,000
Speaker 6: it as a strength in terms of their passing game,

1115
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:45,759
Speaker 6: and yet the Houston Texans defense and pass rush specifically

1116
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:49,080
Speaker 6: might nullify that to where this is good on good

1117
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:51,120
Speaker 6: defense playing each other. This is going to be a

1118
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:53,479
Speaker 6: clinic in teams that do not miss tackles. As Greg

1119
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:56,719
Speaker 6: mentioned the other day, it's also kind of strange that

1120
00:51:56,760 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 6: this both of these defenses for as solid as they're playing.

1121
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:02,040
Speaker 6: And I've been on the record many times Seth saying

1122
00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:04,480
Speaker 6: that the Texans defense is my favorite defense in the

1123
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 6: league because they know that they're not hiding anything from you.

1124
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:10,719
Speaker 6: They're just better than you and like they and they

1125
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:12,520
Speaker 6: act like it, and they are joyful. I was in

1126
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:14,440
Speaker 6: that locker room when they were here in Los Angeles,

1127
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:16,719
Speaker 6: and I had the best time. It was so much

1128
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:19,640
Speaker 6: fun talking to those guys. They're such good guys and like,

1129
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 6: so this to me is like the Houston Texans. If

1130
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:27,799
Speaker 6: they can neutralize Drake May enough and get to him

1131
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:31,160
Speaker 6: enough to force these little underneath concepts, then you don't

1132
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:33,480
Speaker 6: even get a shot to exploit the weakness of this

1133
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 6: Texans defense, which actually, strangely a little bit susceptible to

1134
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:39,200
Speaker 6: the explosive pass play.

1135
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:41,759
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's that's the big one.

1136
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 10: If you had asked me, Okay, what are you nervous

1137
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:47,160
Speaker 10: about in any given week with the Texans defense, they're

1138
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:50,239
Speaker 10: you know, they're top five, top three in just about

1139
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:55,479
Speaker 10: every major statistical category explosive passes or explosive plays allowed.

1140
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:57,799
Speaker 10: They're around the middle of the pack, so it's not

1141
00:52:57,840 --> 00:52:59,320
Speaker 10: like they're awful at it, but that is one of

1142
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:02,360
Speaker 10: the things that they're not top notch at. And the

1143
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:05,040
Speaker 10: interesting thing is that a lot of them come because

1144
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:09,399
Speaker 10: of blown coverages. It's not necessarily because of physical mismatches.

1145
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:13,560
Speaker 10: It's because guys don't sort things out properly. That's where

1146
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:17,439
Speaker 10: it gets really interesting when you think about the Josh

1147
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:21,759
Speaker 10: McDaniels dynamic and being able to watch anything that's flummexed

1148
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:24,600
Speaker 10: the Texans. Sometimes it's just been that Kamari Lassiter has

1149
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:26,560
Speaker 10: been out of the game and then everything falls apart

1150
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:28,880
Speaker 10: on that side of the field. But I think that

1151
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:33,399
Speaker 10: Josh McDaniel's understanding how we might be able to dial

1152
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:36,040
Speaker 10: up some deep shots, but that at the same time

1153
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:39,080
Speaker 10: provide the protection and the time to do it. And

1154
00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:41,719
Speaker 10: that's where I think Drake May's running ability comes in,

1155
00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:44,560
Speaker 10: not in his ability to run.

1156
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:46,440
Speaker 7: For positive yardage, because obviously.

1157
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:48,560
Speaker 10: You can do that, but in the designed run game,

1158
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:50,600
Speaker 10: which you know we've seen them do. I was just

1159
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:52,920
Speaker 10: watching the Bills game. I'm only through the first half,

1160
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:57,080
Speaker 10: so I assume that works out would.

1161
00:53:56,840 --> 00:54:02,080
Speaker 7: Swell for the early on. Drake May has that designed run.

1162
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:04,319
Speaker 10: Last week they ran a little or is a couple

1163
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:05,960
Speaker 10: of weeks ago whenever, sometime in the last couple of

1164
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:08,759
Speaker 10: weeks they ran like a veer option in short yardage,

1165
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:11,279
Speaker 10: that kind of stuff in using it to set up

1166
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:13,040
Speaker 10: play action or just to take a little bit of

1167
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:15,920
Speaker 10: pepper off the edge rushers. I think that's something that

1168
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:18,200
Speaker 10: Josh McDaniels is going to scheme up this week. Some

1169
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 10: of the misdirection in the backfield can can be a

1170
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:24,000
Speaker 10: weakness or at least at times some of the bad

1171
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:26,160
Speaker 10: moments for either Danil Hunter or Will Anderson.

1172
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:27,719
Speaker 7: That's one way to get them.

1173
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:29,440
Speaker 10: Yeah, you know, I'm not saying you can do it

1174
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:32,480
Speaker 10: consistently or it's a huge weakness or anything, but it's

1175
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:34,480
Speaker 10: you know, if you try to double team them both

1176
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:36,960
Speaker 10: and you got three guys out on routes and it's

1177
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 10: it's hard to spring up play that way.

1178
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:41,960
Speaker 1: They've been, you know, reticent to use Drake May like

1179
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:44,239
Speaker 1: that all season. Everyone's kind of been calling for and

1180
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:46,200
Speaker 1: I think that Bill's game you point out that the

1181
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:49,680
Speaker 1: very play you even point out was actually I think

1182
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:51,959
Speaker 1: a turning point where it was like, Okay, maybe they're

1183
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:54,319
Speaker 1: doing the Josh Allen thing that they did when Josh

1184
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:56,520
Speaker 1: Allen was young in Buffalo. It's like, once you get

1185
00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:58,879
Speaker 1: close to the very end in the biggest games, now

1186
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:01,200
Speaker 1: we start, you know, break mess out. And I think

1187
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:06,040
Speaker 1: they're going to have to because the physical mismatches in

1188
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:09,600
Speaker 1: terms of just pure talent in terms of the receivers,

1189
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:12,359
Speaker 1: and keseh On Booty is underrated and Stefan Diggs that's

1190
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:15,080
Speaker 1: a great revenge game. Angle also a revenge game for

1191
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:18,320
Speaker 1: Jake Andrews by the way, for former former Patriot. Uh,

1192
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:21,759
Speaker 1: you know it's gonna be locked coming back. You just

1193
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:25,359
Speaker 1: think it's such a mismatch. Let's actually listen to a

1194
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:28,640
Speaker 1: clip I saw on the Texans you know, twitter feed

1195
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:31,080
Speaker 1: this week of just the defensive backs, which I just

1196
00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:34,279
Speaker 1: thought like gave a feel to the spirit of this

1197
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:36,440
Speaker 1: incredible Texans secondary.

1198
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:40,719
Speaker 7: Let me tell you we.

1199
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:44,640
Speaker 2: Really got the best TV though they can't my message.

1200
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:46,839
Speaker 7: Remember, hold let.

1201
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:57,400
Speaker 3: Me tell you so we zero for zero paths.

1202
00:55:57,280 --> 00:56:07,680
Speaker 1: For whom pig six he said, we that is Kabari

1203
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:13,040
Speaker 1: Lassiter and uh, Jalen Petree, Derek Stingley and Caden Bullock.

1204
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:16,239
Speaker 1: Kalen Buock Uh there as well, and actually I would

1205
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:18,799
Speaker 1: recommend everyone watched the whole thing because we couldn't play

1206
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:21,000
Speaker 1: a whole minute of it. But they are delightful and

1207
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:24,720
Speaker 1: they might be the best secondary that we've seen since

1208
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:27,040
Speaker 1: that no Fly zone in Denver.

1209
00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:27,919
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1210
00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:30,080
Speaker 10: Well, the interesting about that video too is you see

1211
00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:32,399
Speaker 10: four guys there right, and you think, okay, well they're

1212
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:34,480
Speaker 10: in nickel a bunch. They got five defensive backs on

1213
00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:37,960
Speaker 10: the field. Where's the fifth guy? Nobody knows. Nobody knows

1214
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:40,840
Speaker 10: who the safety opposite Kalen Block is. From week it

1215
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:42,839
Speaker 10: started off, it was going to be Jimmy Ward, then

1216
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:44,839
Speaker 10: it was going to be C. J. Gardner Johnson, then

1217
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:46,520
Speaker 10: it was going to be Jalen Read the draft pick,

1218
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:49,000
Speaker 10: but he got injured and we got Miles Bryant, We've

1219
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:52,000
Speaker 10: got uh, at least five different guys have played that

1220
00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:55,239
Speaker 10: other safety position. And again going back to Josh McDaniels

1221
00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:57,520
Speaker 10: and trying to figure out how do you exploit the

1222
00:56:58,080 --> 00:57:02,319
Speaker 10: rotating crew of safety opposite Caleon Bullock. That's that's one

1223
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:04,680
Speaker 10: thing that I think that Josh McDaniels might really be

1224
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:05,520
Speaker 10: looking hard at.

1225
00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:08,759
Speaker 6: Seth because, uh, they're going to go back to this

1226
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:11,840
Speaker 6: Steelers tape and one of the few positive plays that

1227
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:15,360
Speaker 6: the Steelers had was doing exactly that. The second Jalen

1228
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:18,360
Speaker 6: Reed left the game. Unfortunately due to that injury, they

1229
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:21,120
Speaker 6: sent DK across the middle of the field protected just

1230
00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:24,800
Speaker 6: long enough to exploit that deep that intermediate slash deep

1231
00:57:24,840 --> 00:57:28,400
Speaker 6: middle because the corners they don't travel. They pass them off.

1232
00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:30,680
Speaker 6: I think very well, they passed their coverages off very

1233
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:34,200
Speaker 6: very well. But when you don't have that safety in

1234
00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:37,520
Speaker 6: the communication chain, he sudden change coming into the game

1235
00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:40,080
Speaker 6: as a substitute, or maybe he's just not you know,

1236
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:42,200
Speaker 6: quite up to up to the standard based on all

1237
00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:43,800
Speaker 6: the people that were supposed to be playing in front

1238
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:46,560
Speaker 6: of him. You know, that's that's a problem. That's the

1239
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:48,120
Speaker 6: exact little spot on the field.

1240
00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:49,360
Speaker 4: You look at the heat chart.

1241
00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:51,720
Speaker 6: Patrick and I were geeking out over the next Gen

1242
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:55,160
Speaker 6: SAT's heat chart. That's exactly that area right there where

1243
00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:57,919
Speaker 6: that safety is supposed to carry on that communication chain

1244
00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:00,480
Speaker 6: and help is supposed to be there on these like

1245
00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:04,160
Speaker 6: digs and daggers. If they can protect Drake May long enough,

1246
00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:06,920
Speaker 6: that's something to be very very cognitive.

1247
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:09,120
Speaker 4: I just don't think they can protect Drake May long

1248
00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:11,080
Speaker 4: enough to get to those plays.

1249
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:13,080
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's the beauty. I mean, that's the fun of

1250
00:58:13,080 --> 00:58:13,640
Speaker 7: this defense.

1251
00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:15,920
Speaker 10: And I look, I go into every game terrified of

1252
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:18,560
Speaker 10: every opponent, like in a good the healthy and appropriate

1253
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:22,200
Speaker 10: amount of fear. And I was trained by Tom Coughlin

1254
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:26,560
Speaker 10: for the best of them. And so obviously the Texans

1255
00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:30,040
Speaker 10: are underdogs in this game. So like every like every

1256
00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:33,040
Speaker 10: defense or every offense anywhere on any football team, they've

1257
00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:35,400
Speaker 10: got their weaknesses. But the one thing that they do

1258
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:37,800
Speaker 10: do a great job of is they make up for

1259
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:40,720
Speaker 10: their bad plays with tackles for a loss with sacks

1260
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:43,960
Speaker 10: and then the run after the catch has been it's

1261
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:47,520
Speaker 10: really been one of the biggest improvements that Texans defense

1262
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:49,600
Speaker 10: has made to get to this point where they are

1263
00:58:49,640 --> 00:58:52,240
Speaker 10: now Compared to where they are last year. They were

1264
00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:55,000
Speaker 10: not a good tackling football team in twenty twenty three,

1265
00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:58,120
Speaker 10: in twenty twenty four. They are a very good tackling

1266
00:58:58,160 --> 00:59:01,840
Speaker 10: team now. And it's really taking them to that next

1267
00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:05,680
Speaker 10: level where all right, instead of instead of third and

1268
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:08,760
Speaker 10: two because a guy got five yards extra after the catch,

1269
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:12,560
Speaker 10: they're snuffing things out and that's you know, it's gonna

1270
00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:16,360
Speaker 10: be a challenge versus these guys and the Stephan Diggs. Honestly,

1271
00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:20,720
Speaker 10: Darrell Taylor, Darell Taylor was signed by the Patriots this week.

1272
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:22,880
Speaker 10: He was a defensive end for the Texans. He was

1273
00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:24,880
Speaker 10: on the roster on and off for the season this year,

1274
00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:26,200
Speaker 10: and people.

1275
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:26,880
Speaker 7: Said, oh, there he goes.

1276
00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:30,640
Speaker 10: There goes verybel trying to get that institutional knowledge from

1277
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:35,280
Speaker 10: the Darrell Taylor. All right, all right, great, listen Stefan Diggs.

1278
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:38,280
Speaker 10: Stepan Diggs was here last year and Stefan Diggs was

1279
00:59:38,360 --> 00:59:41,040
Speaker 10: everything you would want in a veteran receiver. He was

1280
00:59:41,080 --> 00:59:43,600
Speaker 10: out there working with the young guys, working with the

1281
00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:47,240
Speaker 10: defensive backs, talking to him before and after practice and everything.

1282
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:50,040
Speaker 10: And Stefan Diggs is a smart football player. So I'm

1283
00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:54,520
Speaker 10: not as worried about the Darrell Taylor cloak and dagger

1284
00:59:54,560 --> 00:59:57,640
Speaker 10: game or anything. I do think that Stefan Diggs can

1285
00:59:57,680 --> 01:00:00,120
Speaker 10: have some good notes for Josh McDaniels on exactly what

1286
01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:02,240
Speaker 10: he thinks the weaknesses of the players or the scheme

1287
01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:04,320
Speaker 10: or how they're communicating and all that goes.

1288
01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:07,040
Speaker 1: And look, Josh McDaniels and Rake made. They they love

1289
01:00:07,080 --> 01:00:08,760
Speaker 1: throwing in the middle of the field, they love throwing

1290
01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:13,560
Speaker 1: the intermediate routes. They love cooking up ways to get

1291
01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:18,240
Speaker 1: like Hunter Henry and Austin Hooper and really anyone over

1292
01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:20,120
Speaker 1: the middle of the field, but even the running backs

1293
01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:23,520
Speaker 1: and like there there should be some, you know, ways

1294
01:00:23,560 --> 01:00:25,840
Speaker 1: to pick on them. But I do have a hard

1295
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:30,760
Speaker 1: time imagining Will Campbell and Jared Wilson, especially handling the

1296
01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:34,520
Speaker 1: left side of that offensive line. I'm not saying I'm

1297
01:00:34,520 --> 01:00:36,640
Speaker 1: off Will Campbell island here, but it was a rough

1298
01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:39,520
Speaker 1: It was a rough Monday night. And you know.

1299
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Speaker 6: That's just I was gonna clo.

1300
01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:43,800
Speaker 1: The whole like he might be a great Hall of

1301
01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:46,360
Speaker 1: Fame guard. Started popping in my head a little bit

1302
01:00:46,600 --> 01:00:49,240
Speaker 1: in the middle of that game last week, especially knowing

1303
01:00:49,240 --> 01:00:51,880
Speaker 1: that he's gonna be having a face Will and Anderson this week.

1304
01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:54,480
Speaker 10: Well, you know, one of the things that you go

1305
01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:56,680
Speaker 10: back to the Bills game, the Texans playing the Bills,

1306
01:00:57,200 --> 01:00:59,360
Speaker 10: and the Texans had a great game.

1307
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:01,000
Speaker 7: They had eight sacks in that game.

1308
01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:03,800
Speaker 10: And they kept the spy on Josh Allen pretty much

1309
01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:04,440
Speaker 10: all the time.

1310
01:01:04,840 --> 01:01:06,880
Speaker 7: I think one of the differences in facing.

1311
01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:11,840
Speaker 10: The Patriots is that you know, Drake May has weapons

1312
01:01:12,040 --> 01:01:14,400
Speaker 10: on the outside and he knows how to use them,

1313
01:01:14,640 --> 01:01:17,240
Speaker 10: so it's harder to subtract guys out of your coverage

1314
01:01:17,240 --> 01:01:19,240
Speaker 10: the way they could versus Josh Allen because the Bills

1315
01:01:19,320 --> 01:01:23,040
Speaker 10: just don't have that many receiving threats. That's really, you know,

1316
01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:25,959
Speaker 10: we talked about the some of the weaknesses or things

1317
01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:28,800
Speaker 10: that aren't you know, awesome for the Texans. They do

1318
01:01:28,840 --> 01:01:31,800
Speaker 10: a really good job contained pass rushing. There have been

1319
01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:34,840
Speaker 10: times in the second half and in the fourth quarter,

1320
01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:37,959
Speaker 10: especially where they've been doing a great job contained pass

1321
01:01:38,080 --> 01:01:40,720
Speaker 10: rushing all game long, keeping the quarterback in the pocket.

1322
01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:43,640
Speaker 10: But then there have been instances where Baker Mayfield on

1323
01:01:43,720 --> 01:01:47,040
Speaker 10: fourth and ten converted. Trevor Lawrence had a long scramble

1324
01:01:47,160 --> 01:01:49,240
Speaker 10: at the end of the first game that almost put

1325
01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:52,240
Speaker 10: them into field goal position, which annoyingly against the Jaguars,

1326
01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:54,160
Speaker 10: that line to make is the fifty yard line because

1327
01:01:54,200 --> 01:01:57,480
Speaker 10: of cam Little, and then you know cam Ward had

1328
01:01:57,840 --> 01:02:01,360
Speaker 10: a run late justin Herbert, So being able to contain

1329
01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:04,760
Speaker 10: Drake may for four quarters, not just the first three quarters,

1330
01:02:04,800 --> 01:02:06,640
Speaker 10: and then all of a sudden he converts one a

1331
01:02:06,680 --> 01:02:08,960
Speaker 10: third and long in the fourth quarter. If it's a

1332
01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:11,760
Speaker 10: close game, that's really, you know, it's just it's hard

1333
01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:14,360
Speaker 10: to maintain your pass rush lanes all the time.

1334
01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:16,720
Speaker 7: They're really really good at it most of the time.

1335
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:18,840
Speaker 10: It's just they have great Like any defense is gonna

1336
01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:21,000
Speaker 10: there's gonna be opportunities at times for Drake may.

1337
01:02:21,080 --> 01:02:25,000
Speaker 1: I'm curious about which of the two phenomenons we saw

1338
01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:27,400
Speaker 1: in the playoff games from these two teams holds up

1339
01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:30,160
Speaker 1: in terms of the running offense for the Texans, I

1340
01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:34,360
Speaker 1: know you were impressed with Nick Kayleye game, the offensive

1341
01:02:34,440 --> 01:02:36,440
Speaker 1: line of the Texans and the game plan that they

1342
01:02:36,520 --> 01:02:38,400
Speaker 1: had and the way they were able to execute what

1343
01:02:38,520 --> 01:02:42,080
Speaker 1: he Mark's having a career high in the playoffs, and

1344
01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:45,000
Speaker 1: whether this Pat's run dye, which has been all over

1345
01:02:45,040 --> 01:02:47,800
Speaker 1: the place this year for the first ten or eleven weeks,

1346
01:02:47,840 --> 01:02:49,640
Speaker 1: they were getting way too much credit of like no

1347
01:02:49,680 --> 01:02:51,560
Speaker 1: one's had over seventy five yards against him, But a

1348
01:02:51,600 --> 01:02:53,920
Speaker 1: lot of it was was game script and the fact

1349
01:02:53,920 --> 01:02:56,440
Speaker 1: that you know, it wasn't all just talent. But they

1350
01:02:56,480 --> 01:02:58,000
Speaker 1: fell off a cliff. We're one of the worst run

1351
01:02:58,040 --> 01:03:00,160
Speaker 1: defenses in the league. Down the stretch. They get yet

1352
01:03:00,240 --> 01:03:03,560
Speaker 1: Robert Splaine back, who is absolutely crucial to their run defense.

1353
01:03:03,640 --> 01:03:06,400
Speaker 1: They get Milton Williams back, they get Harold Landry back,

1354
01:03:06,760 --> 01:03:11,320
Speaker 1: and they were awesome against the Chargers. So I'm kind

1355
01:03:11,320 --> 01:03:14,160
Speaker 1: of curious, you know, like which which of these two phenomenas,

1356
01:03:14,200 --> 01:03:18,280
Speaker 1: because that would really help out CJ. Stroud if they

1357
01:03:18,280 --> 01:03:20,400
Speaker 1: can get what he marks and Nick Chubb going this week.

1358
01:03:20,520 --> 01:03:23,680
Speaker 6: Yeah, exactly, And Seth was just talking about the quarterback

1359
01:03:23,720 --> 01:03:24,800
Speaker 6: being a threat in the run game.

1360
01:03:24,840 --> 01:03:25,760
Speaker 4: I'd like to see CJ.

1361
01:03:25,880 --> 01:03:28,640
Speaker 6: Stroud move with more confidence and actually pick up those

1362
01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:31,120
Speaker 6: gimme yards when he sees them versus panicking like you

1363
01:03:31,160 --> 01:03:34,360
Speaker 6: did this past week. The run game that I think,

1364
01:03:34,880 --> 01:03:38,560
Speaker 6: versus run game versus run defense, you know, it's hard

1365
01:03:38,600 --> 01:03:41,320
Speaker 6: because neither of them have been consistent. I think that

1366
01:03:41,560 --> 01:03:44,760
Speaker 6: when you have a change up option between Nick Chubb

1367
01:03:44,800 --> 01:03:48,320
Speaker 6: and Woody Marx functioning at its best, that to me

1368
01:03:48,440 --> 01:03:51,240
Speaker 6: is something that can sustain versus maybe being as up

1369
01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:54,560
Speaker 6: and down as the Patriots defense has been against the run.

1370
01:03:54,600 --> 01:03:56,280
Speaker 6: And like I said, even when they were great against

1371
01:03:56,280 --> 01:03:59,560
Speaker 6: the run, still susceptible to the explosive rush play. We

1372
01:03:59,600 --> 01:04:01,880
Speaker 6: saw that in a couple of matchups early on. What

1373
01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:03,960
Speaker 6: I do think though, is that the Texans, to me

1374
01:04:04,120 --> 01:04:06,560
Speaker 6: and just you know, I test, they don't do a

1375
01:04:06,600 --> 01:04:10,040
Speaker 6: ton of disguise for their run game. And I think

1376
01:04:10,040 --> 01:04:12,960
Speaker 6: that you're just too smart on the Patriots defense. You

1377
01:04:13,040 --> 01:04:15,800
Speaker 6: just you're going to be able to read your keys

1378
01:04:15,800 --> 01:04:17,520
Speaker 6: and not get moved out of your gaps.

1379
01:04:18,280 --> 01:04:22,360
Speaker 10: Yeah, that's this This matchup this week is interesting because there's,

1380
01:04:22,440 --> 01:04:24,960
Speaker 10: you know, some scheme similarities to what they saw at

1381
01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:27,640
Speaker 10: least on the front against the Steelers. And I was

1382
01:04:27,720 --> 01:04:30,680
Speaker 10: nervous about the Texans offense going into that Steelers game

1383
01:04:30,720 --> 01:04:34,240
Speaker 10: because they've got big, strong, physical defensive linemen and that's

1384
01:04:34,360 --> 01:04:37,800
Speaker 10: that's been that's been kryptonite to the Texans offensive line

1385
01:04:37,840 --> 01:04:40,280
Speaker 10: at times this year. So it was really encouraging to

1386
01:04:40,280 --> 01:04:42,000
Speaker 10: see what they were able to do and the fact

1387
01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:45,120
Speaker 10: that the run game started to bite more and more

1388
01:04:45,160 --> 01:04:48,000
Speaker 10: as the game went along, guys started really getting some movement.

1389
01:04:48,280 --> 01:04:50,919
Speaker 10: That was really really encouraging. And it's something that they've

1390
01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:53,520
Speaker 10: gotten better at over the course of the season. They've

1391
01:04:53,520 --> 01:04:56,000
Speaker 10: done a good job compared to last year of limiting

1392
01:04:56,080 --> 01:04:58,800
Speaker 10: negative plays. You know, last year, Joe Mixon was getting

1393
01:04:58,800 --> 01:05:00,960
Speaker 10: tackled in the backfield, like out of every three times

1394
01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:03,280
Speaker 10: he touched, the re least hit in the backfield. They've

1395
01:05:03,320 --> 01:05:05,280
Speaker 10: done a much better job of that. The guy that

1396
01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:08,280
Speaker 10: I like, honestly I did not expect to spend a

1397
01:05:08,280 --> 01:05:12,000
Speaker 10: half hour today watching Corey Durden the nose tackle for

1398
01:05:12,080 --> 01:05:12,760
Speaker 10: the Patriots.

1399
01:05:13,400 --> 01:05:16,240
Speaker 4: I had a great game former Los Angeles ram.

1400
01:05:16,920 --> 01:05:18,680
Speaker 10: Yeah, and I'm watching and I'm looking at I'm like,

1401
01:05:18,680 --> 01:05:22,040
Speaker 10: who the Hell's Corey Durton. And he started playing more

1402
01:05:22,040 --> 01:05:24,400
Speaker 10: in the second half of the season. So I watched

1403
01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:26,240
Speaker 10: that Chargers game and then I went back and watched

1404
01:05:26,240 --> 01:05:29,560
Speaker 10: some clips from other games, Like he's he's a big, tough,

1405
01:05:29,560 --> 01:05:32,320
Speaker 10: physical dude that plays with his hands really well. He's

1406
01:05:32,360 --> 01:05:34,680
Speaker 10: in the right spot and he's gonna be going up

1407
01:05:34,680 --> 01:05:35,720
Speaker 10: against Jake Andrews.

1408
01:05:35,880 --> 01:05:37,840
Speaker 7: There was an issue with the snaps since he jas

1409
01:05:37,920 --> 01:05:39,000
Speaker 7: child last week, you know.

1410
01:05:39,040 --> 01:05:41,560
Speaker 10: And they don't face a whole lot of teams that

1411
01:05:41,600 --> 01:05:44,760
Speaker 10: line up in a classic three four front as much.

1412
01:05:44,640 --> 01:05:47,920
Speaker 7: As the Steelers did. The Patriots.

1413
01:05:48,120 --> 01:05:50,280
Speaker 10: They they'll run some bare formation and stuff, but they

1414
01:05:50,280 --> 01:05:52,400
Speaker 10: still got that nose tackle on the center a lot.

1415
01:05:52,720 --> 01:05:55,800
Speaker 10: And I think, like, like Corey Durton, who knows, maybe

1416
01:05:55,800 --> 01:05:57,520
Speaker 10: this is just a little flash in the pan at

1417
01:05:57,520 --> 01:05:59,840
Speaker 10: the end of one season, but it's one more guy

1418
01:05:59,880 --> 01:06:01,600
Speaker 10: that I think the Texans have to account for. And

1419
01:06:01,640 --> 01:06:03,680
Speaker 10: I haven't seen his name out there a lot but

1420
01:06:04,520 --> 01:06:06,360
Speaker 10: like it's and I have a hard time. I keep

1421
01:06:06,400 --> 01:06:08,520
Speaker 10: reminding myself, this isn't a Belichick team. This isn't a

1422
01:06:08,520 --> 01:06:11,000
Speaker 10: Belichick team, but it is a Mike Rabel team, and

1423
01:06:11,000 --> 01:06:15,000
Speaker 10: there's some similarities there. One thing about those Patriots defenses

1424
01:06:15,040 --> 01:06:17,640
Speaker 10: back with Bill Belichick was that you could watch a

1425
01:06:17,680 --> 01:06:20,360
Speaker 10: defense improve over the course of a season simply because

1426
01:06:20,360 --> 01:06:23,840
Speaker 10: guys got better with their technique. And I think Brabel's

1427
01:06:23,880 --> 01:06:26,360
Speaker 10: cut from the same cloth with that. Those guys are

1428
01:06:26,400 --> 01:06:29,240
Speaker 10: going to get coached up. I think there's guys along

1429
01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:32,480
Speaker 10: that defensive line that are better defensive lineman now than

1430
01:06:32,480 --> 01:06:34,480
Speaker 10: they were in the first half of the season, and

1431
01:06:34,560 --> 01:06:36,760
Speaker 10: I think it's more of a I'm glad.

1432
01:06:36,880 --> 01:06:38,720
Speaker 7: I was glad to hear a lot of Patriots people

1433
01:06:38,720 --> 01:06:39,760
Speaker 7: talk about it up and down.

1434
01:06:39,800 --> 01:06:43,520
Speaker 10: The Patriots run defense has been because the first three

1435
01:06:43,560 --> 01:06:45,960
Speaker 10: things I looked at randomly, it looked like an incredible

1436
01:06:46,040 --> 01:06:52,040
Speaker 10: run defense. I don't know what's going on, but I

1437
01:06:52,080 --> 01:06:55,479
Speaker 10: think there are opportunities there. This Texans offense right now

1438
01:06:55,960 --> 01:06:58,240
Speaker 10: is way more capable of taking advantage of it than

1439
01:06:58,240 --> 01:06:59,680
Speaker 10: they would have been even.

1440
01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:00,240
Speaker 7: Eight weeks ago.

1441
01:07:00,320 --> 01:07:03,840
Speaker 10: They shuffled their offensive line around, they put when they

1442
01:07:03,840 --> 01:07:04,720
Speaker 10: put Trent Brown.

1443
01:07:04,600 --> 01:07:07,200
Speaker 7: At right tackle. I was skeptical as hell, but.

1444
01:07:07,200 --> 01:07:08,840
Speaker 10: It allowed them to move tight as Howard down to

1445
01:07:08,920 --> 01:07:12,160
Speaker 10: left guard, and that stabilized things. They've got veterans on

1446
01:07:12,200 --> 01:07:14,960
Speaker 10: both sides of the line now, the communication errors aren't

1447
01:07:14,960 --> 01:07:16,960
Speaker 10: nearly as bad as they used to be, and they

1448
01:07:17,320 --> 01:07:19,880
Speaker 10: they run a competent offense in a way that they

1449
01:07:19,880 --> 01:07:21,040
Speaker 10: really weren't in the first half.

1450
01:07:21,880 --> 01:07:25,400
Speaker 2: I think, honestly, especially if we're talking about the Dirden game,

1451
01:07:26,880 --> 01:07:30,360
Speaker 2: being the centerpieces, having ninety seven, having Milton Williams there

1452
01:07:31,040 --> 01:07:34,280
Speaker 2: next to them helps in terms of their ability to

1453
01:07:34,520 --> 01:07:36,680
Speaker 2: cause those problems. And I think it goes back because

1454
01:07:36,720 --> 01:07:41,360
Speaker 2: you mentioned that the early stage, Greg openly nationally seth

1455
01:07:41,400 --> 01:07:44,080
Speaker 2: pleading with the Houston Texans front to just be normal,

1456
01:07:44,440 --> 01:07:48,479
Speaker 2: just to be MODI yeah, normal to get to this point,

1457
01:07:48,560 --> 01:07:51,320
Speaker 2: and we got there, I think if and then again and.

1458
01:07:51,240 --> 01:07:53,560
Speaker 1: Then CJ was very not normal the other night.

1459
01:07:53,640 --> 01:07:54,400
Speaker 3: Well, and that's the thing.

1460
01:07:54,440 --> 01:07:57,080
Speaker 2: If you can extract, which is very difficult, it's just like, oh,

1461
01:07:57,120 --> 01:08:01,520
Speaker 2: you take away the six bad shots. Though the catastrophics

1462
01:08:02,000 --> 01:08:06,040
Speaker 2: from that game, things looked pretty good. Yeah, they look sustainable,

1463
01:08:06,120 --> 01:08:09,600
Speaker 2: and you don't expect CJ to have a game like that,

1464
01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:14,280
Speaker 2: especially against against this defense, and like acknowledging fully with

1465
01:08:14,320 --> 01:08:17,320
Speaker 2: the pathogen that's spreading nationwide and worldwide at this point,

1466
01:08:17,320 --> 01:08:17,880
Speaker 2: and TJ.

1467
01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:19,800
Speaker 3: Watt having won lung to play like.

1468
01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:22,559
Speaker 2: I think there were some impacts to where the Steelers

1469
01:08:22,640 --> 01:08:24,479
Speaker 2: defense might not have been at least in the front

1470
01:08:24,640 --> 01:08:27,000
Speaker 2: because of course it's always been an adventure in the

1471
01:08:27,000 --> 01:08:29,840
Speaker 2: back seven for the Steelers, and we saw that in

1472
01:08:29,920 --> 01:08:32,680
Speaker 2: terms of Christian Kirk getting loose for the amount of

1473
01:08:32,800 --> 01:08:36,520
Speaker 2: yards and catches that he had. But there's some positives

1474
01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:39,320
Speaker 2: to take away from that performance where the Texans should

1475
01:08:39,360 --> 01:08:41,680
Speaker 2: feel confident in Shroudsvillague.

1476
01:08:41,720 --> 01:08:43,559
Speaker 1: I want to read a text that Seth set me

1477
01:08:43,720 --> 01:08:47,160
Speaker 1: at seven fifteen pm Monday night, and this was a

1478
01:08:47,160 --> 01:08:49,719
Speaker 1: lot of pressure on the Texans because we knew Seth

1479
01:08:49,840 --> 01:08:52,000
Speaker 1: is only coming on the show today if they win.

1480
01:08:52,360 --> 01:08:53,960
Speaker 1: This is the point of the game where I believe

1481
01:08:53,960 --> 01:08:56,800
Speaker 1: it's seven to six, and it felt like it should

1482
01:08:56,800 --> 01:08:59,680
Speaker 1: have been about forty to six at that point. And

1483
01:08:59,760 --> 01:09:01,720
Speaker 1: you texted me because you know Walker, my son is

1484
01:09:01,720 --> 01:09:04,120
Speaker 1: a huge Texans fan. It was it was birthday, we

1485
01:09:04,160 --> 01:09:06,280
Speaker 1: had the Texans cupcakes. It was all going to be

1486
01:09:06,400 --> 01:09:09,320
Speaker 1: ruined if CJ. Kept fritzing out, and you just said, please,

1487
01:09:09,360 --> 01:09:11,080
Speaker 1: don't let your son listen to what I have to

1488
01:09:11,080 --> 01:09:15,400
Speaker 1: say about CJ and tomorrow. What did you say and

1489
01:09:15,479 --> 01:09:17,120
Speaker 1: how are you feeling now? You know you did get

1490
01:09:17,120 --> 01:09:18,680
Speaker 1: to watch the end of the game where it got

1491
01:09:18,720 --> 01:09:19,280
Speaker 1: a little better.

1492
01:09:19,800 --> 01:09:22,040
Speaker 10: Well, you know, I said a lot of what Patrick said,

1493
01:09:22,040 --> 01:09:25,080
Speaker 10: honestly taking his timeline everybody, I know, everybody's dying to

1494
01:09:25,080 --> 01:09:29,920
Speaker 10: know what I've done the last forty eight hours after

1495
01:09:29,960 --> 01:09:32,680
Speaker 10: that game on Monday night, it was I had a

1496
01:09:32,720 --> 01:09:35,400
Speaker 10: hard time going to bed because, honestly, the defensive performance

1497
01:09:35,479 --> 01:09:37,520
Speaker 10: was so incredible and the way the fourth quarter.

1498
01:09:37,240 --> 01:09:38,560
Speaker 7: Went, it was really exciting.

1499
01:09:39,360 --> 01:09:42,599
Speaker 10: And I woke up and I just we consciously, Sean

1500
01:09:42,640 --> 01:09:45,639
Speaker 10: Pendergass and I, my co host, you know, consciously said,

1501
01:09:45,680 --> 01:09:47,880
Speaker 10: you know what, we got to have this CJ conversation

1502
01:09:47,960 --> 01:09:50,640
Speaker 10: about the performance last night, but let's put it on

1503
01:09:50,720 --> 01:09:53,280
Speaker 10: the back burner to a certain degree because it was

1504
01:09:53,320 --> 01:09:54,280
Speaker 10: an awesome victory.

1505
01:09:54,280 --> 01:09:56,160
Speaker 7: It's a playoff victory, and.

1506
01:09:56,120 --> 01:09:57,960
Speaker 10: The defense was so much of the story, and the

1507
01:09:58,040 --> 01:09:59,800
Speaker 10: rushing attack was so much of the story. They had

1508
01:09:59,840 --> 01:10:02,280
Speaker 10: it one hundred and sixty four yards rushing, the highest

1509
01:10:02,320 --> 01:10:04,439
Speaker 10: they had all year was one hundred and sixty seven

1510
01:10:04,520 --> 01:10:07,839
Speaker 10: yards and that was back when they faced the Ravens,

1511
01:10:08,240 --> 01:10:12,599
Speaker 10: and the Ravens basically had a compilation of like kids

1512
01:10:12,640 --> 01:10:16,040
Speaker 10: from the local high school maybe uh like maybe an

1513
01:10:16,080 --> 01:10:18,920
Speaker 10: emergency hockey goalie or something in there. Like it was

1514
01:10:18,920 --> 01:10:21,519
Speaker 10: they were banged up, So that was the best rushing

1515
01:10:21,560 --> 01:10:22,400
Speaker 10: performance they had.

1516
01:10:22,640 --> 01:10:25,320
Speaker 7: But to echo what Patrick said, CJ.

1517
01:10:25,120 --> 01:10:27,920
Speaker 10: Did some really good things in that game, but that's

1518
01:10:27,960 --> 01:10:30,719
Speaker 10: not the way the quarterback position goes. You get you get,

1519
01:10:30,920 --> 01:10:33,840
Speaker 10: you know, judged by the sum total. CJ this year

1520
01:10:34,439 --> 01:10:38,679
Speaker 10: has done a really good job of becoming that more

1521
01:10:38,760 --> 01:10:44,840
Speaker 10: mature quarterback who understands the game situation, understands when to

1522
01:10:44,840 --> 01:10:46,559
Speaker 10: throw the ball in the dirt, when to throw the

1523
01:10:46,560 --> 01:10:49,880
Speaker 10: ball away, when to not make a sack worse by

1524
01:10:49,920 --> 01:10:53,040
Speaker 10: trying to scramble out the back of the pocket. He understands,

1525
01:10:53,040 --> 01:10:54,920
Speaker 10: and he's been more willing to just take, you know,

1526
01:10:54,960 --> 01:10:57,599
Speaker 10: all the old cliches. Don't go broke, take in a profit,

1527
01:10:57,640 --> 01:10:59,920
Speaker 10: take what the defense gives you. All that like, So

1528
01:11:00,080 --> 01:11:02,559
Speaker 10: on first down he's hitting that first read. He's not

1529
01:11:02,760 --> 01:11:05,920
Speaker 10: sitting there waiting to see if Nico Collins clears downfield.

1530
01:11:06,320 --> 01:11:08,479
Speaker 10: So that's what was so frustrating about it was it

1531
01:11:08,520 --> 01:11:12,960
Speaker 10: felt like you'd seen seventeen games while minus his injuries,

1532
01:11:13,240 --> 01:11:17,000
Speaker 10: of CJ really becoming a more mature and veteran quarterback

1533
01:11:17,479 --> 01:11:20,400
Speaker 10: and understanding that, hey, we don't have to have an

1534
01:11:20,439 --> 01:11:21,040
Speaker 10: awesome game.

1535
01:11:21,120 --> 01:11:23,120
Speaker 7: I don't have to push, I don't have to press.

1536
01:11:23,479 --> 01:11:25,599
Speaker 10: We've got that defense on the other side of us,

1537
01:11:25,640 --> 01:11:27,960
Speaker 10: and we just need to we need to, you know,

1538
01:11:28,000 --> 01:11:30,120
Speaker 10: do all the old Tom Brady stuff, do the boring

1539
01:11:30,160 --> 01:11:33,200
Speaker 10: stuff really well. So the frustrating thing was to watch

1540
01:11:33,280 --> 01:11:35,719
Speaker 10: him in that game. And it's not like the lights

1541
01:11:35,720 --> 01:11:38,639
Speaker 10: were too bright or anything. He's played in playoff games before,

1542
01:11:39,040 --> 01:11:41,360
Speaker 10: but it just felt like he was pressing. It felt

1543
01:11:41,439 --> 01:11:43,479
Speaker 10: like there were times where all of a sudden, he

1544
01:11:43,560 --> 01:11:46,160
Speaker 10: looked like a young quarterback who is, you know, trying

1545
01:11:46,200 --> 01:11:48,960
Speaker 10: to make something happen when perhaps the best thing would

1546
01:11:48,960 --> 01:11:49,479
Speaker 10: have been to just.

1547
01:11:49,479 --> 01:11:50,120
Speaker 7: Eat the ball.

1548
01:11:50,520 --> 01:11:53,160
Speaker 10: And I don't I don't think unless it was because

1549
01:11:53,160 --> 01:11:55,760
Speaker 10: of some injury we don't know about or anything, I

1550
01:11:55,800 --> 01:11:58,439
Speaker 10: don't think it's going to be an ongoing problem.

1551
01:11:58,560 --> 01:11:58,680
Speaker 7: You know.

1552
01:11:58,800 --> 01:12:01,880
Speaker 10: CJ's had a lot of trials and tribulations at various

1553
01:12:01,880 --> 01:12:04,400
Speaker 10: points in his young career already, and he's come back

1554
01:12:04,400 --> 01:12:04,840
Speaker 10: from them.

1555
01:12:05,240 --> 01:12:06,800
Speaker 7: It was just it was really.

1556
01:12:06,560 --> 01:12:08,519
Speaker 10: Odd and it was a surprise to see that he

1557
01:12:08,640 --> 01:12:11,720
Speaker 10: did make those mistakes because it wasn't typical of him

1558
01:12:11,760 --> 01:12:12,240
Speaker 10: this season.

1559
01:12:12,400 --> 01:12:16,840
Speaker 4: He's like, it's going too well all around me. Time

1560
01:12:16,920 --> 01:12:17,639
Speaker 4: to freak out.

1561
01:12:20,439 --> 01:12:23,360
Speaker 10: One thing he said was it is interesting that he

1562
01:12:23,439 --> 01:12:25,479
Speaker 10: made all that progress. But I was trying to put

1563
01:12:25,520 --> 01:12:28,400
Speaker 10: myself in his shoes, and he consciously was saying all

1564
01:12:28,400 --> 01:12:30,920
Speaker 10: week long, you know, he was saying, hey, you treat

1565
01:12:30,960 --> 01:12:32,600
Speaker 10: this like any other game. You don't try to go

1566
01:12:32,640 --> 01:12:34,920
Speaker 10: above and beyond. But there's got to be something in

1567
01:12:34,960 --> 01:12:38,559
Speaker 10: a young quarterback's mind that thinks. You know, when I

1568
01:12:38,600 --> 01:12:41,160
Speaker 10: was a kid, you know, dreaming of greatness and everything,

1569
01:12:41,680 --> 01:12:45,280
Speaker 10: my dream wasn't to lead like the Trent Dilfer style

1570
01:12:45,560 --> 01:12:49,040
Speaker 10: playoffs in Super Bowl run. Like nobody dreams of being

1571
01:12:49,080 --> 01:12:52,800
Speaker 10: Trent Dilfer and winning a Super Bowl. And so I'm

1572
01:12:52,840 --> 01:12:55,759
Speaker 10: hoping that's what it was like. As a former Texans

1573
01:12:55,800 --> 01:12:58,640
Speaker 10: player and fan, I want, obviously CJ to be the

1574
01:12:58,680 --> 01:13:01,400
Speaker 10: best version of himself, and sometimes this year, the best

1575
01:13:01,439 --> 01:13:04,479
Speaker 10: version of himself has just been understanding that Nope, we

1576
01:13:04,600 --> 01:13:06,760
Speaker 10: just we need to possess the football. We need to

1577
01:13:06,800 --> 01:13:09,320
Speaker 10: maintain this lead. We need a first down here, we

1578
01:13:09,320 --> 01:13:11,720
Speaker 10: don't need a touchdown. And it was and it was

1579
01:13:11,760 --> 01:13:13,439
Speaker 10: odd to see it. It was odd to see it

1580
01:13:13,520 --> 01:13:14,840
Speaker 10: kind of disappear from one night.

1581
01:13:14,880 --> 01:13:17,280
Speaker 1: I think he's been a little streakier this year than

1582
01:13:17,560 --> 01:13:20,760
Speaker 1: the true CJ believers like myself would have wanted to see.

1583
01:13:20,800 --> 01:13:23,400
Speaker 1: I don't on balance, I don't even know if he's

1584
01:13:23,439 --> 01:13:26,639
Speaker 1: been better this year than he was a year ago,

1585
01:13:26,720 --> 01:13:28,720
Speaker 1: because he had so many things going wrong around him

1586
01:13:28,720 --> 01:13:30,799
Speaker 1: that I thought he overcome for most of last season

1587
01:13:30,920 --> 01:13:34,200
Speaker 1: and this season, I think he's been great for like

1588
01:13:34,320 --> 01:13:36,960
Speaker 1: eighty percent of the season. And then there's just these

1589
01:13:36,960 --> 01:13:40,880
Speaker 1: little funks he gets into in games that are sometimes inexplicable.

1590
01:13:40,880 --> 01:13:44,000
Speaker 1: It's not about the opponent or what the offensive line,

1591
01:13:44,280 --> 01:13:46,479
Speaker 1: and that he seems to get himself into a funk.

1592
01:13:46,560 --> 01:13:49,240
Speaker 1: And the good thing is, like on on Monday Night,

1593
01:13:49,640 --> 01:13:51,280
Speaker 1: he usually gets himself out of it.

1594
01:13:51,800 --> 01:13:52,040
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1595
01:13:52,240 --> 01:13:54,040
Speaker 10: Well, if there's one thing I've learned is I you know,

1596
01:13:54,160 --> 01:13:55,200
Speaker 10: I don't want to be an old man.

1597
01:13:55,360 --> 01:13:57,040
Speaker 7: I try to keep up with the EPA and the

1598
01:13:57,120 --> 01:13:58,720
Speaker 7: kids all talking about these days.

1599
01:13:58,880 --> 01:13:59,360
Speaker 1: Kids.

1600
01:14:00,040 --> 01:14:02,000
Speaker 10: There's one thing I've learned from EPA, It's that in

1601
01:14:01,960 --> 01:14:05,520
Speaker 10: any given time, there are forty seven Tier one quarterbacks,

1602
01:14:05,840 --> 01:14:09,879
Speaker 10: and because I've I've seen the EPA per play breakdowns

1603
01:14:09,920 --> 01:14:13,360
Speaker 10: where CJ is actually no no idiot, I'm a ball noer.

1604
01:14:13,400 --> 01:14:18,040
Speaker 10: He's actually operating like a top five quarterback, and it's

1605
01:14:18,120 --> 01:14:21,280
Speaker 10: just it's all over the place, and they're all calculated differently.

1606
01:14:21,000 --> 01:14:24,599
Speaker 7: Right this lot of FPA. Yeah, yeah, So.

1607
01:14:26,160 --> 01:14:29,240
Speaker 10: I think the sum total of it is they've they've

1608
01:14:29,240 --> 01:14:31,240
Speaker 10: had a hard time at various times and games. And

1609
01:14:31,240 --> 01:14:33,600
Speaker 10: you're right, Greg, it's when this pops up all of

1610
01:14:33,640 --> 01:14:36,040
Speaker 10: a sudden in the third quarter of the Chiefs game,

1611
01:14:36,600 --> 01:14:40,520
Speaker 10: for a stretch in the Chargers game where teams start throwing.

1612
01:14:40,439 --> 01:14:42,520
Speaker 7: Zero blitzes, all out blitzes.

1613
01:14:42,120 --> 01:14:45,120
Speaker 10: At him, and through a combination of either not dialing

1614
01:14:45,200 --> 01:14:47,840
Speaker 10: up the right protection or CJ not having an option

1615
01:14:47,960 --> 01:14:50,799
Speaker 10: early in the down, or just plat out a breakdown

1616
01:14:50,840 --> 01:14:54,000
Speaker 10: in the in the past protection, that's where they've really struggled.

1617
01:14:54,560 --> 01:14:58,439
Speaker 10: And that's where going up against the Patriots and that defense,

1618
01:14:58,520 --> 01:15:02,160
Speaker 10: how well they disguise their bridges, things get murky at times.

1619
01:15:02,200 --> 01:15:04,800
Speaker 10: But then but then they've been able to dig themselves

1620
01:15:04,840 --> 01:15:07,680
Speaker 10: out of that. And it's been as both of you,

1621
01:15:07,800 --> 01:15:09,639
Speaker 10: as all you guys, I think it's at some point

1622
01:15:09,680 --> 01:15:12,640
Speaker 10: here it's been kind of start and go, and it's in.

1623
01:15:12,760 --> 01:15:14,760
Speaker 10: It's in fits and starts. They've made a.

1624
01:15:14,680 --> 01:15:18,439
Speaker 7: Lot of progress, but it's also as CJ is, he

1625
01:15:18,479 --> 01:15:19,080
Speaker 7: has a lot.

1626
01:15:18,960 --> 01:15:21,760
Speaker 10: More command by it at the line of scrimmage than

1627
01:15:21,760 --> 01:15:22,439
Speaker 10: he did before.

1628
01:15:22,600 --> 01:15:23,720
Speaker 7: And you know that is that's it.

1629
01:15:23,880 --> 01:15:27,720
Speaker 10: It's spinning four different plates in twenty seconds as you're

1630
01:15:27,760 --> 01:15:29,280
Speaker 10: up at the line of scrimmage, and some of it's

1631
01:15:29,320 --> 01:15:31,880
Speaker 10: just going to be gunky at first. They've made progress,

1632
01:15:31,920 --> 01:15:34,360
Speaker 10: it's just a question of okay, can you actually continue

1633
01:15:34,400 --> 01:15:35,840
Speaker 10: progress on through the playoffs?

1634
01:15:36,280 --> 01:15:39,599
Speaker 1: Well, good luck, seth Uh. You know I'm I'm torn.

1635
01:15:39,720 --> 01:15:43,200
Speaker 1: I want my son to be happy after this game.

1636
01:15:43,240 --> 01:15:45,240
Speaker 1: But more importantly, I want I want you to be happy.

1637
01:15:45,280 --> 01:15:47,760
Speaker 1: I want you to be happy.

1638
01:15:48,280 --> 01:15:52,000
Speaker 7: Oh I'm happy no matter what. What's the what's the

1639
01:15:52,040 --> 01:15:53,679
Speaker 7: name for my followers, the seth Heads?

1640
01:15:54,800 --> 01:15:55,800
Speaker 1: We are the Steads.

1641
01:15:55,880 --> 01:15:58,280
Speaker 10: Yes, that's a good I look at a little little

1642
01:15:58,320 --> 01:16:00,599
Speaker 10: tip of the cap to meth heads when we do that.

1643
01:16:00,640 --> 01:16:05,240
Speaker 1: I love that. You know, they don't get enough, they

1644
01:16:05,240 --> 01:16:10,280
Speaker 1: don't get enough credit. Underrated get help Seth fine again.

1645
01:16:10,400 --> 01:16:15,360
Speaker 1: Check out his YouTube channel for all the best Texans breakdowns.

1646
01:16:15,400 --> 01:16:17,519
Speaker 1: Don't hit that music. We have a couple of other

1647
01:16:17,600 --> 01:16:19,800
Speaker 1: small things before we take our break, but we're gonna

1648
01:16:19,800 --> 01:16:27,160
Speaker 1: say goodbye to Seth. We'll see a buddy that I love.

1649
01:16:27,240 --> 01:16:27,639
Speaker 4: That man.

1650
01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:30,360
Speaker 1: Seth is absolutely the best. I did want to just

1651
01:16:30,400 --> 01:16:32,879
Speaker 1: mention before we go, Nico Collins is not at practice

1652
01:16:33,120 --> 01:16:38,000
Speaker 1: on Wednesday. I don't think you can overstate how big

1653
01:16:38,040 --> 01:16:40,920
Speaker 1: of a deal that is because of how much this

1654
01:16:41,000 --> 01:16:45,080
Speaker 1: offense relies on Nico Collins. And yes, Christian Kirk stepped

1655
01:16:45,160 --> 01:16:49,000
Speaker 1: up and he almost matched his season total for yards

1656
01:16:49,040 --> 01:16:51,400
Speaker 1: in one playoff game. And they actually have pretty good

1657
01:16:51,439 --> 01:16:56,639
Speaker 1: depth in terms of their receiver group, but that is massive. Right.

1658
01:16:56,680 --> 01:17:01,080
Speaker 1: Whereas Christian Gonzales is at practice Wednesday, he is in

1659
01:17:01,160 --> 01:17:04,400
Speaker 1: the concussion protocol, so there's no guarantee that either one

1660
01:17:04,439 --> 01:17:06,960
Speaker 1: of them will play or necessarily miss the game. But

1661
01:17:07,040 --> 01:17:11,280
Speaker 1: obviously it's not looking good for Nico Collins. And yeah,

1662
01:17:11,560 --> 01:17:13,519
Speaker 1: it checked a little weather update we're going to have

1663
01:17:13,560 --> 01:17:17,400
Speaker 1: for all these games. No precipitation probably gonna be in

1664
01:17:17,439 --> 01:17:20,280
Speaker 1: like the high twenties, like mid thirties as Foxborough goes

1665
01:17:20,280 --> 01:17:22,760
Speaker 1: in January, seems like it'll be okay. But both these

1666
01:17:22,840 --> 01:17:25,000
Speaker 1: quarterbacks weren't very accurate. You know, in the in the

1667
01:17:25,000 --> 01:17:27,000
Speaker 1: wildcard game compared to where they normally are. So I

1668
01:17:27,040 --> 01:17:28,640
Speaker 1: don't know if that's the cold or if it was

1669
01:17:28,680 --> 01:17:30,840
Speaker 1: the situation, but you just want to see them, see

1670
01:17:30,840 --> 01:17:32,040
Speaker 1: them on point, you know.

1671
01:17:32,600 --> 01:17:34,679
Speaker 6: I would love to see that, Greg, I really would.

1672
01:17:34,680 --> 01:17:37,040
Speaker 6: But I'm not gonna sit there and expect with these

1673
01:17:37,040 --> 01:17:39,759
Speaker 6: two defenses playing. Yeah they have been, I'm not actually

1674
01:17:39,760 --> 01:17:41,880
Speaker 6: going to expect a ton of accuracy from either of

1675
01:17:41,920 --> 01:17:42,479
Speaker 6: these guys.

1676
01:17:42,520 --> 01:17:45,840
Speaker 2: Frankly, Yeah, it's accuracy. It's all relative right to the

1677
01:17:45,840 --> 01:17:47,639
Speaker 2: circumstance that your speed, your.

1678
01:17:47,520 --> 01:17:49,200
Speaker 1: Direction, I motivated you are.

1679
01:17:49,320 --> 01:17:50,439
Speaker 3: Yes, how hard you would.

1680
01:17:50,200 --> 01:17:51,880
Speaker 1: Like to say, Well, you just don't see Drake May

1681
01:17:52,040 --> 01:17:54,439
Speaker 1: or Stroud for that matter, miss too many layups. Accuracy

1682
01:17:54,520 --> 01:17:56,280
Speaker 1: is kind of like their calling card. And what you know,

1683
01:17:56,360 --> 01:17:58,519
Speaker 1: Drake May is this season and they missed just a

1684
01:17:58,560 --> 01:18:00,479
Speaker 1: few more than you expecting. Drake May is gonna throw

1685
01:18:00,479 --> 01:18:02,400
Speaker 1: it in there into tight windows, which you'll probably have

1686
01:18:02,479 --> 01:18:04,880
Speaker 1: a lot of. All right, let's hit the music now.

1687
01:18:04,920 --> 01:18:07,040
Speaker 1: As we take go to the break, he mentioned Corey Durden,

1688
01:18:07,280 --> 01:18:10,120
Speaker 1: I did want to do an exercise of just naming

1689
01:18:10,360 --> 01:18:14,920
Speaker 1: team players playing significant minute and snapped for the Patriots

1690
01:18:14,920 --> 01:18:18,479
Speaker 1: this year. In this last week, Jack Gibbett, Corey Durden,

1691
01:18:19,160 --> 01:18:24,880
Speaker 1: Craig Woodson, Charles Woods, Dell Pettis, Jelani Tavai. I think

1692
01:18:24,880 --> 01:18:28,639
Speaker 1: people know him, Marty Mapu only one snapper, Eric Gregory

1693
01:18:28,680 --> 01:18:33,639
Speaker 1: got ten step Leonard Taylor the third and Elijah Ponder.

1694
01:18:34,080 --> 01:18:36,800
Speaker 1: Meet your new England Patriots. I feel like a lot

1695
01:18:36,840 --> 01:18:39,160
Speaker 1: of people aren't familiar with these men.

1696
01:18:40,280 --> 01:18:42,240
Speaker 3: Del Pettis, George Roper.

1697
01:18:43,240 --> 01:18:50,960
Speaker 1: Dirty Dell. He comes from the hip the Locks, of course.

1698
01:18:55,880 --> 01:18:59,719
Speaker 1: Oh this season, hell, this show. It's been a journey.

1699
01:19:00,160 --> 01:19:03,559
Speaker 1: We've arrived at our final game to talk about. But

1700
01:19:03,600 --> 01:19:08,240
Speaker 1: it will be the first game on the divisional round slate.

1701
01:19:08,840 --> 01:19:12,200
Speaker 1: If you're on the West Coast, don't make too many

1702
01:19:12,240 --> 01:19:16,519
Speaker 1: Saturday play You gotta get back home by early afternoon.

1703
01:19:16,240 --> 01:19:20,040
Speaker 3: Yes, not morning stuff, so you are able to get.

1704
01:19:19,960 --> 01:19:22,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, non forget all activities.

1705
01:19:22,360 --> 01:19:23,160
Speaker 3: With the young folks.

1706
01:19:23,200 --> 01:19:26,400
Speaker 2: Perhaps if your job is football at consuming football and

1707
01:19:26,520 --> 01:19:28,120
Speaker 2: you have multiple children.

1708
01:19:27,840 --> 01:19:29,639
Speaker 7: Who are a little.

1709
01:19:29,439 --> 01:19:32,120
Speaker 3: Bit extra Barns energy.

1710
01:19:32,120 --> 01:19:35,559
Speaker 2: As for the Saturday at four point thirty on CBS,

1711
01:19:35,680 --> 01:19:38,560
Speaker 2: Jim Nantz Tony Romo on the call for the Buffalo

1712
01:19:38,600 --> 01:19:42,200
Speaker 2: Bills at the Denver Broncos, a rematch of the playoff

1713
01:19:42,200 --> 01:19:44,599
Speaker 2: game that ended the Broncos season. In twenty twenty four,

1714
01:19:44,640 --> 01:19:47,800
Speaker 2: the Broncos one and a half point favorites as of

1715
01:19:47,920 --> 01:19:50,519
Speaker 2: our discussion right now, Jordan Rodrick forty five and a

1716
01:19:50,520 --> 01:19:54,720
Speaker 2: half is the over under. Did the Denver Broncos make

1717
01:19:54,760 --> 01:19:59,680
Speaker 2: the necessary changes and adjust in this season to do

1718
01:19:59,720 --> 01:20:01,000
Speaker 2: what they we're not able to do at the end

1719
01:20:01,040 --> 01:20:01,559
Speaker 2: of last season?

1720
01:20:01,560 --> 01:20:04,680
Speaker 6: We eat the Buffalo bill Well, so here's where I

1721
01:20:04,720 --> 01:20:08,920
Speaker 6: have to eat some crow, because the Bills are playing

1722
01:20:08,960 --> 01:20:11,280
Speaker 6: like a more complete team than I ever thought was

1723
01:20:11,360 --> 01:20:15,639
Speaker 6: possible on defense, especially heading into the most crucial time

1724
01:20:16,040 --> 01:20:17,400
Speaker 6: for them to be doing it. I said at the

1725
01:20:17,479 --> 01:20:19,600
Speaker 6: very beginning of the year, my biggest worry about the

1726
01:20:19,640 --> 01:20:22,080
Speaker 6: Bills was going to be this defense. They proved me

1727
01:20:22,200 --> 01:20:25,640
Speaker 6: right a lot. But we also talked about when it

1728
01:20:25,680 --> 01:20:28,719
Speaker 6: comes time to get into matchup specific football and building

1729
01:20:28,760 --> 01:20:32,040
Speaker 6: bespoke game plans for your opponent week by week by week.

1730
01:20:32,040 --> 01:20:35,720
Speaker 6: It's not something you can do very often in the

1731
01:20:35,760 --> 01:20:39,160
Speaker 6: regular season unless you are like Bill Belichick with Brian

1732
01:20:39,200 --> 01:20:44,280
Speaker 6: Flores as your defensive coordinator. This is exactly what the

1733
01:20:44,280 --> 01:20:47,360
Speaker 6: Bills are doing and Sean McDermott is so gifted at it,

1734
01:20:47,400 --> 01:20:49,400
Speaker 6: and it's the battle of the Shawns. It's the battle

1735
01:20:49,400 --> 01:20:52,200
Speaker 6: of the old guy Shaans, right, and this is going

1736
01:20:52,280 --> 01:20:57,000
Speaker 6: to be I think the Bills making a statement about

1737
01:20:57,040 --> 01:20:58,840
Speaker 6: who they are going to continue to be through the

1738
01:20:58,840 --> 01:20:59,800
Speaker 6: rest of the postseason.

1739
01:21:00,200 --> 01:21:04,520
Speaker 1: I started thinking about this question of age and experience,

1740
01:21:04,560 --> 01:21:07,800
Speaker 1: and it's it's I think people like kind of put

1741
01:21:07,920 --> 01:21:11,559
Speaker 1: meaning on things after they happened, like, well, experience mattered

1742
01:21:11,560 --> 01:21:13,240
Speaker 1: when it's an older team, but then when they lose,

1743
01:21:13,320 --> 01:21:14,600
Speaker 1: it's like, well, is.

1744
01:21:14,600 --> 01:21:17,080
Speaker 6: That a recency? What's the word for it, recency, bio, No,

1745
01:21:17,200 --> 01:21:19,840
Speaker 6: there's or anyway, Yeah, I don't know what the word

1746
01:21:19,880 --> 01:21:24,439
Speaker 6: for it is, like correlation, confirm confirmation, bias. And I

1747
01:21:24,479 --> 01:21:25,720
Speaker 6: was like, I know it's one of them.

1748
01:21:25,880 --> 01:21:28,920
Speaker 1: And it's like like if the if the Bills had

1749
01:21:28,920 --> 01:21:31,920
Speaker 1: struggled last week, like they were old. But when I

1750
01:21:31,960 --> 01:21:35,439
Speaker 1: looked at who were the best defensive players for the

1751
01:21:35,439 --> 01:21:39,080
Speaker 1: Bills in that game, it was Tred Devious White, it

1752
01:21:39,240 --> 01:21:44,240
Speaker 1: was Matt Milano. I would say, who else am I

1753
01:21:44,280 --> 01:21:46,640
Speaker 1: forgetting of the old Guard? It was Shack Tops and

1754
01:21:47,200 --> 01:21:51,760
Speaker 1: been there forever, but is absolutely criminal. Greg Russou would

1755
01:21:51,800 --> 01:21:54,479
Speaker 1: have to be in that mix, and he's definitely younger,

1756
01:21:54,479 --> 01:21:57,200
Speaker 1: but you've had guys. Ron Johnson is another one that

1757
01:21:57,400 --> 01:22:00,080
Speaker 1: just have been in this system and are maybe be

1758
01:22:00,320 --> 01:22:05,280
Speaker 1: able to go out and execute that bespoke game plan.

1759
01:22:05,960 --> 01:22:08,519
Speaker 1: Why has bespoke become kind of a thing. I feel

1760
01:22:08,520 --> 01:22:09,679
Speaker 1: like the last five years has been.

1761
01:22:09,600 --> 01:22:13,280
Speaker 6: Big because here's what I love about it, because, especially

1762
01:22:13,280 --> 01:22:13,719
Speaker 6: when you're.

1763
01:22:13,560 --> 01:22:15,519
Speaker 1: Talking about it, I never said bespoke until like five

1764
01:22:15,600 --> 01:22:16,799
Speaker 1: years ago. Now it's everywhere.

1765
01:22:16,840 --> 01:22:18,639
Speaker 6: But I love the word when it comes to talking

1766
01:22:18,640 --> 01:22:21,160
Speaker 6: about football because it is a it's sort of like

1767
01:22:21,200 --> 01:22:22,520
Speaker 6: a fancy.

1768
01:22:22,080 --> 01:22:22,920
Speaker 4: Word a little bit.

1769
01:22:22,960 --> 01:22:27,200
Speaker 6: It's like bespoke, right, But then it also means badass

1770
01:22:27,240 --> 01:22:30,080
Speaker 6: freaking defense in this case, which is what I love

1771
01:22:30,120 --> 01:22:33,680
Speaker 6: about it because it's it's they were so technical with

1772
01:22:33,720 --> 01:22:35,040
Speaker 6: some of the things that they were doing, and some

1773
01:22:35,080 --> 01:22:36,680
Speaker 6: of the things aren't going to continue to try to

1774
01:22:36,680 --> 01:22:39,360
Speaker 6: do Patrick because they want to confuse Bonicks.

1775
01:22:39,400 --> 01:22:41,719
Speaker 4: They want streaky Bonicks to emerge.

1776
01:22:41,760 --> 01:22:44,639
Speaker 6: They want to disrupt that really awesome connection that Bonicks

1777
01:22:44,640 --> 01:22:47,280
Speaker 6: has with Courtland Sutton. They want to get the spots

1778
01:22:47,280 --> 01:22:50,400
Speaker 6: off and and and the like, the landmarks where receivers

1779
01:22:50,439 --> 01:22:51,360
Speaker 6: are supposed to be in this.

1780
01:22:51,400 --> 01:22:52,320
Speaker 4: Sean Payton offense.

1781
01:22:52,360 --> 01:22:54,439
Speaker 6: They want to disrupt timing and those spots on the

1782
01:22:54,439 --> 01:22:56,000
Speaker 6: field where they know he wants.

1783
01:22:55,760 --> 01:22:56,360
Speaker 4: To throw the ball.

1784
01:22:56,560 --> 01:23:00,240
Speaker 6: They did all of those things against Trevor Lawrence, who

1785
01:23:00,360 --> 01:23:05,320
Speaker 6: also has elements of that offense. Predicated on all of

1786
01:23:05,360 --> 01:23:07,599
Speaker 6: that being intact, they messed it up with a lot

1787
01:23:07,600 --> 01:23:10,479
Speaker 6: of their rotations post snap and with the way that

1788
01:23:10,520 --> 01:23:14,840
Speaker 6: they could maximize these older players in a bespoke way.

1789
01:23:15,000 --> 01:23:17,680
Speaker 2: Yes, and I think the way the you know, it's

1790
01:23:17,680 --> 01:23:20,880
Speaker 2: not superful, superfluous, if I could say it, oddly enough,

1791
01:23:21,120 --> 01:23:24,880
Speaker 2: the usage of the word, because it highlights the you

1792
01:23:24,960 --> 01:23:30,680
Speaker 2: need a particular set of circumstances to be successful with it.

1793
01:23:30,840 --> 01:23:33,320
Speaker 2: Within this defense, you need to be prepared for certain

1794
01:23:33,320 --> 01:23:36,040
Speaker 2: things in certain matchups where we talked about the Houston

1795
01:23:36,080 --> 01:23:38,120
Speaker 2: Texans where it's all right, here's what we're gonna do.

1796
01:23:38,560 --> 01:23:41,040
Speaker 2: We got to do These dudes are relatively young. Not

1797
01:23:41,120 --> 01:23:43,880
Speaker 2: to shout out, you know, as a person who's two

1798
01:23:43,880 --> 01:23:47,280
Speaker 2: months older almost than Aaron Rodgers, like I realized I

1799
01:23:47,280 --> 01:23:52,120
Speaker 2: can't call anybody old anymore. But this is the exact

1800
01:23:52,120 --> 01:23:54,200
Speaker 2: opposite in terms of the way that the defense is

1801
01:23:54,200 --> 01:23:58,160
Speaker 2: approaching an offense of the playoff game, where yeah, those

1802
01:23:58,200 --> 01:24:00,920
Speaker 2: guys were ready for what the Jags had in store.

1803
01:24:01,320 --> 01:24:03,840
Speaker 2: I think it's not necessarily a similar matchup because the

1804
01:24:03,880 --> 01:24:06,280
Speaker 2: college football fans would go back to that analogy you

1805
01:24:06,320 --> 01:24:09,040
Speaker 2: go transitive property where the Jags blew out the Broncos

1806
01:24:09,040 --> 01:24:10,599
Speaker 2: in Denver and then they just lost to the Buffalo

1807
01:24:10,720 --> 01:24:14,280
Speaker 2: pay But that's not how it works. A style football works.

1808
01:24:14,040 --> 01:24:18,439
Speaker 2: It's styles making these particular matchups. And it's another set

1809
01:24:19,080 --> 01:24:22,880
Speaker 2: on a shorter week where they have to install and

1810
01:24:22,960 --> 01:24:26,400
Speaker 2: digest an entirely new game plan against a different team

1811
01:24:26,439 --> 01:24:33,320
Speaker 2: that attacks defenses in a different way where.

1812
01:24:31,280 --> 01:24:33,479
Speaker 3: There can be some doubt they can creep in.

1813
01:24:34,120 --> 01:24:38,160
Speaker 2: And we've seen bow Knicks play at an exceedingly high

1814
01:24:38,280 --> 01:24:41,040
Speaker 2: level getting away from Michael Parsons to the extent that

1815
01:24:41,080 --> 01:24:45,000
Speaker 2: Michael Parsons gets hurt trying to chase in corral bow Knicks.

1816
01:24:45,680 --> 01:24:49,400
Speaker 2: And do the Bills have that athleticism to provide that

1817
01:24:49,479 --> 01:24:51,879
Speaker 2: sort of issue. The problems that they gave the Jacksonville

1818
01:24:51,920 --> 01:24:54,320
Speaker 2: Jaguars were on the back end. I do think they

1819
01:24:54,360 --> 01:24:56,760
Speaker 2: need to be better upfront to cause similar issues to

1820
01:24:56,800 --> 01:24:57,280
Speaker 2: this Broncos.

1821
01:24:57,360 --> 01:24:58,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, they got to keep him in the pocket. He's

1822
01:24:58,720 --> 01:25:01,320
Speaker 1: one of the best. His number of throws on the

1823
01:25:01,320 --> 01:25:05,400
Speaker 1: move is where he is at his very best. I

1824
01:25:05,439 --> 01:25:08,439
Speaker 1: guess you do this show long enough and you just

1825
01:25:08,479 --> 01:25:13,080
Speaker 1: get old enough that eventually you become what you hate.

1826
01:25:13,200 --> 01:25:17,880
Speaker 1: That's me talking about myself, and that's why I think

1827
01:25:18,920 --> 01:25:25,559
Speaker 1: that time of possession really matters. I got so old

1828
01:25:26,240 --> 01:25:29,000
Speaker 1: that eventually I became complimentary football guy.

1829
01:25:30,560 --> 01:25:31,120
Speaker 4: How does it feel?

1830
01:25:31,200 --> 01:25:33,280
Speaker 3: Almost the biggest step in that process, Greg.

1831
01:25:33,240 --> 01:25:36,720
Speaker 1: Just thinking about this, that the best offense for this

1832
01:25:36,800 --> 01:25:39,479
Speaker 1: Bill's defense, for them to execute the type of game

1833
01:25:39,520 --> 01:25:42,360
Speaker 1: plan and for these for this defense to get away

1834
01:25:42,400 --> 01:25:46,240
Speaker 1: with it essentially is for Josh Allen in this offense

1835
01:25:46,280 --> 01:25:49,200
Speaker 1: to just stay on the field. I thought last week

1836
01:25:49,960 --> 01:25:53,559
Speaker 1: the they had three or four long drives they had

1837
01:25:53,680 --> 01:25:55,519
Speaker 1: and some of them didn't even end up that well.

1838
01:25:55,600 --> 01:25:58,960
Speaker 1: They had a five minute punt drive, they had a

1839
01:25:59,040 --> 01:26:03,280
Speaker 1: six minute field They had the ninety two yard drive

1840
01:26:03,439 --> 01:26:07,679
Speaker 1: of course as well. And I thought that just first

1841
01:26:07,720 --> 01:26:09,160
Speaker 1: of all, if you're not as talented, and I don't

1842
01:26:09,200 --> 01:26:11,639
Speaker 1: think this Bills team is as talented as their opponents

1843
01:26:11,880 --> 01:26:14,840
Speaker 1: these two weeks, that's one way to do it. And

1844
01:26:15,000 --> 01:26:18,440
Speaker 1: I think it puts younger quarterbacks in this in this circumstance,

1845
01:26:18,479 --> 01:26:22,559
Speaker 1: like Trevor Lawrence and Bo Nicks, like each possession matters

1846
01:26:22,560 --> 01:26:24,880
Speaker 1: more and you're having to do more. And then I

1847
01:26:24,880 --> 01:26:30,280
Speaker 1: also think it helps the Bills defense specifically avoid you know,

1848
01:26:30,320 --> 01:26:33,080
Speaker 1: having to face a great running game. Now. Last week

1849
01:26:33,640 --> 01:26:36,280
Speaker 1: they held up against the Jaguars, but it was really

1850
01:26:36,280 --> 01:26:39,160
Speaker 1: more the Jaguars just weren't on the field. Again this week,

1851
01:26:39,200 --> 01:26:41,680
Speaker 1: it's a team that doesn't run the ball well. But

1852
01:26:41,760 --> 01:26:45,360
Speaker 1: the Broncos can go on, you know, exceedingly long drives

1853
01:26:45,200 --> 01:26:47,080
Speaker 1: just passing the ball. But if you think about that

1854
01:26:47,120 --> 01:26:49,679
Speaker 1: game last week last year, I know it's very different,

1855
01:26:49,920 --> 01:26:52,280
Speaker 1: but the time of possession was so crazy in that game.

1856
01:26:52,280 --> 01:26:54,960
Speaker 1: It was over forty minutes for the Bills, and I

1857
01:26:55,000 --> 01:26:59,320
Speaker 1: just think that's really important. And it's not necessarily all

1858
01:26:59,320 --> 01:27:01,240
Speaker 1: going to be the run game, but the Bills running

1859
01:27:01,280 --> 01:27:03,920
Speaker 1: game has to be better this week. And you would

1860
01:27:03,960 --> 01:27:06,960
Speaker 1: think that it's both Josh Allen hopefully if he's one

1861
01:27:07,040 --> 01:27:10,400
Speaker 1: hundred percent, but more importantly James Cook on the ground

1862
01:27:10,800 --> 01:27:13,960
Speaker 1: and these short passes to Khlil Shakir of just like

1863
01:27:14,040 --> 01:27:17,160
Speaker 1: Alan and Shakira seeming like they're just like playing football

1864
01:27:17,160 --> 01:27:19,280
Speaker 1: with their friends. At points last week was just like

1865
01:27:19,520 --> 01:27:21,479
Speaker 1: let's just keep throwing it at seq three yards, four yards,

1866
01:27:21,520 --> 01:27:23,720
Speaker 1: five yards, like whatever. It is just hold on to

1867
01:27:23,840 --> 01:27:26,160
Speaker 1: the ball. And I think that sort of complimentary football

1868
01:27:26,560 --> 01:27:28,360
Speaker 1: is like the route for this Bills team to go

1869
01:27:28,400 --> 01:27:29,240
Speaker 1: pull off an upset.

1870
01:27:29,320 --> 01:27:31,840
Speaker 4: How does it feel your new life?

1871
01:27:31,880 --> 01:27:36,280
Speaker 1: I mean, I finally understand what Mark Schlareth has been saying. No,

1872
01:27:36,360 --> 01:27:38,160
Speaker 1: I don't know why it has to be Schlare. It's

1873
01:27:38,200 --> 01:27:41,600
Speaker 1: really the announcers we grew up listening to who just

1874
01:27:41,600 --> 01:27:44,479
Speaker 1: would talk about time of possession and complimentary. Well.

1875
01:27:44,560 --> 01:27:48,479
Speaker 4: I like the point because this is also vance.

1876
01:27:48,560 --> 01:27:50,800
Speaker 6: Joseph is going to throw a lot of stuff and

1877
01:27:51,160 --> 01:27:53,280
Speaker 6: this offense and he's going to throw a lot of looks.

1878
01:27:54,000 --> 01:27:56,640
Speaker 6: They're going to try to do everything they can to

1879
01:27:56,880 --> 01:28:01,040
Speaker 6: disrupt exactly that the patient style of foot Well, you

1880
01:28:01,040 --> 01:28:03,120
Speaker 6: know we always talk about when do you press the

1881
01:28:03,120 --> 01:28:05,320
Speaker 6: button with Josh Allen, Well, it's on the whole game

1882
01:28:05,840 --> 01:28:07,519
Speaker 6: in a game like this, because you want to make

1883
01:28:07,520 --> 01:28:10,000
Speaker 6: sure that the thread of him on the run is activated,

1884
01:28:10,040 --> 01:28:13,479
Speaker 6: not necessarily to bite off these explosives, but the thread

1885
01:28:13,479 --> 01:28:15,599
Speaker 6: of the run that adds dimension to your own run

1886
01:28:15,640 --> 01:28:18,240
Speaker 6: game that then helps you pick and pick and pick

1887
01:28:18,280 --> 01:28:21,800
Speaker 6: and pick away under this defense. And from what they

1888
01:28:21,800 --> 01:28:24,679
Speaker 6: want to do now, they will be playing tight, tighter

1889
01:28:24,720 --> 01:28:27,960
Speaker 6: than a lot of the Bills offensive guys have faced,

1890
01:28:27,960 --> 01:28:29,880
Speaker 6: although there's been a lot of disrespect for that Bill's

1891
01:28:29,920 --> 01:28:32,400
Speaker 6: receiving core through the course of this season, and so

1892
01:28:32,560 --> 01:28:34,360
Speaker 6: it's not going to be as easy to pick away

1893
01:28:34,360 --> 01:28:38,160
Speaker 6: in the passing game underneath whatever that coverages they're playing. Instead,

1894
01:28:38,840 --> 01:28:40,600
Speaker 6: it's going to have to be the run game, and

1895
01:28:40,600 --> 01:28:43,799
Speaker 6: it's going to have to be everybody is activated across

1896
01:28:43,840 --> 01:28:47,559
Speaker 6: the surface, including the tight ends, including the receivers, including

1897
01:28:47,600 --> 01:28:50,080
Speaker 6: getting the best performance that you could possibly get out

1898
01:28:50,080 --> 01:28:52,719
Speaker 6: of this offensive line that is typically very, very good

1899
01:28:53,000 --> 01:28:54,599
Speaker 6: but has had some up and down moments.

1900
01:28:54,680 --> 01:28:56,960
Speaker 1: Ray that's the things like if they get in these

1901
01:28:57,000 --> 01:28:59,080
Speaker 1: third and long that's part of what I'm talking about

1902
01:28:59,080 --> 01:29:01,559
Speaker 1: with time of possession, everye thing. Yeah, Spencer Brown is

1903
01:29:01,600 --> 01:29:05,519
Speaker 1: not playing well. Their right tackle. He has gotten beat

1904
01:29:05,600 --> 01:29:09,400
Speaker 1: down in a few different matchups in a row, including

1905
01:29:09,720 --> 01:29:12,400
Speaker 1: last week. I think it was mostly against Travon Walker

1906
01:29:12,680 --> 01:29:17,240
Speaker 1: and him matching up against this Broncos pass rush in

1907
01:29:17,280 --> 01:29:21,840
Speaker 1: like obvious passing situations sounds like a total nightmare. But

1908
01:29:21,960 --> 01:29:25,519
Speaker 1: if you can go heavy personnel, and last year it

1909
01:29:25,520 --> 01:29:26,760
Speaker 1: was a lot of the running backs and the tight

1910
01:29:26,840 --> 01:29:28,519
Speaker 1: ends against the Broncos. If you look at the numbers

1911
01:29:28,520 --> 01:29:30,599
Speaker 1: this year, it's the same thing, like they're not great

1912
01:29:30,680 --> 01:29:32,920
Speaker 1: against tight ends and the Bills have a bunch, which

1913
01:29:33,040 --> 01:29:35,000
Speaker 1: which is important because they don't have any receivers.

1914
01:29:35,080 --> 01:29:39,200
Speaker 2: Last like Tyrrel Shaver's played in this game with the

1915
01:29:39,240 --> 01:29:42,479
Speaker 2: torn acl, like that was the state, the state of

1916
01:29:42,520 --> 01:29:45,040
Speaker 2: the Bills at receiver where they needed Shavers to come

1917
01:29:45,080 --> 01:29:46,800
Speaker 2: back in and and actually play.

1918
01:29:46,960 --> 01:29:49,120
Speaker 3: That's with the torn acl.

1919
01:29:49,240 --> 01:29:52,400
Speaker 2: Hopefully he has a great recovery, because there were flashes

1920
01:29:53,520 --> 01:29:55,559
Speaker 2: to what could be the future for the Buffalo Bills,

1921
01:29:55,560 --> 01:29:58,559
Speaker 2: but now the present, like it's Brandon Cooks, like the

1922
01:29:58,720 --> 01:30:01,560
Speaker 2: entire plane ultimately getting constructed out of Brandon Cooks and

1923
01:30:01,600 --> 01:30:05,280
Speaker 2: Khalil Shakir. Where that's that's the strength of this Broncos

1924
01:30:05,280 --> 01:30:08,559
Speaker 2: secondor as much as the officials openly hate Riley Moss,

1925
01:30:09,479 --> 01:30:10,360
Speaker 2: it's truly the strength.

1926
01:30:10,760 --> 01:30:13,320
Speaker 1: Haven't called as many penalties late. I think Riley Boss

1927
01:30:13,360 --> 01:30:15,679
Speaker 1: is getting some love late, maybe not just from the officials,

1928
01:30:15,680 --> 01:30:17,920
Speaker 1: from from the ball knowers. We know he's played well.

1929
01:30:17,960 --> 01:30:22,200
Speaker 1: Let's let's just bring up the status officially Tyrrel Shavers,

1930
01:30:22,360 --> 01:30:24,320
Speaker 1: who by the way, played more than half of the

1931
01:30:24,360 --> 01:30:26,760
Speaker 1: snaps when they had two receivers on the field. He

1932
01:30:26,960 --> 01:30:30,040
Speaker 1: was basically their younger version of what Mac Collins was

1933
01:30:30,120 --> 01:30:34,519
Speaker 1: last year, their great blocking wide receiver who can make

1934
01:30:34,560 --> 01:30:36,599
Speaker 1: some plays here and there go, you know, running down

1935
01:30:36,640 --> 01:30:39,840
Speaker 1: the field. He's out for the season. Josh Palmer, the

1936
01:30:39,880 --> 01:30:42,880
Speaker 1: big free agency pickup who going into last week we

1937
01:30:42,880 --> 01:30:45,960
Speaker 1: thought might be available. He is now out for the season.

1938
01:30:46,040 --> 01:30:49,880
Speaker 1: And then Gabe Davis also tour his ACL in that game.

1939
01:30:50,200 --> 01:30:52,840
Speaker 1: He's on injured reserve. He's out for the season. So

1940
01:30:52,880 --> 01:30:55,840
Speaker 1: you mentioned it. It's Cooks and Keon Coleman's gonna have

1941
01:30:55,920 --> 01:30:59,719
Speaker 1: to play, But more and more importantly, it's it's Kincaid,

1942
01:31:00,320 --> 01:31:03,599
Speaker 1: and it's Dawson Knock and it's it's Jackson Hawes. They're

1943
01:31:03,640 --> 01:31:05,800
Speaker 1: they're blocking tight end and maybe they're going to roll

1944
01:31:05,840 --> 01:31:07,800
Speaker 1: out Alec Anderson again. I was thinking about like their

1945
01:31:07,880 --> 01:31:11,280
Speaker 1: sixth offensive line. They stopped doing that this year when

1946
01:31:11,320 --> 01:31:12,800
Speaker 1: they were kind of the first team that was really

1947
01:31:12,880 --> 01:31:15,320
Speaker 1: making that look cool last year, Like, maybe bring that back,

1948
01:31:15,320 --> 01:31:18,680
Speaker 1: because to me, this is a let's load up and

1949
01:31:18,720 --> 01:31:21,240
Speaker 1: be tougher because they're not winning any of those matchups

1950
01:31:21,280 --> 01:31:24,000
Speaker 1: on the outside. And if I would think Sirtana is

1951
01:31:24,040 --> 01:31:27,000
Speaker 1: going to see a lot of secure in this game.

1952
01:31:27,320 --> 01:31:29,640
Speaker 6: Shaki is going to see a lot of hymn. I

1953
01:31:29,640 --> 01:31:31,400
Speaker 6: don't know if it's the other way around. I do

1954
01:31:31,600 --> 01:31:33,720
Speaker 6: like that's what I mean, because the perimeters are going

1955
01:31:33,800 --> 01:31:37,280
Speaker 6: to be so tight against these receivers. Everything has to

1956
01:31:37,320 --> 01:31:40,559
Speaker 6: happen like between the hashes and in the scene essentially,

1957
01:31:40,640 --> 01:31:43,400
Speaker 6: and maybe a little of the screen game can keep going.

1958
01:31:44,439 --> 01:31:47,040
Speaker 6: You know, we've seen that be effective sometimes, but it's

1959
01:31:47,040 --> 01:31:50,320
Speaker 6: really going to be can we push you around along

1960
01:31:50,360 --> 01:31:52,640
Speaker 6: the line of scrimmage and get some medium stuff in

1961
01:31:52,720 --> 01:31:54,280
Speaker 6: the air happening to our tight ends?

1962
01:31:54,560 --> 01:31:59,320
Speaker 2: I think between Alan and Roach as much as the

1963
01:31:59,439 --> 01:32:02,360
Speaker 2: edges can be an issue and to have athletic edges

1964
01:32:02,360 --> 01:32:05,280
Speaker 2: as unnecessary thing against Josh Allen. But you go back

1965
01:32:05,280 --> 01:32:10,000
Speaker 2: to that eight sec Houston Texans game where Rankins as

1966
01:32:10,040 --> 01:32:13,040
Speaker 2: well as Denico Autry had a great game in that

1967
01:32:13,120 --> 01:32:18,720
Speaker 2: matchup in limiting Josh's options to step up. But as

1968
01:32:18,720 --> 01:32:21,040
Speaker 2: you said, is this gonna be are we gonna get

1969
01:32:21,040 --> 01:32:24,520
Speaker 2: twenty uh Josh Allen dropbacks?

1970
01:32:24,040 --> 01:32:26,759
Speaker 3: Like in this game, it's.

1971
01:32:26,640 --> 01:32:28,639
Speaker 1: Got to mean you're gonna have if you fall down early,

1972
01:32:28,680 --> 01:32:30,600
Speaker 1: you will yet And so that that's sort of what

1973
01:32:30,640 --> 01:32:32,320
Speaker 1: I mean, like slow it down. And you've seen this

1974
01:32:32,400 --> 01:32:34,080
Speaker 1: a lot. I think this could play into the Bill's

1975
01:32:34,120 --> 01:32:38,759
Speaker 1: hands that the Broncos their offense take takes a minute

1976
01:32:38,840 --> 01:32:41,800
Speaker 1: to ramp up, Like there aren't many games that the

1977
01:32:41,840 --> 01:32:45,799
Speaker 1: Broncos have had that like start to finish. The passing

1978
01:32:45,840 --> 01:32:49,519
Speaker 1: game has been rolling, and you would think in this matchup,

1979
01:32:49,520 --> 01:32:52,679
Speaker 1: and I am curious JK. Dobbins is practicing. We haven't

1980
01:32:52,720 --> 01:32:54,840
Speaker 1: seen him in a couple of months. There's a real

1981
01:32:54,960 --> 01:32:59,559
Speaker 1: chance that JK. Dobbins returns for this game because it's

1982
01:33:00,160 --> 01:33:03,280
Speaker 1: Peyton with a very rested offense and a good offensive line,

1983
01:33:03,280 --> 01:33:06,760
Speaker 1: and he's such a good m schematic coach, Like, it

1984
01:33:06,800 --> 01:33:09,000
Speaker 1: wouldn't surprise me if we saw the best out of

1985
01:33:09,040 --> 01:33:13,360
Speaker 1: the Broncos running game specifically in this game, which would

1986
01:33:13,400 --> 01:33:16,320
Speaker 1: really for a lot of what I'm talking about, because

1987
01:33:16,800 --> 01:33:18,760
Speaker 1: it doesn't make sense to me that they would be

1988
01:33:19,680 --> 01:33:21,160
Speaker 1: such a bad running team, and they're not like a

1989
01:33:21,160 --> 01:33:24,000
Speaker 1: bad running team, but they definitely have missed JK. Dobbins

1990
01:33:24,040 --> 01:33:26,200
Speaker 1: since he's been gone, and they haven't been a consistent one.

1991
01:33:26,240 --> 01:33:28,160
Speaker 1: But is this a week where they can pop up?

1992
01:33:28,200 --> 01:33:31,760
Speaker 1: Because if that happens, then it could really get snowballing

1993
01:33:31,800 --> 01:33:32,280
Speaker 1: the other way.

1994
01:33:32,320 --> 01:33:34,840
Speaker 6: I think you see that how good their offensive line is.

1995
01:33:34,960 --> 01:33:36,880
Speaker 6: We've been talking about all season. It's one of the best,

1996
01:33:36,920 --> 01:33:39,240
Speaker 6: if not the best offensive line in the NFL this year,

1997
01:33:39,280 --> 01:33:41,599
Speaker 6: even before you know, some of the guys got banged

1998
01:33:41,640 --> 01:33:44,920
Speaker 6: up all along it. But it's also because they have

1999
01:33:45,120 --> 01:33:48,320
Speaker 6: the threat of Bonnix who can take off as well.

2000
01:33:49,080 --> 01:33:53,080
Speaker 6: You really expect this run game to be way better

2001
01:33:53,160 --> 01:33:53,599
Speaker 6: than it is.

2002
01:33:53,640 --> 01:33:54,400
Speaker 4: And it's not bad.

2003
01:33:54,439 --> 01:33:58,240
Speaker 6: That's the thing, Like you said, it's there, it's it

2004
01:33:58,240 --> 01:33:59,479
Speaker 6: can be effective some games.

2005
01:33:59,520 --> 01:34:01,080
Speaker 4: In some games, it's just really.

2006
01:34:00,840 --> 01:34:03,840
Speaker 1: Not and it'll disappear for entire games, which is the price.

2007
01:34:04,040 --> 01:34:06,519
Speaker 6: Yeah, And so that's the thing is that to me

2008
01:34:06,720 --> 01:34:10,040
Speaker 6: has been one of the most confusing things about the Broncos.

2009
01:34:10,080 --> 01:34:11,599
Speaker 4: And yeah, the injury to JK.

2010
01:34:11,640 --> 01:34:15,720
Speaker 6: Dobbss's that's significant, But it took Sean Payton like to

2011
01:34:16,080 --> 01:34:17,920
Speaker 6: over the midway point of the season right to get

2012
01:34:17,960 --> 01:34:20,800
Speaker 6: like one hundred yard rusher in a game, and that's

2013
01:34:20,880 --> 01:34:22,880
Speaker 6: just not the way he wants to play football, as

2014
01:34:23,240 --> 01:34:26,200
Speaker 6: we know. And so for all the talent that's there

2015
01:34:26,439 --> 01:34:29,600
Speaker 6: up front, you know, moving bodies, it's been confusing to

2016
01:34:29,640 --> 01:34:30,280
Speaker 6: me all season.

2017
01:34:30,560 --> 01:34:33,519
Speaker 1: So I want to see, like, can they sack Josh

2018
01:34:33,520 --> 01:34:36,280
Speaker 1: Allen because What really stuck out to me from Josh

2019
01:34:36,320 --> 01:34:38,519
Speaker 1: Allen last week, especially when I went back to rewatched,

2020
01:34:38,640 --> 01:34:42,200
Speaker 1: just everything was so fast, like fast decision making, like

2021
01:34:42,320 --> 01:34:46,280
Speaker 1: fast twitch movement. I mean, the throws were obviously fast,

2022
01:34:46,280 --> 01:34:50,280
Speaker 1: like the decision everything was very on it, like, and

2023
01:34:51,240 --> 01:34:54,200
Speaker 1: he has been easier to sack this year than he's

2024
01:34:54,200 --> 01:34:57,760
Speaker 1: ever been in his entire career by far. And this

2025
01:34:57,880 --> 01:35:03,479
Speaker 1: is the team the most sacks I believe since two

2026
01:35:03,520 --> 01:35:05,400
Speaker 1: thousand and I think they have like one of the

2027
01:35:05,479 --> 01:35:08,680
Speaker 1: highest like sack to pressure ratios, So like, yeah, they

2028
01:35:08,680 --> 01:35:12,920
Speaker 1: get pressure, but they also really finish when they get

2029
01:35:12,960 --> 01:35:16,400
Speaker 1: near you. And if you can get those negative plays,

2030
01:35:16,400 --> 01:35:18,160
Speaker 1: I'm even thinking, like Josh Allen did take a twelve

2031
01:35:18,240 --> 01:35:20,559
Speaker 1: yard sack last week against the Jags, and like they

2032
01:35:20,560 --> 01:35:22,479
Speaker 1: didn't even try to It was very rare to see

2033
01:35:22,479 --> 01:35:23,960
Speaker 1: that from the Bills, Like they almost didn't try to

2034
01:35:23,960 --> 01:35:25,799
Speaker 1: get a first down on that drive and they punted

2035
01:35:26,240 --> 01:35:28,839
Speaker 1: and and I like that that they were really avoiding

2036
01:35:28,920 --> 01:35:30,240
Speaker 1: mistakes and it was a part of the game where

2037
01:35:30,240 --> 01:35:32,200
Speaker 1: they could afford to do that. But you can't do

2038
01:35:32,320 --> 01:35:35,839
Speaker 1: that too much, and that, to me is a danger

2039
01:35:35,880 --> 01:35:38,439
Speaker 1: when you're thinking about how Spencer Brown is playing and

2040
01:35:38,479 --> 01:35:41,920
Speaker 1: how good this Broncos defense is. We just got to

2041
01:35:41,920 --> 01:35:44,960
Speaker 1: see if they are like truly like capital e elie.

2042
01:35:44,960 --> 01:35:48,559
Speaker 1: Are they there with the Texans and the Seahawks. I

2043
01:35:48,600 --> 01:35:50,960
Speaker 1: have my doubts, but you can go prove it. And

2044
01:35:51,000 --> 01:35:54,280
Speaker 1: they haven't played a real difficult challenge in a while.

2045
01:35:54,320 --> 01:35:56,040
Speaker 1: Remember I was on this one like a month ago.

2046
01:35:56,479 --> 01:35:59,000
Speaker 1: All right, here's who they've played, you know, the last month,

2047
01:35:59,520 --> 01:36:03,120
Speaker 1: Chris Ola Duken, you know, since they got waxed by

2048
01:36:03,400 --> 01:36:05,920
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence and the first you know, first half of

2049
01:36:06,040 --> 01:36:10,320
Speaker 1: Jordan Lovanes Wich, Chris Ola Ducin, Trey Lance and then

2050
01:36:10,360 --> 01:36:12,719
Speaker 1: a bye and then you got big Josh Allen playoff,

2051
01:36:12,760 --> 01:36:15,400
Speaker 1: Josh Allen coming in. That's a that's a big change.

2052
01:36:15,520 --> 01:36:17,720
Speaker 2: You're talking about the quick change, crediting Josh Allen. You're

2053
01:36:17,760 --> 01:36:21,240
Speaker 2: not doing college football schedule scouting, which was a critique

2054
01:36:21,240 --> 01:36:22,719
Speaker 2: people have had of the New England Patriots.

2055
01:36:22,720 --> 01:36:25,160
Speaker 1: You're not doing I'm not schedule scouting. What I am

2056
01:36:25,200 --> 01:36:29,320
Speaker 1: saying is it weird they haven't faced tough offensive competition

2057
01:36:29,360 --> 01:36:31,720
Speaker 1: in a month. That it's just an oddity. I don't

2058
01:36:31,720 --> 01:36:32,639
Speaker 1: know if it means anything.

2059
01:36:32,680 --> 01:36:33,840
Speaker 3: It goes back longer than a month.

2060
01:36:34,000 --> 01:36:37,160
Speaker 2: There's been a few backup quarterbacks on the schedule against

2061
01:36:37,200 --> 01:36:37,840
Speaker 2: the Denver.

2062
01:36:37,680 --> 01:36:39,479
Speaker 1: Right, but at least they had that Jordan Love Trevor

2063
01:36:39,560 --> 01:36:41,240
Speaker 1: Lawrence like, that's how you want to be preparing for

2064
01:36:41,280 --> 01:36:43,960
Speaker 1: the playoffs, and that was that was a month ago.

2065
01:36:44,360 --> 01:36:46,280
Speaker 1: Who knows, Maybe it doesn't matter, but if ever there

2066
01:36:46,320 --> 01:36:48,639
Speaker 1: was going to be like a team that's been playing

2067
01:36:48,760 --> 01:36:52,439
Speaker 1: and playing top competition who gets off to a fast start,

2068
01:36:52,479 --> 01:36:54,680
Speaker 1: Like I do think there might be something to that.

2069
01:36:55,040 --> 01:36:57,400
Speaker 6: We talked earlier in the show about how some of

2070
01:36:57,439 --> 01:37:00,280
Speaker 6: the top defenses in the NFL this season are still

2071
01:37:00,840 --> 01:37:03,040
Speaker 6: very susceptible to explosive plays.

2072
01:37:03,320 --> 01:37:04,240
Speaker 4: The Broncos are not.

2073
01:37:04,680 --> 01:37:06,880
Speaker 6: And yes, sure some of that does come into play.

2074
01:37:07,040 --> 01:37:10,320
Speaker 6: How explosive were some of the offenses that they've been playing,

2075
01:37:10,360 --> 01:37:13,640
Speaker 6: But everyone gets to say, right, everybody's paid, as the

2076
01:37:13,680 --> 01:37:16,559
Speaker 6: coaches like to say, and this is a team that

2077
01:37:16,640 --> 01:37:19,120
Speaker 6: does not give up explosive plays, the fewest in the

2078
01:37:19,320 --> 01:37:23,599
Speaker 6: entire NFL this season, And so you I think they're

2079
01:37:23,600 --> 01:37:26,040
Speaker 6: for real. I mean I think they are for real,

2080
01:37:26,120 --> 01:37:28,400
Speaker 6: for real and don't have some of the weaknesses that

2081
01:37:28,439 --> 01:37:29,760
Speaker 6: some of their counterparts might have.

2082
01:37:29,920 --> 01:37:33,120
Speaker 2: Right around seventeen hundred players last two seasons, so I

2083
01:37:33,120 --> 01:37:34,519
Speaker 2: guess you could multiply that times too.

2084
01:37:34,640 --> 01:37:36,439
Speaker 3: Nobody's had more quarterback hits than.

2085
01:37:36,400 --> 01:37:38,360
Speaker 1: Zach Allen Wild.

2086
01:37:38,800 --> 01:37:40,639
Speaker 2: I guess because he's on the interior, gets a chance

2087
01:37:40,720 --> 01:37:44,040
Speaker 2: to physically impact the quarterback a lot, but nobody.

2088
01:37:44,640 --> 01:37:47,080
Speaker 1: It's that. I like how early in the week all

2089
01:37:47,120 --> 01:37:49,280
Speaker 1: the Broncos fans and Sean Payton were talking about how

2090
01:37:49,320 --> 01:37:52,920
Speaker 1: they're the underdogs and they're disrespected, and then, as you

2091
01:37:53,200 --> 01:37:55,479
Speaker 1: like to point out, Patrick, it's all about making that

2092
01:37:55,560 --> 01:37:58,280
Speaker 1: money and unfortunately too much of that money agreed and

2093
01:37:58,360 --> 01:38:00,559
Speaker 1: went to the Broncos. So now their favorite, and now

2094
01:38:00,600 --> 01:38:03,599
Speaker 1: they're no longer disrespected. They can't say that they're the underdogs.

2095
01:38:03,600 --> 01:38:05,559
Speaker 6: So he has to find something else to be mad about,

2096
01:38:05,600 --> 01:38:07,920
Speaker 6: and I think he did, Greg, Yeah, because they.

2097
01:38:07,800 --> 01:38:08,960
Speaker 3: Get Drake Greenlaw back.

2098
01:38:09,000 --> 01:38:11,920
Speaker 2: And Sean Payton asked a question this week about Drake

2099
01:38:11,920 --> 01:38:13,639
Speaker 2: Greenlaw's impact in the run.

2100
01:38:13,439 --> 01:38:18,280
Speaker 5: Game, having green Lawn back for this game, his ability

2101
01:38:18,320 --> 01:38:21,080
Speaker 5: to attack down hill in the run games? How is

2102
01:38:21,120 --> 01:38:22,880
Speaker 5: that the timing of it this week?

2103
01:38:22,920 --> 01:38:25,599
Speaker 11: Do you want him to attack downhill? Is that you're like,

2104
01:38:25,600 --> 01:38:27,880
Speaker 11: what do you know about attacking downhill in the run game?

2105
01:38:28,520 --> 01:38:33,040
Speaker 11: You don't know? All right, that's right? Have him attacking downhill.

2106
01:38:33,160 --> 01:38:36,600
Speaker 11: It's good to have a healthy Drake Greenlaw back in

2107
01:38:36,640 --> 01:38:37,000
Speaker 11: the game.

2108
01:38:37,680 --> 01:38:39,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a smile on his face, folks.

2109
01:38:40,280 --> 01:38:44,600
Speaker 6: And hey, shout out to Luca Evans who had Lincoln.

2110
01:38:44,240 --> 01:38:45,559
Speaker 4: Riley at USC.

2111
01:38:45,840 --> 01:38:49,960
Speaker 6: So gd shook that he started canceling media availabilities running

2112
01:38:49,960 --> 01:38:50,679
Speaker 6: away from folks.

2113
01:38:50,680 --> 01:38:54,000
Speaker 1: Oh that's who that is, right? Yes, I do think

2114
01:38:54,439 --> 01:38:57,360
Speaker 1: that that multiple things can be true. As Jordan Love,

2115
01:38:57,680 --> 01:38:59,519
Speaker 1: I mean, as a Jordan Rodrigu would love to stay.

2116
01:38:59,520 --> 01:39:03,479
Speaker 1: Maybe Jordan love with too. Number one Seohn Payton's kind

2117
01:39:03,479 --> 01:39:07,160
Speaker 1: of a he was smiling. But number two, that's how

2118
01:39:07,160 --> 01:39:12,160
Speaker 1: he shows love. I'm saying, game, recognize this game. I

2119
01:39:12,160 --> 01:39:13,800
Speaker 1: think he would only do that with a reporter that

2120
01:39:13,840 --> 01:39:17,920
Speaker 1: he actually likes and respects. But that was funny. Yeah,

2121
01:39:17,960 --> 01:39:20,120
Speaker 1: you just like I see you using the jargon.

2122
01:39:20,280 --> 01:39:21,799
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna tack it downhill.

2123
01:39:22,320 --> 01:39:25,759
Speaker 1: Uh, it's the toughest game to pick. I think. Actually,

2124
01:39:25,760 --> 01:39:29,719
Speaker 1: both AFC games to me are just total coin flips,

2125
01:39:29,880 --> 01:39:33,400
Speaker 1: and almost nothing would surprise me except for a blowout.

2126
01:39:33,439 --> 01:39:36,040
Speaker 1: I really would be surprised if either of these AFC games,

2127
01:39:36,760 --> 01:39:40,040
Speaker 1: like are not one score fourth quarter, we're sweating it out.

2128
01:39:40,040 --> 01:39:41,639
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to I don't know if you guys

2129
01:39:41,640 --> 01:39:42,160
Speaker 1: have any.

2130
01:39:42,240 --> 01:39:45,960
Speaker 6: I I loved your take at the beginning of the show,

2131
01:39:46,040 --> 01:39:49,280
Speaker 6: Greg about how you could really feasibly see any of

2132
01:39:49,320 --> 01:39:50,920
Speaker 6: these teams in the Super Bowl.

2133
01:39:51,040 --> 01:39:51,439
Speaker 4: I could do.

2134
01:39:52,000 --> 01:39:56,320
Speaker 1: I think they all have such obvious clear strength. I

2135
01:39:56,360 --> 01:40:00,240
Speaker 1: think they're all excellent. Even in a normal nflc and

2136
01:40:00,240 --> 01:40:03,480
Speaker 1: where there's like Superpowers, where there's like a great Mahomes

2137
01:40:03,520 --> 01:40:06,320
Speaker 1: and Lamar type of team, I think they would be

2138
01:40:06,439 --> 01:40:08,720
Speaker 1: like a tour of three. It's a bunch of two

2139
01:40:08,800 --> 01:40:10,880
Speaker 1: slash three seats, but they all have like there there

2140
01:40:10,920 --> 01:40:15,439
Speaker 1: each each have their own like problem that they're clearly facing,

2141
01:40:16,040 --> 01:40:18,560
Speaker 1: and it's all just about matchup. Like I just I

2142
01:40:18,600 --> 01:40:21,840
Speaker 1: don't know. I'm leaning. I've gone back and forth. I'm

2143
01:40:22,040 --> 01:40:24,920
Speaker 1: I'm hesitant after picking against the Bills last week when

2144
01:40:24,960 --> 01:40:28,120
Speaker 1: everything was logical and Josh Allen was just like too

2145
01:40:28,160 --> 01:40:30,360
Speaker 1: good to overcome, and it overcame all that and might

2146
01:40:30,560 --> 01:40:32,680
Speaker 1: might have to flip to the Bills. It's just the

2147
01:40:32,760 --> 01:40:33,840
Speaker 1: I haven't decided.

2148
01:40:33,640 --> 01:40:37,559
Speaker 2: The accumulation of punishment for Josh, where he's required to

2149
01:40:37,600 --> 01:40:40,920
Speaker 2: do to do everything he can't, he can do it,

2150
01:40:41,120 --> 01:40:43,200
Speaker 2: and I said it was silly to put it all

2151
01:40:43,240 --> 01:40:43,839
Speaker 2: on his shoulders.

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Speaker 7: Seat.

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Speaker 2: He did it last week, it's to have him do

2154
01:40:47,120 --> 01:40:49,559
Speaker 2: it back to back weeks on the road also feels

2155
01:40:49,600 --> 01:40:53,440
Speaker 2: a lot. So I want to emotionally prepare everybody. Josh

2156
01:40:53,479 --> 01:40:54,920
Speaker 2: if he can't do it, but I think he can.

2157
01:40:55,240 --> 01:40:57,400
Speaker 1: I think he can too. But my head, my head

2158
01:40:57,400 --> 01:41:01,880
Speaker 1: says Houston Denver. But but I might object it into

2159
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Speaker 1: my face, But my my heart it will be probably

2160
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Speaker 1: going for Patriots Bill, So I usually pick with my heart.

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01:41:07,960 --> 01:41:09,200
Speaker 1: Well off the check in.

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01:41:09,360 --> 01:41:12,599
Speaker 4: You're facing a real notebook style conflict.

2163
01:41:12,720 --> 01:41:16,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, hopefully we survive at the end.

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01:41:16,400 --> 01:41:16,599
Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 1: If we do, we will be back together next week.

2166
01:41:22,720 --> 01:41:24,880
Speaker 1: Hit the I mean I don't know, hit the music.

2167
01:41:25,280 --> 01:41:25,599
Speaker 3: Please.

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Speaker 1: This didn't seem like it'd be my kind of movie.

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Speaker 1: I mean I haven't seen any uh Colleen Hoover movies either.

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Speaker 1: Oh you know what I mean. Thursday we got the

2171
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Speaker 1: big pic show me Hit the Freelan against the Spread.

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Speaker 4: We will see that, Colleen Hoover