WEBVTT - FlyDubai Pilot Attack (09/30) 0:00:00.680 --> 0:00:04.240 KFI AM 640, you're listening to the John Kobelt Podcast 0:00:04.300 --> 0:00:11.260 on the iHeartRadio app. KFI AM 640, more stimulating talk radio. 0:00:11.320 --> 0:00:15.450 It's the John Kobelt Show. Welcome. We are on every 0:00:15.620 --> 0:00:18.090 afternoon from 3 to 6, and then after 6 o'clock, 0:00:18.150 --> 0:00:20.790 it's the podcast, John Kobelt Show On Demand. We're also 0:00:20.950 --> 0:00:24.570 live on YouTube and live on X, and the big 0:00:24.610 --> 0:00:27.620 story you probably have heard is First thing this morning, 0:00:28.120 --> 0:00:30.740 when everyone woke up, you found out that there was 0:00:30.800 --> 0:00:36.000 an attempted hijacking on a fly Dubai flight that was 0:00:36.060 --> 0:00:39.839 headed for Tel Aviv. And it had over 170 passengers. 0:00:39.860 --> 0:00:43.110 I think almost all of them Israeli. And the co-pilot 0:00:43.130 --> 0:00:45.930 was trying to stab the pilot to death. And then 0:00:45.950 --> 0:00:47.910 it looks like he was going to crash the plane 0:00:48.830 --> 0:00:50.970 into the ground or into a building. Who knows? 0:00:51.750 --> 0:00:51.890 And. 0:00:53.140 --> 0:00:57.440 Eventually, the passengers revolted and stormed the cockpit, and there 0:00:57.460 --> 0:01:01.560 were two other backup pilots on board to save the 0:01:01.580 --> 0:01:05.900 day and land the plane. What the motive was, where 0:01:05.940 --> 0:01:10.100 this co-pilot is from, see what we know. Rich Frankel, 0:01:10.319 --> 0:01:13.060 former special agent in charge of the FBI, now with 0:01:13.120 --> 0:01:18.920 ABC News. Rich, how are you? Very good. Thanks, John. 0:01:19.640 --> 0:01:21.320 What went on here? What do you know? 0:01:22.120 --> 0:01:27.090 So, yeah, so, you know, as you were saying, you 0:01:27.130 --> 0:01:33.020 have a pilot who, I forget if he's, I believe 0:01:33.040 --> 0:01:36.420 he's from Oman. He had been working for the airline 0:01:36.459 --> 0:01:41.690 for about nine months. And the plane was flying over. 0:01:41.709 --> 0:01:44.570 It had just entered Jordanian airspace, and he leaned over 0:01:44.610 --> 0:01:48.780 and started stabbing the pilot. The pilot was able to 0:01:48.820 --> 0:01:53.640 fight back, and during this time, the plane started to– 0:01:56.910 --> 0:02:02.270 It went down about 14,000 feet when it stopped its descent. 0:02:02.930 --> 0:02:05.550 The fight continued on, but the pilot was able to 0:02:05.590 --> 0:02:13.120 open up the cabin door. So that the Israelis who 0:02:13.139 --> 0:02:15.140 were on the other side, who knew something was up 0:02:15.160 --> 0:02:21.460 because of the fast descent of the plane over 14,000 feet, 0:02:22.000 --> 0:02:25.810 they stormed the cockpit and they pulled both pilots out, 0:02:26.280 --> 0:02:28.889 one being the pilot who was stabbed and they had 0:02:28.910 --> 0:02:31.169 a doctor immediately start working on him. And then they 0:02:31.210 --> 0:02:34.900 were able to restrain the co-pilot. And by the way, 0:02:34.910 --> 0:02:36.850 during all this time, it appears no one was flying 0:02:36.870 --> 0:02:40.889 the plane. However, luckily enough, there were two pilots who 0:02:40.930 --> 0:02:44.070 worked for the airline who were deadheading this flight that 0:02:44.090 --> 0:02:46.280 they were going to fly the plane back later in 0:02:46.340 --> 0:02:48.340 the day or the next day. And so they immediately 0:02:48.360 --> 0:02:53.200 came up, jumped into the seats. and were able to 0:02:53.260 --> 0:02:56.240 land the plane in Saudi Arabia, it appears because the 0:02:56.280 --> 0:02:59.540 plane had so much damage from that initial descent that 0:02:59.620 --> 0:03:00.800 it could not make it to Israel. 0:03:01.540 --> 0:03:06.380 So the plane was falling so rapidly, I guess at 0:03:06.419 --> 0:03:10.180 such a high speed, that it started, what, breaking apart? 0:03:10.200 --> 0:03:11.800 I mean, what was causing the damage? 0:03:11.820 --> 0:03:15.840 Yeah. Yeah, that's what I'm hearing, that it was– somebody 0:03:15.860 --> 0:03:18.220 said it was three miles, basically, that the plane descended, 0:03:19.290 --> 0:03:23.829 which is the 14,000 to 17,000 feet. And during that time, 0:03:24.010 --> 0:03:26.490 because of the way it was descending and et cetera, 0:03:27.190 --> 0:03:30.920 parts of the plane were coming off, not the entire 0:03:30.960 --> 0:03:33.020 wing or anything like that, but there were pieces that 0:03:33.060 --> 0:03:35.920 had come off, and that– Based upon all that and 0:03:35.960 --> 0:03:40.930 the initial damage to the plane, they immediately, the pilots 0:03:40.950 --> 0:03:43.530 decided that they needed to put down as quick as possible. 0:03:43.910 --> 0:03:47.510 And they landed in Saudi Arabia at a military base, 0:03:47.560 --> 0:03:47.840 I think. 0:03:47.900 --> 0:03:48.800 Yep. 0:03:49.660 --> 0:03:50.140 That's correct. 0:03:50.180 --> 0:03:50.800 Yeah. Yep. 0:03:51.500 --> 0:03:53.200 And the pilot, do we know what condition he's in? 0:03:54.930 --> 0:03:59.710 So the pilot who was stabbed is recovering. The first 0:03:59.790 --> 0:04:02.450 aid provided by the doctor, you know, I don't know 0:04:02.470 --> 0:04:04.270 if it saved his life, but it definitely helped him. 0:04:05.030 --> 0:04:08.070 And he's expected to make a full recovery. The other, 0:04:08.090 --> 0:04:11.190 the co-pilot, the attacker, is currently in the custody of 0:04:11.210 --> 0:04:16.539 the Saudi military. War enforcement and intelligence services. And he's 0:04:16.580 --> 0:04:19.760 going to be questioned and interrogated by them initially. And 0:04:19.779 --> 0:04:23.640 then possibly Israelis and or U.S. may also be able 0:04:23.680 --> 0:04:26.119 to get some intelligence out of them. 0:04:26.620 --> 0:04:29.820 I had read that it's suspicious that somebody from Oman 0:04:29.900 --> 0:04:34.350 would was flying a plane into Israeli airspace because Israel 0:04:34.410 --> 0:04:39.310 and Oman, they don't have a formal diplomatic relationship. I 0:04:39.330 --> 0:04:40.920 guess is the best way to describe it, and that 0:04:40.940 --> 0:04:43.170 you needed a special visa if you were a resident 0:04:43.190 --> 0:04:44.589 of Oman to get into Israel. 0:04:46.230 --> 0:04:50.880 Yeah. No, no, you're 100% right. Sorry for interrupting you, 0:04:50.920 --> 0:04:55.400 but I definitely think there's going to be some reviews 0:04:55.440 --> 0:04:59.140 going on because not only did a pilot get a 0:04:59.220 --> 0:05:02.140 knife on board, whether it was an acetate knife or 0:05:02.180 --> 0:05:08.099 some other type of implement that was not seen by 0:05:08.120 --> 0:05:14.130 Dubai security, but he past both the airline's security and 0:05:14.250 --> 0:05:17.030 Israeli security, because even if he's from Oman, even if 0:05:17.070 --> 0:05:19.170 he's moved to Dubai and he's now a Dubai citizen, 0:05:20.190 --> 0:05:23.670 Israel still is very aware of everyone who comes into 0:05:23.710 --> 0:05:26.920 their country. And I'm sure he had to go through 0:05:26.960 --> 0:05:29.620 some background check to be a pilot that would fly 0:05:29.660 --> 0:05:34.479 a plane into Israeli space. So those– I completely agree 0:05:34.500 --> 0:05:36.320 with you that this is something that's going to be 0:05:36.360 --> 0:05:42.040 reviewed from all areas of both Dubai and Israel. 0:05:42.960 --> 0:05:44.380 The pilot, what do we know about him? 0:05:47.020 --> 0:05:50.640 So the Oman pilot, we don't know a lot about 0:05:50.779 --> 0:05:53.800 other than that he was– he's been working there for 0:05:53.839 --> 0:05:56.150 nine months. We don't know if he was placed there. 0:05:56.490 --> 0:05:58.670 There's a lot of supposition going on that he was 0:05:58.750 --> 0:06:04.250 placed there by– whether it's Iran, al-Qaeda, ISIS, Hamas, Hezbollah, 0:06:04.470 --> 0:06:06.460 name one of the groups– but that he was placed 0:06:06.520 --> 0:06:09.160 there to commit an act of terrorism, in other words, 0:06:09.200 --> 0:06:13.260 to take over the plane. And then based upon his training, 0:06:13.300 --> 0:06:14.900 you know, over the nine months, he would then be 0:06:14.940 --> 0:06:18.420 able to fly that plane into Israel and crash it 0:06:18.560 --> 0:06:18.900 into a. 0:06:18.880 --> 0:06:21.120 Building like 9-11. 0:06:21.480 --> 0:06:22.960 That is what is believed. 0:06:23.200 --> 0:06:27.089 Now, you know, we don't know for that to be 0:06:27.150 --> 0:06:29.530 a fact yet, but that's what what the supposition is. 0:06:29.930 --> 0:06:34.370 The pilot is actually of Indian descent, also not an 0:06:34.410 --> 0:06:37.190 Israeli citizen, not a Dubai citizen, but. 0:06:39.130 --> 0:06:40.250 He was heroic. 0:06:40.710 --> 0:06:42.830 If he had not been able to open up that door, 0:06:42.910 --> 0:06:46.550 that cabin door, this whole story would have been completely different. 0:06:46.570 --> 0:06:50.040 Can you imagine if you had 170 Israelis killed by 0:06:50.120 --> 0:06:55.820 possible Islamic terrorism? Netanyahu would be dumping missiles all over everybody. 0:06:57.650 --> 0:07:01.900 Exactly, or even continue to fly that plane into Israeli space. 0:07:02.060 --> 0:07:08.080 I mean, you know, it could have just been a 0:07:08.160 --> 0:07:10.920 completely different story, and if it had not been for 0:07:10.960 --> 0:07:16.410 that pilot, it would have been. So, you know, I 0:07:16.450 --> 0:07:18.810 don't like throwing around the word hero too often. 0:07:19.170 --> 0:07:20.650 He was heroic in what he did. 0:07:20.890 --> 0:07:23.450 If he was heroic, I'm assuming he was on the 0:07:23.500 --> 0:07:26.370 ground and he was bleeding profusely from the stab wounds. 0:07:26.670 --> 0:07:28.490 How did he get the cockpit door open? 0:07:30.330 --> 0:07:31.230 That's exactly. 0:07:31.290 --> 0:07:32.750 I mean, the fact that, you know, maybe when he 0:07:32.790 --> 0:07:34.550 was getting out of the chair, when they were in the, 0:07:34.950 --> 0:07:36.510 in the struggle, he was just able to get the 0:07:36.560 --> 0:07:41.480 door and unlatch it. You know, it's just, it's unbelievable because, 0:07:41.580 --> 0:07:45.280 you know, listen, we, we, you know, those toxic doors 0:07:45.360 --> 0:07:49.490 are now almost impregnable, impregnable. You know, no one can 0:07:49.510 --> 0:07:51.490 get in. I don't know if you can get in 0:07:51.510 --> 0:07:53.530 there with a sledgehammer at this point. Wow. 0:07:54.230 --> 0:07:57.180 All this stuff. It's a very exciting story at the 0:07:57.220 --> 0:08:00.060 very least. Rich Frankel, thanks very much for coming on. 0:08:01.520 --> 0:08:01.940 You got it. 0:08:02.000 --> 0:08:02.460 Have a good day. 0:08:02.480 --> 0:08:05.830 All right. Former special agent in charge with the FBI, 0:08:05.910 --> 0:08:09.450 now with ABC News as an analyst. And there's a 0:08:09.610 --> 0:08:13.090 tremendous amount we don't know, obviously, but this character, this 0:08:13.130 --> 0:08:15.540 co-pilot who did the stabbing must have had a lot 0:08:15.560 --> 0:08:20.330 of help. And you could see, you know, why Netanyahu 0:08:20.370 --> 0:08:24.230 does what he does, because Israel is potentially under attack 0:08:24.410 --> 0:08:27.130 every single minute of every day. And you never know 0:08:27.540 --> 0:08:28.920 how it's going to happen or where it's going to 0:08:28.960 --> 0:08:31.280 come from. But it is going to happen. Talk more 0:08:31.340 --> 0:08:31.690 coming up. 0:08:32.559 --> 0:08:38.860 You're listening to John Kobelt on demand from KFI AM 640. 0:08:42.570 --> 0:08:46.590 Can't buy AM640 live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app. John 0:08:46.630 --> 0:08:52.120 Kobelt's show continues. And the Moist line is 877-MOIST-86, 877-MOIST-86. 0:08:52.280 --> 0:08:56.060 You use the talkback feature on the iHeartRadio app. We're 0:08:56.080 --> 0:08:59.319 live on X and live on YouTube. But they paid 0:08:59.360 --> 0:09:04.520 the bill. And the Wi-Fi works. So you can watch us. 0:09:05.320 --> 0:09:11.540 We just had Rob Frankel on. Rich Franklin, former special 0:09:11.600 --> 0:09:14.840 agent in charge of the FBI, he's now an ABC 0:09:14.880 --> 0:09:17.040 News analyst, and he gave us a rundown on what 0:09:17.160 --> 0:09:20.470 he knew and what went on in the cockpit with 0:09:20.510 --> 0:09:24.710 this fly Dubai flight, which was supposed to go to 0:09:24.750 --> 0:09:28.770 Tel Aviv. And instead, the co-pilot was a terrorist and 0:09:28.870 --> 0:09:34.410 stabbed the pilot. And the pilot was almost incapacitated, but 0:09:34.450 --> 0:09:40.640 he managed to somehow pry open the cockpit door, and 0:09:41.120 --> 0:09:46.679 the Israeli passengers stormed and subdued the terrorist and probably 0:09:46.720 --> 0:09:48.920 saved the life of the pilot by starting giving him 0:09:48.980 --> 0:09:52.830 medical treatment. And there were two other pilots on board. 0:09:52.870 --> 0:09:56.069 What are the odds of this? There was another crew, 0:09:56.630 --> 0:09:59.630 pilot and co-pilot, and they were supposed to take over 0:09:59.690 --> 0:10:03.460 the plane. for the next flight. They were the relief crew, 0:10:03.780 --> 0:10:06.300 wherever the flight was going next out of Tel Aviv. 0:10:06.980 --> 0:10:11.060 So they were already there. But the plane had got 0:10:11.160 --> 0:10:15.620 damaged because it dropped three miles in three minutes. And 0:10:15.660 --> 0:10:18.599 so parts of the plane started breaking off because the 0:10:18.679 --> 0:10:22.480 speed exceeded the the plane's capacity to hold itself together. 0:10:23.540 --> 0:10:29.240 And I'm just reading quotes from passengers. And one woman, 0:10:29.660 --> 0:10:36.560 I don't know if it's a woman, Lital Shaychoff said, 0:10:36.660 --> 0:10:39.300 I can just say it was a miracle. It was awful, crazy. 0:10:39.380 --> 0:10:41.460 We thank God we survived it. We didn't think we 0:10:41.480 --> 0:10:43.660 would make it. Thank God we're in Israel. We're back home. 0:10:43.700 --> 0:10:46.920 We're happy to see everyone here. It looks like there 0:10:46.940 --> 0:10:52.520 was just... One injury outside of the pilot, one 51-year-old 0:10:52.559 --> 0:10:59.400 man who had some minor injuries, and this was a 0:10:59.460 --> 0:11:05.090 successful version of the Flight 93 story from 9-11. And 0:11:05.330 --> 0:11:08.910 this is what Israel has to deal with. If you 0:11:08.929 --> 0:11:12.850 didn't have those backup pilots on board, if the pilot hadn't— 0:11:14.340 --> 0:11:16.140 Somehow pride opened the door and I don't know how 0:11:16.179 --> 0:11:18.080 he did it while in the middle of getting stabbed 0:11:18.100 --> 0:11:23.360 nearly to death then which the headline is 174 Israelis 0:11:23.420 --> 0:11:27.040 die in a terrorist attack in a plane cockpit and 0:11:27.360 --> 0:11:31.240 Netanyahu and Trump probably would have unleashed. Holy hell Over 0:11:31.600 --> 0:11:34.300 whoever in the Middle East is responsible for this. There 0:11:34.420 --> 0:11:37.090 was one British official who claimed Iran It's something to 0:11:37.120 --> 0:11:40.770 do with it, but we don't know the the stabbing 0:11:41.010 --> 0:11:44.860 copilot is from Oman. Israel and Oman do not have 0:11:45.000 --> 0:11:50.200 formal relations. And in fact, from what I heard, it's 0:11:50.280 --> 0:11:53.230 hard for somebody from Oman to get into Israel without 0:11:53.570 --> 0:11:57.010 applying for and receiving a special visa. And they certainly 0:11:57.090 --> 0:11:59.610 aren't supposed to be a co-pilot on the plane. And 0:11:59.630 --> 0:12:03.770 there had to be so many co-conspirators. First of all, 0:12:03.790 --> 0:12:08.679 the co-pilot got through the multiple security levels with the knife. 0:12:09.679 --> 0:12:10.640 And he had to be. 0:12:12.160 --> 0:12:17.190 He had to get a chance to join FlyDubai and 0:12:17.330 --> 0:12:23.290 somehow be assigned to that flight. So there's other people 0:12:23.350 --> 0:12:28.190 involved in this. This doesn't just happen. And then, you know, 0:12:28.230 --> 0:12:31.730 I never heard of FlyDubai. Because that sounds like a slogan, 0:12:32.150 --> 0:12:34.790 not an airline. And then I find out Debra. Of course. 0:12:34.929 --> 0:12:37.760 Of taking FlyDubai. And why you weren't on this flight, 0:12:37.840 --> 0:12:38.280 I don't know. 0:12:38.540 --> 0:12:41.760 Well, it was a couple of years ago. But I 0:12:41.820 --> 0:12:42.860 very well could have. 0:12:44.080 --> 0:12:45.140 It's shocking, really. 0:12:45.260 --> 0:12:45.540 I know. 0:12:46.940 --> 0:12:51.219 I think I took two fly Dubai flights when I 0:12:51.260 --> 0:12:51.979 went to Dubai. 0:12:52.000 --> 0:12:56.460 And it was Dubai to... I think it was. 0:12:56.480 --> 0:12:56.560 I. 0:12:59.660 --> 0:13:01.339 Think it was to the Maldives. 0:13:01.380 --> 0:13:03.640 Yeah, I think it was the Maldives. 0:13:03.679 --> 0:13:05.860 Two years ago. A long time ago. 0:13:06.179 --> 0:13:09.620 A lot has happened in my life. But we did 0:13:09.660 --> 0:13:10.560 do fly Dubai. 0:13:12.460 --> 0:13:14.180 And did you have to pay extra not to have 0:13:14.200 --> 0:13:15.179 a terrorist on board? 0:13:15.500 --> 0:13:15.700 I did. 0:13:15.740 --> 0:13:18.500 And it was worth it. It was worth every penny. 0:13:18.520 --> 0:13:20.020 You had to check that box? Yes. 0:13:21.000 --> 0:13:21.980 And I'm so glad I did. 0:13:22.000 --> 0:13:22.080 Yeah. 0:13:23.080 --> 0:13:25.240 Always remember that when you fly one of these Middle 0:13:25.260 --> 0:13:30.760 Eastern airlines. You check the non-terrorist section of the non-terrorist flight. Yeah, 0:13:31.070 --> 0:13:32.830 it descended. Now they're saying. 0:13:32.850 --> 0:13:34.110 Oh, that's terrifying. 0:13:34.290 --> 0:13:34.709 Also. 0:13:35.610 --> 0:13:40.530 Yeah, it dropped this report from Reuters. Is this from Reuters? No, 0:13:40.550 --> 0:13:42.830 this one's from the New York Times. descended more than 0:13:42.830 --> 0:13:47.830 17,000 feet in less than two minutes. And the one 0:13:48.490 --> 0:13:52.689 passenger named Almag Itali, I love these names, Almag said 0:13:52.730 --> 0:13:55.790 the plane kept stabilizing and then dropping again. And I 0:13:55.820 --> 0:13:57.440 guess maybe they were fighting over the steering. 0:13:59.940 --> 0:14:04.240 Well, it also takes time for those, the pilots that 0:14:04.280 --> 0:14:06.000 took over to get situated. 0:14:06.900 --> 0:14:10.820 Yeah, Adam Polovinchik, who was on the flight with his 0:14:10.860 --> 0:14:13.500 family said it was an extreme experience, but he was 0:14:13.540 --> 0:14:17.920 trying to remain calm for his children. Daddy, why is 0:14:17.940 --> 0:14:18.459 the plane. 0:14:18.300 --> 0:14:20.160 Going straight down? I don't know how I would react. 0:14:20.780 --> 0:14:22.280 Why is the pilot bleeding all? 0:14:22.860 --> 0:14:23.060 Wow. 0:14:24.200 --> 0:14:29.910 Uh, in fact, it eventually they landed in Saudi Arabia and, uh, 0:14:29.950 --> 0:14:32.170 they were really happy to be there, which, you know, 0:14:32.190 --> 0:14:34.750 it doesn't happen often. Most of us, if we wake 0:14:34.810 --> 0:14:36.590 up and find out we're in Saudi Arabia, it's like, Oh, 0:14:36.590 --> 0:14:41.620 it's like something bad really happened. Um, One high school 0:14:41.660 --> 0:14:45.240 student named Peleg Itali says, in my head, I'm saying 0:14:45.300 --> 0:14:47.900 I'm so screwed. I'm so screwed. I don't deserve to 0:14:47.980 --> 0:14:51.860 die like this. It's chilling just to read the quotes 0:14:51.900 --> 0:14:53.980 from the people. I haven't even seen. Oh, I did 0:14:54.020 --> 0:14:55.760 see the video of the pilot. 0:14:56.160 --> 0:14:56.440 Yeah. 0:14:56.520 --> 0:14:58.500 They had him laid out. And there happened to be 0:14:58.520 --> 0:15:04.090 a doctor on board. And some other Israelis were helping 0:15:04.130 --> 0:15:05.869 to treat him. And they had an oxygen mask on 0:15:05.910 --> 0:15:08.990 his face. But there was blood everywhere. Huge bloodstains smeared 0:15:09.030 --> 0:15:12.560 on the wall. And there's blood all over his clothes. 0:15:12.580 --> 0:15:14.760 And he had, you could kind of see, he had 0:15:14.800 --> 0:15:19.910 a major wound in his abdomen. It was just. 0:15:20.490 --> 0:15:22.730 But what is terrifying is what you said, that there 0:15:22.750 --> 0:15:26.130 must be so many co-conspirators for this person to be 0:15:26.170 --> 0:15:29.390 able to be on this flight, have the knife. You know, 0:15:29.410 --> 0:15:31.530 there's so many pieces to this puzzle that had to 0:15:31.570 --> 0:15:32.050 come together. 0:15:32.490 --> 0:15:32.650 Yeah. 0:15:33.360 --> 0:15:33.530 Yeah. 0:15:33.600 --> 0:15:35.880 I mean, you remember how many people were involved in 0:15:35.920 --> 0:15:37.150 the conspiracy with 9-11? 0:15:39.270 --> 0:15:39.510 Right. 0:15:40.410 --> 0:15:42.630 And, you know, you have to you have to have 0:15:42.670 --> 0:15:44.989 a whole team behind you and the team has to 0:15:45.010 --> 0:15:49.690 be financed. And this probably went on for months. And 0:15:49.710 --> 0:15:53.230 I would think like you do rehearsals because I think 0:15:54.070 --> 0:15:57.370 the 9-11 guys had practiced getting on planes and they 0:15:57.410 --> 0:16:01.140 were watching to see what the gaps are in U.S. security, 0:16:01.180 --> 0:16:03.840 which back then there were a lot. The gap was 0:16:03.880 --> 0:16:07.340 the whole system because nobody had considered that these kind 0:16:07.380 --> 0:16:10.730 of things could happen. So this was— Did you ever 0:16:10.770 --> 0:16:12.130 expect the co-pilot? 0:16:13.030 --> 0:16:15.810 I mean, has there ever been a case like this before? 0:16:17.010 --> 0:16:20.590 No, except I have in my memory within, I don't know, 0:16:20.650 --> 0:16:26.710 the last 20 years. Wasn't there an Egyptian pilot who 0:16:28.050 --> 0:16:29.810 was going to take the plane down or tried to 0:16:29.830 --> 0:16:30.310 take the plane down? 0:16:30.330 --> 0:16:32.070 Oh, yeah, I know what you're talking about. 0:16:32.410 --> 0:16:35.290 There was one guy, and he was going to commit suicide. 0:16:35.310 --> 0:16:35.510 Yeah. 0:16:36.270 --> 0:16:38.740 With the plane. And I don't even remember what, what 0:16:38.800 --> 0:16:39.460 happened with that. 0:16:40.320 --> 0:16:42.360 I'll have to Google that, but that's true. 0:16:43.380 --> 0:16:46.540 So it's a fly Dubai. 0:16:47.080 --> 0:16:47.280 Yeah. 0:16:47.820 --> 0:16:49.640 It's a real airline. I was on it. 0:16:50.580 --> 0:16:51.060 Of course. 0:16:51.360 --> 0:16:52.000 Yes, of course. 0:16:54.120 --> 0:16:56.420 I'm not even going to talk about my future travel plans. 0:16:57.700 --> 0:17:00.590 And I do have some, you could probably crash a 0:17:01.160 --> 0:17:04.910 stock market with announcing your travel plans. Oh yeah. 0:17:04.970 --> 0:17:05.110 Yep. 0:17:05.910 --> 0:17:08.740 I don't want to. I didn't ask for this. 0:17:08.840 --> 0:17:09.340 No, I know. 0:17:09.520 --> 0:17:12.520 This gift. This gift. It's on a two-year delay now, 0:17:12.560 --> 0:17:15.459 which I guess is good. All right. By the way, 0:17:15.500 --> 0:17:20.180 just as a completely different aside, there's a Steve Hilton, 0:17:20.320 --> 0:17:24.119 Javier Becerra debate tonight on CNN at 6 o'clock. And 0:17:24.160 --> 0:17:26.590 later on in the show, we will talk about it. 0:17:26.600 --> 0:17:29.420 But if you want to see Becerra. Oh, we also 0:17:29.460 --> 0:17:31.660 have a lot of clips of Becerra with a bizarre 0:17:31.850 --> 0:17:35.840 interview that he did with A female, I guess she's 0:17:35.880 --> 0:17:37.570 a journalist. I don't know what she is because she 0:17:37.630 --> 0:17:40.430 was very strange as well. And she was questioning Becerra. 0:17:40.470 --> 0:17:42.530 And we have a lot of clips to play. And 0:17:43.550 --> 0:17:46.010 you will see that what I tell you is true. 0:17:46.090 --> 0:17:50.010 Becerra is a total dud. There's little to nothing going 0:17:50.130 --> 0:17:53.180 on inside his brain. And that's why he's not really 0:17:53.260 --> 0:17:56.660 running a campaign. He's just staying home and figuring that 0:17:57.340 --> 0:17:59.639 all the sheep in this state will do the work 0:17:59.820 --> 0:18:03.200 and vote for whatever Democrat is listed as the candidate 0:18:03.220 --> 0:18:07.310 for governor. When we come back, we're going to have 0:18:07.490 --> 0:18:11.310 on Royal Oaks from ABC News because Lindsay Clancy's attorney 0:18:11.890 --> 0:18:15.510 was in court today claiming there was no evidence she 0:18:15.570 --> 0:18:18.070 killed her children. Is that right? Is that what? We'll 0:18:18.109 --> 0:18:18.629 talk about that. 0:18:19.760 --> 0:18:26.080 You're listening to John Kobelt on demand from KFI AM 640. 0:18:28.080 --> 0:18:31.980 KFI AM 640, we're stimulating talk radio, the John Kobelt Show. 0:18:33.010 --> 0:18:36.230 And after 6 o'clock, the podcast for whatever you missed, 0:18:36.320 --> 0:18:39.920 John Kobelt Show on demand on the iHeartRadio app. Live 0:18:39.960 --> 0:18:43.420 on YouTube, live on X, and on YouTube, go to 0:18:43.460 --> 0:18:48.480 youtube.com slash at John Kobelt Show, and you can subscribe 0:18:48.520 --> 0:18:51.460 or become a member. Now, let's get to Royal Oaks 0:18:51.850 --> 0:18:56.410 from ABC News, the legal analyst, because Lindsay Clancy's attorney 0:18:56.690 --> 0:18:59.429 was back in court today claiming there's no evidence she 0:18:59.490 --> 0:19:02.879 killed her three children. And he wants the whole case 0:19:03.580 --> 0:19:06.740 thrown out, which I know strikes me as a normal 0:19:06.780 --> 0:19:10.150 person as being absurd. But let's go to Royal Oaks. 0:19:11.290 --> 0:19:11.930 How are you, Royal? 0:19:13.180 --> 0:19:13.820 I'm great, John. 0:19:13.859 --> 0:19:16.600 And, you know, if you thought you'd reported on other messy, 0:19:16.680 --> 0:19:19.199 you know, bizarre world cases, this has to top it. 0:19:19.260 --> 0:19:21.900 I mean, the idea of the defense trying to sell 0:19:21.940 --> 0:19:24.950 the idea that she didn't kill her children is astounding. 0:19:24.990 --> 0:19:26.990 I mean, she really didn't try to pitch that in. 0:19:26.950 --> 0:19:29.250 The first trial. But the fact that he was about 0:19:29.290 --> 0:19:33.090 to win 11-1, not guilty, I think I guess he's emboldened. 0:19:33.109 --> 0:19:35.810 Well, because I thought the argument I thought the argument 0:19:35.850 --> 0:19:37.850 in the first trial was she was out of her mind. 0:19:38.970 --> 0:19:39.790 Yes, exactly. 0:19:39.930 --> 0:19:40.550 Exactly right. 0:19:40.770 --> 0:19:43.540 And I think he's trying to double down. The problem 0:19:43.619 --> 0:19:46.460 is there's no videotape of what happened, but she did 0:19:46.520 --> 0:19:50.560 speak to a psychiatrist during the whole evaluation deal. And 0:19:50.619 --> 0:19:53.699 he testified in court that she said to him that 0:19:53.740 --> 0:19:57.580 this voice commanding her to kill her children started after 0:19:57.619 --> 0:20:00.290 her husband left. And then the voice stopped when she 0:20:00.350 --> 0:20:04.590 finished strangling the children. So there is a secondary confession 0:20:04.630 --> 0:20:05.210 in that sense. 0:20:09.060 --> 0:20:11.889 Because I don't remember during the trial that the defense 0:20:11.970 --> 0:20:16.240 was she had nothing to do with this. We have 0:20:16.359 --> 0:20:17.770 no idea who the real killer is. 0:20:19.930 --> 0:20:23.090 I think it undermines the credibility. No, it didn't come up, 0:20:23.150 --> 0:20:25.530 and it undermines the credibility of the defense. As I said, 0:20:25.650 --> 0:20:27.410 I think they feel like they're on a roll. What 0:20:27.430 --> 0:20:30.330 happened now is that the judges had a hearing, even reporting, 0:20:30.630 --> 0:20:32.350 and the judge said, look, I'm going to take under 0:20:32.390 --> 0:20:35.810 submission your motion that I should toss the charges because 0:20:35.869 --> 0:20:38.940 no rational, sane jury on the planet could have found 0:20:38.980 --> 0:20:41.560 her guilty. Well, that's a real stretch. I think he's 0:20:41.600 --> 0:20:44.240 going to lose that for sure. Now, on November 2, John, 0:20:44.260 --> 0:20:45.879 there's going to be a hearing. And by then, the 0:20:45.980 --> 0:20:49.220 DA will finally decide whether he wants a second trial. 0:20:49.260 --> 0:20:50.720 I mean, as you know, the DAs always want a 0:20:50.760 --> 0:20:52.610 second trial. They like a second bite at the apple. 0:20:52.619 --> 0:20:53.350 They don't like to lose. 0:20:53.369 --> 0:20:56.630 Now, Yeah, he did lose 11 to 1 first time around. 0:20:56.930 --> 0:20:59.670 So that's still pending. And the other thing is this 0:20:59.750 --> 0:21:02.699 holdout juror. I mean, the defense is just really doubling 0:21:02.740 --> 0:21:04.960 down on this guy. They want him to appear. They 0:21:05.000 --> 0:21:07.310 want the judge to quiz him about, you know, what 0:21:07.350 --> 0:21:10.970 about your criminal past? You know, did you really deliberate 0:21:11.010 --> 0:21:13.230 and weren't you getting all sorts of texts from people? 0:21:13.450 --> 0:21:14.889 We don't know yet if the judge is going to 0:21:14.930 --> 0:21:15.290 do that. 0:21:15.869 --> 0:21:19.129 But it's a huge mess. So many things up in 0:21:19.170 --> 0:21:21.590 the air. But we'll know a lot more on November 2. 0:21:21.590 --> 0:21:23.050 I think what's going to happen then is the judge 0:21:23.090 --> 0:21:25.369 is going to say, nice try, defense. I'm not knocking 0:21:25.390 --> 0:21:27.869 the case out. And DA, yeah, you say you. 0:21:27.830 --> 0:21:29.470 Want another trial. Let's go. 0:21:29.490 --> 0:21:31.800 I mean, there could be another trial January or February 0:21:31.840 --> 0:21:32.800 and they'll have a rerun. 0:21:33.300 --> 0:21:37.280 And is the trial, remind me, was this a first degree, 0:21:37.359 --> 0:21:38.480 second degree murder charge? 0:21:40.890 --> 0:21:44.170 Yeah, they want first-degree murder. And the real question is, well, 0:21:44.210 --> 0:21:46.530