1 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:04,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you missed in History Class, A production 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 1: of I Heart Radio, Hello and Happy Friday. I'm Holly 3 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:20,240 Speaker 1: Fry and I'm tracybe Wilson. So Tracy, we talked about 4 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 1: Eventualista Torcha late this week. Can I tell you what 5 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:28,600 Speaker 1: one of the hardest things about talking about physics and 6 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 1: math and science in this period of time is for me? Yeah? 7 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 1: Tell me? Everyone is kind of uh has all of 8 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:41,800 Speaker 1: the titles. No one is just a scientist, is like astronomer, philosopher, mathematician. 9 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 1: And I'm always like, which do I use if I'm 10 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:48,239 Speaker 1: trying to just write a simple sentence in it? Uh, 11 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 1: it's frustrating. Just make everyone be Polly math right, But 12 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 1: that doesn't ever seem quite right either. The hardest thing 13 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 1: for me, having been the one researching the episode, was 14 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:07,839 Speaker 1: saying all the Italian names, because as I was confirming 15 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:11,479 Speaker 1: pronunciations on all of the names, which I hope I 16 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 1: did adequately on, I found that every single one of 17 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:19,200 Speaker 1: them when I read it in my head from the paper, 18 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 1: I either I either put in a consonant that I 19 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:26,759 Speaker 1: did not go there, or I took out a vowl 20 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 1: that did go there, and zero of them did I 21 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 1: have right in my head on the first drive. I 22 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 1: think that's natural for a language that you don't speak. 23 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:41,120 Speaker 1: I have the same problem, you know. I always say 24 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:43,840 Speaker 1: that whenever there's a foreign language we encounter that is 25 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 1: not French, I tend to say it with a French accent, 26 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 1: which is just ridiculous, but there it is. That's what 27 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 1: my brain goes the other language and it pulls that out. Um. 28 00:01:54,960 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 1: I'm working on Italian. I'm not doing great. I did 29 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 1: start a duo lingo of Italian back when we very 30 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:08,240 Speaker 1: first started talking about going to Italy, and then then 31 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:11,960 Speaker 1: the pandemic started and I did not have the brain 32 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 1: capacity for it and also felt, um I it was 33 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:19,679 Speaker 1: like I felt like I was either jinxing the potential 34 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 1: of going to Italy or or I'm not sure what. 35 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:25,680 Speaker 1: So I still have that whole course installed on my phone, 36 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:30,559 Speaker 1: but I have kept up with it. Yeah, I am similarly, 37 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:34,120 Speaker 1: I do that ding dong thing where I am just 38 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 1: keep adding courses in due lingo and then it's like 39 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 1: just too much to keep keep up. But I'm like, 40 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 1: of course I'll also learn Hawaiian. Of course I will 41 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:46,240 Speaker 1: work on my French. Of course, throw some German in there. 42 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:50,519 Speaker 1: Dear me, what have I done? Like I can, I 43 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 1: can't keep up with it, but I'm I continue to try, 44 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:57,800 Speaker 1: and ever I feel like every like six weeks to 45 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 1: two months, I get like another surge room like yes, 46 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 1: every day I will do two lessons in each language, 47 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 1: and that lasts for a couple of weeks, and then 48 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 1: I kind of fall apart, or I go on a trip, 49 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 1: or I you know, something happens and then pack up 50 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:16,919 Speaker 1: is there, never to be replaced again. Um. I had 51 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 1: not known very much about Torricelli before this one. No 52 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 1: me neither. And it's it is interesting to think about 53 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 1: how many developments and strides were being made in the 54 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:33,640 Speaker 1: maths and sciences in Italy at this time, all over 55 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 1: the world, particularly in Europe, and particularly in Italy. So 56 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 1: I can kind of see, especially because he did die 57 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 1: young for from whatever mystery ailment, I can see where 58 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 1: he does not get the same level of attention in 59 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 1: historical discussions of this time. I am very fascinated by 60 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 1: his desire to avoid controversy, like to me, that is 61 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 1: um harmful. Um two we don't often really talk about. 62 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:11,240 Speaker 1: I mean, I kind of found myself a little embarrassed 63 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 1: that even though we have studied a lot of these 64 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:17,120 Speaker 1: pieces of this puzzle before, I was like, gosh, it 65 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 1: was really a hundred years after Copernicus that people were 66 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 1: still being tried just for going like I think that 67 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:27,280 Speaker 1: guy was onto something. Um that to me is very 68 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 1: interesting like that a hundred years later, it was still 69 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 1: heretical to even consider that. You know, we uh, we 70 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 1: as humans don't always welcome new ideas, and that's a 71 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 1: really good example of it. It's been a theme on 72 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 1: our show sometimes. Yeah, so that idea of like I 73 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:50,480 Speaker 1: don't want to fight you guys. I'm just saying I 74 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 1: did this experiment and it kind of proved the thing 75 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 1: wrong that we all thought was true. But I'm not 76 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 1: publishing that. Like I kind of love whatever is going 77 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 1: on in his head at that point of like I'm 78 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:02,919 Speaker 1: just writing to you, my friend. And then of course 79 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 1: Richie told everybody and it all got out. But um, yeah, 80 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:10,840 Speaker 1: those are that that whole How you navigate that from 81 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:14,920 Speaker 1: a personal standpoint is fascinating to me. And we don't 82 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:18,840 Speaker 1: often talk about I hadn't at least talked about kind 83 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:21,719 Speaker 1: of the people of the day going. I would like 84 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:26,280 Speaker 1: to not get in this fight. Please. Yeah. Yeah, I 85 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:30,920 Speaker 1: feel like I have this on a way less consequential 86 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:35,359 Speaker 1: level when like I have an unpopular opinion about a 87 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 1: movie or something and I'm like, not gonna tweet that, well, right, 88 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 1: but I mean I will say, yes, it's less consequential. 89 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 1: But part of it to me is like in the 90 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 1: case of something like a movie, unless it is really 91 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:52,040 Speaker 1: conveying like a dangerous message, it's somebody out there. It's 92 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:54,280 Speaker 1: their favorite thing and they love it and it's not 93 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:58,040 Speaker 1: holding us back like into terms of of a people 94 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:01,360 Speaker 1: from scientific breakthroughs or with ever. So for those I'm 95 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:03,480 Speaker 1: generally like, if I didn't like a book or movie, 96 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:05,559 Speaker 1: I usually just never talk about it. And I don't 97 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 1: because I don't. I don't wanna, you know, bad mouth 98 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:12,359 Speaker 1: something somebody else loves, just like I don't love it 99 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:14,679 Speaker 1: when somebody goes in that movie you love, it sucks, 100 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 1: like why get out of my face. I don't care 101 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 1: what you think. Um, I don't want to be that 102 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 1: person to somebody else. But if it were a case 103 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 1: of like hey, y'all science, which we're seeing some of 104 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 1: those you know, arguments going on, those are a little 105 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:32,680 Speaker 1: more important and worthwhile to have. Um, yeah, it's a 106 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:40,159 Speaker 1: I just did the experiment. I'm not getting involved the 107 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 1: Toricelli method of managing your life and your strife. One 108 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:56,159 Speaker 1: of the things we talked about on this show this 109 00:06:56,200 --> 00:07:01,840 Speaker 1: week was the Expulsion of the Acadians, something that's been 110 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:04,039 Speaker 1: on the to do list for so so, so very 111 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 1: long and also one of the things that we keep 112 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 1: getting requests for, Like we've continued to get regular requests 113 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 1: for it through the whole time. Uh. It took a 114 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 1: very long time to get to it, mostly because it 115 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 1: is a very big topic. There's a lot of stuff involved, 116 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 1: a lot of context involved. Uh. There are several other 117 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:26,680 Speaker 1: things that have been on this do list for a 118 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 1: very long time that similarly are just really big topics 119 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:33,240 Speaker 1: that have a lot to get through, a lot of 120 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 1: it also incredibly tragic. There are other removals that have 121 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 1: been on the list for a really long time that 122 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 1: similarly have just a ton of stuff to get through. 123 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:47,680 Speaker 1: Another thing is that before I start on an episode, 124 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 1: a question that I ask myself a lot of the times, 125 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 1: if it's especially if it's about something that did not 126 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 1: happen in a place that I have lived, is do 127 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 1: I have the cultural competence to talk about this, right, 128 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 1: Sometimes that answer is no. And even though Canada is 129 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 1: our neighbor to the north, it's not that far from 130 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 1: where I live. It's a place that I've only been 131 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 1: to one time. And Uh, when we have talked about 132 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:22,000 Speaker 1: Canadian history on the show, often I have discovered that 133 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:24,880 Speaker 1: I did not actually have the cultural competence to talk 134 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 1: about that, even though it thought that I did so. 135 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 1: Hopefully we did okay with this particular one, having piece 136 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:38,200 Speaker 1: together a lot of knowledge that I did not have 137 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 1: before about the Akkadians and about the Megama, whose name 138 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 1: I think we've probably said incorrectly in every other episode 139 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:50,560 Speaker 1: that we've uh that that they've come up uh, And 140 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 1: as I understand it, there are multiple accepted pronunciations. Now. 141 00:08:56,920 --> 00:09:00,080 Speaker 1: Getting through all of these conflicts and worse between it 142 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 1: in France was tricky, and I still am afraid that 143 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:08,680 Speaker 1: like I've somehow missed an entire one in the right. 144 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 1: This brought up a fun question for me. Okay, I 145 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:17,400 Speaker 1: will have to hunt down and may never find out. 146 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 1: But um, it had not occurred to me. Even though 147 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:24,200 Speaker 1: I knew about the poem of Angeline, it had not 148 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 1: occurred to me that might be where the character Ray 149 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:34,679 Speaker 1: Ray in The Princess and the Frogs girlfriend's name comes from. 150 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:39,079 Speaker 1: I don't know how well you remember that movie, not really, 151 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 1: but um, Evangeline is essentially a star, but Ray Ray 152 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 1: is convinced that it is the love of his life, 153 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:51,200 Speaker 1: another firefly that is just very far away. Um And 154 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 1: so when I think about it in context of this story, 155 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 1: I'm like, I bet that's what they're referencing. That seems 156 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 1: like that could be the um. I Also, I had 157 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 1: a lot of Henry Wadsworth Longfellow feelings when I got 158 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 1: to that part of the research, because um, he wrote 159 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 1: various poems that sort of romanticized and grieved for a 160 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:25,080 Speaker 1: lost people, simultaneously setting up a lot of like incorrect 161 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 1: ideas about those people. Like uh he his song of 162 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 1: Hiawatha has come up on the show in previous episodes. 163 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 1: As I understand it, Evangeline was was pretty well received 164 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 1: among Akadian people when it came out. I don't know 165 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 1: that those feelings are still the same today. I don't 166 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 1: want to speak for anybody, and I did not really 167 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:51,320 Speaker 1: get into that uh and when I was researching it, 168 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:54,760 Speaker 1: but like, it does seem like that people were glad 169 00:10:54,800 --> 00:11:00,079 Speaker 1: that this poem raised awareness of what had happened, and 170 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 1: though it did not very accurately represent like I don't 171 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:09,080 Speaker 1: think he actually ever talked to any Acadians before writing 172 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:12,080 Speaker 1: the poem. I don't know that his research went in 173 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 1: that direction as he was writing it. But um, it 174 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 1: was a very influential piece of literature. Yeah, I would 175 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 1: bet almost certainly, not regarding the discussions of such things 176 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:32,080 Speaker 1: with people actively connected to it, because that's been the 177 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:35,200 Speaker 1: case for a long time. Um, that was the standard. 178 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:39,319 Speaker 1: Slowly but surely things shift. But now I want to 179 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 1: go watch Princess and the Frog again, and also, you know, 180 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:45,959 Speaker 1: eat a lot of delicious things. I feel almost guilty 181 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:49,680 Speaker 1: that the beautiful thing to grow out of this is 182 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 1: Cajun culture and all of the amazing music and food 183 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:57,600 Speaker 1: that we all get to enjoy. M hmmm, A lot 184 00:11:57,640 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 1: of very delicious and wonderful stuff. If folks, I want 185 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 1: more information about this, I know we still don't have 186 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:11,719 Speaker 1: a place to put our show notes. We continue to 187 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:13,839 Speaker 1: get questions about like where are the show notes, and 188 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:15,920 Speaker 1: we we don't have a great place to put show 189 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:18,560 Speaker 1: notes right now. Maybe that will change. I don't know 190 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 1: it's fingers crossed totally unclear, but if folks are like 191 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 1: I wish I knew a lot more about this. One 192 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 1: of the books that I had as a as a 193 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 1: source for this episode was called A Great and Noble Scheme, 194 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:37,199 Speaker 1: The Tragic Story of the Expulsion of the French Acadians 195 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:40,800 Speaker 1: from their American homeland. Uh and it is like six 196 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 1: hundred pages long. So well, I talked at the top 197 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 1: of the episode about the gap between like a one 198 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 1: pager and the you know, the realities of what happened. 199 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:56,160 Speaker 1: The gap between are probably forty five ish minute episode 200 00:12:56,480 --> 00:12:58,839 Speaker 1: of this one. The gap between that and a six 201 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 1: hundred page book, there's a lot. There's a lot. There's 202 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:04,080 Speaker 1: a lot of de sale that was in there that 203 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 1: we didn't really get into. So again, Happy Friday. I 204 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:11,280 Speaker 1: hope everybody has a great weekend whatever is on your plate. 205 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:14,400 Speaker 1: We will be back Saturday with a Saturday Classic. I'm 206 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 1: on Monday with a brand new episode. Stuff You Missed 207 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:24,680 Speaker 1: in History Class is a production of I Heart Radio. 208 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 1: For more podcasts from I heart Radio, visit the i 209 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 1: heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to 210 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 1: your favorite shows.