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Speaker 1: You guys ready to get fired up.

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Speaker 2: I'm not to fire everyone up, and there's only really

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Speaker 2: one person in the room, I think, who can truly

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Speaker 2: speak to this, whether this is true or not, but

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Speaker 2: eight five, five, five, nine one three five researchers announcing

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Speaker 2: this morning. Researchers are saying that for some new dog owners,

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Speaker 2: the experience of raising a puppy is comparable to the

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Speaker 2: postpartum baby blues many human parents experience with their newborns.

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Speaker 2: The puppy stage gives rise to a variety of worries,

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Speaker 2: mood swings, irritability, and sometimes difficulty bonding with the dog

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Speaker 2: that feels at odds with what you're supposed to feel

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Speaker 2: raising something that's cute and young, you know whatever. Research

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Speaker 2: has found that both pet parents and human parents describe

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Speaker 2: anxiety and depression like symptoms triggered by the life change

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Speaker 2: of a new family member, though it typically diminishes over time.

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Speaker 2: So that's not to say that raising a dog is

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Speaker 2: the same as raising a child, but it is to

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Speaker 2: say that there are emotional similarities and feelings of responsibility

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Speaker 2: and even feelings that are similar to postpartum when raising

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Speaker 2: a puppy and the same as when raising a.

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Speaker 3: Human No, yes, and no, but I'm gonna go with no.

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Speaker 1: Because Helena says no.

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Speaker 2: Now, Paulina is the only one of the room who

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Speaker 2: has a human kid and a canine kid.

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Speaker 4: Yes, And when my canine kid, Benzo, was a puppy,

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Speaker 4: those were like really dark times for me, so it

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Speaker 4: was really hard.

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Speaker 3: I'm not gonna lie. I'm not a puppy face kind

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Speaker 4: However, Benzo didn't rip my insides, so you know, I

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Speaker 4: pushed out a real kid, and like those postpartum blues

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Speaker 4: are very different.

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Speaker 2: Now, is it as hard to raise a puppy as

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Speaker 2: it is a human because I might argue that a

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Speaker 2: puppy is a little bit more mobile, and you know,

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Speaker 2: the baby, it's difficult, and I would imagine it gets

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Speaker 2: more and more difficult as where I think dogs in

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Speaker 2: my experience, tend to get easier as you as they

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Speaker 2: become acclimated and trained and get to know you, and

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Speaker 2: you know, they developed their routines and nowhere to go

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Speaker 2: to the bathroom, and you know, you feed them in

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Speaker 2: a healthy so not that you don't innurture them any less,

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Speaker 2: but it's different, but I would argue that a puppy

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Speaker 2: is almost more difficult than an infant because at least

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Speaker 2: the infant still stays where you set here or she

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Speaker 2: see him right.

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Speaker 3: The newborn phase or the infant phase is hard.

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Speaker 4: I think it's the easiest because, yeah, when she starts

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Speaker 4: moving around and she's crawling and rolling, you get a puppy. Literally,

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Speaker 4: I got Benzo again as a puppy, So I do

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Speaker 4: kind of agree with that part. But obviously parenting is

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Speaker 4: going to be a hundred times more difficult than you know.

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Speaker 4: Raising a kid is difficult, more difficult than raising a puppy.

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Speaker 4: But I'm telling you, like, once you get over that

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Speaker 4: puppy phase, and I'm hoping once they get over this

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Speaker 4: infant phase, I hope it's smooth.

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Speaker 3: Sailing, but I think it'll not be for a while.

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying it's the same, but I am saying

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Speaker 2: I can see it being equally stressful in the early stages.

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Speaker 1: Yes, now you know it is.

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Speaker 2: It's your dog going to stress you out the way

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Speaker 2: that you're sixteen year old is when he or she

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Speaker 2: gets a driver's license.

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Speaker 1: Is your dog? To put a dog through college, nobody.

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Speaker 2: I've read this week that it's like the amount of

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Speaker 2: money people spend on the average dog is like twenty

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Speaker 2: seven thousand dollars in their lifetime to feed it and

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Speaker 2: you know, medical care and everything else.

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Speaker 1: So it's not cheap to raise a dog either.

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Speaker 2: And you know, I'm not at all arguing it's the same,

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Speaker 2: but especially in the early stages. I mean, there's a

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Speaker 2: lot of response. It's a soul, it's a living thing,

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Speaker 2: and you have to keep it alive the same way

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Speaker 2: you have to keep a baby alive. That's true, but

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Speaker 2: there are a lot of variables. So I don't know

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Speaker 2: are the early stages similar. I'm not saying yes, you know,

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Speaker 2: I can't speak to it. I don't know, Kiki, you

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Speaker 2: I mean you have a puppy at least.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I would not compare the compare the two at

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Speaker 5: all because like if you know, if lux run out

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Speaker 5: I'm not you know, I'm not gonna go to jail.

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Speaker 3: But that is like with a kid. You got your

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Speaker 3: baby runs out, Yeah, you gotta find a kid. Like

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Speaker 3: why is it?

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Speaker 2: This what's I'll say? And maybe because I'm an animal lover.

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Speaker 2: But why why not? Why is it any different? Why

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Speaker 2: is Why is it okay to let your dog just

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Speaker 2: run away and not care? It's not any different than

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Speaker 2: it would no, but I'm not saying for you it is.

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Speaker 2: But I mean, like you're right, I can just let

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Speaker 2: my people do it all the time. I work with

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Speaker 2: these dogs all the time. They just say I don't

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Speaker 3: Now, some parents do it, but.

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Speaker 1: Nobody would ever really do that to their human child.

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Speaker 1: Why not? Why should the standard be any different?

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Speaker 2: If you agree to take in a living thing, then

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Speaker 2: you should they all everything. Everyone should be given the

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Speaker 2: best opportunity to thrive. If it's your responsibility. Yeah, I

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Speaker 5: And it is hard raising a puppy and then you

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Speaker 5: do have an emotional connection like my dog.

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Speaker 3: You know, that's my baby.

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Speaker 5: I have to consider him when I make travel plans,

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Speaker 5: I have to consider him when I work. It's just

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Speaker 5: it's not But it's not the same thing as a kid.

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Speaker 5: You're in the trenches. They did in both ways. You're

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Speaker 5: in the trenches. It's a different struggle.

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Speaker 2: Hey Ashley, good morning, good morning. Hi Ashley, you have

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Speaker 2: a puppy, do you have a kid.

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Speaker 1: Though.

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Speaker 6: I don't, so I can only speak to the puppy side.

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Speaker 1: But I do have a.

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Speaker 6: Three month old long hair Chihuahua that we recently adopted,

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Speaker 6: my husband and I, and we thought it would be

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Speaker 6: a lot easier than it is. So she's cute as

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Speaker 6: a button. But it makes us feel like we are

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Speaker 6: bad parents because we just can't train her.

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Speaker 5: We can't get the potty training down.

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Speaker 2: She's up several times for as then, and.

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Speaker 6: I can see why people become stand or depressed because

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Speaker 6: it's just really difficult to handle and it changes your

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean again, I guess you can't compare it because

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Speaker 2: you don't have a kid, and that's where you get

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Speaker 2: in trouble, or that's where this argument gets a little

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Speaker 2: bit nasty, is that when people are like, well, you

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Speaker 2: don't have a kid, you don't know. But I mean,

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Speaker 2: think about the basic tenets of raising any living thing.

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Speaker 2: I mean again, I think the commitment to a human.

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Speaker 2: Raising a human is different, but I mean, why should

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Speaker 2: the standard of care be any different or the stress

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Speaker 2: of trying to provide it. I could see that I

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Speaker 2: know people that don't have kids who have been very

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Speaker 2: their puppy up all night, you know, and there's a

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Speaker 2: communication barrier you know that almost you almost never overcome.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean I'm not saying it's the same thing,

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Speaker 2: but I'm saying it's hard.

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Speaker 1: It is hard, very hard.

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Speaker 3: Two am. You're standing outside in the snow. Dog's not

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Speaker 3: being Yeah, it's the whole thing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Ashley, good luck and thank you. Have a good day.

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Speaker 2: I'm an animal controul. There's a bunch of text an

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Speaker 2: animal control officer. It's illegal to dump your dog and

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Speaker 2: have your dunk dog run loose, okay, but.

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Speaker 1: People do it all the time.

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Speaker 2: For people do not all the time just say okay,

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Speaker 2: my five year old kid, I'm done with this. Here,

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Speaker 2: go ahead, just open the door and let them go.

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Speaker 2: They don't just you know, I mean, it does happen. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: but people don't take a litter of children. And then

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Speaker 2: just as an animal control officer, you know this, they

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Speaker 2: don't just open the door in the field and say

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Speaker 2: People don't do that with humans, not the way they

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Speaker 2: do it with animals.

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Speaker 5: I would say, in both roles are more similar than

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Speaker 5: any of us are comfortable enough to say. I think,

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Speaker 5: like all the things you describe with a puppy, it

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Speaker 5: really is else to having a baby. But I don't

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Speaker 5: have a baby, so I can't say what it's like. However,

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Speaker 5: I knew the puppy life was serious when you and

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Speaker 5: I saw people co parenting their dogs, so like couples

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Speaker 5: would break up and you know, the little little Ralph

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Speaker 5: the week. I thought, I was like, Wow, this is serious.

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Speaker 5: I have a divorce attorney friend who won't do pet custody.

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Speaker 5: Won't do it, won't She just won't do it, Like

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Speaker 5: if the client comes to her and says, hey, we

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Speaker 5: need to figure out what to do with it. Nope,

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Speaker 5: we're not like you choose, like someone picks the dog,

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Speaker 5: someone's getting the dogs, someone's not. But like, I'm not

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Speaker 5: doing this because it typically we've talked about this in

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Speaker 5: other areas, the pet custody thing is sometimes a way

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Speaker 5: for at least one party to continue to have access

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Speaker 5: to the other party. You know, yes, it's about the dog,

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Speaker 5: but I think a lot of times what this person

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Speaker 5: they can't live without the dog, so they can't live

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Speaker 5: without the person who's attached to the dog, and for

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Speaker 5: the next ten years. If they have some joint agreement,

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Speaker 5: then the two were tied together. But see, if Big

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Speaker 5: Tim and I broke up today, we would seriously have

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Speaker 5: to discuss how Lux will be taken care of him now,

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Speaker 5: because I'm not giving up my dog, and I feel

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Speaker 5: like he feels the same way about the dog.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think a lot of people are like,

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Speaker 2: I don't want to be in the middle of that, because, yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's like you just got it.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna have to choose.

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Speaker 3: That's crazy, but it is real.

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Speaker 2: It's totally someone touches it's totally accurate about puppy postpartum.

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Speaker 2: When does the world become so soft? Somebody said a

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Speaker 2: puppy is nowhere near the same as raising a human child.

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Speaker 2: I'm not a mom, but I've seen and met some

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Speaker 2: kick ass moms. That's gen z saying they can't handle

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Speaker 2: a freaking puppy. I don't know, it's hard, there are similarities.

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Speaker 3: You do it so easy.

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Speaker 4: Everybody would have one hundred puppies each because it would

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Speaker 4: just well, we love dogs. It is just so hard

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Speaker 4: to raise them and to care for them and to

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Speaker 4: pain in all of that. It is like a kid

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Speaker 4: in my opinion, in that sense, they're different.

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Speaker 3: I get it. Different, Yeah, a baby, nook, puppy.

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Speaker 2: I think the major issue that the people that the

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Speaker 2: reason that people might disagree with this is because I

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Speaker 2: think people have different attitudes. It's about about how dogs

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Speaker 2: and animals should be treated. And I guess I'm of

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Speaker 2: the I'm of the extreme, and I'm admitting that I'm

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Speaker 2: of the extreme that believes that you should treat your

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Speaker 2: respect and treatment. Now, a lot of people don't think

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Speaker 2: a lot of people see dogs as dogs and humans

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Speaker 2: We probably don't have to get into the conversation of like,

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Speaker 2: what do you choose if you had to choose one,

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Speaker 2: Like that's awful stuff. But like, at the same time,

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Speaker 2: I guess if you take the responsibility of nurturing an

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Speaker 2: a human. While it's different, I can see it being

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Speaker 2: very stressful. Ashley, Hi, Hi, Okay, finally we got puppies.

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Speaker 2: We got a lady with puppies. We got lady with

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Speaker 2: three kids. What say you?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: So I have three boys, so I'm definitely you know,

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Speaker 3: Okay, So I feel like I'm in the.

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Speaker 6: Thick of it. And I've had a dog before, but

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Speaker 6: it's been an adopted dog. I've never been responsible for

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Speaker 6: be my parents, right, So I had postpartum with my boys,

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Speaker 6: and I get it's rough. And what's so interesting I

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Speaker 6: like when I started tuning into you about this topic

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Speaker 6: is I can totally see the similarities with having a puppy.

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Speaker 6: It is different though, like I forget who said it

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Speaker 6: on the show, but like, it doesn't affect your body, right,

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Speaker 6: I didn't actually push out the puppies. There's a lot

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Speaker 6: of a human, like it's so much that can be

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Speaker 6: so much worse. Well, with a puppy, you can put

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Speaker 6: it in account, right.

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Speaker 1: Like, you can't be overstep with a human, right.

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Speaker 6: But it is a lot. You're getting up in the night,

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Speaker 6: you're responsible for a little little being, like it just

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Speaker 6: a little slip. So it's so interesting that that research

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Speaker 6: is coming up because I can totally I can totally

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Speaker 2: So she kind of agrees, all right, a good day,

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Speaker 2: thank you. Yeah, But I mean I've heard people argue

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Speaker 2: make the argument, well, my my my animal kid or

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Speaker 2: my dog kid, or you know what, and it really

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Speaker 2: triggers parents of humans. It really triggers them. But at

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Speaker 2: the same time, think about it, like, you can't not

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Speaker 2: pick up your dog from daycare. That's irresponsible, got pick up.

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Speaker 2: You can't not feed your dog, can't not feed your kid.

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Speaker 2: And I get it. You know, they'll just come a

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Speaker 2: point where what the kids are going to get into

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Speaker 2: at age four, five, six, seven, and ten twenty is,

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Speaker 2: you know, has a larger impact than what the dog

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Speaker 2: might eat or chew or I get it, but like,

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Speaker 2: especially in the early stages, I get it kind of. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: One big thing too is I think every baby and

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Speaker 4: I guess dog two like puppies, they're different like my

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Speaker 4: baby is different than your future baby, like you know

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Speaker 4: what I'm saying, than Rufio's kids, like my baby.

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Speaker 1: I'm actually cloning baby gu currently.

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Speaker 3: I recommend it.

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Speaker 2: I have a surrogate. It's a mix of g and Polly.

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Speaker 2: Oh nice, and we're working on it now. And a

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Speaker 2: dog too. Actually, and my favorite Doug Lily were putting

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Speaker 2: all the tree together.

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Speaker 1: We're just seeing what we get. Oh cool, and I'm

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Speaker 1: super excited.

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Speaker 3: Say more fresh show next right here,