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Speaker 1: Like? How was that that's the balance for you?

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Speaker 4: What I do is I give them a voice. You know,

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Speaker 4: You know, I've seen you plenty of years over on

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Speaker 5: That's so good right there by the way I was

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Speaker 4: These guys don't want to be yelled at in the NBA.

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Speaker 5: I mean, it puts a force accountability on them. Okay,

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