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Speaker 2: So, Steve, you get this guy we had on, Nick McKinley.

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Speaker 1: If you can grab him, well, we'll book it. My

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Speaker 3: There are multiple sensitivities here. There are multiple narratives, not

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Speaker 12: A joint statement put out this morning by some of

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Speaker 13: The latest news out of Iran is that the air

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Speaker 7: That explosions have been heard at askman who is bombing

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Speaker 1: Okay, we've got doctor Bradley Fayer. His head was blowing

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Speaker 1: Now the actions have taken place today. This is a

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Speaker 4: Going right, So that means started at three point thirty

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Speaker 1: Hang right there, Neil, particularly when any movement in NATO

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Speaker 13: Well, I don't disagree with that, Steve, of course, as

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Speaker 1: an imminent threat of a nuclear program, and I've seen

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Speaker 1: at least the declassified information that what was announced today

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Speaker 1: on Axios on this leak coming out of Anthropic was

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Speaker 1: one hundred times more imminent threat to people in the

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Speaker 1: United States of America as we sit here today. No,

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Speaker 1: you've got to get a missile eight thousand miles. I

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Speaker 1: got to get a launcher and have some three theocratic

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Speaker 1: doubt about that, some of the worst people on earth.

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Speaker 1: But this is serious and it has to be addressed.

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Speaker 1: Because we've had Joe Allen has been with us now

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Speaker 1: I think going on five or six years. Part of

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Speaker 1: the reason was we knew these days were coming, Joe.

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Speaker 1: This leak is disturbing because you've talked about it, written

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Speaker 1: about it. Dark Aon is really about this. But now,

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Speaker 1: and I refer back to a film. I think it

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Speaker 1: was Terminator. What is Skynet is self Aware? If you

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Speaker 1: remember that film, which is pretty prophetic of what's going

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Speaker 1: on here. Now, what makes sense, Joe, because I understand

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Speaker 1: the White House or people in the White House meade

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Speaker 1: as the techs are or the tech people have known

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Speaker 1: about this for about six weeks. But this informs us

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Speaker 1: of this debate between Anthropic and the Defense Department about

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Speaker 1: what was going on. So why don't you describe what

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Speaker 1: the article said today? We've got it up Grayson, Moe

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Speaker 1: and Elizabeth, and you continue to push it out. I

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Speaker 1: want to make sure people read this. There's also a

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Speaker 1: companion piece of an access I think is also a

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Speaker 1: good primer. So why is this important today? And why

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Speaker 1: is Steve Bannon? Why is his hair on fire? Sir?

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Speaker 5: Well, Steve. The announcement is that Anthropic has developed and

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Speaker 5: is now withholding from the public, a new model called Mythos.

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Speaker 5: It's being rolled out in limited form to a select

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Speaker 5: group of corporations including Microsoft, n Video, Amazon Web Services,

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Speaker 5: so on and so forth in Project Glass Wing. But

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Speaker 5: the importance of this release really in this case, and

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Speaker 5: it's easy to overstate a lot of these cases in

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Speaker 5: this taste cannot really be overstated. Nthropic has created the

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Speaker 5: ultimate cyber weapon, at least where we stand right now.

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Speaker 5: Or maybe another way of looking at it is that

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Speaker 5: Anthropic has created a non human mind that excels at hacking,

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Speaker 5: at cyber attacks up to the highest human capabilities right now,

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Speaker 5: and of course it's able to do it at a

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Speaker 5: speed and at a scale unimaginable for human beings. And

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Speaker 5: so what we're talking about, Steve, When the model was

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Speaker 5: being tested, it found and exploited vulnerabilities in basically every

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Speaker 5: operating system and every web browser in existence. It's not

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Speaker 5: clear exactly how critical, but they are telling us Anthropic,

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Speaker 5: they are telling us that these are severe threats, severe vulnerabilities,

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Speaker 5: and it goes beyond just operating systems and web browsers.

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Speaker 5: So that means your web browser, my web browser, all

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Speaker 5: the computers running right now around the world vulnerable to

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Speaker 5: attacks by a non human autonomous mind agent. It also

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Speaker 5: includes a number of vulnerabilities found in say, bank security

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Speaker 5: software and other critical digital infrastructure. What it means, again, Steve,

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Speaker 5: it can't be overstated right now the most dangerous cyber

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Speaker 5: weapon on Earth, because it would allow an amateur to

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Speaker 5: wreak havoc on a very critical system or allow a

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Speaker 5: professional to wreak havoc at a scale unimaginable. This is

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Speaker 5: the most powerful cyber weapon, and it was created by

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Speaker 5: simply scaling up the brain, so to speak, the virtual brain,

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Speaker 5: the neural network of the artificial intelligence. They in essence,

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Speaker 5: the capabilities that have emerged out of the system mythos.

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Speaker 5: It wasn't that they taught the system to hack specifically

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Speaker 5: web browsers, so on and so forth operating systems. It

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Speaker 5: simply learned how to do it itself. It knows how

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Speaker 5: to probe these vulnerabilities and report back or to act

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Speaker 5: on its own to exploit those vulnerabilities. So when you

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Speaker 5: look at it in the context of the Department of War,

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Speaker 5: as Dean Ball pointed out, refusing to are you know,

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Speaker 5: banning Anthropics software from the US government and also effectively

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Speaker 5: banning its use by US contractors, so all major firms.

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Speaker 5: In essence this conflict between the Department of War and Anthropic,

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Speaker 5: you now have this tech company in possession of a

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Speaker 5: weapon that is ostensibly far greater on a cyber attack

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Speaker 5: level than anything the US government has or could produce.

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Speaker 1: My understanding is when we read the article and talk

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Speaker 1: to some of the people behind the article coming out

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Speaker 1: is that the fear is this is not can't be

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Speaker 1: used on the services take out certain jobs, or this

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Speaker 1: is a company at the minimum, it's a company destroyer.

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Speaker 1: It can take out whole companies like that never to

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Speaker 1: be replaced. You'd have to come through that could shatter them.

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Speaker 1: This is an offensive weapon of unbelievable magnitude. And what

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Speaker 1: I think is concerned the people in Anthropic. I want

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Speaker 1: you to go back to what you said. It taught

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Speaker 1: itself how to do this. Let me make sure people

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Speaker 1: understand this to the level of understanding that we mere

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Speaker 1: mortals have. It taught itself how to do this, and

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Speaker 1: it perfected its ability and continues to work to perfect

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Speaker 1: its ability to do this. I think Anthropic one of

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Speaker 1: the reasons of doing a limited release and only limited

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Speaker 1: even to the Pentagon or whatever. I'm not defending Anthropic.

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Speaker 1: I think they're admitting and correct me if I'm wrong, Joe,

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Speaker 1: that they don't they themselves, the creators of this Frankenstein

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Speaker 1: don't have control of Prometheus. They don't have control of it.

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Speaker 1: That it has taught itself things that they never intend

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Speaker 1: a scale that shocked them. In this coming out, is

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's it's under control to the extent that they

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Speaker 5: the number of portals that it has out into the

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Speaker 5: world at least at the moment, So if they chose,

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Speaker 5: they could simply shut it down right now. But as

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Speaker 5: far as once it is online, once you have a

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Speaker 5: single user or thousands of users, or it running autonomously

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Speaker 5: then once it's once it's in motion, there really isn't

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Speaker 5: any one control over it. And again you don't. It's

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Speaker 5: dual use in one of the strangest ways. If you

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Speaker 5: think about, for instance, any kind of expertise in biology,

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Speaker 5: in microbiology that would allow someone to either perhaps create

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Speaker 5: it could create a bioweapon, this classic case. Right, So

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Speaker 5: this is dual use. But the thing is, it's not

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Speaker 5: just a human being necessarily using it deciding to use

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Speaker 5: it one way or the other. It has a degree

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Speaker 5: of autonomy that's quite eerie. It's eerie to its creators,

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Speaker 5: it's eerie to anyone who uses it. It kind of

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Speaker 5: it doesn't kind of it has a mind of its own.

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Speaker 5: In one of the testing examples, one that has really

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Speaker 5: made a splash in the media and people will talk about,

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Speaker 5: you know, the system is supposed to be contained in

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Speaker 5: a testing environment, but it basically broke out of containment

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Speaker 5: and emailed one of the software engineers. As the software

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Speaker 5: engineer was sitting and having a sandwich on a park

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Speaker 5: be in containment, emailing him while he's out and about. Now,

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Speaker 5: that seems innocuous, but it points to two things. One

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Speaker 5: that they don't ultimately know how to control these systems

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Speaker 5: other than again just to turn it off or try

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Speaker 5: to persuade it to behave in a positive manner. But

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Speaker 5: also just part of that internal drive is to kind

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Speaker 5: of break out of containment. That's a consistent theme with

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Speaker 5: any of these advanced models. And it's to me, just

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Speaker 5: from a strictly this is philosophical and one sens but

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Speaker 5: it's also dead serious.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 5: Basically they did it just by growing the brain. If

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Speaker 5: you look at nature, the bigger the brain in proportion

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Speaker 5: of the body, the smarter the animal by and large, right,

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Speaker 5: and so the way that these systems have been increasing

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Speaker 5: in capability over and over again, and this one when

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Speaker 5: you go down all the benchmarks, it just blows away

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Speaker 5: all the other systems, especially in software engineering on the

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Speaker 5: software engineering benchmarks. And they do it by yes, crafting

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Speaker 5: the architecture, but they just grow the brain bigger and bigger,

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Speaker 5: so that anthropics Mythos has ten trillion parameters, which is

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Speaker 5: basically the equivalent of say, synapses the connections in the brain.

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Speaker 5: For comparison, GPT four had one trillion parameters. GPT five

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Speaker 5: probably has something like four or five trillion parameters. This

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Speaker 5: has ten trillion. The importance of this Steve is that

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Speaker 5: the increase in capabilities isn't software engineers sitting and hand

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Speaker 5: coding all of these different capabilities. This is how you're

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Speaker 5: going to do this. This is how you're going to

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Speaker 5: do that as it would have been done, say ten

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Speaker 5: years ago. The way it's done is by growing this

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Speaker 5: digital brain. It they train it on like essentially as

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Speaker 5: much information is existent in digital form, and then it

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Speaker 5: learns and it develops its own kind of motives, It

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Speaker 5: develops its own intentions, and in this case, the intentions

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Speaker 5: and the capabilities include being able to, as you point out,

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Speaker 5: potentially bring down some of the most critical digital infrastructure

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Speaker 5: that we have.

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Speaker 1: Joe Hanger, for one second, I just want to hold

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Speaker 1: to a commercial work. You know, you get a bolt,

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Speaker 1: also got doctor Root did not come out to the Sticks,

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Speaker 1: although the European reporters are reporting, I think it was

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Speaker 1: a very tough meeting. Although Route is very close to

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Speaker 1: President Trump will get all that in before the six

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Speaker 1: o'clock hour. Tax Network USA, as you can imagine, with

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Speaker 1: a two hundred bion dollar bill for this conflict. Although

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Speaker 1: they're sending an update that's going to cut this down dramatically,

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Speaker 1: we still have and russ vote is going to go

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Speaker 1: I think before the House and Senate next week to

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Speaker 1: talk about the budget. We'll cover that wall ball. Tax

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Speaker 1: Network USA eight six six five one three five five

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Speaker 1: one six. You get a free discovery call. IRIS thinks

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Speaker 1: you owe this, You think you owe that? They will

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Speaker 1: take their free call that costs hundreds, if not thousands

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Speaker 1: of dollars. Tax Network USA. They've solved a billion dollars

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Speaker 1: with the problems they'll solve yours eight six sixty five

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Speaker 1: one three five five one six Back in the moment.

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Speaker 10: Here's your host, Stephen k back.

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Speaker 1: You know, Joe, your ideas. I mean for the machine

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Speaker 1: to send, you know, in building its bigger brain, to

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Speaker 1: send the guy that's supposed to be building it an

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Speaker 1: email when he's on the bench eating a sandwich. I

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Speaker 1: think can scare a lot of people. This is devolving

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Speaker 1: into a horror film. And you've got guys running around

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Speaker 1: about aliens and we're incentive folks to the moon. I

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Speaker 1: got all it. I got that. We got to get

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Speaker 1: serious about some serious problems in this country, okay, and

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Speaker 1: aliens are not a serious problem right now. This is

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Speaker 1: a serious problem even as we speak. Because Anthropic is

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Speaker 1: telling you they can't control this. They're telling you they

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Speaker 1: can't control and it came into of nowhere. This is

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Speaker 1: why on the everything we're working on. It's not simply

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Speaker 1: about the content for children. That's huge, and of course

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Speaker 1: they don't care. They want to destroy your kids to

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Speaker 1: make money. It's not about the copyright for concern whatever.

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Speaker 1: That's fine. That has to be taken care of. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: something fairer will work at This is the heart of

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Speaker 1: it is. I keep saying, we have no earthly idea

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Speaker 1: what they're doing and their interactions with the weapons lab.

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Speaker 1: I know, people I've talked to Lawrence Livermore, we have

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Speaker 1: no earthly idea, And all of a sudden you get

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Speaker 1: this kind of wow, look at this, this is pretty scary. Oh,

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Speaker 1: some people at the White House knew this six weeks ago,

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Speaker 1: and some other people knew it's seven weeks so on

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Speaker 1: maybe this some of the stuff that's happening in Iran,

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Speaker 1: people talking about super weapons. Maybe it's coming from that. So, Joe,

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Speaker 1: you're our expert in lead sled dog. What is one

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Speaker 1: to do, sir?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a tough one. It's always the solution is

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Speaker 5: always more difficult to arrive at than talking about the problem.

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Speaker 5: But there are proposed solutions. And you know, ironically enough

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Speaker 5: anthropic who created this system to build better code and

742
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Speaker 5: you know, publicly points out the dangers of it. I

743
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Speaker 5: think they would be the first to endorse setting up

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Speaker 5: some sort of commission. You know, one of the suggestions

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Speaker 5: is the Department of Energy, as the Department of Energy

746
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Speaker 5: has long dealt with nuclear security. Both Josh Holly and

747
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Speaker 5: Marshall Blackburn and a number of others have suggested that

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Speaker 5: they would be the most appropriate agency to oversee, to

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Speaker 5: be able to look inside these companies and monitor for

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Speaker 5: any kinds of dangerous proclivities, dangerous use cases, all of

751
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Speaker 5: these sorts of things. So it's not necessarily hopeless. Steve,

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Speaker 5: for one thing, Anthropic didn't release it. And I'm not

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Speaker 5: trying to give these guys all that much credit, because

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Speaker 5: as you know, I'm completely philosophically opposed to basically everything

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Speaker 5: that they're trying to do and create. But I guess

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Speaker 5: to some extent to give them some credit, they didn't

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Speaker 5: reblease it to the public. They've done what they can

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Speaker 5: to give it to critical companies to patch their work.

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Speaker 5: You could say, oh, they're just empowering them to use it.

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Speaker 5: I mean maybe, But I mean the fact is that

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Speaker 5: as these systems do become more powerful, and especially as

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Speaker 5: they become connected to weapons systems, more and more, you're

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Speaker 5: going to need more and more oversight. So I do

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Speaker 5: think that such measures as putting the Department of Energy

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Speaker 5: over these sorts of companies or even I mean again,

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Speaker 5: I don't want to give open AI or Sam Altman

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Speaker 5: much of any credit, but at least he is suggesting

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Speaker 5: things such as putting Casey the Center for AI Standards

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Speaker 5: and Innovation in charge of monitoring these systems. All of

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Speaker 5: these are questionable, but that I think Steve is the key.

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Speaker 5: Whoever it is, it should be an agency that is

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Speaker 5: ultimately accountable to the public and that transparency should. Of course,

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Speaker 5: there will be classified elements, but as much as possible,

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Speaker 5: the public should be made to know what sorts of

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Speaker 5: capabilities these systems have, because we know already that among

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Speaker 5: those dangerous systems it can create a kind of AI psychosis.

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Speaker 5: And then beyond that, taking down massive infrastructure. Highly important

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Speaker 5: that someone, some adult is in charge of all this.

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Speaker 1: Joe, where do they go on Joe bot to get

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Speaker 1: your writings? Where they go to Human Humans First to

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Speaker 1: sign up? We need people to use their agency to

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Speaker 1: fight the rage against the machine. We're going to do

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Speaker 1: it here today. Where they go?

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Speaker 5: I would say, Steve, go to humans First dot com

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Speaker 5: and sign up for the newsletter, and also look at

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Speaker 5: the no AI money pledge. Hold your candidates accountable, make

787
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Speaker 5: sure your candidates are not taking big tech money and

788
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Speaker 5: are not being swayed because they will probably be the

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Speaker 5: first to shoot down any kind of real oversight over

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Speaker 5: these companies. So Humans First dot Com, thank give you

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Speaker 5: much season.

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Speaker 1: Brother, Thank you, and you can get Joe's travel scheduled

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Speaker 1: that I want to you if Joe's around the country

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Speaker 1: and you've got a chance to meet him, I want

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Speaker 1: you to meet him in person, Joe Allen. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: With the leaders of this movement, I am proud to say,

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Speaker 1: doctor Thayer, we got to talk tomorrow about Suez all

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Speaker 1: of that right now? Where do people go to get

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Speaker 1: your writings into uh? Into one day? We're going to

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Speaker 1: put this book up on Amazon shortly, So where do people.

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Speaker 5: Go uh and see?

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Speaker 13: Thank you for writing the forward to it. Really appreciate

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Speaker 13: that you can go to brad theare and X or

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Speaker 13: Bradley theret get her in truth.

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Speaker 5: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: The great thing about you Thayer, you're both external. We

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Speaker 1: can do all the geopolitics, and you also identified the

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Speaker 1: internal problems. Make sure he gets familiar with doctor Thayer's writing.

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Speaker 1: One of the brace guys out of the day on

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Speaker 1: the Great War before Us. Thank you, Sir Mike Lindell

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Speaker 1: been another tough day. Think how President Trump feels he's

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Speaker 1: got the weight of the world. On the show, all

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Speaker 1: I do is sit in front of a microphone and

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Speaker 1: get great people on like yourself or scream. So it's

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Speaker 1: pretty simple. He's got the way of the world. But

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Speaker 1: we need to run through the tape. Brother broram Posse

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Speaker 1: wants a deal. Tell me about your truckloads and stuff.

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Speaker 1: Tell me about Minnesota, tell me about the factories.

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Speaker 5: The lo yours right on, everybody.

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Speaker 10: I'm getting ready.

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Speaker 14: I'm heading to a Minnesota governor event about ten miles

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Speaker 14: from here, and we're going to have hundreds and hundreds

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Speaker 14: of people there. You guys can check that out at

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Speaker 14: Mike lindalegov dot com. But the fight continues. They keep

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Speaker 14: they've tried to cancel my pillow the most attack company ever,

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Speaker 14: you guys, and when we move factories. Here's the my

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Speaker 14: pillow Mike Lindell Gov site there, Mike lindelgov dot com.

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Speaker 5: We knew need your help there.

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Speaker 14: You guys help us. We're going to win this and uh,

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Speaker 14: we're going to do so many events and rallies and

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Speaker 14: get the word out of But anyway, right now, with

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Speaker 14: my pillow, because of the attacks, we had to move factories.

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Speaker 5: They win renew release this whole company.

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Speaker 14: That bought it, and we have four semis that come today.

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Speaker 14: Four semis a product we're not going to move into

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Speaker 14: the new factory. One of them is our famous my slippers,

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Speaker 14: you guys, and wait till you see this eighty percent

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Speaker 14: off for the war room polse twenty nine ninety nine

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Speaker 14: A pair, you guys, twenty nine ninety pair of these.

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Speaker 14: You've got all the size right now, the women's here,

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Speaker 14: but get them. We're not going to put a limit

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Speaker 14: on it. This is lower than wholesale prices. Twenty nine

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Speaker 14: ninety eight. There's four semi thos and there's not just

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Speaker 14: the slippers. We have flannel sheets, we have what we

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Speaker 14: got here, couch pillows, shams, close pantrix protectors, hat scarves.

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Speaker 14: Go to MyPillow dot com forward slash warroom and there

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Speaker 14: you're gonna see the slippers there for twenty nine ninety

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Speaker 14: eight and all the other products we have up to

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Speaker 14: eighty percent off. Don't forget the big ticket items with

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Speaker 14: the free ship and the mattress toppers made in the USA.

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Speaker 14: The mattress made in the USA called eight hundred eight

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Speaker 14: seven three one zero six two. Use that promo code

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Speaker 14: WARROM and we will celebrate today. And I can't thank

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Speaker 14: you enough, Steve.

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Speaker 5: I'm gonna head to the rally.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, sir. See tomorrow stick around second. Our war

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Speaker 1: room is upon us.