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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to STEF.

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Speaker 1: I've never told you protection of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: And today, y'all, we are so excited to have an

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Speaker 2: amazing guest fellow podcaster, journalist, speaker, business leader, and a

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Speaker 2: fierce advocate for strategic social impact and leader in ESG

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Speaker 2: or environment social governance. And of course there are so

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Speaker 2: many other titles and accolades we should be filing under

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Speaker 2: her name, and of course guest appearance, but I think

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Speaker 2: that would take the entirety of this episode. So I'm

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Speaker 2: going to come back and we're going to welcome the

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Speaker 2: amazing Joan Michaelson.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you, guys. I'm thrilled to be here. I

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Speaker 3: love stuff. Mom never told you. I have to think

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Speaker 3: about that for a while. Stuff. Yeah, there's a lot

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Speaker 2: For you, that's consensus I think in general. Can you

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I can do that. First, I want to say

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Speaker 3: Happy Gallantine's Day. Yeah, yeah, here we are. Yeah. I

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Speaker 3: want to celebrate yeah absolutely really yeah, FABS. So I

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Speaker 3: will introduce me, but first I want to really acknowledge

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Speaker 3: you guys, because I love the range of stuff that

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Speaker 3: you cover. You really the combination of the intersectionality part

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Speaker 3: I mean, bringing pop culture and science and cool women

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Speaker 3: can't see me, they can't see me applauding and bowing.

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Speaker 3: But I am I am ran you, so first I

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Speaker 3: going to do that. Yeah, thanks for having me. I

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Speaker 3: do a range of things. I do career consulting, I

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Speaker 3: do ESG consulting. Thank you Samantha for defining it, and

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Speaker 3: we're going to talk more about what that is exactly.

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Speaker 3: It's basically the intersection of climate action and social justice

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Speaker 3: and we can dive more into that. I spent many

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Speaker 3: Ladies Podcast, which sounds very akin to stuff Mom never

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Speaker 3: told you. I have over four hundred episodes. I've interviewed

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Speaker 3: extraordinary women changing the world in some way, that has

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Speaker 3: to do. It's save me the planet. And I speak

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Speaker 2: Well, we are so excited to have you. And yes,

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Speaker 2: to find you was we were talking about glaciologists and

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Speaker 2: or feminists around the world, and your podcast came up

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Speaker 2: her on. The things that she's doing is not something

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Speaker 2: that we often talk about, which is incorporating climate justice

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Speaker 2: like in our lane essentially, and we had to have

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Speaker 2: we got this, and we got this. But you have

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Speaker 2: done some amazing, amazing works and obviously you've got like

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Speaker 2: you the credit that you absolutely deserve. So I'm done

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Speaker 2: fan growing, I promise. So we are so excited to

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Speaker 3: Thank you. I'm coming from you guys. That means a ton. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's a great thing to be able to cover like

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Speaker 1: So I just love that there's a space, there's a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I just want to add something to that, Annie,

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Speaker 4: Yes, Yes, that's so cool.

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Speaker 1: And those are the amazing stories and interviews that we

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Speaker 1: So it's really important to showcase those kinds of things

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Speaker 1: I didn't know what that meant. So do you mind

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Speaker 3: No, it's my pleasure, and you know what you just

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Speaker 3: said is the reason I started Electric Ladies podcast. It

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Speaker 1: about some maybe instances of women who really stood out

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Speaker 1: to you, who are pioneers who are leaders who have

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Speaker 1: influenced you.

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Speaker 3: Oh wow, Okay, how much time do you have? So

436
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:09,359
Speaker 3: there are I mean, frankly, and I'm not being coy,

437
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 3: but really, every single one of my guests inspires me

438
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Speaker 3: and somewhat intimidates me. I mean, and I interviewed doctor

439
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Speaker 3: Vanessa Chan who I just adore. She's the Chief Commercialization

440
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Speaker 3: Officer of the Department of Energy. She's the one who's

441
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Speaker 3: helping dole out all this money right on the energy side.

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Speaker 3: She's extraordinary, and she was at Mackenzie. She's been an entrepreneur. Okay,

443
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Speaker 3: you guys love pop Bulcher. She actually sold products successfully

444
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Speaker 3: on QVC and something that has nothing to do with

445
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Speaker 3: energy whatsoever. I mean, this woman is like unbelievable. She's

446
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Speaker 3: like mit the energy department in QBC, I mean, like really.

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Speaker 4: In QVC.

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Speaker 3: And she's a mom of two girls. I'm most like,

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Speaker 3: good grief, Like, did you find more than twenty four

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Speaker 3: hours in a day? What does just happened? So? And

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Speaker 3: she's lovely, she's very you know, approachable and conversational and

452
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Speaker 3: funny and dedicated. I mean, it's really really interesting. And

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Speaker 3: then there's people like Rosemary Atieno who was in Kenya,

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Speaker 3: who is helping her people. The women in Kenya solve

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Speaker 3: everyday challenges in a way that also addresses climate change.

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Speaker 3: Let me give you an example. So she told me

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Speaker 3: a story. She has a group called Women Climate Centers

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Speaker 3: International and another related group. And she told me the

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Speaker 3: story of a woman coming to her and telling her

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Speaker 3: that the village was having an epidemic of cholera. So

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Speaker 3: Rosemary helped this woman, went to the village, checked everything out.

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Speaker 3: Helped this woman get a whole new water system for

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Speaker 3: their community. And she got money from different sources. You'd

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Speaker 3: have to listen to it to find out exactly where.

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Speaker 3: And help this community get clean water, get money from

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Speaker 3: sources they didn't know, get the economic development that came

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Speaker 3: with it, get the education on how to solve a problem,

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Speaker 3: and resources for improving their education. The kids could be healthy.

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Speaker 3: Everybody could be got healthy. They eradicated call around the community.

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Speaker 3: They got the kids in education, so the kids had

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Speaker 3: the could have the time now because and the women

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Speaker 3: aren't having to go chase water, which and if you

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Speaker 3: ever been to Africa, they chased water. I mean literally

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Speaker 3: I have pictures I can't see, but I have a

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Speaker 3: wall in my living room pictures from Africa and they

476
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Speaker 3: literally carry the water, so they didn't have to do

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Speaker 3: that anymore. And so it was like an unbelievable win

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Speaker 3: win win, win win. And her motivation was addressing the

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Speaker 3: climate challenge while helping this woman solve her immediate problem.

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Speaker 3: I mean, how much more inspiring can you possibly get?

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Speaker 3: So I feel privileged to have the opportunity to talk

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Speaker 3: to these weathers, right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's so many amazing people doing amazing work. And

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Speaker 1: I find a lot of times when we do our

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Speaker 1: episodes on feminists around the World are on another segment

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Speaker 1: we have called Female First. It always ends with wanting

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Speaker 1: to leave a better future. It almost always ends with

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Speaker 1: somebody a woman and women being more impacted by whatever issue,

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Speaker 1: who not only takes this initiative to listen to people

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Speaker 1: in the community and fix the problem and work together

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Speaker 1: with people to fix the problem, but also there's such

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Speaker 1: a big like in their minds, I want this future

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Speaker 1: even after I'm gone for other people, and that's just so.

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Speaker 4: Amazing and inspirational.

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Speaker 3: Totally. I want to give you one other quick story,

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Speaker 3: and of course, I mean, you know, I've interviewed over

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Speaker 3: four hundred women on my show. I mean, I don't

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Speaker 3: match you guys with only twenty six hundred or something wild,

499
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Speaker 3: But I'm at forty four hundred and something, so I'm

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Speaker 3: pretty good. But one of the women I interviewed is

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Speaker 3: the former Finance Minister of Ukraine who also went on

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Speaker 3: to help Puerto Rico rebuild after Hurricane Maria. And in

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Speaker 3: the course of our conversation, she said to me two things.

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Speaker 3: One is, she said she felt like when the war

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Speaker 3: broke out that you know what am I doing in

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Speaker 3: Puerto Rico? I need to get back to Ukraine. And

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Speaker 3: she said, then I realized that the work I'm doing

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Speaker 3: where I am can help Ukraine rebuild, and that the

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Speaker 3: voice that I have now and on the outside can

510
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Speaker 3: help Ukraine get the resources that they need. So no

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Speaker 3: matter where you sit right now, what kind of work

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Speaker 3: you do, I don't care if you have a company

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Speaker 3: that makes cups or shirts. There's a ton I cover

514
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Speaker 3: on sustainable fashion, for example, you can find a way

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Speaker 3: to do it in a way that reduces the carbon footprint.

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Speaker 3: She also said to me that this concept these ESG

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Speaker 3: reports can actually help reveal creepy money because they require disclosure.

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Speaker 3: So that's the other thing is that you want to

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Speaker 3: support these reporting mechanisms because they're going to help disclose

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00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 3: information about some of these companies that you want to know.

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Speaker 3: See the other place where we have power. Okay, we

522
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 3: can spend our money with organizations and with companies that

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Speaker 3: do what that share our values. If they don't support lgdpqright,

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Speaker 3: if they don't support reproductive rights, they don't support democracy,

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Speaker 3: or they're trying to thwart it in some way, or

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Speaker 3: they don't support whatever. You don't you know, whatever you support,

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Speaker 3: if they're against it, use your money to go put

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Speaker 3: it with somebody else. You're right, right, I have no

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Speaker 3: passion for this whatsoever. Well, I can go on.

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Speaker 2: You're very passionate with your work, but also you are

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Speaker 2: very skilled in your work in all of this, and

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Speaker 2: it's such a route your your career is such a

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Speaker 2: route that I would have never thought of again because

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Speaker 2: my mind was, if I want to be a service,

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Speaker 2: I have to be sad and poor, which is really

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Speaker 2: sad mentality. But you've done such amazing work and your

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Speaker 2: career path has been amazing. How did you get in

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Speaker 2: your line of work?

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Speaker 3: Oh, dear Samantha, I followed the breadcrumbs. My sweet friend. Well,

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Speaker 3: in case you haven't figured it out, I'm a born

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Speaker 3: and bred in New York City girl and my dad.

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Speaker 3: I joke that I've been doing this since pre birth

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Speaker 3: because my dad had an ad agency when I was

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Speaker 3: a kid in New York City and I'm the youngest

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Speaker 3: of four, and he would literally pull copy out of

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Speaker 3: the typewriter, yes it was a typewriter, and say it

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Speaker 3: handed to the closest warm body and say, read this

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Speaker 3: out loud to me. So I'm convinced that the first

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Speaker 3: thing I read out loud was probably my father's copy.

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Speaker 3: So I've been and he was brilliant and creative and fascinating.

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Speaker 3: And they were also political activists in a way. They

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Speaker 3: used to have political fundraisers, including for women candidates. By

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Speaker 3: the way they would have thought, we would talk about

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Speaker 3: current events and those kinds of things, very very worldly

555
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Speaker 3: orient and of course in New York City, you kind

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Speaker 3: of can't get away from it, right, I mean, it's

557
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Speaker 3: by nature, right. The other thing is I followed opportunity,

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Speaker 3: so I started my career. I've gone back and forth

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Speaker 3: between corporate communications and journalism, and I think one of

560
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Speaker 3: the lessons for.

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Speaker 2: Me is.

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Speaker 3: Ask, ask, ask, ask, ask, ask. If there's an opportunity

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Speaker 3: you're interested in, I don't care if you only fit

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Speaker 3: fifty percent of the criteria. I don't care if you

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00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:31,239
Speaker 3: only fit. You know they want a PhD and you

566
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Speaker 3: don't have one, Write them and tell them you're willing

567
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Speaker 3: to get a PhD. Okay, in your cover letter or whatever,

568
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 3: say go for what you want. I'll give you a

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Speaker 3: great example. I have a coaching client who interviewed with

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Speaker 3: job A, and they said, you're not appropriate for job A,

571
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Speaker 3: but we want to interview you for job B. They

572
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Speaker 3: wouldn't they wouldn't have known about her for job B

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Speaker 3: if she didn't apply for job A. Right, So I

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Speaker 3: saw it opportunities and I, I mean, I got my

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Speaker 3: first job, or not my first, but one of my

576
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Speaker 3: first jobs in journalism by reaching out to Diane Sawyer

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Speaker 3: and saying I want to be you. What should I do?

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Speaker 3: I mean, literally.

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Speaker 2: Cold, that's amazing, she respond respond.

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Speaker 3: She responded, I did some freelance work with her in

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Speaker 3: New York. She's lovely, She's fascinating and totally authentic, really

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Speaker 3: interesting woman, and so you have to just And then

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Speaker 3: when I was I was at sixteen minutes and I

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Speaker 3: was at sixty. And then I got another kind of

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Speaker 3: corporate opportunity that was fascinating, which ended up putting me

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Speaker 3: in the at the LA Believe it or not, La

587
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Speaker 3: Mass Transit system, helping to expand that, and which gave

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Speaker 3: me a whole other set of experience. And here I

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Speaker 3: am back in a kind of you know, an intersection

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Speaker 3: with transportation in the green economy. I mean, who knew, right?

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Speaker 3: And then I go to work for crist I mean

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Speaker 3: it's like you never know how these fit together until later,

593
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 3: and you take pieces from each of it that you learn.

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00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 3: You don't learn less. Whatever you learn in job A

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Speaker 3: or in entrepreneurship B, or from what I call MANI

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00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 3: mentoring moments where you just ask somebody to say, you know,

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Speaker 3: I'm dealing with this. Can I get your advice on this?

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Speaker 3: Then your you take that in and you never know

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Speaker 3: what impact it's going to have on you. I mentioned

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Speaker 3: before we were went on air about this fascinating woman

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Speaker 3: that I interviewed, who's a She calls yourself a glaciologist,

602
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Speaker 3: and I joked with her, I thought that was frozen

603
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Speaker 3: dead people, but it's actually Glaciers, The Study of Glaciers.

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Speaker 3: Twila Moon, doctor Twila Moon, what a great name. I

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Speaker 3: love her, and she says something really interesting. I asked

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Speaker 3: for career advice in every episode, and she said, reconsider

607
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Speaker 3: your goals all the time, because you might have grown

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Speaker 3: out of your goal. You might be able to do

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Speaker 3: something else now that is more interesting and more ken

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Speaker 3: and more aligned with who you are now and what

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Speaker 3: you know now and who you know now. In other words,

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Speaker 3: don't let oh. I always wanted to be an ex

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Speaker 3: you know, I always wanted to be a doctor. I

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Speaker 3: always wanted to be a lawyer. He's want to be

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Speaker 3: a social worker. I always want to be an actress.

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Speaker 3: I always wanted to be a whatever journalist. Hold you

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Speaker 3: back from letting a job fall on your left. I

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Speaker 3: mean my job at christ which got me into this

619
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Speaker 3: economy was a complete and total believe in fluke. I

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Speaker 3: mean literally, I was at a lunch meeting talking to people.

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Speaker 3: I didn't know who I was talking to, I mean,

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Speaker 3: what roles they were or whatever. We go around the

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Speaker 3: table and I found out the guy I'm talking to

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Speaker 3: is the president of the division. The next morning he

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Speaker 3: calls me and says, are you happy and starts recruiting me.

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Speaker 3: So you never know who you're talking to.

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Speaker 2: I guess that's the benefits of being an extrovert right here.

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Speaker 3: Well, you have to hate, okay, you have to be

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Speaker 3: careful what you say. I mean, you can't. I mean, seriously,

630
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Speaker 3: you can't. You can't bad mouth people too, of course, right,

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Speaker 3: So I mean, I'm just going to say that because

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Speaker 3: we're among friends, right, it's the Gallantine's Day Show. Yes,

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Speaker 3: So I would just say the to answer, is there

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00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:17,919
Speaker 3: a long winded answer your question, Samantha, But I would

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Speaker 3: say the short answer is seek opportunities, ask for opportunities,

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Speaker 3: and be who you are, and embrace who you are

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Speaker 3: and what you love to do, and be willing to learn.

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Speaker 3: Curiosity is a key criteria right now. The chief diversity

639
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Speaker 3: Officer of General Motors, Telba Magruder, who's magical. She's now

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Speaker 3: back heading up manufacturing. She's been there for twenty nine

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Speaker 3: years or something. She's extraordinary. She's also headed on the

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Speaker 3: board of the Girl Scouts. By the way, she said,

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Speaker 3: some of the key factors they look like it for

644
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:55,279
Speaker 3: in talent are adaptability and curiosity because people have to

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Speaker 3: learn all the time. You're never staying static, So keep learning.

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Speaker 3: I don't care how old you are. I don't care

647
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 3: how young you are. I don't care where you live,

648
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:06,839
Speaker 3: what you do, what your skill set is. Forget about it,

649
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 3: as they say in my hometown, and just be curious

650
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 3: and keep learning.

651
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:14,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know that fit isn't perfectly with your career path.

652
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:16,880
Speaker 2: It really does. I was like, okay, yeah, I see this.

653
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 2: The theme of your career is in those statements in itself.

654
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 2: I love that.

655
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, and making a difference. You know, I always wanted

656
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:28,280
Speaker 3: to use what I was doing to make a difference.

657
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 3: And I'm you know, and I collect people. I mean,

658
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 3: I've had you know, I have wonderful people in my

659
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 3: world and it's really it's a privilege. And now I

660
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:36,960
Speaker 3: get to add you guys.

661
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:39,440
Speaker 2: That's one of my favorite parts of podcasting is getting

662
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 2: new friends.

663
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:44,799
Speaker 4: That's truely, absolutely true, whether you want it or not.

664
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Speaker 3: And I mean, I'll add to that. And I'm biased

665
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:52,799
Speaker 3: because I do it. But but you know, coaching or

666
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:56,440
Speaker 3: mastermind groups or outside information is really helpful. You need

667
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 3: to have a support group. And I don't you know,

668
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 3: it can be formal, can be informal, but you know,

669
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:04,879
Speaker 3: we're joking before that. You know, when you feel bad,

670
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 3: you'll you'll ping me to get a cheer up. We

671
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 3: need that, right, We need to support each other and

672
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 3: you need to get You also need people who are

673
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 3: going to tell you stuff that you might not want

674
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 3: to hear. But art is helpful, you know, the proverbial

675
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:22,400
Speaker 3: spinach in your teeth or whatever.

676
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:28,400
Speaker 4: Right, exactly, Yeah, you know you're got to.

677
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:32,760
Speaker 3: I mean goes everything from dating to you know, food,

678
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:37,319
Speaker 3: you know, saying something stupid to your boss. I mean,

679
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 3: you know, believe.

680
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:40,359
Speaker 4: Me, I've done it me too.

681
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 1: So uh, you're you're speaking about kind of collecting these friends,

682
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:54,360
Speaker 1: interviewing these amazing women. Why do you think it's important

683
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 1: for women to be part of leadership in this corporate world?

684
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 3: Oh my, how much time do you have, miss any? Yeah?

685
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:08,399
Speaker 3: Because I think it's important for women to be part

686
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 3: of leadership because we bring a different set of perspectives, experiences, values,

687
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:20,799
Speaker 3: and lenses to every challenge. And I'll give you a

688
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 3: couple of examples. There's a classic business story of General

689
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 3: Motors many years ago, launching the a car called Nova

690
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 3: in Mexico Latin America. Well, Nova means doesn't go don't

691
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 3: go in Spanish. Why would you launch a car it's

692
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 3: called basically doesn't move in a country with the name.

693
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:52,840
Speaker 3: I mean, like it doesn't make any sense, right, So

694
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 3: you need to have and all these companies want to

695
00:42:55,239 --> 00:43:00,080
Speaker 3: sell products to women. I mean for years, CpG and

696
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 3: super product companies didn't have women on their boards or

697
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:07,319
Speaker 3: and their measurement team. And it's like, dude, you don't

698
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:10,359
Speaker 3: understand your market and don't tell me you do. And

699
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:12,320
Speaker 3: if somebody says to you, are I know my market?

700
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 3: I don't need research, run the other direction because you

701
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 3: know data matters, right. So I think women bring values.

702
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:27,360
Speaker 3: We bring curiosity, We bring collaboration, We bring the ability

703
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:31,239
Speaker 3: to support each other. We we you know, don't punch

704
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 3: me in the notes for saying this, men, but we

705
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:36,799
Speaker 3: teach you how to collaborate because the men are kind

706
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 3: of conditioned to be solow you know, the hunting and

707
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 3: the you know, the hunting and the gathering, and they

708
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:47,280
Speaker 3: don't need to be if they don't have to be alone,

709
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 3: they can be supported and we can bring We bring

710
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:56,280
Speaker 3: a supportive collaborative environment. We want everybody's ideas. We bring

711
00:43:57,160 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 3: a different kind of value screening. We look at the

712
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 3: impact on other people. Women tend to naturally also be innovators,

713
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:11,760
Speaker 3: and again writing about this in this book I'm doing,

714
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 3: but think about this for a second. Women have not

715
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 3: had access to resources and power in traditional institutional structures. Okay,

716
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 3: they didn't have. I mean there's still only eight percent

717
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 3: or whatever it is today of women of CEOs or

718
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:33,319
Speaker 3: women of the fortune five hundred. I mean, give me

719
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 3: a believe in break please. There's so few resources and

720
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 3: so little authority in the hands of women that we

721
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 3: have had to figure out how to get things done

722
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:49,360
Speaker 3: without the power and the resources. So we had to

723
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 3: learn to renovate. We had to learn how to do

724
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 3: influence management, how to influence people. We had to learn

725
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 3: how to collaborate because we couldn't get anything done otherwise.

726
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 3: So women are natural innovators and natural problem solvers in

727
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 3: creative ways because we had to be. It's like a muscle.

728
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:12,759
Speaker 3: If you don't use it, you lose it. And this

729
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:16,880
Speaker 3: is a muscle that we've had to super strengthen just

730
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:18,759
Speaker 3: in order to get things done. And it's not like

731
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 3: we set out to do it that way. It's not

732
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 3: like weight training, you know. So that's a key reason

733
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 3: why I think. I think it's a combination of values

734
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:34,800
Speaker 3: of innovativeness, collaboration, communication skills, and the fact that women

735
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 3: make and influence eighty five percent of purchasing decisions, both

736
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:43,840
Speaker 3: in corporate and consumer today. That besides, we're fun and

737
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:44,320
Speaker 3: we're cool.

738
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 2: Amen, We're just fun, cool, true story.

739
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, creative. So yeah, yeah, rock.

740
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Speaker 1: We talked about this recently and I've seen a lot

741
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 1: of headlines about it going back to the super Bowl

742
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 1: about oh yeah, women who buy stuff, the stereotype that

743
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 1: we buy too much.

744
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 4: I don't understand.

745
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:16,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so that is that is a very interesting

746
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 1: thing where they're suddenly companies are like, wait a minute,

747
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 1: oh yeah, let's maybe we should re pivot. We should

748
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 1: pivot our campaigns. So I know we've been talking about

749
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:47,240
Speaker 1: this throughout but as you as you said in your podcast,

750
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 1: you have a bit where you give career advice in

751
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 1: every episode. So for a lot of our listeners probably

752
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:58,800
Speaker 1: are not in some of them, I'm sure are and

753
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 1: please write in listeners are but are not in the

754
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 1: sustainability environmental sector. But and you've already given some tidbits,

755
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 1: but do you have any advice on maybe ways that

756
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 1: people can implement climate justice into their own jobs, their

757
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:20,320
Speaker 1: businesses maybe if they have them and or their lives.

758
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely so. First of all, one of the things

759
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 3: about the new funding that's also cool from the government

760
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:32,760
Speaker 3: is that there's this thing called Justice forty where forty

761
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 3: percent of the benefits of the project have to go

762
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 3: to disadvantaged communities. So climate justice is built into the

763
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:45,480
Speaker 3: structure of those deals, which is really cool, right, And

764
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:49,680
Speaker 3: it's also important because disadvantaged communities have gotten many ways

765
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:51,759
Speaker 3: the brunt of climate change because a lot of the

766
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 3: cold plants are built, you know, the home, the lot

767
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:58,360
Speaker 3: of the quote low income housing and affordable housing is

768
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:03,319
Speaker 3: built near cold plants or power plants or whatever writer

769
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:07,320
Speaker 3: water treatment plants and stuff, and it's not as cool.

770
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:09,359
Speaker 3: So now they have to clean all that stuff up.

771
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:13,920
Speaker 3: But I would say, no matter what kind of job

772
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 3: you have or work you do, or organization you work

773
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:21,479
Speaker 3: for or business you have, think about a get get

774
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:23,799
Speaker 3: a read out on your carbon footprint. It's not that

775
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 3: hard to do. And you can, you know, listen to

776
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 3: Electric Ladies podcast, get some resources or what can you know?

777
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:33,880
Speaker 3: Ping me in at John Michaelson on any of the

778
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:39,239
Speaker 3: bleeping platforms you visual you care about, but you can

779
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 3: find you want to You're going to get a read

780
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:43,799
Speaker 3: out on your carbon footprint. You want to get a

781
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:47,840
Speaker 3: sense of where your energy is coming from, how are

782
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 3: you heating your home, how are you heating your business,

783
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:54,840
Speaker 3: what's the air quality in your space? Because you also

784
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 3: want it's a matter of taking care of your health

785
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:58,800
Speaker 3: and health of your employees if you're a business owner,

786
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 3: or your team if you're manager, and then you want

787
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:06,399
Speaker 3: to look at where are the materials coming from that

788
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:08,719
Speaker 3: you use in your product. So that's why I do

789
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:11,319
Speaker 3: a lot on sustainable fashion. Yes, I love fashion, I

790
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:16,840
Speaker 3: love clothes, but the fashion industry has an enormous carbon footprint.

791
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:19,600
Speaker 3: I mean, don't get me started. Okay, to make an

792
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 3: original pair of genes takes four thousand gallons of water.

793
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:23,759
Speaker 3: I mean they've cut it down a lot, but it's

794
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:27,799
Speaker 3: just it's appalling. And so there are a lot of

795
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:30,479
Speaker 3: companies and organizations that are doing a lot of work

796
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:34,760
Speaker 3: to reduce the carbon footprint of their clothing and manufacturing process.

797
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 3: And there's some very cool innovators. I have many many

798
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:42,160
Speaker 3: people on my guests on my show about it for example,

799
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 3: and so choose clothing that is made from sustainable fabrics,

800
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 3: and I don't care if it's if you're looking at

801
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 3: shoes or shirts or sweaters or whatever, decide deliberately whether

802
00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:00,840
Speaker 3: that's going to matter to you. And a lot of

803
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:03,799
Speaker 3: them are pricing them much more reasonably now. And there

804
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 3: are lines and there are whole companies that are doing

805
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:11,640
Speaker 3: this that so you can you can find the information.

806
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:15,879
Speaker 3: Look up sustainable fashion or you know, shoes made sustainably

807
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 3: or what have you. I mean, everybody from Nike to

808
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:22,960
Speaker 3: H and M is in the is in this work.

809
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:26,319
Speaker 3: So look at how you're spending your own money, look

810
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:30,920
Speaker 3: at where Even if what you're doing is okay, let

811
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:33,719
Speaker 3: me give you another example. If you're in it, God

812
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 3: knows we need your skill because the data is really critical.

813
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:42,520
Speaker 3: So if you're an employee, ask your boss what kind

814
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:46,760
Speaker 3: of data you can help the company collect that will

815
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:51,440
Speaker 3: help them understand their carbon footprint and their social footprint

816
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 3: and address it and be responsible for it. Like what

817
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 3: kind of reporting do they have to do? Do they

818
00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:01,919
Speaker 3: have what they need? I'd like to use my skills

819
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 3: to help solve that. And again you're asking, you're volunteering.

820
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:09,719
Speaker 3: You'll get cool projects. You never know what you'll end

821
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:13,759
Speaker 3: up working on and they might say no, but a

822
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 3: you made the effort, it might come back later. I'm

823
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:20,280
Speaker 3: a woman on my show. This is a different context,

824
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:24,200
Speaker 3: but it's an example. She had two little kids, and

825
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:26,359
Speaker 3: as she was walking out from work for a big

826
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:29,280
Speaker 3: financial institution. She was walking out of her boss's office

827
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:34,840
Speaker 3: one day, she said, by the way, don't eliminate me

828
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:38,880
Speaker 3: for opportunities overseas because I have two kids, and she

829
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:43,400
Speaker 3: walked out, have a nice day. Two to three weeks later,

830
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:45,919
Speaker 3: he came to her and said, we'd like to offer

831
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:49,799
Speaker 3: you an opportunity at Hong Kong. You have to tell

832
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 3: people what you want if you want to work on

833
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:56,759
Speaker 3: these projects. Get creative, Look at you know what your

834
00:51:56,800 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 3: business is, Understand what the strategy of your business is,

835
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 3: who they're marketing to, and say, hey, CEO, CFO, you

836
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:10,080
Speaker 3: know VP of YadA YadA. I see this that I

837
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:13,359
Speaker 3: can do X that I'm wondering, Can I are you're

838
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:19,080
Speaker 3: launching this project I just saw on the Slack channel?

839
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:23,200
Speaker 3: Can I how do I get involved in that that

840
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:27,799
Speaker 3: really resonates with me? Or can I start an ERG

841
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:32,960
Speaker 3: an employee resource group for women. I recently was on

842
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:38,840
Speaker 3: an employee resource group. A media company show just for

843
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:44,319
Speaker 3: internal employees that's targeted to their employee resource groups. They said, oh, well,

844
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:46,360
Speaker 3: we're going to share this one with the whole, with

845
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 3: every group. And I'm like, cool, So you never know,

846
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:54,480
Speaker 3: you have to tell people they don't they're not bleeping

847
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 3: mind readers people you know. And also a lot of it,

848
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:04,920
Speaker 3: Annie and Samantha, it comes from standing up for yourself.

849
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 3: Having It's not even just confidence. It's like, do I

850
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:13,040
Speaker 3: want to do this or don't? I right, I mean,

851
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:15,839
Speaker 3: what's the worst that could happen? They say, no, right,

852
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:19,760
Speaker 3: I think you could handle that. You're in that space now.

853
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:24,360
Speaker 3: I mean seriously, if they said no, oh, you're still

854
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:28,880
Speaker 3: right where you are now, right, right, right, So just

855
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:33,040
Speaker 3: bleeping go for it. And if you need encouragement, you

856
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:35,320
Speaker 3: need ideas. I mean, I'm happy to talk to anybody

857
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:38,840
Speaker 3: listening who wants to, you know, come to me. I

858
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:41,799
Speaker 3: obviously do this kind of work and coaching. I have

859
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:44,920
Speaker 3: people come to me going everything from fresh out of

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Speaker 3: college to I've been a foreign service officer for twenty years.

861
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Speaker 3: I just came back to the States. I want to

862
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Speaker 3: get into the space. What should I do? I mean,

863
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:56,080
Speaker 3: so it doesn't matter. And by the way, don't let

864
00:53:56,160 --> 00:54:00,920
Speaker 3: your age, your gender, your location, you're any way you

865
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:02,880
Speaker 3: live your life get in the way of any of

866
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Speaker 3: these opportunities. We need you. We need your voice, we

867
00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 3: need your energy, we need your intellect, we need your passion.

868
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Speaker 2: You don't get so many like alerts people asking you things.

869
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Speaker 2: It's okay, Colt, but you know, I love in your

870
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Speaker 2: segments and you actually have like separate episodes in which

871
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:24,000
Speaker 2: you ask your guests. So we're going to ask you

872
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:27,759
Speaker 2: specifically for mid career women, in which you describe as

873
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:30,240
Speaker 2: people who've been in their career ten to fifteen years,

874
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:33,719
Speaker 2: how would you give them advice to make money but

875
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Speaker 2: also make a difference.

876
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Speaker 3: Well, I've shared many ways in our conversation today, right,

877
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:44,640
Speaker 3: but I want to say this, think about your goals

878
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:50,120
Speaker 3: based on who you are now. Don't think about, oh, well,

879
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:53,439
Speaker 3: you know, I pull out your goals from you know,

880
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:55,719
Speaker 3: last year or whatever, and oh I wanted to be

881
00:54:55,880 --> 00:55:00,480
Speaker 3: VP of YadA YadA, or I wanted to to get

882
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:06,040
Speaker 3: my XYZ degree or whatever. Just think about look look

883
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:09,239
Speaker 3: at make a list first of all of what you've accomplished.

884
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:13,040
Speaker 3: We're sitting here in February. So think about last year,

885
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:15,680
Speaker 3: and I mean everything. I mean, like, you know, I

886
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:19,520
Speaker 3: made a list of how many podcasts episodes I've aired,

887
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:22,640
Speaker 3: how many people I interviewed, how many articles I wrote,

888
00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:26,279
Speaker 3: how many clients I coached, how many projects YadA YadA, write?

889
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:29,680
Speaker 3: How many other articles? How many and like everything, It's

890
00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:32,879
Speaker 3: like how many times did you go hiking? You know,

891
00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:37,279
Speaker 3: how many friends did you help in X Y Z way?

892
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:41,319
Speaker 3: I mean it gets everything right. Did you get a

893
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:46,960
Speaker 3: new house, did you decide to move to another city,

894
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:50,920
Speaker 3: did you like whatever it is relationships, et cetera. And

895
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:55,439
Speaker 3: then look at what kind of work do you want

896
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:57,120
Speaker 3: to do? Now? How do you know we spend so

897
00:55:57,320 --> 00:55:59,680
Speaker 3: much of our time in what we do for a living.

898
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:02,160
Speaker 3: You know, people say, well, why do you focus on

899
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:04,080
Speaker 3: what we do for a living, Because it's how dominates

900
00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:07,840
Speaker 3: our lives people, And it's a reflection. It's our output,

901
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:11,400
Speaker 3: it's our it's our mark and the universe. And I

902
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:13,479
Speaker 3: don't care if it's paid or unpaid. It's our mark

903
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:15,960
Speaker 3: in the universe in so many ways. So think about,

904
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:17,880
Speaker 3: you know, how do you want to spend your time?

905
00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:20,520
Speaker 3: What kind of difference do you want to make? Is

906
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:23,440
Speaker 3: it in working with kids like you were doing, Samantha.

907
00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:27,759
Speaker 3: Is it in the climate, is it in both? You know,

908
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:32,360
Speaker 3: teaching can stem careers, so they can have a career

909
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:36,040
Speaker 3: to help save the planet. Right, So then look at

910
00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:41,319
Speaker 3: the intersection of who you are. Absorb the kudos from

911
00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:44,480
Speaker 3: what you've accomplished, right, read your resume, your bio if

912
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:49,719
Speaker 3: you get depressed, and where the market is now, and

913
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:52,800
Speaker 3: don't be afraid to go for something that looks a

914
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Speaker 3: little sideways. So one way I describe it is we

915
00:56:56,600 --> 00:57:00,800
Speaker 3: are each a puzzle, like a jigsaw puzzle. Right now,

916
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:06,920
Speaker 3: our jigsaw puzzle looks like being on this podcast, and

917
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Speaker 3: we do the articles, we do the media stuff, we

918
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Speaker 3: do the social work, we do the climate action, we

919
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:16,160
Speaker 3: do all these little things. Right so right now the

920
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:19,080
Speaker 3: puzzle looks like who we are today that we see

921
00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:23,640
Speaker 3: in the mirror. Well, each of our puzzles is composed

922
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Speaker 3: of the pieces of what we know, who we know,

923
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:31,760
Speaker 3: what we know, how to do, where we live, et cetera,

924
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:36,360
Speaker 3: et cetera, how we comport ourselves the experiences we've had,

925
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:39,240
Speaker 3: and you can rearrange those puzzle pieces and create a

926
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Speaker 3: whole new picture. So when I went from journalism to

927
00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:49,240
Speaker 3: electric vehicles. I created a whole new puzzle, right but

928
00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:53,440
Speaker 3: it's still me. It's still the same skills. They're just rearranged,

929
00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:58,400
Speaker 3: so you can rearrange them no matter what kind of

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00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:02,240
Speaker 3: work you're doing now, or where you're in school, or

931
00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:05,800
Speaker 3: how you spend your time, and figure out what a

932
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:08,320
Speaker 3: good fit is for you. And to be honest with you,

933
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:12,440
Speaker 3: every aspect of our economy needs help right now, and

934
00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:15,920
Speaker 3: every aspect of our economy needs women's help right now,

935
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Speaker 3: because we have to bring our values and our perspectives

936
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Speaker 3: and our curiosity and our collaboration to any of this work.

937
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Speaker 3: So go for it and ask for help.

938
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Speaker 2: I love that. Felt like I was just at a

939
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Speaker 2: good Ted talk. Look an amazing Ted talk.

940
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Speaker 4: Just now not gonna pulled in. I know, thank you.

941
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Speaker 3: That's very I appreciate that.

942
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:44,000
Speaker 4: It is true.

943
00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:45,240
Speaker 3: You're fabulous.

944
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Speaker 1: I won't tell the story right now because I've told

945
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Speaker 1: it a million times, but I basically got this job

946
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:51,560
Speaker 1: because I was just really enthusiastic.

947
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Speaker 4: She tried.

948
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Speaker 3: It's true, but enthusiasm is contagious too.

949
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Speaker 1: If you feel like you can't do a thing because

950
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:02,360
Speaker 1: it's not in a certain lane. But so many of

951
00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:04,360
Speaker 1: us have like a talent here and a talent here,

952
00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:07,000
Speaker 1: and it doesn't have to be in a box. That

953
00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:10,560
Speaker 1: can be I can apply it in this creative way

954
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:13,160
Speaker 1: that maybe I wasn't thinking of. So I think that's

955
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:16,360
Speaker 1: great advice. We like to ask this to a lot

956
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:19,960
Speaker 1: of our interviewees who have done so much stuff and

957
00:59:20,040 --> 00:59:25,480
Speaker 1: are clearly like very busy. What do you do for yourself?

958
00:59:25,520 --> 00:59:27,120
Speaker 1: How do you take time for yourself?

959
00:59:28,560 --> 00:59:31,920
Speaker 3: Well, I love what I do, so to me, my

960
00:59:32,080 --> 00:59:35,160
Speaker 3: work is integrated with who I am, and so I'm

961
00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:37,320
Speaker 3: talking to you guys is for me too. I mean

962
00:59:37,320 --> 00:59:43,920
Speaker 3: it's a blast. So all, I'm an exercise person, so

963
00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:47,120
Speaker 3: I've been exercised, a big deal for me, and I

964
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:50,320
Speaker 3: walk a lot. I like hikes. I'm also a culture

965
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Speaker 3: I mean I'm born a bread New York City girls,

966
00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:55,400
Speaker 3: so I love culture. So museums are my happy place.

967
00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:57,200
Speaker 3: I walk in and I'm just like close my eyes

968
00:59:57,200 --> 01:00:00,920
Speaker 3: and breathe. They go and I inhale the creative energy.

969
01:00:01,120 --> 01:00:02,920
Speaker 3: I mean literally, my friends think I'm nuts. So they

970
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:04,520
Speaker 3: see me do this and they go, what the hell

971
01:00:04,560 --> 01:00:09,480
Speaker 3: are you doing? Yeah, it's just I love the magic

972
01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:12,040
Speaker 3: of creativity. It's just like where the hell did that

973
01:00:12,120 --> 01:00:16,320
Speaker 3: come from. Right. I am movies, some TV. I mean,

974
01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:18,560
Speaker 3: I'm a journalist, so I watched a lot of news.

975
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Speaker 3: I love reading. I love great writing. I just read

976
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Speaker 3: a biography of Nora Efron that was fun, and then

977
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Speaker 3: I did Yeah, and I, in fact, it's interesting because

978
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Speaker 3: she tells a story in there. It was written by

979
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Speaker 3: it's a biography, not an autobiography, and the woman tells

980
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:38,360
Speaker 3: a story about Dora Frond wrote a play about women

981
01:00:38,440 --> 01:00:40,520
Speaker 3: and clothing, and I forget the name of it offhand,

982
01:00:40,520 --> 01:00:42,600
Speaker 3: but anyway, it inspired me. So I did a story

983
01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:46,840
Speaker 3: about women clothing and identity and how more women are

984
01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:50,360
Speaker 3: choosing sustainable clothing now as part of their values and identity.

985
01:00:50,800 --> 01:00:54,680
Speaker 3: It's really interesting. So, I mean, and I go out

986
01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:58,360
Speaker 3: with friends and hang out with people, and I have

987
01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:03,720
Speaker 3: a lot of great friends. Things like that, So movies, events.

988
01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:06,520
Speaker 3: I'm going to the Kennedy Center this week, so that'll

989
01:01:06,560 --> 01:01:10,440
Speaker 3: be fun. I'm very excited. I love that stuff. Yeah,

990
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:12,800
Speaker 3: So I do a lot of fun things, but my

991
01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:13,880
Speaker 3: work is also fun.

992
01:01:14,520 --> 01:01:16,520
Speaker 2: Soon it will include you coming to Atlanta and we

993
01:01:16,680 --> 01:01:20,120
Speaker 2: hanging out and going out together, right, or we can

994
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:22,240
Speaker 2: come to New York, which we've been talking about anyway,

995
01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:30,240
Speaker 2: so we could just do that. Well, you're right New York,

996
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:35,680
Speaker 2: but yes, we're talking about so we'll do it that way.

997
01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:38,240
Speaker 2: We could all just go to New York to get together.

998
01:01:38,240 --> 01:01:41,400
Speaker 3: It's a trip there that we could totally do that

999
01:01:41,840 --> 01:01:50,640
Speaker 3: absolutely record. Yeah, either in Rockville or DC or New York.

1000
01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:51,320
Speaker 3: Who knows.

1001
01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:57,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, we gotta do it all that way. Yes, which

1002
01:01:57,280 --> 01:02:01,600
Speaker 2: is not so hot right now, very right now. And

1003
01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:06,919
Speaker 2: well before we wrap up, do you have anything else

1004
01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:09,040
Speaker 2: you would like to tell the listeners.

1005
01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:11,200
Speaker 3: I think I would like to tell your listeners. First

1006
01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:14,160
Speaker 3: of all, listen to Electric Ladies Podcast seriously. Let me

1007
01:02:14,240 --> 01:02:16,520
Speaker 3: know if you want any help or input on this,

1008
01:02:16,600 --> 01:02:18,840
Speaker 3: whether for your organization and for you, and you can

1009
01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:22,640
Speaker 3: find it on Electric Ladies podcast dot com. But I

1010
01:02:22,680 --> 01:02:27,800
Speaker 3: also want to say, have a different definition of risk.

1011
01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:31,520
Speaker 3: So I have lived in extreme hot and extreme cold.

1012
01:02:31,560 --> 01:02:34,520
Speaker 3: I've lived in eight states, I've been moved around for work,

1013
01:02:35,880 --> 01:02:39,640
Speaker 3: and have an adventurous spirit. I mean, if somebody had

1014
01:02:39,680 --> 01:02:41,880
Speaker 3: told me that I would be living in Las Vegas

1015
01:02:41,920 --> 01:02:44,080
Speaker 3: when I lived there, I would have looked at them

1016
01:02:44,120 --> 01:02:46,840
Speaker 3: like they had ten heads. If somebody had told me

1017
01:02:46,920 --> 01:02:49,680
Speaker 3: that I would be living in Fargo, North Dakota, which

1018
01:02:49,720 --> 01:02:52,120
Speaker 3: I did with Chrysler. I would look at them like

1019
01:02:52,120 --> 01:02:55,960
Speaker 3: they had just swallowed acid. So you know, you never know.

1020
01:02:56,080 --> 01:03:00,680
Speaker 3: But both opportunities changed my life dramatically in wonder full ways.

1021
01:03:01,480 --> 01:03:04,440
Speaker 3: I'm obviously not there anymore. I found my weather limits, ladies,

1022
01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:06,960
Speaker 3: I found my limits. I swung one hundred and eighty

1023
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:10,120
Speaker 3: degrees in eighty months. So I found my mother limits.

1024
01:03:11,600 --> 01:03:15,440
Speaker 3: But you know, I learned something from it. And so

1025
01:03:15,600 --> 01:03:18,440
Speaker 3: don't be afraid of Oh I don't know what's going

1026
01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:21,120
Speaker 3: to happen, go for it, for Christ's sake, the adventure

1027
01:03:21,200 --> 01:03:22,800
Speaker 3: of it. The worst that happens is you're eady and

1028
01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:27,720
Speaker 3: you lead. Yeah, so think about risk differently. Think about

1029
01:03:29,360 --> 01:03:32,160
Speaker 3: how you'll feel if you don't do it, and you'll

1030
01:03:32,200 --> 01:03:36,640
Speaker 3: regret not having done it or not having gone to

1031
01:03:36,680 --> 01:03:39,560
Speaker 3: meet you know, the blind date or whatever. Right, So

1032
01:03:39,840 --> 01:03:45,240
Speaker 3: just just have a different definition of risk and take

1033
01:03:45,320 --> 01:03:48,440
Speaker 3: your career by the horns. Take charge of it. You

1034
01:03:48,520 --> 01:03:52,080
Speaker 3: are CEO of your life, right, and treat it that way.

1035
01:03:54,520 --> 01:03:56,920
Speaker 3: I love that. Other than that, I have no opinion

1036
01:03:57,000 --> 01:03:57,479
Speaker 3: on the matter.

1037
01:04:00,320 --> 01:04:02,760
Speaker 4: All Right, I'm gonna fall off about this date.

1038
01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:09,880
Speaker 1: But yes, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you

1039
01:04:10,520 --> 01:04:14,520
Speaker 1: so much for taking the time. I love when we

1040
01:04:14,640 --> 01:04:19,240
Speaker 1: get to have these collaborations and crossovers because we found

1041
01:04:19,240 --> 01:04:21,560
Speaker 1: your research and your interviews and here we are and

1042
01:04:21,600 --> 01:04:22,280
Speaker 1: it's great.

1043
01:04:22,360 --> 01:04:24,720
Speaker 4: So thank you so much. We will be.

1044
01:04:26,200 --> 01:04:30,360
Speaker 1: Meeting up at some point at some times, yes, and

1045
01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:32,040
Speaker 1: if you ever want to come back, let.

1046
01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:33,640
Speaker 4: Us know you're welcome. Please come back.

1047
01:04:33,640 --> 01:04:36,480
Speaker 1: We would love to have another conversation. But in the meantime,

1048
01:04:36,760 --> 01:04:38,440
Speaker 1: where can our good listeners find you?

1049
01:04:39,240 --> 01:04:43,760
Speaker 3: Electric Ladies podcast dot com. Ladies is spelled out l

1050
01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:50,760
Speaker 3: d I yes, podcast dot com. My handle everywhere is

1051
01:04:50,800 --> 01:04:54,000
Speaker 3: at John Michaelson. I think my show we also have

1052
01:04:54,640 --> 01:04:59,120
Speaker 3: at Electric Ladies Podcast are at Electric Galas Pod. Speaking

1053
01:04:59,120 --> 01:05:06,400
Speaker 3: of Gallantine's Day, and uh, I'm on all the social media.

1054
01:05:06,440 --> 01:05:08,280
Speaker 3: I don't have to do as much on TikTok, thank

1055
01:05:08,320 --> 01:05:10,400
Speaker 3: you for sharing, but I'm you know, a lot on

1056
01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:13,160
Speaker 3: LinkedIn and I'll still call it Twitter, I can't help it.

1057
01:05:13,360 --> 01:05:18,880
Speaker 3: And Instagram whenever you'll find me. But I think LinkedIn

1058
01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:22,960
Speaker 3: and Twitter and my website you can find more information

1059
01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:24,720
Speaker 3: there that you ever want to know. You can follow

1060
01:05:24,800 --> 01:05:27,960
Speaker 3: my stories on Forbes. I've written hundreds of stories on

1061
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:29,640
Speaker 3: this stuff on Forbes. I have a lot of career

1062
01:05:29,680 --> 01:05:35,400
Speaker 3: advice on Forbes, and I do career coaching and book

1063
01:05:35,440 --> 01:05:40,160
Speaker 3: coaching and ESG consulting and speaking and stuff. So if

1064
01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:44,200
Speaker 3: I can inspire your audience or you do reach out,

1065
01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:48,360
Speaker 3: I am always happy to connect.

1066
01:05:47,840 --> 01:05:50,320
Speaker 4: Certain Like my dad said, I'm.

1067
01:05:50,200 --> 01:05:56,920
Speaker 2: Telling you just a few that's fine.

1068
01:05:55,520 --> 01:05:58,520
Speaker 3: As you have a book like we like and get yes,

1069
01:05:58,560 --> 01:06:01,120
Speaker 3: and I'm working on a book hopefully to be out

1070
01:06:01,200 --> 01:06:04,720
Speaker 3: later this year. Okay, fingers crossed, we'll go.

1071
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Speaker 4: Let us know.

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Speaker 3: Ye that's on your books.

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Speaker 1: We want to celebrate yours because I remember how stressful

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Speaker 2: I'm going to support you in your quests and then

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Speaker 2: come back on the show and we'll talk about it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, Well it's perfectly aligned with what we've

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Speaker 4: I love it absolutely well.

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