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Speaker 1: Is this this Morning Combat? It is Thursday May twenty eighth,

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty, and it is time for Morning Combat. Welcome everyone.

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Speaker 1: My name is Luke Thomas. I am one half of

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Speaker 1: your hosting duo here for the show. The gentleman on

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Speaker 1: gas station officionado himself, Brian Campbell, Brianzir, the.

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Speaker 2: Bait to your tackle. Luke, I am fired up like

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Speaker 2: Montell in ninety four. This is how we do it

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Speaker 2: on the MK two of the Old I was ready

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Speaker 2: for a It's Monday, this is Monday from the Great Loops,

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Speaker 2: but no, it's a thirsty Thursday. Still bringing it to

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Speaker 2: you despite the holiday week, Ky Luke, I hope you

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Speaker 2: enjoyed Memorial Day and shout out to all the fallen

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Speaker 1: It's a marathon and it's a sprinting. That's a way

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Speaker 1: of feels. Now, before we get into today's show, Brian,

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Speaker 2: We're starting to put a few of those in the chamber,

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Speaker 2: so to speak. We're gonna shoot them off like fireworks.

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Speaker 2: And just to echo what you're saying real quick, Luke,

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Speaker 2: I don't want to be the bad guy, but I

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Speaker 2: don't really want to do your sleepwalk dance anymore. These

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Speaker 2: catching them checks. You know what I'm saying, Well, let's

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Speaker 1: Let's do it. Good sir. All right with that, let's

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Speaker 1: get to the very first topic if we can. Saturday,

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Speaker 1: the UFC gets back to action, this time for the

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Speaker 1: first time in Nevada since the pandemic started. They got

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Speaker 1: approved for it yesterday. Different story for a different time,

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Speaker 1: but let's talk about the main event. Former UFC welterweight

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Speaker 1: champions Tyron Woodley gets back to action after fifteen months

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Speaker 1: off against the rising sensation Gilbert Burns BC. I start

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Speaker 1: with you on this one. To me, this is one

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Speaker 2: Well, first of all, Luke, I love this fight, Love

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Speaker 2: this fight, A great fight. The steaks. You could be

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Speaker 2: legitimately looking at the next I said, next welterweight title contender. Look,

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Speaker 2: we know what's sort of going on right now, kamoraw

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Speaker 2: But look, if someone comes out there, meaning Woodley or

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Speaker 2: you chalk that up. If he comes out and beats

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Speaker 1: I think you said it exactly right, PC. This is

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Speaker 1: truly for Tyrone Woodley. This is a cross roads moment.

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Speaker 1: Thirty eight years old. He turned thirty eight in April

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Speaker 1: it to Kamara Uspan that also made him the oldest

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Speaker 1: modest betting favorite heading into this, I think that's right.

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Speaker 1: but those are not equivalent things. At this stage, it

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And the reason why we said this is a

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Speaker 2: crossroads moment because if he's going, you know, he's not dead,

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Speaker 2: but he enters into celebrity fighter, you know, the second

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Speaker 2: let me find another big name I can match up

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Speaker 2: with to sell some tickets. We don't normally cheer for fighters,

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Speaker 2: Luke and and by the way, talking to Gilbert Burns

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Speaker 2: yesterday as well, one of the nicest guys ever. You

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Speaker 2: just the joy he shows in the cage. But I

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Speaker 2: will say this, there is something in my heart right

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Speaker 2: here for Toron Woodley. I don't think he got a

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Speaker 2: know Tyron can get windy. I know there's some reasons

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Speaker 2: as this Gilbert Burns never gone past three rounds. You

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Speaker 2: know he's not afraid, he says, I welcome the deep water.

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Speaker 2: But if Tyron Woody can control distance and fight the

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Speaker 2: Kamara Usman, there is a gap in experience. This is

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Speaker 2: high risk comes reward, of course, But let's not count

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Speaker 1: No, No, certainly you shouldn't be. I just mean his

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Speaker 1: His back will be against the cage in that twenty

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Speaker 1: UFC Apex one thing. Yes, it's gonna change the fight

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Speaker 1: a little bit because Tyron likes to go backwards, Gilbert

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Speaker 1: likes to go forward. So it's like, on the one hand,

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Speaker 1: Kamaru was able to do great work against them. On

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Speaker 1: So it could get dicey. But I want to focus

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Speaker 1: right on the money, BC, which is I don't think

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Speaker 1: Tyron can just get away with a win on Saturday. Yes,

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Speaker 2: It's just Kamara Usman's way to say, hey, look YOUFC,

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Speaker 2: it just to be Colby Covington rematch, because that's the

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Speaker 2: But let's continue the narrative. If they're gonna hold Jorge

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we very well, said Luke. I actually believe that

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Speaker 1: I saw him for eight hundred plus mill Maybe we'll see.

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Speaker 1: Let me ask you one more question. Put it to you,

429
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Speaker 1: who do you think Kumara was fighting in July.

430
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Speaker 2: Start, I'm starting to feel like with the if this

431
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Speaker 2: whole pricing concern is real, and look, I think it is,

432
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Speaker 2: even though you're right, they seem to have more money,

433
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Speaker 2: they're not paying the guys enough. But again, until I

434
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Speaker 2: see it, I'm not sure they're gonna make a truly

435
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Speaker 2: blockbuster fight and as great on paper as something like

436
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Speaker 2: Tony and Justin Gaegee was. And it was important for

437
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Speaker 2: them to come back with a bang, with a big

438
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Speaker 2: fight that also had sort of a ceiling financially, it

439
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Speaker 2: wasn't a true crossover fight. Yeah, I think it might

440
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Speaker 2: be Leon Edwards, you know, unless Kolby will take it

441
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Speaker 2: for cheap money. I doubt we're gonna get Mosviedl. I

442
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Speaker 2: doubt we're gonna get Connor.

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, I hope maybe Woodley.

444
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Speaker 2: Look, maybe Woodley. Maybe he's the star power, you know,

445
00:20:57,680 --> 00:20:58,760
Speaker 2: he's the real ay side there.

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Speaker 1: Maybe not a bad point because if he is the

447
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Speaker 1: guy who knows that he's been on the outside looking in,

448
00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:07,160
Speaker 1: all the other people who are ahead of him don't

449
00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:10,040
Speaker 1: want to play ball. I mean, if you're gonna play ball,

450
00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:12,120
Speaker 1: better late than never, right, And you could just waltz

451
00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:13,960
Speaker 1: in there and get another title shot. You know that.

452
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Speaker 1: Actually I don't think that's crazy. I don't think, but

453
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Speaker 1: it's contingent on what the guys ahead of him do,

454
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Speaker 1: less so than you know, just absolutely butchering Gilbert Burns

455
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Speaker 1: on Saturday. So I guess we'll see. Let's jump down

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Speaker 1: to one p. Thirty five now for our third topic, BC,

457
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Speaker 1: this is one that's got you hot under the collar.

458
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Speaker 1: I know you had a whole column about it on

459
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Speaker 1: CBS Sports, So let's go to you on this. Henry

460
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Speaker 1: Shudo is officially no longer the champion. You can go

461
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Speaker 1: to UFC dot com right now slash rankings, UFC dot

462
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Speaker 1: com slash rankings, excuse me, and you can see he's

463
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Speaker 1: no longer obviously the flyweight champ, but more especially no

464
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Speaker 1: longer the bantamweight champion. Is not ranked, and in fact,

465
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Speaker 1: you put out a message on social media sort of

466
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Speaker 1: confirming thanking everyone. It was a nice sentiment, and it

467
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Speaker 1: was a picture of him with the belts on, shaking

468
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Speaker 1: hands with Dan obviously postfight. Whether it was the last

469
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Speaker 1: one of the one before, I'm not sure. In any event, BC,

470
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Speaker 1: it brings into question about what the future is of

471
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Speaker 1: the bantsaweight division. I will for a third time BC

472
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Speaker 1: because I'm feeling generous today. I want to pitch it

473
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Speaker 1: to you, but I want to pitch to you in

474
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Speaker 1: such a way. We know, for example, Sterling and Sandhagen

475
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Speaker 1: they're fighting at UFC two to fifty on the main card.

476
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Speaker 1: We appear to know that Jan and Jose Aldo might

477
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Speaker 1: be competing, maybe for a title. I guess we'll see.

478
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Speaker 1: What do you make of the future of bantam weight.

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Speaker 2: Well, the future bandam weeight is great. It's it's bright

480
00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:32,199
Speaker 2: because it's such a friggin deep division. It's bottlenecked with

481
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Speaker 2: young guys that are about to make the leap, right

482
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Speaker 2: the al Jos, the Sanhagan's, the Peter Yns, and also

483
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Speaker 2: has like the perfect mixture of old names. I mean

484
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Speaker 2: even got let's not forget you if Franki Edgar coming

485
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Speaker 2: back in July, probably against Pedro Munio's at Bandamway. We

486
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Speaker 2: got mister Faberlinger and we got all though, we got

487
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Speaker 2: Dom Cruse, all that, you got Cody Garbrant coming back.

488
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Speaker 2: It's an awesome division. So to remove a guy in

489
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Speaker 2: shudo who, let's be honest, I love sekhudo does get

490
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Speaker 2: hurt a lot does look for other fights. He sort

491
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Speaker 2: of kind of was doing a poor man's Connor in

492
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Speaker 2: terms of hijacking that belt to a small degree in

493
00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:09,760
Speaker 2: a division that needs clarity. So in that regard, actually

494
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Speaker 2: good news that we can start getting some bang up fights.

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Speaker 2: I think the problem is the UFC's choice in the spot.

496
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Speaker 2: I know Jose Aldo already had been given a shot

497
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Speaker 2: and against Suhudo, and we already went through that conversation.

498
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Speaker 2: You know it's not the right move, but it feels

499
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Speaker 2: so good. Although look great, imagine although being a two

500
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Speaker 2: division champion, I love a lot of those things. The

501
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Speaker 2: problem is you just did that with Dom Cruz, like

502
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Speaker 2: you already did that move of taking the popular guy

503
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Speaker 2: for your B side spot to sort of try to

504
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Speaker 2: help extra sell tickets. At this point, it's time to

505
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Speaker 2: find out who the actual best is. And I think

506
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Speaker 2: Marlon Morice, who was already scheduled to face Peter Yan,

507
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Speaker 2: it makes sense that guy fought great against Henry Suhudo

508
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Speaker 2: before losing the vacant title, comes back and beats Aldo

509
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Speaker 2: in a very good fight. He's deserving. Why not go

510
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Speaker 2: that direction of what they're doing? UFC two fifty two

511
00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:05,080
Speaker 2: Saturdays from now. Three bandom white fights on that card,

512
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Speaker 2: not just San Hagan against al Jo. You got Sean

513
00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:10,520
Speaker 2: O'Malley coming back in a spot to really push himself up.

514
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Speaker 2: You got Cody Garbrandt coming back against hafiel A Sun

515
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Speaker 2: sald These are great fights that in some ways there

516
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Speaker 2: is like a de facto tournament to try to trim

517
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Speaker 2: the fat and figure out who's next. But as much

518
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Speaker 2: as I love him, and I do love me some

519
00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:25,880
Speaker 2: Josie Aldell, he don't deserve this. And we just did

520
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:28,280
Speaker 2: the Dom Cruz experiment. Don't go back to the well

521
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Speaker 2: twice on this. Give the guys a chance to figure

522
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Speaker 2: out who's the best. I know you're probably not gonna

523
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Speaker 2: ever do another tournament, even though let's not forget UFC

524
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Speaker 2: did a flyweight tournament a couple of years back. Right

525
00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:40,480
Speaker 2: turned out good for me, but it is very belatory,

526
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Speaker 2: very strike fource. Dana's not really into that. Now would

527
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Speaker 2: be the time to do it. But if you're not Luke,

528
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Speaker 2: at least let the guys who have been itch and

529
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Speaker 2: get in there.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't mind Aldo being in the tournament. If it

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Speaker 1: was eight man, right, that to me would be Okay,

532
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Speaker 1: but if it's.

533
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Speaker 2: Help up two men, how about a two man tournament

534
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Speaker 2: with Aldo? No?

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Speaker 1: No, But I'm saying if you had the top eight

536
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Speaker 1: contenders even that it's like, okay, why is Aldo there?

537
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Speaker 1: But Okay, I'd sort of find a way to live

538
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Speaker 1: with it. I'd be like, fine, I mean, he's really

539
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Speaker 1: taking the most prestigious slot or something like that. No,

540
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Speaker 1: but when you do top four and you're leaving mariis

541
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Speaker 1: out to me, I hate everything about it. Look, I'm

542
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Speaker 1: not telling you it's going to be a bad fight.

543
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Speaker 1: I'm not even telling you that Joseialdo can't win that.

544
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Speaker 1: I think he's probably as live a dog as there

545
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Speaker 1: might be. I favorite Peter Yan to win. But Josialdo

546
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Speaker 1: is certainly a very talented fighter, and he looked very

547
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Speaker 1: good against Marlon Moriis. But the point being is like

548
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Speaker 1: you finally have a moment to lean into this burgeoning

549
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Speaker 1: youth movement that is happening at one thirty five between

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Speaker 1: as you mentioned Mariich, Sterling, Sandhagen, and Yon. That was

551
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Speaker 1: such I mean, the idea of those guys fighting and

552
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Speaker 1: how good the fighting would be and what it would

553
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Speaker 1: say about the person who emerges from that would be

554
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Speaker 1: so important, and I wouldn't tell you that they'd be

555
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Speaker 1: a star overnight. But here's the truth. If jose Aldo

556
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Speaker 1: was criticized for anything during the course of his career,

557
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Speaker 1: it was one kind of takeing fights or rounds off.

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Speaker 1: Even when he won, he was just kind of being

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Speaker 1: lackadaisical about it. People hammered him for it in the

560
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Speaker 1: Frankie Edgar fight, even though he won that the first one,

561
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Speaker 1: and also that he was never really much of a draw.

562
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Speaker 1: He was constantly criticized for never really trying to learn English,

563
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Speaker 1: and I don't think that's very fair, but that's exactly

564
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Speaker 1: what was leveled against him. Now we're supposed to believe

565
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Speaker 1: that he's a kingmaker when you beat him. I mean,

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Speaker 1: maybe for Max because it was sort of novel in

567
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Speaker 1: the way that he did it not once but twice,

568
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Speaker 1: or for Connor for the extraordinary way that he did it.

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Speaker 1: But now, at one thirty five, at this stage in

570
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Speaker 1: his career, this is going to turn Peter Yawn into

571
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Speaker 1: some kind of overnight celebrity. I just don't buy it.

572
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:36,919
Speaker 1: I don't buy it at all. I don't think you're

573
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Speaker 1: getting much of a boost and now where's Marlon Maurish

574
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Speaker 1: sitting in all of this? He's watching everyone else compete

575
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Speaker 1: for a space he's legitimately earned. People always say, oh,

576
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Speaker 1: you could make a case that Aldo beat Miraje. I

577
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Speaker 1: could make a case for a lot of shit that

578
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Speaker 1: didn't happen. It didn't happen. In the end, he recorded

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Speaker 1: the W. That's the guy who gets to or run

580
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Speaker 1: it back. Have him run it back, and that's fine,

581
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Speaker 1: you can do that again. But if you're not going

582
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Speaker 1: to run it back, and that's the guy that's going

583
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Speaker 1: to get the W, then he's the one who is

584
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Speaker 1: entitled to the spoils of the victory. And so why

585
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Speaker 1: not embrace this new generation of like extraordinary fighting talents

586
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:10,479
Speaker 1: that are coming up, which they're doing at UFC two

587
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:13,360
Speaker 1: to fifty Bryan with san Haagen and Sterling and everybody

588
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 1: is pumped for it. You'd get the exact same thing.

589
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 1: Peter Yan is gonna be a star one day, but

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Speaker 1: it's not gonna be because he beat Jose Aldo.

591
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, and look, we almost justified the first all though

592
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 2: idea because it was really meant to you know, there's

593
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 2: a great possibility of helping Suhudo really become that true

594
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Speaker 2: superstar if he beat him more than it would putting

595
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:35,640
Speaker 2: him in there against a younger killer. But there's enough

596
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:37,479
Speaker 2: younger killers. Now, let's let him all bang. I mean,

597
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Speaker 2: come on, come on, Dana, you should be better than

598
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Speaker 2: this is a big.

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Speaker 1: Gratuitous right here, let me ask you one more of

600
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Speaker 1: these them. We'll jump to the next topic, which is

601
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Speaker 1: we got our unofficial four man attorney. Let's assume that

602
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Speaker 1: they don't give a title to Jose Aldo or John Right,

603
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Speaker 1: let's just assume it's non title.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Oh, you don't think I think that's gonna be

605
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Speaker 2: vacant bell all the way, Luke, No.

606
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Speaker 1: No, no, I suspect that it will be. I'm just saying,

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Speaker 1: for the purposes of discussion, let's assume that it's not

608
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Speaker 1: who wins that fight, who wins Sanagan versus Sterling. What

609
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:02,440
Speaker 1: do you think?

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00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 2: You know? I think I may end up favoring Josie

611
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,199
Speaker 2: Aldo when it's all said and done. He looked that

612
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:11,440
Speaker 2: good in his first fight, you know what I mean?

613
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 2: I think you know for all this that we said, right,

614
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:14,880
Speaker 2: who are we?

615
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:15,119
Speaker 1: Right?

616
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 2: We're just some losers with cool T shirts in our basement.

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00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 2: The deal on the Sanagan Aljo one is it's the

618
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:22,680
Speaker 2: best fight of the group. I mean, you know, I

619
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Speaker 2: wouldn't even be mad if that main event did you

620
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 2: havec two fifty. Look, you're CEE two fifty sneaky good.

621
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Speaker 2: Undercard just doesn't have a main event, So I get

622
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Speaker 2: why people are a little bit upset that that's a

623
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Speaker 2: pay per view and we got Cody and the co

624
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,520
Speaker 2: main event. But al Jo Sanahagan is the best fight.

625
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Speaker 2: I think Sanagan's the dark horse of this division, and

626
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Speaker 2: I think he has been since the beginning. He could

627
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Speaker 2: be the guy standing at the end of it.

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Speaker 1: Look, yeah, Sanahagan's my guy to win the whole thing too,

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Speaker 1: Although I think the fight with Yan would be pretty

630
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Speaker 1: incredible if Jan is able to get past Jose, I

631
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 1: do think Yan will, so I think eventually it will

632
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Speaker 1: be a Yan versus san Hagan showdown. But Sterling Andaldo,

633
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Speaker 1: I'll give him credit, dude, they're not They're not especially

634
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 1: they're not out of this so should be kind of interesting.

635
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Speaker 1: All right, Let's jump now from super Elite in their

636
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Speaker 1: prime fighters to the exact opposite. BC. Look, man, we

637
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 1: grew up in the eighties, BC. We know what Mike

638
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 1: Tyson means to combat sports fans of even remotely our age.

639
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 1: He was the guy, He was the great White Shark,

640
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 1: he was the menacing figure, he was the figure among

641
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 1: all figures. He made boxing more popular in his era

642
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:31,719
Speaker 1: than it otherwise would have been. And that's just a fact.

643
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 1: And now at age was it fifty two fifty three?

644
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 1: He is sort of teasing a bit of a comeback.

645
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 1: I believe he was on I'm Told aew last night.

646
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, you are sold, You're told by me?

647
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 2: Pro wrestling babe.

648
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 1: Oh yeah. And I think Henry Shudo was there too.

649
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 1: I don't know what they were doing, but here's the point.

650
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 1: He's been hitting pads with halfaiol cordero of King's MMA.

651
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 1: You know obviously that it looks pretty good, and he's

652
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 1: teasing a comeback. We don't know exactly what bare knuckle

653
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 1: is off for him. I spoke to David Film and

654
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 1: the guy who runs it twenty million dollars potentially with

655
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 1: vanderlay Silva on the line to do bigger than Mayweather numbers,

656
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 1: which is Cockermamy. And my question to you is are

657
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 1: you interested? Let me go first on this one. If

658
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 1: I may Listen, man.

659
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 2: You have a producer credit. Take the Floyd Loop.

660
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 1: Well, I you know, I got to get one of

661
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 1: these in. But here's my point. You see, I doubt

662
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 1: we're too far apart on this one. You like the

663
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 1: carne stuff a little bit more than me, But even

664
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 1: then it's just a degree of difference, not kind. I'm

665
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 1: not telling you that if he came back in bare

666
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 1: knuckle in a four round exhibition or whatever, it may

667
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 1: end up being that it wouldn't do decent numbers, maybe

668
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 1: even good, maybe even great, but it's not going to

669
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 1: do even anything approximating Mayweather numbers. Although I take it

670
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 1: seriously that his celebrity is enduring. I remember trying to

671
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 1: explain to people about Kimbo Slice why folks were still interested. Remember,

672
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 1: Kimbo Slice is easily the most popular fighter in bellator history.

673
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:57,719
Speaker 1: It's just a fact no one has even come close

674
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 1: to what he drew. And it's because even so he

675
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 1: had those losses, and even though he didn't quite look

676
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 1: the same, and even though he was fighting Dotta five

677
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 1: thousand and whatever else, people had an attachment to this

678
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 1: guy that was bonded during a really interesting time in

679
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 1: their lives through a very interesting medium, and those bonds

680
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 1: they die hard. Well. Imagine Mike Tyson, for crying out loud,

681
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,480
Speaker 1: who achieved legitimate things in boxing and was a worldwide

682
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 1: celebrated figure. So I get that there's going to be

683
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 1: a market for him to do virtually anything. One man shows, marijuana, strains, aw,

684
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 1: you name it. So if he does it, it will

685
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 1: do well. I will be comfortable with it if he's

686
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 1: not really putting his health in super jeopardy. So I

687
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 1: don't know how I feel about bareknuckle, but like a

688
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:45,239
Speaker 1: far round boxing exhibition, I don't think is the end

689
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 1: of the world, and if a commission is regulating it,

690
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 1: I feel even better. So if people want to watch it,

691
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 1: which we would have to do for this job anyway,

692
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 1: I'm not even gonna lecture about a BC because I'd

693
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 1: be a huge hypocrite. But I guess what I am

694
00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 1: going to say is am I actually interested? I really

695
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:03,480
Speaker 1: want to see this? Does it get me out of

696
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 1: the bed in the morning to think about, oh my god,

697
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 1: what this might look like? No, it does not, It

698
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 1: does not at all. And I just think we have

699
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 1: to kind of be honest about I think I understand

700
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 1: where the appeal comes from I just can't share, and

701
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 1: it's vigor Where are you on this?

702
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a line and everywhere, Like I'm the gas

703
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 2: station food guy. I'm the old guy fighting hashtag old

704
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 2: guy fights. I've been threatening to start my own promotion

705
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 2: for years. The difference is, I like old guy fights

706
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 2: under the guys of what like the Big Three is

707
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 2: to the NBA, right. I like when aging names get

708
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 2: sort of one more chance to scratch that itch, cash

709
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 2: a paycheck, maybe come back and go out on their

710
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 2: own terms in some type of fun little setup against

711
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 2: either another aging name or somebody younger who has a

712
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 2: size disadvantage. But I normally like that when guys are

713
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 2: like late thirties and washed or in their forties, there

714
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 2: is a limit even for me in getting excited about that.

715
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 2: And I think Tyson is just a different element in

716
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 2: this conversation because, like, I don't care if you loved

717
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 2: him or hated him, if you lived it, if you

718
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 2: were there in the eighties when he was the biggest

719
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 2: star in sports and one of the biggest cultural icons

720
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 2: of the moment almost worldwide, you have this soft spot

721
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 2: in love. I mean, let's be honest, he should be dead.

722
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 2: He's lived the life of like thirty people in one

723
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 2: and the fact that he's been able most recently to

724
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 2: find some like legitimate emotional happiness, first through marijuana and

725
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 2: now as you can see on this aw video. Last night,

726
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 2: he came out with Shudo, Vitor Belfort and Rashad Evans

727
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 2: and I do a weekly MMA podcast with Rashad Evans

728
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 2: on CBS Sports, and Rashad's big in the psychedelic game

729
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 2: from the idea of healing. Mike Tyson's also gone through

730
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 2: that as well, and he's for the first time in

731
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 2: a spot mentally and emotionally, and Rashad and I had

732
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 2: a great conversation about that this week where he actually

733
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 2: can train. If you look at any Mike Tyson interview

734
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 2: over the last decade, he doesn't even like to talk

735
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 2: about the crazy man he once was, the fighter. He

736
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 2: hates that person. It was like, as Rashad put it,

737
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 2: for who he used to be. He's finally coming to

738
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 2: terms really through his psychedelic medical drug use to to

739
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 2: being okay with that and to putting back on the

740
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 2: gloves and being okay getting in great shape. Now. I

741
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:15,399
Speaker 2: don't know if this whole great and great shape thing

742
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:18,240
Speaker 2: is gonna lead to a pro wrestling match with Chris Jericho,

743
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 2: And if it does, hey, that's that's great. That's fun.

744
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 2: That's fun stuff. But I have such an emotional connection,

745
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 2: like a lot of us, to seeing Mike stay healthy

746
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 2: in every category that you know, I don't want him.

747
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:31,800
Speaker 2: I don't want him in bare knuckle against Vanderley Silva,

748
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,880
Speaker 2: even though it's seemingly the perfect slop for me. I

749
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 2: don't want him in a Hey, let's hug with Evander

750
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 2: Holyfield and pretend to bite each other's ears and oh,

751
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 2: maybe we throw some real punches for one round. I

752
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:44,719
Speaker 2: want to see Mike make money, but I want to

753
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 2: see him happy. It's hard not to really care about

754
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:50,240
Speaker 2: that guy, Luke when you've seen how hard he's taken

755
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 2: falls yet continually come back from that. Great that he's

756
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 2: in shape, Great that he's happy. But let's let's leave

757
00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:58,319
Speaker 2: it there, let's put a limit on that.

758
00:34:58,480 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's a great point. I mean, if

759
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 1: you want that movie that came out in the aughts

760
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 1: about him, the first sort of psychological documentary that he

761
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:07,760
Speaker 1: was a part of in talking about his own mistakes,

762
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 1: and he still has not whatever one's view of the

763
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:14,239
Speaker 1: with the rape charge and the time he did, it's

764
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 1: still something that he denies to this day. But he

765
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:20,359
Speaker 1: has to me. If you watch that documentary and even

766
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 1: listen to this one Man shows which have a comedic

767
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 1: element to it, you realize two things. One, he is

768
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 1: consciously aware in general of the trauma that he has

769
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:34,320
Speaker 1: caused to other people and himself. And he is consciously

770
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:37,839
Speaker 1: and he has fully internalized about the trauma he experienced

771
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:40,960
Speaker 1: bringing up and the actions he undertook to deal with it.

772
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 1: And it weighed on him in a significant way. I

773
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 1: mean it twisted him to the point where it took

774
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 1: him what do you want to say, twenty years almost

775
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 1: fifteen plus to work his way through it in the

776
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 1: most sort of undulating, difficult, exhausting kind of path to

777
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 1: where he's now in a place that is, as you indicated,

778
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 1: significantly healthier. The worst thing that could happen to me

779
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 1: is not so much he gets knocked out, and that

780
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:07,840
Speaker 1: would be brain trauma, although that by itself could be

781
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 1: certainly at fifty three, not a great thing. But let's

782
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 1: assume he gets off of the canvas and he's more

783
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 1: or less okay. Does that trauma itself trigger some kind

784
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 1: of reconsideration about all the things he has already prostested

785
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 1: himself through. Does it make him regret certain things? Does

786
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 1: it just undo the progress in a way which he

787
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:29,320
Speaker 1: has already made. Certainly we can all agree Mike Tyson

788
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 1: is probably a better human and a citizen today than

789
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 1: he was in nineteen ninety. And that's not by accident.

790
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 1: He had to work to get there. And I just

791
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:42,360
Speaker 1: I don't know. I can't deny a man a paycheck

792
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:44,759
Speaker 1: if that's what he wants. But I can't pretend that

793
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 1: this is something that like I'm eager to see. I'm not.

794
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 1: I'm just not eager to see it.

795
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like someone saying, oh, you're the adult film guy,

796
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 2: Well here's one where the girl gets peed on. No,

797
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 2: r Kelly get on.

798
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 1: I don't want well that, I mean that's you know,

799
00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 1: don't speak for my preferences, only speak for yours. Okay,

800
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:02,439
Speaker 1: all right? By that, we move on to our fifth

801
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 1: and final topic here BC, which is the UFC. We

802
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:08,399
Speaker 1: had talked about fighter pay just a minute ago, talking

803
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:10,719
Speaker 1: about Kamara Usman. Let's circle back to it. So John

804
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 1: Jones made news this past week a little bit before

805
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:19,320
Speaker 1: that too, he live tweeted his exploratory negotiations if you

806
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 1: want to call that, with the UFC to fight Francis

807
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:24,400
Speaker 1: and Ganow and what he wanted was more money to

808
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 1: go up to heavyweight, and the UFC told him basically

809
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 1: under knowing certain terms no like I mean, we'll pay

810
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 1: you more if under your existing deal you generate more,

811
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 1: but we're not actually going to change the terms to

812
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:38,320
Speaker 1: give you more to take on something that is pretty

813
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:42,279
Speaker 1: easily I think a risky proposition for him one way

814
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:45,840
Speaker 1: or the other. BC. Why is the UFC reluctant to

815
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:48,479
Speaker 1: pay John Jones? And by the way, Francis wants more too,

816
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 1: so why are they reluctant to pay them more? And

817
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 1: should they?

818
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:54,880
Speaker 2: I think this is such a fascinating conversation about the

819
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:57,759
Speaker 2: real decisions that get made in the war room, so

820
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 2: to speak, with the UFC. And obviously the answer to

821
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 2: this is financials in a lot of ways, but I

822
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:04,799
Speaker 2: think there's other elements that people might not be looking

823
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:06,879
Speaker 2: at that do connect with that. Now, just one point,

824
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 2: Dana did speak on it finally a second time. We

825
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 2: know originally he told John Annick in that live stream,

826
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 2: everybody wants it, but I don't see that happening. Well,

827
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:17,319
Speaker 2: he did tell Phil Murphy yesterday, don't believe everything you

828
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:20,240
Speaker 2: hear from fighters when they speak publicly. So there's probably

829
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 2: some truth to that that. Maybe John saying UFC told

830
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 2: me anytime I'm ready to go to heavyweight, they'll rip

831
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:28,319
Speaker 2: up my contract and give me a new one. You know,

832
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 2: maybe that's not fully true. We don't really know, but

833
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 2: if some of that is true, you certainly can sympathize

834
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:38,399
Speaker 2: with John. You can sympathize with fans who who would

835
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:41,240
Speaker 2: go nuts for this fight. You'd sympathize with the idea

836
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 2: of like, hey, UFC, like this is what you're all about.

837
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 2: You're all about people daring to be great and make

838
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:48,880
Speaker 2: it super fights. Why the hell would you not do this?

839
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 2: So I think it's a little bit too easy to

840
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 2: say just money, even though money's a big part of it. Again,

841
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 2: there's no livegate for a while. Again, maybe UFC doesn't

842
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:01,840
Speaker 2: want to pay John like super fight money for Nghanu.

843
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 2: And then you know, if John wins, what are you

844
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:04,919
Speaker 2: pay him for the next one? Do you have to double?

845
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 2: You know, what do you have to go up even more?

846
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 2: Maybe there's some of that. Maybe there's some of the

847
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:11,439
Speaker 2: belief through UFC's eyes that John is not as big

848
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:13,879
Speaker 2: of a draw as he thinks he is. But I wonder, Luke,

849
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 2: if it's more to do with the long term vision

850
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:19,799
Speaker 2: of matchmaking per division. Now, now deal with me on

851
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 2: this a second. Okay, they've got something again here in

852
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:24,920
Speaker 2: Frances and Ghanu, like we just talking about Mike Tyson.

853
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 2: He's the Mike Tyson of MMA. Potentially he was the

854
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 2: sewing rocket ship that got shot down, only he didn't explode.

855
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 2: He's rebuilt himself.

856
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:32,280
Speaker 1: Great.

857
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:35,879
Speaker 2: I love the idea of Jones and Ghanu most most

858
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:38,439
Speaker 2: of all because I don't care who you are, how

859
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 2: expert a fan of a fan in terms of breaking

860
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:43,400
Speaker 2: down the technique. You could be Professor Salt and Pepper,

861
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 2: or you could be you know, filthy casual BC and

862
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 2: you don't know what that fight's gonna look like. But

863
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 2: what if UFC thinks John's gonna figure out a way

864
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:56,360
Speaker 2: to win that did we just damage a potential rocket

865
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 2: ship and Enghanu who may be the perfect guy to

866
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:02,279
Speaker 2: go up there against in aging Steepayer and aging DC

867
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 2: to pass the torch? Interesting? And if you did that

868
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:10,360
Speaker 2: if you sacrificed Francis and Gan, who's brand potential to John,

869
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 2: what are you leaving that light heavyweight division. Yes, you

870
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 2: have a potential future star in Don Reis, but right

871
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 2: now you have no one marketable there who can consistently

872
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:22,279
Speaker 2: headline pay per views. I wonder if UFC is thinking this.

873
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 2: John's been pretty pretty close lately at two five. He's

874
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 2: almost lost to Maheta, almost lost to Don Reis. If

875
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:33,319
Speaker 2: he stays there, he's probably gonna lose eventually soon. That

876
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:35,759
Speaker 2: might be what they want, Luke. They might want an

877
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 2: official passing of the torch where they don't have to

878
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 2: pay John a whole ton to fight a Don Reis

879
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:43,359
Speaker 2: and he may end up losing to them. And then

880
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 2: if John goes up to heavyweight, then it's still a

881
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:48,799
Speaker 2: big deal. We still need to see what it looks like.

882
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 2: And you also leave someone behind at two o five

883
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:54,839
Speaker 2: who now has the rub of beating John Jones. And

884
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:56,239
Speaker 2: you know, if you flip the switch and say, well

885
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 2: what if John doesn't ever lose again at two o five, well,

886
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 2: at least you still have that headliner every single time

887
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 2: who can be a I mean, how many people in

888
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 2: the UFC right now are a side pay per view headliners,

889
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:09,279
Speaker 2: not a ton luke. So I wonder if it's more

890
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 2: to do with UFC either saying we think John is

891
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 2: closer to the end than we realize, let's leave him

892
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 2: at two o five, or maybe we think John secretly

893
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:19,759
Speaker 2: could beat the crap out of Anghanaho. We don't want

894
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:22,359
Speaker 2: to do that, then hey, we don't want to pay John.

895
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:25,359
Speaker 1: I think that's an interesting theory the second of the two.

896
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 1: I take both. I think a pretty decent ones, especially

897
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 1: about the idea that what happens if he beats Francis,

898
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 1: what do we do then? But here's the thing. It's like,

899
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:36,800
Speaker 1: if you can beat Francis right now, and Francis has beaten,

900
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:38,759
Speaker 1: look at the all other contenders around him. I guess

901
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:40,360
Speaker 1: Derek lewisill be the only one close to him that

902
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 1: he's not beaten. But you know, Cain Curtis blades twice.

903
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 1: I mean, you go down the list jds, He's just

904
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 1: knocking them all out. So if you can beat Francis,

905
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 1: it's hard for me to understand why you couldn't beat

906
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 1: the rest of them. Not even playing mma math per se.

907
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 1: I'm just simply saying The riddle for Francis is certainly

908
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:58,760
Speaker 1: different than the other ones. But if you can solve

909
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 1: that one, chances are you could probably solve a lot

910
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 1: of the other ones too, especially with John's skill set.

911
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 1: But here's my point. When they say, oh, they don't

912
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 1: they don't really want this fight, don't believe what you

913
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:12,399
Speaker 1: read on social media. It's like, okay, call their bluff, right,

914
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 1: I mean, here's the whole way. You know that they

915
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 1: don't want to fight. Okay, we'll pay you more, sure,

916
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 1: no problem, sign, here's your bad agreement. And then if

917
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 1: they get wishy washy, well then you know what the

918
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 1: answer is. But the fact is, again, oh, in a pandemic,

919
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 1: we don't have a get we don't have money. But

920
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:29,360
Speaker 1: when you didn't have a pandemic, you were doing the

921
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 1: same thing. Oh well, they don't want to fight, Okay, Well,

922
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:35,719
Speaker 1: if you actually never make them the offer that they're

923
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 1: asking for, at least something, you know, competitive, you always

924
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:40,759
Speaker 1: go into a job interview BC asking for more money

925
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:42,400
Speaker 1: than you actually expect to get, so you can, you know,

926
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 1: negotiate a little bit higher than what you would ordinarily receive.

927
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:48,400
Speaker 1: If you can negotiate down to some kind of middle

928
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 1: ground that's higher than normal. Offer it to them and

929
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:53,759
Speaker 1: then see what they say. And if they don't say yes,

930
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:56,240
Speaker 1: well then we know that this whole thing is a charade.

931
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 1: But they never seem to call the bluff. They just

932
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 1: keep saying, oh, it's all smoking mirrors. And then John

933
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 1: is doing extensive interviews with John Morgan over an MMA

934
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 1: junkie about how he feels about this. And I get

935
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 1: that they've got strained relationships, which both sides certainly have

936
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 1: the hand in creating. I think you could say, I'm

937
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 1: just pointing out they always want us to take the

938
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 1: promoter's idea about this at face value, and I'm saying,

939
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 1: put your money where your mouth is. You say they

940
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:26,799
Speaker 1: don't want it, prove it?

941
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, prove it. That's a fair point. But you know,

942
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:35,799
Speaker 2: if they say prove it and those fighters say yes,

943
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:38,480
Speaker 2: that's not a championship out and they'd have to pay

944
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 2: championship money. So what about what about you have to

945
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:41,320
Speaker 2: look at it.

946
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:42,960
Speaker 1: What I think you're I think their theory is good,

947
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 1: but what about the idea that, like you mentioned, there's

948
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 1: not a lot of headliners. Okay, UFC to a degree,

949
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 1: pretty strong degree, let's be honest has taken out a

950
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 1: lot of the volatility in their pay per view business. Right.

951
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:55,319
Speaker 1: It used to be like, we just don't know what

952
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 1: we're going to do. One hundred thousand or more depends

953
00:43:57,120 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 1: on the headliner. Now it's not that way, however, or

954
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:04,359
Speaker 1: Jones versus in Ghanu. I mean, I can't guarantee that

955
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 1: that sells a lot, but I have a feeling that

956
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 1: would sell a lot better than virtually any other John

957
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:10,880
Speaker 1: Jones fight. You could make a two of five by

958
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:14,319
Speaker 1: a factor of two. And so if you can make

959
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:16,759
Speaker 1: money like that, which will then make up for a

960
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:19,799
Speaker 1: potential lost gate, why wouldn't you just do that?

961
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:25,359
Speaker 2: Fair question? Fair question, Luke. But uh, all.

962
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:26,839
Speaker 1: Right, so that last thing, I'll go back to you one

963
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 1: more time. Do you think they make it or no?

964
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:32,800
Speaker 2: No, you heard, I hear. I heard enough in Dana's

965
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:35,400
Speaker 2: voice that you know, maybe for some of the reasons

966
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 2: I laid out, you don't want anything to do with

967
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:39,839
Speaker 2: that at the moment. And it is it is. By

968
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 2: the way, I'm not gonna act like you know, I'm

969
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 2: gonna pretend I'm some matchmaking and financials expert. Oh, it's

970
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:48,279
Speaker 2: it's it's certainly disappointing because that's a it's an absolute

971
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 2: slam dunk of a type of crossover fight that anyone

972
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 2: would understand and need to see. So it is a

973
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:55,240
Speaker 2: little sad because that seems to be what the UFC

974
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:55,800
Speaker 2: is all about.

975
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:57,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, and lastly, it's like, what is the point of

976
00:44:57,880 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 1: having all the fighters under one roof if we can't

977
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 1: get them to fight? It's like, okay, all right, whatever, Okay.

978
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:06,440
Speaker 1: With that in mind, we're going out to where you

979
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:08,759
Speaker 1: the viewer gets to ask a question. We always put

980
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:12,799
Speaker 1: a post up on Instagram twenty four hours before the

981
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:15,359
Speaker 1: show and we took your questions. It is time now

982
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:23,759
Speaker 1: for DMS some dogs. All right, there we have it,

983
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:26,719
Speaker 1: b C. I will go to you first on this one.

984
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:29,319
Speaker 1: The first question is from AT. This is PO two.

985
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 1: Is there a more pointless argument in MMA than who

986
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:37,800
Speaker 1: is the goat? Until Charlie's Zelenoff crosses over from boxing?

987
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:40,239
Speaker 1: There is the MMA goat? What do you think?

988
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:46,320
Speaker 2: Oh, Charlie z the unbeaten? Uh? Yeah, no, I I

989
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:49,400
Speaker 2: am a here's the deal. There's a lot of people

990
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 2: and it mostly starts with fighters, and I get it,

991
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:53,840
Speaker 2: but there's a lot of people who say you know,

992
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 2: pomp for pound rankings, they're stupid, Greatest of all time rankings.

993
00:45:57,120 --> 00:46:00,160
Speaker 2: They're stupid because there's a goat today, but somebody else

994
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:01,759
Speaker 2: is going to be the goat, you know, next year.

995
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:05,719
Speaker 2: Well the reason why this to me matters in its

996
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:08,759
Speaker 2: true currency is because, like it's the only way you

997
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:11,440
Speaker 2: really can rank guys in a sport where everyone doesn't

998
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:13,360
Speaker 2: face each other. There's way classes, there's a lot of

999
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 2: different things. So in a lot of ways, this is

1000
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:18,439
Speaker 2: the way to rank greatness. It's also kind of fun,

1001
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 2: you know. So fighters may say, oh, that's what all

1002
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 2: you nerdy journalists do in your basement. Well yeah, us

1003
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:26,360
Speaker 2: nerdy journalists also have hours to fill on radio and

1004
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 2: podcast shows and stories, so we do get into this stuff.

1005
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 2: It is interesting when somebody like Connor McGregor puts out

1006
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 2: like fifteen straight tweets with like a detailed breakdown on

1007
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:39,360
Speaker 2: who he believes is the goat. Now it can be

1008
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:42,279
Speaker 2: I get the frustration with an MMA because it's such

1009
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:45,440
Speaker 2: a new sport. So Amanda Nunas knocks out Cyborg and

1010
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:47,800
Speaker 2: she's the goat, So what happens if you know, somebody

1011
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 2: else beats Amanda Nuna's are they the goat. Well, no,

1012
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 2: but I don't think it has to be like a

1013
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 2: title that changes hands, you know, potentially every few months.

1014
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 2: But I do think it's important to sort of have

1015
00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 2: a working hierarchy. We've said that, you know, I've heard

1016
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 2: it said before in any sport that Hall of Fames

1017
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:05,319
Speaker 2: are great, but there's levels within hall of Fames. And

1018
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 2: I've always outlined that there's levels at the goat table, right,

1019
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 2: you know, I've always told you I think it's John Jones,

1020
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 2: gsp Anderson, Silva, Demitrius Johnson, Daniel Cormier and Fador. Those

1021
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 2: are the people who are allowed in the upper room

1022
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 2: at the moment. Disagree with that all you want. I

1023
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 2: think the floor below that are guys like jose Aldo

1024
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:25,840
Speaker 2: Connor McGregor, you know, Bjpenn. There's but there has to

1025
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:27,799
Speaker 2: be levels to this in the end, at the end

1026
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:29,759
Speaker 2: of the day. So no, I don't think a goat

1027
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 2: conversation is pointless. It feels time, it's fun, you know,

1028
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:35,400
Speaker 2: step off. Okay, if you only into this game for

1029
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:38,760
Speaker 2: the technique, then watch Morning Combat Dissected.

1030
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 1: All right, Yeah, which is a fine program, but certainly

1031
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 1: we'll not get to larger and broader conversations. I would say,

1032
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 1: I don't think that the goat conversation is pointless, in

1033
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:50,239
Speaker 1: part because it's simply inevitable. Right. People will have a

1034
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:53,759
Speaker 1: natural tendency to sort and rank. They want to know

1035
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 1: who is the best. It seems like an obvious question.

1036
00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:00,360
Speaker 1: It's a very simple question. It's just not one with

1037
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 1: an easy answer, and so it becomes a bit of

1038
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 1: a tedious debate. And I agree with you. All the

1039
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 1: names you mentioned, I would put them in that sort

1040
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:09,080
Speaker 1: of upper tier. And then from there, you know, the

1041
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:13,440
Speaker 1: problem is you can't standardize experiences, right, They're all not

1042
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 1: running the same obstacle course. They have to kind of

1043
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:19,920
Speaker 1: do their own obstacle courses through the course of their career.

1044
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:21,880
Speaker 1: And then you're trying to say, well, which one matters

1045
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:23,800
Speaker 1: more and what do you look for. What was interesting

1046
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:25,960
Speaker 1: about Connor's BC was that if you notice like what

1047
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 1: he didn't like lay out a definition of greatness, but

1048
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 1: if you just read between the lines to him, what

1049
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 1: constitutes greatness? By the way, again borrowing from Floyd's playbook

1050
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:37,719
Speaker 1: about you know, taking some time off, come back, start

1051
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:40,880
Speaker 1: declaring yourself tbe It's just like I mean to a

1052
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 1: t he's copying Floyd. But the thing I would say

1053
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:50,880
Speaker 1: is he doesn't care about the floor. He only cares

1054
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 1: about the ceiling. Right. Like all the guys you mentioned,

1055
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 1: they all have losses, but they all have these incredibly

1056
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:59,759
Speaker 1: long wind streaks too, right, consistency over time against what

1057
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:03,320
Speaker 1: is believed to be high level opposition. Connor doesn't necessarily

1058
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 1: have that. He's got wind streaks. Of course, he doesn't

1059
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 1: have that many losses. But what he's got all these

1060
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 1: like punctuated highs. And I'll say this, BC, I'll throw

1061
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:12,480
Speaker 1: it back to you on this one. What if he

1062
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:15,360
Speaker 1: I know you might say this is totally impossible, but

1063
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:20,239
Speaker 1: let's just say. Let's say he wins the welterweight strap, right,

1064
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 1: so then he becomes featherweight champ, lightweight champ, first to

1065
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:25,759
Speaker 1: hold it too at the same time, and then the

1066
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 1: first UFC fighter to win across three different weight classes,

1067
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:30,960
Speaker 1: and then let me let me, let me spice it

1068
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:33,279
Speaker 1: up a little bit even more. But then he can't

1069
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 1: beat number Gametov in a rematch, So now what is he? Right?

1070
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:40,480
Speaker 1: It makes the debate about what defines greatness very difficult

1071
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 1: because Connor does not have With Saint Pierre and Jones

1072
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:45,799
Speaker 1: and Johnson also in silver half. But he would have

1073
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:48,759
Speaker 1: something that they never even got close to. It's a

1074
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:49,960
Speaker 1: complicated debate.

1075
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 2: It is. It's a great debate. I love it, and

1076
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:53,879
Speaker 2: I love Pump for Pound even more, by the way,

1077
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 2: Like that's the only way you're gonna be able to

1078
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 2: sort of have a working idea of who's better than whom.

1079
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:00,879
Speaker 2: So eat it all, you people out there. Yeah and yeah,

1080
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:03,399
Speaker 2: Charlie's unbeaten. Keep it going. What else we got here?

1081
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 1: All right? At the drunk at the drunken Swan BC.

1082
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:09,920
Speaker 2: That's the guy first of all, Shout out to the

1083
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:13,960
Speaker 2: drunken swan. That's the guy who who floods my dms,

1084
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:16,040
Speaker 2: not with dongs but with good stuff. Shout out to

1085
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 2: that guy. He's a supplier, who.

1086
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 1: Gets who gets more dongs in their dms? You or

1087
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:21,560
Speaker 1: Laura Senko, I don't know.

1088
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:22,480
Speaker 2: Uh.

1089
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 1: If Trump loses in November, does Colby change his personality?

1090
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:28,680
Speaker 1: What do you think?

1091
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:30,400
Speaker 2: Uh?

1092
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:33,560
Speaker 1: Yes, here's the problem. Jorge is pro Trump. A lot

1093
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:37,239
Speaker 1: of fighters are pro Trump. Bryce Mitchell is pro Trump. Right,

1094
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:39,799
Speaker 1: they lean to the right and they're pro Trump. But

1095
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 1: Colby is something different. Colby is a Trump mascot, and

1096
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:45,880
Speaker 1: that changes the equation here a little bit.

1097
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 2: Well, Colby plays into the negative stereotypes like I believe

1098
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:52,320
Speaker 2: you can be pro Trump but not be like pro racism,

1099
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 2: Like you know there can be like distinctions within there.

1100
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:58,280
Speaker 2: But yes, Colby plays into the the arrogainst every single

1101
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:00,800
Speaker 2: element with that. No, I think he'll keep the gimmick.

1102
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1103
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:04,280
Speaker 2: I feel like Colby's time, even though like he showed

1104
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:06,279
Speaker 2: us a lot in that Usman fight, Like who's to

1105
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:09,239
Speaker 2: say he's going anywhere outside of leaving Att, which he

1106
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 2: announced the officially is. I feel like that gimmick doesn't

1107
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:15,799
Speaker 2: have much shelf life left. I feel like we saw

1108
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:19,320
Speaker 2: him slowly evolve in the build up to You know

1109
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 2: why the build up to the Usman fight wasn't fun

1110
00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:23,680
Speaker 2: because Colby wasn't Colby. He was like taking it serious.

1111
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 2: He was in the gym, he was actually working out.

1112
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:27,920
Speaker 2: I feel like we're gonna see more of just Colby

1113
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 2: the fighter in the end. I don't think you can

1114
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 2: keep that going now that we all know it's fake.

1115
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 2: And it's not that we didn't know that, but now

1116
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:36,879
Speaker 2: he's officially coming out in interviews and saying it's fake.

1117
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:40,799
Speaker 2: It's sort of like once people realize pro wrestling wasn't real, right,

1118
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 2: Like you can never go back to those days again,

1119
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:44,879
Speaker 2: you know, like where pro wrestling can still be fun,

1120
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 2: it can still have ebbs and flows. There's still moments

1121
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 2: where I get hooked. And I really enjoyed aw by

1122
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:51,520
Speaker 2: the way last night with Mike Tyson and all the

1123
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:55,440
Speaker 2: MMA guys. Shout out to them. But once it wasn't

1124
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 2: real anymore. It's sort of lost a you know, a

1125
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:02,959
Speaker 2: shirt and part of that conversation that are never coming back.

1126
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:07,120
Speaker 1: I just saw a highlight on Twitter and for some reason,

1127
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:09,960
Speaker 1: Tyson lost his shirt. I was like, are you well.

1128
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:14,960
Speaker 2: It wasn't like innovative stuff. It was cheesy and basic.

1129
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:17,440
Speaker 2: He took his shirt off. There was pushing, pulling, you know,

1130
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:20,800
Speaker 2: Rashat and Vitor there by the way, If or Belfort's

1131
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:22,719
Speaker 2: gonna be part of wrestling, could you please bring back

1132
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 2: the twenty thirteen mohawk and the twenty thirteen juice and

1133
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:28,360
Speaker 2: just trt yourself up. Maybe you already are, and I

1134
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:31,480
Speaker 2: support that. Go do that in one right, but come

1135
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:34,279
Speaker 2: out there and be an animal. But yeah, it's fine. Look,

1136
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:37,239
Speaker 2: it's fun to aw is the cool wrestling at the moment, Luke,

1137
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 2: I know you don't care. Ww sucks the horn right now.

1138
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:41,840
Speaker 2: So it was fun to see Tyson get the score

1139
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:43,640
Speaker 2: right on who he should be participating with.

1140
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:45,880
Speaker 1: Well, I'm a big Tony Khan fan, so anything he

1141
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:46,920
Speaker 1: does I wish success for.

1142
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:50,240
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, don't you slide in the men's DMS.

1143
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:53,759
Speaker 1: Yeah on occasion? All right? At nat RAJ eighteen oh

1144
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:57,160
Speaker 1: three BC, how do you see a prime Mike Tyson

1145
00:52:57,280 --> 00:53:01,760
Speaker 1: do against Wilder? How many seconds would would Wilder last?

1146
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 1: You mean before absolutely decapitating him? I don't know.

1147
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:11,279
Speaker 2: Well, look, that's a legitimate size difference, right, six foot

1148
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:14,440
Speaker 2: seven with really long arms, and Wilder against you know,

1149
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 2: five eleven Tyson. Obviously five eleven Tyson beat up on

1150
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:19,279
Speaker 2: a lot of tall guys and knows how to do it.

1151
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:23,839
Speaker 2: That's why inevitably Tyson's going to knock him out, because God,

1152
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:28,880
Speaker 2: like I always say, Luke, from a cultural standpoint, unless

1153
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:31,319
Speaker 2: you live the Mike Tyson experience in the eighties, you know,

1154
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:35,839
Speaker 2: including the including the Barbara Walters interview, including everything that

1155
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 2: went with that, you don't know it. Well, if you

1156
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:40,959
Speaker 2: didn't live it from the boxing part too. You don't

1157
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:46,239
Speaker 2: realize that. You know, he was technique wise, incredible, speed defense,

1158
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 2: pretty much everything incredible. He wasn't a wild slugger like

1159
00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 2: he kind of became post jail. Yeah, he's absolutely going

1160
00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:57,440
Speaker 2: to knock Deontay Wilder out. But sir, you know, if

1161
00:53:57,480 --> 00:54:00,520
Speaker 2: you're gonna take any raw person and that's while there

1162
00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:02,759
Speaker 2: and give them a puncher's chance, good god, it's him.

1163
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:06,040
Speaker 2: So that is a dream fight of beyond dream fights.

1164
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:09,840
Speaker 1: Did I tell you I spent the last week, maybe

1165
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:13,040
Speaker 1: an hour every night, breaking down his just throw my

1166
00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:18,000
Speaker 1: own personal modification, his peekaboo style, Tyson's pinkaboo style, how

1167
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:21,160
Speaker 1: he closed distance. I did not realize how much there was.

1168
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:22,279
Speaker 1: I mean, I knew there was a lot to it,

1169
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:25,760
Speaker 1: but I didn't realize how much there was to it. Wow.

1170
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:27,839
Speaker 1: I was sort of blown away. He gets kind of

1171
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:29,600
Speaker 1: known as being like, what did you want to watch

1172
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:31,879
Speaker 1: him for? Oh? It was like watching a lion catch

1173
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 1: a gazelle and eat it, right, that was sort of

1174
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:35,960
Speaker 1: what the value was. And again I'm not sitting here

1175
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:38,040
Speaker 1: saying he was as good as Ali or something like that.

1176
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:40,000
Speaker 1: I don't mean to suggest it as much, but or

1177
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:43,000
Speaker 1: even Lennox or holy Field for that matter. But I

1178
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:46,560
Speaker 1: do think that there is a level of technical sophistication

1179
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:50,560
Speaker 1: with what he was doing that doesn't get the proper credit.

1180
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:53,480
Speaker 1: And when you really begin to see the tiny details

1181
00:54:53,719 --> 00:54:56,280
Speaker 1: on how the footwork plays into the side to side

1182
00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:58,160
Speaker 1: and then the weaving side to side, and how he

1183
00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:01,840
Speaker 1: could switch dances, take an angle, go south paw, switch

1184
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:04,239
Speaker 1: it up, make it look like he wasn't just a

1185
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:06,360
Speaker 1: lot to it. I was kind of blown away by it.

1186
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:07,880
Speaker 1: It's very, very impressive what he did.

1187
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:10,520
Speaker 2: For a guy whose entry path is almost the most

1188
00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 2: dangerous way possible, right square up and sort of come

1189
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:17,680
Speaker 2: at you. His speed is frightening and his defensive responsibility

1190
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:19,640
Speaker 2: was incredible. And you know, this is where you give

1191
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:23,239
Speaker 2: so much credit to custom model, like he legitimately took

1192
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:27,000
Speaker 2: a raw being in this early teenage, thirteen year old

1193
00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:29,520
Speaker 2: or whatever, Mike Tyson who was like knocking out adults

1194
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:31,960
Speaker 2: at that point because the power was so ferocious and

1195
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:35,600
Speaker 2: brainwashed him into being an absolute destroyer who had the

1196
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:39,279
Speaker 2: full knowledge of boxing history. Right. They had that collection that,

1197
00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:41,800
Speaker 2: you know, the Jim Jacobs fight collection. They could you

1198
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:44,479
Speaker 2: know that no one else had that. Eventually ESPN bought

1199
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:47,760
Speaker 2: from them. I mean his knowledge of technique and history.

1200
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:51,000
Speaker 2: I mean, he was like the perfect specimen. It's just

1201
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:53,960
Speaker 2: obviously it's a shame that, you know, the Don King

1202
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:57,680
Speaker 2: influence and the Robin Gibbons influence. Eventually everyone that cared

1203
00:55:57,680 --> 00:56:00,920
Speaker 2: about Mike distissipated, and that's why his skills went with it.

1204
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:04,719
Speaker 2: But you know, at his short absolute prime, like, give

1205
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:06,560
Speaker 2: that killer the respect he deserves.

1206
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:09,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, when you watch him the and they and you

1207
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:12,160
Speaker 1: see it executed, you're right. Most like Tony Ferguson, I

1208
00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:14,960
Speaker 1: showed him dissected when he would go square, Tony, he

1209
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:17,680
Speaker 1: got lit up by Justin Gaechee. But the Pikaboo style

1210
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:22,800
Speaker 1: entry is predicated on being fully square, biggest target possible

1211
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:26,040
Speaker 1: in technical terms, in front of your opponent. He would

1212
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:28,920
Speaker 1: just waltz right in. Amazing. All right, we go to

1213
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:34,960
Speaker 1: at Taylor, Uh excuse me, at Tylrians, who has the

1214
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:37,080
Speaker 1: best dad bod in the fight game? BC?

1215
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:42,680
Speaker 2: Well, is that a Naxie moron saying best dad bod?

1216
00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:46,320
Speaker 1: Because Uh, who's the who's the best fighter with a

1217
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:47,319
Speaker 1: dad bod?

1218
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:51,240
Speaker 2: Uh? Weird? Ben Rothwell, he's got he's got a pretty

1219
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:51,920
Speaker 2: good I.

1220
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:54,040
Speaker 1: Mean it's not really a dad bob, that's like a.

1221
00:56:55,560 --> 00:56:57,600
Speaker 2: The answer is Daniel Cormiller. I mean he's thick with

1222
00:56:57,640 --> 00:57:01,080
Speaker 2: about four c's at this point. But uh, but you know,

1223
00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:04,680
Speaker 2: he's almost a special, unique individual. You know. I respect

1224
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:08,120
Speaker 2: guys like Rothwell whose who looks sloppy, not not sloppy

1225
00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:10,359
Speaker 2: in a Roy Nelson way that's almost gross, but who

1226
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:14,280
Speaker 2: sort of looks sloppy yet could absolutely, you know, dismember

1227
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:15,480
Speaker 2: you in ten different ways.

1228
00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:18,920
Speaker 1: I'd say shout outs to Eric Spicey. Very good fighter,

1229
00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:21,440
Speaker 1: you know, not exactly I like Eric. I don't think

1230
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:24,600
Speaker 1: he's gonna win anybody building contest, but very good fighter.

1231
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:25,960
Speaker 1: He got a bit of an old dad body, had

1232
00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:31,280
Speaker 1: a great fight against Deron Winn who else anyone else there?

1233
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:34,440
Speaker 1: And like that light heavy sort of like welter ish.

1234
00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:37,120
Speaker 1: Everyone is so cut down in weight. It's really only

1235
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:39,160
Speaker 1: the heavyweights or like two oh five and up, and

1236
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:40,440
Speaker 1: specially I think it's one eighty five.

1237
00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:44,200
Speaker 2: So yeah, all right, all right, what about Jay? What

1238
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:46,600
Speaker 2: about Jay the producer? He's he's you know, he's staying

1239
00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:47,320
Speaker 2: pretty fit.

1240
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:50,280
Speaker 1: For when he's not spinning back you at your ryah hall.

1241
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:52,480
Speaker 1: I guess he has to we need to get.

1242
00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:54,720
Speaker 2: Hall on this and make Jay answer for his sins.

1243
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:56,800
Speaker 1: Yeah he really, he really needs to talk about that

1244
00:57:56,840 --> 00:58:00,520
Speaker 1: all right. Lastly, at Jonah Griff underscore what would Luke

1245
00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:05,240
Speaker 1: and Bryan's call signs be if they were fighter jet pilots?

1246
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:11,680
Speaker 2: Top gun Baby? Yeah? Yeah? Do you think myself a goose? Right?

1247
00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:13,600
Speaker 2: I I sort of fit that mold, right.

1248
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:16,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess so. I definitely see myself as Val

1249
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:18,520
Speaker 1: Kilmer in that movie. For sure.

1250
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:21,760
Speaker 2: I would take you on the Highway to the danger Zone.

1251
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:26,840
Speaker 1: Okay. I was bitter that the pandemic pushed back the sequel.

1252
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:28,680
Speaker 1: I know, I know, it's the song, I get it.

1253
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:29,880
Speaker 1: I just no sold it.

1254
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:33,840
Speaker 2: No that Jay putting up the nineties counter Okay.

1255
00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:36,200
Speaker 1: Uh, they the sequel was supposed to be out with

1256
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:39,320
Speaker 1: Tom Cruise is now a essentially what would be a

1257
00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:45,160
Speaker 1: Marine Corps colonel an six still fighting jet pilots or

1258
00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:49,280
Speaker 1: still being a jet pilot and you know, totally absurd premise.

1259
00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:51,720
Speaker 1: But okay, neither here nor there. Uh do you have

1260
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:52,960
Speaker 1: an idea what they would call you?

1261
00:58:57,040 --> 00:59:01,120
Speaker 2: Uh, heavy bulge? I don't know, you know what whatever.

1262
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:05,280
Speaker 1: Whatever heavy bulge, They would not call you heavy bulge. Okay,

1263
00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:08,760
Speaker 1: they probably call you soup because of Campbell's.

1264
00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:11,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's probably true. They probably yeah, that's probably true.

1265
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:15,280
Speaker 1: Yeah. Uh. Some of the dudes in the Marines called me, uh,

1266
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:20,080
Speaker 1: dino dino dinosaur because I was just.

1267
00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:22,760
Speaker 2: Because of your archaic views on life and women or what.

1268
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:25,960
Speaker 1: You're the one with archaic views on women, motherfucker, not me.

1269
00:59:26,280 --> 00:59:29,320
Speaker 1: You're the one who's like BC literally believes in honor killings.

1270
00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:31,600
Speaker 1: That's a true thing. Uh No, just be what I

1271
00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:35,480
Speaker 1: I was, large and lumbering. There you go. Uh, okay, BC,

1272
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:38,040
Speaker 1: speaking of all the things you do that's crazy, it's

1273
00:59:38,040 --> 00:59:39,560
Speaker 1: time for your portion of the show. Gets art take

1274
00:59:39,560 --> 00:59:39,920
Speaker 1: it away.

1275
00:59:40,560 --> 00:59:42,480
Speaker 2: All right. I've said this before, but I will say

1276
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:44,920
Speaker 2: it again. This might be the best we've ever had.

1277
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:47,640
Speaker 2: We scour the globe for the good and bad, the

1278
00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:50,520
Speaker 2: highs and lows and in between. In combat sports, it's

1279
00:59:50,520 --> 00:59:53,160
Speaker 2: have you seen this shit? Luke? I'm telling you I

1280
00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:59,600
Speaker 2: got gold today. So get ready, get ready, right, juice up,

1281
00:59:59,720 --> 01:00:01,880
Speaker 2: three needles, juice up? All right, here we go, Here

1282
01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:04,680
Speaker 2: we go, Luke. We always start with sending somebody to

1283
01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:09,400
Speaker 2: hell in traditional combat sports. How about this brutal chao

1284
01:00:09,560 --> 01:00:13,320
Speaker 2: to the face. Oh, my god, Luke, Oh god, kickboxing, come.

1285
01:00:13,160 --> 01:00:16,840
Speaker 1: At me, bro step through knee Jesus right after the

1286
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:19,920
Speaker 1: ref breaks them. Nope, just jabbed his way in, popped them.

1287
01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:22,000
Speaker 2: I don't have a name, I don't have a promotion,

1288
01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:23,600
Speaker 2: but what this looks rushing to me?

1289
01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:26,200
Speaker 1: You have you seen those memes? That's like my plans

1290
01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:30,280
Speaker 1: than twenty twenty. Yes, yes, this is once he's on

1291
01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:32,480
Speaker 1: the canvas. It's twenty twenty, all right.

1292
01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:34,480
Speaker 2: A lot of people really into this. In my DMS

1293
01:00:34,560 --> 01:00:39,000
Speaker 2: Fight Time Promotions, thirty four is the card. Lewis Gomez

1294
01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:42,919
Speaker 2: is the man with the arm drag. Ko check this

1295
01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:44,080
Speaker 2: ish out, Luke.

1296
01:00:44,600 --> 01:00:47,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not an arm drag.

1297
01:00:48,760 --> 01:00:52,040
Speaker 2: Sorry, sorry, Judoka, please break down the technique for us.

1298
01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:56,480
Speaker 1: This is a failed drop, say Anagi. Uh, he was

1299
01:00:56,520 --> 01:00:58,960
Speaker 1: supposed to go ass over tea kettle. He just took

1300
01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:02,040
Speaker 1: him face first. An arm drag, you'd be pulling to

1301
01:01:02,040 --> 01:01:04,320
Speaker 1: take a side, to take the back. That's a that's

1302
01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:05,320
Speaker 1: a drop, Sayanagi.

1303
01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:08,600
Speaker 2: He may have did a miaji do karate, but it worked.

1304
01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:09,520
Speaker 2: Look he knocked the dude out.

1305
01:01:09,560 --> 01:01:11,200
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, he certainly did. It's the best

1306
01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:14,640
Speaker 1: failed it's the best failed drop. Saanagia I've ever seen.

1307
01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:18,000
Speaker 2: All right, shout out to Fight Time Promotions on that. Hey,

1308
01:01:18,040 --> 01:01:20,600
Speaker 2: it's pandemic time, so we get a lot of craziness.

1309
01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:23,400
Speaker 2: Here's a fight in a home depot parking lot. Don't

1310
01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:25,280
Speaker 2: get wet here. This is a look at the what.

1311
01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:27,800
Speaker 2: Don't get caught watching the paint dry here, Luke, this

1312
01:01:27,960 --> 01:01:31,040
Speaker 2: is great stuff right here. There's old guy going after

1313
01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:32,320
Speaker 2: that you know, bro.

1314
01:01:32,320 --> 01:01:35,600
Speaker 1: They're fighting with they're fighting with raw materials. Bro.

1315
01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:38,800
Speaker 2: I know. Look he's slapping some stocked and slap. He

1316
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:40,120
Speaker 2: got that guy covered in paint.

1317
01:01:40,240 --> 01:01:43,120
Speaker 1: I mean here, it gets so real in the home

1318
01:01:43,160 --> 01:01:46,240
Speaker 1: depot parking lot because there's dudes out there looking for work.

1319
01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:48,200
Speaker 1: You get to sit there and watch him make deals.

1320
01:01:48,560 --> 01:01:51,919
Speaker 1: People are angling for, you know, a parking spot. They're

1321
01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:54,040
Speaker 1: trying to get the raw materials. They're backed up, Bro,

1322
01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:56,640
Speaker 1: it is it is the real deal, Holy Field out

1323
01:01:56,680 --> 01:01:57,520
Speaker 1: there in the parking lot.

1324
01:01:59,000 --> 01:02:00,760
Speaker 2: Uh. This is a pretty good fight though. Shout out

1325
01:02:00,800 --> 01:02:03,040
Speaker 2: to is that Jeff Goldblum, No, no, no, no.

1326
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:04,280
Speaker 1: I think that's Jeff Wagenheim.

1327
01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:08,440
Speaker 2: That is Jeff Wlackenheim. Yes, wow, this may be outside

1328
01:02:08,440 --> 01:02:09,920
Speaker 2: the med dealer.

1329
01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:15,600
Speaker 1: Wagenheim Jeff Wagenheim is fucking up these uh parking lot

1330
01:02:15,600 --> 01:02:16,560
Speaker 1: home depot workers.

1331
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:19,520
Speaker 2: It was a cannabis delivery day and they were out.

1332
01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:25,240
Speaker 2: So our buddy Wag's going off. Wow is that Mike Chiapetta?

1333
01:02:25,280 --> 01:02:27,560
Speaker 2: He just look out? All right, okay, hey, let's roll

1334
01:02:27,600 --> 01:02:33,400
Speaker 2: on here. Remember we had a break up that wrestling

1335
01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:35,760
Speaker 2: match in Armenia a couple of weeks ago. Check out

1336
01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:38,960
Speaker 2: this backyard boxing. I don't know where this is, but

1337
01:02:39,120 --> 01:02:42,240
Speaker 2: check out the lady and the phone the baby. First

1338
01:02:42,240 --> 01:02:45,000
Speaker 2: of all, sick knockout by Blue Gloves, but check out

1339
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:49,200
Speaker 2: this mama with the baby. Don't with that, don't don't

1340
01:02:49,320 --> 01:02:52,960
Speaker 2: f with Oh my god, look she's coming for that ass.

1341
01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:55,439
Speaker 1: Luke bro. She might she should have been the one

1342
01:02:55,440 --> 01:02:57,000
Speaker 1: that gloved up with the guy.

1343
01:02:57,880 --> 01:02:58,800
Speaker 2: She's in that ass.

1344
01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:02,400
Speaker 1: Look at her, dude. She literally said, hold my baby,

1345
01:03:02,440 --> 01:03:04,840
Speaker 1: and then she jumped over the top while its body

1346
01:03:04,840 --> 01:03:07,200
Speaker 1: shot over the top and then another left hook. That's

1347
01:03:07,240 --> 01:03:07,920
Speaker 1: a nice job.

1348
01:03:09,240 --> 01:03:11,240
Speaker 2: Do you think she's the mother of Red Gloves, the

1349
01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:13,680
Speaker 2: lover of red Gloves, the grandma? What are we doing here?

1350
01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:15,439
Speaker 2: I mean, spicy Latin women, this is your.

1351
01:03:16,280 --> 01:03:19,600
Speaker 1: She'd be the aboila, which means the grandmother, and for

1352
01:03:19,680 --> 01:03:22,680
Speaker 1: sure she's the Look at her, dude, She's like, doesn't

1353
01:03:22,680 --> 01:03:24,400
Speaker 1: give a fuck about her hairstyle anymore, but she still

1354
01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:27,280
Speaker 1: will put hands on you like doesn't care anymore. Bro,

1355
01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:28,320
Speaker 1: that's you love.

1356
01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:31,280
Speaker 2: Look, Luke, you this is spicy women one on one

1357
01:03:31,320 --> 01:03:33,160
Speaker 2: oh one for you. This is great love.

1358
01:03:33,200 --> 01:03:34,920
Speaker 1: That is what I live my life for. BC. I

1359
01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:36,320
Speaker 1: live my life for Latin women.

1360
01:03:36,360 --> 01:03:38,680
Speaker 2: By the way, I only show you respect. The fact

1361
01:03:38,680 --> 01:03:40,240
Speaker 2: that your first date with your wife was at a

1362
01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:42,480
Speaker 2: shooting range, like the cannibal corpse stuff is weird, but

1363
01:03:42,640 --> 01:03:45,360
Speaker 2: like that's on brand for you guys. You know, shout

1364
01:03:45,360 --> 01:03:48,520
Speaker 2: out to your to your your your love story. There. Hey,

1365
01:03:48,560 --> 01:03:51,320
Speaker 2: let's we we did a grandma a nice thing to

1366
01:03:51,360 --> 01:03:55,560
Speaker 2: pick up. Uh yeah, indeed, check out this grandpa fail here. Look,

1367
01:03:55,640 --> 01:03:57,440
Speaker 2: every old guy wants to be cool and join the

1368
01:03:57,480 --> 01:03:59,840
Speaker 2: party and grab the funnel. But this what the hell?

1369
01:04:00,120 --> 01:04:01,920
Speaker 2: That's not how you do it, Luke, that is not

1370
01:04:02,160 --> 01:04:02,880
Speaker 2: How is.

1371
01:04:02,840 --> 01:04:04,480
Speaker 1: This one of those porn videos you were talking about

1372
01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:05,520
Speaker 1: where they were peeing on each other?

1373
01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:06,400
Speaker 2: Was this one?

1374
01:04:07,880 --> 01:04:08,120
Speaker 1: I know?

1375
01:04:08,240 --> 01:04:11,720
Speaker 2: This guy's trying to relive his glory days at Marquette

1376
01:04:11,720 --> 01:04:13,840
Speaker 2: in the early seventies, right when he played quarters with

1377
01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:15,360
Speaker 2: his friends I mean, come on, guy.

1378
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:18,400
Speaker 1: Dude, what is he drinking? There's nothing left?

1379
01:04:19,120 --> 01:04:23,200
Speaker 2: Well you no, come on, don't look at look at grandpa.

1380
01:04:23,360 --> 01:04:25,480
Speaker 2: Stay away from that, Luke, this trunk and.

1381
01:04:25,600 --> 01:04:27,520
Speaker 1: I like, look like what he takes it out. He

1382
01:04:27,560 --> 01:04:30,360
Speaker 1: takes it out like all triumphantly watch this. I watched it. Ready,

1383
01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:34,919
Speaker 1: here we go? Ready, takes it out. He goes, look

1384
01:04:34,920 --> 01:04:35,280
Speaker 1: at this.

1385
01:04:36,720 --> 01:04:39,320
Speaker 2: Crushed it well to be to be fair, he drank

1386
01:04:39,360 --> 01:04:42,440
Speaker 2: it with his eyeballs and his nose. So, Luke, pause

1387
01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:45,560
Speaker 2: the video here, Jay, this guy can't drink, but I'm

1388
01:04:45,600 --> 01:04:48,720
Speaker 2: about to show you somebody who can. Luke. I don't

1389
01:04:48,760 --> 01:04:51,520
Speaker 2: know how I came into contact with this fella. His

1390
01:04:51,600 --> 01:04:54,760
Speaker 2: real name is Tom Dowd. He goes by at Ronnie

1391
01:04:54,840 --> 01:04:59,400
Speaker 2: Deutsch on Instagram. This man where I come from, we

1392
01:04:59,400 --> 01:05:03,360
Speaker 2: would call him a diesel man. He can handle his stuff.

1393
01:05:03,680 --> 01:05:06,000
Speaker 2: Are you ready to meet Ronnie Douys? Are you ready

1394
01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:09,919
Speaker 2: for this? All? Right? Here we go. These are three

1395
01:05:10,120 --> 01:05:15,560
Speaker 2: twenty two ounce stella artoas funneled together with a makeshift

1396
01:05:15,680 --> 01:05:19,560
Speaker 2: poland spring top. Tell me if you give any respect

1397
01:05:19,600 --> 01:05:21,440
Speaker 2: to to what this man's about to do here.

1398
01:05:21,360 --> 01:05:23,800
Speaker 1: Luke, let's see how he does.

1399
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:26,360
Speaker 2: I don't know this. I don't know this guy personally,

1400
01:05:26,440 --> 01:05:28,960
Speaker 2: I can't vouch for him, but this is heroic.

1401
01:05:29,800 --> 01:05:32,440
Speaker 1: This guy is the Asa Kira of beers.

1402
01:05:33,320 --> 01:05:35,880
Speaker 2: He's the John Jones. Well, actually that might be too true,

1403
01:05:35,880 --> 01:05:38,520
Speaker 2: but yeah, you know, yeah, he's the Sada hata oh

1404
01:05:38,680 --> 01:05:39,920
Speaker 2: of slamming beers.

1405
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:44,520
Speaker 1: Luke, I have to admit that's pretty impressive. He's the

1406
01:05:44,600 --> 01:05:47,840
Speaker 1: Peter North right, No, no, no, he was the that

1407
01:05:47,880 --> 01:05:50,000
Speaker 1: would be the person that on the receiving end of

1408
01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:50,560
Speaker 1: Peter North.

1409
01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:54,400
Speaker 2: He's the Lyle and Eric Menendez. All right, let's go

1410
01:05:54,480 --> 01:05:57,720
Speaker 2: on to his next trick. The last dance concluded and

1411
01:05:57,760 --> 01:06:01,160
Speaker 2: we broke all that down. Here's this guy to celebrating

1412
01:06:01,160 --> 01:06:02,120
Speaker 2: the last.

1413
01:06:01,640 --> 01:06:04,000
Speaker 1: London keys of beer.

1414
01:06:04,720 --> 01:06:09,840
Speaker 2: Yes, in his Jordan throwback, Luke, this is six pints

1415
01:06:10,320 --> 01:06:13,720
Speaker 2: six pints of uh. I believe Miller light. Does that

1416
01:06:13,760 --> 01:06:14,800
Speaker 2: look miller lightish to you?

1417
01:06:15,120 --> 01:06:17,520
Speaker 1: It looks that way. Wow?

1418
01:06:17,680 --> 01:06:20,000
Speaker 2: I mean, are you giving this respect? I mean you're

1419
01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:26,440
Speaker 2: gonna put some respect on this man's name? Wow.

1420
01:06:26,800 --> 01:06:28,880
Speaker 1: Wow. He took a bit of a pause there between

1421
01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:30,880
Speaker 1: three and four. Luke.

1422
01:06:30,960 --> 01:06:33,000
Speaker 2: You remember that old guy they had on The Man Show,

1423
01:06:33,040 --> 01:06:36,000
Speaker 2: the ziggy Zogi guy. Yeah, I think I think this guy,

1424
01:06:36,080 --> 01:06:38,280
Speaker 2: Ronnie Joyce could take him. I sincerely do I know

1425
01:06:38,320 --> 01:06:41,520
Speaker 2: that guy died shortly after, so good luck, good luck Ronnie.

1426
01:06:41,520 --> 01:06:47,480
Speaker 1: But uh wow, Luke, he's impressive. He's impressive.

1427
01:06:47,960 --> 01:06:50,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's going to the fast food right now. If

1428
01:06:50,800 --> 01:06:53,760
Speaker 2: that didn't impress you, Luke, then tell me if this does.

1429
01:06:54,120 --> 01:06:58,280
Speaker 2: This is seventy two ounces of beer inside of one

1430
01:06:58,360 --> 01:07:00,000
Speaker 2: giant glass. Can we roll the next one?

1431
01:07:00,120 --> 01:07:04,160
Speaker 1: Jay, He's like a little John.

1432
01:07:04,920 --> 01:07:06,680
Speaker 2: How long do you think it would take this guy

1433
01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:11,160
Speaker 2: to drink that? How about eleven seconds? Luke, I'm telling

1434
01:07:11,160 --> 01:07:13,360
Speaker 2: you your organs would shut down? Right? What is this

1435
01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:14,040
Speaker 2: man made of?

1436
01:07:14,720 --> 01:07:18,160
Speaker 1: So he's like the Joey Chestnut slash to KARRYO Kobayashi

1437
01:07:18,160 --> 01:07:19,160
Speaker 1: of beer? Is that the idea?

1438
01:07:19,320 --> 01:07:22,560
Speaker 2: Yes? Yes he is, Yes he is. That is incredible.

1439
01:07:22,600 --> 01:07:24,680
Speaker 2: I got one more for you. Tell me if you're impressed.

1440
01:07:25,400 --> 01:07:27,840
Speaker 2: You gotta be a special individual to pull this one off, Luke.

1441
01:07:27,880 --> 01:07:28,840
Speaker 2: You gotta be about I.

1442
01:07:28,800 --> 01:07:32,680
Speaker 1: Bet his piss stinks, Yeah you got.

1443
01:07:32,840 --> 01:07:34,720
Speaker 2: I'd like to see his driving record. You gotta be

1444
01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:36,760
Speaker 2: about six ' five, Luke and be able to pull

1445
01:07:36,800 --> 01:07:39,120
Speaker 2: this off. But you know, I like basketball and I

1446
01:07:39,160 --> 01:07:42,640
Speaker 2: like drinking. This is very impressive, right, here chota beer.

1447
01:07:43,280 --> 01:07:44,760
Speaker 1: He's got his Daniel Kormier gear on.

1448
01:07:45,480 --> 01:07:48,760
Speaker 2: Yep, yep. I tell you this could win the dunk contest.

1449
01:07:48,840 --> 01:07:49,040
Speaker 1: Right.

1450
01:07:49,280 --> 01:07:50,720
Speaker 2: This is way better than Spudweb.

1451
01:07:52,440 --> 01:07:55,680
Speaker 1: That's pretty cool. I like that chugging a beer between

1452
01:07:55,720 --> 01:07:57,600
Speaker 1: the bounces. All right, I'll give him respect.

1453
01:07:57,800 --> 01:08:00,400
Speaker 2: That's good as long as he has an new driver.

1454
01:08:00,480 --> 01:08:02,360
Speaker 2: I'm down with this guy. All right. Let's speaking of

1455
01:08:02,400 --> 01:08:06,120
Speaker 2: bad driving, Luke. It's boat season coming up right now.

1456
01:08:06,400 --> 01:08:09,320
Speaker 2: Uh check check out how this one ends, Luke. You

1457
01:08:09,400 --> 01:08:11,240
Speaker 2: any you hang out in any lakes in the Greater

1458
01:08:11,320 --> 01:08:12,320
Speaker 2: DC area.

1459
01:08:12,040 --> 01:08:12,640
Speaker 1: Over the summer?

1460
01:08:12,720 --> 01:08:12,800
Speaker 2: No?

1461
01:08:13,160 --> 01:08:13,920
Speaker 1: Fuck? No?

1462
01:08:14,360 --> 01:08:16,040
Speaker 2: All right, well you can hire this guy to drive

1463
01:08:16,080 --> 01:08:19,760
Speaker 2: you in in uh, in your family around. He's he's

1464
01:08:19,800 --> 01:08:21,360
Speaker 2: coming on shore to park it, Luke.

1465
01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:27,519
Speaker 1: Is that the dude with no neck from ninety Day Fiance? Big?

1466
01:08:29,120 --> 01:08:29,280
Speaker 2: You know?

1467
01:08:29,320 --> 01:08:31,320
Speaker 1: I'm talking about that dude who flew all the way

1468
01:08:31,320 --> 01:08:33,439
Speaker 1: to Thailand and made some lady take an STD test.

1469
01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:35,800
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think he drove the boat there and this is.

1470
01:08:36,000 --> 01:08:39,360
Speaker 1: This is what he did again again. Here's him driving

1471
01:08:39,360 --> 01:08:41,080
Speaker 1: the boat my plans and then when he wrecks it

1472
01:08:41,200 --> 01:08:42,880
Speaker 1: twenty twenty.

1473
01:08:43,040 --> 01:08:44,840
Speaker 2: Well one more of though, is let's check out this

1474
01:08:44,960 --> 01:08:47,760
Speaker 2: Asian moped driver, Luke, this is this ain't gonna end

1475
01:08:47,800 --> 01:08:49,840
Speaker 2: good either. This is why you don't drink and drive, Luke,

1476
01:08:49,920 --> 01:08:54,200
Speaker 2: call uber. Look at this. Oh god, the only.

1477
01:08:54,000 --> 01:08:55,800
Speaker 1: Thing missing from this clip is the fact that the

1478
01:08:56,120 --> 01:08:57,160
Speaker 1: driver is not elderly.

1479
01:08:59,160 --> 01:09:01,759
Speaker 2: Luke, I'm trying to figure out who is the reigning

1480
01:09:01,840 --> 01:09:04,160
Speaker 2: champion of Have you seen this ship right now? It's

1481
01:09:04,200 --> 01:09:06,120
Speaker 2: that guy Ronnie Deutsch, the bear drinker. But I'm gonna

1482
01:09:06,120 --> 01:09:08,120
Speaker 2: bring this Asian fella back into your life. Are you

1483
01:09:08,160 --> 01:09:10,640
Speaker 2: impressed with this trick? And I know this guy is

1484
01:09:10,840 --> 01:09:14,240
Speaker 2: the guy who yan his tiny genital. Yeah. I heard

1485
01:09:14,320 --> 01:09:16,400
Speaker 2: he pitched for the Yankees. Oh sorry, that guy's coming

1486
01:09:16,439 --> 01:09:19,400
Speaker 2: up next. Check out this two cousins. The younger one

1487
01:09:19,520 --> 01:09:22,519
Speaker 2: challenged the older one to a dual football style. He

1488
01:09:22,560 --> 01:09:24,479
Speaker 2: put on the pads. Look, I think this is how

1489
01:09:24,520 --> 01:09:28,280
Speaker 2: Aaron Byrd died. Check this out.

1490
01:09:29,040 --> 01:09:32,200
Speaker 1: Dude, you got the count refrigerators, they get all.

1491
01:09:34,600 --> 01:09:35,439
Speaker 2: You got jacked up.

1492
01:09:35,560 --> 01:09:39,799
Speaker 1: Oh he got lifted out of his feet.

1493
01:09:41,040 --> 01:09:41,439
Speaker 2: Wow.

1494
01:09:42,080 --> 01:09:44,880
Speaker 1: Wow, that was dude. The other one just had a

1495
01:09:44,880 --> 01:09:46,920
Speaker 1: good better you know, he just had a nice running start. Man,

1496
01:09:46,960 --> 01:09:50,200
Speaker 1: I was great. You know a jor you know a junior,

1497
01:09:50,280 --> 01:09:53,679
Speaker 1: You'll learn a valuable lesson today, Luke.

1498
01:09:53,520 --> 01:09:55,320
Speaker 2: You and I would not be a good match for this.

1499
01:09:55,439 --> 01:09:59,400
Speaker 2: I'm a I'm a very uh uh skinny fella. Well,

1500
01:09:59,400 --> 01:10:01,240
Speaker 2: I'm skinny and f at the same time. But what

1501
01:10:01,320 --> 01:10:04,040
Speaker 2: if we got Ronnie Deutsch, the six foot five drinking legend,

1502
01:10:04,120 --> 01:10:07,120
Speaker 2: and lined him up like this against you, full duel style.

1503
01:10:07,520 --> 01:10:09,880
Speaker 1: See, here's the thing. He'd probably win, right, because the

1504
01:10:09,960 --> 01:10:13,280
Speaker 1: key to this is Luke, who gets the running start first? Right,

1505
01:10:13,320 --> 01:10:15,519
Speaker 1: he had that momentum built. I think that guy'd be

1506
01:10:15,560 --> 01:10:17,639
Speaker 1: quicker than me, so he probably he'd probably just win.

1507
01:10:18,400 --> 01:10:19,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, you gotta get low too. I don't think you

1508
01:10:19,960 --> 01:10:23,559
Speaker 2: can bend over anymore. No, right, let's go to the

1509
01:10:23,600 --> 01:10:27,400
Speaker 2: Asian guy. Let's check out this week's trick. I'm down

1510
01:10:27,479 --> 01:10:28,680
Speaker 2: with this, Luke. I think this is one of the

1511
01:10:28,760 --> 01:10:30,200
Speaker 2: rare ones he does I can pull off.

1512
01:10:31,160 --> 01:10:33,240
Speaker 1: This is me in the morning, trying to, you know,

1513
01:10:34,160 --> 01:10:38,480
Speaker 1: go to the bathroom.

1514
01:10:38,520 --> 01:10:40,559
Speaker 2: All right, let's go out to the next one. Check

1515
01:10:40,560 --> 01:10:42,960
Speaker 2: out the balls on this debt left shrendth Look like

1516
01:10:43,040 --> 01:10:43,720
Speaker 2: you remember that guy?

1517
01:10:43,800 --> 01:10:43,960
Speaker 1: Right?

1518
01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:47,320
Speaker 2: Great sonics forward? What are the balls on him? To

1519
01:10:47,360 --> 01:10:47,760
Speaker 2: wear this?

1520
01:10:47,920 --> 01:10:48,160
Speaker 1: Luke?

1521
01:10:48,200 --> 01:10:48,600
Speaker 2: What is it?

1522
01:10:49,040 --> 01:10:49,120
Speaker 1: Is?

1523
01:10:49,160 --> 01:10:50,680
Speaker 2: This art? Are we are?

1524
01:10:51,520 --> 01:10:52,320
Speaker 1: Is our art?

1525
01:10:52,400 --> 01:10:54,840
Speaker 2: Luke, what is this, dude?

1526
01:10:54,840 --> 01:10:57,920
Speaker 1: What bet did he lose that this ended up being

1527
01:10:57,960 --> 01:10:59,960
Speaker 1: his life? Yeah?

1528
01:11:00,040 --> 01:11:04,640
Speaker 2: Wow, great great eurro mullet though. Shout out to that. Indeed,

1529
01:11:04,840 --> 01:11:07,800
Speaker 2: this uh don't play right? Yeah, Rocky Mountain, I like that.

1530
01:11:07,840 --> 01:11:10,760
Speaker 2: Shout out to that. I want to close with this. Look,

1531
01:11:10,880 --> 01:11:12,639
Speaker 2: there are people that are saying, Luke, you're a big

1532
01:11:12,680 --> 01:11:16,920
Speaker 2: COVID nineteen head that we may never shake hands again.

1533
01:11:17,000 --> 01:11:19,920
Speaker 2: We're certainly not doing tip to tip again, Luke, We're

1534
01:11:19,960 --> 01:11:21,240
Speaker 2: gonna have to find someone.

1535
01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:26,759
Speaker 1: We've never done tip to tip. Brian where I am

1536
01:11:27,040 --> 01:11:28,280
Speaker 1: just go ahea, don't cause I can't even do it.

1537
01:11:28,320 --> 01:11:30,400
Speaker 2: I don't get down like that. Don't don't put stuff

1538
01:11:30,439 --> 01:11:32,519
Speaker 2: on me. I don't get down like that. My wife

1539
01:11:32,600 --> 01:11:35,360
Speaker 2: and I entertained people in our backyard over the weekend

1540
01:11:35,360 --> 01:11:37,800
Speaker 2: for Memorial Day, and when they came over, we had

1541
01:11:37,800 --> 01:11:40,160
Speaker 2: to awkwardly like, what do we do bash brothers? Do

1542
01:11:40,240 --> 01:11:43,479
Speaker 2: we do fist bumps? Do we do like elbow fives?

1543
01:11:43,880 --> 01:11:46,799
Speaker 2: Check out these Indian boys. They may have the newest

1544
01:11:46,800 --> 01:11:51,320
Speaker 2: thing during COVID. Luke to greet people that, right, there

1545
01:11:51,360 --> 01:12:01,040
Speaker 2: is innovation. Look, Jack, can you shoeman in their chick?

1546
01:12:04,960 --> 01:12:10,640
Speaker 1: This is the dumbest show on the internet.

1547
01:12:11,040 --> 01:12:15,439
Speaker 2: I none of your fluids right there, Luke. But that

1548
01:12:15,600 --> 01:12:19,240
Speaker 2: is oh wow, yeah.

1549
01:12:18,320 --> 01:12:20,040
Speaker 1: What do you even call it? What do you call this?

1550
01:12:21,400 --> 01:12:25,760
Speaker 2: Uh? I don't know, I don't know. Wow, that is uh.

1551
01:12:25,880 --> 01:12:27,640
Speaker 2: I would do that with you, Luke. I would do

1552
01:12:27,680 --> 01:12:28,559
Speaker 2: that with you, all right.

1553
01:12:28,680 --> 01:12:32,519
Speaker 1: The old the old trouser shake, I mean the trouser greeting.

1554
01:12:32,520 --> 01:12:34,320
Speaker 1: I mean the trouser something. I don't know.

1555
01:12:35,000 --> 01:12:37,040
Speaker 2: That's it. That's it, No more ship, I've seen it.

1556
01:12:37,080 --> 01:12:39,120
Speaker 2: That's it, thank you, Let's move on. Let's move on.

1557
01:12:40,920 --> 01:12:44,000
Speaker 1: I'm like floored by this. I don't even that has

1558
01:12:44,040 --> 01:12:46,559
Speaker 1: to be the official greeting of Morning Combat. If we

1559
01:12:46,640 --> 01:12:49,000
Speaker 1: ever have to see, if we ever do like a

1560
01:12:49,040 --> 01:12:51,120
Speaker 1: meet and greet, or we do like a live show somewhere,

1561
01:12:51,600 --> 01:12:53,840
Speaker 1: everyone who wants to shake hands with us has to

1562
01:12:53,880 --> 01:12:57,760
Speaker 1: do it through an open fly like that. Just like that.

1563
01:12:57,840 --> 01:12:59,479
Speaker 2: Look at you embracing that. I thought you were going

1564
01:12:59,560 --> 01:13:01,360
Speaker 2: to quit the sh after that picture. This is great

1565
01:13:01,439 --> 01:13:01,800
Speaker 2: with the.

1566
01:13:01,720 --> 01:13:04,360
Speaker 1: Show, dude, this is my life now. I have fully

1567
01:13:04,439 --> 01:13:06,439
Speaker 1: leaned into the fact that I'm also going to be

1568
01:13:06,439 --> 01:13:08,360
Speaker 1: associated with your love of.

1569
01:13:09,479 --> 01:13:11,680
Speaker 2: By the way, Jay, what was the handle? What was

1570
01:13:11,720 --> 01:13:14,400
Speaker 2: the handle on that Instagram account where that picture came from. Jay,

1571
01:13:14,479 --> 01:13:21,360
Speaker 2: did you see that? What was that? Is that? A

1572
01:13:21,360 --> 01:13:24,599
Speaker 2: at Wholesome Boys of India? I do not follow that one.

1573
01:13:24,600 --> 01:13:28,400
Speaker 1: Okay, dude, who the fuck are you? Jeffrey Epstein? Fucking

1574
01:13:28,479 --> 01:13:29,840
Speaker 1: Brian over here?

1575
01:13:29,920 --> 01:13:35,320
Speaker 2: Look, here's who I stand for on Instagram CTE Society.

1576
01:13:36,520 --> 01:13:37,520
Speaker 1: Hogy farts.

1577
01:13:38,800 --> 01:13:46,880
Speaker 2: HOGI farts nutshots. Ronny Deutsch now Ronnie Deutsch?

1578
01:13:46,920 --> 01:13:49,880
Speaker 1: Okay, very good? All right, well amazing. If you want

1579
01:13:49,920 --> 01:13:51,200
Speaker 1: to hit Brian up, you can do that. We'll put

1580
01:13:51,200 --> 01:13:54,040
Speaker 1: the Instagram thing up later. All right, BC, Time now

1581
01:13:54,120 --> 01:13:56,680
Speaker 1: for our odds and ends? Good sir, What do you

1582
01:13:56,680 --> 01:13:57,559
Speaker 1: have for odds and ends?

1583
01:13:57,680 --> 01:14:00,120
Speaker 2: Yeah? I got two of them. One I think is interesting.

1584
01:14:00,360 --> 01:14:02,639
Speaker 2: We all lived the Last Dance with Jordan, and ESPN

1585
01:14:02,640 --> 01:14:04,800
Speaker 2: did a great job of that. Over five weeks, they

1586
01:14:04,800 --> 01:14:06,920
Speaker 2: have filled that spot on Sunday Nights with the new

1587
01:14:06,960 --> 01:14:11,360
Speaker 2: two part Lance Armstrong documentary now full full disclosure. You know,

1588
01:14:11,360 --> 01:14:14,160
Speaker 2: I never really cared about Lance Armstrong either way, but

1589
01:14:14,200 --> 01:14:16,840
Speaker 2: I was interested in learning a lot. I have only

1590
01:14:16,880 --> 01:14:19,679
Speaker 2: watched the first one. The second one's gonna air Sunday.

1591
01:14:19,680 --> 01:14:20,920
Speaker 2: You have seen them both? Correct?

1592
01:14:21,080 --> 01:14:22,200
Speaker 1: Correct both? Yep.

1593
01:14:23,120 --> 01:14:26,120
Speaker 2: First of all, it's really good. And second of all,

1594
01:14:26,240 --> 01:14:29,000
Speaker 2: I don't think you can go forward without taking the

1595
01:14:29,000 --> 01:14:33,000
Speaker 2: first biggest takeaway from this show Lance Armstrong's inn ahole

1596
01:14:33,080 --> 01:14:36,240
Speaker 2: Like he's an absolute d bag. He has advertised. I

1597
01:14:36,240 --> 01:14:38,840
Speaker 2: think his personality sucks. The way he was raised sucks.

1598
01:14:39,040 --> 01:14:42,679
Speaker 2: I think a lot about Lance Armstrong. Yeah sucks. Okay,

1599
01:14:42,720 --> 01:14:44,479
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna put that out there. I'm just gonna

1600
01:14:44,520 --> 01:14:46,720
Speaker 2: put that foundation. I don't think I could spend five

1601
01:14:46,760 --> 01:14:53,400
Speaker 2: minutes with the guy, but seeing the exact details of

1602
01:14:53,439 --> 01:14:55,920
Speaker 2: what he went through right winning the World Championships in

1603
01:14:56,000 --> 01:14:59,000
Speaker 2: ninety three and then two years later essentially being an

1604
01:14:59,200 --> 01:15:02,599
Speaker 2: also ran because the sport went in such a direction

1605
01:15:02,720 --> 01:15:07,439
Speaker 2: of peds and the foundation that they laid that this

1606
01:15:07,600 --> 01:15:10,120
Speaker 2: is already in an insanely dangerous sport in ways the

1607
01:15:10,160 --> 01:15:12,519
Speaker 2: average person doesn't realize, right for what it does to

1608
01:15:12,560 --> 01:15:14,880
Speaker 2: your body physically, for how easy it is to crash

1609
01:15:14,920 --> 01:15:18,160
Speaker 2: all that the only way to compete at a certain

1610
01:15:18,200 --> 01:15:22,679
Speaker 2: point Luke was to do that was to dope EPO

1611
01:15:22,880 --> 01:15:27,040
Speaker 2: whatever stick things everywhere. It's a little bit different than

1612
01:15:27,080 --> 01:15:32,400
Speaker 2: the combat sports debate in peds when you're hitting another

1613
01:15:32,439 --> 01:15:35,160
Speaker 2: person in the face, although even within that debate and

1614
01:15:35,200 --> 01:15:39,320
Speaker 2: You've had many ped combat sports debates. You could say, well, look,

1615
01:15:39,320 --> 01:15:41,640
Speaker 2: if the other guy's doing it, is it dangerous that

1616
01:15:41,720 --> 01:15:43,960
Speaker 2: I don't do it too? But let's put that aside.

1617
01:15:43,960 --> 01:15:46,559
Speaker 2: That's a separate topic. You know, some people look at

1618
01:15:46,600 --> 01:15:49,120
Speaker 2: the nineties with Maguire and Sosa and get just angry

1619
01:15:49,160 --> 01:15:52,240
Speaker 2: because it, you know, blew up the sacred record books

1620
01:15:52,240 --> 01:15:55,360
Speaker 2: of their previous heroes, even though all their previous heroes were,

1621
01:15:55,400 --> 01:15:57,800
Speaker 2: you know, swallowing amphetamines and you know, staying up all

1622
01:15:57,880 --> 01:16:00,360
Speaker 2: night with Mickey Mantle and you know, hot Dog gonna

1623
01:16:00,400 --> 01:16:04,000
Speaker 2: in a handle with Babe Ruth all that. I actually

1624
01:16:04,040 --> 01:16:08,200
Speaker 2: don't blame Lance Armstrong for what he did. The guy

1625
01:16:08,240 --> 01:16:10,679
Speaker 2: beat cancer, the guy came back and won a million

1626
01:16:10,720 --> 01:16:11,880
Speaker 2: Tour de Frances in a row?

1627
01:16:12,520 --> 01:16:15,240
Speaker 1: Did he he didn't want to see Part two? You

1628
01:16:15,360 --> 01:16:16,599
Speaker 1: might have a bit of a diff right then.

1629
01:16:16,600 --> 01:16:19,280
Speaker 2: I will reserve judgment on that, Luke. But as things

1630
01:16:19,280 --> 01:16:23,040
Speaker 2: stand right now, is he a dirt hole of a human? Probably? No? No,

1631
01:16:23,080 --> 01:16:25,720
Speaker 2: Actually I'll say it, yes he is, definitely, But I

1632
01:16:25,880 --> 01:16:29,400
Speaker 2: don't damn him and blame him for playing the game

1633
01:16:29,479 --> 01:16:33,800
Speaker 2: that everybody else was and just being better. And while

1634
01:16:33,840 --> 01:16:36,200
Speaker 2: people wanted to look back at everything good he ever

1635
01:16:36,240 --> 01:16:38,880
Speaker 2: did for cancer and crush it because he was a liar,

1636
01:16:38,960 --> 01:16:41,439
Speaker 2: and he was he was an absolute liar. He did

1637
01:16:41,479 --> 01:16:43,360
Speaker 2: do a lot of good there, So you know what,

1638
01:16:43,400 --> 01:16:46,640
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, he's kind of like

1639
01:16:46,680 --> 01:16:49,360
Speaker 2: that guy Ronnie Deutsch. You know, I'm not gonna stand

1640
01:16:49,400 --> 01:16:51,519
Speaker 2: for that guy. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna tell

1641
01:16:51,640 --> 01:16:53,920
Speaker 2: your you know, your sister to date him. But I

1642
01:16:53,960 --> 01:16:56,200
Speaker 2: respect that guy. You know, he did his thing. So

1643
01:16:56,560 --> 01:16:59,360
Speaker 2: as things stand right now, I think a lot of

1644
01:16:59,439 --> 01:17:01,519
Speaker 2: us if we were Lance's spot, we probably would have

1645
01:17:01,560 --> 01:17:02,160
Speaker 2: done the same thing.

1646
01:17:02,560 --> 01:17:11,160
Speaker 1: Lance. Lance is the is the embodiment of infinite contradiction, right,

1647
01:17:11,160 --> 01:17:13,080
Speaker 1: And you'll see this in the second episode. It really

1648
01:17:13,160 --> 01:17:16,160
Speaker 1: brings into contrast all the good that he did and

1649
01:17:16,200 --> 01:17:18,360
Speaker 1: then all the bad. Because here's the point, Like if

1650
01:17:18,360 --> 01:17:20,800
Speaker 1: you didn't see part one, what they basically said was

1651
01:17:20,880 --> 01:17:22,920
Speaker 1: if you looked at the Tour de France numbers between

1652
01:17:22,960 --> 01:17:26,200
Speaker 1: the first place runner, a runner, a racer, biker, whatever,

1653
01:17:26,560 --> 01:17:29,000
Speaker 1: whatever the name is, and then the last place, it's

1654
01:17:29,000 --> 01:17:33,080
Speaker 1: about two hours, okay, which over the course of the

1655
01:17:33,240 --> 01:17:35,839
Speaker 1: race in terms of its totality, is about two percent.

1656
01:17:37,640 --> 01:17:40,360
Speaker 1: If you took EPO and all the leading teams out

1657
01:17:40,400 --> 01:17:42,599
Speaker 1: of Europe are taking EPO. It made a ten percent

1658
01:17:42,640 --> 01:17:46,000
Speaker 1: difference in your ability to race. So here's the reality.

1659
01:17:46,479 --> 01:17:49,559
Speaker 1: It's a pass fail test. Either you take EPO and

1660
01:17:49,600 --> 01:17:52,680
Speaker 1: you can compete, you're at least in the game, or

1661
01:17:52,720 --> 01:17:55,600
Speaker 1: you don't and you have no choice. To me, and

1662
01:17:55,640 --> 01:17:58,360
Speaker 1: I've said this before for other reasons, like everyone's all

1663
01:17:58,560 --> 01:18:02,760
Speaker 1: high and mighty about Pedu MMA, and you know, there's

1664
01:18:02,800 --> 01:18:06,160
Speaker 1: absolutely no indication at all, there's zero evidence that MMA

1665
01:18:06,280 --> 01:18:08,759
Speaker 1: is at all safer now as a consequence, or UFC

1666
01:18:08,800 --> 01:18:11,120
Speaker 1: is safer as a consequence if you saw his introduction,

1667
01:18:11,160 --> 01:18:13,960
Speaker 1: I think most of those arguments are total trash. People

1668
01:18:14,000 --> 01:18:17,559
Speaker 1: watch Belator and one and regional MMA without the slightest

1669
01:18:17,600 --> 01:18:21,040
Speaker 1: degree of concern for safety relative to the same concerns

1670
01:18:21,080 --> 01:18:23,040
Speaker 1: they apply to UFC. And so to me, the whole

1671
01:18:23,080 --> 01:18:26,880
Speaker 1: argument is totally hypocritical. But keeping it to just lance,

1672
01:18:26,920 --> 01:18:29,360
Speaker 1: like dude, that was like that was the game you

1673
01:18:29,400 --> 01:18:30,800
Speaker 1: had if you I mean, if you didn't want to play,

1674
01:18:31,000 --> 01:18:32,880
Speaker 1: then you don't race, Like that's just what it is.

1675
01:18:32,920 --> 01:18:35,559
Speaker 1: And there were guys who said in the peloton, which

1676
01:18:35,600 --> 01:18:38,320
Speaker 1: is the group that races together, they didn't want to

1677
01:18:38,360 --> 01:18:40,120
Speaker 1: take it, and then the racing be like, Okay, well,

1678
01:18:40,160 --> 01:18:41,840
Speaker 1: you're the guy who supports the front guy, you're the

1679
01:18:41,840 --> 01:18:44,519
Speaker 1: guy in the back. That's what you are. So I

1680
01:18:44,520 --> 01:18:46,719
Speaker 1: don't blame that. The thing where it gets a little dicey,

1681
01:18:46,760 --> 01:18:48,800
Speaker 1: and not even dicey, where it just gets out right bad,

1682
01:18:49,479 --> 01:18:51,799
Speaker 1: you'll hear about all the things he did for cancer

1683
01:18:51,880 --> 01:18:54,280
Speaker 1: that are more than just raise money, more than just

1684
01:18:54,400 --> 01:18:57,360
Speaker 1: raise awareness. Like there's real, specific things he did that

1685
01:18:57,720 --> 01:19:01,559
Speaker 1: save people's lives, and that should count. On the other hand,

1686
01:19:02,080 --> 01:19:06,920
Speaker 1: you can't dope and keep it a secret. Yet you're

1687
01:19:06,960 --> 01:19:10,280
Speaker 1: gonna try to. But when you try to, and the

1688
01:19:10,280 --> 01:19:13,000
Speaker 1: way that Lance did, you're gonna ruin other people's lives.

1689
01:19:13,000 --> 01:19:16,800
Speaker 1: And he went after people, he sued them into bankruptcy,

1690
01:19:17,080 --> 01:19:18,520
Speaker 1: He destroyed reputations.

1691
01:19:18,640 --> 01:19:21,120
Speaker 2: Oh so you're saying that after episode two, I will

1692
01:19:21,160 --> 01:19:22,400
Speaker 2: change my tune completely, and.

1693
01:19:22,439 --> 01:19:27,000
Speaker 3: Again, it will make you You won't change your tune,

1694
01:19:27,120 --> 01:19:30,000
Speaker 3: it will make you feel I came away feeling more

1695
01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:33,400
Speaker 3: conflicted than ever, because here's what you can't figure out.

1696
01:19:33,840 --> 01:19:36,720
Speaker 1: Is he a good person who trended into bad or

1697
01:19:36,800 --> 01:19:39,240
Speaker 1: is he a bad person who did good? And the

1698
01:19:39,280 --> 01:19:41,559
Speaker 1: answer is I'm not sure I can tell. The difference anymore.

1699
01:19:42,040 --> 01:19:43,240
Speaker 2: I don't know what the difference is.

1700
01:19:43,800 --> 01:19:45,360
Speaker 1: Well, it's it's true, It's like, how do you tell

1701
01:19:45,360 --> 01:19:48,160
Speaker 1: the difference when it gets that narrow? He didn't. You'll

1702
01:19:48,200 --> 01:19:53,479
Speaker 1: see cancer survivors that credit spit truly very specific things

1703
01:19:53,840 --> 01:19:57,639
Speaker 1: that Lance did to save their lives that the medical

1704
01:19:57,640 --> 01:20:00,720
Speaker 1: professionals around them did not do, and you're like, dude,

1705
01:20:00,720 --> 01:20:04,200
Speaker 1: that's like, these people are grateful to him. Man. And

1706
01:20:04,240 --> 01:20:05,760
Speaker 1: then on the other hand, you'll hear about people he

1707
01:20:05,800 --> 01:20:08,880
Speaker 1: tried to sue into oblivion and they can only talk

1708
01:20:08,880 --> 01:20:11,360
Speaker 1: about him in the most demonic terms possible. He's both,

1709
01:20:11,840 --> 01:20:12,360
Speaker 1: He's both.

1710
01:20:12,439 --> 01:20:13,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, but.

1711
01:20:14,720 --> 01:20:16,679
Speaker 1: I don't give a flying fuck about the doping.

1712
01:20:17,400 --> 01:20:19,439
Speaker 2: Wow wow, Luke. I think a lot of people have

1713
01:20:19,520 --> 01:20:21,920
Speaker 2: that reaction following your Twitter feed during COVID. It's like,

1714
01:20:21,960 --> 01:20:24,479
Speaker 2: you know, I know he's doing good, but he's scaring

1715
01:20:24,520 --> 01:20:26,680
Speaker 2: the crap out of me, you know, well, all right,

1716
01:20:26,800 --> 01:20:29,040
Speaker 2: angering me, he's irritating me, you.

1717
01:20:29,040 --> 01:20:31,919
Speaker 1: Know he is. Here is the reality about the majority

1718
01:20:31,960 --> 01:20:34,120
Speaker 1: of some of the more controversial views that I hold.

1719
01:20:35,360 --> 01:20:37,479
Speaker 1: I certainly would not say that I'm ahead of the

1720
01:20:37,520 --> 01:20:39,960
Speaker 1: curve because I don't think that's true. Because even I

1721
01:20:40,880 --> 01:20:43,240
Speaker 1: either amend or change opinions over time. As adults, we

1722
01:20:43,320 --> 01:20:45,320
Speaker 1: sort of all do right, you get new evidence, you

1723
01:20:45,360 --> 01:20:46,920
Speaker 1: have to kind of figure things out. But it has

1724
01:20:46,960 --> 01:20:49,120
Speaker 1: been a consistent and pervasive theme in my life. Two

1725
01:20:49,120 --> 01:20:52,680
Speaker 1: different things I've noticed. One, over time, people find that

1726
01:20:52,680 --> 01:20:54,639
Speaker 1: they agree with my ideas more and more. So there's

1727
01:20:54,720 --> 01:20:57,640
Speaker 1: initial resistance up front, which they come to later. And

1728
01:20:57,680 --> 01:20:59,920
Speaker 1: that's the same thing with my personality. My wife hated

1729
01:21:00,160 --> 01:21:03,000
Speaker 1: my guts the first time she met me. And you know, oh,

1730
01:21:03,120 --> 01:21:04,720
Speaker 1: she met you with a gun. She had a gun

1731
01:21:04,720 --> 01:21:05,479
Speaker 1: in her No no, no.

1732
01:21:05,280 --> 01:21:05,760
Speaker 2: No, no no.

1733
01:21:05,920 --> 01:21:07,040
Speaker 1: But the first time I met her, I mean that

1734
01:21:07,080 --> 01:21:08,559
Speaker 1: was our first date, but that was the first time

1735
01:21:08,600 --> 01:21:11,000
Speaker 1: I met her, she hated my guts. I had to

1736
01:21:11,040 --> 01:21:13,759
Speaker 1: woo this person over time, and so it just becomes

1737
01:21:13,800 --> 01:21:16,519
Speaker 1: a pervasive theme. I don't know what the future holds

1738
01:21:16,520 --> 01:21:18,320
Speaker 1: for the world of anti doping. I tend to think

1739
01:21:18,680 --> 01:21:20,680
Speaker 1: what's probably gonna happen is they're going to try and

1740
01:21:20,720 --> 01:21:24,440
Speaker 1: criminalize it. Certain countries already are, and I think probably

1741
01:21:24,520 --> 01:21:27,200
Speaker 1: only after you're starting to throw people in jail, well

1742
01:21:27,240 --> 01:21:30,240
Speaker 1: they realize how fucking insane this all is. But you know,

1743
01:21:30,320 --> 01:21:32,400
Speaker 1: I don't, I can't. I can't say with any certainty

1744
01:21:32,439 --> 01:21:33,120
Speaker 1: that that's true.

1745
01:21:33,320 --> 01:21:36,840
Speaker 2: Now any I love any sorry real quick, I love

1746
01:21:36,840 --> 01:21:39,800
Speaker 2: any documentary that does it right. And they leave the

1747
01:21:39,800 --> 01:21:42,400
Speaker 2: they make it gray, they leave, you know, and after

1748
01:21:42,439 --> 01:21:45,240
Speaker 2: one episode it's gray. I don't really know who you

1749
01:21:45,280 --> 01:21:47,479
Speaker 2: know what I should really think about Lance? I'm torn,

1750
01:21:47,520 --> 01:21:49,559
Speaker 2: so shout out to them. Can't wait for episode two.

1751
01:21:49,600 --> 01:21:51,000
Speaker 1: And then the other part is, you see the other

1752
01:21:51,040 --> 01:21:54,200
Speaker 1: guys who doped in that generation, because hello, they were

1753
01:21:54,200 --> 01:21:58,479
Speaker 1: competing with the guys who were doping, right, and some

1754
01:21:58,560 --> 01:22:01,200
Speaker 1: of their countries would turn on them, and some of

1755
01:22:01,240 --> 01:22:03,519
Speaker 1: their countries would embrace them, and there'd be no real

1756
01:22:03,600 --> 01:22:05,960
Speaker 1: rhyme or reason for who got turned into what. Now

1757
01:22:06,080 --> 01:22:08,639
Speaker 1: Lance's case is different. But let's say they talked about

1758
01:22:08,640 --> 01:22:11,479
Speaker 1: like certain German or Italian writers, where they be two

1759
01:22:11,560 --> 01:22:15,240
Speaker 1: German writers. They did the exact same thing, same accomplishments,

1760
01:22:15,280 --> 01:22:18,479
Speaker 1: same transgressions. One would be a scapegoat and one would

1761
01:22:18,479 --> 01:22:20,760
Speaker 1: be a hero, and there'd be no difference between them

1762
01:22:21,160 --> 01:22:23,320
Speaker 1: other than how the public and the media treated them.

1763
01:22:23,800 --> 01:22:26,519
Speaker 1: And you just begin to realize, like so much of

1764
01:22:26,560 --> 01:22:29,840
Speaker 1: this is just media hysteria and arbitrariness. Lance deserved what

1765
01:22:29,880 --> 01:22:31,400
Speaker 1: he got. I think I think it's a pretty fair

1766
01:22:31,439 --> 01:22:33,800
Speaker 1: thing to say, but it just brings into a larger

1767
01:22:33,880 --> 01:22:36,280
Speaker 1: question about how we treat these topics and how difficult

1768
01:22:36,280 --> 01:22:38,760
Speaker 1: they are to grapple with. Now you mentioned COVID. Here's

1769
01:22:38,800 --> 01:22:40,479
Speaker 1: the one thing I'll say, and again i'm gonna say

1770
01:22:40,479 --> 01:22:45,040
Speaker 1: this in my defense BC. So, the UFC got approved

1771
01:22:45,040 --> 01:22:47,320
Speaker 1: to do shows in Nevada, which is great. It's a

1772
01:22:47,320 --> 01:22:49,280
Speaker 1: great development. They're going to be the APEX. I don't

1773
01:22:49,320 --> 01:22:50,840
Speaker 1: know how long they're going to be the APEX, but

1774
01:22:50,880 --> 01:22:53,120
Speaker 1: for however long they got the green light, my hunches

1775
01:22:53,160 --> 01:22:54,920
Speaker 1: they're going to be there right because it's just a

1776
01:22:54,960 --> 01:22:59,360
Speaker 1: great opportunity to leverage this infrastructure that they've built. Thumbs up.

1777
01:23:00,040 --> 01:23:01,439
Speaker 1: But the way they're going to do it is by

1778
01:23:01,479 --> 01:23:05,360
Speaker 1: virtue of what the Nevada Commission passed, which is in Florida.

1779
01:23:05,680 --> 01:23:08,760
Speaker 1: What happened was Florida just said come on down, and

1780
01:23:08,800 --> 01:23:11,439
Speaker 1: the UFC made a pledge to stick to that twenty

1781
01:23:11,479 --> 01:23:13,200
Speaker 1: page document which I read through that the New York

1782
01:23:13,240 --> 01:23:16,200
Speaker 1: Times had reported on. But you'll note in the waivers

1783
01:23:16,360 --> 01:23:19,080
Speaker 1: that they made everybody sign, including media. They said we

1784
01:23:19,120 --> 01:23:21,120
Speaker 1: don't have to do any of this, like and if

1785
01:23:21,120 --> 01:23:24,080
Speaker 1: you get COVID not our responsibility. They went ahead and

1786
01:23:24,240 --> 01:23:26,840
Speaker 1: did it, but they did not have any obligation to

1787
01:23:26,880 --> 01:23:30,479
Speaker 1: do it. This is different. Nevada is drafting the rules.

1788
01:23:30,520 --> 01:23:33,960
Speaker 1: Now they may cohere with the UFC's plans BC, but

1789
01:23:34,040 --> 01:23:36,719
Speaker 1: now the UFC has to agree to what the Nevada

1790
01:23:36,760 --> 01:23:39,840
Speaker 1: Commission wants. And you read through their plan. I'm not

1791
01:23:39,880 --> 01:23:42,120
Speaker 1: saying it's perfect. I suspect that will be amended over

1792
01:23:42,160 --> 01:23:45,479
Speaker 1: time too, but it's materially different. Like test results for

1793
01:23:45,640 --> 01:23:48,760
Speaker 1: antibodies or of the swabs, either nasal or back of

1794
01:23:48,760 --> 01:23:50,080
Speaker 1: the throat. I think they're going back of their throat

1795
01:23:50,080 --> 01:23:53,360
Speaker 1: now they have to be reported for their antibody tests,

1796
01:23:53,640 --> 01:23:55,559
Speaker 1: are any kind of oral fluid, they have to be

1797
01:23:55,720 --> 01:23:57,640
Speaker 1: FDA approved. I don't know if you paid attention to this,

1798
01:23:57,920 --> 01:24:00,920
Speaker 1: but at first the FDA didn't regulate the antibody test market,

1799
01:24:01,000 --> 01:24:04,200
Speaker 1: so you could get all kinds of false positives, which

1800
01:24:04,240 --> 01:24:08,519
Speaker 1: they got in Florida with Dany Gay and Claudia Acadelia,

1801
01:24:08,560 --> 01:24:11,240
Speaker 1: which they reported to a serious ExM. And so here's

1802
01:24:11,240 --> 01:24:15,080
Speaker 1: my point. Go back to March and early April. What

1803
01:24:15,160 --> 01:24:19,160
Speaker 1: was I asking for from UFC? I had made explicit.

1804
01:24:19,200 --> 01:24:21,360
Speaker 1: You can dig it up on the show I had

1805
01:24:21,360 --> 01:24:24,040
Speaker 1: made explicit that what I was waiting for was for

1806
01:24:24,320 --> 01:24:26,160
Speaker 1: I had made the argument, we don't know what's safe

1807
01:24:26,280 --> 01:24:29,800
Speaker 1: is because no leading commission Nevada, California, Nevada has come

1808
01:24:29,880 --> 01:24:32,960
Speaker 1: up with protocol. Well, now we have it, and it

1809
01:24:33,000 --> 01:24:36,160
Speaker 1: looks like this was that so hard? I mean, I'm

1810
01:24:36,160 --> 01:24:38,799
Speaker 1: not saying that Florida was necessarily a mistake. In many ways,

1811
01:24:38,840 --> 01:24:40,960
Speaker 1: maybe you could even make the argument that getting that

1812
01:24:41,000 --> 01:24:43,880
Speaker 1: first push is what enabled Nevada to be at the

1813
01:24:43,960 --> 01:24:45,840
Speaker 1: space that they're in, And I'd even entertain that to

1814
01:24:45,880 --> 01:24:48,439
Speaker 1: a degree. But I don't think waiting for Nevada to

1815
01:24:48,520 --> 01:24:51,040
Speaker 1: put out their list and making a promoter adhere to

1816
01:24:51,080 --> 01:24:53,320
Speaker 1: it is some kind of crime. It's some kind of

1817
01:24:53,400 --> 01:24:56,760
Speaker 1: like crazy request. This is what I was waiting for.

1818
01:24:57,040 --> 01:25:00,320
Speaker 1: We have it. Is this the finish line? What the

1819
01:25:00,320 --> 01:25:03,439
Speaker 1: finish line even looks like? BC? But this is that

1820
01:25:03,600 --> 01:25:06,360
Speaker 1: turning point that I was waiting for, and I'm glad

1821
01:25:06,360 --> 01:25:08,519
Speaker 1: to see it. The sport's better off for it. And

1822
01:25:08,560 --> 01:25:11,360
Speaker 1: now it's off to the races because any promoter who

1823
01:25:11,439 --> 01:25:14,960
Speaker 1: can copy that, you're free to resume shows, including top

1824
01:25:15,040 --> 01:25:15,879
Speaker 1: rank in June.

1825
01:25:16,520 --> 01:25:18,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, it looks like top Rank is gonna do like

1826
01:25:18,080 --> 01:25:21,120
Speaker 2: a Tuesday Thursday night thing. Maybe that's playing nice with

1827
01:25:21,320 --> 01:25:23,439
Speaker 2: ESPN for UFC going on Saturday night, but I'm down

1828
01:25:23,479 --> 01:25:26,000
Speaker 2: with it, Luke. I'm hoping that this change leads to

1829
01:25:26,600 --> 01:25:29,120
Speaker 2: more boxing and MMA promoters saying, Look, if we don't

1830
01:25:29,120 --> 01:25:31,760
Speaker 2: have a big time fight on Saturday night, that's going

1831
01:25:31,840 --> 01:25:35,120
Speaker 2: to compete against college football, it's gonna compete against the

1832
01:25:35,200 --> 01:25:37,759
Speaker 2: other combat sport of the moment, whether it's UFC or boxing.

1833
01:25:38,080 --> 01:25:39,600
Speaker 2: Can we please put it on a Tuesday night, a

1834
01:25:39,600 --> 01:25:42,000
Speaker 2: Wednesday night, a Sunday night, of a Thursday night whatever.

1835
01:25:42,400 --> 01:25:44,559
Speaker 1: I've always been that guy. I've always been that guy

1836
01:25:44,600 --> 01:25:46,640
Speaker 1: when like they had fights on Wednesdays, they also like, oh,

1837
01:25:46,680 --> 01:25:47,640
Speaker 1: we don't want to do it, we don't get the

1838
01:25:47,680 --> 01:25:50,519
Speaker 1: best ratings. But it's to me to break up your

1839
01:25:50,520 --> 01:25:52,720
Speaker 1: week with a fight night is like, yeah, it's like

1840
01:25:52,800 --> 01:25:54,240
Speaker 1: one of the best things that there is. Let me

1841
01:25:54,240 --> 01:25:56,120
Speaker 1: ask you about this top rank only doing like what

1842
01:25:56,200 --> 01:25:59,439
Speaker 1: four or five fights on a card total. What do

1843
01:25:59,479 --> 01:25:59,840
Speaker 1: you make of it?

1844
01:26:00,040 --> 01:26:02,400
Speaker 2: Yes, well, I mean it makes sense because you can't

1845
01:26:02,439 --> 01:26:04,679
Speaker 2: do walk out bouts where there's no crowd, right, you're

1846
01:26:04,720 --> 01:26:07,880
Speaker 2: you know or you know, curtain jerker bouts, So uh,

1847
01:26:08,680 --> 01:26:10,160
Speaker 2: you know. Yeah, the people that are going to lose

1848
01:26:10,160 --> 01:26:12,600
Speaker 2: in boxing right now, of course are the smaller promoters,

1849
01:26:12,640 --> 01:26:16,400
Speaker 2: the fighters who who you know, aren't TV guys for sure,

1850
01:26:16,400 --> 01:26:17,880
Speaker 2: but that's all you can do at the moment. So

1851
01:26:17,920 --> 01:26:19,200
Speaker 2: it makes a lot of sense. You're not going to

1852
01:26:19,240 --> 01:26:23,280
Speaker 2: see great top rank fights, and you know, to start off, look,

1853
01:26:23,280 --> 01:26:25,760
Speaker 2: I think boxing promoters are are in a much worse

1854
01:26:25,800 --> 01:26:28,280
Speaker 2: spot than the big MMA ones who are more reliant

1855
01:26:28,320 --> 01:26:30,920
Speaker 2: on TV deals and and it's gonna be interesting, looke,

1856
01:26:30,960 --> 01:26:33,680
Speaker 2: But hopefully by February first, twenty twenty one, we can

1857
01:26:33,720 --> 01:26:37,960
Speaker 2: get people back into arenas and yeah, all right.

1858
01:26:37,800 --> 01:26:40,360
Speaker 1: Hopefully yeah by that point, maybe maybe in Taipei and soul.

1859
01:26:40,439 --> 01:26:41,040
Speaker 1: That's about it.

1860
01:26:41,280 --> 01:26:44,360
Speaker 2: Hopefully you will swallow your doubt, turn it inside out, Luke,

1861
01:26:44,400 --> 01:26:47,479
Speaker 2: and find faith in nothing as you always do, uh Luke.

1862
01:26:47,520 --> 01:26:49,680
Speaker 2: Also on odds and eds, I wanted to hit this up,

1863
01:26:51,160 --> 01:26:53,559
Speaker 2: you know, we I love weird fights, gas station fights,

1864
01:26:53,720 --> 01:26:59,080
Speaker 2: gas station food. Anderson Silva has started it up again,

1865
01:26:59,439 --> 01:27:02,760
Speaker 2: banging the drum for the one fight in MMA that

1866
01:27:02,840 --> 01:27:05,640
Speaker 2: I want more than other. No, it's not Jones and Ghanu,

1867
01:27:05,920 --> 01:27:09,400
Speaker 2: it's Anderson Silva versus Connor McGregor. And while you and

1868
01:27:09,400 --> 01:27:12,559
Speaker 2: I were preparing for this show. News got out and

1869
01:27:12,680 --> 01:27:15,880
Speaker 2: Connor tweeted, I accept now who know if it's if

1870
01:27:15,880 --> 01:27:18,000
Speaker 2: it's actually gonna happen. But remember when we talked about

1871
01:27:18,000 --> 01:27:20,519
Speaker 2: Connor McGregor kind of needs a stay busy fight that

1872
01:27:20,560 --> 01:27:23,439
Speaker 2: would keep him ready for the winner of Habib Justin Gaetchee.

1873
01:27:23,439 --> 01:27:26,640
Speaker 2: If you believe that UFC's business plans really point in

1874
01:27:26,640 --> 01:27:29,400
Speaker 2: that direction. This came up a couple of years ago

1875
01:27:29,400 --> 01:27:32,040
Speaker 2: when both showed interest. I'm gonna bring it back up again.

1876
01:27:32,080 --> 01:27:36,440
Speaker 2: Even with Anderson Silva at forty five, luke this fight bangs.

1877
01:27:36,880 --> 01:27:40,479
Speaker 2: Andy wanted to catch weight of one seventy six. Connor

1878
01:27:40,560 --> 01:27:42,479
Speaker 2: just said on Twitter, I'll fight you at one eighty five.

1879
01:27:43,080 --> 01:27:47,439
Speaker 2: Why wouldn't you do this? Look just like Jones and Ghanu,

1880
01:27:48,200 --> 01:27:51,160
Speaker 2: just like Connor McGregor versus Oscar de la Hoya in boxing.

1881
01:27:51,600 --> 01:27:53,559
Speaker 2: You don't know what this is gonna look like. You

1882
01:27:53,680 --> 01:27:55,760
Speaker 2: really don't. Why wouldn't you do this thing?

1883
01:27:56,960 --> 01:28:02,040
Speaker 1: Uh? Because I am not a weirdo. I hate this fight.

1884
01:28:02,160 --> 01:28:05,000
Speaker 1: I hope they never make it. They probably won't. It's sad.

1885
01:28:05,800 --> 01:28:07,080
Speaker 1: I don't have any interest in it.

1886
01:28:07,240 --> 01:28:09,480
Speaker 2: And why is it sad? I'd rather creative.

1887
01:28:09,880 --> 01:28:12,840
Speaker 1: I'd rather dip my balls in a ninja blender than

1888
01:28:13,200 --> 01:28:14,439
Speaker 1: watch five seconds of that fight.

1889
01:28:14,600 --> 01:28:17,439
Speaker 2: So, first of all, you couldn't last ten minutes in

1890
01:28:17,520 --> 01:28:19,720
Speaker 2: my vasectomy exam room a.

1891
01:28:19,760 --> 01:28:23,200
Speaker 1: Right first, probably needles.

1892
01:28:23,560 --> 01:28:27,439
Speaker 2: Second of all, Luke, what the two you know, two

1893
01:28:27,439 --> 01:28:30,160
Speaker 2: of the biggest brands of all time? It would sell

1894
01:28:30,760 --> 01:28:33,600
Speaker 2: And it's this is Oscar de la Hoya fighting Manipakio.

1895
01:28:33,760 --> 01:28:35,439
Speaker 2: This is what that is. It's like, wow, what would

1896
01:28:35,479 --> 01:28:36,360
Speaker 2: that look like? Right?

1897
01:28:36,520 --> 01:28:38,960
Speaker 1: And this is not This is so not Oscar de

1898
01:28:39,040 --> 01:28:41,160
Speaker 1: la Hoya fighting Manu Pakiyo. This is not all right?

1899
01:28:41,160 --> 01:28:43,519
Speaker 2: Then what would have Okay, okay, smart guy, Then what

1900
01:28:43,560 --> 01:28:44,240
Speaker 2: would it look like?

1901
01:28:45,800 --> 01:28:51,400
Speaker 1: This is like Lomachenko fighting Kermit Centron or something. I mean,

1902
01:28:51,439 --> 01:28:55,040
Speaker 1: this is I have you know, we're talking. We're talking

1903
01:28:55,040 --> 01:28:57,479
Speaker 1: a silva who is much bigger we all know and

1904
01:28:57,600 --> 01:29:00,320
Speaker 1: so far past it I'm not telling again. So the

1905
01:29:00,360 --> 01:29:02,200
Speaker 1: same thing with Mike Tyson. I can't tell you wouldn't

1906
01:29:02,200 --> 01:29:07,400
Speaker 1: do well. It would probably do great. I are you

1907
01:29:08,439 --> 01:29:11,519
Speaker 1: that Andy Connor Connor has Connor has a limited amount

1908
01:29:11,560 --> 01:29:13,920
Speaker 1: of fights before he either stops or then goes into

1909
01:29:14,400 --> 01:29:17,080
Speaker 1: do like crazy shit. Can we keep him on the

1910
01:29:17,120 --> 01:29:19,000
Speaker 1: straight and narrow for crying out loud and get these

1911
01:29:19,040 --> 01:29:20,960
Speaker 1: fights that matter first, and then we can talk about

1912
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Speaker 1: the fucker ree later.

1913
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Speaker 2: That's fair. Okay, that point is fair, But really revisit

1914
01:29:26,400 --> 01:29:29,720
Speaker 2: it right now. Are you insinuating that Andy's too old

1915
01:29:29,760 --> 01:29:31,280
Speaker 2: for this and you would get his ass kicked? Is

1916
01:29:31,280 --> 01:29:32,280
Speaker 2: that what you're insinuating.

1917
01:29:32,760 --> 01:29:35,120
Speaker 1: I'm saying he's too old to make it as interesting

1918
01:29:35,160 --> 01:29:37,559
Speaker 1: as he otherwise could. Whether he gets his ass kicked

1919
01:29:37,720 --> 01:29:39,000
Speaker 1: or not, I don't know. He's got a good chin

1920
01:29:39,080 --> 01:29:43,160
Speaker 1: for the most part. He's he'd have reach, probably has

1921
01:29:43,160 --> 01:29:47,000
Speaker 1: a better gas tank, you know, around.

1922
01:29:46,760 --> 01:29:48,439
Speaker 2: From out of the socket yourself into it.

1923
01:29:48,960 --> 01:29:52,120
Speaker 1: No, I'm just like, it's like, oh, he wouldn't die

1924
01:29:52,320 --> 01:29:55,000
Speaker 1: in thirty seconds. Oh, let's make a fight. That's that's

1925
01:29:55,000 --> 01:29:57,280
Speaker 1: your threshold. Like again, oh, he would.

1926
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Speaker 2: Have an inherent advantage Luke.

1927
01:29:59,560 --> 01:30:02,320
Speaker 1: Jones, But than gone who is interesting for precisely the

1928
01:30:02,360 --> 01:30:06,080
Speaker 1: reason that Connor and Silva is not. Connor is still

1929
01:30:06,080 --> 01:30:09,280
Speaker 1: in his prime and appears to be rejuvenated interesting. Silva's

1930
01:30:09,320 --> 01:30:12,400
Speaker 1: only advantage is that, while he is so far past it,

1931
01:30:12,840 --> 01:30:16,120
Speaker 1: he's still got a relative size and reach advantage. That's

1932
01:30:16,160 --> 01:30:19,400
Speaker 1: not especially interesting to me. What's interesting to me is

1933
01:30:19,439 --> 01:30:21,880
Speaker 1: when both guys are in the relative and we don't

1934
01:30:21,920 --> 01:30:24,800
Speaker 1: know about Jones, but again relative peak of their powers.

1935
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Speaker 2: Not Oh.

1936
01:30:26,680 --> 01:30:29,840
Speaker 1: Let's the reason why we can bring in Silva here

1937
01:30:30,479 --> 01:30:33,719
Speaker 1: is because he is so far past it that the

1938
01:30:33,840 --> 01:30:36,519
Speaker 1: size advantage makes up for that in some time.

1939
01:30:37,520 --> 01:30:39,120
Speaker 2: If he was in his peak of his powers, you

1940
01:30:39,160 --> 01:30:41,840
Speaker 2: couldn't make this fight. Connor would have got killed.

1941
01:30:42,320 --> 01:30:45,320
Speaker 1: Right well to me, watching a guy who's got a

1942
01:30:45,360 --> 01:30:48,400
Speaker 1: foot out the door fight against a guy who's much smaller,

1943
01:30:48,439 --> 01:30:51,160
Speaker 1: who doesn't I mean, I'm not saying there's no permutation

1944
01:30:51,240 --> 01:30:53,120
Speaker 1: where that works. It doesn't work for me in this one.

1945
01:30:53,160 --> 01:30:54,240
Speaker 1: I could not care less.

1946
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Speaker 2: Luke, have fun in your life, all right, I do

1947
01:30:57,600 --> 01:30:58,000
Speaker 2: have fun.

1948
01:30:58,120 --> 01:31:01,800
Speaker 1: I have plenty of fun. Just Starling versus Sandhagen, Well

1949
01:31:01,840 --> 01:31:05,439
Speaker 1: you know, I'll, you know, take your pants off, fucking drink,

1950
01:31:05,640 --> 01:31:08,479
Speaker 1: get in a pool and do a you know, the

1951
01:31:08,479 --> 01:31:10,439
Speaker 1: beer funnel throat in your face like the old guy did.

1952
01:31:10,479 --> 01:31:13,479
Speaker 1: I'm down go fighting home depot parking lot with Jeff Wagenheim.

1953
01:31:13,800 --> 01:31:16,479
Speaker 1: I'm down for that, just not for Connor versus Sila.

1954
01:31:17,200 --> 01:31:20,240
Speaker 2: Find that find that child in you from old Marietta,

1955
01:31:20,320 --> 01:31:25,280
Speaker 2: that one that believed in life, possibility, enjoyment, fun, entertainment, right,

1956
01:31:25,400 --> 01:31:28,520
Speaker 2: find that guy, find that kid in Cutter, Okay.

1957
01:31:29,120 --> 01:31:32,800
Speaker 1: In Doha, Yes, I certainly will. All right, let's do this.

1958
01:31:32,880 --> 01:31:35,599
Speaker 1: Let's remind everybody you can follow us in a bunch

1959
01:31:35,640 --> 01:31:38,760
Speaker 1: of different places. Let's put the graphic up. I think

1960
01:31:38,760 --> 01:31:42,080
Speaker 1: there's one for Instagram, there's one for Twitter for me

1961
01:31:42,160 --> 01:31:45,040
Speaker 1: and BC there and then in the middle. Morning Combat

1962
01:31:45,040 --> 01:31:48,200
Speaker 1: on Instagram is where we put the all the assets

1963
01:31:48,280 --> 01:31:50,280
Speaker 1: up for a post show stuff. But then pre show

1964
01:31:50,360 --> 01:31:52,080
Speaker 1: twenty four hours for the show, we put a post

1965
01:31:52,120 --> 01:31:53,559
Speaker 1: up where you can put all your questions and that's

1966
01:31:53,560 --> 01:31:56,759
Speaker 1: what makes the show. And then Morning Combat donks thumbs

1967
01:31:56,840 --> 01:31:59,759
Speaker 1: up on the video, subscribe to the channel, share it around.

1968
01:32:00,080 --> 01:32:02,519
Speaker 1: I always appreciate that when you do. And then we

1969
01:32:02,600 --> 01:32:04,840
Speaker 1: have to mention one more time. Of course, if you'd

1970
01:32:04,840 --> 01:32:07,519
Speaker 1: like to try Showtime who makes the show possible? I

1971
01:32:07,520 --> 01:32:09,120
Speaker 1: don't know why you wouldn't. You can go get a

1972
01:32:09,120 --> 01:32:13,200
Speaker 1: free trial Showtime dot com right now thirty days. If

1973
01:32:13,240 --> 01:32:15,439
Speaker 1: you like it, you can keep it, if not, you

1974
01:32:15,479 --> 01:32:18,200
Speaker 1: can skip it. And BC we should tell folks Showtime

1975
01:32:18,240 --> 01:32:22,879
Speaker 1: Extreme tonight at ten pm East Coast Time, Morning Combat

1976
01:32:23,040 --> 01:32:26,280
Speaker 1: Strikeforce Classics. It rolls on Baby.

1977
01:32:26,680 --> 01:32:33,559
Speaker 2: Stop Luke Hammer Time. Yeah yeah, okay.

1978
01:32:33,720 --> 01:32:35,040
Speaker 1: Well, with that in mind, if you want more of

1979
01:32:35,040 --> 01:32:37,840
Speaker 1: Brian's work, you can get it at CBS Sports. I'm

1980
01:32:37,920 --> 01:32:41,080
Speaker 1: Luke Thomason until we see each other on Monday. May

1981
01:32:41,120 --> 01:32:42,799
Speaker 1: all of your gains be loyal.