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Speaker 1: Derek Eagleton. It is Wednesday, October fourth, twenty seventeen, Season thirteen,
Speaker 1: episode number fifty. Welcome to another edition of The Break,
Speaker 1: live from the SWBC Mortgage Studios, and we're here to
Speaker 1: talk some Cowboys football today. We're gonna jump in and
Speaker 1: talk Cowboys versus Packers. That game kicks off this Sunday
Speaker 1: at three thirty Central Time here at AT and T Stadium.
Speaker 1: Dave has a scattering report already for us on the
Speaker 1: Packers offense versus the Cowboys defense. How's everybody doing this morning? Good?
Speaker 1: Got Amber back in the building. Welcome back, Amber, Thank you,
Speaker 1: thank you, good to have you back. And uh, how
Speaker 1: are you Dave? Good? You ready? Yep? I know last
Speaker 1: night you said you were gonna jump right into all
Speaker 1: the tape on the Packers, and I assumed you've watched
Speaker 1: all four of their games and maybe even went back
Speaker 1: to last year and watched a few of the games
Speaker 1: from last year. So what what says Dave after watching
Speaker 1: all this film on the Green Bay Packers? We're just
Speaker 1: gonna get right into it like that. Huh? Why not
Speaker 1: jump in? You know what? Says Dave? Who cares? Oh?
Speaker 1: And I don't mean like who cares about the game
Speaker 1: or any other who cares what the Packers offense has
Speaker 1: or what they're doing? As long as they have Aaron Rodgers? Right?
Speaker 1: How hard is that scot him report? I haven't watched
Speaker 1: him play that much and I know it. And all
Speaker 1: you're gonna say is slings some guy you've never heard of,
Speaker 1: and he's pretty good. And it literally does not matter.
Speaker 1: That's the conclusion that I came to. And that just
Speaker 1: you just took the whole show down. Now everybody's just
Speaker 1: like what what? What? What? Are we even gonna play
Speaker 1: the game? Do you? I'm just gonna I'm gonna illustrate
Speaker 1: my point here, Okay. I actually first I started off
Speaker 1: by going back and I've I looked at every game
Speaker 1: that they've played against the Packers in the last since
Speaker 1: the twenty since the Dez catch, game. I'd left out
Speaker 1: the twenty thirteen game because Rogers didn't start. Okay, they
Speaker 1: still lost, but Rogers didn't start. So in those games
Speaker 1: twenty fourteen playoffs, Eddie Lacey was your leading rusher with
Speaker 1: one hundred yards. Davante Adams and Randall Cobb were you're
Speaker 1: leading receivers. The next year, Eddie Lacy had another good day.
Speaker 1: James Starks also ran for seventy one yards and a touchdown.
Speaker 1: The Packers ran for two hundred and thirty that day.
Speaker 1: Randall Cobb and James Jones were your receivers of choice.
Speaker 1: Last year in the regular season, it was Lacey again.
Speaker 1: Jordy Nelson was there, Randall Cobb, Tie Montgomery was your
Speaker 1: leading receiver. Fast forward three months. Tie Montgomery's you're leading
Speaker 1: rusher because he plays running back now, because they just
Speaker 1: did that because they were out of options. Jared Cook,
Speaker 1: you might remember him. He's your leading receiver in that game.
Speaker 1: Cobb and Adams had decent days, nothing to get super
Speaker 1: excited about. So I guess the point I'm trying to
Speaker 1: make there is that it's it's just a mismash of
Speaker 1: whatever they can cobble together. As long as Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: is throwing the ball, which he is twenty fourteen sixty
Speaker 1: eight percent for three sixteen and three touchdowns. Twenty fifteen
Speaker 1: actually his worst day sixty three two eighteen and two touchdowns,
Speaker 1: and that was because they ran for two hundred and
Speaker 1: thirty yards last year in the regular season seventy four
Speaker 1: percent two ninety four a touchdown and a very uncharacteristic
Speaker 1: pick by Barry Church that helped the Cowboys win that game.
Speaker 1: And then in the playoffs sixty five percent three fifty five,
Speaker 1: two touchdowns and one interception. He's a freak. That's really
Speaker 1: my main concern. And now I will I will flash
Speaker 1: forward to this past game against the Bears. This is
Speaker 1: the Packers starting offensive line when they beat the Bears
Speaker 1: thirty five to seventeen. Lane Taylor, who's a second year
Speaker 1: undrafted free agent who's also a guard that's playing tackle,
Speaker 1: played left tackle Patrick Lucas, who is an undrafted free
Speaker 1: agent in his second year. Played left guard Corey Linsley,
Speaker 1: who's a fifth round pick. He's a pretty solid center.
Speaker 1: He was still there. Jarry Evans, who's a four time
Speaker 1: All Pro but is also in his twelfth NFL season
Speaker 1: and has bounced around the league. He's not the guy
Speaker 1: he was with the New Orleans Saints by any stretch.
Speaker 1: He's your right guard. And then Justin McCrae, who is
Speaker 1: an undrafted free agent who's bounced around the league and
Speaker 1: played in the Arena Football League, he's your right tackle.
Speaker 1: To summarize, there are three players that are undrafted that
Speaker 1: are starting on their offensive line. Your main left tackle,
Speaker 1: David Baktiari has been out with a hamstr hamstring injury.
Speaker 1: Your main right tackle, Brian Bulaga has been out with
Speaker 1: an ankle injury. We're gonna have to wait and see
Speaker 1: this week if they play or or not. I actually
Speaker 1: I talked to some people who cover the Packers before
Speaker 1: I came on this show to see if they kind
Speaker 1: of had any insight for me, and they were like,
Speaker 1: it's it's gonna be wait and see. They've been dinged
Speaker 1: up basically for the entire season. But does it matter
Speaker 1: because Aaron Rodgers still led them to thirty five points.
Speaker 1: I know it's the Chicago Bears. They're still They're three
Speaker 1: and one playing this way and by the way, they
Speaker 1: are right now ranked twenty ninth in the league and
Speaker 1: sacks allowed with fifteen and despite that, they're still putting
Speaker 1: up the numbers at the bun You sack them, but
Speaker 1: they're still You read in my mind, You read my mind.
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers was sacked four times by the Seattle Seahawks.
Speaker 1: They won that game. He was sacked six times by
Speaker 1: the Cincinnati Bengals. They won that game. He was sacked
Speaker 1: twice by the Bears. They won in a blowout. He
Speaker 1: gets it to Cobb, he gets it to Majority, he
Speaker 1: gets it Tie Montgomery, who is still their running back
Speaker 1: this season. He was their leading receiver in there was
Speaker 1: booked up a little bit to look more like a
Speaker 1: running back. He was well. He was their leading receiver
Speaker 1: against Atlanta, which is the one game that they lost.
Speaker 1: So there one loss is on the road against the
Speaker 1: reigning NFC champions. It's really frustrating to watch because logic
Speaker 1: says that they shouldn't be any good, Like, I don't
Speaker 1: think this is a particularly good team, balented roster type thing,
Speaker 1: and there's talent there, but like, you shouldn't be able
Speaker 1: to win in the NFL against the Cincinnati Bengals playing
Speaker 1: four guards on your offensive line. If this doesn't make sense,
Speaker 1: But Aaron Rodgers is a freak show. I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't know if you watched this game against the Bears,
Speaker 1: but he had. It was very Dak esque where the
Speaker 1: play completely broke down. He bolted left and then came
Speaker 1: back and then ran through the pocket which was collapsing,
Speaker 1: and just throws this running prayer fifty eight yards down
Speaker 1: the field to Jordy Nelson who's in between the safeties
Speaker 1: and catches it and does a little shimmy move and
Speaker 1: gets fifteen extra yards. It's just like it's really it's
Speaker 1: demoralizing as if you're if you're somebody who doesn't want
Speaker 1: the Packers to win, it's hard to watch. Um. So
Speaker 1: that's where I'm at with that. I really I'm not saying,
Speaker 1: and I'm not saying thanks for joining us this week.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying you can't beat them, because the Falcons
Speaker 1: did it and the Bengals came awfully close. And that
Speaker 1: was actually the question that I wanted to as you're
Speaker 1: talking about all that, I wanted to get Nick to
Speaker 1: take us back to last season and the Cowboys did
Speaker 1: go to Green beat them. Yeah, gotta win. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: he's going to me, David, And so it was. But
Speaker 1: I want you to take me back to last season.
Speaker 1: Take me back to last season. What did the Cowboys do,
Speaker 1: because they were facing a similar type team from the
Speaker 1: standpoint that Rogers was still the catalyst that made everything go.
Speaker 1: What did they do to get a win? Well, Rogers
Speaker 1: really wasn't very good in that game. I mean, he
Speaker 1: got hot later on in the season and they won
Speaker 1: seven in a row and he didn't throw an interception
Speaker 1: until Jeff Heath came along. But hey, they had a
Speaker 1: lot of problems in that game getting it blocked. David
Speaker 1: Irving had a decent game from he played nineteen snaps.
Speaker 1: Now he did was the NFC Player of the Week
Speaker 1: with three forced fumbles, but he wasn't the only guy
Speaker 1: out there. He was playing half the snaps They got
Speaker 1: after him. Really well, the weather wasn't that great, so
Speaker 1: it wasn't one of those where he could sling it
Speaker 1: around a lot. I think, if I remember, his receivers
Speaker 1: had a few drops in the game and so and
Speaker 1: the Cowboys set the tone early by jumping up on
Speaker 1: him and kind of you know that they had control
Speaker 1: of that game for the most part. I had a
Speaker 1: couple of big plays right before halftime with Lucky Whitehead
Speaker 1: if I remember, But I just think that the Cowboys
Speaker 1: were just completely better on both sides of the ball.
Speaker 1: They could not stop Beasley. And I think for the
Speaker 1: most part, when it comes to Rogers, he was off.
Speaker 1: He was not the Rodgers that we had seen before
Speaker 1: and then that we saw later in the season. But
Speaker 1: that and I think he kind of fooled a lot
Speaker 1: of people by thinking, well, you know, they kind of
Speaker 1: had his number. But but he was a different quarterback
Speaker 1: down the stretch at the season, but that game was not.
Speaker 1: He was not in his Aaron Rodgers esque type game. Dave,
Speaker 1: you talk about what's how how this doesn't when you
Speaker 1: watch this team, you're like, how are they winning? When
Speaker 1: you look at the offensive line. Another thing that's very
Speaker 1: uncharacteristic in today's NFL for a really good team is
Speaker 1: that they didn't even try to run the ball for
Speaker 1: the most part. I mean, right now, they are twit.
Speaker 1: I think they're averaging like twenty rushes per game and
Speaker 1: like forty passes per game. Like they're throwing the ball
Speaker 1: at a at a much higher clip than they're running
Speaker 1: the ball. And that doesn't mean that when they run
Speaker 1: they aren't getting a little bit here and there to
Speaker 1: kind of keep teams honest. But by and large, when
Speaker 1: you look at it from that standpoint, they are a
Speaker 1: throwing team and running is something that they do just
Speaker 1: has a secondary type, almost like an afterthought. I don't
Speaker 1: completely agree with that because, um who was for instance,
Speaker 1: and I know David Johnson's hurt, but the Packers look
Speaker 1: like a better running team than the Arizona Cardinals did,
Speaker 1: Like I mean, I don't don't. Yeah, but that's also
Speaker 1: because David Johnson's not there, And if David Johnson were there,
Speaker 1: they would be running a lot more and a lot
Speaker 1: more effectively, right, I mean in their last two games.
Speaker 1: I know, I know it's the Bears, but I mean
Speaker 1: they've leaned on the run. In that game they ran
Speaker 1: for one hundred yards As a team that their average
Speaker 1: isn't great, and and it's not anything impressive. I mean
Speaker 1: a wide receivers, they're leading running back. They've got two
Speaker 1: draft picks, Jamal Williams and Aaron Jones behind him. It's
Speaker 1: not impressive. It's not the Cowboys by any stretch of
Speaker 1: the imagination, but I still think it's it's part of
Speaker 1: their offense. They're actually much like the Cowboys. Really even
Speaker 1: more so than the Cowboys. They're a rare NFL team
Speaker 1: that uses a fullback. They drafted Aaron Ripkowski. That's the
Speaker 1: funny thing when you watch these guys, is you go
Speaker 1: into the You're like, well, it's Aaron Rodgers and the
Speaker 1: Packers they're five. They're four or five wide every time.
Speaker 1: That's not really true. Like they run a lot of
Speaker 1: twenty one personnel. Ripkowski's in there all the time as
Speaker 1: a blocker and receiver. They have Martellis Bennett, Lance Kendricks,
Speaker 1: Richard Rodgers. Their tight ends have been there forever or
Speaker 1: Rodgers has. I mean there's usually one or two on
Speaker 1: the field. So like you see a lot of that
Speaker 1: type of traditional personnel from these guys. Yes, but they
Speaker 1: throw out of it a less. They do because even
Speaker 1: the running back, I mean, you look at at at
Speaker 1: um at at Montgomery, he's the he has the second
Speaker 1: most catches on the team. Like, they still throw a
Speaker 1: lot to the running back. I'm not I'm not trying
Speaker 1: to convince you that this is a ground and pound offense.
Speaker 1: I just it's I think it's a mistake to assume
Speaker 1: that they're throwing the ball sixty times a game, and
Speaker 1: I will say this their worst their worst performance of
Speaker 1: the year was in Atlanta where they got behind and
Speaker 1: the running game really was not and was an afterthought.
Speaker 1: I think they ran for forty total yards as a
Speaker 1: team that day, and all of their good performances, they've
Speaker 1: at least gotten up near one hundred yards as a team,
Speaker 1: if not more. So, what did Atlanta do to to
Speaker 1: put them in that situation? Uh? I actually so I
Speaker 1: watched You know again, I don't watch. I did not
Speaker 1: go back to last season and watched their games. I
Speaker 1: didn't do it. If no, I don't even well I saw,
Speaker 1: I saw Brian was I watched that with Brian yesterday?
Speaker 1: Actually I did. Um So, I watched the Bears game,
Speaker 1: and I was like this, this really isn't indicative because
Speaker 1: the Bears are terrible. I need to see more than this.
Speaker 1: So I went back and watched the Falcons game. First
Speaker 1: of all, I think to beat the Packers you got
Speaker 1: to have an explosive offense like the Falcons that can
Speaker 1: score points. And I think you've got to have a
Speaker 1: good pass rush, because we just talked about this Packers
Speaker 1: offensive line. They're not good. Fifteen sacks in four games.
Speaker 1: They got to him four times in that game on
Speaker 1: top of that, so they were able to force three
Speaker 1: Packer punts in that first half, and then they got
Speaker 1: points on three of their own four drives in that sequence.
Speaker 1: So they're up seventeen to seven, and then Rogers throws
Speaker 1: a pick on the last possession of the half that
Speaker 1: sets them up to take a twenty four to seven lead.
Speaker 1: And then on the first play of the third quarter,
Speaker 1: they strip sack him and return it for a touchdown,
Speaker 1: and they're up thirty one to seven. And they still
Speaker 1: only won thirty four to twenty three. So even with
Speaker 1: a twenty four point lead in the second half, I
Speaker 1: don't want to say they had to hold on for
Speaker 1: dear life, because they still won by nine points. But
Speaker 1: it's not like the Packers just rolled over. I mean,
Speaker 1: as long as they have Rogers, they have a chance,
Speaker 1: so you gotta sack them. I really, I'll be surprised
Speaker 1: if the Cowboys win this game without winning the turnover battle.
Speaker 1: So with that being said, and talking about explosive offense, Amber,
Speaker 1: how comfortable do you feel knowing what the Cowboys have
Speaker 1: done offensively, some of the struggles that they've had at
Speaker 1: moments looking good. I think at first half this last
Speaker 1: game they look good on offense. How comfortable do you
Speaker 1: feel that they have the kind of explosive offense, especially
Speaker 1: in the first half, that that can get them to
Speaker 1: kind of lead possibly that they would need in order
Speaker 1: to maybe use that blueprint again, I think we've seen
Speaker 1: what they are capable of doing. I just think they
Speaker 1: need to keep that going, be more consistent again, mix
Speaker 1: it up a little bit, don't be forcing it like
Speaker 1: we keep saying it, don't be forcing it two does,
Speaker 1: and just keep try to get those guys more involved,
Speaker 1: like Jason Witten and Cole Beasley. I'm going through a
Speaker 1: lot of the comment on Twitter, and I know we'll
Speaker 1: get into is into this later on, but after you
Speaker 1: said all your stats on Aaron Rodgers, everyone's pretty concerned
Speaker 1: about this game. So based on what the Cowboys have
Speaker 1: right now, how could they stop the Packers offensively? Well,
Speaker 1: everyone's concerned if there is a is there hope here?
Speaker 1: What's the spread? The Cowboys are favored by two? Is
Speaker 1: that right? Really? Yeah? Wow? Honestly I don't think that's crazy,
Speaker 1: and I'll and my answer, I'm just surprised that that
Speaker 1: would be the way that it goes based upon the
Speaker 1: Cowboys last week and the Packers being with Aaron Rodgers right,
Speaker 1: just the whole thing shapes up weird. But the Packers
Speaker 1: have played one home a road game. That was the
Speaker 1: Atlanta game that you were talking about. So not that
Speaker 1: they haven't proven they could go in and win against
Speaker 1: you know, you know in Arlington, but still you know,
Speaker 1: home game Cowboys. If I guess, I don't know, they
Speaker 1: didn't play Yeah, after saying them playing against the Rams
Speaker 1: and then but see, I think I think maybe they're
Speaker 1: factoring in. I mean, Cowboys are going to get some
Speaker 1: players back here on defense this week or they're hoping
Speaker 1: to it. I have a feeling I said the same
Speaker 1: thing leading into the playoff game last year. Numbers two
Speaker 1: to fifty three. I'll take the Cowboys roster every single time.
Speaker 1: It just so happens that number one is a big, big,
Speaker 1: big difference maker. Would you take number one over two
Speaker 1: and three for the Cowboys? Yes, I don't even know
Speaker 1: who that is. I don't either, but I'll tell you
Speaker 1: if it means I have Aaron Rodgers, I want that ums.
Speaker 1: I don't know who the Cowboys. So to answer your question, Amber,
Speaker 1: Um give the fansom hope? How can how can they Packers?
Speaker 1: If I sounded doom and gloom, I'm sorry, I really don't.
Speaker 1: It's not like this is an insurmountable task. It's just
Speaker 1: it's frustrating to watch this team because logic says they
Speaker 1: shouldn't be any good, and yet here they are. Um,
Speaker 1: if there's I'm watching the injury report this week. I
Speaker 1: don't root for injuries. I don't. I always want players
Speaker 1: to be healthy. But man, it would be nice for
Speaker 1: the Cowboys if David Baktiar and Brian Bulaga didn't play
Speaker 1: in this game, because I know they weren't as good
Speaker 1: last week against the Rams. But this pass rush has
Speaker 1: shown a lot of promise in this first month of
Speaker 1: the season, and I gotta believe to Marcus Lawrence and
Speaker 1: these guys can get the better of four guards, three
Speaker 1: of whom weren't drafted, who were starting on this offensive line. Well,
Speaker 1: but I mean it's just that that's a huge difference.
Speaker 1: And like I said, I mean, you can get to him.
Speaker 1: The Seahawks did it four times. The Packers only won
Speaker 1: that game seventeen to nine. It's not like they were
Speaker 1: just you know, throwing the ball all over the park
Speaker 1: that day. The Bengals got to him six times that
Speaker 1: game had to go to overtime, and then even Chicago
Speaker 1: got to him twice. So I gotta believe the Cowboys
Speaker 1: can put put him on the ground at two or
Speaker 1: three times. I know he gets the ball out really quickly,
Speaker 1: just like Eli Manning. But that offensive line, the Cowboy
Speaker 1: I can't believe I'm saying this. The Cowboys edge as
Speaker 1: a defensive line against this offensive line, I think is
Speaker 1: their best hope for success. Isn't that not crazy? Looking
Speaker 1: where we are? I mean it all it takes us
Speaker 1: a few weeks and everything changes, right. It's amazing that
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers is playing his thirteenth year. This is third.
Speaker 1: Doesn't seem like that now. I mean, I understand that
Speaker 1: he didn't he didn't play his first couple. In fact,
Speaker 1: his first game that he really really played a lot
Speaker 1: was against the Cowboys in two thousand and seven. That
Speaker 1: will be a feature and throwback Thursday this week. But
Speaker 1: they hurt Brett Farve, knocked him out of the game
Speaker 1: and thought, wow, got him. And then here comes Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers and he showed right then that he was pretty
Speaker 1: good too. But it's just it's it's surprising. Do you
Speaker 1: know what his record is against the Cowboys in regular season?
Speaker 1: Three and three? Yeah, look that up. Oh you just guessed,
Speaker 1: Oh you just guess the number that you just know
Speaker 1: fer to the two thousand and ten game that got
Speaker 1: Aid fired twenty fifteen, I'm missing a win and then
Speaker 1: he lost in twenty sixteen. That's honestly surprising to me.
Speaker 1: I thought he okay in the regular season eight. I
Speaker 1: mean they've they've played him okay in regular season. It's yeah,
Speaker 1: it's the postseason. He's doing a hillo for the Cowboys
Speaker 1: because in both games, there were these moments that you'll
Speaker 1: forever remember, right, each one of them had a moment
Speaker 1: you'll forever remember that was unlikely. I'm glad kind of
Speaker 1: you have to deal with. I'm glad you brought that up.
Speaker 1: I assume one of those two things you're referring to
Speaker 1: as the Jared Cook play. Yes, Um, this is a
Speaker 1: big game for David Irving to be back, and it's
Speaker 1: a game where I think MALIEK. Collins needs to show
Speaker 1: up too, because all right, we know Lawrence is having
Speaker 1: a great season. They can't just pressure him. They had
Speaker 1: like that. I was talking about that with Brian this morning,
Speaker 1: Like you gotta pressure him and like collapse this whole
Speaker 1: thing around him. You gotta make him give up on
Speaker 1: the play. Run. Not only can he run like he
Speaker 1: wants to stend the play, That's what he wants to
Speaker 1: do because he can do stuff like that when he
Speaker 1: has a chance. It doesn't matter if he's running for
Speaker 1: his life because he can throw a forty yard rope
Speaker 1: to Jared Cook. He's on the run. Ye Romo called
Speaker 1: it in the Bears game this last Thursday. He was like,
Speaker 1: if his first read's not there, he's going to extend
Speaker 1: the play. And once he extends the play, it all changes.
Speaker 1: And that's exactly what happened. And he went stepped up
Speaker 1: and then broke right and just had an easy throw too.
Speaker 1: I think it was Jordy Nelson or it is frustrating
Speaker 1: when you watching it isn't opposed. That's what I'm talking.
Speaker 1: I mean, like I said it, really getting pressure on
Speaker 1: him is not enough because like eighty five percent of
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks in the league are just going to throw
Speaker 1: the ball away or live to fight another day, but
Speaker 1: not him, Like you have to get a lot of
Speaker 1: pressure and contain him to the point where he just
Speaker 1: gives up on the play. Otherwise he's always going to
Speaker 1: have a chance to hurt you. All Right, We're gonna
Speaker 1: take our first break. When we come back, I want
Speaker 1: to talk a little bit more about this defensive front,
Speaker 1: particularly to Marcus Lawrence, and how he's going to probably
Speaker 1: be getting a lot more to here in the next
Speaker 1: several weeks and maybe, if not for the rest of
Speaker 1: the season. And I'll ask you guys the question, who's
Speaker 1: the guy that you expect this week can be the
Speaker 1: person that takes advantage of the added attention that goes
Speaker 1: to the Marcus large. We'll do that when we come
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Speaker 1: the second segment of the Brake Block from the s
Speaker 1: WBC Mortgage Studios. At the start, we're talking about Cowboys
Speaker 1: versus Packers. Dave did an effective job of scaring all
Speaker 1: your fans out there and making you think that this
Speaker 1: is an impossible task for the Cowboys. But if you're
Speaker 1: an NFL fan, you've watched enough of everybody to be
Speaker 1: scared without me having to tell you, yeah, you just
Speaker 1: reinforced it. You just brought it all back up to it.
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, you got a point there. I do
Speaker 1: want to say, this is something I forget. I kind
Speaker 1: of left out. I mentioned the tack he left something.
Speaker 1: Hell no, well, this could work in the Cowboys favor.
Speaker 1: I mentioned the tackles. That's gonna bear watching. Tie Montgomery
Speaker 1: broke his ribs in or a rib in that game
Speaker 1: against the Bears. He says he's gonna try to play,
Speaker 1: which more power to you, dude. Um. Davante Adams, one
Speaker 1: of the took one of the nastiest hits I've seen
Speaker 1: in a long time, to the point where I was
Speaker 1: worried about his well being, very seriously so. When he
Speaker 1: left that game against the Bears. He's gonna try to
Speaker 1: play too, which is also amazing to me. We'll see
Speaker 1: if they do. Um. Jamal Williams, their backup running back,
Speaker 1: also got hurt. He's kind of he's questionable slash probable
Speaker 1: as well. So all that stuff bears watching heading into
Speaker 1: this game. Again, I don't know that it really matters
Speaker 1: if Davante Adams can't play because you still have Jordy Nelson,
Speaker 1: Randall Cobb, and Geronimo Allison. But something to watch. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it'll be and Martellis and I think that's something worth
Speaker 1: noting too. There's a tight end there that he is
Speaker 1: a guy that has the ability to get down field
Speaker 1: a time really has kind of been an afterthought for
Speaker 1: these guys. Yeah, but I kind of expected that. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's a it's a new team, and he's coming into
Speaker 1: kind of a core that has receivers that are very
Speaker 1: well known to the quarterback and he's comfortable with. So
Speaker 1: he's going to be the kind of guy that's gonna
Speaker 1: make those frustrating catches for you when you got everybody
Speaker 1: else covered being Oh wow, yeah, it's been it's still open.
Speaker 1: His best, his best game of the season was his
Speaker 1: most recent game. So maybe he's what I'm excited about
Speaker 1: is that he's gonna get to talk this week in
Speaker 1: the media and say something about Whitton and Witten's gonna
Speaker 1: have to respond to it. Maybe maybe not, maybe not,
Speaker 1: I hope not. I mean we've done this like eight
Speaker 1: times now. I mean he's gone to other teams and
Speaker 1: played the Cowboys before. But he'll say something about he
Speaker 1: didn't like Witton or but you know how that goes.
Speaker 1: Part of that is because he'll be asked the question. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it all start because the media's gonna look at and say,
Speaker 1: here's a juicy line. Hey, martell Us, what do you
Speaker 1: think about playing the Cowboys? And what do you think
Speaker 1: about Jason Witten? And like, and then it comes all
Speaker 1: back up over again because he's answering the question. Maybe
Speaker 1: the answers it. Honestly, he does. Yeah, the last half
Speaker 1: of his name is true. He'll tell us. I mean,
Speaker 1: he'll definitely tell us what's what's happening. He will go ahead, Dave.
Speaker 1: Maybe the Packers media will be so concerned with all
Speaker 1: the injuries that team is facing that they'll that'll kind
Speaker 1: of get brushed under the rug. The question is do
Speaker 1: you think the Cowboys media will well the opposing conference
Speaker 1: call with the Dallas media who it's Rogers, so will
Speaker 1: be after the game when the first time the Dallas
Speaker 1: media will have access to him. Yeah, but the national guys,
Speaker 1: I'm sure will maybe reach out to martell Us just
Speaker 1: to get a nice juicy he'll say something this week.
Speaker 1: I mean he will, and he'll give him a juicy line.
Speaker 1: And Jason will be asked about it too, you know,
Speaker 1: back here. Just but you know, he's not the only
Speaker 1: guy that's ever you know, the drafted that didn't get
Speaker 1: on the field. I mean, when you play fifteen straight
Speaker 1: seasons and never miss a game, but you know, after
Speaker 1: your rookie year, there's a lot of probably backup tight
Speaker 1: ends out there that kind of think they should be playing.
Speaker 1: So he's the only one in the league still right
Speaker 1: as far as I know, I don't believe John Phillips
Speaker 1: is in the league. I don't know. I think the
Speaker 1: Signo is still in the league. I'm not positive about
Speaker 1: Gavin Escovar is not not no um. But but you
Speaker 1: look at this and he's just one more receiving threat
Speaker 1: for them. Looking at all the receivers that you've talked
Speaker 1: about Dave. Did the Cowboys have enough defensive backs he
Speaker 1: can like to cover these guys? Think about the injuries
Speaker 1: and all that kind of stuff. How many guys are
Speaker 1: you expecting back this week? And it's this going to
Speaker 1: be a game where you really think that the Cowboys
Speaker 1: can match up? Well, they've definitely drafted enough guys and
Speaker 1: they have the guys in the building. Are they going
Speaker 1: to be healthy enough to be able to match up
Speaker 1: with the Packers? I think so, because again, they have
Speaker 1: weapons for sure. I'm not trying to downplay that, but
Speaker 1: I guess that kind of goes back to my point
Speaker 1: from earlier is like these guys aren't just in an
Speaker 1: empty formation fifty times a game. You know, they have
Speaker 1: their two Nelson and Cobb that they really like, and
Speaker 1: then Davante Adams is there, he might not play. You
Speaker 1: have Geronimo Allison backing them up. So I feel like
Speaker 1: it's it's not that it's unusual. I feel like to
Speaker 1: see more than three out there, So like you have
Speaker 1: the numbers to do it, obviously, numbers versus actually being
Speaker 1: capable of doing it. Two different stories. But you got
Speaker 1: Jordan Lewis, you got Orlando Scandrick you got Anthony Brown,
Speaker 1: Your safeties are healthy. Shit. Abe Woozier is the big
Speaker 1: question mark there, but I think there's optimism that he
Speaker 1: can get himself ready this week. And then as of
Speaker 1: right now, you still have benab and Wickery. We'll see,
Speaker 1: we'll see what happens with that as the week goes.
Speaker 1: He might be released to make room for David Irving. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you have the numbers. It's just, you know, matter of
Speaker 1: match up with him, especially against a quarterback who's really
Speaker 1: good at extending plays. That's the thing that worries me.
Speaker 1: What's your level of concerned after watching Todd Gurley do
Speaker 1: what he did last week in the passing game and
Speaker 1: now facing a team with Montgomery. Let's assume the plays
Speaker 1: right now, he's a second, he has a second most
Speaker 1: catches on that team being the Cowboys. Being able to
Speaker 1: effectively cover a running back coming out of the backfield
Speaker 1: catching passes, I think it's a little bit different when
Speaker 1: you're talking about a running back that runs the ball first.
Speaker 1: That's what he does. Gurley hurts you running the football.
Speaker 1: That's what you're worried about more than anything. I don't
Speaker 1: think then once he's at back there and then he
Speaker 1: becomes a threat because he can do other things. If
Speaker 1: you're not a legitimate threat to run the ball, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't see it to be as much of a
Speaker 1: problem because that's not the first priority for the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: The Cowboys is to stop the run, and so when
Speaker 1: they've when they've established they can stop the run, even
Speaker 1: having a running back out of the backfield, that that
Speaker 1: does lines up in other areas. I don't think it's
Speaker 1: it's I'm not saying he can't hurt you, but I'm
Speaker 1: just saying Gurley, I think his effect and the same
Speaker 1: with Zeke when he catch the ball, it's because you
Speaker 1: have to worry about them running the football. That's what
Speaker 1: they do. They're running backs. Then when they when you
Speaker 1: think you've got that cover, they sneak out there. But
Speaker 1: if if Montgomery's out there and you're not as concerned
Speaker 1: with him running it, I don't I wouldn't be as
Speaker 1: concerned by that, you know what. Going back to that
Speaker 1: game to the Rams, I thought, and I have mixed
Speaker 1: feelings about this defense just overall, like on moments they
Speaker 1: give me a little bit of hope and then next
Speaker 1: thing you know, he's like, oh my God, are you
Speaker 1: kidding me? But um, for example, last game, they did
Speaker 1: a pretty good job stopping Girly at least during the
Speaker 1: first half. Then in the second half when they weren't
Speaker 1: able to get help from the offense, just you know,
Speaker 1: being on the field so much, I feel that's where
Speaker 1: they begin struggling, you know, they started struggling. So for example,
Speaker 1: for this game against the Packers, I think they can
Speaker 1: do enough to kind of keep the Cowboys in the game.
Speaker 1: They're not gonna be rate. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: like Dave was saying, Montgomery suffering from his rib injury,
Speaker 1: which we would hope that even if he plays, we
Speaker 1: hope that that doesn't become a problem for the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: And even then, again, the Packers their strongest asset is
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers the passing game. So just overall my feeling
Speaker 1: for these defense going against the Packers, I think they
Speaker 1: can do enough to keep the Cowboys going, but they
Speaker 1: won't win if the offense doesn't get you know, doesn't
Speaker 1: help them and start scoring points. Montgomery gives me pause
Speaker 1: because of his receiving background and his ability to get
Speaker 1: out in space, but if that's all he can do,
Speaker 1: it doesn't bother me as much. And I mean that
Speaker 1: is and I was the one that was just defending
Speaker 1: the Packers running game. But I have to give the
Speaker 1: Dallas defensive line the edge in this matchup, especially if
Speaker 1: you know to a your four are not out there
Speaker 1: for the Packers your tackles, and then I am assuming
Speaker 1: Sean Lee plays in this game, which that would make
Speaker 1: your run defense that much better. So if Montgomery's contributing
Speaker 1: to the passing game, that's great. This is much like
Speaker 1: the Cardinals. This is one of those games. And I
Speaker 1: think that kind of ties into what Amber is saying
Speaker 1: is you're not going to shut down Aaron Rodgers. You're
Speaker 1: not going to shut him down. You prepare for him
Speaker 1: to throw for a round or more than three hundred yards,
Speaker 1: and you just have to kind of hope for the
Speaker 1: breaks limit, you know, keep the thirty yard games from
Speaker 1: becoming sixty yard touchdowns, hopefully force a turnover or two,
Speaker 1: and hope that your offense is clicking and can keep up.
Speaker 1: So with all of that in mind, if I'm just
Speaker 1: assuming Rogers is going to have his day, but if
Speaker 1: you can shut down the running game and make it
Speaker 1: more one dimensional, I call that a win. And maybe
Speaker 1: that's greating on a curve, but I think that's the
Speaker 1: expectation that you have to have for a defense when
Speaker 1: you're playing him. Maybe I didn't give I didn't explain
Speaker 1: the question well enough because I actually am a little
Speaker 1: bit concerned, And I guess my concern comes from not necessarily. Again,
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about Montgomery as a rusher. I'm talking
Speaker 1: about Montgomery coming out of the backfield. And last week,
Speaker 1: the one thing that was concerning to me was that
Speaker 1: Cowboys seem to have an inability to cover Girl. Now,
Speaker 1: Girl is a different athlete. He's a much better athlete
Speaker 1: than most of the running backs to Cowboys will face
Speaker 1: this year. But for a guy that's a trained wide
Speaker 1: receiver that is now playing running back, it does concern
Speaker 1: me him coming out of the backfield. And that's my question.
Speaker 1: Is I understand if I'm a lot less concerned if
Speaker 1: I get Hitchens and or shun Lee back this week.
Speaker 1: If I don't, I think I'm very concerned with what
Speaker 1: I saw last weekend with the linebackers that they have
Speaker 1: left being able to cover a guy who is a
Speaker 1: dept at being able to run routes and catch the ball.
Speaker 1: I thought I did answer your question. That's a very
Speaker 1: real concern, especially if at least one of those linebackers
Speaker 1: isn't back. But if he's one dimensional to the point
Speaker 1: where you know you have to account for that, you
Speaker 1: can put a defensive back out there to deal with
Speaker 1: him or to follow him, and you're not worried about
Speaker 1: him just gashing your defense as a running back. But
Speaker 1: they've been I know what you said about the running game.
Speaker 1: They've been one dimensional. They are averaging forty passes a
Speaker 1: game and averaging twenty rushes a game. They are they
Speaker 1: are the definition of a one dimensional team, and they're
Speaker 1: okay with that offensive and time. That's how they run
Speaker 1: and the time. Mongomery hasn't been killing any I mean,
Speaker 1: he hasn't been killing people. Like I said. He was
Speaker 1: their leading receiver in Atlanta. He had six catches for
Speaker 1: seventy five yards. They lost that game by two possessions.
Speaker 1: I he's not tied Gurley in the sense that And
Speaker 1: I guess what I mean is as long as he's
Speaker 1: not ripping off five yards per carry and being multi
Speaker 1: dimensional to the point where you don't know what he's
Speaker 1: gonna do or where he's going when the play starts.
Speaker 1: I think they can handle that. You know, if Julio
Speaker 1: Jones lines up in the backfield, a linebacker is not
Speaker 1: just gonna say, well, he's a running back, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: take him. I mean, I think you still treat him
Speaker 1: like a receiver. And I would think the Cowboys still,
Speaker 1: like Dave said, treat Montgomery like a wide receiver. Uh.
Speaker 1: You know, if he starts running the ball on third
Speaker 1: and one and plowing over your defensive ends, okay, then
Speaker 1: that's a little different. But he's kept eighty eight for
Speaker 1: a reason. I think he is primarily a receiver, and
Speaker 1: I think when he's back there, I think that they
Speaker 1: need to treat him that way. Safeties, So when you
Speaker 1: say that, do you think that maybe Cowboys, even when
Speaker 1: they're presenting, like you said, a twenty one package, would
Speaker 1: you think maybe they stick with a nickel maybe because
Speaker 1: you want that extra guy, because you think that running
Speaker 1: backs more of a wide receiver than a running back.
Speaker 1: I think that's a great point. I think you have
Speaker 1: to do that. I think you have to play more
Speaker 1: that way than than you would just a lot of
Speaker 1: base defense, or especially short yardage defense. I would play
Speaker 1: this whole game in nickel or maybe even dime, no
Speaker 1: matter what they go to for the most part, because
Speaker 1: you know that they like to throw the ball. I
Speaker 1: mean like they like to throw the ball way more
Speaker 1: they like to run it. Maybe not, I'm dime is
Speaker 1: a little extreme, but I would I would like yeah,
Speaker 1: I would like to think that your nickel defense can
Speaker 1: still not get embarrassed by this running game if Sean
Speaker 1: Lee's out there and can help clean this stuff up.
Speaker 1: And again, if they're starting two tackles or not playing
Speaker 1: in this game, if the defensive line can't hold it,
Speaker 1: don't hold its own, then they've got big problems. So
Speaker 1: all right, let's get to some questions. You guys give
Speaker 1: us a call. Numbers two one four eight seven two
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Speaker 1: hit us on Twitter at Cowboys Breaking. We will start
Speaker 1: with miss Amber. We know that David Irving is back,
Speaker 1: and he talked of all during his time off or
Speaker 1: during time off but suspension. He's been working out, playing
Speaker 1: video games, eating, taking naps. So one of the questions here,
Speaker 1: a few of the questions are the same. Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: been that's his that was his routine. Okay, so getting
Speaker 1: ready for his comeback. If the Cowboys decided to make
Speaker 1: him active for this upcoming game, do you guys think
Speaker 1: that he will be up to speed with his game. Well,
Speaker 1: he doesn't look like he doesn't look like the same
Speaker 1: guy that he training camp, and I'm sure that that's
Speaker 1: going to happen with That just means he doesn't look
Speaker 1: like the same person. He looks like he's been off
Speaker 1: for four weeks a little bit. Really, Yeah, but not
Speaker 1: to say that he's not going to be effective or
Speaker 1: can't be effective for you know, limited amount. I'm sure
Speaker 1: he'll play a few snaps. I mean, I don't think
Speaker 1: he will give him fifty sixty snaps, but he'll probably
Speaker 1: take what Taco did or has done or not done,
Speaker 1: and he'll he'll take those snaps. So I think he'll
Speaker 1: be effective because he is a big body, and he
Speaker 1: is he's is a tough mismatch because of just his length.
Speaker 1: So I think if he gets out there and he's
Speaker 1: got something to prove, he'll probably make a little bit
Speaker 1: of a difference. Nothing to earth shattering. I think it
Speaker 1: was you that made the point one. He y all
Speaker 1: made the point yesterday that typically guys coming off to
Speaker 1: suspension don't just wreck shop right away. Greg Hardy did it,
Speaker 1: and but not but no, not many others. Well, Greg Hardy,
Speaker 1: for all of his faults as a person, was an
Speaker 1: all pro franchise tag caliber And yeah, and David Irving
Speaker 1: is not. Um, I think he'll play, and I don't
Speaker 1: know he'll be out there. I'm not. I'm not counting
Speaker 1: on him to do what he did in Lamb at
Speaker 1: Lambeau last year, that's for sure. Yeah, maybe I'm just
Speaker 1: a pessimist. What's the maybe just to let him, what's
Speaker 1: the position that concerned to you guide the most from
Speaker 1: the Cowboys, and it could be offensively or defensive, cornerback,
Speaker 1: safety whatever. Looking at both of them, Yes, I mean
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, I mean both of those positions really
Speaker 1: just because mainly the corners, because you know they're gonna
Speaker 1: have a hard time stopping those receivers anyways. But then,
Speaker 1: just like you're talking about the play extending, you know
Speaker 1: you got the guy, you got Jordy Nelson on twenty
Speaker 1: yards down the field, then he cuts back and you
Speaker 1: know you've got him, And next thing you know, Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers is still running around and then he goes back
Speaker 1: the other way and either holding or it's just when
Speaker 1: that play is the coverage has to be extended as well,
Speaker 1: and covered him for two or three seconds as hard
Speaker 1: as five or six is almost impossible. Yeah, the only
Speaker 1: opportunity will yes, I'll say that, the only opportunity we've
Speaker 1: seen to see this defense this year against this caliber
Speaker 1: wide receivers was Denver and those guys. It wasn't that
Speaker 1: they were making that they were making such great throws
Speaker 1: down field. There was one really good when the touchdown throw,
Speaker 1: but there were a whole bunch of throws that were
Speaker 1: just underneath and those cornerbacks just they couldn't make the tackle.
Speaker 1: And you talk about a team like that, that's how
Speaker 1: Randall Cobb is. That's Randall Cobb's game. Get the ball
Speaker 1: to him quick, he makes a move and then he
Speaker 1: tries to get more yards. And so I just think that,
Speaker 1: you know, until they showed me that they can beat that,
Speaker 1: Until they show me that there that they can manage
Speaker 1: that kind of wide receiving corps and a quarterback that
Speaker 1: could find the open guy and get it to him quickly,
Speaker 1: then I'm very concerned. Yeah, I'm with you. I think
Speaker 1: safety just because, like I said, against an offense like
Speaker 1: this and a quarterback like this, you just have to
Speaker 1: assume that they're going to hit some chunk plays. That's
Speaker 1: just how it happens. You. Just the difference is whether
Speaker 1: you can keep that to eighteen to twenty five yards
Speaker 1: instead of forty eight or fifty yards? Can you hold
Speaker 1: this team to field goals instead of touchdown? Right? Like,
Speaker 1: if you can do that, you could beat this team.
Speaker 1: But that's a big task, and that girly play just
Speaker 1: keeps playing over and over again in my mind, where
Speaker 1: I'm just like, man, that's the last thing they need
Speaker 1: is for Ranald Cobb to catch like a five yard
Speaker 1: out and do that and then all of a sudden
Speaker 1: somebody takes a bad angle or something and he's gone.
Speaker 1: That's what he does, like, that's his game. So that
Speaker 1: has to concern you if you're a Cowboys fan and
Speaker 1: you're being objective about this, right, yeah, all right, let's
Speaker 1: take our final break. When we come back, we'll get
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Speaker 1: half of a laugh. He didn't That's exactly what I
Speaker 1: just said. But but the Amber was saying something else,
Speaker 1: but I did say the exact same thing. It's okay, okay,
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Speaker 1: what you said. You talked about protecting your franchise player.
Speaker 1: I wonder if Aaron Rodgers will be warning there's just
Speaker 1: one franchise tag. You don't really have multiple franchise players. Now,
Speaker 1: all right, we're gonna move on. We're gonna move on
Speaker 1: because I don't want to go farther down that road.
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Speaker 1: Let's take a call right now from Jay in New York. Jay,
Speaker 1: what up? Hey, what's going on? I'm all right, Um,
Speaker 1: loved your show. You guys do a very good job
Speaker 1: all the shows throughout. Thank you. Just got a quick
Speaker 1: quick comment about the last game. I know we're on
Speaker 1: to Green Bay now, but about the last game, I
Speaker 1: don't think we gave excuse me, I don't think we
Speaker 1: put enough emphasis on how important Ryan switch as fumble was.
Speaker 1: I mean, I know we spoke about it, but I
Speaker 1: think that was a huge part of the game. I mean,
Speaker 1: we had a chance to go into ask time twenty
Speaker 1: four to seven, I mean twenty four to six or
Speaker 1: twenty to six, and he drops the ball. It gives
Speaker 1: the other team a lot more confidence. You know, they
Speaker 1: go into halftime with a completely different speech as opposed
Speaker 1: to you know, the coach trying to rally them, and
Speaker 1: most of the players still not with less confidence than
Speaker 1: They still won't come out right, even though the coach
Speaker 1: wants them to play better. I mean, if they were
Speaker 1: down twenty to six as opposed to I believe it
Speaker 1: was seventeen to thirteen, it's a four point different. A
Speaker 1: coach could just tell them, hey, guys were right here,
Speaker 1: played the horrible half, but we're still right behind them.
Speaker 1: I know we scored before them again, but just like
Speaker 1: in the previous game we had with the Cardinals, when
Speaker 1: they missed that field goal, it changed your whole momentum.
Speaker 1: Although we scored, I mean, although the Cardinals I believe
Speaker 1: scored next after the missfield goal, we still won the
Speaker 1: game because the whole the whole momentum was switched. Also,
Speaker 1: my other comment I'm sorry real quick, is that everybody
Speaker 1: wants to say we held them the field goals. But
Speaker 1: to me, seven field goals equals three touchdowns. So if
Speaker 1: you add that to the two touchdowns, that's five touchdowns
Speaker 1: for a game. So I mean, thirty five points to
Speaker 1: thirty five points, it still five touchdowns or two touchdowns
Speaker 1: and seven field goals. That's seven field goals is just
Speaker 1: way too much to equal three touchdowns. All right, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna hang up down and listen to you guys, Thank you,
Speaker 1: thanks for the call. I guess he's just speaking his
Speaker 1: piece on Switzer thing, because I think on Monday we
Speaker 1: all said, I want to say that when when I
Speaker 1: asked the question what was the play that if you
Speaker 1: could have it back, you'd want back? I think two
Speaker 1: out of three of us or four of us actually
Speaker 1: said that that play was the play that changed the game.
Speaker 1: So I think we all agree on that, including the caller.
Speaker 1: I agree with that. But they went in a halftime
Speaker 1: with an eight point league after all that said, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, the NFL teams make runs just like NBA teams,
Speaker 1: Like the game's never over at halftime. The New England
Speaker 1: Patriots proved that in the Super Bowl. So you know
Speaker 1: it's not that I disagree, like that was a huge play.
Speaker 1: That's the play that I would take back. But a
Speaker 1: play that happened with eight minutes left in the second
Speaker 1: quarter can't be the reason why you lost a game,
Speaker 1: so especially when you still had especially when you still
Speaker 1: went in a halftime with the list. I will say
Speaker 1: this about the field goals though, and I actually, fun
Speaker 1: thing is this is the same some of the conversation
Speaker 1: I was having with my wife the other night and
Speaker 1: she was kind of like, this defense, you know, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, here's the thing about the field goals. Yes,
Speaker 1: that's a lot of fiel those to give up. But
Speaker 1: the reality is you got to think about it from
Speaker 1: a standpoint of what how is this defense built, and
Speaker 1: what is their objective? Their objective is to bend, but
Speaker 1: don't give up the touchdown. So we saw this all
Speaker 1: last year, and if the offense is doing what they
Speaker 1: expect the offense to do, this plan for as a
Speaker 1: team works. It's just don't give up the big play,
Speaker 1: don't give up the touchdown. Yeah, you're gonna keep everything
Speaker 1: in front of you, You're gonna let them catch the
Speaker 1: ball sometimes and you're just gonna have to make the tackle.
Speaker 1: But That's how this defense is built to work. It's
Speaker 1: built to be a defense that allows yards, which means
Speaker 1: at times you're gonna give up enough yards for them
Speaker 1: to get down and get a field goal. You're just
Speaker 1: trying to keep them out of the end zone. Where
Speaker 1: did the touchdowns in that game happen? They happened on
Speaker 1: a short field inside the Dallas red zone after a turnover,
Speaker 1: And it happened in the second half after the offense
Speaker 1: had been doing nothing and the defense had been forced
Speaker 1: onto the field too many times in my opinion, And
Speaker 1: maybe I'm letting the defense off the hook, but again,
Speaker 1: I just I feel like there's a disconnect where people are.
Speaker 1: You know, people expect this defense to be elite and
Speaker 1: they're mad at anything but and that it's not the case.
Speaker 1: It hasn't been the case, it's not the case this year.
Speaker 1: You're you're working within the framework of what you have,
Speaker 1: and the framework of what you have is a defense
Speaker 1: that's capable of holding opponents to field goals and hopefully
Speaker 1: not a lot else, right, And it's on the offense
Speaker 1: to not put more on them than that. And they
Speaker 1: couldn't do it in the second half last week. And
Speaker 1: I put far more of the blame on the offense
Speaker 1: for putting them in that situation than I put on
Speaker 1: the defense for being what they are, which is essentially
Speaker 1: a middle of the pack group. Yep, yep, I mean, yep, yep,
Speaker 1: yelp exactly right. Three three played three five three five.
Speaker 1: That's what they started out with. I mean, so when
Speaker 1: you don't get any first downs and you punt and
Speaker 1: they get the ball around the forty yard line, holding
Speaker 1: them to a field goal is a win. That's a
Speaker 1: win pretty much. So, I mean, yeah, you're right, it
Speaker 1: is about the offense. The offense did not give them
Speaker 1: those ten twelve play drives, score touchdowns, you know, put
Speaker 1: the pressure back on them and put them back in
Speaker 1: their own starting point at twenty yard line. I don't
Speaker 1: know what the average starting point of the game was,
Speaker 1: but I guarantee the rams, I mean, it was favorable
Speaker 1: for them. This defense looks a whole lot like last year,
Speaker 1: and they get a little they get more sacks, they
Speaker 1: probably haven't gotten as many turnovers to this point, if
Speaker 1: I had to guess, and they've given up more chunk plays.
Speaker 1: But it's a it's a different version of the same thing.
Speaker 1: But it's a similar formula. Yeah, that's the point. The
Speaker 1: formula is the same and buying large that's how they
Speaker 1: play defense on that's going to happen when you have
Speaker 1: cornerbacks the way they do. I mean, they've lost a
Speaker 1: lot in their cornerbacks because early in the year they
Speaker 1: had car they had Clayborne, they were playing pretty well.
Speaker 1: And now you've got some rookies and young guys out
Speaker 1: there and a lot of injuries. Yea, And what's the
Speaker 1: difference through four weeks. The offense is not just zipping
Speaker 1: down the field like it's no big deal over and
Speaker 1: over again. Yea. So especially fast starts. If there's a yeah,
Speaker 1: right Amber, if there's a silver lining here, it's I mean,
Speaker 1: I've seen enough from the offense to like, I'm not
Speaker 1: I'm not hopeless, like they can't get to that point.
Speaker 1: I think they'll continue to improve and I think they
Speaker 1: can get there, and I think they'll play some easier defenses,
Speaker 1: probably starting this week, even though Aaron Rodgers is on
Speaker 1: the other side. So that's the one reason why, I mean,
Speaker 1: when you look at this, I'm not I'm not so
Speaker 1: panicked about where the Cowboys are right now. Nobody I
Speaker 1: do think this defense is doing what it's meant to do,
Speaker 1: and I just think the offense is gonna have to
Speaker 1: find its way in Right now, I am thinking that
Speaker 1: part of that is because they faced, like I said yesterday,
Speaker 1: in a four week span, they faced the kinds of
Speaker 1: defense they faced over a season last year that gave
Speaker 1: them problems throughout the season. They faced those in a
Speaker 1: four week period this year and you saw the exact
Speaker 1: same things. They haven't improved over that when it comes
Speaker 1: to playing that kind of defense, and they're gonna have
Speaker 1: to learn how to do that because that's what you're
Speaker 1: gonna face in the playoffs. It's funny because you know,
Speaker 1: I'm about to sound like an old salt and I'm
Speaker 1: sitting with Nick who's covered this team since the nineties.
Speaker 1: But like it's almost like people forgot. It's almost it's
Speaker 1: close to when I was born. Wow, well it makes
Speaker 1: me feel old. But it's almost like people forgot how
Speaker 1: the NFL works, because in twenty fifteen, everything sucked, like
Speaker 1: this team just lost and lost and lost and lost,
Speaker 1: and you were thinking about the draft by before Christmas.
Speaker 1: And then last year everything was amazing and they won
Speaker 1: and won and one and one, And the reality of
Speaker 1: the NFL is that ninety percent of the teams in
Speaker 1: the league trade wins and losses, and you have stretches
Speaker 1: where you're losing games, and like this team hasn't. If
Speaker 1: they lose to the Packers, it'll be their first losing
Speaker 1: streak in two years. That's not how That's not the NFL.
Speaker 1: That's not the way it works. And I think, and
Speaker 1: I'm not just talking about fans, by the way, like
Speaker 1: there are people in this building where I'm like, will
Speaker 1: you calm down? Like eight and eight was the norm
Speaker 1: here for a long time, Like you're you win and
Speaker 1: lose games in the NFL. The league is designed that way.
Speaker 1: So it's way too early to be panicking about having
Speaker 1: a five hundred records. Well, I think the Pennkin came
Speaker 1: right after losing against a team like the Rams. But
Speaker 1: a team like the Rams implies that they're a bad team.
Speaker 1: And I'm stay, I'm not trying to convince anybody that
Speaker 1: they're the Patriots. But that was not a one in fifty.
Speaker 1: It's more about losing. How they lost that thing. No,
Speaker 1: the rawer three, the fact that Patriots, Oh yeah, you're
Speaker 1: talking about the big bad Patriots. Yeah, I want to Actually, well,
Speaker 1: the funny thing about the NFL is Patriots fans probably
Speaker 1: are panicking even though like all the evidence in the
Speaker 1: world points to them that they shouldn't be, But they
Speaker 1: probably are because they're not used to that. They're two
Speaker 1: and two and they stole a win right from Houston. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that is true. Yeah, because it kind of probably did
Speaker 1: have won that game. Yeah, and the Saints game was
Speaker 1: sort of back and forth. Who did they lose too
Speaker 1: this week? The Patriots, Um, Carolina. Yeah, they lost to Carolina.
Speaker 1: They beat the Saints pretty bad, Like that was a
Speaker 1: beat down. But your point is well made, like it
Speaker 1: hasn't been easy for them all year, and I believe
Speaker 1: three of their four games have been at home. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So I no, I mean, that's not that's not a
Speaker 1: great start, it's the end. Get it turned around. The
Speaker 1: only team in the league that probably just doesn't feel
Speaker 1: bad about anything is Kansas City because they hadn't lost
Speaker 1: the game yet. But the one thing that we also
Speaker 1: know you talk about the history of the NFL. If
Speaker 1: you've watched the NFL long enough, you know that what
Speaker 1: you see in the first four or five weeks of
Speaker 1: the NFL season is really what you see by the
Speaker 1: end of the season, teams get on runs. And when
Speaker 1: they start getting into October November, those teams that are good,
Speaker 1: they start getting on runs. Regardless of how their first
Speaker 1: month was, they start getting on runs. And those teams
Speaker 1: are the teams that are ended at the end of
Speaker 1: the season, and they're so often that the team that's
Speaker 1: the best team in the NFL as of Week four
Speaker 1: is not the best team when you come to the
Speaker 1: end of the season. So all I'm saying is this
Speaker 1: is don't panic it. It's not time to panic because
Speaker 1: you've seen some good things, you've seen some bad things.
Speaker 1: They just got to clean up the bad things, and
Speaker 1: if they can, which I believe they can, you'll be fine.
Speaker 1: It's having said all that, I completely agree with you.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be tough. You look at the schedule coming up.
Speaker 1: Make this agrees. I agree. I don't know. I gonna
Speaker 1: phase you, man, Just now like I agree, Okay, I agree, yeah,
Speaker 1: I just yeah. I think the way the last two
Speaker 1: seasons before this have gone, people lose sight of the
Speaker 1: fact that an NFL season is an up and down
Speaker 1: and always evolving type of deal. You don't. You don't
Speaker 1: usually win. You don't usually lose seven games in a row.
Speaker 1: You also don't usually win eleven games in a row. Right,
Speaker 1: That's an aberration and you should be happy that you
Speaker 1: got to experience that. All right, let's get another question
Speaker 1: for Twitter thoughts on the Cowboys getting Xavier Woods more
Speaker 1: involved in the rotation and possibly replacing Jeff Heath. That
Speaker 1: is a popular topic on social media this week. I
Speaker 1: know you guys probably know I've gotten a lot of
Speaker 1: tweets about it. I assume you guys have too. What
Speaker 1: are your thoughts on that? Well, I mean, Jason Garrett
Speaker 1: even said it Monday, and Dave alluded to it. I
Speaker 1: think yesterday that let's let's see because the question was
Speaker 1: about Xavier Woods, and he said he is playing well.
Speaker 1: He's playing very well. But as a coach, which you
Speaker 1: have to figure out what the young players is, you know,
Speaker 1: you give him a little bit more here and there,
Speaker 1: because does his seventeen eighteen plays are they looking great?
Speaker 1: Keddie handle forty forty five And that's the same thing
Speaker 1: with Heath. I mean, Heath kind of built into that
Speaker 1: and right now the jury is still out that he
Speaker 1: can handle the load as being a starting safety, but
Speaker 1: he's a four. I mean, this is his fifth year,
Speaker 1: and so you kind of think that he can maybe
Speaker 1: figure it out a little bit more than I don't
Speaker 1: think they want to just throw Woods out there and see.
Speaker 1: But let's getting to the point where he's deserved more
Speaker 1: playing time. I don't know if it means as a starter.
Speaker 1: But that's the thing about this isn't quarterback. This isn't
Speaker 1: like you play or you don't. I mean, you can
Speaker 1: get in there and play a little bit more packages,
Speaker 1: and I think that he's deserved more playing time and
Speaker 1: he'll get more, But I don't know if it being
Speaker 1: a starter. I hate to sound like Mickey Spagnola, but
Speaker 1: like I feel very I feel very much like I
Speaker 1: told you so, because all through the summer, I promise
Speaker 1: you this, all through the summer, I said, yeah, like
Speaker 1: they're they're probably gonna play three and four safeties, Like
Speaker 1: Jeff Heath is going to be the guy that gets
Speaker 1: introduced on the screen at the beginning of the game,
Speaker 1: but Xavier Woods is going to be in there in
Speaker 1: certain packages before. And the blue print was there from
Speaker 1: the beginning that they're gonna need all four of these
Speaker 1: guys at some point, and Xavier Woods will be out
Speaker 1: there without Heath from time to time. That's already happened
Speaker 1: a few times last week. Kind of like Alfred Morrison
Speaker 1: Zeke like, it seems like they have a series hidden
Speaker 1: somewhere in there where they put Cavon and Xavier out
Speaker 1: there without buy Ren order Jeff. That happened against the Rams,
Speaker 1: so they're gonna keep cycling them in. But like to
Speaker 1: just think that Jeff Heath is gonna go sit down
Speaker 1: and never play safety and only play special teams. That
Speaker 1: is not going to happen. But Woods and Cavon have
Speaker 1: certainly looked good and they'll get more snaps. I think
Speaker 1: the thing about Xavier that I don't know if the
Speaker 1: Cowboys knew this, and I don't think a lot of
Speaker 1: teams knew this, or he's not gonna last till the
Speaker 1: sixth round. Sixth round. If teams evaluated him as a
Speaker 1: guy that could also go down and cover, cover into
Speaker 1: the slot, he would have been drafted in the second
Speaker 1: or third round. Not a lot of safeties do that,
Speaker 1: oh not at all. If he had that kind of
Speaker 1: skill set any and he does. But if you know
Speaker 1: and that's the problem with sometimes drafting smaller school guys.
Speaker 1: I know Louisiana Tech Xavier Woods would be mad at
Speaker 1: you if you heard you say that. Well, and that's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I mean, they are, they are. But
Speaker 1: what conference is that? Sun Belt Conference, US Conference USA
Speaker 1: same thing. That's not a bad conference, no it's not.
Speaker 1: But but you're just not going up out of that program. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're not going up against what is not the it's
Speaker 1: not the Big ten whatever. That wasn't an Seas power
Speaker 1: I didn't know. I just I was just asking not
Speaker 1: it's not a Power five school. And so sometimes when
Speaker 1: you're playing that position, you're not going to go up
Speaker 1: against uh if he were to play cornerback. We've seen
Speaker 1: this one smaller schools. If you play cornerback and you're
Speaker 1: you're not just gonna go there. You just don't throw
Speaker 1: to that side. You don't have to because he's the
Speaker 1: most elite player on defense. That's why you put those
Speaker 1: kind of guys in the middle of the field at safety,
Speaker 1: even though they've got skills to play corner they can
Speaker 1: play safety because you want your best player all around
Speaker 1: the middle of the field. And I get Pete hunters
Speaker 1: the ample of that. So I think that's probably what
Speaker 1: happened with the Davier Woods and now they're seeing it.
Speaker 1: You know what, He's got pretty good coverage skills as well,
Speaker 1: but the things that you just didn't see a lot
Speaker 1: playing and losing at Tech. I was like, I just
Speaker 1: he's always around the ball. I love that about him, Like,
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not I don't know if he's a
Speaker 1: shut down corner or like the best slot guy on
Speaker 1: the team, but when he's in there and they get
Speaker 1: the ball out, he's there, like he just always finds
Speaker 1: his way around it. He looks like a corner. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's not very tall and he's not very big either.
Speaker 1: He's got he's got a body for a corner butt
Speaker 1: he's got he's got that awareness and like you said,
Speaker 1: being around the ball, that's what had instincts. Yep. And
Speaker 1: that's the thing I want to see that turn into
Speaker 1: some plays, like some big plays, some turnovers. That's what
Speaker 1: they're not getting enough of right now in the secondary.
Speaker 1: As as I can make some of those kind of
Speaker 1: big plays, I'm hopeful he came on and we will
Speaker 1: see from him this week. Though Heath's the one guy
Speaker 1: that can pick off Aaron Rodgers. Yeah, I mean it's
Speaker 1: what no, if you'd have had two in the playoffs. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Woods came on a slot blitz against the Cardinals that
Speaker 1: if it had been a little bit lower of a throw,
Speaker 1: he might have a touchdown. Yeah, threw it right to him.
Speaker 1: It's pretty athletic play because to be running full speed
Speaker 1: and then jump, that's not a necessarily an easy thing,
Speaker 1: especially when the balls coming at you fast. So it
Speaker 1: was That's a pretty nice play for him. All right,
Speaker 1: appreciate you guys. Join us. We are back tomorrow nine
Speaker 1: thirty am, our normal time. We'll talk about the Packers
Speaker 1: defense versus the Cowboys offense till then for Nick even, Dave,
Speaker 1: Helmt amber Garcia. I'm Derek Eagleton. This has been The
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