Speaker 1: The Gangster Chronicles podcast presents the Foundation. Hosted by James McDonald, Joe,
Speaker 1: Joe Capone, Ray Bezino, and Big Steel. The Foundation explores
Speaker 1: the history of gangsterism in the urban community and this
Speaker 1: impact on music and culture. We also discussed politics and
Speaker 1: society at large. You can Kiss the Foundation every Tuesday
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Speaker 1: show Joe Capon house Load, I'm here, I'm here, and
Speaker 1: Mr Ray Bazino We're ready right and through Chicago, Zino
Speaker 1: chan toos down in Atlanta, y'all in the West. Yeah, man, Hey,
Speaker 1: let me ask you all this fellers. Man, with all
Speaker 1: this stuffing that's going on right now, Man, what's this
Speaker 1: infatire like in Chicago right now? I mean, everybody minds
Speaker 1: is all over the place, and uh, you know, based
Speaker 1: fighting for humanity, man, you know what I'm saying, Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, humanity and equality for the most part. How
Speaker 1: I look at it is, I'm gonna be honest, between
Speaker 1: the looting and the stimulus checks and the unemployment checks,
Speaker 1: niggas is winning right now. Man, Listen, I know, I know,
Speaker 1: and this. You know, I love Obama. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I love Obama. I love how we calm
Speaker 1: combination down, you know. But you know, niggas wasn't eating
Speaker 1: like this, man. And it's crazy because you know, God
Speaker 1: do things for reasons. But I think, man, God has
Speaker 1: shining on street niggas right now for real, honestly, Oh
Speaker 1: for sure, I understand agreed man, like um, like you know,
Speaker 1: like James, you brought you attest to that man because
Speaker 1: you know, James is one of the most few individuals online, man,
Speaker 1: and he's at opportunity simmers way. Man, It's just like
Speaker 1: you're right. I think God he's really shining man on
Speaker 1: the street chances pure heart, He shine on the ros.
Speaker 1: He shined them hard, got good intentions, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, right right, right hey? But is that free money?
Speaker 1: I mean, that's this money. They gotta come back some
Speaker 1: kind of way. They're gonna want that money back, like
Speaker 1: on the rent and all that ship. They want their
Speaker 1: money back. So I mean, it ain't like they're giving
Speaker 1: us nothing, you know what I'm saying. You know, to me,
Speaker 1: they owed us. The only thing about that is, like,
Speaker 1: you know, niggas don't mind grabbing that flipped a couple
Speaker 1: of times before we give it back, you know, because honestly,
Speaker 1: with you know, with with when it comes to black people,
Speaker 1: and especially and especially guys out in the street when
Speaker 1: they when they suck up when they when they sucked
Speaker 1: up black people. Since we the low man on the
Speaker 1: top pole and not the whole economy out how to whack.
Speaker 1: Once they give us money, they know we're gonna put
Speaker 1: it back in the economy regardless. And there's a lot
Speaker 1: of money that's gonna come back into the communy. Makers.
Speaker 1: You got cants out there, man, and say, well, pay
Speaker 1: their bills and whatnot right now while they are unemployed. Man.
Speaker 1: You know the thing else me and Jame has been
Speaker 1: on this ship lately, man, I know one thing that
Speaker 1: we do need to have happened. Man, is we gotta
Speaker 1: shoping knocking each other down? Oh yeah, for sure, that's
Speaker 1: without a doubt, you know, because because all the peace
Speaker 1: suck and all the rallies and stuff is cool. Man,
Speaker 1: we're on the police say, man, but it's like, man,
Speaker 1: you know, homicide that is happening. This is another brother
Speaker 1: doing another brother, you know, right that genocide. Well, you
Speaker 1: gotta look at it the way some of us been taught,
Speaker 1: the way some of us think. Man, we believe that
Speaker 1: this is the right way to do what we're doing.
Speaker 1: You know how myself believed in and that was that
Speaker 1: was what we were supposed to do. That was protecting
Speaker 1: the hood, That was protecting your friends and your family.
Speaker 1: But I think the ship that got away from us,
Speaker 1: you know, with all the bad ships going on, and
Speaker 1: I know that everybody see what the trunk doing. We
Speaker 1: still at each other head. Everybody see what the police
Speaker 1: is doing to us. These cats out of here knocking
Speaker 1: each other down during the during the COVID nineteen. You're
Speaker 1: supposed to be in the house, but they out there
Speaker 1: knocking motherfucker's out. So so we gotta figure out a
Speaker 1: way how to stop that part. Everybody got to see
Speaker 1: what the fund is going on, not just see it,
Speaker 1: but understand what the fund is happening. And if we
Speaker 1: don't do that, I don't care how many times you march,
Speaker 1: I don't care how many times you protest. It ain't
Speaker 1: nothing gonna change. It can't change. Yeah, you know, going
Speaker 1: back to red, you know, like we're notorious from us
Speaker 1: supporting each other like at one time man. You was
Speaker 1: the co owner man of the Bible of Hip Hoo,
Speaker 1: the Source magazine. Yeah, yeah, I know. It's always a
Speaker 1: mind from a further way you have because almost in
Speaker 1: the height on the East Coast and so called the
Speaker 1: fake East Coast West Coast beef right, you had differro ricords,
Speaker 1: um source awards right. How you know when that came
Speaker 1: about me, did that cause you in friction? You know,
Speaker 1: you know, to be honest with you, I really thought,
Speaker 1: you know, we was in New York and when I've
Speaker 1: seen how many how many guys from l A we
Speaker 1: were there together, I knew something was going down. I
Speaker 1: thinkured it was going down. Um, it was real tense. Uh.
Speaker 1: You know, I think one of the major factors is
Speaker 1: that we had mation of Islam. There is security, and
Speaker 1: you know, I think I think there's a certain amount
Speaker 1: of respect from both sides that was given to the security,
Speaker 1: even if it wasn't crust, say the social wards as
Speaker 1: much as it was knowing that the nation of Islam
Speaker 1: with it, and just the fact of how they hand
Speaker 1: through theirselves, you know, as security. You know, I mean
Speaker 1: it's black men, you know, uh, watching off black men,
Speaker 1: and I think that made a difference, but with within
Speaker 1: saying that when She'll got up there and said what
Speaker 1: he said about you know puff, I figured, I said, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's going down. If it wasn't for Snoop to go
Speaker 1: up there and said when he said to kind of
Speaker 1: diffuse the situation, it might have went back. You know,
Speaker 1: we just we just thank god it didn't get out
Speaker 1: of control, because it really could have. Um. You know,
Speaker 1: back then, though it was, it seemed like it seemed
Speaker 1: like that you still had a certain amount of leadership,
Speaker 1: You still had a certain amount of like young niggas
Speaker 1: that would look up to O Jez and listen to
Speaker 1: their direction. I think right now that's almost gone, like,
Speaker 1: you know, almost wiped out. You know, I think this
Speaker 1: this generation, I think they just really you know, I
Speaker 1: think they respect o Gee from the sense of okay,
Speaker 1: they didn't extreme as far as listening and as bar
Speaker 1: is taking direction, know what cheems you kind of agree
Speaker 1: with what he said, Oh yeah, for sure. The show.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, the youngsters up today have no
Speaker 1: clue what the fund is really going on, fathers, what
Speaker 1: they're doing I mean, and I mean gangbanging, uh following
Speaker 1: another homie and all of that other ship. They have
Speaker 1: lost track and they don't understand. Nobody's there to guide
Speaker 1: these little cats, to tell these cats how to get
Speaker 1: down the wedding should get down, or whatever the case
Speaker 1: might be. So yeah, yeah, I agree with that, told
Speaker 1: you and but you gotta find a way to get
Speaker 1: it back. You gotta find a way to get guys
Speaker 1: back in the picture where these little cats can't understand.
Speaker 1: You know, man, my cause was lost. You know, gang
Speaker 1: banging and knocking each other down. You know it's not
Speaker 1: worth it. So you gotta get them. You gotta get
Speaker 1: him on that track. You gotta find some kind of
Speaker 1: way to reach out to these little youngsters because they
Speaker 1: don't give a funk today. We don't care. That's real.
Speaker 1: Show you and your here man like a respect men
Speaker 1: for the O G S Man from the young kiss
Speaker 1: in your neighborhood. Yeah, that's all over there, that's everywhere,
Speaker 1: you know, because a lot of them, you know, they
Speaker 1: started they started ones under the an any influence. So
Speaker 1: if you're under any influence, they're definitely not going show
Speaker 1: no respect there. But if you're on top of your
Speaker 1: a game, you know, and you're letting them know, hey, man,
Speaker 1: come do what I'm doing or over here, then you
Speaker 1: will get more You'll get more receptives from them, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Yeah, man, yeah, you know going
Speaker 1: back many know it's at that time because you always
Speaker 1: kept the real neutral. Did you get me badmash from
Speaker 1: them cats from the East Coast men? When you had
Speaker 1: the different come on there? You know, when when a
Speaker 1: lot of like especially with the source, you know, it
Speaker 1: was like that really was you know, it was before
Speaker 1: the internet, so really a lot of you know, if
Speaker 1: if it wasn't for the Source, I don't think East
Speaker 1: Coast would know too much about West Coast anyways, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Unless you was going out there
Speaker 1: for whatever type of reason, you know, you really didn't
Speaker 1: if you wasn't listening to that music, you really didn't
Speaker 1: understand that, you know. And I remember, so you know,
Speaker 1: the magazine was responsible for definitely bring a lot of
Speaker 1: the artists from the West Coast in the picture, which
Speaker 1: really was the street representatives. Hip hop made us from
Speaker 1: different parts of the country because when you look at it,
Speaker 1: we all the same thing. The differences you know, of course,
Speaker 1: our slang, the differences um um, you know, as far
Speaker 1: as the way our environment is how our blocks are
Speaker 1: because that plays a big part of when you have beef.
Speaker 1: So my thing is, like, you know, if you didn't
Speaker 1: know about the West Coast, you did pick the magazine
Speaker 1: up and it kind of gave you a little bit
Speaker 1: of it. When you started watching the Sauce Awards, it
Speaker 1: started giving you more of it. Expecting the source to
Speaker 1: be neutral even though it was based out of New York,
Speaker 1: you know, the West Coast was getting. I mean, come on,
Speaker 1: Drey Snoop, it was getting. There was a time where
Speaker 1: it was major in the West Coast. So that's where
Speaker 1: hip hop was it since hip hop was the culture,
Speaker 1: that's where the culture was. So I mean things happen
Speaker 1: for reasons. When you got death Row and bad Boy
Speaker 1: going at each other like that, that was a moment
Speaker 1: in time where it was inevitable because again both coats
Speaker 1: really didn't know about each other. So now you got
Speaker 1: niggas from each coast, powerful they got money. Niggas is
Speaker 1: deep right there. That was a crazy time though, man,
Speaker 1: same was you out there want to do these You
Speaker 1: were in New York with them when they did No no, no,
Speaker 1: I didn't not I didn't do that, But I mean
Speaker 1: it was crazy because you know, it introduced the neighborhood
Speaker 1: to the music world, and now the hood is out there,
Speaker 1: and now the hood is looking, you know, people looking
Speaker 1: at our neighborhood like, wow, they got money. And you know,
Speaker 1: that took a lot of cats from the neighborhood to
Speaker 1: New York, to to North Carolina. So now people were
Speaker 1: saying what type of niggas California was on the west
Speaker 1: what the West coast was. So it was crazy because
Speaker 1: you know, you have Puffy them coming to Compton and
Speaker 1: you had niggas getting in their cars because they knew
Speaker 1: what street they was on just to get a glimpse,
Speaker 1: and and was on some bs because Buffy was hanging
Speaker 1: with the different with the other side. So it brung
Speaker 1: a lot of animalsity, it brung a lot of It
Speaker 1: brung a lot of bullshit to to to both sides,
Speaker 1: to both sides. I'm quite sure it affected everybody you
Speaker 1: know that was involved in it. So he right, But
Speaker 1: didn't not good come out of it? Yeah, I'm back.
Speaker 1: I think it dropped them back. It was I'm good man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: James is just reiterated before man. Yeah, yeah, And that's amazing.
Speaker 1: Thing man about this music though, man, and that like
Speaker 1: like you just said, exchange. It took the cats on
Speaker 1: to come to the places like New York, North Carolina
Speaker 1: and all these other places. Now, Ray you really, man,
Speaker 1: I'm messing with you man, because you always been on
Speaker 1: the Chi ship. You know what I mean. That's all
Speaker 1: I know, That's all I know. Yeah, y'all was the first,
Speaker 1: like out of your neighborhood of Boston, y'all had the
Speaker 1: first gangster rep group all money are and so we
Speaker 1: got we got, you know, Easy to Eat. We got
Speaker 1: a meeting with Easy to Eat. This is when he
Speaker 1: was going through the ship with Shell and and and
Speaker 1: the meeting was through uh a, my FIA lawyer, through
Speaker 1: my father. He was a mob lawyer represent the company
Speaker 1: of Italian guys who was representing Easy at Cheery Hello.
Speaker 1: We set a meeting up and then Easy had um.
Speaker 1: He met with a Saucy met with a just Hotel
Speaker 1: and I never and I never and never forget it
Speaker 1: said that his wife was signing boone Dougs and that
Speaker 1: and that he was gonna sign us. And then the
Speaker 1: next week he went and see the side I and
Speaker 1: then then and then two weeks later he passed away. Man,
Speaker 1: we never you know, our Dale never got on it.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's crazy man, because I knew right yeah yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: and the man. But listen, listen, but we'll talk. Okay. See,
Speaker 1: I know Chicago Ben bent down to gang ship from
Speaker 1: day one. Day one. Boston was different. So Boston had
Speaker 1: blocks and everything. But when Colors came out, it showed
Speaker 1: when niggas seen how crips and bloods got down on
Speaker 1: in that movie. That's when everybody started grabbing them, like
Speaker 1: naming their blocks. Now it was and and wailing the
Speaker 1: same type of like um started jacket. So you'd have
Speaker 1: to blew up to Every project had a different New
Speaker 1: York Giants, the Pittsfug Pirates to the Portland Trailblazers. So
Speaker 1: it was after the movie Colors. That movie that's so
Speaker 1: the West Coast had so much it turned it upside
Speaker 1: down everywhere. You know what, I think Colors, So I
Speaker 1: think Colors in the whole country. Man, it had the
Speaker 1: whole country off the hood that ship. Yet But to
Speaker 1: me it was but I'm I'm I'm from here, and
Speaker 1: I didn't see that. I didn't see that Colors. I mean,
Speaker 1: it was just so watered down. Um uh, straight out
Speaker 1: of comfort and so watered down boys and the louis
Speaker 1: so watered down that I mean, I don't know. I
Speaker 1: guess they wasn't like they didn't really show or depict
Speaker 1: what real gang banging was about. And you know, for
Speaker 1: people not to know that might be some wild ship
Speaker 1: to them, but I didn't. I didn't. I didn't get
Speaker 1: that effect. To man, none of the those movies Mann.
Speaker 1: We tell you something. When that She came out, niggas
Speaker 1: want that l A. The l A influence from the
Speaker 1: gang banging was so hard that that was like the
Speaker 1: first movie that showed that before you know who hip
Speaker 1: hop movies were like from New York breaking wild style
Speaker 1: and ship. But when Colors came out, it was the
Speaker 1: first element of banging. And then when niggas was like show, okay,
Speaker 1: this this this gang wearing red, is that gang wearing blue.
Speaker 1: Niggas got choppers out in Boston. Niggas was only really
Speaker 1: fucking with pump shotguns thirty eight twenty two longs. It
Speaker 1: wasn't too many you know, eight ks in Boston back then.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. So, you know, I mean
Speaker 1: l A was reversed rates like when it came to that.
Speaker 1: And see for us, so us you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: The elements are gang banging with Shan through our eyes
Speaker 1: with the Black Stars and the g d's through um
Speaker 1: through um good times. You know what I'm saying. Man,
Speaker 1: So good good times are shown, you know, and any
Speaker 1: green And that was before Colors and all that came out,
Speaker 1: so like so they they gotta understand it. But it
Speaker 1: was more so like remember how they was trying to
Speaker 1: make J J joined the gang they were making Yeah,
Speaker 1: like when mad Dal came through and then before that
Speaker 1: we had we had what wounds cheeks nimp? What was
Speaker 1: the name of that movie? Coolie? Coolie? So Coolie? How
Speaker 1: was yeah? So Coolie? How was the was the birth?
Speaker 1: Was the was the birth of showing gangs in a movie?
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? And the movie ram on
Speaker 1: TV like Coolie Hid and Good Times that was. But
Speaker 1: but Colors put it more in depth strictly on the games,
Speaker 1: see Coolie, I they showed you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Vice lords, you know what I'm saying. So the vice
Speaker 1: lords was introduced and uh what he holler? Folks? Lords?
Speaker 1: You know when they say when they stood up deciphos,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So so you know, so
Speaker 1: it's you know, so it it. But people that was
Speaker 1: still the seventies. You know what I'm saying, That was
Speaker 1: still what the early seventies later like yeah, so, so
Speaker 1: people wasn't even damn they're boring, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So because you gotta think Larry who Larry who had
Speaker 1: been in jaiff? Oh your life now, James you fifty
Speaker 1: four ship who have been in jail y'all. You see
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, right, So you know that, Yeah, so
Speaker 1: him and Jeff Fortingham, we gotta start thinking our gang
Speaker 1: leaders these dudes is damn they're eighty years old, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. You know so so so it's like,
Speaker 1: we don't get upset when nobody is saying like you know, uh,
Speaker 1: the West Coast in Florence gang banging, We don't get upset.
Speaker 1: We just correct them, you know what I'm saying. Because
Speaker 1: of course, for us, we know that it was just
Speaker 1: black panthers for the most part on the West before
Speaker 1: you know, two Key was stealing the g DS and
Speaker 1: the vice lords and the black Peace Stones and the
Speaker 1: Latin Kings will throttle ship. And they was already you know,
Speaker 1: that ship was already going on. But you know a
Speaker 1: person like did you here keeping on hunt it because
Speaker 1: it's daddy from here, you know. So he grew up here,
Speaker 1: back and forth throughout the summers, you know, like James,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, or you're a freeway back
Speaker 1: and forth, you know, saying just say to Houston. So
Speaker 1: y'all could growing up with the family members throughout Texas.
Speaker 1: You know, you were spread. So everybody got the traveling.
Speaker 1: But then what started happening to once the coke, once
Speaker 1: the cocaine he did, that's when a lot of people
Speaker 1: start basically marinating all over the world. You know, they
Speaker 1: started traveling everywhere. And you know, now from that point,
Speaker 1: you know, you just got this hip hop surgeons. So
Speaker 1: the game Banging Gat. Yeah, so the gang the game
Speaker 1: Banging Gat more popularized throughout the drug culture because the
Speaker 1: because the hilball artists wanted to be the dope boys.
Speaker 1: Hey but Joe, Joe, let me make a point. Look
Speaker 1: at this. You know, look, look so so when you
Speaker 1: talk Cooley High, you're right, that show and and and
Speaker 1: Believe me, I knew that. So look at Cooley Hid.
Speaker 1: The soundtrack to that movie was all the Jackson five
Speaker 1: in Bowtown. Them songs wasn't like Colors was all gangster
Speaker 1: ship rapping about killing teeth, Baseline team. It was like
Speaker 1: it was the soundtrack that demonized it more, that made
Speaker 1: it more dangerous and sexy to wear. You know, the
Speaker 1: Chicago gangs from me on outside looking in, it was
Speaker 1: a way of life. So when you looking at Cooey High,
Speaker 1: you showing these kids going to school, playing basketball, but
Speaker 1: Nigga's still can't go in certain places. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying to where is that now? When Colors come out?
Speaker 1: Nigga's the whole movie is about a k. Nigga's up
Speaker 1: the whole movie. You know what I'm saying, Kill kill,
Speaker 1: kill kill. It wasn't going to school, it wasn't seeing
Speaker 1: homeboy living with his mother like it just was really
Speaker 1: just like you said, focusing there strictly on the gangs
Speaker 1: and not person himself. So that's why Chicago probably didn't
Speaker 1: get like the rap that l A got from it,
Speaker 1: because I think hip hop hip hop brought that out
Speaker 1: of l A. Because I'm from Cleveland regionally. I haven't
Speaker 1: come to California to eight seven eighty eight, So I
Speaker 1: remember though around the time the colors here. That's when
Speaker 1: you had cats. Guess when you had blood because I
Speaker 1: know some bloodhoods and King of to Cleveland that was
Speaker 1: in Cleveland dating Cincinnati selling due. So that was my
Speaker 1: first time here about where the blood was or what
Speaker 1: the crypt was. Because it was casting from the west
Speaker 1: coast of the day, they had the best prices and
Speaker 1: they had to say you know what I mean, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what happened. When the gangs came to the drugs
Speaker 1: in the game came to it was hand in hand,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. It was hand in hand.
Speaker 1: It was like, Okay, you walked in the drugs, you're
Speaker 1: gonna be a part of the game too, you see
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. See, that's how I caught on. You're right,
Speaker 1: ray Jo Joker. What happens changed a lot of these
Speaker 1: hoods that's in Kansas City, Kansas City, Massias especially um
Speaker 1: some parts of Columbus, Cincinnati. A lot of them got
Speaker 1: hoods up there. Like you might need to do from
Speaker 1: Cincinnati to tell y'all mover. He never seen who for
Speaker 1: a day in his life. But it was a dude
Speaker 1: that came down. It was mover, bricks and cocaine, and
Speaker 1: that's what he said. He said, man of Mover. So
Speaker 1: y'all moved to night. Well the way it went and
Speaker 1: and you know, I was one of those cats that
Speaker 1: was leaving competent going to Uhura out in Denver, going
Speaker 1: to Las Vegas. Uh you know, Southern Larson doing that
Speaker 1: ship like that. And what happened was was cats that
Speaker 1: that was buying from us. And then you know they
Speaker 1: started to kick it with you. Now they want to
Speaker 1: be like you all your ful comforting, who man, I
Speaker 1: get down and we would just let motherfucker's joined the hood.
Speaker 1: And then they started a game within the gang. Already
Speaker 1: I ain't been to Denver and in thirty years, but
Speaker 1: they still got the hood out there. And that's how
Speaker 1: they do it, you know what I'm saying. Some of
Speaker 1: the cats that was coming from out of town, like
Speaker 1: my little homeboy, hand Dog. Hand Dog is from Chicago.
Speaker 1: He got the two moons on his on his back
Speaker 1: the whole night. But the way that we was getting down,
Speaker 1: he was already with it as a as a youngster
Speaker 1: and he pipped right in, so you know, he understood,
Speaker 1: you know, the transition. So it was pretty much the
Speaker 1: same thing. But to keep it one hundred, hand Dog
Speaker 1: was a little elevated for his age. He was more
Speaker 1: more knowledgeable about what to get down and and that
Speaker 1: ship that he brought into the neighborhood was so different
Speaker 1: because you know the cats, my little brother age was
Speaker 1: hand dog age, and they was like, damn, let's get down,
Speaker 1: is like, and they and they followed it, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. He was with it. So when when
Speaker 1: when two different world's hook up like that, man, it
Speaker 1: just it just changed the whole thing. And a lot
Speaker 1: of guys out there right now the day then started
Speaker 1: families out of town, you know, just from roaring out
Speaker 1: there with with a bird and it never came home,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So it it took in
Speaker 1: the gave from both sides. Now understanding what it's like
Speaker 1: to be in Chicago, I can't say I understand that
Speaker 1: I got family in Chicago. Um, I got family in Houston, Texas.
Speaker 1: Going to Texas and and trip it off, how they
Speaker 1: game bang? To me, Texas is like three days behind
Speaker 1: on on every motherfucking thing you do and how you
Speaker 1: get down out there. I really didn't understand they they movement,
Speaker 1: and there was more on the pussy tip for me
Speaker 1: be because when bitches here you can California, they want
Speaker 1: to try to California, Nigga. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: and it's it's it's exactly how you're saying it, but
Speaker 1: it brings more to it. Colors. Colors didn't show me,
Speaker 1: and that's because I'm from here, right and I know
Speaker 1: what it was like. But Colors didn't show me that
Speaker 1: this is some real gang banging ship. This is to me,
Speaker 1: it's water down. It was watered down, and but being
Speaker 1: from somewhere else, it just shows you, damn that's how
Speaker 1: they get down out there. Like niggas out here they
Speaker 1: can say all them niggas is wheenies. Them niggas is
Speaker 1: wheny in Texas, man, it's killers everywhere. It's it's cats
Speaker 1: out there. That's that's more about it than than we are,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So let's just say we
Speaker 1: took death Row and I was going to New York
Speaker 1: with shil and eight and it was so different to
Speaker 1: me because I'm trying to identified cats through color. I
Speaker 1: didn't see no red and blue bandannas, I didn't see
Speaker 1: something like that. They was on some totally different ship,
Speaker 1: So I couldn't identify that ship and and I just
Speaker 1: didn't know who the funk with, So I just kept
Speaker 1: one hunted and stayed to myself. So if if I
Speaker 1: had kept going to New York, I probably would have
Speaker 1: been working with him and then understanding that we don't
Speaker 1: understand each other's culture, so automatically we're gonna clash. I
Speaker 1: don't know you, so I gotta come ready already. I
Speaker 1: gotta be prepared for certain things. If you're not, you're
Speaker 1: not coming home. You know what I'm saying. You're getting
Speaker 1: involved like this little young cat. You know, you bring
Speaker 1: people into your world. And and listen, people got a
Speaker 1: different agenda around this motherfucker. These young cats got a
Speaker 1: different agenda. These young cats is thinking about nothing but self.
Speaker 1: It's totally different how it was in the mad seventies
Speaker 1: early eighties. It's totally different. Being a gang member is
Speaker 1: being all about self. Now it's all about who got
Speaker 1: the money, how we gonna make the money, and how
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get the money out of you. Supposed to
Speaker 1: being on the same grind. It ain't like that no
Speaker 1: more should I'm asking y'all, how do we get it?
Speaker 1: How you get back at least some of that, at
Speaker 1: least some of that, some of the respect, because you
Speaker 1: ain't got no loyalty, You ain't got no respect. You know,
Speaker 1: you don't have nothing on the streets. And that's a
Speaker 1: that's a bad uh formula right there. You don't you
Speaker 1: don't have nothing. So who do you treat? We know
Speaker 1: how we get jealousy and envy. That's part of the
Speaker 1: seven Deadly sins, you know what I'm saying. So it's
Speaker 1: like the person with the bank the person with the
Speaker 1: bank roll basically determines the atmosphere or what's going on
Speaker 1: in the neighborhood. But if it's a guy that's in
Speaker 1: the neighborhood and he getting the bank roll from doing
Speaker 1: credit card scams, then you know, the the guy that
Speaker 1: was a robber, he's not gonna respect that dude. But
Speaker 1: the dude that's staying fresh and got the cars and
Speaker 1: the jury and he doing credit card scams, he gonna
Speaker 1: be more looked at from the neighborhood because he got
Speaker 1: the money. He got everything that the robber don't have.
Speaker 1: So it's like once wants the credit card guy come up,
Speaker 1: once the scammer. I just say so, once the scammer
Speaker 1: come to the neighborhood with with with open arms and
Speaker 1: thinking he got open arms. But in reality, the robbers,
Speaker 1: all the jack boys is sitting back laying on him.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. All the jackboys is waiting
Speaker 1: to rob the scammel, you know what I'm saying, and
Speaker 1: they start alien nating him. So you know, for the
Speaker 1: most part, it's kind of like it's a gift and
Speaker 1: the courage. Bro, it's kind of hard, you know, like
Speaker 1: for us, um, so you know, so so you know,
Speaker 1: so the transitioning was different, like you say, for most James,
Speaker 1: like uh l a were hit um when they started
Speaker 1: coming towards me. Like for us, the g d S
Speaker 1: was in thirty five states, that's documented, right and um,
Speaker 1: you know far as the case was going, we had
Speaker 1: thirty five states, so uh and in high power. You know,
Speaker 1: we had guys, but they took us from a street
Speaker 1: gang to an organized crime so they automatically threw us
Speaker 1: in the same boat is the Italian mafia. So that's
Speaker 1: what changed everything for us in the Gate and we
Speaker 1: basically envy the um the wild wild west of the
Speaker 1: We can do whatever whenever that l A had, you
Speaker 1: see what I'm saying, because we all organized, but everybody
Speaker 1: in l A and you know my Peru might didn't
Speaker 1: get along with with the Swans. You see what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: stuff like that and that and that didn't happen. That
Speaker 1: couldn't happen for us. So it's like when t Rogers
Speaker 1: was sent out there to bring the Black Peace Stones.
Speaker 1: You see, he went straight got in the jungles and
Speaker 1: had so anybody from the Shy when we came out there,
Speaker 1: they linked up with t Rogers in the jungle and
Speaker 1: they still felt as if they was on You see
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, um and for the and you know,
Speaker 1: so for the and and other than that. You know,
Speaker 1: if Big Youth, some of his cousins and them from
Speaker 1: the hundreds or the suburbs came out there, they're being
Speaker 1: the sixties, you see what I'm saying. And far As
Speaker 1: Compton like with me, I'm being Compton, but I'd be
Speaker 1: on the south side. You know, even the speed it
Speaker 1: up to date, I was on the block when Um,
Speaker 1: when Serena and Venus and their sister got killed, I
Speaker 1: was standing out there, you know what I'm saying. Her
Speaker 1: boyfriend hit the block. We thought it was a drive
Speaker 1: back going on. So the the the shots went to
Speaker 1: the costs, so it was it was an accident, you
Speaker 1: see what I'm saying. So it was like, um, you know,
Speaker 1: so I always had you know, been in and you
Speaker 1: know throughout Inglewoods, South cent You, Compton, Um, you know,
Speaker 1: l A in general throughout my whole life. So for me,
Speaker 1: like I gotta tell a person, I'm born in Chicago,
Speaker 1: but I'm raised in New York, l A and Miami,
Speaker 1: So I grew up in all the major cities, you
Speaker 1: see what I'm saying, and then throughout like you say,
Speaker 1: once the drugs got introduced to us in the early eighties,
Speaker 1: that put us on the road. So yeah, we're gonna
Speaker 1: end up in Cleveland, throughout Ohio, in Boston because like
Speaker 1: Venzino can tell you, majority of Boston they direct descendants,
Speaker 1: was coming from Detroit, you see what I'm saying. So
Speaker 1: it's it's like, so you got so you got the
Speaker 1: same influence from Midwest cities all over the world too.
Speaker 1: You see what I'm saying. Just like even right now today,
Speaker 1: majority of all our rappers that made it, they live
Speaker 1: in l A. You know what I'm saying. Everybody, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, they live in l A. So
Speaker 1: it's it's so so it's always still been that same way,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So, and like you said,
Speaker 1: that's how we're gonna have family. We're gonna be related.
Speaker 1: And that's what family unions was for. Even though some
Speaker 1: people don't have them as much, they don't have family
Speaker 1: reunions as much, but that's what that was the point
Speaker 1: and purpose of it. Because James just say, like if
Speaker 1: mama had five six kids, each one of y'all got
Speaker 1: five six kids, and that just keep trickling, trickling trickling,
Speaker 1: you know. And for a lot of us, our grandparents,
Speaker 1: like my grandmama, gut seventeen brothers and sisters. I don't
Speaker 1: know all them people, man all for oh, for y'all. All,
Speaker 1: For y'all, all three of y'all can be blood related
Speaker 1: to me right now. And the only way I'm gonna
Speaker 1: know is constantly staying in touch with y'all. You see
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I think it's my thing is But Joe,
Speaker 1: you said it look like you said, there ain't no
Speaker 1: more family reunions when you look at each of our generations,
Speaker 1: you know, me and James fifty four, I'll be fifty
Speaker 1: five in July. When I grew up, regardless of how
Speaker 1: how chaos it was, you still fell loved in the family.
Speaker 1: You still felt family structure, You still kept in touch
Speaker 1: with odd talkers. They were there as time went by
Speaker 1: the good thing about living and being fifty five right
Speaker 1: now is because you can actually look at the seventies, eighties,
Speaker 1: nineties and two thousand's and really see the difference of
Speaker 1: of ship and and and You're right, there ain't no
Speaker 1: more family reunions. Actually, the the the whole families have
Speaker 1: been fucking broke up and fucked up to where it's
Speaker 1: like ship ship my nigga, Joe shin me and you
Speaker 1: closer than and then and then the ship seven my family.
Speaker 1: It's you know, you know, you know, you know, and
Speaker 1: that's and and that's sad, but that's the reality of it,
Speaker 1: you know, like you know, these crackers don't broke down
Speaker 1: the structure of us and and and I know we
Speaker 1: can't keep blaming them, you know, but we have to
Speaker 1: know that that's that's where it came from, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. But it's working. And part of this,
Speaker 1: like you know, they've given women everything to emasculate us
Speaker 1: and and and you know, like they're gonna give them section,
Speaker 1: they they're gonna give them child support, they're gonna give
Speaker 1: them everything to basically funk us up, you know, because
Speaker 1: the whole thing is to funk up the street. Nigga,
Speaker 1: we're like the species better know that after us, it's
Speaker 1: it's gonna be fucked up out here, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. There's just no ways around it. And that's
Speaker 1: why I don't think it's far gone. But I don't
Speaker 1: know we we might be a little bit far gone
Speaker 1: to turn it around, because I just don't see the
Speaker 1: younger generation and the older generation connected or to sit
Speaker 1: in a room long enough to agree that we're better unified.
Speaker 1: Meaning you know, you gotta respect these young niggas because
Speaker 1: they're ours. They have came from us, and and whatever's
Speaker 1: trending now with all the social media and computer ship,
Speaker 1: they're a part of that. They're the champions of that.
Speaker 1: But we come from the motherfucking mud where it all started,
Speaker 1: where it all ends, in everything that they will go through.
Speaker 1: If they go through it, we will already know what
Speaker 1: it's gonna take. If they could just understand that alone,
Speaker 1: we would have a chance. But when you look at time,
Speaker 1: you don't see no leadership. Look at how our shopt
Speaker 1: was man. The minister is my god, I love Mr Faraka,
Speaker 1: but even the minister is. You don't hear the minister
Speaker 1: as much. So it's like it's like, where is the
Speaker 1: leadership coming from? Where is the word coming from? So
Speaker 1: that these sort of it will click in these nigga's heads,
Speaker 1: because if it don't click in their heads, to the
Speaker 1: generation snap to them, which is called generation OUTA. What
Speaker 1: I said, we we we've totally lost it because you know,
Speaker 1: I got kids and I got twenty you know, I
Speaker 1: got a twenty two year old daughters I gotta I
Speaker 1: got a seventy year selling I got three babies mothers,
Speaker 1: and you know I don't I didn't live with my kids.
Speaker 1: Of course I provided form. Of course I flew them
Speaker 1: to me. But it's different from having your kids growing
Speaker 1: up in the household with you. And this is how
Speaker 1: we all raised our kids, and that's and that's dysfunctional
Speaker 1: within itself. But we do the best we can. The
Speaker 1: problem is, you know, as being the street nigga, we
Speaker 1: either we the weither. We the scum of the earth
Speaker 1: that these motherfucker's want to get rid of. And we're
Speaker 1: the real kings. We're the real ones out there that
Speaker 1: then did all this ship. You know what I'm saying
Speaker 1: that way, and and niggas and starves and struggling and
Speaker 1: motherfucker's don't give a fun You you got a lot
Speaker 1: of brothers that came from the mud and and that's successful.
Speaker 1: Now you what what is gonna take is gonna take
Speaker 1: the older heads to get together. So I don't believe
Speaker 1: the older heads can't sit at the table because the
Speaker 1: more the older you get, the more mature you get.
Speaker 1: I don't think it'll be a problem for the older guys,
Speaker 1: the older black men of our days, of our society,
Speaker 1: to say, come on, man, we need to get together.
Speaker 1: We need to put some ship together and reach these youngsters.
Speaker 1: If that's going from one neighborhood to the next to
Speaker 1: the next. We can't call ourselves kings. We can't call
Speaker 1: ourselves the alpha. If if we ain't giving the fun.
Speaker 1: I truly believe fertons say I'm talking on deaf ears.
Speaker 1: These these dudes ain't listening. I'm not gonna put myself
Speaker 1: out there and these cats ain't getting If they ain't
Speaker 1: getting it, let me focus on mind and what I'm
Speaker 1: doing it and and and all love this get like that.
Speaker 1: So now that we've seen this young brother get, you know,
Speaker 1: die in the streets, now it's time to say, okay,
Speaker 1: we had enough this. Its it's time to change, you know.
Speaker 1: And then and and and you don't have to be
Speaker 1: a rich mothers sucking to get this. You don't have
Speaker 1: to be a mother sucking the suit to get it.
Speaker 1: Having these cats they say they don't understand, but come on, man,
Speaker 1: everybody even came from somewhere, all of us. We don't
Speaker 1: came from somewhere. Now we now we had a different
Speaker 1: peak in our life. Now we gotta figure out how
Speaker 1: to really fucking reach these little cats through through through
Speaker 1: this podcast, ship, through through movies, through shows, through through whatever,
Speaker 1: through the music and and and stop the dumb ship.
Speaker 1: Look at the rappers up today. The rappers up today
Speaker 1: ain't telling me ship, I don't that I don't know already,
Speaker 1: So they gotta get off of that. Everybody gotta be
Speaker 1: against because every rapper is not against it. So it's
Speaker 1: just it's up to us to change some of the
Speaker 1: ship that's going on out there. Man, I really believe that.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Yeah, And like I'm sorry you And like
Speaker 1: we said, with the generations, uh, we kind of banked
Speaker 1: on the Sorority Brothers to lead the youth, you know,
Speaker 1: so it wasn't like we was mixing the streets with
Speaker 1: the with the virgin minds, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: the virgin minds. We looked at the Sorority Brothers to
Speaker 1: cut them up and lead and give them the right
Speaker 1: way while we were stuck with uh, the game banging
Speaker 1: and the drugs that we would suffering from. You know.
Speaker 1: It kind of we kind of thought and then like
Speaker 1: you say, church and religious groups, we thought that could
Speaker 1: saved us to the younger generation. But like you say,
Speaker 1: every generation it's a it's a lost trade. Every generation
Speaker 1: it becomes a lost tray. So it's like for us,
Speaker 1: all our kids is in the loop. They're in a
Speaker 1: loop of something. You know, Hopefully we can out of mine.
Speaker 1: Out of my nine I was able to give one
Speaker 1: college graduate so far, you know. So I'm happy. I'm
Speaker 1: packing myself on the back, I'm running, jumping, doing flips,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, because I'm the same kid,
Speaker 1: you know, because I'm the same kid that was told
Speaker 1: it wasn't gonna make it to see eleven years old.
Speaker 1: So I carried a chip on my shoulder all the
Speaker 1: way up until today because I proved everybody wrong, you know,
Speaker 1: So it made me feel I made it past eleven
Speaker 1: years old. I was gifted from that point. That's how
Speaker 1: I looked at it. And then when I hit twenty
Speaker 1: one years old. You know, once I hit twenty one
Speaker 1: years old, I really felt like I had to rabbit
Speaker 1: foot in my pocket. You know what I'm saying, living
Speaker 1: the life that we was living. You know, because they
Speaker 1: we come out the wound with the X on our back,
Speaker 1: and we was all taught that you come out the
Speaker 1: wound with an X on your back when you got
Speaker 1: our skin, skin complexion. So like you say, the minister
Speaker 1: them knocking at ninety years old, that that man almost
Speaker 1: a decade. You know what I'm saying, He almost a century,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So it's like just like
Speaker 1: when Obama got out of office, I would have felt
Speaker 1: like it should have been a thousand more brothers or
Speaker 1: sisters that could have been candidates, you see what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: And to come to find out it was none. We
Speaker 1: had the one doctor. We had the one doctor. Dude,
Speaker 1: he didn't you know whatever with that. He dropped out
Speaker 1: in the first week or so. Um, and that was it.
Speaker 1: Like it's it's like it was like long as they
Speaker 1: gave us that one melonated brother number forty four, so
Speaker 1: out of or so out of forty three presidents, we
Speaker 1: it was it was forty three to one. So it's
Speaker 1: like a race. It's like a horse race or something
Speaker 1: dog race, forty three to one the odds. So now
Speaker 1: says then we couldn't even carry that for for ten
Speaker 1: years or twenty years or thirty years to have some
Speaker 1: melanete people in office is in the presidential office. So
Speaker 1: it's it's back to the same tricks again. Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: Well what I think, Man, it's like, um, with the
Speaker 1: young everything nick y'all did everything that we did back
Speaker 1: in our back in our day's sexy to them, but
Speaker 1: they don't put through. They don't want to put the
Speaker 1: other part. Days want the one element and to see
Speaker 1: that's how you get a kid like right, everything about
Speaker 1: the game banging thing was sexy to him, and then
Speaker 1: he found out that it was real. He found out
Speaker 1: it was real. You saw what happened, You saw the
Speaker 1: aftermath for that, and see for the thing. It was
Speaker 1: fa in our generation, in our day, I wouldn't never
Speaker 1: no game banging nothing. But in our day you didn't
Speaker 1: condone no form of cooperation. M you don't. So now
Speaker 1: you've got people embracing this dude, and that makes it harder.
Speaker 1: That almost makes us like we're crazy, exactly like we're
Speaker 1: crazy embracing what dude Takassi? Right nine just that six
Speaker 1: nine boy, Well you know what I listened. I look
Speaker 1: with a video of this young dude and and and
Speaker 1: this is this is my whole thing. You know, this
Speaker 1: little cat he really think he was trying to He
Speaker 1: really think he's proving the point. His point is that,
Speaker 1: uh mc mills, he funk with this Floyd, this this
Speaker 1: CEO chick that funk with jay Z. And and because
Speaker 1: what she did, mc mills gotta be guilty of it too, snoop.
Speaker 1: And and I tell everybody, you gotta pay attention, see
Speaker 1: you having these niggers used six too loosely and they
Speaker 1: don't even know what Then they're talking about Snoop smoke
Speaker 1: on something he shouldn't have staid, true enough, even if
Speaker 1: he said it, however he setting. But us being black,
Speaker 1: we take the word of the police before we take
Speaker 1: the word of of of our own people. So they
Speaker 1: got this paper saying Snoop said should killed Tupac number one.
Speaker 1: Should didn't get arrested for it. Even if Snoop being
Speaker 1: with this shill didn't get arrested. Snooping never went on
Speaker 1: on motherfucking chair and sat down and said that's him.
Speaker 1: Where Snoop you can't call him, you can't call him
Speaker 1: a motherfucking right. It's totally different, little boy. You said
Speaker 1: here and you pointed out guys that got a hunting
Speaker 1: in seven years maybe altogether, and and it's totally different.
Speaker 1: But people biting into this little dude ship as if
Speaker 1: he ain't did nothing wrong, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: And he get any I mean, and people take this
Speaker 1: bullshit because two of them guys got life, got lights,
Speaker 1: knows you, But that shows you how fun this connected.
Speaker 1: We are with this social media thing and this new generation,
Speaker 1: meaning this new generation really feels like it ain't shipped
Speaker 1: to snitch. And you know, I mean I had to
Speaker 1: learn that from my father when I was about eleven
Speaker 1: years old, and that ship was just the regular thing
Speaker 1: to me, Like it wasn't even a major thing to
Speaker 1: be like, Oh I don't funk with snitches. That just
Speaker 1: was a regular thing, like like and like eating, taking
Speaker 1: a ship whatever, that's just you don't funk with him. Nigga,
Speaker 1: niggah in a whole bunch of other ship. This nigga
Speaker 1: is changing. This nigga right here is changing the whole
Speaker 1: He's changing the whole dynamic because this this new generation
Speaker 1: that we're talking about, and this Internet is so strong
Speaker 1: that he could control the narrative that they could put
Speaker 1: a lot of money into him and these blogs and
Speaker 1: these streams to push the narrative and see this new
Speaker 1: generation they wasn't raised in these streets, so they don't
Speaker 1: know any about no code or nothing so automatic, and
Speaker 1: they in their minds, he's a fucking hero because he
Speaker 1: got a gang of money. He's not in jail, and
Speaker 1: and they're actually turning the tides of that how I
Speaker 1: grew up like I would never snitch or I wouldn't
Speaker 1: funk with no snitch. Tough this generation being like, you
Speaker 1: know what if it's it was the same my ass.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna snitch and it's all right. That's what's going on.
Speaker 1: As long as you got money is good. Uh, people
Speaker 1: gonna follow me because I got money. I mean that
Speaker 1: don't make it right. I mean as at some point
Speaker 1: everybody that listened to the dude, You got people like ay,
Speaker 1: come fucking with him. You got people like what's your name?
Speaker 1: What's the chick name that he knew with? Yeah, NICKI mnah,
Speaker 1: she got issues in her home motherfucking family with her brothers.
Speaker 1: Show you're pretty much if you can, if you convict
Speaker 1: uh Mick Mills, you can. You gotta convict uh nick
Speaker 1: nas because your family aunts were sucked up ship. But
Speaker 1: that ain't that ain't point. My My point is, at
Speaker 1: what point do you stop this cat from getting out
Speaker 1: there like that? And and and you got major names
Speaker 1: like A count them fucking with him. That that means
Speaker 1: you're supporting me. That means you're supporting his movement, you're
Speaker 1: supporting the bs that this little cat is putting out there.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, is he gonna be able
Speaker 1: to come to the to the bt wards and and
Speaker 1: everybody stand up and give him a standing over, and
Speaker 1: all these cats sit out, didn't shake his hand, like,
Speaker 1: what's up, my nigga, you're good. I don't see it.
Speaker 1: I don't see it. And something sunked up. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: he gotta just see what we're doing to each other. Man.
Speaker 1: He the prime example with throwing rocks and hat your hand.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, That's how I look. But
Speaker 1: you would understand he got some powerful people behind them too.
Speaker 1: You understand I'm saying he got some you know, he
Speaker 1: got some folks working with him. And again they're going
Speaker 1: hard on the computers. It's just about keeping it's about once.
Speaker 1: It's like again the new generation and a lot of
Speaker 1: our generation is on our phones and and and all
Speaker 1: these computers. If you control the narrative on that, then
Speaker 1: you control the perception. And at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: that him and he got a lot of people behind
Speaker 1: him and a lot of money going hard with this
Speaker 1: social media campaign to get this message across. And I
Speaker 1: hate to say, these women Nikki has almost a hundred
Speaker 1: million fallers on on on Instagram, So automatically, do you
Speaker 1: understand like a hundred million motherfucker's we're talking about? You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So if you get of that saying,
Speaker 1: you know what, he's all right, that's twenty million people
Speaker 1: like the numbers of mind boggling, and we just all
Speaker 1: we gotta we we always gotta remember that. And you know,
Speaker 1: ship we could talk to me blew on our face
Speaker 1: about how wrong it is, but it's still doesn't like
Speaker 1: all we could do, like you said, it's do our
Speaker 1: podcast to bring the real niggas because it's a bunch
Speaker 1: left and there's a bunch of real chicks left who
Speaker 1: agree with us. Once we can mobilize them in one space,
Speaker 1: then maybe something can happen from that. Because I see
Speaker 1: that there's a lot of different podcasts, a lot of
Speaker 1: different they really haven't done that yet. There's a demographic
Speaker 1: of people who think just like us, because there's a
Speaker 1: demographic of forty to fifty old people who don't grew
Speaker 1: up in the mud, who's out here, who's not jail,
Speaker 1: who's still out here, who grew up like that, So
Speaker 1: they haven't been mobilized. You just it's how you talking
Speaker 1: to him and not talking at them. And I think
Speaker 1: we can reach out to a whole bunch of them,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And and like me, I'm
Speaker 1: not I don't talk and I'm not using no big
Speaker 1: gass words. I'm talking straight from the streets. So you
Speaker 1: so you can't understand me having these cats use these
Speaker 1: big words. These youngests don't under standing that ship. What
Speaker 1: the fun they're talking about? We gotta give it to
Speaker 1: them just how we live it. And and and that's
Speaker 1: where I'm coming from. So we have to, uh, we
Speaker 1: really have to get on point man. And and I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna say whatever I can do, I'm gonna do
Speaker 1: it at at at one hunting. So there it is there.
Speaker 1: I mean, we just got to get better at where
Speaker 1: we at and and and getting these people to understand man,
Speaker 1: happy to shoot you see just because you're on TV
Speaker 1: or whatever, don't make you no different move you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. That's why I'm watched half that ship.
Speaker 1: I'm seeing them when you're going back to loving here
Speaker 1: about man should fun loving? That's it for me. I've
Speaker 1: been on that's about Yeah, I've been down with that ship. Man,
Speaker 1: it ain't the same no more. I mean it's free money.
Speaker 1: I mean no, you're not in your hand your hand
Speaker 1: with one. It was good, it was good, you know,
Speaker 1: a couple of seasons. But you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: pretty much like after that, it just wasn't you know. No,
Speaker 1: I really didn't cast for it. I was just giving
Speaker 1: Stevie a ride to the set and ended up on it.
Speaker 1: And like you said, the check started getting good, but
Speaker 1: then I started seeing, like you know, like the whole
Speaker 1: reality TV concept is, you know, you and chicks fighting
Speaker 1: and going at each other. So you know, I figured
Speaker 1: like it just wasn't going in the right direction. And
Speaker 1: rarely I think since since I left, and it ain't
Speaker 1: just because of me. I just think that, you know,
Speaker 1: I just brought that real nigger element to that ship,
Speaker 1: and you know what I'm saying, And I think the
Speaker 1: people that I think the storylines that they try to
Speaker 1: do now with two fours, they're not believable for sure, man.
Speaker 1: And there's the whole thing, man, the things I didn't
Speaker 1: like about it, because we were talking to one of
Speaker 1: the brothers from from there was on level hire Miami
Speaker 1: what's the cash name Bristol, I think I need to
Speaker 1: talk about. Yeah, we were talking to Bristol, and that's
Speaker 1: what he was saying. You know, he was just like
Speaker 1: man me and James was telling him to day to
Speaker 1: make our people who like climbs sometimes to the way
Speaker 1: they ended ship and the way the conversation man crazy.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. They that's them dictating the narrative.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. They want to dictate. They
Speaker 1: feel like the clickbait. You know, it gets more views
Speaker 1: for the fighting. You know, America was built on violence.
Speaker 1: So anything that got something to do with the fighting,
Speaker 1: disrespectful cursing, it always get the most clicks and views.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. When you go to when
Speaker 1: you go to positive route, like right now, you see
Speaker 1: you see Gucci Man just dis Atlantic Records. He did
Speaker 1: Gucci the clothing line, Um Sidegon this, you know, Atlantic Records,
Speaker 1: Loupe Fiasco, Alley Boy, Walker, Flocker, So all of them
Speaker 1: is going in on these major labels. It's about time,
Speaker 1: you know, it writes basically seeing that it's a plantation,
Speaker 1: you know, just the same way, the same way with
Speaker 1: these uh these NFL and basketball teams. Michael Jordan shouldn't
Speaker 1: have never had an issue with getting ownership of a team, man.
Speaker 1: You know, but they keep they feet on, they keep
Speaker 1: our feet, they feed on our neck. So right now
Speaker 1: we really have to smash doing these protest times for
Speaker 1: for equality around here, Like we can't. We can't let
Speaker 1: up on them right now. No, no, we gotta. We
Speaker 1: gotta definitely, man keep our next. So we got to.
Speaker 1: We got to. And that's why these conversations, man, it's
Speaker 1: so important, man, Like they're really important. And that's like
Speaker 1: James knows, you know, Joe, Joe and I know Ray No,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, because it's like this, if
Speaker 1: you don't know your past, how the funk you don't
Speaker 1: know where you're here? Man, Listen, listen like to me,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like really, you know, I'm
Speaker 1: just the nigga from the hood, just like y'all. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. They went through the same ship
Speaker 1: and and and with me. It's just you know, Source Magazine.
Speaker 1: I didn't know I was gonna meet Dave Maids the
Speaker 1: reality TV. I didn't know, uh that I'd be driving
Speaker 1: Stevie the sett and I'd be like, man, this should
Speaker 1: be planned. I'm just the hustling niggers. So I see
Speaker 1: an opportunity and I go for it. But I've never
Speaker 1: compromised who I was. You know what I'm saying, get
Speaker 1: all this ship because you know, a lot of that ship,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. You know, you you know
Speaker 1: it's rammed by people that have no interest in our
Speaker 1: culture and then our best interests, you know that. And
Speaker 1: that goes the same thing for the music industry. You know.
Speaker 1: But but since the beginning of time, we have to
Speaker 1: take that just to get a check, you know, we
Speaker 1: have to take that. Damn. We know, this motherfucker ain't ship.
Speaker 1: He's a piece of ship, and he's and and ultimately
Speaker 1: I'm really getting fun. But you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So that's been there from day one, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, you know, and I mean honestly, like the
Speaker 1: change now. You know, I think the differences You've got
Speaker 1: a lot of white people on the front lines now
Speaker 1: be because of that. That's the difference, and that's what's
Speaker 1: changing a lot of this ship. So yeah, that's that
Speaker 1: generation of that's the mixed breed generation. You know, where
Speaker 1: where every when the UH integration is kicked in. When
Speaker 1: the integration kicked in, you gotta look at it. You like,
Speaker 1: people can't afford to be racist right now. It's a mula.
Speaker 1: It's a mulatto generation. You know what I'm saying. It's
Speaker 1: a whole mulatto generation. You know what I'm saying. So everybody,
Speaker 1: you know, you can't. You can't right now. Mama got
Speaker 1: five kids. One might be bad guy with Puerto Rican descent,
Speaker 1: one might be Caucasian descent, a massagan too, and to
Speaker 1: nominated brother. You see what I'm saying. So it's like,
Speaker 1: it's like what you gonta do. You're gonna say you
Speaker 1: hate your brother or you I can't do that. You
Speaker 1: think about it. I got a brother hand and that
Speaker 1: thing I've loved. Example, he loved me. And if somebody
Speaker 1: called me and nigga in front of him. My partner, hey, hey,
Speaker 1: my partner for for for twenty five years, sou was
Speaker 1: was was It was a white Jewish guy. You know,
Speaker 1: I grew up in Boston where you know, my father
Speaker 1: ran with a bunch of Italians and Irish guys, gangsters
Speaker 1: my field. So you know, on the crime mixed fact
Speaker 1: aspected in the streets, you don't see race because niggas
Speaker 1: is getting money. So but at the same time, busting
Speaker 1: was going on in seventy four and kids were getting
Speaker 1: bussed just two different schools twenty minutes away, and and
Speaker 1: Crackers was rioting, you know what I'm saying, turning, marching
Speaker 1: and all that in Boston. So you know, with me
Speaker 1: when it comes to white folks, you know, I'm on
Speaker 1: both fends. Like I I funk with all people, but
Speaker 1: I don't funk with a racist white folks. And I
Speaker 1: know who a racist white person is. Like That's easy
Speaker 1: for me growing up, Bro, It's easy for me to
Speaker 1: automatically tell if you if you racist, and you don't
Speaker 1: funk with niggas, so automatically I can draw a conclusion
Speaker 1: if I want to funk with you, Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1: And that's what it comes down to, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. Things got a mafia owned boy. He's here
Speaker 1: from Hollywood. Um you ever heard already stayed over before
Speaker 1: her no or sailor to Homie. Okay, I'm gonna do
Speaker 1: on the show before it. And he told me, he said, man,
Speaker 1: you do a lot of business. He told me, he said, man,
Speaker 1: the mom, the Italian mafia hand the fun with black people.
Speaker 1: He told me that his mouth, he said, we had
Speaker 1: to with black people. He said, how the funk you
Speaker 1: think we had? She going on the Harlem and the
Speaker 1: Bronx and all these different places, the same thing in Chicago. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: even though even though that it was for a negative connotation,
Speaker 1: you know about just for money, because just like with
Speaker 1: the Messagans, you know what I'm saying. They know they're
Speaker 1: sending the fatting, all the the coke over here from Colombia,
Speaker 1: you know, so the math, the math, So yeah, they're
Speaker 1: gonna shift everything over here. What they don't care what
Speaker 1: happened because it's like it's not considered like it's hitting
Speaker 1: a people, you know what I'm saying. So I keep
Speaker 1: I keep staying over and over man. When when separatism
Speaker 1: was introduced to humanity, we've been downhill every since. Once
Speaker 1: once we wasn't just not a little that as human,
Speaker 1: like a human society, and they started doing separatism and
Speaker 1: Jim Prow and all that, it's been it's been downhill
Speaker 1: that be since, right man. Salute to all y'all, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, all y'all. The legends all y'all
Speaker 1: real street o chiefs. I got nothing but respect for
Speaker 1: all y'all. So you know what I'm saying, James, I've
Speaker 1: been checking out all your interviews. Man. For for a minute,
Speaker 1: I was going back to back to back. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, So you know what I mean for
Speaker 1: real salute, So you know I'm acent with it. You
Speaker 1: know anything that I can contribute, any of my resource
Speaker 1: or whatever, I'm on board episode The Gangster Chronicles. Man,
Speaker 1: we really enjoyed it having y'all alone here. Joe Almighty
Speaker 1: shot my nigga Raby been seen him and my homeboy
Speaker 1: James McDonald, and we out of here. B