WEBVTT - TGC Presents"The Foundation" w Ray Benzino & Jo Jo Capone 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:05.360 The Gangster Chronicles podcast presents the Foundation. Hosted by James McDonald, Joe, 0:00:05.440 --> 0:00:09.440 Joe Capone, Ray Bezino, and Big Steel. The Foundation explores 0:00:09.480 --> 0:00:11.920 the history of gangsterism in the urban community and this 0:00:12.080 --> 0:00:15.280 impact on music and culture. We also discussed politics and 0:00:15.360 --> 0:00:18.680 society at large. You can Kiss the Foundation every Tuesday 0:00:18.760 --> 0:00:23.320 starting juneye on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your favorite platform 0:00:23.480 --> 0:00:30.520 via the Digital Soapbox Network. And we got my boy 0:00:30.560 --> 0:00:34.559 show Joe Capon house Load, I'm here, I'm here, and 0:00:34.760 --> 0:00:42.640 Mr Ray Bazino We're ready right and through Chicago, Zino 0:00:43.080 --> 0:00:47.519 chan toos down in Atlanta, y'all in the West. Yeah, man, Hey, 0:00:47.600 --> 0:00:50.239 let me ask you all this fellers. Man, with all 0:00:50.320 --> 0:00:52.640 this stuffing that's going on right now, Man, what's this 0:00:52.720 --> 0:00:57.040 infatire like in Chicago right now? I mean, everybody minds 0:00:57.200 --> 0:00:59.880 is all over the place, and uh, you know, based 0:01:00.200 --> 0:01:04.120 fighting for humanity, man, you know what I'm saying, Uh, 0:01:04.560 --> 0:01:10.840 you know, humanity and equality for the most part. How 0:01:10.880 --> 0:01:14.240 I look at it is, I'm gonna be honest, between 0:01:14.280 --> 0:01:17.840 the looting and the stimulus checks and the unemployment checks, 0:01:18.280 --> 0:01:22.399 niggas is winning right now. Man, Listen, I know, I know, 0:01:22.520 --> 0:01:24.280 and this. You know, I love Obama. You know what 0:01:24.319 --> 0:01:27.440 I'm saying. I love Obama. I love how we calm 0:01:27.680 --> 0:01:32.280 combination down, you know. But you know, niggas wasn't eating 0:01:32.319 --> 0:01:35.559 like this, man. And it's crazy because you know, God 0:01:35.640 --> 0:01:38.000 do things for reasons. But I think, man, God has 0:01:38.000 --> 0:01:41.880 shining on street niggas right now for real, honestly, Oh 0:01:41.920 --> 0:01:45.680 for sure, I understand agreed man, like um, like you know, 0:01:45.880 --> 0:01:48.080 like James, you brought you attest to that man because 0:01:48.120 --> 0:01:52.240 you know, James is one of the most few individuals online, man, 0:01:52.920 --> 0:01:57.040 and he's at opportunity simmers way. Man, It's just like 0:01:57.360 --> 0:02:00.360 you're right. I think God he's really shining man on 0:02:00.400 --> 0:02:03.240 the street chances pure heart, He shine on the ros. 0:02:03.840 --> 0:02:06.640 He shined them hard, got good intentions, you know what 0:02:06.680 --> 0:02:11.760 I mean, right right, right hey? But is that free money? 0:02:12.000 --> 0:02:14.240 I mean, that's this money. They gotta come back some 0:02:14.360 --> 0:02:16.520 kind of way. They're gonna want that money back, like 0:02:16.560 --> 0:02:18.200 on the rent and all that ship. They want their 0:02:18.240 --> 0:02:20.600 money back. So I mean, it ain't like they're giving 0:02:20.680 --> 0:02:24.000 us nothing, you know what I'm saying. You know, to me, 0:02:24.120 --> 0:02:27.400 they owed us. The only thing about that is, like, 0:02:27.919 --> 0:02:30.880 you know, niggas don't mind grabbing that flipped a couple 0:02:30.919 --> 0:02:34.280 of times before we give it back, you know, because honestly, 0:02:34.840 --> 0:02:37.320 with you know, with with when it comes to black people, 0:02:37.520 --> 0:02:42.120 and especially and especially guys out in the street when 0:02:42.200 --> 0:02:44.760 they when they suck up when they when they sucked 0:02:44.840 --> 0:02:47.480 up black people. Since we the low man on the 0:02:47.520 --> 0:02:51.240 top pole and not the whole economy out how to whack. 0:02:52.760 --> 0:02:56.280 Once they give us money, they know we're gonna put 0:02:56.280 --> 0:02:59.000 it back in the economy regardless. And there's a lot 0:02:59.040 --> 0:03:01.320 of money that's gonna come back into the communy. Makers. 0:03:01.360 --> 0:03:03.359 You got cants out there, man, and say, well, pay 0:03:03.360 --> 0:03:06.720 their bills and whatnot right now while they are unemployed. Man. 0:03:06.760 --> 0:03:09.520 You know the thing else me and Jame has been 0:03:09.560 --> 0:03:12.160 on this ship lately, man, I know one thing that 0:03:12.520 --> 0:03:15.440 we do need to have happened. Man, is we gotta 0:03:15.440 --> 0:03:18.600 shoping knocking each other down? Oh yeah, for sure, that's 0:03:18.600 --> 0:03:21.760 without a doubt, you know, because because all the peace 0:03:21.800 --> 0:03:23.960 suck and all the rallies and stuff is cool. Man, 0:03:24.000 --> 0:03:27.320 we're on the police say, man, but it's like, man, 0:03:27.480 --> 0:03:31.680 you know, homicide that is happening. This is another brother 0:03:31.760 --> 0:03:36.880 doing another brother, you know, right that genocide. Well, you 0:03:36.960 --> 0:03:40.960 gotta look at it the way some of us been taught, 0:03:41.480 --> 0:03:44.440 the way some of us think. Man, we believe that 0:03:44.600 --> 0:03:46.360 this is the right way to do what we're doing. 0:03:47.000 --> 0:03:50.920 You know how myself believed in and that was that 0:03:51.000 --> 0:03:53.680 was what we were supposed to do. That was protecting 0:03:53.680 --> 0:03:57.040 the hood, That was protecting your friends and your family. 0:03:57.760 --> 0:04:00.680 But I think the ship that got away from us, 0:04:01.120 --> 0:04:03.840 you know, with all the bad ships going on, and 0:04:03.880 --> 0:04:06.760 I know that everybody see what the trunk doing. We 0:04:06.880 --> 0:04:10.200 still at each other head. Everybody see what the police 0:04:10.280 --> 0:04:14.040 is doing to us. These cats out of here knocking 0:04:14.080 --> 0:04:17.880 each other down during the during the COVID nineteen. You're 0:04:17.880 --> 0:04:19.280 supposed to be in the house, but they out there 0:04:19.440 --> 0:04:24.159 knocking motherfucker's out. So so we gotta figure out a 0:04:24.200 --> 0:04:28.039 way how to stop that part. Everybody got to see 0:04:28.080 --> 0:04:30.400 what the fund is going on, not just see it, 0:04:30.440 --> 0:04:33.479 but understand what the fund is happening. And if we 0:04:33.560 --> 0:04:36.880 don't do that, I don't care how many times you march, 0:04:36.920 --> 0:04:40.119 I don't care how many times you protest. It ain't 0:04:40.160 --> 0:04:46.560 nothing gonna change. It can't change. Yeah, you know, going 0:04:46.600 --> 0:04:50.080 back to red, you know, like we're notorious from us 0:04:50.200 --> 0:04:54.719 supporting each other like at one time man. You was 0:04:54.760 --> 0:04:57.920 the co owner man of the Bible of Hip Hoo, 0:04:58.920 --> 0:05:03.640 the Source magazine. Yeah, yeah, I know. It's always a 0:05:03.720 --> 0:05:08.080 mind from a further way you have because almost in 0:05:08.200 --> 0:05:10.160 the height on the East Coast and so called the 0:05:10.240 --> 0:05:14.320 fake East Coast West Coast beef right, you had differro ricords, 0:05:14.400 --> 0:05:18.400 um source awards right. How you know when that came 0:05:18.440 --> 0:05:22.440 about me, did that cause you in friction? You know, 0:05:22.760 --> 0:05:25.320 you know, to be honest with you, I really thought, 0:05:25.320 --> 0:05:27.840 you know, we was in New York and when I've 0:05:27.880 --> 0:05:30.440 seen how many how many guys from l A we 0:05:30.440 --> 0:05:33.400 were there together, I knew something was going down. I 0:05:33.440 --> 0:05:37.800 thinkured it was going down. Um, it was real tense. Uh. 0:05:37.920 --> 0:05:40.599 You know, I think one of the major factors is 0:05:40.640 --> 0:05:43.520 that we had mation of Islam. There is security, and 0:05:43.920 --> 0:05:46.360 you know, I think I think there's a certain amount 0:05:46.360 --> 0:05:49.040 of respect from both sides that was given to the security, 0:05:49.440 --> 0:05:52.000 even if it wasn't crust, say the social wards as 0:05:52.080 --> 0:05:54.280 much as it was knowing that the nation of Islam 0:05:54.320 --> 0:05:57.080 with it, and just the fact of how they hand 0:05:57.080 --> 0:06:00.200 through theirselves, you know, as security. You know, I mean 0:06:00.480 --> 0:06:04.240 it's black men, you know, uh, watching off black men, 0:06:04.279 --> 0:06:07.479 and I think that made a difference, but with within 0:06:07.600 --> 0:06:10.080 saying that when She'll got up there and said what 0:06:10.120 --> 0:06:13.160 he said about you know puff, I figured, I said, yeah, 0:06:13.200 --> 0:06:15.159 it's going down. If it wasn't for Snoop to go 0:06:15.240 --> 0:06:17.279 up there and said when he said to kind of 0:06:17.279 --> 0:06:20.120 diffuse the situation, it might have went back. You know, 0:06:20.200 --> 0:06:22.360 we just we just thank god it didn't get out 0:06:22.400 --> 0:06:25.440 of control, because it really could have. Um. You know, 0:06:25.560 --> 0:06:29.440 back then, though it was, it seemed like it seemed 0:06:29.480 --> 0:06:32.280 like that you still had a certain amount of leadership, 0:06:33.400 --> 0:06:36.160 You still had a certain amount of like young niggas 0:06:36.160 --> 0:06:38.160 that would look up to O Jez and listen to 0:06:38.200 --> 0:06:41.960 their direction. I think right now that's almost gone, like, 0:06:42.279 --> 0:06:45.240 you know, almost wiped out. You know, I think this 0:06:45.240 --> 0:06:50.560 this generation, I think they just really you know, I 0:06:50.600 --> 0:06:54.120 think they respect o Gee from the sense of okay, 0:06:54.160 --> 0:06:57.960 they didn't extreme as far as listening and as bar 0:06:58.160 --> 0:07:03.120 is taking direction, know what cheems you kind of agree 0:07:03.160 --> 0:07:06.479 with what he said, Oh yeah, for sure. The show. 0:07:06.839 --> 0:07:11.400 I mean, you know, the youngsters up today have no 0:07:11.520 --> 0:07:14.160 clue what the fund is really going on, fathers, what 0:07:14.200 --> 0:07:17.960 they're doing I mean, and I mean gangbanging, uh following 0:07:17.960 --> 0:07:20.960 another homie and all of that other ship. They have 0:07:21.120 --> 0:07:24.400 lost track and they don't understand. Nobody's there to guide 0:07:24.440 --> 0:07:27.800 these little cats, to tell these cats how to get 0:07:27.840 --> 0:07:29.960 down the wedding should get down, or whatever the case 0:07:30.040 --> 0:07:32.640 might be. So yeah, yeah, I agree with that, told 0:07:32.680 --> 0:07:35.160 you and but you gotta find a way to get 0:07:35.200 --> 0:07:38.360 it back. You gotta find a way to get guys 0:07:38.480 --> 0:07:41.360 back in the picture where these little cats can't understand. 0:07:42.000 --> 0:07:46.160 You know, man, my cause was lost. You know, gang 0:07:46.160 --> 0:07:49.680 banging and knocking each other down. You know it's not 0:07:49.760 --> 0:07:52.480 worth it. So you gotta get them. You gotta get 0:07:52.520 --> 0:07:54.680 him on that track. You gotta find some kind of 0:07:54.720 --> 0:07:57.520 way to reach out to these little youngsters because they 0:07:57.520 --> 0:08:01.240 don't give a funk today. We don't care. That's real. 0:08:01.680 --> 0:08:04.640 Show you and your here man like a respect men 0:08:04.680 --> 0:08:06.440 for the O G S Man from the young kiss 0:08:06.440 --> 0:08:10.280 in your neighborhood. Yeah, that's all over there, that's everywhere, 0:08:10.800 --> 0:08:13.280 you know, because a lot of them, you know, they 0:08:13.400 --> 0:08:18.280 started they started ones under the an any influence. So 0:08:18.320 --> 0:08:22.640 if you're under any influence, they're definitely not going show 0:08:22.720 --> 0:08:25.440 no respect there. But if you're on top of your 0:08:25.440 --> 0:08:28.920 a game, you know, and you're letting them know, hey, man, 0:08:29.040 --> 0:08:31.760 come do what I'm doing or over here, then you 0:08:31.760 --> 0:08:35.520 will get more You'll get more receptives from them, you 0:08:35.559 --> 0:08:39.400 know what I'm saying. Yeah, man, yeah, you know going 0:08:39.480 --> 0:08:43.959 back many know it's at that time because you always 0:08:44.080 --> 0:08:47.800 kept the real neutral. Did you get me badmash from 0:08:47.800 --> 0:08:49.480 them cats from the East Coast men? When you had 0:08:49.559 --> 0:08:52.559 the different come on there? You know, when when a 0:08:52.640 --> 0:08:55.280 lot of like especially with the source, you know, it 0:08:55.480 --> 0:08:57.679 was like that really was you know, it was before 0:08:57.720 --> 0:09:00.440 the internet, so really a lot of you know, if 0:09:01.240 --> 0:09:03.040 if it wasn't for the Source, I don't think East 0:09:03.080 --> 0:09:06.400 Coast would know too much about West Coast anyways, you 0:09:06.440 --> 0:09:08.800 know what I'm saying. Unless you was going out there 0:09:08.880 --> 0:09:12.480 for whatever type of reason, you know, you really didn't 0:09:12.520 --> 0:09:15.120 if you wasn't listening to that music, you really didn't 0:09:16.160 --> 0:09:19.719 understand that, you know. And I remember, so you know, 0:09:19.840 --> 0:09:22.920 the magazine was responsible for definitely bring a lot of 0:09:22.960 --> 0:09:25.200 the artists from the West Coast in the picture, which 0:09:25.240 --> 0:09:29.040 really was the street representatives. Hip hop made us from 0:09:29.160 --> 0:09:31.120 different parts of the country because when you look at it, 0:09:31.360 --> 0:09:35.040 we all the same thing. The differences you know, of course, 0:09:35.160 --> 0:09:38.840 our slang, the differences um um, you know, as far 0:09:38.920 --> 0:09:42.040 as the way our environment is how our blocks are 0:09:42.320 --> 0:09:44.640 because that plays a big part of when you have beef. 0:09:45.000 --> 0:09:47.120 So my thing is, like, you know, if you didn't 0:09:47.120 --> 0:09:49.520 know about the West Coast, you did pick the magazine 0:09:49.600 --> 0:09:51.200 up and it kind of gave you a little bit 0:09:51.280 --> 0:09:53.800 of it. When you started watching the Sauce Awards, it 0:09:53.880 --> 0:09:56.199 started giving you more of it. Expecting the source to 0:09:56.240 --> 0:09:58.520 be neutral even though it was based out of New York, 0:09:58.920 --> 0:10:01.880 you know, the West Coast was getting. I mean, come on, 0:10:02.080 --> 0:10:04.840 Drey Snoop, it was getting. There was a time where 0:10:04.920 --> 0:10:07.480 it was major in the West Coast. So that's where 0:10:07.600 --> 0:10:10.000 hip hop was it since hip hop was the culture, 0:10:10.320 --> 0:10:13.760 that's where the culture was. So I mean things happen 0:10:13.840 --> 0:10:16.800 for reasons. When you got death Row and bad Boy 0:10:16.920 --> 0:10:19.600 going at each other like that, that was a moment 0:10:19.679 --> 0:10:23.640 in time where it was inevitable because again both coats 0:10:23.720 --> 0:10:26.440 really didn't know about each other. So now you got 0:10:26.600 --> 0:10:30.079 niggas from each coast, powerful they got money. Niggas is 0:10:30.160 --> 0:10:34.400 deep right there. That was a crazy time though, man, 0:10:35.200 --> 0:10:36.719 same was you out there want to do these You 0:10:36.760 --> 0:10:40.319 were in New York with them when they did No no, no, 0:10:40.880 --> 0:10:43.880 I didn't not I didn't do that, But I mean 0:10:44.600 --> 0:10:48.440 it was crazy because you know, it introduced the neighborhood 0:10:48.520 --> 0:10:52.640 to the music world, and now the hood is out there, 0:10:52.679 --> 0:10:55.520 and now the hood is looking, you know, people looking 0:10:55.600 --> 0:10:59.400 at our neighborhood like, wow, they got money. And you know, 0:11:00.000 --> 0:11:03.199 that took a lot of cats from the neighborhood to 0:11:03.440 --> 0:11:08.040 New York, to to North Carolina. So now people were 0:11:08.120 --> 0:11:12.079 saying what type of niggas California was on the west 0:11:12.200 --> 0:11:16.080 what the West coast was. So it was crazy because 0:11:16.679 --> 0:11:20.280 you know, you have Puffy them coming to Compton and 0:11:20.720 --> 0:11:23.240 you had niggas getting in their cars because they knew 0:11:23.320 --> 0:11:26.040 what street they was on just to get a glimpse, 0:11:26.720 --> 0:11:30.920 and and was on some bs because Buffy was hanging 0:11:31.000 --> 0:11:34.920 with the different with the other side. So it brung 0:11:35.000 --> 0:11:38.079 a lot of animalsity, it brung a lot of It 0:11:38.640 --> 0:11:41.360 brung a lot of bullshit to to to both sides, 0:11:41.960 --> 0:11:47.199 to both sides. I'm quite sure it affected everybody you 0:11:47.280 --> 0:11:52.040 know that was involved in it. So he right, But 0:11:53.160 --> 0:11:56.520 didn't not good come out of it? Yeah, I'm back. 0:11:56.679 --> 0:12:00.880 I think it dropped them back. It was I'm good man. Yeah, 0:12:01.000 --> 0:12:06.640 James is just reiterated before man. Yeah, yeah, And that's amazing. 0:12:06.760 --> 0:12:09.319 Thing man about this music though, man, and that like 0:12:09.520 --> 0:12:11.880 like you just said, exchange. It took the cats on 0:12:12.040 --> 0:12:14.880 to come to the places like New York, North Carolina 0:12:15.480 --> 0:12:18.800 and all these other places. Now, Ray you really, man, 0:12:18.920 --> 0:12:21.079 I'm messing with you man, because you always been on 0:12:21.160 --> 0:12:24.280 the Chi ship. You know what I mean. That's all 0:12:24.320 --> 0:12:28.320 I know, That's all I know. Yeah, y'all was the first, 0:12:28.440 --> 0:12:31.719 like out of your neighborhood of Boston, y'all had the 0:12:31.800 --> 0:12:35.280 first gangster rep group all money are and so we 0:12:35.360 --> 0:12:38.000 got we got, you know, Easy to Eat. We got 0:12:38.080 --> 0:12:39.480 a meeting with Easy to Eat. This is when he 0:12:39.600 --> 0:12:41.880 was going through the ship with Shell and and and 0:12:41.960 --> 0:12:44.480 the meeting was through uh a, my FIA lawyer, through 0:12:44.520 --> 0:12:47.520 my father. He was a mob lawyer represent the company 0:12:47.520 --> 0:12:51.079 of Italian guys who was representing Easy at Cheery Hello. 0:12:51.640 --> 0:12:53.920 We set a meeting up and then Easy had um. 0:12:54.200 --> 0:12:56.760 He met with a Saucy met with a just Hotel 0:12:57.280 --> 0:12:59.599 and I never and I never and never forget it 0:13:00.200 --> 0:13:03.800 said that his wife was signing boone Dougs and that 0:13:04.120 --> 0:13:06.160 and that he was gonna sign us. And then the 0:13:06.240 --> 0:13:08.240 next week he went and see the side I and 0:13:08.320 --> 0:13:10.480 then then and then two weeks later he passed away. Man, 0:13:10.640 --> 0:13:12.480 we never you know, our Dale never got on it. 0:13:12.920 --> 0:13:21.760 Yeah that's crazy man, because I knew right yeah yeah yeah, 0:13:22.559 --> 0:13:29.400 and the man. But listen, listen, but we'll talk. Okay. See, 0:13:29.400 --> 0:13:32.200 I know Chicago Ben bent down to gang ship from 0:13:32.280 --> 0:13:37.040 day one. Day one. Boston was different. So Boston had 0:13:37.120 --> 0:13:40.520 blocks and everything. But when Colors came out, it showed 0:13:40.600 --> 0:13:43.079 when niggas seen how crips and bloods got down on 0:13:43.240 --> 0:13:46.760 in that movie. That's when everybody started grabbing them, like 0:13:47.000 --> 0:13:49.599 naming their blocks. Now it was and and wailing the 0:13:49.720 --> 0:13:52.640 same type of like um started jacket. So you'd have 0:13:52.760 --> 0:13:55.240 to blew up to Every project had a different New 0:13:55.320 --> 0:14:00.640 York Giants, the Pittsfug Pirates to the Portland Trailblazers. So 0:14:00.920 --> 0:14:03.959 it was after the movie Colors. That movie that's so 0:14:04.480 --> 0:14:07.480 the West Coast had so much it turned it upside 0:14:07.520 --> 0:14:12.079 down everywhere. You know what, I think Colors, So I 0:14:12.200 --> 0:14:15.959 think Colors in the whole country. Man, it had the 0:14:16.040 --> 0:14:25.120 whole country off the hood that ship. Yet But to 0:14:25.240 --> 0:14:27.840 me it was but I'm I'm I'm from here, and 0:14:29.000 --> 0:14:32.320 I didn't see that. I didn't see that Colors. I mean, 0:14:32.400 --> 0:14:36.760 it was just so watered down. Um uh, straight out 0:14:36.800 --> 0:14:39.680 of comfort and so watered down boys and the louis 0:14:39.800 --> 0:14:43.760 so watered down that I mean, I don't know. I 0:14:43.880 --> 0:14:47.800 guess they wasn't like they didn't really show or depict 0:14:48.160 --> 0:14:52.000 what real gang banging was about. And you know, for 0:14:52.200 --> 0:14:55.160 people not to know that might be some wild ship 0:14:55.320 --> 0:14:58.040 to them, but I didn't. I didn't. I didn't get 0:14:58.120 --> 0:15:01.360 that effect. To man, none of the those movies Mann. 0:15:03.040 --> 0:15:05.640 We tell you something. When that She came out, niggas 0:15:05.800 --> 0:15:08.720 want that l A. The l A influence from the 0:15:08.800 --> 0:15:11.360 gang banging was so hard that that was like the 0:15:11.440 --> 0:15:14.600 first movie that showed that before you know who hip 0:15:14.640 --> 0:15:18.040 hop movies were like from New York breaking wild style 0:15:18.160 --> 0:15:20.360 and ship. But when Colors came out, it was the 0:15:20.440 --> 0:15:24.680 first element of banging. And then when niggas was like show, okay, 0:15:24.720 --> 0:15:27.440 this this this gang wearing red, is that gang wearing blue. 0:15:27.760 --> 0:15:30.400 Niggas got choppers out in Boston. Niggas was only really 0:15:30.440 --> 0:15:35.320 fucking with pump shotguns thirty eight twenty two longs. It 0:15:35.440 --> 0:15:38.000 wasn't too many you know, eight ks in Boston back then. 0:15:38.040 --> 0:15:40.200 You know what I'm saying. So, you know, I mean 0:15:40.400 --> 0:15:42.440 l A was reversed rates like when it came to that. 0:15:43.200 --> 0:15:45.600 And see for us, so us you know what I'm saying. 0:15:45.640 --> 0:15:48.240 The elements are gang banging with Shan through our eyes 0:15:48.840 --> 0:15:51.360 with the Black Stars and the g d's through um 0:15:52.480 --> 0:15:56.160 through um good times. You know what I'm saying. Man, 0:15:56.240 --> 0:16:00.200 So good good times are shown, you know, and any 0:16:00.320 --> 0:16:03.080 green And that was before Colors and all that came out, 0:16:03.240 --> 0:16:07.360 so like so they they gotta understand it. But it 0:16:07.560 --> 0:16:09.840 was more so like remember how they was trying to 0:16:09.920 --> 0:16:17.720 make J J joined the gang they were making Yeah, 0:16:17.840 --> 0:16:20.360 like when mad Dal came through and then before that 0:16:20.600 --> 0:16:24.040 we had we had what wounds cheeks nimp? What was 0:16:24.080 --> 0:16:28.200 the name of that movie? Coolie? Coolie? So Coolie? How 0:16:28.440 --> 0:16:31.680 was yeah? So Coolie? How was the was the birth? 0:16:32.200 --> 0:16:36.120 Was the was the birth of showing gangs in a movie? 0:16:36.720 --> 0:16:39.720 You know what I'm saying? And the movie ram on 0:16:39.920 --> 0:16:43.360 TV like Coolie Hid and Good Times that was. But 0:16:43.600 --> 0:16:48.560 but Colors put it more in depth strictly on the games, 0:16:49.120 --> 0:16:52.200 see Coolie, I they showed you know what I'm saying, 0:16:52.400 --> 0:16:54.240 Vice lords, you know what I'm saying. So the vice 0:16:54.320 --> 0:16:59.240 lords was introduced and uh what he holler? Folks? Lords? 0:16:59.320 --> 0:17:01.920 You know when they say when they stood up deciphos, 0:17:02.040 --> 0:17:04.240 you know what I'm saying. So so you know, so 0:17:04.560 --> 0:17:07.600 it's you know, so it it. But people that was 0:17:07.680 --> 0:17:09.680 still the seventies. You know what I'm saying, That was 0:17:09.720 --> 0:17:13.440 still what the early seventies later like yeah, so, so 0:17:13.680 --> 0:17:16.400 people wasn't even damn they're boring, you know what I'm saying. 0:17:16.840 --> 0:17:20.080 So because you gotta think Larry who Larry who had 0:17:20.119 --> 0:17:23.720 been in jaiff? Oh your life now, James you fifty 0:17:23.800 --> 0:17:26.640 four ship who have been in jail y'all. You see 0:17:26.680 --> 0:17:31.399 what I'm saying, right, So you know that, Yeah, so 0:17:31.600 --> 0:17:35.160 him and Jeff Fortingham, we gotta start thinking our gang 0:17:35.320 --> 0:17:38.879 leaders these dudes is damn they're eighty years old, you 0:17:38.960 --> 0:17:42.560 know what I'm saying. You know so so so it's like, 0:17:43.520 --> 0:17:47.920 we don't get upset when nobody is saying like you know, uh, 0:17:48.280 --> 0:17:51.639 the West Coast in Florence gang banging, We don't get upset. 0:17:51.720 --> 0:17:54.000 We just correct them, you know what I'm saying. Because 0:17:54.320 --> 0:17:57.320 of course, for us, we know that it was just 0:17:57.600 --> 0:18:00.600 black panthers for the most part on the West before 0:18:00.760 --> 0:18:03.119 you know, two Key was stealing the g DS and 0:18:03.160 --> 0:18:04.960 the vice lords and the black Peace Stones and the 0:18:05.080 --> 0:18:09.000 Latin Kings will throttle ship. And they was already you know, 0:18:09.160 --> 0:18:11.320 that ship was already going on. But you know a 0:18:11.440 --> 0:18:13.960 person like did you here keeping on hunt it because 0:18:13.960 --> 0:18:16.320 it's daddy from here, you know. So he grew up here, 0:18:16.400 --> 0:18:19.199 back and forth throughout the summers, you know, like James, 0:18:19.280 --> 0:18:21.400 you know what I'm saying, or you're a freeway back 0:18:21.480 --> 0:18:23.840 and forth, you know, saying just say to Houston. So 0:18:24.080 --> 0:18:27.440 y'all could growing up with the family members throughout Texas. 0:18:27.840 --> 0:18:30.320 You know, you were spread. So everybody got the traveling. 0:18:30.640 --> 0:18:34.160 But then what started happening to once the coke, once 0:18:34.240 --> 0:18:37.800 the cocaine he did, that's when a lot of people 0:18:37.920 --> 0:18:41.479 start basically marinating all over the world. You know, they 0:18:41.520 --> 0:18:46.120 started traveling everywhere. And you know, now from that point, 0:18:46.560 --> 0:18:49.320 you know, you just got this hip hop surgeons. So 0:18:49.520 --> 0:18:54.000 the game Banging Gat. Yeah, so the gang the game 0:18:54.080 --> 0:18:58.680 Banging Gat more popularized throughout the drug culture because the 0:18:59.040 --> 0:19:02.119 because the hilball artists wanted to be the dope boys. 0:19:02.280 --> 0:19:03.959 Hey but Joe, Joe, let me make a point. Look 0:19:04.000 --> 0:19:06.080 at this. You know, look, look so so when you 0:19:06.160 --> 0:19:09.119 talk Cooley High, you're right, that show and and and 0:19:09.400 --> 0:19:12.159 Believe me, I knew that. So look at Cooley Hid. 0:19:12.240 --> 0:19:14.760 The soundtrack to that movie was all the Jackson five 0:19:14.880 --> 0:19:20.680 in Bowtown. Them songs wasn't like Colors was all gangster 0:19:20.800 --> 0:19:24.720 ship rapping about killing teeth, Baseline team. It was like 0:19:24.840 --> 0:19:27.960 it was the soundtrack that demonized it more, that made 0:19:28.040 --> 0:19:31.320 it more dangerous and sexy to wear. You know, the 0:19:31.480 --> 0:19:34.359 Chicago gangs from me on outside looking in, it was 0:19:34.440 --> 0:19:36.760 a way of life. So when you looking at Cooey High, 0:19:36.800 --> 0:19:39.320 you showing these kids going to school, playing basketball, but 0:19:39.520 --> 0:19:42.240 Nigga's still can't go in certain places. You know what 0:19:42.280 --> 0:19:45.200 I'm saying to where is that now? When Colors come out? 0:19:45.840 --> 0:19:48.560 Nigga's the whole movie is about a k. Nigga's up 0:19:48.600 --> 0:19:50.560 the whole movie. You know what I'm saying, Kill kill, 0:19:50.680 --> 0:19:53.960 kill kill. It wasn't going to school, it wasn't seeing 0:19:54.000 --> 0:19:56.840 homeboy living with his mother like it just was really 0:19:56.960 --> 0:19:59.280 just like you said, focusing there strictly on the gangs 0:19:59.560 --> 0:20:03.439 and not person himself. So that's why Chicago probably didn't 0:20:03.520 --> 0:20:07.200 get like the rap that l A got from it, 0:20:07.320 --> 0:20:10.639 because I think hip hop hip hop brought that out 0:20:10.680 --> 0:20:12.880 of l A. Because I'm from Cleveland regionally. I haven't 0:20:12.920 --> 0:20:16.560 come to California to eight seven eighty eight, So I 0:20:16.720 --> 0:20:20.080 remember though around the time the colors here. That's when 0:20:20.119 --> 0:20:22.639 you had cats. Guess when you had blood because I 0:20:22.760 --> 0:20:25.800 know some bloodhoods and King of to Cleveland that was 0:20:25.880 --> 0:20:30.240 in Cleveland dating Cincinnati selling due. So that was my 0:20:30.400 --> 0:20:32.560 first time here about where the blood was or what 0:20:32.680 --> 0:20:35.000 the crypt was. Because it was casting from the west 0:20:35.040 --> 0:20:37.359 coast of the day, they had the best prices and 0:20:37.440 --> 0:20:39.400 they had to say you know what I mean, Yeah, 0:20:39.880 --> 0:20:43.199 that's what happened. When the gangs came to the drugs 0:20:43.240 --> 0:20:46.200 in the game came to it was hand in hand, 0:20:46.400 --> 0:20:48.520 you know what I'm saying. It was hand in hand. 0:20:48.600 --> 0:20:51.600 It was like, Okay, you walked in the drugs, you're 0:20:51.640 --> 0:20:54.080 gonna be a part of the game too, you see 0:20:54.080 --> 0:20:58.400 what I'm saying. See, that's how I caught on. You're right, 0:20:59.280 --> 0:21:02.160 ray Jo Joker. What happens changed a lot of these 0:21:02.240 --> 0:21:07.000 hoods that's in Kansas City, Kansas City, Massias especially um 0:21:07.320 --> 0:21:11.280 some parts of Columbus, Cincinnati. A lot of them got 0:21:11.359 --> 0:21:13.640 hoods up there. Like you might need to do from 0:21:13.680 --> 0:21:16.639 Cincinnati to tell y'all mover. He never seen who for 0:21:16.680 --> 0:21:18.720 a day in his life. But it was a dude 0:21:18.760 --> 0:21:23.000 that came down. It was mover, bricks and cocaine, and 0:21:23.080 --> 0:21:25.359 that's what he said. He said, man of Mover. So 0:21:25.560 --> 0:21:30.560 y'all moved to night. Well the way it went and 0:21:30.880 --> 0:21:32.560 and you know, I was one of those cats that 0:21:32.720 --> 0:21:38.640 was leaving competent going to Uhura out in Denver, going 0:21:38.720 --> 0:21:42.080 to Las Vegas. Uh you know, Southern Larson doing that 0:21:42.200 --> 0:21:45.560 ship like that. And what happened was was cats that 0:21:45.760 --> 0:21:48.480 that was buying from us. And then you know they 0:21:48.600 --> 0:21:51.200 started to kick it with you. Now they want to 0:21:51.359 --> 0:21:55.280 be like you all your ful comforting, who man, I 0:21:55.520 --> 0:21:59.760 get down and we would just let motherfucker's joined the hood. 0:21:59.800 --> 0:22:04.120 And then they started a game within the gang. Already 0:22:04.480 --> 0:22:07.320 I ain't been to Denver and in thirty years, but 0:22:07.480 --> 0:22:10.399 they still got the hood out there. And that's how 0:22:10.480 --> 0:22:12.879 they do it, you know what I'm saying. Some of 0:22:12.960 --> 0:22:15.000 the cats that was coming from out of town, like 0:22:15.160 --> 0:22:18.520 my little homeboy, hand Dog. Hand Dog is from Chicago. 0:22:19.200 --> 0:22:22.040 He got the two moons on his on his back 0:22:22.119 --> 0:22:25.280 the whole night. But the way that we was getting down, 0:22:25.400 --> 0:22:27.640 he was already with it as a as a youngster 0:22:28.000 --> 0:22:33.160 and he pipped right in, so you know, he understood, 0:22:34.240 --> 0:22:37.639 you know, the transition. So it was pretty much the 0:22:37.760 --> 0:22:41.320 same thing. But to keep it one hundred, hand Dog 0:22:41.520 --> 0:22:44.520 was a little elevated for his age. He was more 0:22:45.520 --> 0:22:49.800 more knowledgeable about what to get down and and that 0:22:49.920 --> 0:22:52.680 ship that he brought into the neighborhood was so different 0:22:53.080 --> 0:22:57.920 because you know the cats, my little brother age was 0:22:58.080 --> 0:23:01.240 hand dog age, and they was like, damn, let's get down, 0:23:01.400 --> 0:23:03.600 is like, and they and they followed it, you know 0:23:03.640 --> 0:23:07.360 what I'm saying. He was with it. So when when 0:23:07.600 --> 0:23:10.840 when two different world's hook up like that, man, it 0:23:11.040 --> 0:23:13.600 just it just changed the whole thing. And a lot 0:23:13.680 --> 0:23:17.400 of guys out there right now the day then started 0:23:17.480 --> 0:23:20.680 families out of town, you know, just from roaring out 0:23:20.720 --> 0:23:23.600 there with with a bird and it never came home, 0:23:24.480 --> 0:23:28.280 you know what I'm saying. So it it took in 0:23:28.359 --> 0:23:33.200 the gave from both sides. Now understanding what it's like 0:23:33.320 --> 0:23:36.359 to be in Chicago, I can't say I understand that 0:23:36.440 --> 0:23:41.880 I got family in Chicago. Um, I got family in Houston, Texas. 0:23:42.680 --> 0:23:45.280 Going to Texas and and trip it off, how they 0:23:45.400 --> 0:23:50.040 game bang? To me, Texas is like three days behind 0:23:51.080 --> 0:23:53.280 on on every motherfucking thing you do and how you 0:23:53.359 --> 0:23:57.119 get down out there. I really didn't understand they they movement, 0:23:57.359 --> 0:23:59.760 and there was more on the pussy tip for me 0:23:59.840 --> 0:24:03.040 be because when bitches here you can California, they want 0:24:03.080 --> 0:24:05.200 to try to California, Nigga. You know what I'm saying, 0:24:05.680 --> 0:24:09.480 and it's it's it's exactly how you're saying it, but 0:24:10.600 --> 0:24:15.280 it brings more to it. Colors. Colors didn't show me, 0:24:16.000 --> 0:24:18.639 and that's because I'm from here, right and I know 0:24:18.760 --> 0:24:21.040 what it was like. But Colors didn't show me that 0:24:21.680 --> 0:24:25.080 this is some real gang banging ship. This is to me, 0:24:25.200 --> 0:24:29.960 it's water down. It was watered down, and but being 0:24:30.040 --> 0:24:32.959 from somewhere else, it just shows you, damn that's how 0:24:33.000 --> 0:24:36.479 they get down out there. Like niggas out here they 0:24:36.560 --> 0:24:38.760 can say all them niggas is wheenies. Them niggas is 0:24:38.880 --> 0:24:42.800 wheny in Texas, man, it's killers everywhere. It's it's cats 0:24:42.880 --> 0:24:47.280 out there. That's that's more about it than than we are, 0:24:47.600 --> 0:24:50.879 you know what I'm saying. So let's just say we 0:24:51.000 --> 0:24:53.800 took death Row and I was going to New York 0:24:53.880 --> 0:24:57.320 with shil and eight and it was so different to 0:24:57.400 --> 0:25:02.320 me because I'm trying to identified cats through color. I 0:25:02.400 --> 0:25:05.640 didn't see no red and blue bandannas, I didn't see 0:25:05.680 --> 0:25:08.120 something like that. They was on some totally different ship, 0:25:09.119 --> 0:25:12.040 So I couldn't identify that ship and and I just 0:25:12.160 --> 0:25:14.320 didn't know who the funk with, So I just kept 0:25:14.440 --> 0:25:19.680 one hunted and stayed to myself. So if if I 0:25:19.760 --> 0:25:21.639 had kept going to New York, I probably would have 0:25:21.680 --> 0:25:24.360 been working with him and then understanding that we don't 0:25:24.480 --> 0:25:28.960 understand each other's culture, so automatically we're gonna clash. I 0:25:29.040 --> 0:25:32.320 don't know you, so I gotta come ready already. I 0:25:32.440 --> 0:25:36.360 gotta be prepared for certain things. If you're not, you're 0:25:36.400 --> 0:25:39.320 not coming home. You know what I'm saying. You're getting 0:25:39.359 --> 0:25:43.760 involved like this little young cat. You know, you bring 0:25:43.920 --> 0:25:49.159 people into your world. And and listen, people got a 0:25:49.320 --> 0:25:52.960 different agenda around this motherfucker. These young cats got a 0:25:53.040 --> 0:25:57.159 different agenda. These young cats is thinking about nothing but self. 0:25:57.680 --> 0:26:00.800 It's totally different how it was in the mad seventies 0:26:01.240 --> 0:26:04.920 early eighties. It's totally different. Being a gang member is 0:26:05.080 --> 0:26:09.080 being all about self. Now it's all about who got 0:26:09.160 --> 0:26:11.280 the money, how we gonna make the money, and how 0:26:11.320 --> 0:26:13.760 I'm gonna get the money out of you. Supposed to 0:26:14.200 --> 0:26:16.720 being on the same grind. It ain't like that no 0:26:16.840 --> 0:26:20.000 more should I'm asking y'all, how do we get it? 0:26:20.480 --> 0:26:24.719 How you get back at least some of that, at 0:26:24.800 --> 0:26:26.840 least some of that, some of the respect, because you 0:26:26.920 --> 0:26:30.320 ain't got no loyalty, You ain't got no respect. You know, 0:26:30.560 --> 0:26:32.920 you don't have nothing on the streets. And that's a 0:26:33.080 --> 0:26:36.320 that's a bad uh formula right there. You don't you 0:26:36.359 --> 0:26:40.159 don't have nothing. So who do you treat? We know 0:26:40.359 --> 0:26:43.600 how we get jealousy and envy. That's part of the 0:26:43.720 --> 0:26:46.840 seven Deadly sins, you know what I'm saying. So it's 0:26:46.880 --> 0:26:49.320 like the person with the bank the person with the 0:26:49.400 --> 0:26:54.080 bank roll basically determines the atmosphere or what's going on 0:26:54.320 --> 0:26:57.359 in the neighborhood. But if it's a guy that's in 0:26:57.440 --> 0:26:59.840 the neighborhood and he getting the bank roll from doing 0:27:00.040 --> 0:27:03.800 credit card scams, then you know, the the guy that 0:27:04.000 --> 0:27:07.600 was a robber, he's not gonna respect that dude. But 0:27:07.800 --> 0:27:10.840 the dude that's staying fresh and got the cars and 0:27:10.880 --> 0:27:14.400 the jury and he doing credit card scams, he gonna 0:27:14.480 --> 0:27:18.040 be more looked at from the neighborhood because he got 0:27:18.119 --> 0:27:20.520 the money. He got everything that the robber don't have. 0:27:21.440 --> 0:27:25.959 So it's like once wants the credit card guy come up, 0:27:26.040 --> 0:27:28.360 once the scammer. I just say so, once the scammer 0:27:28.720 --> 0:27:32.280 come to the neighborhood with with with open arms and 0:27:32.400 --> 0:27:36.040 thinking he got open arms. But in reality, the robbers, 0:27:36.040 --> 0:27:39.320 all the jack boys is sitting back laying on him. 0:27:40.040 --> 0:27:43.359 You know what I'm saying. All the jackboys is waiting 0:27:43.400 --> 0:27:45.639 to rob the scammel, you know what I'm saying, and 0:27:45.680 --> 0:27:48.720 they start alien nating him. So you know, for the 0:27:48.840 --> 0:27:51.399 most part, it's kind of like it's a gift and 0:27:51.480 --> 0:27:53.480 the courage. Bro, it's kind of hard, you know, like 0:27:53.640 --> 0:27:56.760 for us, um, so you know, so so you know, 0:27:56.920 --> 0:28:00.960 so the transitioning was different, like you say, for most James, 0:28:01.080 --> 0:28:05.240 like uh l a were hit um when they started 0:28:05.320 --> 0:28:07.840 coming towards me. Like for us, the g d S 0:28:07.960 --> 0:28:11.360 was in thirty five states, that's documented, right and um, 0:28:11.840 --> 0:28:13.800 you know far as the case was going, we had 0:28:13.880 --> 0:28:17.760 thirty five states, so uh and in high power. You know, 0:28:17.840 --> 0:28:20.359 we had guys, but they took us from a street 0:28:20.400 --> 0:28:24.080 gang to an organized crime so they automatically threw us 0:28:24.200 --> 0:28:27.880 in the same boat is the Italian mafia. So that's 0:28:27.920 --> 0:28:31.200 what changed everything for us in the Gate and we 0:28:31.440 --> 0:28:36.040 basically envy the um the wild wild west of the 0:28:36.520 --> 0:28:39.680 We can do whatever whenever that l A had, you 0:28:39.760 --> 0:28:42.800 see what I'm saying, because we all organized, but everybody 0:28:42.840 --> 0:28:45.920 in l A and you know my Peru might didn't 0:28:45.960 --> 0:28:48.600 get along with with the Swans. You see what I'm saying, 0:28:48.680 --> 0:28:51.320 stuff like that and that and that didn't happen. That 0:28:51.400 --> 0:28:53.680 couldn't happen for us. So it's like when t Rogers 0:28:53.800 --> 0:28:56.760 was sent out there to bring the Black Peace Stones. 0:28:56.840 --> 0:28:59.600 You see, he went straight got in the jungles and 0:28:59.720 --> 0:29:03.360 had so anybody from the Shy when we came out there, 0:29:03.840 --> 0:29:06.120 they linked up with t Rogers in the jungle and 0:29:06.160 --> 0:29:08.480 they still felt as if they was on You see 0:29:08.480 --> 0:29:12.240 what I'm saying, um and for the and you know, 0:29:12.400 --> 0:29:15.480 so for the and and other than that. You know, 0:29:15.760 --> 0:29:18.680 if Big Youth, some of his cousins and them from 0:29:18.720 --> 0:29:21.600 the hundreds or the suburbs came out there, they're being 0:29:21.640 --> 0:29:24.040 the sixties, you see what I'm saying. And far As 0:29:24.160 --> 0:29:26.920 Compton like with me, I'm being Compton, but I'd be 0:29:27.000 --> 0:29:29.520 on the south side. You know, even the speed it 0:29:29.600 --> 0:29:31.960 up to date, I was on the block when Um, 0:29:32.640 --> 0:29:35.400 when Serena and Venus and their sister got killed, I 0:29:35.560 --> 0:29:37.880 was standing out there, you know what I'm saying. Her 0:29:37.960 --> 0:29:41.040 boyfriend hit the block. We thought it was a drive 0:29:41.160 --> 0:29:44.160 back going on. So the the the shots went to 0:29:44.240 --> 0:29:47.120 the costs, so it was it was an accident, you 0:29:47.200 --> 0:29:49.840 see what I'm saying. So it was like, um, you know, 0:29:50.000 --> 0:29:52.800 so I always had you know, been in and you 0:29:52.880 --> 0:29:57.360 know throughout Inglewoods, South cent You, Compton, Um, you know, 0:29:57.760 --> 0:30:00.520 l A in general throughout my whole life. So for me, 0:30:00.680 --> 0:30:03.120 like I gotta tell a person, I'm born in Chicago, 0:30:03.640 --> 0:30:05.880 but I'm raised in New York, l A and Miami, 0:30:06.040 --> 0:30:08.760 So I grew up in all the major cities, you 0:30:08.800 --> 0:30:11.240 see what I'm saying, and then throughout like you say, 0:30:11.320 --> 0:30:14.640 once the drugs got introduced to us in the early eighties, 0:30:15.040 --> 0:30:17.240 that put us on the road. So yeah, we're gonna 0:30:17.320 --> 0:30:21.560 end up in Cleveland, throughout Ohio, in Boston because like 0:30:21.720 --> 0:30:25.720 Venzino can tell you, majority of Boston they direct descendants, 0:30:25.800 --> 0:30:28.360 was coming from Detroit, you see what I'm saying. So 0:30:28.520 --> 0:30:30.680 it's it's like, so you got so you got the 0:30:30.800 --> 0:30:34.280 same influence from Midwest cities all over the world too. 0:30:34.600 --> 0:30:36.800 You see what I'm saying. Just like even right now today, 0:30:37.280 --> 0:30:39.880 majority of all our rappers that made it, they live 0:30:39.920 --> 0:30:43.360 in l A. You know what I'm saying. Everybody, you 0:30:43.400 --> 0:30:44.880 know what I'm saying, they live in l A. So 0:30:45.000 --> 0:30:48.720 it's it's so so it's always still been that same way, 0:30:49.000 --> 0:30:51.640 you know what I'm saying. So, and like you said, 0:30:51.680 --> 0:30:54.360 that's how we're gonna have family. We're gonna be related. 0:30:54.480 --> 0:30:57.600 And that's what family unions was for. Even though some 0:30:57.760 --> 0:31:00.400 people don't have them as much, they don't have family 0:31:00.760 --> 0:31:03.880 reunions as much, but that's what that was the point 0:31:03.920 --> 0:31:06.840 and purpose of it. Because James just say, like if 0:31:06.920 --> 0:31:09.880 mama had five six kids, each one of y'all got 0:31:10.080 --> 0:31:13.320 five six kids, and that just keep trickling, trickling trickling, 0:31:13.560 --> 0:31:16.040 you know. And for a lot of us, our grandparents, 0:31:16.120 --> 0:31:19.000 like my grandmama, gut seventeen brothers and sisters. I don't 0:31:19.040 --> 0:31:24.080 know all them people, man all for oh, for y'all. All, 0:31:24.200 --> 0:31:26.800 For y'all, all three of y'all can be blood related 0:31:26.840 --> 0:31:29.240 to me right now. And the only way I'm gonna 0:31:29.280 --> 0:31:32.680 know is constantly staying in touch with y'all. You see 0:31:32.680 --> 0:31:36.520 what I'm saying. I think it's my thing is But Joe, 0:31:36.560 --> 0:31:38.160 you said it look like you said, there ain't no 0:31:38.240 --> 0:31:41.320 more family reunions when you look at each of our generations, 0:31:41.600 --> 0:31:44.880 you know, me and James fifty four, I'll be fifty 0:31:44.920 --> 0:31:48.120 five in July. When I grew up, regardless of how 0:31:48.400 --> 0:31:51.959 how chaos it was, you still fell loved in the family. 0:31:52.000 --> 0:31:54.400 You still felt family structure, You still kept in touch 0:31:54.480 --> 0:31:58.160 with odd talkers. They were there as time went by 0:31:58.800 --> 0:32:02.400 the good thing about living and being fifty five right 0:32:02.440 --> 0:32:05.240 now is because you can actually look at the seventies, eighties, 0:32:05.360 --> 0:32:08.200 nineties and two thousand's and really see the difference of 0:32:08.400 --> 0:32:11.760 of ship and and and You're right, there ain't no 0:32:11.880 --> 0:32:15.520 more family reunions. Actually, the the the whole families have 0:32:15.720 --> 0:32:18.440 been fucking broke up and fucked up to where it's 0:32:18.520 --> 0:32:20.920 like ship ship my nigga, Joe shin me and you 0:32:21.040 --> 0:32:24.800 closer than and then and then the ship seven my family. 0:32:25.480 --> 0:32:27.320 It's you know, you know, you know, you know, and 0:32:27.400 --> 0:32:30.240 that's and and that's sad, but that's the reality of it, 0:32:30.400 --> 0:32:33.080 you know, like you know, these crackers don't broke down 0:32:33.120 --> 0:32:35.760 the structure of us and and and I know we 0:32:35.880 --> 0:32:37.920 can't keep blaming them, you know, but we have to 0:32:38.000 --> 0:32:40.560 know that that's that's where it came from, you know 0:32:40.560 --> 0:32:43.200 what I'm saying. But it's working. And part of this, 0:32:43.400 --> 0:32:47.239 like you know, they've given women everything to emasculate us 0:32:47.840 --> 0:32:50.720 and and and you know, like they're gonna give them section, 0:32:50.760 --> 0:32:52.760 they they're gonna give them child support, they're gonna give 0:32:52.760 --> 0:32:56.160 them everything to basically funk us up, you know, because 0:32:56.200 --> 0:32:58.080 the whole thing is to funk up the street. Nigga, 0:32:58.360 --> 0:33:01.680 we're like the species better know that after us, it's 0:33:01.760 --> 0:33:03.760 it's gonna be fucked up out here, you know what 0:33:03.800 --> 0:33:05.440 I'm saying. There's just no ways around it. And that's 0:33:05.480 --> 0:33:08.640 why I don't think it's far gone. But I don't 0:33:08.640 --> 0:33:10.960 know we we might be a little bit far gone 0:33:11.120 --> 0:33:13.720 to turn it around, because I just don't see the 0:33:13.840 --> 0:33:18.959 younger generation and the older generation connected or to sit 0:33:19.040 --> 0:33:23.000 in a room long enough to agree that we're better unified. 0:33:23.160 --> 0:33:25.720 Meaning you know, you gotta respect these young niggas because 0:33:25.760 --> 0:33:29.080 they're ours. They have came from us, and and whatever's 0:33:29.120 --> 0:33:31.720 trending now with all the social media and computer ship, 0:33:31.960 --> 0:33:33.760 they're a part of that. They're the champions of that. 0:33:34.160 --> 0:33:38.560 But we come from the motherfucking mud where it all started, 0:33:38.600 --> 0:33:42.080 where it all ends, in everything that they will go through. 0:33:42.240 --> 0:33:44.840 If they go through it, we will already know what 0:33:45.160 --> 0:33:48.400 it's gonna take. If they could just understand that alone, 0:33:48.960 --> 0:33:52.360 we would have a chance. But when you look at time, 0:33:52.720 --> 0:33:55.080 you don't see no leadership. Look at how our shopt 0:33:55.320 --> 0:33:59.120 was man. The minister is my god, I love Mr Faraka, 0:33:59.200 --> 0:34:01.440 but even the minister is. You don't hear the minister 0:34:01.600 --> 0:34:04.480 as much. So it's like it's like, where is the 0:34:04.600 --> 0:34:07.960 leadership coming from? Where is the word coming from? So 0:34:08.200 --> 0:34:10.160 that these sort of it will click in these nigga's heads, 0:34:10.160 --> 0:34:12.279 because if it don't click in their heads, to the 0:34:12.360 --> 0:34:14.719 generation snap to them, which is called generation OUTA. What 0:34:14.840 --> 0:34:18.320 I said, we we we've totally lost it because you know, 0:34:18.560 --> 0:34:21.120 I got kids and I got twenty you know, I 0:34:21.200 --> 0:34:23.200 got a twenty two year old daughters I gotta I 0:34:23.280 --> 0:34:25.520 got a seventy year selling I got three babies mothers, 0:34:25.880 --> 0:34:28.479 and you know I don't I didn't live with my kids. 0:34:28.760 --> 0:34:31.239 Of course I provided form. Of course I flew them 0:34:31.239 --> 0:34:34.000 to me. But it's different from having your kids growing 0:34:34.080 --> 0:34:36.200 up in the household with you. And this is how 0:34:36.280 --> 0:34:39.719 we all raised our kids, and that's and that's dysfunctional 0:34:40.000 --> 0:34:43.040 within itself. But we do the best we can. The 0:34:43.160 --> 0:34:46.360 problem is, you know, as being the street nigga, we 0:34:46.400 --> 0:34:48.520 either we the weither. We the scum of the earth 0:34:48.680 --> 0:34:50.799 that these motherfucker's want to get rid of. And we're 0:34:50.840 --> 0:34:53.520 the real kings. We're the real ones out there that 0:34:53.640 --> 0:34:55.480 then did all this ship. You know what I'm saying 0:34:55.480 --> 0:34:58.200 that way, and and niggas and starves and struggling and 0:34:58.320 --> 0:35:01.080 motherfucker's don't give a fun You you got a lot 0:35:01.160 --> 0:35:06.080 of brothers that came from the mud and and that's successful. 0:35:06.160 --> 0:35:09.279 Now you what what is gonna take is gonna take 0:35:09.320 --> 0:35:13.520 the older heads to get together. So I don't believe 0:35:13.560 --> 0:35:16.440 the older heads can't sit at the table because the 0:35:16.520 --> 0:35:19.279 more the older you get, the more mature you get. 0:35:19.800 --> 0:35:22.400 I don't think it'll be a problem for the older guys, 0:35:22.480 --> 0:35:25.840 the older black men of our days, of our society, 0:35:25.960 --> 0:35:28.080 to say, come on, man, we need to get together. 0:35:28.360 --> 0:35:31.560 We need to put some ship together and reach these youngsters. 0:35:32.000 --> 0:35:35.680 If that's going from one neighborhood to the next to 0:35:35.800 --> 0:35:39.560 the next. We can't call ourselves kings. We can't call 0:35:39.640 --> 0:35:42.680 ourselves the alpha. If if we ain't giving the fun. 0:35:43.440 --> 0:35:47.960 I truly believe fertons say I'm talking on deaf ears. 0:35:48.080 --> 0:35:51.800 These these dudes ain't listening. I'm not gonna put myself 0:35:51.880 --> 0:35:55.399 out there and these cats ain't getting If they ain't 0:35:55.480 --> 0:35:58.319 getting it, let me focus on mind and what I'm 0:35:58.360 --> 0:36:00.960 doing it and and and all love this get like that. 0:36:01.640 --> 0:36:06.160 So now that we've seen this young brother get, you know, 0:36:06.760 --> 0:36:10.520 die in the streets, now it's time to say, okay, 0:36:10.840 --> 0:36:14.160 we had enough this. Its it's time to change, you know. 0:36:14.640 --> 0:36:16.520 And then and and and you don't have to be 0:36:16.640 --> 0:36:18.840 a rich mothers sucking to get this. You don't have 0:36:18.960 --> 0:36:22.040 to be a mother sucking the suit to get it. 0:36:22.400 --> 0:36:26.200 Having these cats they say they don't understand, but come on, man, 0:36:26.400 --> 0:36:29.680 everybody even came from somewhere, all of us. We don't 0:36:29.760 --> 0:36:33.760 came from somewhere. Now we now we had a different 0:36:33.920 --> 0:36:36.839 peak in our life. Now we gotta figure out how 0:36:36.920 --> 0:36:40.279 to really fucking reach these little cats through through through 0:36:41.120 --> 0:36:46.160 this podcast, ship, through through movies, through shows, through through whatever, 0:36:46.360 --> 0:36:49.680 through the music and and and stop the dumb ship. 0:36:50.000 --> 0:36:53.320 Look at the rappers up today. The rappers up today 0:36:53.440 --> 0:36:56.560 ain't telling me ship, I don't that I don't know already, 0:36:57.000 --> 0:36:59.279 So they gotta get off of that. Everybody gotta be 0:36:59.400 --> 0:37:03.960 against because every rapper is not against it. So it's 0:37:04.000 --> 0:37:06.480 just it's up to us to change some of the 0:37:06.520 --> 0:37:09.200 ship that's going on out there. Man, I really believe that. 0:37:10.600 --> 0:37:18.360 Mm hmm. Yeah, And like I'm sorry you And like 0:37:18.560 --> 0:37:22.640 we said, with the generations, uh, we kind of banked 0:37:22.680 --> 0:37:29.000 on the Sorority Brothers to lead the youth, you know, 0:37:29.239 --> 0:37:34.560 so it wasn't like we was mixing the streets with 0:37:34.760 --> 0:37:37.120 the with the virgin minds, you know what I'm saying, 0:37:37.239 --> 0:37:41.239 the virgin minds. We looked at the Sorority Brothers to 0:37:41.440 --> 0:37:44.359 cut them up and lead and give them the right 0:37:44.440 --> 0:37:49.600 way while we were stuck with uh, the game banging 0:37:49.680 --> 0:37:53.400 and the drugs that we would suffering from. You know. 0:37:53.560 --> 0:37:55.600 It kind of we kind of thought and then like 0:37:55.760 --> 0:37:58.879 you say, church and religious groups, we thought that could 0:37:58.920 --> 0:38:02.600 saved us to the younger generation. But like you say, 0:38:03.160 --> 0:38:06.800 every generation it's a it's a lost trade. Every generation 0:38:06.880 --> 0:38:10.160 it becomes a lost tray. So it's like for us, 0:38:10.280 --> 0:38:12.279 all our kids is in the loop. They're in a 0:38:12.360 --> 0:38:16.080 loop of something. You know, Hopefully we can out of mine. 0:38:16.719 --> 0:38:19.120 Out of my nine I was able to give one 0:38:19.239 --> 0:38:22.839 college graduate so far, you know. So I'm happy. I'm 0:38:22.880 --> 0:38:26.000 packing myself on the back, I'm running, jumping, doing flips, 0:38:26.120 --> 0:38:29.200 you know what I'm saying, because I'm the same kid, 0:38:30.239 --> 0:38:32.520 you know, because I'm the same kid that was told 0:38:32.560 --> 0:38:34.799 it wasn't gonna make it to see eleven years old. 0:38:35.400 --> 0:38:38.279 So I carried a chip on my shoulder all the 0:38:38.360 --> 0:38:42.080 way up until today because I proved everybody wrong, you know, 0:38:42.280 --> 0:38:45.720 So it made me feel I made it past eleven 0:38:45.840 --> 0:38:48.600 years old. I was gifted from that point. That's how 0:38:48.600 --> 0:38:50.880 I looked at it. And then when I hit twenty 0:38:50.960 --> 0:38:53.600 one years old. You know, once I hit twenty one 0:38:53.719 --> 0:38:56.000 years old, I really felt like I had to rabbit 0:38:56.040 --> 0:38:58.560 foot in my pocket. You know what I'm saying, living 0:38:58.600 --> 0:39:01.719 the life that we was living. You know, because they 0:39:01.840 --> 0:39:04.479 we come out the wound with the X on our back, 0:39:04.600 --> 0:39:06.600 and we was all taught that you come out the 0:39:06.640 --> 0:39:08.400 wound with an X on your back when you got 0:39:08.520 --> 0:39:14.080 our skin, skin complexion. So like you say, the minister 0:39:14.239 --> 0:39:17.240 them knocking at ninety years old, that that man almost 0:39:17.320 --> 0:39:19.800 a decade. You know what I'm saying, He almost a century, 0:39:20.560 --> 0:39:23.080 you know what I'm saying. So it's like just like 0:39:23.200 --> 0:39:25.759 when Obama got out of office, I would have felt 0:39:25.800 --> 0:39:28.160 like it should have been a thousand more brothers or 0:39:28.400 --> 0:39:31.359 sisters that could have been candidates, you see what I'm saying, 0:39:32.280 --> 0:39:36.320 And to come to find out it was none. We 0:39:36.480 --> 0:39:39.840 had the one doctor. We had the one doctor. Dude, 0:39:40.239 --> 0:39:42.960 he didn't you know whatever with that. He dropped out 0:39:43.000 --> 0:39:47.160 in the first week or so. Um, and that was it. 0:39:47.760 --> 0:39:50.279 Like it's it's like it was like long as they 0:39:50.360 --> 0:39:54.440 gave us that one melonated brother number forty four, so 0:39:54.680 --> 0:39:57.759 out of or so out of forty three presidents, we 0:39:58.000 --> 0:40:00.560 it was it was forty three to one. So it's 0:40:00.640 --> 0:40:02.959 like a race. It's like a horse race or something 0:40:03.120 --> 0:40:06.879 dog race, forty three to one the odds. So now 0:40:07.480 --> 0:40:11.319 says then we couldn't even carry that for for ten 0:40:11.440 --> 0:40:13.960 years or twenty years or thirty years to have some 0:40:14.080 --> 0:40:18.200 melanete people in office is in the presidential office. So 0:40:18.360 --> 0:40:21.719 it's it's back to the same tricks again. Yeah, man, 0:40:21.760 --> 0:40:24.360 Well what I think, Man, it's like, um, with the 0:40:24.480 --> 0:40:29.040 young everything nick y'all did everything that we did back 0:40:29.120 --> 0:40:32.920 in our back in our day's sexy to them, but 0:40:33.440 --> 0:40:35.040 they don't put through. They don't want to put the 0:40:35.080 --> 0:40:37.359 other part. Days want the one element and to see 0:40:37.400 --> 0:40:40.880 that's how you get a kid like right, everything about 0:40:40.920 --> 0:40:43.120 the game banging thing was sexy to him, and then 0:40:43.160 --> 0:40:45.640 he found out that it was real. He found out 0:40:45.719 --> 0:40:48.600 it was real. You saw what happened, You saw the 0:40:48.680 --> 0:40:51.360 aftermath for that, and see for the thing. It was 0:40:51.440 --> 0:40:54.600 fa in our generation, in our day, I wouldn't never 0:40:54.719 --> 0:40:57.919 no game banging nothing. But in our day you didn't 0:40:57.920 --> 0:41:03.040 condone no form of cooperation. M you don't. So now 0:41:03.160 --> 0:41:06.120 you've got people embracing this dude, and that makes it harder. 0:41:06.520 --> 0:41:10.960 That almost makes us like we're crazy, exactly like we're 0:41:11.000 --> 0:41:17.279 crazy embracing what dude Takassi? Right nine just that six 0:41:17.400 --> 0:41:20.359 nine boy, Well you know what I listened. I look 0:41:20.440 --> 0:41:24.239 with a video of this young dude and and and 0:41:24.480 --> 0:41:26.759 this is this is my whole thing. You know, this 0:41:26.920 --> 0:41:29.560 little cat he really think he was trying to He 0:41:29.680 --> 0:41:32.520 really think he's proving the point. His point is that, 0:41:33.640 --> 0:41:37.360 uh mc mills, he funk with this Floyd, this this 0:41:37.680 --> 0:41:42.480 CEO chick that funk with jay Z. And and because 0:41:42.560 --> 0:41:47.080 what she did, mc mills gotta be guilty of it too, snoop. 0:41:47.680 --> 0:41:50.640 And and I tell everybody, you gotta pay attention, see 0:41:50.640 --> 0:41:54.480 you having these niggers used six too loosely and they 0:41:54.520 --> 0:41:57.720 don't even know what Then they're talking about Snoop smoke 0:41:57.800 --> 0:42:01.000 on something he shouldn't have staid, true enough, even if 0:42:01.040 --> 0:42:04.799 he said it, however he setting. But us being black, 0:42:04.880 --> 0:42:06.960 we take the word of the police before we take 0:42:07.000 --> 0:42:10.759 the word of of of our own people. So they 0:42:10.840 --> 0:42:16.200 got this paper saying Snoop said should killed Tupac number one. 0:42:16.719 --> 0:42:19.799 Should didn't get arrested for it. Even if Snoop being 0:42:19.920 --> 0:42:23.960 with this shill didn't get arrested. Snooping never went on 0:42:24.040 --> 0:42:27.319 on motherfucking chair and sat down and said that's him. 0:42:29.080 --> 0:42:31.880 Where Snoop you can't call him, you can't call him 0:42:31.920 --> 0:42:36.120 a motherfucking right. It's totally different, little boy. You said 0:42:36.160 --> 0:42:39.399 here and you pointed out guys that got a hunting 0:42:39.480 --> 0:42:44.640 in seven years maybe altogether, and and it's totally different. 0:42:44.680 --> 0:42:47.640 But people biting into this little dude ship as if 0:42:47.680 --> 0:42:50.080 he ain't did nothing wrong, you know what I'm saying, 0:42:50.320 --> 0:42:54.400 And he get any I mean, and people take this 0:42:55.040 --> 0:42:58.919 bullshit because two of them guys got life, got lights, 0:43:00.040 --> 0:43:02.880 knows you, But that shows you how fun this connected. 0:43:03.520 --> 0:43:07.000 We are with this social media thing and this new generation, 0:43:07.160 --> 0:43:10.640 meaning this new generation really feels like it ain't shipped 0:43:10.640 --> 0:43:12.920 to snitch. And you know, I mean I had to 0:43:13.000 --> 0:43:14.759 learn that from my father when I was about eleven 0:43:14.840 --> 0:43:16.880 years old, and that ship was just the regular thing 0:43:16.960 --> 0:43:19.560 to me, Like it wasn't even a major thing to 0:43:19.600 --> 0:43:21.239 be like, Oh I don't funk with snitches. That just 0:43:21.360 --> 0:43:26.120 was a regular thing, like like and like eating, taking 0:43:26.160 --> 0:43:28.920 a ship whatever, that's just you don't funk with him. Nigga, 0:43:29.120 --> 0:43:32.600 niggah in a whole bunch of other ship. This nigga 0:43:33.040 --> 0:43:36.439 is changing. This nigga right here is changing the whole 0:43:36.719 --> 0:43:41.200 He's changing the whole dynamic because this this new generation 0:43:41.280 --> 0:43:43.680 that we're talking about, and this Internet is so strong 0:43:43.920 --> 0:43:46.440 that he could control the narrative that they could put 0:43:46.560 --> 0:43:49.239 a lot of money into him and these blogs and 0:43:49.320 --> 0:43:52.920 these streams to push the narrative and see this new 0:43:53.000 --> 0:43:56.080 generation they wasn't raised in these streets, so they don't 0:43:56.120 --> 0:43:59.040 know any about no code or nothing so automatic, and 0:43:59.120 --> 0:44:02.200 they in their minds, he's a fucking hero because he 0:44:02.280 --> 0:44:05.040 got a gang of money. He's not in jail, and 0:44:05.520 --> 0:44:08.880 and they're actually turning the tides of that how I 0:44:09.000 --> 0:44:11.680 grew up like I would never snitch or I wouldn't 0:44:11.680 --> 0:44:14.560 funk with no snitch. Tough this generation being like, you 0:44:14.640 --> 0:44:16.920 know what if it's it was the same my ass. 0:44:17.000 --> 0:44:19.800 I'm gonna snitch and it's all right. That's what's going on. 0:44:21.080 --> 0:44:24.439 As long as you got money is good. Uh, people 0:44:24.520 --> 0:44:27.600 gonna follow me because I got money. I mean that 0:44:27.680 --> 0:44:31.399 don't make it right. I mean as at some point 0:44:31.840 --> 0:44:35.120 everybody that listened to the dude, You got people like ay, 0:44:35.160 --> 0:44:38.200 come fucking with him. You got people like what's your name? 0:44:39.239 --> 0:44:43.040 What's the chick name that he knew with? Yeah, NICKI mnah, 0:44:43.160 --> 0:44:46.400 she got issues in her home motherfucking family with her brothers. 0:44:46.440 --> 0:44:49.800 Show you're pretty much if you can, if you convict 0:44:50.200 --> 0:44:54.839 uh Mick Mills, you can. You gotta convict uh nick 0:44:55.400 --> 0:44:58.920 nas because your family aunts were sucked up ship. But 0:44:59.040 --> 0:45:02.839 that ain't that ain't point. My My point is, at 0:45:02.920 --> 0:45:06.040 what point do you stop this cat from getting out 0:45:06.120 --> 0:45:10.960 there like that? And and and you got major names 0:45:11.080 --> 0:45:14.000 like A count them fucking with him. That that means 0:45:14.040 --> 0:45:18.120 you're supporting me. That means you're supporting his movement, you're 0:45:18.160 --> 0:45:21.759 supporting the bs that this little cat is putting out there. 0:45:22.360 --> 0:45:24.279 You know what I'm saying, is he gonna be able 0:45:24.320 --> 0:45:27.080 to come to the to the bt wards and and 0:45:27.200 --> 0:45:30.480 everybody stand up and give him a standing over, and 0:45:30.560 --> 0:45:33.239 all these cats sit out, didn't shake his hand, like, 0:45:33.400 --> 0:45:37.759 what's up, my nigga, you're good. I don't see it. 0:45:37.960 --> 0:45:41.759 I don't see it. And something sunked up. Yeah, you know, 0:45:41.920 --> 0:45:44.160 he gotta just see what we're doing to each other. Man. 0:45:45.600 --> 0:45:48.959 He the prime example with throwing rocks and hat your hand. 0:45:49.280 --> 0:45:50.759 You know what I'm saying, That's how I look. But 0:45:50.840 --> 0:45:53.799 you would understand he got some powerful people behind them too. 0:45:54.440 --> 0:45:56.400 You understand I'm saying he got some you know, he 0:45:56.520 --> 0:45:59.120 got some folks working with him. And again they're going 0:45:59.239 --> 0:46:03.879 hard on the computers. It's just about keeping it's about once. 0:46:04.200 --> 0:46:07.160 It's like again the new generation and a lot of 0:46:07.239 --> 0:46:09.319 our generation is on our phones and and and all 0:46:09.360 --> 0:46:12.640 these computers. If you control the narrative on that, then 0:46:12.719 --> 0:46:15.839 you control the perception. And at the end of the day, 0:46:16.360 --> 0:46:19.280 that him and he got a lot of people behind 0:46:19.440 --> 0:46:21.960 him and a lot of money going hard with this 0:46:22.480 --> 0:46:25.960 social media campaign to get this message across. And I 0:46:26.040 --> 0:46:28.880 hate to say, these women Nikki has almost a hundred 0:46:28.920 --> 0:46:33.560 million fallers on on on Instagram, So automatically, do you 0:46:33.680 --> 0:46:38.920 understand like a hundred million motherfucker's we're talking about? You 0:46:39.000 --> 0:46:43.479 know what I'm saying. So if you get of that saying, 0:46:43.520 --> 0:46:45.680 you know what, he's all right, that's twenty million people 0:46:46.000 --> 0:46:48.839 like the numbers of mind boggling, and we just all 0:46:48.960 --> 0:46:52.279 we gotta we we always gotta remember that. And you know, 0:46:52.440 --> 0:46:54.160 ship we could talk to me blew on our face 0:46:54.239 --> 0:46:58.440 about how wrong it is, but it's still doesn't like 0:46:58.960 --> 0:47:01.440 all we could do, like you said, it's do our 0:47:01.560 --> 0:47:04.120 podcast to bring the real niggas because it's a bunch 0:47:04.200 --> 0:47:06.480 left and there's a bunch of real chicks left who 0:47:06.560 --> 0:47:10.160 agree with us. Once we can mobilize them in one space, 0:47:10.680 --> 0:47:13.719 then maybe something can happen from that. Because I see 0:47:13.760 --> 0:47:16.200 that there's a lot of different podcasts, a lot of 0:47:16.239 --> 0:47:19.640 different they really haven't done that yet. There's a demographic 0:47:19.880 --> 0:47:22.440 of people who think just like us, because there's a 0:47:22.520 --> 0:47:25.680 demographic of forty to fifty old people who don't grew 0:47:25.760 --> 0:47:28.440 up in the mud, who's out here, who's not jail, 0:47:28.719 --> 0:47:31.279 who's still out here, who grew up like that, So 0:47:32.080 --> 0:47:36.359 they haven't been mobilized. You just it's how you talking 0:47:36.480 --> 0:47:40.160 to him and not talking at them. And I think 0:47:40.239 --> 0:47:42.520 we can reach out to a whole bunch of them, 0:47:42.880 --> 0:47:46.120 you know what I'm saying. And and like me, I'm 0:47:46.160 --> 0:47:49.120 not I don't talk and I'm not using no big 0:47:49.200 --> 0:47:53.360 gass words. I'm talking straight from the streets. So you 0:47:54.320 --> 0:47:57.640 so you can't understand me having these cats use these 0:47:57.680 --> 0:48:00.960 big words. These youngests don't under standing that ship. What 0:48:01.080 --> 0:48:03.680 the fun they're talking about? We gotta give it to 0:48:03.800 --> 0:48:06.080 them just how we live it. And and and that's 0:48:06.120 --> 0:48:10.719 where I'm coming from. So we have to, uh, we 0:48:10.880 --> 0:48:15.439 really have to get on point man. And and I'm 0:48:15.480 --> 0:48:18.120 just gonna say whatever I can do, I'm gonna do 0:48:18.239 --> 0:48:22.799 it at at at one hunting. So there it is there. 0:48:23.000 --> 0:48:25.000 I mean, we just got to get better at where 0:48:25.080 --> 0:48:28.719 we at and and and getting these people to understand man, 0:48:29.120 --> 0:48:32.200 happy to shoot you see just because you're on TV 0:48:32.400 --> 0:48:35.160 or whatever, don't make you no different move you know 0:48:35.200 --> 0:48:37.239 what I'm saying. That's why I'm watched half that ship. 0:48:37.600 --> 0:48:40.239 I'm seeing them when you're going back to loving here 0:48:40.239 --> 0:48:45.200 about man should fun loving? That's it for me. I've 0:48:45.280 --> 0:48:50.120 been on that's about Yeah, I've been down with that ship. Man, 0:48:52.640 --> 0:48:55.239 it ain't the same no more. I mean it's free money. 0:48:55.400 --> 0:48:59.440 I mean no, you're not in your hand your hand 0:48:59.520 --> 0:49:02.279 with one. It was good, it was good, you know, 0:49:02.320 --> 0:49:04.839 a couple of seasons. But you know what I'm saying, 0:49:04.920 --> 0:49:08.320 pretty much like after that, it just wasn't you know. No, 0:49:08.640 --> 0:49:11.319 I really didn't cast for it. I was just giving 0:49:11.360 --> 0:49:14.000 Stevie a ride to the set and ended up on it. 0:49:14.440 --> 0:49:17.160 And like you said, the check started getting good, but 0:49:17.239 --> 0:49:20.200 then I started seeing, like you know, like the whole 0:49:20.239 --> 0:49:24.800 reality TV concept is, you know, you and chicks fighting 0:49:24.920 --> 0:49:28.120 and going at each other. So you know, I figured 0:49:28.200 --> 0:49:30.640 like it just wasn't going in the right direction. And 0:49:30.800 --> 0:49:33.600 rarely I think since since I left, and it ain't 0:49:33.640 --> 0:49:36.440 just because of me. I just think that, you know, 0:49:36.520 --> 0:49:38.640 I just brought that real nigger element to that ship, 0:49:38.760 --> 0:49:40.400 and you know what I'm saying, And I think the 0:49:40.520 --> 0:49:43.800 people that I think the storylines that they try to 0:49:43.880 --> 0:49:47.920 do now with two fours, they're not believable for sure, man. 0:49:48.000 --> 0:49:50.439 And there's the whole thing, man, the things I didn't 0:49:50.480 --> 0:49:52.080 like about it, because we were talking to one of 0:49:52.120 --> 0:49:55.560 the brothers from from there was on level hire Miami 0:49:55.680 --> 0:50:01.320 what's the cash name Bristol, I think I need to 0:50:01.360 --> 0:50:03.960 talk about. Yeah, we were talking to Bristol, and that's 0:50:03.960 --> 0:50:05.480 what he was saying. You know, he was just like 0:50:05.680 --> 0:50:08.320 man me and James was telling him to day to 0:50:08.400 --> 0:50:10.520 make our people who like climbs sometimes to the way 0:50:10.560 --> 0:50:15.520 they ended ship and the way the conversation man crazy. 0:50:15.600 --> 0:50:20.560 You know what I mean. They that's them dictating the narrative. 0:50:20.600 --> 0:50:22.560 You know what I'm saying. They want to dictate. They 0:50:22.640 --> 0:50:25.880 feel like the clickbait. You know, it gets more views 0:50:26.040 --> 0:50:29.000 for the fighting. You know, America was built on violence. 0:50:29.120 --> 0:50:31.480 So anything that got something to do with the fighting, 0:50:32.200 --> 0:50:36.239 disrespectful cursing, it always get the most clicks and views. 0:50:36.640 --> 0:50:38.719 You know what I'm saying. When you go to when 0:50:38.760 --> 0:50:41.719 you go to positive route, like right now, you see 0:50:42.280 --> 0:50:45.759 you see Gucci Man just dis Atlantic Records. He did 0:50:45.920 --> 0:50:50.840 Gucci the clothing line, Um Sidegon this, you know, Atlantic Records, 0:50:50.880 --> 0:50:55.480 Loupe Fiasco, Alley Boy, Walker, Flocker, So all of them 0:50:55.760 --> 0:51:00.279 is going in on these major labels. It's about time, 0:51:01.080 --> 0:51:04.480 you know, it writes basically seeing that it's a plantation, 0:51:05.160 --> 0:51:07.320 you know, just the same way, the same way with 0:51:07.440 --> 0:51:12.800 these uh these NFL and basketball teams. Michael Jordan shouldn't 0:51:12.800 --> 0:51:15.759 have never had an issue with getting ownership of a team, man. 0:51:17.040 --> 0:51:18.960 You know, but they keep they feet on, they keep 0:51:19.000 --> 0:51:21.600 our feet, they feed on our neck. So right now 0:51:22.239 --> 0:51:26.239 we really have to smash doing these protest times for 0:51:26.520 --> 0:51:29.520 for equality around here, Like we can't. We can't let 0:51:29.640 --> 0:51:31.520 up on them right now. No, no, we gotta. We 0:51:31.600 --> 0:51:35.640 gotta definitely, man keep our next. So we got to. 0:51:36.239 --> 0:51:38.680 We got to. And that's why these conversations, man, it's 0:51:38.719 --> 0:51:41.320 so important, man, Like they're really important. And that's like 0:51:41.880 --> 0:51:44.880 James knows, you know, Joe, Joe and I know Ray No, 0:51:45.400 --> 0:51:47.200 you know what I'm saying, because it's like this, if 0:51:47.239 --> 0:51:49.399 you don't know your past, how the funk you don't 0:51:49.440 --> 0:51:53.600 know where you're here? Man, Listen, listen like to me, 0:51:53.840 --> 0:51:55.560 you know what I mean? Like really, you know, I'm 0:51:55.600 --> 0:51:57.960 just the nigga from the hood, just like y'all. You 0:51:58.000 --> 0:51:59.719 know what I'm saying. They went through the same ship 0:52:00.239 --> 0:52:02.920 and and and with me. It's just you know, Source Magazine. 0:52:02.920 --> 0:52:05.320 I didn't know I was gonna meet Dave Maids the 0:52:06.120 --> 0:52:09.160 reality TV. I didn't know, uh that I'd be driving 0:52:09.200 --> 0:52:11.080 Stevie the sett and I'd be like, man, this should 0:52:11.080 --> 0:52:13.839 be planned. I'm just the hustling niggers. So I see 0:52:13.840 --> 0:52:16.480 an opportunity and I go for it. But I've never 0:52:17.080 --> 0:52:20.719 compromised who I was. You know what I'm saying, get 0:52:20.840 --> 0:52:23.279 all this ship because you know, a lot of that ship, 0:52:23.360 --> 0:52:25.040 you know what I'm saying. You know, you you know 0:52:25.200 --> 0:52:28.520 it's rammed by people that have no interest in our 0:52:28.600 --> 0:52:31.400 culture and then our best interests, you know that. And 0:52:31.480 --> 0:52:34.239 that goes the same thing for the music industry. You know. 0:52:34.480 --> 0:52:37.200 But but since the beginning of time, we have to 0:52:37.280 --> 0:52:40.279 take that just to get a check, you know, we 0:52:40.360 --> 0:52:42.839 have to take that. Damn. We know, this motherfucker ain't ship. 0:52:43.200 --> 0:52:45.360 He's a piece of ship, and he's and and ultimately 0:52:45.400 --> 0:52:48.439 I'm really getting fun. But you know what I'm saying. 0:52:48.520 --> 0:52:51.279 So that's been there from day one, you know what 0:52:51.320 --> 0:52:53.880 I'm saying, you know, and I mean honestly, like the 0:52:54.040 --> 0:52:56.880 change now. You know, I think the differences You've got 0:52:57.000 --> 0:52:59.680 a lot of white people on the front lines now 0:52:59.760 --> 0:53:02.439 be because of that. That's the difference, and that's what's 0:53:02.480 --> 0:53:06.640 changing a lot of this ship. So yeah, that's that 0:53:06.840 --> 0:53:10.719 generation of that's the mixed breed generation. You know, where 0:53:11.120 --> 0:53:14.160 where every when the UH integration is kicked in. When 0:53:14.200 --> 0:53:17.520 the integration kicked in, you gotta look at it. You like, 0:53:17.719 --> 0:53:22.239 people can't afford to be racist right now. It's a mula. 0:53:22.520 --> 0:53:25.160 It's a mulatto generation. You know what I'm saying. It's 0:53:25.200 --> 0:53:29.880 a whole mulatto generation. You know what I'm saying. So everybody, 0:53:30.160 --> 0:53:33.600 you know, you can't. You can't right now. Mama got 0:53:33.719 --> 0:53:37.440 five kids. One might be bad guy with Puerto Rican descent, 0:53:37.680 --> 0:53:41.920 one might be Caucasian descent, a massagan too, and to 0:53:42.760 --> 0:53:46.480 nominated brother. You see what I'm saying. So it's like, 0:53:47.600 --> 0:53:50.480 it's like what you gonta do. You're gonna say you 0:53:50.600 --> 0:53:54.840 hate your brother or you I can't do that. You 0:53:54.920 --> 0:53:59.239 think about it. I got a brother hand and that 0:53:59.360 --> 0:54:03.920 thing I've loved. Example, he loved me. And if somebody 0:54:04.040 --> 0:54:09.440 called me and nigga in front of him. My partner, hey, hey, 0:54:09.520 --> 0:54:12.680 my partner for for for twenty five years, sou was 0:54:12.960 --> 0:54:14.840 was was It was a white Jewish guy. You know, 0:54:15.200 --> 0:54:17.839 I grew up in Boston where you know, my father 0:54:17.960 --> 0:54:20.600 ran with a bunch of Italians and Irish guys, gangsters 0:54:20.719 --> 0:54:23.799 my field. So you know, on the crime mixed fact 0:54:23.960 --> 0:54:27.400 aspected in the streets, you don't see race because niggas 0:54:27.440 --> 0:54:31.160 is getting money. So but at the same time, busting 0:54:31.320 --> 0:54:34.960 was going on in seventy four and kids were getting 0:54:35.000 --> 0:54:38.360 bussed just two different schools twenty minutes away, and and 0:54:38.680 --> 0:54:42.560 Crackers was rioting, you know what I'm saying, turning, marching 0:54:42.600 --> 0:54:45.400 and all that in Boston. So you know, with me 0:54:45.840 --> 0:54:48.440 when it comes to white folks, you know, I'm on 0:54:48.560 --> 0:54:51.759 both fends. Like I I funk with all people, but 0:54:51.880 --> 0:54:53.719 I don't funk with a racist white folks. And I 0:54:53.840 --> 0:54:56.880 know who a racist white person is. Like That's easy 0:54:56.960 --> 0:54:59.920 for me growing up, Bro, It's easy for me to 0:55:00.000 --> 0:55:03.200 automatically tell if you if you racist, and you don't 0:55:03.200 --> 0:55:06.280 funk with niggas, so automatically I can draw a conclusion 0:55:06.360 --> 0:55:08.719 if I want to funk with you, Yeah, for sure. 0:55:08.760 --> 0:55:10.200 And that's what it comes down to, you know what 0:55:10.280 --> 0:55:13.520 I mean. Things got a mafia owned boy. He's here 0:55:13.560 --> 0:55:16.560 from Hollywood. Um you ever heard already stayed over before 0:55:16.640 --> 0:55:20.680 her no or sailor to Homie. Okay, I'm gonna do 0:55:20.760 --> 0:55:22.759 on the show before it. And he told me, he said, man, 0:55:22.920 --> 0:55:25.200 you do a lot of business. He told me, he said, man, 0:55:26.120 --> 0:55:29.120 the mom, the Italian mafia hand the fun with black people. 0:55:29.239 --> 0:55:30.960 He told me that his mouth, he said, we had 0:55:31.000 --> 0:55:33.160 to with black people. He said, how the funk you 0:55:33.200 --> 0:55:35.120 think we had? She going on the Harlem and the 0:55:35.200 --> 0:55:40.719 Bronx and all these different places, the same thing in Chicago. Yeah. Yeah, 0:55:40.840 --> 0:55:45.160 even though even though that it was for a negative connotation, 0:55:45.280 --> 0:55:48.320 you know about just for money, because just like with 0:55:48.480 --> 0:55:50.680 the Messagans, you know what I'm saying. They know they're 0:55:50.719 --> 0:55:54.480 sending the fatting, all the the coke over here from Colombia, 0:55:54.880 --> 0:55:58.160 you know, so the math, the math, So yeah, they're 0:55:58.160 --> 0:56:01.680 gonna shift everything over here. What they don't care what 0:56:01.840 --> 0:56:04.879 happened because it's like it's not considered like it's hitting 0:56:04.920 --> 0:56:07.359 a people, you know what I'm saying. So I keep 0:56:07.520 --> 0:56:10.880 I keep staying over and over man. When when separatism 0:56:11.200 --> 0:56:16.399 was introduced to humanity, we've been downhill every since. Once 0:56:16.520 --> 0:56:19.359 once we wasn't just not a little that as human, 0:56:19.560 --> 0:56:23.960 like a human society, and they started doing separatism and 0:56:24.120 --> 0:56:27.440 Jim Prow and all that, it's been it's been downhill 0:56:27.560 --> 0:56:30.640 that be since, right man. Salute to all y'all, you 0:56:30.640 --> 0:56:32.959 know what I mean, all y'all. The legends all y'all 0:56:33.000 --> 0:56:35.160 real street o chiefs. I got nothing but respect for 0:56:35.200 --> 0:56:37.640 all y'all. So you know what I'm saying, James, I've 0:56:37.640 --> 0:56:40.400 been checking out all your interviews. Man. For for a minute, 0:56:40.719 --> 0:56:42.440 I was going back to back to back. You know 0:56:42.440 --> 0:56:43.880 what I'm saying, So you know what I mean for 0:56:44.000 --> 0:56:47.320 real salute, So you know I'm acent with it. You 0:56:47.400 --> 0:56:49.440 know anything that I can contribute, any of my resource 0:56:49.600 --> 0:56:53.920 or whatever, I'm on board episode The Gangster Chronicles. Man, 0:56:54.040 --> 0:56:57.880 we really enjoyed it having y'all alone here. Joe Almighty 0:56:57.960 --> 0:57:00.760 shot my nigga Raby been seen him and my homeboy 0:57:00.920 --> 0:57:06.200 James McDonald, and we out of here. B