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Speaker 1: The Gangster Chronicles podcast presents the Foundation. Hosted by James McDonald, Joe,

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Speaker 1: Joe Capone, Ray Bezino, and Big Steel. The Foundation explores

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Speaker 1: the history of gangsterism in the urban community and this

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Speaker 1: impact on music and culture. We also discussed politics and

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Speaker 1: society at large. You can Kiss the Foundation every Tuesday

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Speaker 1: starting juneye on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your favorite platform

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Speaker 1: via the Digital Soapbox Network. And we got my boy

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Speaker 1: show Joe Capon house Load, I'm here, I'm here, and

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Speaker 1: Mr Ray Bazino We're ready right and through Chicago, Zino

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Speaker 1: chan toos down in Atlanta, y'all in the West. Yeah, man, Hey,

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Speaker 1: let me ask you all this fellers. Man, with all

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Speaker 1: this stuffing that's going on right now, Man, what's this

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Speaker 1: infatire like in Chicago right now? I mean, everybody minds

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Speaker 1: is all over the place, and uh, you know, based

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Speaker 1: fighting for humanity, man, you know what I'm saying, Uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, humanity and equality for the most part. How

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Speaker 1: I look at it is, I'm gonna be honest, between

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Speaker 1: the looting and the stimulus checks and the unemployment checks,

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Speaker 1: niggas is winning right now. Man, Listen, I know, I know,

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Speaker 1: and this. You know, I love Obama. You know what

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Speaker 1: I'm saying. I love Obama. I love how we calm

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Speaker 1: combination down, you know. But you know, niggas wasn't eating

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Speaker 1: like this, man. And it's crazy because you know, God

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Speaker 1: do things for reasons. But I think, man, God has

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Speaker 1: shining on street niggas right now for real, honestly, Oh

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Speaker 1: for sure, I understand agreed man, like um, like you know,

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Speaker 1: like James, you brought you attest to that man because

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Speaker 1: you know, James is one of the most few individuals online, man,

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Speaker 1: and he's at opportunity simmers way. Man, It's just like

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Speaker 1: you're right. I think God he's really shining man on

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Speaker 1: the street chances pure heart, He shine on the ros.

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Speaker 1: He shined them hard, got good intentions, you know what

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Speaker 1: I mean, right right, right hey? But is that free money?

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's this money. They gotta come back some

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Speaker 1: kind of way. They're gonna want that money back, like

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Speaker 1: on the rent and all that ship. They want their

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Speaker 1: money back. So I mean, it ain't like they're giving

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Speaker 1: us nothing, you know what I'm saying. You know, to me,

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Speaker 1: they owed us. The only thing about that is, like,

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Speaker 1: you know, niggas don't mind grabbing that flipped a couple

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Speaker 1: of times before we give it back, you know, because honestly,

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Speaker 1: with you know, with with when it comes to black people,

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Speaker 1: and especially and especially guys out in the street when

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Speaker 1: they when they suck up when they when they sucked

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Speaker 1: up black people. Since we the low man on the

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Speaker 1: top pole and not the whole economy out how to whack.

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Speaker 1: Once they give us money, they know we're gonna put

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Speaker 1: it back in the economy regardless. And there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of money that's gonna come back into the communy. Makers.

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Speaker 1: You got cants out there, man, and say, well, pay

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Speaker 1: their bills and whatnot right now while they are unemployed. Man.

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Speaker 1: You know the thing else me and Jame has been

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Speaker 1: on this ship lately, man, I know one thing that

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Speaker 1: we do need to have happened. Man, is we gotta

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Speaker 1: shoping knocking each other down? Oh yeah, for sure, that's

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Speaker 1: without a doubt, you know, because because all the peace

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Speaker 1: suck and all the rallies and stuff is cool. Man,

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Speaker 1: we're on the police say, man, but it's like, man,

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Speaker 1: you know, homicide that is happening. This is another brother

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Speaker 1: doing another brother, you know, right that genocide. Well, you

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Speaker 1: gotta look at it the way some of us been taught,

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Speaker 1: the way some of us think. Man, we believe that

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Speaker 1: this is the right way to do what we're doing.

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Speaker 1: You know how myself believed in and that was that

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Speaker 1: was what we were supposed to do. That was protecting

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Speaker 1: But I think the ship that got away from us,

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Speaker 1: I know that everybody see what the trunk doing. We

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Speaker 1: still at each other head. Everybody see what the police

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Speaker 1: is doing to us. These cats out of here knocking

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Speaker 1: each other down during the during the COVID nineteen. You're

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Speaker 1: knocking motherfucker's out. So so we gotta figure out a

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Speaker 1: the Source magazine. Yeah, yeah, I know. It's always a

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Speaker 1: um source awards right. How you know when that came

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Speaker 1: and I think that made a difference, but with within

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Speaker 1: saying that when She'll got up there and said what

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Speaker 1: with what he said, Oh yeah, for sure. The show.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, the youngsters up today have no

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Speaker 1: they're doing I mean, and I mean gangbanging, uh following

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Speaker 1: You know, man, my cause was lost. You know, gang

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Speaker 1: don't give a funk today. We don't care. That's real.

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Speaker 1: Show you and your here man like a respect men

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Speaker 1: for the O G S Man from the young kiss

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Speaker 1: in your neighborhood. Yeah, that's all over there, that's everywhere,

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Speaker 1: if you're under any influence, they're definitely not going show

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Speaker 1: them cats from the East Coast men? When you had

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Speaker 1: So my thing is, like, you know, if you didn't

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Speaker 1: deep right there. That was a crazy time though, man,

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Speaker 1: I didn't not I didn't do that, But I mean

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Speaker 1: it was crazy because you know, it introduced the neighborhood

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Speaker 1: and now the hood is looking, you know, people looking

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Speaker 1: you had niggas getting in their cars because they knew

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Speaker 1: and and was on some bs because Buffy was hanging

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Speaker 1: a lot of animalsity, it brung a lot of It

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Speaker 1: brung a lot of bullshit to to to both sides,

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Speaker 1: to both sides. I'm quite sure it affected everybody you

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Speaker 1: didn't not good come out of it? Yeah, I'm back.

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Speaker 1: I think it dropped them back. It was I'm good man. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: James is just reiterated before man. Yeah, yeah, And that's amazing.

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Speaker 1: and that's because I'm from here, right and I know

424
00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:21,040
Speaker 1: what it was like. But Colors didn't show me that

425
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:25,080
Speaker 1: this is some real gang banging ship. This is to me,

426
00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:29,960
Speaker 1: it's water down. It was watered down, and but being

427
00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:32,959
Speaker 1: from somewhere else, it just shows you, damn that's how

428
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:36,479
Speaker 1: they get down out there. Like niggas out here they

429
00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:38,760
Speaker 1: can say all them niggas is wheenies. Them niggas is

430
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:42,800
Speaker 1: wheny in Texas, man, it's killers everywhere. It's it's cats

431
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:47,280
Speaker 1: out there. That's that's more about it than than we are,

432
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:50,879
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So let's just say we

433
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:53,800
Speaker 1: took death Row and I was going to New York

434
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:57,320
Speaker 1: with shil and eight and it was so different to

435
00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:02,320
Speaker 1: me because I'm trying to identified cats through color. I

436
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:05,640
Speaker 1: didn't see no red and blue bandannas, I didn't see

437
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,120
Speaker 1: something like that. They was on some totally different ship,

438
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 1: So I couldn't identify that ship and and I just

439
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:14,320
Speaker 1: didn't know who the funk with, So I just kept

440
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:19,680
Speaker 1: one hunted and stayed to myself. So if if I

441
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:21,639
Speaker 1: had kept going to New York, I probably would have

442
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:24,360
Speaker 1: been working with him and then understanding that we don't

443
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:28,960
Speaker 1: understand each other's culture, so automatically we're gonna clash. I

444
00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:32,320
Speaker 1: don't know you, so I gotta come ready already. I

445
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:36,360
Speaker 1: gotta be prepared for certain things. If you're not, you're

446
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:39,320
Speaker 1: not coming home. You know what I'm saying. You're getting

447
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:43,760
Speaker 1: involved like this little young cat. You know, you bring

448
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:49,159
Speaker 1: people into your world. And and listen, people got a

449
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:52,960
Speaker 1: different agenda around this motherfucker. These young cats got a

450
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:57,159
Speaker 1: different agenda. These young cats is thinking about nothing but self.

451
00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:00,800
Speaker 1: It's totally different how it was in the mad seventies

452
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:04,920
Speaker 1: early eighties. It's totally different. Being a gang member is

453
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 1: being all about self. Now it's all about who got

454
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 1: the money, how we gonna make the money, and how

455
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:13,760
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get the money out of you. Supposed to

456
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,720
Speaker 1: being on the same grind. It ain't like that no

457
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 1: more should I'm asking y'all, how do we get it?

458
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:24,719
Speaker 1: How you get back at least some of that, at

459
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 1: least some of that, some of the respect, because you

460
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 1: ain't got no loyalty, You ain't got no respect. You know,

461
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:32,920
Speaker 1: you don't have nothing on the streets. And that's a

462
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 1: that's a bad uh formula right there. You don't you

463
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:40,159
Speaker 1: don't have nothing. So who do you treat? We know

464
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:43,600
Speaker 1: how we get jealousy and envy. That's part of the

465
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 1: seven Deadly sins, you know what I'm saying. So it's

466
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 1: like the person with the bank the person with the

467
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 1: bank roll basically determines the atmosphere or what's going on

468
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:57,359
Speaker 1: in the neighborhood. But if it's a guy that's in

469
00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 1: the neighborhood and he getting the bank roll from doing

470
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 1: credit card scams, then you know, the the guy that

471
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 1: was a robber, he's not gonna respect that dude. But

472
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 1: the dude that's staying fresh and got the cars and

473
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:14,400
Speaker 1: the jury and he doing credit card scams, he gonna

474
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 1: be more looked at from the neighborhood because he got

475
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 1: the money. He got everything that the robber don't have.

476
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:25,959
Speaker 1: So it's like once wants the credit card guy come up,

477
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:28,360
Speaker 1: once the scammer. I just say so, once the scammer

478
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 1: come to the neighborhood with with with open arms and

479
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 1: thinking he got open arms. But in reality, the robbers,

480
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 1: all the jack boys is sitting back laying on him.

481
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:43,359
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. All the jackboys is waiting

482
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:45,639
Speaker 1: to rob the scammel, you know what I'm saying, and

483
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:48,720
Speaker 1: they start alien nating him. So you know, for the

484
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,399
Speaker 1: most part, it's kind of like it's a gift and

485
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:53,480
Speaker 1: the courage. Bro, it's kind of hard, you know, like

486
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 1: for us, um, so you know, so so you know,

487
00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:00,960
Speaker 1: so the transitioning was different, like you say, for most James,

488
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 1: like uh l a were hit um when they started

489
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 1: coming towards me. Like for us, the g d S

490
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:11,360
Speaker 1: was in thirty five states, that's documented, right and um,

491
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 1: you know far as the case was going, we had

492
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 1: thirty five states, so uh and in high power. You know,

493
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:20,359
Speaker 1: we had guys, but they took us from a street

494
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 1: gang to an organized crime so they automatically threw us

495
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:27,880
Speaker 1: in the same boat is the Italian mafia. So that's

496
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:31,200
Speaker 1: what changed everything for us in the Gate and we

497
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 1: basically envy the um the wild wild west of the

498
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 1: We can do whatever whenever that l A had, you

499
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 1: see what I'm saying, because we all organized, but everybody

500
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 1: in l A and you know my Peru might didn't

501
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 1: get along with with the Swans. You see what I'm saying,

502
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 1: stuff like that and that and that didn't happen. That

503
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 1: couldn't happen for us. So it's like when t Rogers

504
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 1: was sent out there to bring the Black Peace Stones.

505
00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 1: You see, he went straight got in the jungles and

506
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 1: had so anybody from the Shy when we came out there,

507
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 1: they linked up with t Rogers in the jungle and

508
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,480
Speaker 1: they still felt as if they was on You see

509
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:12,240
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, um and for the and you know,

510
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 1: so for the and and other than that. You know,

511
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 1: if Big Youth, some of his cousins and them from

512
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 1: the hundreds or the suburbs came out there, they're being

513
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 1: the sixties, you see what I'm saying. And far As

514
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 1: Compton like with me, I'm being Compton, but I'd be

515
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 1: on the south side. You know, even the speed it

516
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 1: up to date, I was on the block when Um,

517
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 1: when Serena and Venus and their sister got killed, I

518
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 1: was standing out there, you know what I'm saying. Her

519
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 1: boyfriend hit the block. We thought it was a drive

520
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 1: back going on. So the the the shots went to

521
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 1: the costs, so it was it was an accident, you

522
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 1: see what I'm saying. So it was like, um, you know,

523
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 1: so I always had you know, been in and you

524
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 1: know throughout Inglewoods, South cent You, Compton, Um, you know,

525
00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 1: l A in general throughout my whole life. So for me,

526
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 1: like I gotta tell a person, I'm born in Chicago,

527
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 1: but I'm raised in New York, l A and Miami,

528
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 1: So I grew up in all the major cities, you

529
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 1: see what I'm saying, and then throughout like you say,

530
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 1: once the drugs got introduced to us in the early eighties,

531
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,240
Speaker 1: that put us on the road. So yeah, we're gonna

532
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 1: end up in Cleveland, throughout Ohio, in Boston because like

533
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:25,720
Speaker 1: Venzino can tell you, majority of Boston they direct descendants,

534
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 1: was coming from Detroit, you see what I'm saying. So

535
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 1: it's it's like, so you got so you got the

536
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 1: same influence from Midwest cities all over the world too.

537
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 1: You see what I'm saying. Just like even right now today,

538
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 1: majority of all our rappers that made it, they live

539
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 1: in l A. You know what I'm saying. Everybody, you

540
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, they live in l A. So

541
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:48,720
Speaker 1: it's it's so so it's always still been that same way,

542
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So, and like you said,

543
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 1: that's how we're gonna have family. We're gonna be related.

544
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 1: And that's what family unions was for. Even though some

545
00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 1: people don't have them as much, they don't have family

546
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 1: reunions as much, but that's what that was the point

547
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 1: and purpose of it. Because James just say, like if

548
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 1: mama had five six kids, each one of y'all got

549
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 1: five six kids, and that just keep trickling, trickling trickling,

550
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 1: you know. And for a lot of us, our grandparents,

551
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 1: like my grandmama, gut seventeen brothers and sisters. I don't

552
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 1: know all them people, man all for oh, for y'all. All,

553
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 1: For y'all, all three of y'all can be blood related

554
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 1: to me right now. And the only way I'm gonna

555
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 1: know is constantly staying in touch with y'all. You see

556
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I think it's my thing is But Joe,

557
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 1: you said it look like you said, there ain't no

558
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 1: more family reunions when you look at each of our generations,

559
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 1: you know, me and James fifty four, I'll be fifty

560
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 1: five in July. When I grew up, regardless of how

561
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:51,959
Speaker 1: how chaos it was, you still fell loved in the family.

562
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 1: You still felt family structure, You still kept in touch

563
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 1: with odd talkers. They were there as time went by

564
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 1: the good thing about living and being fifty five right

565
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 1: now is because you can actually look at the seventies, eighties,

566
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 1: nineties and two thousand's and really see the difference of

567
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 1: of ship and and and You're right, there ain't no

568
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 1: more family reunions. Actually, the the the whole families have

569
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 1: been fucking broke up and fucked up to where it's

570
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 1: like ship ship my nigga, Joe shin me and you

571
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 1: closer than and then and then the ship seven my family.

572
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 1: It's you know, you know, you know, you know, and

573
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 1: that's and and that's sad, but that's the reality of it,

574
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 1: you know, like you know, these crackers don't broke down

575
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 1: the structure of us and and and I know we

576
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 1: can't keep blaming them, you know, but we have to

577
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 1: know that that's that's where it came from, you know

578
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. But it's working. And part of this,

579
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:47,239
Speaker 1: like you know, they've given women everything to emasculate us

580
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 1: and and and you know, like they're gonna give them section,

581
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 1: they they're gonna give them child support, they're gonna give

582
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 1: them everything to basically funk us up, you know, because

583
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 1: the whole thing is to funk up the street. Nigga,

584
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 1: we're like the species better know that after us, it's

585
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 1: it's gonna be fucked up out here, you know what

586
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 1: I'm saying. There's just no ways around it. And that's

587
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 1: why I don't think it's far gone. But I don't

588
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:10,960
Speaker 1: know we we might be a little bit far gone

589
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 1: to turn it around, because I just don't see the

590
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:18,959
Speaker 1: younger generation and the older generation connected or to sit

591
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 1: in a room long enough to agree that we're better unified.

592
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:25,720
Speaker 1: Meaning you know, you gotta respect these young niggas because

593
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 1: they're ours. They have came from us, and and whatever's

594
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 1: trending now with all the social media and computer ship,

595
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 1: they're a part of that. They're the champions of that.

596
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 1: But we come from the motherfucking mud where it all started,

597
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 1: where it all ends, in everything that they will go through.

598
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 1: If they go through it, we will already know what

599
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 1: it's gonna take. If they could just understand that alone,

600
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 1: we would have a chance. But when you look at time,

601
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 1: you don't see no leadership. Look at how our shopt

602
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 1: was man. The minister is my god, I love Mr Faraka,

603
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 1: but even the minister is. You don't hear the minister

604
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:04,480
Speaker 1: as much. So it's like it's like, where is the

605
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 1: leadership coming from? Where is the word coming from? So

606
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 1: that these sort of it will click in these nigga's heads,

607
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:12,279
Speaker 1: because if it don't click in their heads, to the

608
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 1: generation snap to them, which is called generation OUTA. What

609
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:18,320
Speaker 1: I said, we we we've totally lost it because you know,

610
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 1: I got kids and I got twenty you know, I

611
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 1: got a twenty two year old daughters I gotta I

612
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 1: got a seventy year selling I got three babies mothers,

613
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,479
Speaker 1: and you know I don't I didn't live with my kids.

614
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:31,239
Speaker 1: Of course I provided form. Of course I flew them

615
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 1: to me. But it's different from having your kids growing

616
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 1: up in the household with you. And this is how

617
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 1: we all raised our kids, and that's and that's dysfunctional

618
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 1: within itself. But we do the best we can. The

619
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:46,360
Speaker 1: problem is, you know, as being the street nigga, we

620
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 1: either we the weither. We the scum of the earth

621
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:50,799
Speaker 1: that these motherfucker's want to get rid of. And we're

622
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 1: the real kings. We're the real ones out there that

623
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 1: then did all this ship. You know what I'm saying

624
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 1: that way, and and niggas and starves and struggling and

625
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 1: motherfucker's don't give a fun You you got a lot

626
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 1: of brothers that came from the mud and and that's successful.

627
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:09,279
Speaker 1: Now you what what is gonna take is gonna take

628
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 1: the older heads to get together. So I don't believe

629
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 1: the older heads can't sit at the table because the

630
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:19,279
Speaker 1: more the older you get, the more mature you get.

631
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,400
Speaker 1: I don't think it'll be a problem for the older guys,

632
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:25,840
Speaker 1: the older black men of our days, of our society,

633
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,080
Speaker 1: to say, come on, man, we need to get together.

634
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 1: We need to put some ship together and reach these youngsters.

635
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 1: If that's going from one neighborhood to the next to

636
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 1: the next. We can't call ourselves kings. We can't call

637
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 1: ourselves the alpha. If if we ain't giving the fun.

638
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 1: I truly believe fertons say I'm talking on deaf ears.

639
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:51,800
Speaker 1: These these dudes ain't listening. I'm not gonna put myself

640
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:55,399
Speaker 1: out there and these cats ain't getting If they ain't

641
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:58,319
Speaker 1: getting it, let me focus on mind and what I'm

642
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 1: doing it and and and all love this get like that.

643
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 1: So now that we've seen this young brother get, you know,

644
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 1: die in the streets, now it's time to say, okay,

645
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 1: we had enough this. Its it's time to change, you know.

646
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 1: And then and and and you don't have to be

647
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:18,840
Speaker 1: a rich mothers sucking to get this. You don't have

648
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 1: to be a mother sucking the suit to get it.

649
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 1: Having these cats they say they don't understand, but come on, man,

650
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 1: everybody even came from somewhere, all of us. We don't

651
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:33,760
Speaker 1: came from somewhere. Now we now we had a different

652
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:36,839
Speaker 1: peak in our life. Now we gotta figure out how

653
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:40,279
Speaker 1: to really fucking reach these little cats through through through

654
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 1: this podcast, ship, through through movies, through shows, through through whatever,

655
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 1: through the music and and and stop the dumb ship.

656
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:53,320
Speaker 1: Look at the rappers up today. The rappers up today

657
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 1: ain't telling me ship, I don't that I don't know already,

658
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 1: So they gotta get off of that. Everybody gotta be

659
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 1: against because every rapper is not against it. So it's

660
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 1: just it's up to us to change some of the

661
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 1: ship that's going on out there. Man, I really believe that.

662
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:18,360
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Yeah, And like I'm sorry you And like

663
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 1: we said, with the generations, uh, we kind of banked

664
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 1: on the Sorority Brothers to lead the youth, you know,

665
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 1: so it wasn't like we was mixing the streets with

666
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 1: the with the virgin minds, you know what I'm saying,

667
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 1: the virgin minds. We looked at the Sorority Brothers to

668
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:44,359
Speaker 1: cut them up and lead and give them the right

669
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 1: way while we were stuck with uh, the game banging

670
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:53,400
Speaker 1: and the drugs that we would suffering from. You know.

671
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 1: It kind of we kind of thought and then like

672
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,879
Speaker 1: you say, church and religious groups, we thought that could

673
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 1: saved us to the younger generation. But like you say,

674
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:06,800
Speaker 1: every generation it's a it's a lost trade. Every generation

675
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 1: it becomes a lost tray. So it's like for us,

676
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 1: all our kids is in the loop. They're in a

677
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 1: loop of something. You know, Hopefully we can out of mine.

678
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 1: Out of my nine I was able to give one

679
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:22,839
Speaker 1: college graduate so far, you know. So I'm happy. I'm

680
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 1: packing myself on the back, I'm running, jumping, doing flips,

681
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, because I'm the same kid,

682
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 1: you know, because I'm the same kid that was told

683
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:34,799
Speaker 1: it wasn't gonna make it to see eleven years old.

684
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:38,279
Speaker 1: So I carried a chip on my shoulder all the

685
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 1: way up until today because I proved everybody wrong, you know,

686
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:45,720
Speaker 1: So it made me feel I made it past eleven

687
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 1: years old. I was gifted from that point. That's how

688
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:50,880
Speaker 1: I looked at it. And then when I hit twenty

689
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 1: one years old. You know, once I hit twenty one

690
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 1: years old, I really felt like I had to rabbit

691
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 1: foot in my pocket. You know what I'm saying, living

692
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:01,719
Speaker 1: the life that we was living. You know, because they

693
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:04,479
Speaker 1: we come out the wound with the X on our back,

694
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 1: and we was all taught that you come out the

695
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:08,400
Speaker 1: wound with an X on your back when you got

696
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 1: our skin, skin complexion. So like you say, the minister

697
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:17,240
Speaker 1: them knocking at ninety years old, that that man almost

698
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:19,800
Speaker 1: a decade. You know what I'm saying, He almost a century,

699
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So it's like just like

700
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:25,759
Speaker 1: when Obama got out of office, I would have felt

701
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 1: like it should have been a thousand more brothers or

702
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:31,359
Speaker 1: sisters that could have been candidates, you see what I'm saying,

703
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:36,320
Speaker 1: And to come to find out it was none. We

704
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:39,840
Speaker 1: had the one doctor. We had the one doctor. Dude,

705
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 1: he didn't you know whatever with that. He dropped out

706
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 1: in the first week or so. Um, and that was it.

707
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:50,279
Speaker 1: Like it's it's like it was like long as they

708
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:54,440
Speaker 1: gave us that one melonated brother number forty four, so

709
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:57,759
Speaker 1: out of or so out of forty three presidents, we

710
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 1: it was it was forty three to one. So it's

711
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:02,959
Speaker 1: like a race. It's like a horse race or something

712
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:06,879
Speaker 1: dog race, forty three to one the odds. So now

713
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:11,319
Speaker 1: says then we couldn't even carry that for for ten

714
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 1: years or twenty years or thirty years to have some

715
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 1: melanete people in office is in the presidential office. So

716
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 1: it's it's back to the same tricks again. Yeah, man,

717
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:24,360
Speaker 1: Well what I think, Man, it's like, um, with the

718
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 1: young everything nick y'all did everything that we did back

719
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:32,920
Speaker 1: in our back in our day's sexy to them, but

720
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 1: they don't put through. They don't want to put the

721
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:37,359
Speaker 1: other part. Days want the one element and to see

722
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:40,880
Speaker 1: that's how you get a kid like right, everything about

723
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 1: the game banging thing was sexy to him, and then

724
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 1: he found out that it was real. He found out

725
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 1: it was real. You saw what happened, You saw the

726
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:51,360
Speaker 1: aftermath for that, and see for the thing. It was

727
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 1: fa in our generation, in our day, I wouldn't never

728
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:57,919
Speaker 1: no game banging nothing. But in our day you didn't

729
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 1: condone no form of cooperation. M you don't. So now

730
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 1: you've got people embracing this dude, and that makes it harder.

731
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 1: That almost makes us like we're crazy, exactly like we're

732
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:17,279
Speaker 1: crazy embracing what dude Takassi? Right nine just that six

733
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:20,359
Speaker 1: nine boy, Well you know what I listened. I look

734
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 1: with a video of this young dude and and and

735
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:26,759
Speaker 1: this is this is my whole thing. You know, this

736
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 1: little cat he really think he was trying to He

737
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 1: really think he's proving the point. His point is that,

738
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:37,360
Speaker 1: uh mc mills, he funk with this Floyd, this this

739
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 1: CEO chick that funk with jay Z. And and because

740
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 1: what she did, mc mills gotta be guilty of it too, snoop.

741
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 1: And and I tell everybody, you gotta pay attention, see

742
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 1: you having these niggers used six too loosely and they

743
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:57,720
Speaker 1: don't even know what Then they're talking about Snoop smoke

744
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 1: on something he shouldn't have staid, true enough, even if

745
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:04,799
Speaker 1: he said it, however he setting. But us being black,

746
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 1: we take the word of the police before we take

747
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:10,759
Speaker 1: the word of of of our own people. So they

748
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 1: got this paper saying Snoop said should killed Tupac number one.

749
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:19,799
Speaker 1: Should didn't get arrested for it. Even if Snoop being

750
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 1: with this shill didn't get arrested. Snooping never went on

751
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:27,319
Speaker 1: on motherfucking chair and sat down and said that's him.

752
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:31,880
Speaker 1: Where Snoop you can't call him, you can't call him

753
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 1: a motherfucking right. It's totally different, little boy. You said

754
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:39,399
Speaker 1: here and you pointed out guys that got a hunting

755
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 1: in seven years maybe altogether, and and it's totally different.

756
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 1: But people biting into this little dude ship as if

757
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 1: he ain't did nothing wrong, you know what I'm saying,

758
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:54,400
Speaker 1: And he get any I mean, and people take this

759
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:58,919
Speaker 1: bullshit because two of them guys got life, got lights,

760
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:02,880
Speaker 1: knows you, But that shows you how fun this connected.

761
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:07,000
Speaker 1: We are with this social media thing and this new generation,

762
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 1: meaning this new generation really feels like it ain't shipped

763
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 1: to snitch. And you know, I mean I had to

764
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:14,759
Speaker 1: learn that from my father when I was about eleven

765
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:16,880
Speaker 1: years old, and that ship was just the regular thing

766
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 1: to me, Like it wasn't even a major thing to

767
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 1: be like, Oh I don't funk with snitches. That just

768
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 1: was a regular thing, like like and like eating, taking

769
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 1: a ship whatever, that's just you don't funk with him. Nigga,

770
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 1: niggah in a whole bunch of other ship. This nigga

771
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:36,439
Speaker 1: is changing. This nigga right here is changing the whole

772
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 1: He's changing the whole dynamic because this this new generation

773
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 1: that we're talking about, and this Internet is so strong

774
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 1: that he could control the narrative that they could put

775
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:49,239
Speaker 1: a lot of money into him and these blogs and

776
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:52,920
Speaker 1: these streams to push the narrative and see this new

777
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 1: generation they wasn't raised in these streets, so they don't

778
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 1: know any about no code or nothing so automatic, and

779
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 1: they in their minds, he's a fucking hero because he

780
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 1: got a gang of money. He's not in jail, and

781
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:08,880
Speaker 1: and they're actually turning the tides of that how I

782
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 1: grew up like I would never snitch or I wouldn't

783
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 1: funk with no snitch. Tough this generation being like, you

784
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:16,920
Speaker 1: know what if it's it was the same my ass.

785
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:19,800
Speaker 1: I'm gonna snitch and it's all right. That's what's going on.

786
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:24,439
Speaker 1: As long as you got money is good. Uh, people

787
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 1: gonna follow me because I got money. I mean that

788
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:31,399
Speaker 1: don't make it right. I mean as at some point

789
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 1: everybody that listened to the dude, You got people like ay,

790
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 1: come fucking with him. You got people like what's your name?

791
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 1: What's the chick name that he knew with? Yeah, NICKI mnah,

792
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:46,400
Speaker 1: she got issues in her home motherfucking family with her brothers.

793
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:49,800
Speaker 1: Show you're pretty much if you can, if you convict

794
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:54,839
Speaker 1: uh Mick Mills, you can. You gotta convict uh nick

795
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 1: nas because your family aunts were sucked up ship. But

796
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:02,839
Speaker 1: that ain't that ain't point. My My point is, at

797
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 1: what point do you stop this cat from getting out

798
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 1: there like that? And and and you got major names

799
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 1: like A count them fucking with him. That that means

800
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 1: you're supporting me. That means you're supporting his movement, you're

801
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 1: supporting the bs that this little cat is putting out there.

802
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:24,279
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, is he gonna be able

803
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 1: to come to the to the bt wards and and

804
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 1: everybody stand up and give him a standing over, and

805
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 1: all these cats sit out, didn't shake his hand, like,

806
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:37,759
Speaker 1: what's up, my nigga, you're good. I don't see it.

807
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:41,759
Speaker 1: I don't see it. And something sunked up. Yeah, you know,

808
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 1: he gotta just see what we're doing to each other. Man.

809
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:48,959
Speaker 1: He the prime example with throwing rocks and hat your hand.

810
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:50,759
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, That's how I look. But

811
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:53,799
Speaker 1: you would understand he got some powerful people behind them too.

812
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:56,400
Speaker 1: You understand I'm saying he got some you know, he

813
00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 1: got some folks working with him. And again they're going

814
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:03,879
Speaker 1: hard on the computers. It's just about keeping it's about once.

815
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 1: It's like again the new generation and a lot of

816
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:09,319
Speaker 1: our generation is on our phones and and and all

817
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 1: these computers. If you control the narrative on that, then

818
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:15,839
Speaker 1: you control the perception. And at the end of the day,

819
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:19,280
Speaker 1: that him and he got a lot of people behind

820
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 1: him and a lot of money going hard with this

821
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:25,960
Speaker 1: social media campaign to get this message across. And I

822
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:28,880
Speaker 1: hate to say, these women Nikki has almost a hundred

823
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 1: million fallers on on on Instagram, So automatically, do you

824
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:38,920
Speaker 1: understand like a hundred million motherfucker's we're talking about? You

825
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:43,479
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So if you get of that saying,

826
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 1: you know what, he's all right, that's twenty million people

827
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:48,839
Speaker 1: like the numbers of mind boggling, and we just all

828
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:52,279
Speaker 1: we gotta we we always gotta remember that. And you know,

829
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 1: ship we could talk to me blew on our face

830
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:58,440
Speaker 1: about how wrong it is, but it's still doesn't like

831
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:01,440
Speaker 1: all we could do, like you said, it's do our

832
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 1: podcast to bring the real niggas because it's a bunch

833
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 1: left and there's a bunch of real chicks left who

834
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 1: agree with us. Once we can mobilize them in one space,

835
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:13,719
Speaker 1: then maybe something can happen from that. Because I see

836
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 1: that there's a lot of different podcasts, a lot of

837
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 1: different they really haven't done that yet. There's a demographic

838
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:22,440
Speaker 1: of people who think just like us, because there's a

839
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 1: demographic of forty to fifty old people who don't grew

840
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 1: up in the mud, who's out here, who's not jail,

841
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:31,279
Speaker 1: who's still out here, who grew up like that, So

842
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:36,359
Speaker 1: they haven't been mobilized. You just it's how you talking

843
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 1: to him and not talking at them. And I think

844
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 1: we can reach out to a whole bunch of them,

845
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And and like me, I'm

846
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 1: not I don't talk and I'm not using no big

847
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:53,360
Speaker 1: gass words. I'm talking straight from the streets. So you

848
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 1: so you can't understand me having these cats use these

849
00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 1: big words. These youngests don't under standing that ship. What

850
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 1: the fun they're talking about? We gotta give it to

851
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:06,080
Speaker 1: them just how we live it. And and and that's

852
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:10,719
Speaker 1: where I'm coming from. So we have to, uh, we

853
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:15,439
Speaker 1: really have to get on point man. And and I'm

854
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 1: just gonna say whatever I can do, I'm gonna do

855
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:22,799
Speaker 1: it at at at one hunting. So there it is there.

856
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:25,000
Speaker 1: I mean, we just got to get better at where

857
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:28,719
Speaker 1: we at and and and getting these people to understand man,

858
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:32,200
Speaker 1: happy to shoot you see just because you're on TV

859
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 1: or whatever, don't make you no different move you know

860
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:37,239
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. That's why I'm watched half that ship.

861
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:40,239
Speaker 1: I'm seeing them when you're going back to loving here

862
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 1: about man should fun loving? That's it for me. I've

863
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 1: been on that's about Yeah, I've been down with that ship. Man,

864
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:55,239
Speaker 1: it ain't the same no more. I mean it's free money.

865
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 1: I mean no, you're not in your hand your hand

866
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:02,279
Speaker 1: with one. It was good, it was good, you know,

867
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:04,839
Speaker 1: a couple of seasons. But you know what I'm saying,

868
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:08,320
Speaker 1: pretty much like after that, it just wasn't you know. No,

869
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:11,319
Speaker 1: I really didn't cast for it. I was just giving

870
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:14,000
Speaker 1: Stevie a ride to the set and ended up on it.

871
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 1: And like you said, the check started getting good, but

872
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 1: then I started seeing, like you know, like the whole

873
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:24,800
Speaker 1: reality TV concept is, you know, you and chicks fighting

874
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 1: and going at each other. So you know, I figured

875
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:30,640
Speaker 1: like it just wasn't going in the right direction. And

876
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 1: rarely I think since since I left, and it ain't

877
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:36,440
Speaker 1: just because of me. I just think that, you know,

878
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 1: I just brought that real nigger element to that ship,

879
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:40,400
Speaker 1: and you know what I'm saying, And I think the

880
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:43,800
Speaker 1: people that I think the storylines that they try to

881
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:47,920
Speaker 1: do now with two fours, they're not believable for sure, man.

882
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:50,439
Speaker 1: And there's the whole thing, man, the things I didn't

883
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 1: like about it, because we were talking to one of

884
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:55,560
Speaker 1: the brothers from from there was on level hire Miami

885
00:49:55,680 --> 00:50:01,320
Speaker 1: what's the cash name Bristol, I think I need to

886
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 1: talk about. Yeah, we were talking to Bristol, and that's

887
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 1: what he was saying. You know, he was just like

888
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:08,320
Speaker 1: man me and James was telling him to day to

889
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 1: make our people who like climbs sometimes to the way

890
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 1: they ended ship and the way the conversation man crazy.

891
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. They that's them dictating the narrative.

892
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. They want to dictate. They

893
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:25,880
Speaker 1: feel like the clickbait. You know, it gets more views

894
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 1: for the fighting. You know, America was built on violence.

895
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:31,480
Speaker 1: So anything that got something to do with the fighting,

896
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:36,239
Speaker 1: disrespectful cursing, it always get the most clicks and views.

897
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:38,719
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. When you go to when

898
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:41,719
Speaker 1: you go to positive route, like right now, you see

899
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:45,759
Speaker 1: you see Gucci Man just dis Atlantic Records. He did

900
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:50,840
Speaker 1: Gucci the clothing line, Um Sidegon this, you know, Atlantic Records,

901
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 1: Loupe Fiasco, Alley Boy, Walker, Flocker, So all of them

902
00:50:55,760 --> 00:51:00,279
Speaker 1: is going in on these major labels. It's about time,

903
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:04,480
Speaker 1: you know, it writes basically seeing that it's a plantation,

904
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:07,320
Speaker 1: you know, just the same way, the same way with

905
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:12,800
Speaker 1: these uh these NFL and basketball teams. Michael Jordan shouldn't

906
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:15,759
Speaker 1: have never had an issue with getting ownership of a team, man.

907
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 1: You know, but they keep they feet on, they keep

908
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:21,600
Speaker 1: our feet, they feed on our neck. So right now

909
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:26,239
Speaker 1: we really have to smash doing these protest times for

910
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 1: for equality around here, Like we can't. We can't let

911
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 1: up on them right now. No, no, we gotta. We

912
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 1: gotta definitely, man keep our next. So we got to.

913
00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:38,680
Speaker 1: We got to. And that's why these conversations, man, it's

914
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:41,320
Speaker 1: so important, man, Like they're really important. And that's like

915
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:44,880
Speaker 1: James knows, you know, Joe, Joe and I know Ray No,

916
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, because it's like this, if

917
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:49,399
Speaker 1: you don't know your past, how the funk you don't

918
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 1: know where you're here? Man, Listen, listen like to me,

919
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:55,560
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like really, you know, I'm

920
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 1: just the nigga from the hood, just like y'all. You

921
00:51:58,000 --> 00:51:59,719
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. They went through the same ship

922
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:02,920
Speaker 1: and and and with me. It's just you know, Source Magazine.

923
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:05,320
Speaker 1: I didn't know I was gonna meet Dave Maids the

924
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:09,160
Speaker 1: reality TV. I didn't know, uh that I'd be driving

925
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:11,080
Speaker 1: Stevie the sett and I'd be like, man, this should

926
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:13,839
Speaker 1: be planned. I'm just the hustling niggers. So I see

927
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:16,480
Speaker 1: an opportunity and I go for it. But I've never

928
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:20,719
Speaker 1: compromised who I was. You know what I'm saying, get

929
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:23,279
Speaker 1: all this ship because you know, a lot of that ship,

930
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:25,040
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. You know, you you know

931
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 1: it's rammed by people that have no interest in our

932
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:31,400
Speaker 1: culture and then our best interests, you know that. And

933
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:34,239
Speaker 1: that goes the same thing for the music industry. You know.

934
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:37,200
Speaker 1: But but since the beginning of time, we have to

935
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:40,279
Speaker 1: take that just to get a check, you know, we

936
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:42,839
Speaker 1: have to take that. Damn. We know, this motherfucker ain't ship.

937
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:45,360
Speaker 1: He's a piece of ship, and he's and and ultimately

938
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:48,439
Speaker 1: I'm really getting fun. But you know what I'm saying.

939
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:51,279
Speaker 1: So that's been there from day one, you know what

940
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:53,880
Speaker 1: I'm saying, you know, and I mean honestly, like the

941
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:56,880
Speaker 1: change now. You know, I think the differences You've got

942
00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 1: a lot of white people on the front lines now

943
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:02,439
Speaker 1: be because of that. That's the difference, and that's what's

944
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:06,640
Speaker 1: changing a lot of this ship. So yeah, that's that

945
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:10,719
Speaker 1: generation of that's the mixed breed generation. You know, where

946
00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:14,160
Speaker 1: where every when the UH integration is kicked in. When

947
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 1: the integration kicked in, you gotta look at it. You like,

948
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:22,239
Speaker 1: people can't afford to be racist right now. It's a mula.

949
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:25,160
Speaker 1: It's a mulatto generation. You know what I'm saying. It's

950
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:29,880
Speaker 1: a whole mulatto generation. You know what I'm saying. So everybody,

951
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 1: you know, you can't. You can't right now. Mama got

952
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:37,440
Speaker 1: five kids. One might be bad guy with Puerto Rican descent,

953
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:41,920
Speaker 1: one might be Caucasian descent, a massagan too, and to

954
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:46,480
Speaker 1: nominated brother. You see what I'm saying. So it's like,

955
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:50,480
Speaker 1: it's like what you gonta do. You're gonna say you

956
00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:54,840
Speaker 1: hate your brother or you I can't do that. You

957
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:59,239
Speaker 1: think about it. I got a brother hand and that

958
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:03,920
Speaker 1: thing I've loved. Example, he loved me. And if somebody

959
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:09,440
Speaker 1: called me and nigga in front of him. My partner, hey, hey,

960
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:12,680
Speaker 1: my partner for for for twenty five years, sou was

961
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:14,840
Speaker 1: was was It was a white Jewish guy. You know,

962
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:17,839
Speaker 1: I grew up in Boston where you know, my father

963
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:20,600
Speaker 1: ran with a bunch of Italians and Irish guys, gangsters

964
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:23,799
Speaker 1: my field. So you know, on the crime mixed fact

965
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:27,400
Speaker 1: aspected in the streets, you don't see race because niggas

966
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:31,160
Speaker 1: is getting money. So but at the same time, busting

967
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:34,960
Speaker 1: was going on in seventy four and kids were getting

968
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:38,360
Speaker 1: bussed just two different schools twenty minutes away, and and

969
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:42,560
Speaker 1: Crackers was rioting, you know what I'm saying, turning, marching

970
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:45,400
Speaker 1: and all that in Boston. So you know, with me

971
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:48,440
Speaker 1: when it comes to white folks, you know, I'm on

972
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:51,759
Speaker 1: both fends. Like I I funk with all people, but

973
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:53,719
Speaker 1: I don't funk with a racist white folks. And I

974
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:56,880
Speaker 1: know who a racist white person is. Like That's easy

975
00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:59,920
Speaker 1: for me growing up, Bro, It's easy for me to

976
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:03,200
Speaker 1: automatically tell if you if you racist, and you don't

977
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:06,280
Speaker 1: funk with niggas, so automatically I can draw a conclusion

978
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:08,719
Speaker 1: if I want to funk with you, Yeah, for sure.

979
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:10,200
Speaker 1: And that's what it comes down to, you know what

980
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:13,520
Speaker 1: I mean. Things got a mafia owned boy. He's here

981
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:16,560
Speaker 1: from Hollywood. Um you ever heard already stayed over before

982
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:20,680
Speaker 1: her no or sailor to Homie. Okay, I'm gonna do

983
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:22,759
Speaker 1: on the show before it. And he told me, he said, man,

984
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:25,200
Speaker 1: you do a lot of business. He told me, he said, man,

985
00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:29,120
Speaker 1: the mom, the Italian mafia hand the fun with black people.

986
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:30,960
Speaker 1: He told me that his mouth, he said, we had

987
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:33,160
Speaker 1: to with black people. He said, how the funk you

988
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:35,120
Speaker 1: think we had? She going on the Harlem and the

989
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:40,719
Speaker 1: Bronx and all these different places, the same thing in Chicago. Yeah. Yeah,

990
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:45,160
Speaker 1: even though even though that it was for a negative connotation,

991
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:48,320
Speaker 1: you know about just for money, because just like with

992
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:50,680
Speaker 1: the Messagans, you know what I'm saying. They know they're

993
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:54,480
Speaker 1: sending the fatting, all the the coke over here from Colombia,

994
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:58,160
Speaker 1: you know, so the math, the math, So yeah, they're

995
00:55:58,160 --> 00:56:01,680
Speaker 1: gonna shift everything over here. What they don't care what

996
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:04,879
Speaker 1: happened because it's like it's not considered like it's hitting

997
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:07,359
Speaker 1: a people, you know what I'm saying. So I keep

998
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:10,880
Speaker 1: I keep staying over and over man. When when separatism

999
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:16,399
Speaker 1: was introduced to humanity, we've been downhill every since. Once

1000
00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:19,359
Speaker 1: once we wasn't just not a little that as human,

1001
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:23,960
Speaker 1: like a human society, and they started doing separatism and

1002
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:27,440
Speaker 1: Jim Prow and all that, it's been it's been downhill

1003
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:30,640
Speaker 1: that be since, right man. Salute to all y'all, you

1004
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:32,959
Speaker 1: know what I mean, all y'all. The legends all y'all

1005
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:35,160
Speaker 1: real street o chiefs. I got nothing but respect for

1006
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:37,640
Speaker 1: all y'all. So you know what I'm saying, James, I've

1007
00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:40,400
Speaker 1: been checking out all your interviews. Man. For for a minute,

1008
00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:42,440
Speaker 1: I was going back to back to back. You know

1009
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:43,880
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, So you know what I mean for

1010
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:47,320
Speaker 1: real salute, So you know I'm acent with it. You

1011
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:49,440
Speaker 1: know anything that I can contribute, any of my resource

1012
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:53,920
Speaker 1: or whatever, I'm on board episode The Gangster Chronicles. Man,

1013
00:56:54,040 --> 00:56:57,880
Speaker 1: we really enjoyed it having y'all alone here. Joe Almighty

1014
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:00,760
Speaker 1: shot my nigga Raby been seen him and my homeboy

1015
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:06,200
Speaker 1: James McDonald, and we out of here. B