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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to stuff

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Speaker 1: I've never told you production of I Heart Radio, and

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Speaker 1: welcome to a very special edition of fictional Women around

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Speaker 1: the World. Are sub segment segment segment, subsegment good enough? Yes,

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Speaker 1: And this is a special one because as you're listening

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Speaker 1: to it, it is May the fourth, our Star Wars Day.

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Speaker 1: Happy Star Wars Day. May the fourth be with you,

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Speaker 1: Annie's favorite. Uh yeah, I get a lot of messages

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Speaker 1: that day, which I really enjoy. Yes, And I've never

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Speaker 1: And I came in and there was cake and punch

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Speaker 1: And it was like nerds, but you still took home

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Speaker 1: the inflatable lightsaber and the cups saw them recently. It's

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Speaker 1: so I guess I'm not sure when you're listening to this,

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Speaker 1: so it might not be made the fourth but when

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Speaker 1: going to talk about a Star Wars character, perhaps one

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Speaker 1: so I'm very excited to talk about this character. We're

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Speaker 1: talking about Dr Chelly Lana Afra or dr Afra or

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Speaker 1: Afra alias Joystick Chevron. Tell many thoughts to that name, yes,

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Speaker 1: you'll know kind of why I'm saying. So. Before the pandemic,

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Speaker 1: I am a completionist. Once I start something, I want

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Speaker 1: And they were right. Currently, there is discussion of casting

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Speaker 1: who do you envision as dr Afra? I don't know

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna seek that one out. M hm. When After

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