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Yeah, that's the first question you would 0:02:36.600 --> 0:02:37.720 ask them. 0:02:37.840 --> 0:02:39.560 I don't know if it's the first question, but it's 0:02:39.560 --> 0:02:40.000 on the list. 0:02:40.040 --> 0:02:46.560 Yeah, for sure, what's on. But that's an interesting concept, 0:02:46.600 --> 0:02:49.720 like to them, A show about a single universe would 0:02:49.760 --> 0:02:51.680 be weird and strange to them. 0:02:51.840 --> 0:02:54.399 Yeah, exactly. And you know the stories that people tell, 0:02:54.440 --> 0:02:56.200 the stories people are interesting. That tells you a lot 0:02:56.200 --> 0:02:59.239 about how their mind works. So I think that would 0:02:59.240 --> 0:02:59.840 be super fun. 0:03:15.040 --> 0:03:18.639 I am Jorge mcgartoonez, an author of Oliver's Great Big Universe. 0:03:18.800 --> 0:03:21.399 Hi, I'm Daniel. I'm a particle physicist and a professor 0:03:21.440 --> 0:03:24.680 at UC Irvine, and I'll watch almost any science fiction 0:03:24.760 --> 0:03:26.040 show that's out there, honestly. 0:03:26.520 --> 0:03:28.400 Oh, would you like it and not like it at 0:03:28.400 --> 0:03:30.720 the same time? Or do you like them all? Or 0:03:30.760 --> 0:03:32.880 do you you just want to see them all? 0:03:33.520 --> 0:03:35.720 I watch almost all of them. I don't like all 0:03:35.760 --> 0:03:38.320 of them. I usually finish them anyway, even if I 0:03:38.360 --> 0:03:39.640 sort of hate watch them at the end. 0:03:39.720 --> 0:03:42.160 Yeah, Oh, I can't do that. If I don't like something, 0:03:42.200 --> 0:03:46.960 forget it. I drop it, books, TV shows, movies, I'll 0:03:46.960 --> 0:03:48.080 stop watching a movie. 0:03:47.880 --> 0:03:48.320 In the middle. 0:03:48.520 --> 0:03:50.200 I always just have this hope that they're going to 0:03:50.240 --> 0:03:52.640 pull it off, you know that somehow, even though it 0:03:52.680 --> 0:03:56.160 seems like nonsense, there's an explanation waiting at the end. 0:03:56.200 --> 0:03:58.800 I'm almost always disappointed, but I still have that hope, 0:03:58.880 --> 0:03:59.000 you know. 0:03:59.000 --> 0:04:00.760 I think that's why they invented Wikipedia. 0:04:00.840 --> 0:04:04.440 Daniel, Are you saying you stop watching something and just 0:04:04.480 --> 0:04:06.200 read the plot summary and Wikipedia? 0:04:06.480 --> 0:04:06.640 No? 0:04:06.800 --> 0:04:10.280 I do know, I do. It's such a time saver, 0:04:11.040 --> 0:04:14.480 trust me, and then if what happens sounds interesting, then 0:04:14.480 --> 0:04:15.640 I'll go see how they did. 0:04:16.480 --> 0:04:19.160 Wow. Amazing. Maybe instead of living your life, you should 0:04:19.160 --> 0:04:21.839 just read about yourself on Wikipedia. I mean it saves time. Right. 0:04:21.920 --> 0:04:23.960 Well, who do you think is writing my Wikipedia? 0:04:24.040 --> 0:04:25.440 Is that you wi? 0:04:28.520 --> 0:04:31.560 I mean, what better source about my life than me? 0:04:31.880 --> 0:04:32.159 Yeah? 0:04:32.240 --> 0:04:34.800 Actually, I think there probably are better sources. People tend 0:04:34.800 --> 0:04:37.920 to not be unbiased recounters of their own life story. 0:04:38.279 --> 0:04:40.920 But anyways, Welcome to our podcast, Daniel and Jorge Explain 0:04:41.000 --> 0:04:44.120 the Universe, a production of iHeartRadio. 0:04:43.800 --> 0:04:46.599 A show in which we explain how the universe works 0:04:46.640 --> 0:04:49.719 to you. We want to answer your questions and really 0:04:49.800 --> 0:04:53.320 unwind the explanations so that they click in your mind 0:04:53.640 --> 0:04:56.680 even better than if you just read the article on Wikipedia. 0:04:57.040 --> 0:04:59.919 We do the Wikipedia translation for you. So many people 0:05:00.200 --> 0:05:01.839 to me and say, hey, I read about this on 0:05:01.839 --> 0:05:04.480 Wikipedia and it still doesn't make sense. Can you explain 0:05:04.560 --> 0:05:08.160 that to me. That's what this show is about, explaining 0:05:08.200 --> 0:05:09.880 everything that's out there in the universe in a way 0:05:09.960 --> 0:05:11.479 that actually makes sense to you. 0:05:11.640 --> 0:05:14.080 That's right, because it is a pretty interesting universe full 0:05:14.120 --> 0:05:18.559 of cliffhangers, interesting plot twists, and amazing characters out there. 0:05:18.920 --> 0:05:21.000 Hopefully without a series finale yet. 0:05:24.160 --> 0:05:25.680 I think it's going to end in a cliffhanger. What 0:05:25.680 --> 0:05:26.080 do you think? 0:05:27.440 --> 0:05:29.120 But what's on the other side of the cliff, Daniel? 0:05:29.440 --> 0:05:31.440 I just hope we get another season, that's all, you know. 0:05:31.720 --> 0:05:33.960 Yeah, yeah, how do you know we're not in the 0:05:34.000 --> 0:05:34.599 second season. 0:05:35.000 --> 0:05:37.240 We could be in like Season Infinity, right, it's just 0:05:37.279 --> 0:05:40.000 a series of banks and everyone is a new season. 0:05:40.600 --> 0:05:44.440 We could be like the soap opera of the meta metaverse, 0:05:44.520 --> 0:05:48.600 meta meta universe. You know, it just goes on forever. Yeah, exactly, 0:05:49.000 --> 0:05:51.040 that's the universe turns, and. 0:05:50.920 --> 0:05:53.760 We'd like exploring the physics of the real universe. But 0:05:53.800 --> 0:05:58.640 we also like thinking about other hypothetical, even fictional universes, 0:05:59.040 --> 0:06:01.400 because this is a great way to stretch our brains 0:06:01.480 --> 0:06:04.240 to imagine the way that our universe might be. There's 0:06:04.240 --> 0:06:07.800 a great history of science fiction authors being super creative 0:06:08.000 --> 0:06:10.800 about the way physics might work in some universe in 0:06:10.839 --> 0:06:15.160 their mind, and sometimes even inspiring real physics in new directions. 0:06:15.600 --> 0:06:17.800 Yeah. Because also, isn't it sort of the job of 0:06:17.839 --> 0:06:22.280 physicists to think about the possible futures or possible ways 0:06:22.279 --> 0:06:25.560 in which the universe might work, and then go out 0:06:25.560 --> 0:06:26.320 there and test them. 0:06:26.400 --> 0:06:29.359 Yeah. Absolutely, that is the job of theoretical physics, not 0:06:29.560 --> 0:06:32.000 just describe what we've seen in the universe, but think 0:06:32.040 --> 0:06:34.640 about what else might be out there, come up with 0:06:34.760 --> 0:06:37.320 new experiments we could do to discover the way the 0:06:37.400 --> 0:06:39.280 universe is. And in order to do that you have 0:06:39.400 --> 0:06:41.840 to be creative. You have to say, maybe the universe 0:06:41.880 --> 0:06:44.080 works this way, maybe it works that way. How would 0:06:44.120 --> 0:06:46.320 we know? What would it mean? You know, all the 0:06:46.320 --> 0:06:50.840 big discoveries in the history of physics, Einstein's revolution with 0:06:51.080 --> 0:06:54.640 relativity comes from thinking about the way the universe might work, 0:06:55.120 --> 0:06:58.600 and science fiction authors do the same thing in another direction. 0:06:58.720 --> 0:06:59.880 They maybe even take. 0:06:59.720 --> 0:07:02.160 It for Now does that mean that a physicists can 0:07:02.200 --> 0:07:04.320 just lay back and read what science fiction author is? 0:07:04.400 --> 0:07:07.159 Right, dude, you figured out our secret. That's embarrassing. 0:07:08.440 --> 0:07:08.720 I know. 0:07:08.800 --> 0:07:10.800 That's why I watch so much science fiction. I'm like, 0:07:10.840 --> 0:07:13.000 I need a new idea for research. Let's turn on 0:07:13.040 --> 0:07:13.400 the TV. 0:07:14.560 --> 0:07:17.640 Yeah, that's right. Do you ever like reference that in 0:07:17.680 --> 0:07:19.200 your scientific papers? You should. 0:07:21.320 --> 0:07:23.480 Hasn't actually happened yet, but you know, I'm waiting for 0:07:23.520 --> 0:07:24.720 the day. I'm keep investing. 0:07:24.800 --> 0:07:26.840 Oh, I see, you're waiting for the day for someone 0:07:26.880 --> 0:07:29.160 to make a TV show about a gripping drama that 0:07:29.200 --> 0:07:32.520 takes place at the Large Hadron Collider about a particle 0:07:32.560 --> 0:07:36.920 physicist who has a podcast and then turns out to 0:07:36.960 --> 0:07:37.920 be an international spy. 0:07:38.120 --> 0:07:40.760 Mm hmm, yeah, exactly. You know, the show we're talking 0:07:40.760 --> 0:07:44.840 about today actually is about a physicist who turns out 0:07:44.840 --> 0:07:46.960 to discover something exciting about the universe. 0:07:47.400 --> 0:07:47.600 Hmm. 0:07:48.600 --> 0:07:51.800 Interesting. Well, let's dig into that because to me, on 0:07:51.840 --> 0:08:00.320 the program, we'll be tackling the sci fi universe of 0:08:00.480 --> 0:08:03.440 dark matter. And now, wait, Daniel, I thought we were 0:08:03.440 --> 0:08:05.040 talking about the multiverse, not dark matter. 0:08:06.440 --> 0:08:08.480 I know. Yes, the title of this show is maybe 0:08:08.520 --> 0:08:09.920 a touch bit misleading. 0:08:10.480 --> 0:08:14.920 I agree, yeah, misleading or inaccrid or maybe in season 0:08:15.000 --> 0:08:17.320 Infinity will turn out that dark Matter is what power 0:08:17.360 --> 0:08:18.120 is the multiverse. 0:08:18.520 --> 0:08:20.480 Well, I don't want to give away any spoilers, So 0:08:20.600 --> 0:08:22.520 people got to read the book or check out the 0:08:22.520 --> 0:08:25.760 TV show. This TV show is inspired by a book 0:08:25.800 --> 0:08:28.200 of the same name by Blake Crouch. It was that 0:08:28.240 --> 0:08:31.160 book that actually kicked off our whole series of science 0:08:31.160 --> 0:08:32.080 fiction episodes. 0:08:32.400 --> 0:08:34.880 Yeah. Remember we recorded an episode where we talked about 0:08:34.880 --> 0:08:37.360 the book. This was a long time ago, right five 0:08:37.480 --> 0:08:38.800 years ago, four years ago. 0:08:39.280 --> 0:08:41.880 Yeah, we actually chatted with Blake about a different book 0:08:41.920 --> 0:08:45.960 of his Recursion about time travel. But reading that book 0:08:45.960 --> 0:08:49.480 and thinking about the physics and wondering how authors used 0:08:49.480 --> 0:08:51.840 physics as they developed their shows and how they developed 0:08:51.840 --> 0:08:54.480 the science fiction universe is what inspired our whole series 0:08:54.720 --> 0:08:58.240 of episodes of interviews with authors, which has been super fun. 0:08:58.600 --> 0:09:00.360 So thanks Blake for writing that book. 0:09:00.880 --> 0:09:03.400 Yeah, thank you Blake. And so he wrote the book 0:09:03.480 --> 0:09:05.880 Dark Matter, on which the TV show is based on, 0:09:05.920 --> 0:09:08.000 which you can see right now in Apple TV. 0:09:08.440 --> 0:09:11.560 That's right, by the time this episode airs, the finale 0:09:11.559 --> 0:09:14.120 will have been out already. And so it's a fun 0:09:14.160 --> 0:09:15.880 science fiction show on Apple TV. 0:09:16.440 --> 0:09:18.880 Oh does that mean we're going to do spoilers or 0:09:19.120 --> 0:09:19.840 not spoilers. 0:09:20.280 --> 0:09:22.200 We are not going to do spoilers because I want 0:09:22.200 --> 0:09:23.880 people to hear this episode. 0:09:23.400 --> 0:09:26.720 And then watch the show and or read the Wikipedia page. 0:09:27.160 --> 0:09:28.320 No, do not do that. 0:09:30.679 --> 0:09:32.120 It might see any time. I don't know. 0:09:32.200 --> 0:09:33.680 Let's see, Yeah, let's see. 0:09:34.000 --> 0:09:35.920 But anyway, it's a show out there right now, and 0:09:35.960 --> 0:09:38.880 it's a limited series, right how many episodes will there be? 0:09:39.280 --> 0:09:42.000 There's nine episodes in the first series and there hasn't 0:09:42.080 --> 0:09:45.440 yet been news about whether they'll extended for a second series. 0:09:45.840 --> 0:09:48.480 The story in the first series basically captures what happens 0:09:48.520 --> 0:09:49.080 in the book. 0:09:49.200 --> 0:09:51.440 Okay, does it vary from the book or did they 0:09:51.480 --> 0:09:52.760 change anything or leave it as this? 0:09:52.880 --> 0:09:56.240 There's a few subtle modifications, but basically it follows the 0:09:56.280 --> 0:09:57.800 story as laid out in the book. 0:09:57.880 --> 0:10:01.320 Yeah, okay, what's the general story of the book or 0:10:01.480 --> 0:10:02.280 movie for book? 0:10:03.640 --> 0:10:06.720 So it's a multiverse inspired story, and it's a story 0:10:06.760 --> 0:10:10.200 about a physicist and in one of the universes he 0:10:10.320 --> 0:10:14.400 invents a box that connects the multiverses. So it's essentially 0:10:14.400 --> 0:10:17.520 about being able to travel from one universe to another 0:10:17.600 --> 0:10:20.960 universe to imagine like alternative lives you might have lived, 0:10:21.360 --> 0:10:24.280 or to maybe even change the universe you live in 0:10:24.360 --> 0:10:26.199 because you regret some of your choices. 0:10:26.559 --> 0:10:30.760 Whoa wait, wait, wait, So first of all, it's a box. 0:10:31.080 --> 0:10:36.240 Mm hmm, not a douhiki or a machine. It's a box. 0:10:36.480 --> 0:10:39.840 How big is this box? Like phone booth size box 0:10:40.080 --> 0:10:41.720 or briefcase size box. 0:10:41.800 --> 0:10:43.800 No, it's big enough for a few people to stand in. 0:10:43.960 --> 0:10:46.199 It's sort of like the size of a small garage. 0:10:46.400 --> 0:10:48.960 I guess looks like it's I don't know, three meters 0:10:48.960 --> 0:10:51.680 across or something. But it's a box because it's inspired 0:10:51.720 --> 0:10:54.679 by Schrodinger's cat you know, the idea of putting a 0:10:54.720 --> 0:10:57.439 cat in a box and then not knowing whether it's 0:10:57.520 --> 0:11:00.480 live or dead because there's a quantum triggered poison in 0:11:00.520 --> 0:11:02.560 there with the cat. So I think they used a 0:11:02.600 --> 0:11:05.360 box because it's evoked by Schrodinger's cat experiment. 0:11:06.040 --> 0:11:08.160 I see. So does that mean that the multiverse in 0:11:08.200 --> 0:11:11.000 the show is the quantum multiverse version, because I know 0:11:11.040 --> 0:11:15.320 we've talked about there being multiple versions of multiverses. 0:11:15.480 --> 0:11:18.120 Yeah, exactly. This is the quantum multiverse. The idea that 0:11:18.640 --> 0:11:21.520 if there are random things happening in the universe, like 0:11:21.800 --> 0:11:24.480 an electron could go left or could go right, and 0:11:24.559 --> 0:11:27.599 quantum mechanics tells us that there's just a random probability 0:11:27.679 --> 0:11:30.040 for either one. Then you might ask how does the 0:11:30.120 --> 0:11:34.400 universe choose? And in the Copenhagen interpretation, the universe just 0:11:34.440 --> 0:11:37.920 picks one somehow, you know, rolls a die somewhere behind 0:11:37.960 --> 0:11:40.439 the scenes, and an electron goes left or goes right. 0:11:40.480 --> 0:11:43.319 That's the wave function collapse. But there's another version of 0:11:43.360 --> 0:11:47.080 quantum mechanics, the many world's theory or Everrettian, that says 0:11:47.120 --> 0:11:50.440 it doesn't collapse. It does both. The universe splits into two. 0:11:50.600 --> 0:11:53.160 So the electron goes left in one universe and right 0:11:53.280 --> 0:11:56.240 in another universe, and so those are two elements of 0:11:56.240 --> 0:11:56.840 the multiverse. 0:11:57.080 --> 0:12:00.000 So now after the electron splits, there are two universes 0:12:00.080 --> 0:12:02.360 that exist, one in which the electron win left and 0:12:02.480 --> 0:12:05.199 one in which the electrone went right, whereas before there 0:12:05.240 --> 0:12:06.240 was only one universe. 0:12:06.360 --> 0:12:07.760 Yeah, and you have to be careful what you mean 0:12:07.800 --> 0:12:10.800 by universe here. We use the word universe here to 0:12:10.840 --> 0:12:14.000 evoke the universe that we experience, you know, our stars 0:12:14.040 --> 0:12:16.240 and galaxies and our space and our bodies and all 0:12:16.320 --> 0:12:20.120 that kind of stuff. And then we imagine many of those, 0:12:20.160 --> 0:12:22.880 we put those together into a multiverse. Some people who 0:12:22.880 --> 0:12:25.160 support this theory of quantum mechanics think that that's a 0:12:25.160 --> 0:12:28.400 little bit misleading. You're not really creating new universes. You 0:12:28.480 --> 0:12:32.119 just have one big universe that's now split into independent 0:12:32.160 --> 0:12:34.560 branches that can no longer talk to each other. So 0:12:34.600 --> 0:12:36.200 it's a bit of a quibble about the naming. But 0:12:36.240 --> 0:12:39.120 I think that leads people to imagine that like all 0:12:39.160 --> 0:12:41.960 this new stars are being made somehow, all this mass 0:12:42.040 --> 0:12:44.760 is being created, when it's really more like it's splitting 0:12:44.800 --> 0:12:46.040 into both possibilities. 0:12:47.240 --> 0:12:50.600 Now, in the show, the scientists physicists, I imagine built 0:12:50.720 --> 0:12:53.760 a box and then what happens to the box? If 0:12:53.760 --> 0:12:55.800 you get in it, you can go to another multiverse, 0:12:55.880 --> 0:12:58.080 or you can experience it or what what does it 0:12:58.120 --> 0:12:59.920 mean that it connects the multiverses? 0:13:00.160 --> 0:13:03.880 Yes, the idea is that inside the box, the universe 0:13:03.920 --> 0:13:06.520 has not made a choice about what's happening. There's nobody 0:13:06.520 --> 0:13:09.360 observing it, there's nobody looking at it. So it's still 0:13:09.360 --> 0:13:11.640 in this sort of quantum superposition where it can have 0:13:11.679 --> 0:13:15.280 both possibilities. And so in that sense, it's like there 0:13:15.280 --> 0:13:17.840 are multiple possibilities within the box. The same way that 0:13:17.880 --> 0:13:19.640 when you put a cat in the box and you 0:13:19.640 --> 0:13:21.680 don't look inside yet, the cat could still be alive 0:13:21.760 --> 0:13:24.520 or still be dead, And quantum mechanics says, both possibilities 0:13:24.559 --> 0:13:30.280 exist simultaneously, so now to experience both simultaneously. In the show, 0:13:30.600 --> 0:13:32.920 they develop some sort of chemical, some sort of like 0:13:33.000 --> 0:13:36.800 shot that you take that allows your brain to exist 0:13:36.800 --> 0:13:38.960 in a superposition so that you can go inside the 0:13:39.000 --> 0:13:43.280 box without collapsing the possibilities. So now you are inside 0:13:43.280 --> 0:13:46.839 the box, and you are still in this quantum superposition, 0:13:46.920 --> 0:13:50.480 so you're sort of like experiencing multiple universes simultaneously. 0:13:50.840 --> 0:13:53.600 It's like you're the cat Insurodinger's cat, and then the 0:13:53.640 --> 0:13:56.560 cat took a pill or something or some medicine. It 0:13:56.559 --> 0:14:00.199 can now experience being both dead and alive. But I 0:14:00.240 --> 0:14:02.360 guess the dead kat would not be experienced anything. 0:14:02.520 --> 0:14:05.040 Yeah, exactly. And in the show they describe it says, 0:14:05.160 --> 0:14:08.800 turning off the observer effect what I described earlier. You know, 0:14:08.800 --> 0:14:11.319 when the electron goes left or goes right, when it's 0:14:11.360 --> 0:14:13.520 making that choice, that's what we call the observer effect. 0:14:13.559 --> 0:14:15.920 When you ask the universe, okay, which one is it? 0:14:16.080 --> 0:14:18.840 I want to observe the electron and in the Copenhagen 0:14:18.880 --> 0:14:21.880 interpretation they say when it's observed, that's when the universe 0:14:21.920 --> 0:14:23.560 makes a choice. And so in this story they sort 0:14:23.560 --> 0:14:26.000 of like turn off the observer effect by taking this 0:14:26.080 --> 0:14:29.240 special drug that allows your brain to be in a superposition, 0:14:29.680 --> 0:14:32.080 and then you can basically choose which universe you want 0:14:32.080 --> 0:14:34.080 to go into. You reopen the door, you walk out 0:14:34.120 --> 0:14:36.560 in a new universe. In that universe, you made a 0:14:36.560 --> 0:14:39.920 different choice in your earlier life, or you know, society 0:14:39.960 --> 0:14:42.040 has gone a different way or something it is different 0:14:42.040 --> 0:14:42.840 about the universe. 0:14:43.880 --> 0:14:45.480 Yeah, I hear. There are all kinds of drugs that 0:14:45.480 --> 0:14:48.760 will let you experience all kinds of universes. You don't 0:14:48.800 --> 0:14:53.760 need a box. But wait, so taking this bill of 0:14:53.800 --> 0:14:56.520 going into the box that gives you access to all 0:14:56.600 --> 0:14:59.680 of the multiverses ever created, or just the ones that happen. 0:15:00.120 --> 0:15:02.920 So you go into the box based on the choices 0:15:03.000 --> 0:15:04.920 you make inside the box, you know what I mean, 0:15:04.920 --> 0:15:06.480 Like it would make sense if you can access the 0:15:06.520 --> 0:15:11.520 ones that you're super proposed in, but maybe not the 0:15:11.560 --> 0:15:14.040 ones that were created a long time ago or will 0:15:14.080 --> 0:15:15.040 be created in the future. 0:15:15.600 --> 0:15:17.480 No, it's a very good point, and there is a 0:15:17.520 --> 0:15:20.160 bit of a scientific quibble there. Right, What might make 0:15:20.280 --> 0:15:23.640 sense is you create this box. Now you haven't looked 0:15:23.640 --> 0:15:26.000 at what's inside the box. Several things could be happening 0:15:26.040 --> 0:15:28.400 inside the box. If you now go inside the box, 0:15:28.640 --> 0:15:31.800 you can then choose any of those possible outcomes from 0:15:31.880 --> 0:15:35.080 when you created the box. Right, That's not what happens 0:15:35.120 --> 0:15:37.000 in the show. In the show, you can visit any 0:15:37.080 --> 0:15:40.000 alternative universe in which you were born. So not like 0:15:40.040 --> 0:15:43.360 the full breadth of all possible universes, including ones where 0:15:43.360 --> 0:15:47.000 you never existed or the Earth never formed, just universes 0:15:47.000 --> 0:15:49.080 in which you were born. But I agree with you 0:15:49.120 --> 0:15:52.000 that that doesn't really make sense because how could the 0:15:52.040 --> 0:15:55.280 box have those universes connected to it? Right? It exists 0:15:55.320 --> 0:15:56.240 in our universe? 0:15:56.360 --> 0:15:59.240 Yeah, yeah, okay, but. 0:15:59.200 --> 0:16:01.840 That's a lot less. If you create a box and 0:16:01.880 --> 0:16:03.680 then you can go inside the box and then be 0:16:03.760 --> 0:16:06.000 in any universe in which you made this box five 0:16:06.000 --> 0:16:08.680 minutes ago, that doesn't really give you many new options. 0:16:08.960 --> 0:16:11.680 It doesn't allow for exciting stories like I'm going to 0:16:11.760 --> 0:16:14.640 go inside the box and then instead of being a 0:16:14.640 --> 0:16:17.080 physicist who created this box, I'm gonna go back and 0:16:17.200 --> 0:16:19.640 find the woman I should have married. Instead of building 0:16:19.680 --> 0:16:20.160 this box. 0:16:20.560 --> 0:16:22.400 I guess either version would be kind of interesting. Like 0:16:22.440 --> 0:16:24.600 I could go into this box, right, I can watch 0:16:24.640 --> 0:16:27.120 a TV show and also at the same time, I 0:16:27.160 --> 0:16:31.000 can maybe you know, write a novel, and then at 0:16:31.040 --> 0:16:34.360 the end I'll have done both. Is that how it works? 0:16:34.840 --> 0:16:37.200 Well, eventually you have to come out, right, not everybody 0:16:37.200 --> 0:16:39.600 in the universe has taken this drug. And so then 0:16:39.640 --> 0:16:41.400 when you come out, you're either going to be Jorge 0:16:41.480 --> 0:16:44.040 who wrote a novel or Orge who watched a TV show. 0:16:44.240 --> 0:16:45.520 And I can choose which one. 0:16:45.720 --> 0:16:47.960 You can choose which one, Yes, but you can't be both. 0:16:48.040 --> 0:16:51.240 You can't have both watched the TV show and written 0:16:51.240 --> 0:16:52.920 a novel, which I think is what you're going for. 0:16:53.000 --> 0:16:54.720 But if I wrote the novel, do I remember having 0:16:56.040 --> 0:16:59.080 written the novel or remember having watched the novel the 0:16:59.120 --> 0:16:59.680 TV show? 0:17:00.040 --> 0:17:03.040 Because when you come out, then the universe collapses and 0:17:03.160 --> 0:17:04.560 makes your choice, right. 0:17:05.840 --> 0:17:08.160 Okay, right, but I'll have known, like if I picked 0:17:08.160 --> 0:17:10.359 a novel, then I know that the novel I wrote 0:17:10.400 --> 0:17:11.879 is better than the TV show I watched. 0:17:13.000 --> 0:17:14.679 When you come out, you won't You'll only have been 0:17:14.720 --> 0:17:17.600 Horriy wrote the novel or Horaey who watched the TV show. 0:17:18.280 --> 0:17:21.840 Yeah, or horri We just read the Wikipedia article on matter. 0:17:22.200 --> 0:17:26.160 But let's go back to the show. Sorry, So then 0:17:26.680 --> 0:17:29.080 the physicists had then the option to go anywhere at 0:17:29.080 --> 0:17:30.679 any point in his life in which he made a 0:17:30.720 --> 0:17:32.879 decision and go that that way or not. 0:17:33.240 --> 0:17:33.840 Yeah, exactly. 0:17:33.920 --> 0:17:36.000 But then if he goes the other way, then he'll 0:17:36.000 --> 0:17:39.160 have been that person who made the other choice. Does 0:17:39.200 --> 0:17:40.960 he stay the person he was before he went into 0:17:41.000 --> 0:17:41.359 the box? 0:17:41.480 --> 0:17:43.920 He stays the person he was before he went into 0:17:43.960 --> 0:17:46.600 the box, and now he's experiencing this new universe. So 0:17:46.640 --> 0:17:48.280 one of the main storylines in the show is that 0:17:48.320 --> 0:17:51.440 this physicist, the one we're following, actually didn't build the box. 0:17:51.480 --> 0:17:54.200 He decided not to go into physics and instead follow 0:17:54.240 --> 0:17:57.960 his wife's career and become a teacher. But then another 0:17:58.080 --> 0:18:01.000 version of him that did build the box sides, you know, 0:18:01.119 --> 0:18:03.520 life being a physicist isn't as exciting and I should 0:18:03.520 --> 0:18:06.720 have chosen love and comes and kidnaps the original version 0:18:06.760 --> 0:18:08.119 of him and takes his place. 0:18:08.480 --> 0:18:11.959 Wait what so Wait, the main protagonist is not a physicist. 0:18:12.080 --> 0:18:14.359 He's a physicist by training. He got a PhD, et cetera. 0:18:14.600 --> 0:18:17.639 But now he's teaching, he's not doing research. He decided 0:18:17.680 --> 0:18:19.240 not to devote himself to buildings. 0:18:19.240 --> 0:18:23.240 He's not a practicing physicist, but then the physicist version 0:18:23.280 --> 0:18:25.199 of him in the multiverse turns out to be kind 0:18:25.200 --> 0:18:25.600 of evil. 0:18:26.000 --> 0:18:29.320 Yeah, exactly. You know, he decided following his career with 0:18:29.400 --> 0:18:31.680 maybe the wrong path, even though it allowed him to create 0:18:31.720 --> 0:18:34.280 this box. Now it lets him come back and live 0:18:34.359 --> 0:18:36.560 both versions, right, he wants to be whoorgete wrote the 0:18:36.560 --> 0:18:39.199 novel and watch the TV show. He got to have 0:18:39.200 --> 0:18:40.879 a career, build a box, and now he wants to 0:18:40.880 --> 0:18:42.400 go back and experience love. 0:18:42.720 --> 0:18:45.160