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Speaker 1: giants Chat as well. Lancelot, how are you. I'm doing

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Speaker 1: very well. How about yourself? So, the Franchise Tag deadline passed.

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Speaker 1: Grady Jared got it done. Jadaveon Clowney did not, and

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Speaker 1: he was the only guy in the tag this year

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Speaker 1: six they got done, which, if you put that in perspective,

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Speaker 1: is pretty impressive. John, each of the last two years,

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Speaker 1: only two of five players that will give you the

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Speaker 1: franchise Tag hammered out long term deal. So I think

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Speaker 1: most teams, most players walk away quite happy throughout the

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Speaker 1: course of this offseason. It's one less headache that they

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Speaker 1: have to worry about Clowney. Is it a surprise, No,

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Speaker 1: it shouldn't be a surprise, because there's been some speculation

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Speaker 1: that one of the reasons why they moved on from

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Speaker 1: Brian Gaine as their general manager is because he had

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Speaker 1: one school of thought about Clowney and Bill O'Brien, their

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Speaker 1: about his durability. He has gone through number of injuries

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Speaker 1: throughout his career, even though as of late he stayed

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Speaker 1: relatively healthy, and in fairness, Clowney has had eighteen and

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Speaker 1: a half sacks in the last two seasons combined, so

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Speaker 1: I'm not questioning his ability, but I think Clowney, compared

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Speaker 1: to some of the other players that were given the

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Speaker 1: when you take all of that into consideration, understandable why

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Speaker 1: he's the lone guy that hasn't been paid. And I

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Speaker 1: think what also makes it somewhat convoluted or complicated is

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Speaker 1: is Clowny a linebacker? Is Clowny a defensive end? And

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Speaker 1: how does the rest of the league view him? How

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Speaker 1: does the Houston Texans view him. I think the NFL

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Speaker 1: may want to visit a conversation. I know this has

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Speaker 1: been brought up about a hybrid franchise tag when you

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Speaker 1: and I gotta be honest, I think any argument that

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Speaker 1: I mean, the guy's a pass rusher. What what What

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Speaker 1: percent of the time does Jadeveon Clowney drop into coverage

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Speaker 1: and the snaps prove it too. Yeah, absolutely so I

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Speaker 1: players Association might win when when they go argue this

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Speaker 1: It just lends to the point that these hybrid defenses

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Speaker 1: But I'm not surprised that they couldn't come to an

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Speaker 1: the last few seasons. So think about how much cap space, John,

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Speaker 1: That doesn't mean he's an injury plague player. But with

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Speaker 1: that's like we all knew that. Yeah, well I realized

426
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Speaker 1: that I'd anyway, Hey, the other thing you're talking about

427
00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:46,680
Speaker 1: Elliott Elliot, it's lucky he's going to be in the NFL.

428
00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:51,120
Speaker 1: He keeps doing this stuff outside of the NFL playing field.

429
00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:53,760
Speaker 1: That got an issue. Man, I don't know what's going on,

430
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Speaker 1: and I'm sure that's probably a factor into why, if

431
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Speaker 1: you're the Cowboys you want to give him another season before?

432
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Speaker 1: What do you think about locking him up? And why

433
00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:05,800
Speaker 1: Prescott and Cooper take priority. I think there's multiple factors,

434
00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:07,360
Speaker 1: but that's certainly one of them, though I do think

435
00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:09,480
Speaker 1: the league did officially clear him of the last They're

436
00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:16,639
Speaker 1: not just hey, um, why don't we get clowney Russia?

437
00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:19,840
Speaker 1: But God's sakes, why don't we go after him? Why

438
00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:25,639
Speaker 1: don't we know? Charlie, Charlie, what would you like to do?

439
00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:27,960
Speaker 1: Would you like to give up two first round picks

440
00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:31,960
Speaker 1: and offer him a contract off the franchise tacked to

441
00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:35,919
Speaker 1: first round Carlie for one or two at the most.

442
00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:38,840
Speaker 1: Well no, no, My point, my mom my point is

443
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Speaker 1: that is that if you sign him off the franchise tag,

444
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Speaker 1: you automatically have to give up two picks. Okay, So

445
00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:46,639
Speaker 1: if the Texas aren't willing to engage you for a

446
00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:49,240
Speaker 1: trade and you just want to sign him outright, then

447
00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:51,679
Speaker 1: that is a guaranteed two first round picks that have

448
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Speaker 1: to go. What happens if he doesn't sign the tender

449
00:20:57,680 --> 00:21:00,520
Speaker 1: and they trade him and he won't sign it, well,

450
00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:04,040
Speaker 1: that's that's obviously option number two. And if that's the case,

451
00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:08,000
Speaker 1: you want to you want to trade a first round

452
00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:10,800
Speaker 1: pick to give a guy that's been hurt all the time,

453
00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:13,080
Speaker 1: give the first round? I would, Well, then you're not

454
00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:16,479
Speaker 1: get them. Then you're not getting them, Charlie, that that's great.

455
00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:21,120
Speaker 1: Where was the last time of a pass rush? JPT?

456
00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:24,720
Speaker 1: What did we get a four or three? I mean,

457
00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:27,240
Speaker 1: come on, they're not going to get a first a second.

458
00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:30,879
Speaker 1: They might get a second maybe, but he's called. If

459
00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:33,439
Speaker 1: they trade him, they're gonna they're going to give him away.

460
00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:35,560
Speaker 1: That's what they're gonna do. Because you don't want the headache.

461
00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:41,160
Speaker 1: Do you recall do you recall the cliar Mac trade. Yeah,

462
00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:44,240
Speaker 1: that was multiple pick. Cleo Mack is a little bit

463
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Speaker 1: different than Clowney. I think clown have a history of injuries. Okay, um,

464
00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:52,480
Speaker 1: what did the Chiefs how about the Frank Clark trade?

465
00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:56,600
Speaker 1: That was the first round pick? Well, that's all right.

466
00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:58,760
Speaker 1: You know I wouldn't give him first roul pick, but

467
00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:00,800
Speaker 1: I would try to get him. How we go for

468
00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:03,160
Speaker 1: a second round? And the other guy who's out there

469
00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:08,040
Speaker 1: that we need desperately is a veteran linebacker the Clane

470
00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:14,520
Speaker 1: wants to get back. He's reinstated. The dude. Hey look, hey,

471
00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:16,800
Speaker 1: you love Charlie's call, So I'll let you take this one. John.

472
00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:19,160
Speaker 1: You seem very animated over this. I don't have anything

473
00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:22,919
Speaker 1: to answer the conversation. Change. Absolutely, he is a change man.

474
00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:25,080
Speaker 1: He's a change man, and he deserves to go on

475
00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:27,399
Speaker 1: the Will Beat the All Star team because him and

476
00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:30,160
Speaker 1: Will beat here. Now you're not actually Ronald Will claim

477
00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:32,040
Speaker 1: Will go on the Will Hill All Star Team. Well, no,

478
00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:34,719
Speaker 1: Will Hills already on that team. Though. Remember Charlie's got

479
00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:37,920
Speaker 1: like three or four guys that he recycles every part

480
00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:41,040
Speaker 1: of the season within the year, fall, spring, summer, you

481
00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:43,800
Speaker 1: name it. A gentleman and left him a message and

482
00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:46,200
Speaker 1: I'm sure he's going to call you back. He should

483
00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:49,480
Speaker 1: bring in And I said, you know, b b K

484
00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:53,960
Speaker 1: recommended that I should call you and like, whoa you

485
00:22:54,680 --> 00:23:02,560
Speaker 1: were idiot? You'sage was received. By the way, just so

486
00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:05,840
Speaker 1: you know, Charlie, thank you for the college. Charlie. By

487
00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:08,480
Speaker 1: the way, I'm not even gonna verbalize why, I'm just

488
00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:11,720
Speaker 1: gonna say it. Rolando McClain might be one of the

489
00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:14,399
Speaker 1: dumbest single ideas that I've ever had called into the

490
00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:16,960
Speaker 1: show be four. I mean, and that's says we've had

491
00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:20,880
Speaker 1: some doozies. We've had some doozies. That is damn near

492
00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:23,399
Speaker 1: the top. What has been three years since he's played

493
00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:27,040
Speaker 1: twols quite some time and all off the field stuff,

494
00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:31,800
Speaker 1: and he's old. I mean, come on, I don't understand

495
00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:34,000
Speaker 1: why you wouldn't want to just evaluate what you currently

496
00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:36,720
Speaker 1: have on the roster as opposed to bringing in somebody

497
00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:38,400
Speaker 1: like that. I mean, that's how you have to look

498
00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:40,360
Speaker 1: at it. You know, It's one thing. Listen, I'll give

499
00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:43,080
Speaker 1: Charlie credit. You want to have a conversation about Clowney. Okay,

500
00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:46,320
Speaker 1: Clowney's a productive player, of course, Rolando McClean is on

501
00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:48,560
Speaker 1: the complete opposite end of the spectrum here. Now, I'd

502
00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:52,360
Speaker 1: much rather see what my young guys like Ryan Connelly,

503
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:54,840
Speaker 1: for example, is gonna give me, give him the reps

504
00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:57,400
Speaker 1: in camp that bring in Rolando McClean. It's just it's

505
00:23:57,400 --> 00:23:59,639
Speaker 1: not being productive in the long run. Now in terms

506
00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:03,960
Speaker 1: of Clowney. Just generally, speaking from a theoretical perspective, I'm

507
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:06,639
Speaker 1: against trading an asset for somebody and then having to

508
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:08,719
Speaker 1: pay them. That's why when the Cows made the Mari

509
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:10,400
Speaker 1: Cooper trade, least or I was against that. I thought

510
00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:12,280
Speaker 1: it was a bad mood for them, but it turned

511
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:13,919
Speaker 1: out to work out well. I was wrong about that

512
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:17,960
Speaker 1: particular trade, But I think in general, you the players

513
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,080
Speaker 1: got to be really good for him to be worth

514
00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:22,840
Speaker 1: giving up picks for and then having to pay on

515
00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:25,680
Speaker 1: top of that. I think that's always a dicey proposition. Yeah,

516
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:28,760
Speaker 1: I mean there's certainly there's risk involved in that. There's

517
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:30,919
Speaker 1: much more risk than if you just traded for a

518
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:32,920
Speaker 1: guy that already had a contract. At least, hey, you

519
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:34,919
Speaker 1: don't have to do a lot of the heavy lifting.

520
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:39,119
Speaker 1: But I think most teams, at least the Cowboys perspective was,

521
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:41,760
Speaker 1: can we get a player in the first round that

522
00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:43,840
Speaker 1: gives us what a Mari Cooper gives us. I mean

523
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:46,000
Speaker 1: that was at least their mindset, John, and it worked

524
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:49,320
Speaker 1: out very well. I think you say, your first round

525
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:51,720
Speaker 1: pick this year in two thousand nineteen is a Mari Cooper.

526
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:54,000
Speaker 1: I think most teams would sign up, especially the impact

527
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:55,800
Speaker 1: he had in the second half of the Season's assuming

528
00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:57,560
Speaker 1: they figure out a way to sign the more term well,

529
00:24:57,560 --> 00:24:59,440
Speaker 1: of course, because if Cooper turns out to be a

530
00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:01,439
Speaker 1: one or two your rental, then I don't like to trade.

531
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:03,480
Speaker 1: But if they managed to keep Cooper, then I think

532
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:06,560
Speaker 1: it's an extremely valuable trade. All right, letting Columbia Maryland.

533
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:10,120
Speaker 1: You'll be our final call. Before we get to our guest, Aleen. Hey, guys,

534
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:13,160
Speaker 1: how you doing. We're doing great? What's a good UM?

535
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:17,400
Speaker 1: I just wanted to come in on South Pal's UM interviews.

536
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:19,240
Speaker 1: It was very good interview. He's always a good list.

537
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:23,840
Speaker 1: He's the best and usually when he's he's really tuned

538
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:26,439
Speaker 1: into the league, and if he tells you something's going

539
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:30,919
Speaker 1: to happen, it's probably gonna happen. I'm not always crazy

540
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:34,159
Speaker 1: about his predictions, but but generally speaking, I kind of

541
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:36,399
Speaker 1: always pay attention to what he has to say. He

542
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:38,879
Speaker 1: had some nice comments about ELI and the Hall of Fame.

543
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:41,000
Speaker 1: I thought that that was really, you know, kind of

544
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:44,800
Speaker 1: nice to hear. Um. The only disagreement I had with

545
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:51,920
Speaker 1: him it seemed like, Um, he downplayed the loss of Beckham.

546
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:54,560
Speaker 1: I don't want to get into a long conversation, but

547
00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:58,280
Speaker 1: I think we're gonna I think we're gonna feel that.

548
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:01,080
Speaker 1: I disagree with him. I think we're going to feel

549
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:03,560
Speaker 1: that loss, and we're gonna feel it heavy. But it

550
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:06,320
Speaker 1: is what it is. And UM, you know, you go

551
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:10,119
Speaker 1: forward and so. But thanks for having a sal on

552
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 1: um physically unable to perform list? Um, can we can

553
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:20,919
Speaker 1: we expect anyone on that list next week? What do

554
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,119
Speaker 1: you think it would it be if anybody's on it,

555
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:25,399
Speaker 1: would it be a surprise? Well, we can expect Charlie

556
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:29,399
Speaker 1: on there. If you're going to include callers actually actually calling,

557
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:31,919
Speaker 1: he'll be ready for the season. He'll be ready for

558
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:35,160
Speaker 1: the season. Charlie is terminally on the list mentally unable

559
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:40,000
Speaker 1: to perform. Actually, that's that that's a really good question. Um,

560
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 1: I don't think Soldier will be on the list. I

561
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:45,119
Speaker 1: don't think Remors will be on the list. Those are

562
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:48,520
Speaker 1: the two guys that I would immediately think about. I

563
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 1: wouldn't think Evan Ingram would be on the list. If

564
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 1: he was, I'd be a little concerned. Um No, I

565
00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:58,040
Speaker 1: don't think. And you know, you might have a couple

566
00:26:58,080 --> 00:26:59,520
Speaker 1: of guys on the back end of the roster, a

567
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:02,480
Speaker 1: couple of drafted rookies got hurt, you know, back when

568
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,439
Speaker 1: they can't first started. Guys like that, maybe, but no,

569
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:07,439
Speaker 1: I would not expect anybody else to be on that

570
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 1: list off the top of my head. Can we can

571
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:14,359
Speaker 1: we go over the rules for for that for that list? Um,

572
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 1: let's let's let's say you Solder as an example, if

573
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:22,639
Speaker 1: he's not on the list, um next week but doesn't practice,

574
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 1: can you put him on the preseason pup a week later?

575
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:29,360
Speaker 1: If he hasn't practiced. I know you can't practice at all,

576
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:31,919
Speaker 1: but there there there, well, there's any reason to do that.

577
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 1: If he's not gonna practice, they will put him on

578
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:38,119
Speaker 1: the put list to start. Okay, Okay, Now on the

579
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 1: preseason pup, you can get called off a at any

580
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 1: time and there's no mandatory, uh time limit that you

581
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 1: must stay on the pup list during preseason, that's correct.

582
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 1: But once you get into the regular season is through

583
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 1: the first six weeks. Okay, okay, but you can't get

584
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 1: on the regular You can't be put on the regular

585
00:27:56,680 --> 00:28:01,120
Speaker 1: season pup unless you've been on the preseason pup. That's correct. Yes,

586
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 1: that that's why you put the guy in the publist

587
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 1: right away, if you think there's any risk that he

588
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:07,160
Speaker 1: is a long term injury. Yeah, because you have to understand,

589
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 1: don't you start practicing and training camp, you're ineligible for

590
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 1: the puplist. So if you're concerned about a player, you

591
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 1: put him on the populist and then that gives you

592
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 1: the leeway to move him to the regular season. Okay, okay,

593
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 1: thanks thanks for clarifying that. Always good to go over

594
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 1: the rules before we get started here, before people start,

595
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:26,879
Speaker 1: including myself, start talking about, well, let's put him on

596
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:31,680
Speaker 1: the publist because they might not be eligible having having practiced. Um.

597
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 1: Last question or comment defensive line. Um. Just you know,

598
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 1: I keep looking at the roster. It just seems a

599
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 1: little thin. Old Saint Pierre, you have any sense of

600
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 1: what he what he brings, guys, I mean, I haven't

601
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 1: heard too much about him. I know we're we're kind

602
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 1: of counting on him to make the roster. What what

603
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 1: do you see him? Probably not starting rotation type player.

604
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 1: What tell me something about this guy? Well, I think

605
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 1: he's got familiarity with the scheme because he was in

606
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 1: Arizona with James Betcher. Remember we haven't seen him with

607
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 1: the pads on Land, so you know, to walk away

608
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 1: with key observations from a physical standpoint, I think would

609
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 1: be getting ahead of ourselves. I think though, they will

610
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 1: get more of a run stopper than a pass rusher

611
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 1: one absolutely. I mean you look at his sack numbers,

612
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 1: it's not necessarily a lot of substance. A guy that

613
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 1: certainly is gonna eat up space, be a key ingredient

614
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 1: on the inside of the defensive front. Rotate into your

615
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:32,720
Speaker 1: point Land And I think also somebody that Betcher views

616
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 1: as upside meaning they didn't tap into his potential in

617
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 1: Arizona for all the years he was there, but they

618
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 1: feel like maybe if they could carve out a more

619
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 1: significant role here in New York, you could see his

620
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 1: production increase. So that's one of the under the radar guys.

621
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 1: And appreciate the phone call he would be you know

622
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 1: a potential breakout player, but we've got to see it

623
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 1: in training camp practices before we truly know what he

624
00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 1: could bring. He would also be your third potential nose

625
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 1: tackle after Tomlinson and Lawrence Um that can play that

626
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 1: specific position. The other guys are guys that I think

627
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 1: would more slide into the defensive end in the three

628
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 1: four or three technique spot if you go to the

629
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Speaker 1: sub package. All right, let's get to our guest as

630
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Speaker 1: we continue our season preview for the Giants are up

631
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Speaker 1: to the Buffalo Bills, and to talk about the Buffalo

632
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Speaker 1: Bills is Chris Brown Horse for Buffalo Bills dot Com

633
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Speaker 1: and the Bills Radio. And that where chrisy got John

634
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Speaker 1: Schmunk and Lance Meadow here in the Giants practice facility.

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Speaker 1: I hope you're enjoying your time off because it will

636
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Speaker 1: shortly be coming to a quick end. Yeah. All our

637
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Speaker 1: summer's end in about a week and a half, guys, Yeah, absolutely,

638
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 1: it It comes fast and furious. So let's talk some football, Chris,

639
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 1: and let's start at the quarterback Josh Allen, because um,

640
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 1: he showed me not the type of stuff you see

641
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Speaker 1: from a traditional quarterback. I think a lot of that

642
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 1: had to do with what was going on around him too.

643
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Speaker 1: Just give me your overall take on on Josh Allen's

644
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Speaker 1: year number one and what you expect from him in

645
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:52,959
Speaker 1: terms of progress in the second season. Yeah, I mean,

646
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 1: I don't think there's any question. He's a guy that

647
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 1: relied on his God given athleticism more than anything else

648
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 1: as a rookie last year. But over the final few games,

649
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 1: I would say, probably the last five or six games,

650
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 1: which ironically is somewhat similar to what you guys did

651
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 1: at the very beginning with Eli. When he got him

652
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 1: in the back half of the season as a starter, Uh,

653
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 1: you started to see more of his mental processing skills

654
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 1: emerge a little bit. And you know, if you look

655
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Speaker 1: at the stat line from the season finale against the Dolphins,

656
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 1: which for everybody else was a meaningless game, for him,

657
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 1: was a gigantic game. Uh. You know, Yes, he still

658
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:33,720
Speaker 1: ran for like ninety yards and a couple of touchdowns,

659
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 1: but he also threw three touchdowns and had a completion

660
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 1: percentage over And I think between a offensive coordinator Brian

661
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 1: Dable and Josh himself, I think they're using that as

662
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 1: a springboard going into and probably the most encouraging thing

663
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 1: that we saw from him and his game individually in

664
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 1: the spring was a vast improvement in ball location. Uh,

665
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 1: just putting things on the money and to a degree

666
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 1: where he wasn't just hitting guys and stride, but when

667
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 1: a guy was covered, putting it on the proper shoulder

668
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 1: of the player that was not on the same side

669
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Speaker 1: that the defensive back might have been closing on. UM.

670
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Speaker 1: He also showed a diversified array of throws. It wasn't

671
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 1: just the fastball that he's known for. He he had

672
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 1: a touch pass, he had an anticipatory throw. He was

673
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 1: dropping balls over the shoulder of receivers in a in

674
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 1: a way that we had not seen the previous fall.

675
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 1: So granted, it's not when he's got two pound defense

676
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 1: events screaming off the corner at him UM. But in

677
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 1: the spring setting, uh, he demonstrated ball location improvement, which

678
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 1: has been the sticking point for a lot of his critics. Well,

679
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 1: the key for him, though, as you well know, Chris

680
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 1: is going to be the state of the offensive line,

681
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 1: which was not necessarily pretty last season. A big reason

682
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 1: why he was running I think much more than the

683
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 1: Bills had anticipated. Seems like Buffalo was very active this offseason.

684
00:32:57,080 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 1: I think he got about offensive lineman on that Austin.

685
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 1: I know that's a bit of hyperbole, but you know,

686
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Speaker 1: what's the outlook of that group. What do you see

687
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Speaker 1: out of that group in terms of making some strides

688
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 1: to better protect the young quarterback? Yeah, I mean, I

689
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 1: think the encouraging thing is you've got guys with pelts

690
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 1: on the wall, guys with NFL experience that are here. Um, yes,

691
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 1: there are some young players in the pipeline, um, not

692
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 1: the least of which is Cody Ford, their second round pick,

693
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Speaker 1: who's probably going to be one of the two main

694
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 1: competitors for the starting right tackle spot. But on the whole,

695
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 1: they picked up you know, veteran players that have starts

696
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 1: in this league, several, you know, dozen starts in this league, uh,

697
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 1: that are going to have a viable competition at both

698
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 1: the guard spots and at the right tackle spots. So

699
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 1: you know, between Spencer Long, Quentin Spain, um. You know,

700
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 1: Mitch Morris's pen is marked in Penn at center, their

701
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 1: big free agent acquisition from Kansas City. But the left

702
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 1: guard spots open, the right guard spots open, and the

703
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Speaker 1: right tackle spot, as I said, is a two man

704
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 1: competition between Cody four, the rookie, and Time Setting, the

705
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 1: guy they picked up from Washington. So, um, there are options.

706
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Speaker 1: Now the task is fitting it all together and getting

707
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 1: it humming, you know, by the regular season. I think

708
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:22,240
Speaker 1: that's a tall task, especially with all that turnover. Um.

709
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 1: But if they can weave it together and get it

710
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:29,799
Speaker 1: working cohesively, you know, hopefully by week two, ideally when

711
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:33,359
Speaker 1: they face you guys, uh, you know, they'll I think

712
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:36,439
Speaker 1: they'll be able to do a couple of things. One

713
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 1: protect Josh more effectively and to restore balance to this

714
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Speaker 1: offense because I'm telling you, guys, last year was a

715
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Speaker 1: train wreck in terms of winning the battle at the

716
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Speaker 1: line of scrimmage. This team could not do it up front,

717
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:54,840
Speaker 1: and everybody looked at Lashawn McCoy's statistics and said, this

718
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 1: guy's done. He's over thirty, this, that, and the other.

719
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Speaker 1: He wasn't the problem. The problem were the five guys

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Speaker 1: in front of him. I mean, they couldn't even execute

721
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 1: a screenplay fellas. I mean, Brian Gable was calling plays

722
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 1: with one arm tied behind his back because he didn't

723
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 1: have players with the mobility to execute a screenplay. He

724
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:14,879
Speaker 1: didn't have guys that could drive people off the line

725
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 1: of scrimmage and open holes in the gaps. So it

726
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 1: was just it was a mess from A to z here,

727
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:24,400
Speaker 1: and they just were doing it with smoking mirrors quite frankly.

728
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 1: So I think they feel they have veteran players who

729
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:29,400
Speaker 1: know how to execute, who've been around the block and

730
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:31,799
Speaker 1: been in a host of different schemes, and now it's

731
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 1: just a matter of pulling all that together. Not gonna

732
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:35,880
Speaker 1: be easy, but at least you have players with experience

733
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:38,319
Speaker 1: that know what to do and how to do it well. Chris,

734
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:40,799
Speaker 1: We've experienced those types of offensive line issues down here

735
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:43,319
Speaker 1: for years, so I understand exactly what you're saying. And

736
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 1: it's amazing how how I can impact every single face

737
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 1: of the offense. Uh, you mentioned balance the running game,

738
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:50,880
Speaker 1: you know, you look at it. You got La Shawn McCoy,

739
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 1: Frank Gore, two guys. You wonder how much time they

740
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 1: have left. Frankore might be a play till he's fifty.

741
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 1: I don't know. Um. Devin Singletary is a player though

742
00:35:57,960 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 1: that I like coming out of college. You know, people

743
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 1: will kind of up and down on him based on

744
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 1: whether or not you care about the combine stuff or not.

745
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 1: But how much do you think Singletary will work into

746
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:10,880
Speaker 1: the you know, main carry workload from McCoy and Gore.

747
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 1: And what have you guys seen from him so far

748
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 1: this spring? Yeah, I mean, I don't know that we're

749
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 1: gonna see a whole lot of him early on, but

750
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:23,400
Speaker 1: it's very clear to me, at least in the spring,

751
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 1: that this coaching staff wants to get him reps exposure.

752
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 1: Uh see how the plays unfold, get used to the

753
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 1: blocking schemes in front of him. I think they're also

754
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:37,759
Speaker 1: trying to take any kind of unnecessary workload off the

755
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 1: likes of Gore and McCoy, So give the reps to

756
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 1: the kid, let him get experienced that kind of thing. Um.

757
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 1: I think what's going to be interesting here is there

758
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:49,880
Speaker 1: is going to be a concerted effort to try to

759
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 1: get Singletary at least a package of plays every week.

760
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 1: But how big is that package? Is it six to

761
00:36:57,160 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 1: eight plays? Is it eight to twelve plays? I really

762
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:03,280
Speaker 1: don't see it being much more than that as long

763
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 1: as McCoy and Gore are performing. Um, you know, and

764
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 1: and we haven't even talked about p J Yelden, So Um,

765
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 1: you know they have a they have a bounty of

766
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 1: riches at running back. It's just a matter of how

767
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:20,840
Speaker 1: effective everybody is gonna be in executing their role once

768
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,760
Speaker 1: it's determined coming out of camp. I mean, Frank Gore,

769
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 1: I don't know if there's a better running back in

770
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 1: the last twenty five years at picking up the blizz

771
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 1: than Frank Gore. I mean, if you've ever watched taping

772
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 1: him do that, I mean, he looks he's fantastic. I

773
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 1: don't know if I've seen better. Um, you know the

774
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 1: Hall of famers theremon Thomas might be an exception, but

775
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 1: I mean, he's just unbelievable. So you say, all right,

776
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 1: well we gotta have him out there on third down. Well,

777
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 1: do you want to take Shady off the field on

778
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 1: third down when he can operate as a pass catcher

779
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 1: and a swing pass option, a safety valve option out

780
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:52,759
Speaker 1: of the backfield. I don't know if you want to

781
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 1: do that. Well, now you're putting two backs on the field.

782
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:56,840
Speaker 1: You're playing a split back pony backfield, Like, what are

783
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:59,279
Speaker 1: you doing? So there's a host of options that are

784
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 1: very intrigue and it's gonna be interesting to see Brian

785
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:06,399
Speaker 1: dable kind of navigate his way through all of that. Uh,

786
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 1: and how he's going to utilize people, because I gotta

787
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 1: tell you, Devin Singletary, he didn't he wasn't asked to

788
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 1: do it a whole lot at Florida Atlantic. But he's

789
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 1: got a nice set of hands on him too. So, uh,

790
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 1: you know, it's a good problem to have. It's just

791
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 1: gonna be interesting to see how it all unfolds and

792
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 1: shakes out. Yeah, to your point, Chris, there may not

793
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:25,400
Speaker 1: be a better back than Frank Gore in terms of

794
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:27,839
Speaker 1: being productive this laid in his career. It's amazing how

795
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:30,439
Speaker 1: this guy goes from team to team and still produces. Now,

796
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 1: speaking of veterans, they added two veterans in the receiving Corps.

797
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 1: John Brown they brought over as well as Cole Beasley

798
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:39,800
Speaker 1: and Josh Allen was really working with a young group

799
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:42,880
Speaker 1: of whiteouts last year, and I'm sure past protection was

800
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 1: a big reason why they didn't put up monster numbers.

801
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 1: But what do you think a guy like Cole Beasley

802
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:51,800
Speaker 1: can do for Allan's development as well as this offense overall?

803
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 1: You know, given he's a nice security blanket to have

804
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:59,239
Speaker 1: out of that slot, right. I mean I think, uh,

805
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 1: you know, looking at what Josh's numbers were last year,

806
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 1: his completion percentage was like fifty two, which we all

807
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 1: know is not good enough in this league to keep

808
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:11,920
Speaker 1: your offense on the field. If there's anybody that is

809
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:15,719
Speaker 1: going to help Josh Allen raise his completion percentage, it's

810
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 1: going to be Cold Easily because he's gonna be running

811
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Speaker 1: those routes that cater to high percentage throws, and uh,

812
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:23,400
Speaker 1: if he can get it up closer to fifty eight

813
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 1: completion percentage, well then you might have something, especially if

814
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 1: the balance returns to the offense. And I think that's

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Speaker 1: what Cold Easily is. He gives this offense a bona

816
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 1: fide answer at the underneath part of the field. Um.

817
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 1: You know, this was kind of a feast or famine

818
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:44,920
Speaker 1: type passing game last year where you had Robert Foster,

819
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 1: you know, in the second half of the season as

820
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 1: the primary deep threat, and you had z Jones kind

821
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 1: of work in the middle middle of the field. But

822
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 1: really a lot of those underneath routes is a Jones

823
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 1: had trouble getting separation against man coverage. That's not going

824
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 1: to be an issue with Cold eas Um you guys

825
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:03,799
Speaker 1: can't be able to win against whatever you throw at him.

826
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Speaker 1: And it wouldn't surprise me if he's gonna leave if

827
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 1: he leads his team and targets at the end of

828
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 1: the season. All right, let's let's go to the defensive

829
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Speaker 1: side of the ball with drawn by Chris Brown Buffalo

830
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Speaker 1: Bills dot Com, Bill's Radio Network. And quite frankly, your

831
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 1: defense is already really, really good. And then at Oliver

832
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:22,279
Speaker 1: somehow manages to drop to you in the first round

833
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 1: of the draft, so now it looks even better. Um,

834
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 1: just let's start with the defensive line. I guess at

835
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 1: Oliver's edition already have Jerry Hughes there, Uh, Star Low

836
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:33,760
Speaker 1: to Lelee Shack Lawson. Uh, just talk about the impact

837
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:36,879
Speaker 1: that group has in terms of kind of being where

838
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:39,319
Speaker 1: everything starts up front for the defense. And trust me,

839
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:41,319
Speaker 1: we know how good the secondary is. Well we'll get

840
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 1: to them too. Yeah, I mean I think that you know,

841
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 1: in the Sean McDermott slash Leslie Frasier defense, they don't

842
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 1: blitz a lot. They rely on their front floor to

843
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 1: get pressure and to affect the quarterback. Hurry throws, back

844
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:59,359
Speaker 1: down passes, get shacks, all of that stuff. Um. They

845
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 1: fell off last year in terms of getting sacks. I

846
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:03,400
Speaker 1: think they were twenty seven in the league with just

847
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Speaker 1: thirty six. But Jerry Hughes had a great season. I

848
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:08,440
Speaker 1: mean Pro Football FO, you only had seven sacks, but

849
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 1: Pro Football Focus had him with the second highest pressure

850
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:14,360
Speaker 1: rate in the NFL, right behind Aaron Donald. That was

851
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:17,239
Speaker 1: the only guy that was better than him. He's a

852
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:20,319
Speaker 1: good pass rusher, he really is, and very underrated. And

853
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 1: I talked to him about it last at the end

854
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:25,320
Speaker 1: of last season, said, look, with all these crazy quarterback

855
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:27,480
Speaker 1: rules going in, like you can't drop your weight on

856
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 1: him as you're taking him to the ground, this, that

857
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 1: and the other, he goes, I just decided to heck

858
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 1: with the quarterback, I'm just going to strip the ball

859
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 1: out And that's what he did, and he was one

860
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:42,880
Speaker 1: of the big reasons and force fumbles. He led the

861
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 1: team at quarterback pressures, quarterback hits, and in sacks um.

862
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 1: And he just signed a two year contract extension. But

863
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 1: it's gonna be harder to put all of your focus

864
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 1: on Jerry Hughes if you're the opposing offense, because now

865
00:41:57,600 --> 00:41:59,879
Speaker 1: you know Shack Lawson had a nice season last year.

866
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 1: But he's probably not even gonna start because Trent Murphy

867
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:09,279
Speaker 1: is a percent healthy in it who was still with Washington.

868
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 1: He was not the same guy here last year, and

869
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:15,240
Speaker 1: for some guys, it takes a year before you're ready again.

870
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 1: But all accounts from spring practice, Trent Murphy looks like

871
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 1: a different person this year than he did last year

872
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:22,880
Speaker 1: in the Bill's uniform. And he's probably gonna start at

873
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 1: left defensive end. And this is a guy in the

874
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 1: night check eason in Washington in seven team before he

875
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:29,799
Speaker 1: got hurt, So um, you know, it's a It's a

876
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 1: guy that's going to add to the pass rush and

877
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 1: he's really good at setting the edge against the run.

878
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 1: And the biggest thing for the two edge guys is

879
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 1: going to be at Oliver. His ability to penetrate up

880
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:43,719
Speaker 1: the middle is going to take away the option for

881
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:46,319
Speaker 1: quarterbacks to step up in the pocket away from that

882
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:49,440
Speaker 1: rush coming off the edge. And now, if that's the case,

883
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:51,959
Speaker 1: all you have is a foot race. And I'm gonna

884
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 1: tell you right now, Jerry Hughes and a quarterback, unless

885
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:58,840
Speaker 1: it's Russell, Russell Wilson or Lamar Jackson, Jerry Hughes is

886
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 1: probably winning the foot race, which also speaks very highly

887
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:04,840
Speaker 1: of what they're working with and as you mention with

888
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 1: shack laws and not even starting, I mean, it's an

889
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:11,360
Speaker 1: ideal situation for that Leslie Fraser, Sean McDermott defense. John

890
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 1: was alluding to how great the secondary is, Chris, which

891
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 1: I think is another reason why if the Bills don't

892
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 1: have a great deal of sacks, you can at least

893
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:20,279
Speaker 1: feel good. Hey, you got a lot of good cover

894
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 1: guys on the back end. But how much does it

895
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:26,360
Speaker 1: help this defense that you look at all those secondary players.

896
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 1: That group is essentially returning intact and that's rare in

897
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 1: today's NFL, Chris, that the guys you worked with the

898
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 1: previous year who know the defense are mostly gonna come back. So,

899
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:39,239
Speaker 1: I mean, how far along can this defense get to

900
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 1: given the fact that the nucleus is really gonna stay

901
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:45,439
Speaker 1: together from last season? Yeah, I mean really it's it's

902
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:48,800
Speaker 1: ten of eleven starters returning to that unit. Ed Oliver

903
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 1: is probably gonna be the only new piece um, you know,

904
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 1: replacing the retired Kyle Williams so um on the back end. White,

905
00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 1: Micah Hyde and Jordan Poyer at play the last two

906
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:04,280
Speaker 1: seasons together and have been lights out. Um. Levi Wallace,

907
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:07,840
Speaker 1: the undrafted rookie came in and he's not a flashy player,

908
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 1: but he is steady Eddie man on the other side

909
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 1: at the right cornerbacks. But now he's gonna get pushed

910
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:16,440
Speaker 1: here in training camp because they picked up Kevin Johnson,

911
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 1: the former first round pick of the Houston Texans, on

912
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 1: the cheap as he's coming off some injury riddled seasons

913
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 1: and is trying to re establish himself, you know, as

914
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:27,239
Speaker 1: a playmaker in this league. And then they got d J.

915
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 1: Gaines back from Cleveland. He was here in seventeen and

916
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:33,840
Speaker 1: actually started at that right cornerback spot and now is

917
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:36,399
Speaker 1: going to be fighting to get on the field. Uh

918
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 1: So the depth, so the starting groups great and the

919
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 1: depth is even better. Um. You know, this is a

920
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 1: team that had picks and then they had twenty or

921
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:49,399
Speaker 1: twenty five takeaways in twenty seventeen. At twenty seven last year,

922
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 1: the reason it didn't mean a hill of beans was

923
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 1: because they had thirty two turnovers because their offense couldn't

924
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 1: get out of their own way. Um. You know, I

925
00:44:56,719 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 1: really think that it's a group that is special, especially

926
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:04,279
Speaker 1: the two safeties Hide Employers. The way they work off

927
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:07,400
Speaker 1: one another is really really special. And I'll give you

928
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 1: an example. The highest compliment that you're probably gonna get

929
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:13,319
Speaker 1: in the league was given to them by Belichick. And

930
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 1: I know Belichick every week on the conference call has

931
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 1: got high praise for just about everybody on your roster,

932
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:20,719
Speaker 1: from player one to fifty three. But what he said

933
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 1: about those two guys was they disguise better than any

934
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:28,440
Speaker 1: other safety tandem he's come across in about five seasons.

935
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 1: And he said the reason why is because they will

936
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 1: wait so late in the down before getting to where

937
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:41,719
Speaker 1: they are supposed to be on that given play to

938
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:45,359
Speaker 1: sell the disguise and sell the fakes. So Brady, who

939
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 1: is notorious for running the clock down getting the defense

940
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 1: to get back into what their actual play call is

941
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 1: so he can better diagnose it as he's taken the

942
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 1: football from the center. Belichick says, Hide Employer essentially line

943
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 1: up completely out of position at the snap and somehow

944
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 1: still get into position on time to execute their respective assignments.

945
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:11,320
Speaker 1: And that's what makes it so hard for quarterbacks against

946
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 1: those two guys. A lot of times I want to

947
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:15,320
Speaker 1: ask about Trumi and Edmonds because coming out of college.

948
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 1: We knew the athleticism was there, his you know, traits,

949
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:22,319
Speaker 1: and his athletic testing was off the charts. But I

950
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:23,839
Speaker 1: think we also knew going in that he was gonna

951
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 1: be a little bit raw, and I think that showed

952
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 1: up a little bit on tape last year. What kind

953
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 1: of progress, Chris, did you see from Edmonds over the

954
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:32,760
Speaker 1: course of the year, and what's the expectation for himitting

955
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 1: into season number two. Yeah, I'm just gonna paint the

956
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:40,440
Speaker 1: picture real quick here. Okay, this guy comes in and

957
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 1: he's not even twenty years old when he's drafted, and

958
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:49,400
Speaker 1: he's basically told you're gonna play mic linebacker, which he

959
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 1: did not play in college. He was a strong side

960
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 1: backer slash pass rusher for Virginia Tech. So now you're

961
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:57,800
Speaker 1: gonna play the mic and you're gonna run the defense.

962
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:00,440
Speaker 1: So you're gonna be telling people like thirty five year

963
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:03,279
Speaker 1: old you know, Lorenzo Alexander and thirty four year old

964
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:05,839
Speaker 1: Kyle Williams what they're gonna be doing and lining him

965
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 1: up every place. Now, just think about what you were

966
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 1: do when you were twenty years old and and just

967
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:14,399
Speaker 1: contemplate that for a second. Um, you know. I mean,

968
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 1: this guy is a dedicated kid, and they knew he

969
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:19,879
Speaker 1: would be able to handle it. That's not to say

970
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:21,879
Speaker 1: they weren't gonna be hiccups along the way. There were,

971
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 1: but I think that as we got to probably the

972
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 1: last six games of the season, you saw it clicking

973
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:34,360
Speaker 1: for him. And I mean the kid is a physical freak.

974
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:37,840
Speaker 1: I mean he's six ft five, he runs like a deer.

975
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 1: He ran a four or five three forty at the combine,

976
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:44,240
Speaker 1: and he's got arms like a condor. So you've got

977
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 1: I remember I remember a J. Mccaren in training camp

978
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:49,680
Speaker 1: when he was still with the Bill. He's trying to

979
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 1: throw a deep middle shot to a receiver on a

980
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:56,840
Speaker 1: crossing route and Tremaine Edmonds is twenty yards down field

981
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 1: and he gets his hand up because he's six five

982
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 1: five and then he's got like a almost seven foot wingspan.

983
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 1: Now you put that arm in the air and you jump.

984
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 1: I mean we're talking ten ten and a half feet.

985
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:12,440
Speaker 1: And I hear a J. Mccaron coming off the practice

986
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 1: field talking to one of the other quarterbacks. He's like,

987
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:17,359
Speaker 1: if Tremaine Edmonds is on the field, you can't make

988
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 1: that throw. Well, I mean it just goes out to

989
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:24,399
Speaker 1: that out last season and and I mean his game

990
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:26,719
Speaker 1: really picked up the last six weeks and he was

991
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 1: NFL Defensive Rookie of the Month in December. He was

992
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 1: just coming on. It was almost a shame that the

993
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:34,520
Speaker 1: season ended for Tremaine Edmonds with the progress he was

994
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 1: making that last month of the season. So I mean,

995
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 1: I expect him to come on like gangbusters this year.

996
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 1: He's twenty one years old. Guys, he still hasn't even

997
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:50,239
Speaker 1: filled out physically. Um, you've stood around on the sidelines

998
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:52,719
Speaker 1: before an NFL game, like the names that come to

999
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:54,799
Speaker 1: mind for me. You you hear a guy, Oh he's

1000
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 1: six five, he's too forty. You stand next to Bruce

1001
00:48:57,560 --> 00:49:00,200
Speaker 1: Smith and you're like, holy crap. You know what I

1002
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:04,240
Speaker 1: mean when you stand next to him physically. Cam Newton

1003
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:06,920
Speaker 1: is another example. I mean, I swear Cam Newton's eyelids

1004
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 1: have muscles, you know what I mean. And and and

1005
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 1: Tremaine Edmonds is the same thing. So if you get

1006
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 1: a chance, go down on the sidelines in week two

1007
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 1: and just go stand next to Tremaine Edmonds and you'll

1008
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:19,919
Speaker 1: know what I'm talking. Yeah, Chris, I remember when when

1009
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:22,040
Speaker 1: we when we were at the combine we were at.

1010
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:23,680
Speaker 1: I walked next to him when he was going up

1011
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:24,960
Speaker 1: to one of the one of the podiums, I think,

1012
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:26,440
Speaker 1: or one of the days he's just walking around the

1013
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 1: convention center, and yeah, it was. It was something to behold.

1014
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 1: It's not of this earth, Chris last one for me

1015
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:36,400
Speaker 1: more of a big picture perspective. I think when anybody

1016
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:38,279
Speaker 1: looks at the a f C. East, they say, Okay, hey,

1017
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:40,640
Speaker 1: clearly it's the Patriots division to win. You know, let's

1018
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:42,440
Speaker 1: see what happens the rest of the way. Buffalo is

1019
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:44,719
Speaker 1: an intriguing team to me because of the power of

1020
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:46,840
Speaker 1: their defense, and you know, it sort of relates to

1021
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 1: what the Giants are working with because you know they

1022
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:51,439
Speaker 1: have weapons on offense. Maybe their defense has question marks

1023
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 1: the opposite of what Buffalo is working with. I guess

1024
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:56,360
Speaker 1: what I'm getting at is how much of a surprise

1025
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 1: team do you think Buffalo could be potentially this season

1026
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:01,520
Speaker 1: in the NFL? Yeah, I mean, I think it's all

1027
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 1: gonna hinge. As we mentioned, I'm probably gonna have your

1028
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 1: offensive line is going to be new. Are they jelling

1029
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 1: in weeks three or a week four or is it

1030
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:19,359
Speaker 1: going to take until week eight or week nine. If

1031
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 1: it takes longer, I don't know if they're in the

1032
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:25,560
Speaker 1: hunt for a playoff birth let alone the division, which

1033
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 1: I still don't think is a realistic thing. Uh, you know, together,

1034
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:36,560
Speaker 1: you know, and and you're showing there's so many signs

1035
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 1: of weekly improvement through the first month of the season. Um,

1036
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:43,240
Speaker 1: then I think they could really gain some steam because

1037
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:46,719
Speaker 1: from week three to week nine they have five home

1038
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:49,800
Speaker 1: games in a bye week, So if they can really

1039
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:53,920
Speaker 1: make some hay in that period of time, they could

1040
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:57,239
Speaker 1: really position themselves well, you know, to make a run

1041
00:50:57,239 --> 00:51:00,719
Speaker 1: at a playoff berth Uh probably a the wild card

1042
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:02,839
Speaker 1: variety more than anything else, because it's just the way

1043
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:05,800
Speaker 1: it works in the a FC East with the Patriots, um,

1044
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:08,440
Speaker 1: you know, but that wide receiving corps has to come together.

1045
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:10,320
Speaker 1: They've got to get on the same page with Josh

1046
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:13,719
Speaker 1: Allen soon Arett later and their tight end contingent is

1047
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:16,719
Speaker 1: almost completely turned over as well with a couple of

1048
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 1: rookies who look really good, but they're rookies, so there's

1049
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:23,120
Speaker 1: all the ifs are on the offensive side of the ball,

1050
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 1: you guys, are right, and special teams has to take

1051
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 1: a step forward with a new special teams coach this

1052
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:32,880
Speaker 1: year after being quite frankly just sub standard last season. Chris,

1053
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:34,960
Speaker 1: great stuff. We really appreciate the time. We look forward

1054
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:37,920
Speaker 1: to Senion week two. We start the season early, my friends,

1055
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:39,919
Speaker 1: enjoy the next couple of months as we get ready

1056
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:42,279
Speaker 1: for the season, and we'll talk to you soon. Thanks Chris,

1057
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:44,719
Speaker 1: all right, take care, guys. Chris Brown, Buffalo Bills dot

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Speaker 1: Com Builds Radio Network. Excellent job there, And you asked

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Speaker 1: I was gonna be my final question, so I just

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Speaker 1: closed the interview, and I think they could realistically be

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Speaker 1: involved in a wild card hunt. And a lot of

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Speaker 1: people talk about like the Titans and the there how

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Speaker 1: are the Bills any different than the Jaguars in terms

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Speaker 1: of how the team is built and put together? Built

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Speaker 1: on defense? I mean clearly you got the veteran and

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Speaker 1: Nick Foles that I think you feel a lot better

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Speaker 1: than Josh Allen entering year two. But yeah, you figure, hey,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna lean on your defense. Defense maybe could be opportunistic,

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Speaker 1: make an impact, and you know, as long as the

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Speaker 1: offense protects the football, John doesn't get plagued by turnovers,

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Speaker 1: we could be competitive. I think that's the philosophy. I

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Speaker 1: think the Bills could be in that nine win range

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Speaker 1: very very easily. And I think in the a f C,

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Speaker 1: I think nine wins gets you in. It very well

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Speaker 1: could or at least it will put you in a

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Speaker 1: position to win a tiebreaker to get in. Well, if

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Speaker 1: you look at last season that did the trick, I mean,

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Speaker 1: Pittsburgh was nine six and one, and if they won

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Speaker 1: a game the last week, we could be talking about

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Speaker 1: them going to the postseason. So I don't think that's

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Speaker 1: a stretch at all. And you know, it reminds me

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Speaker 1: of when Buffalo had Tyrod Taylor. Remember one year John,

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Speaker 1: they got in and I believe they were around nine

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Speaker 1: and seven if I'm correct that season. That was the

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Speaker 1: year they lost to Jacksonville in the first round. Was

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Speaker 1: a really ugly game. It was a field goal battle.

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Speaker 1: And Buffalo is that gritty, hard nosed defensive team. They've

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Speaker 1: taken on the identity of their head coach. Sean McDermott

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Speaker 1: has been a defensive minded guy who's with the Eagles.

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Speaker 1: He did a great job in Carolina, so it's no

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Speaker 1: surprise that he's had now similar success in building up

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Speaker 1: this Buffalo unit. They're gonna go as far as their

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Speaker 1: defense takes them, and then to me, the icing on

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Speaker 1: the cake would be the offensive line makes enough progress

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Speaker 1: that Allan makes enough strides that, you know what, maybe

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Speaker 1: the offense shows you something, John, and maybe they give

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Speaker 1: you a little bit more. Maybe there's an offensive clinic

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Speaker 1: here or there, and maybe now you can toy with

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Speaker 1: having a little bit more security late in the season

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Speaker 1: and getting into the playoffs. But I love this Buffalo defense.

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Speaker 1: I think this is an underrated Buffalo defense because you know,

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Speaker 1: as Chris laid out, they don't have a lot of stars.

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Speaker 1: But if you watch this team closely, they've done a

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Speaker 1: good job through the draft. They've added some complimentary veterans

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Speaker 1: in free agency, and this unit just really has a

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Speaker 1: great fit. And I would be very surprised if they

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Speaker 1: took a significant and step back from what they did

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Speaker 1: even last season when they had a rurry rough year.

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Speaker 1: It's time for tweets, giants. A. J. Marshall wants to

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Speaker 1: know who do you think will be elected team captains

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Speaker 1: this year? Wow? Well, last year we had there were five?

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Speaker 1: Is that correct? Then we had five? Last year? I

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Speaker 1: think there were additional ones. There were two each There

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Speaker 1: were two, specially those two special teams to offense to defense.

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Speaker 1: That's how it worked, all right. So I think offensively,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to say it's going to be Eli and Quan. Defensively,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to go Ogul Tree and Antoine Bethet and

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Speaker 1: then special teams. I think whether two And I guess

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Speaker 1: Michael Thomas again, well I brought up yeah, I think

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Speaker 1: that those guys are gonna duplicate. I don't see how

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Speaker 1: there's gonna be massive changes. Do you think Barkley will

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Speaker 1: beat out Solder? I think that's a good question to

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Speaker 1: soldiers with the other offensive captain last here, It's possible,

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Speaker 1: But I think it's also possible that Soldier holds onto that. No, absolutely,

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Speaker 1: I just I think I saw Barkley take a big

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Speaker 1: leadership role in the spring, and I think that he'll

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Speaker 1: hold onto that. But I would not be surprised that

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Speaker 1: if Soldier is one of the captains either. I would

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Speaker 1: be surprised if Antoine Bethet is not a captain. I'm

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Speaker 1: with you, and I think him at Ogo Tree. Though

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Speaker 1: here's another curveball. Because of Peppers taking on such a

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Speaker 1: vocal role, has he earned the respect to some of

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Speaker 1: his teammates, do they maybe push him up the ladder.

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Speaker 1: So you know, I think what we're saying is there's

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Speaker 1: a number of intriguing candidates I think on this year's

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Speaker 1: team that you can point to with offense, defense, and

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Speaker 1: special teams. And this is a player vote, by the way,

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Speaker 1: so the players will pick their guys of course, which

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Speaker 1: is more about what the guys think about one another

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Speaker 1: in the locker room as opposed to from the outside

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Speaker 1: looking in. That's why I mean, we can sit here

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Speaker 1: and tell you this guy's got leadership qualities. That guy

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Speaker 1: has leadership quality as well. How is it Red is

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Speaker 1: stirring within the locker room? I think, but they just

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Speaker 1: what he's done at his previous stints across the NFL, John,

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's done a really good job measuring well

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Speaker 1: with his teammates. So you know, that would be a

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Speaker 1: favorite of mine of the new faces that have come

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Speaker 1: into the mix. And Peppers, I think maybe it under

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Speaker 1: the radar top I like Peppers as as an under

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Speaker 1: the radar guy. All right, final one before we say

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Speaker 1: goodbye here, Lance, If I made you pick right now

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Speaker 1: who would finish in second place in the AFC East,

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Speaker 1: what team would you pick. Oh, I'd go with Buffalo. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so would I. Yeah, I'm with you on that. I'd

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Speaker 1: go with the Bills. I would think Jets third, Dolphins fourth.

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Speaker 1: That's how I would split it up. I think the

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Speaker 1: Dolphins would be content with finishing fourth. To be honest

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Speaker 1: with you, I think the Dolphins might be in thirty

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Speaker 1: seconds a term. Well, I think that if you look

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Speaker 1: at how they've constructed their roster, and I remember when

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Speaker 1: we did the Dolphins spot a few weeks ago, or

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Speaker 1: chose not to construct. Well, that's a polite way of

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Speaker 1: going about it, I guess, is what I'm saying. So

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Speaker 1: the Jets, the Jets could make some noise, I don't.

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Speaker 1: I would not sleep on the Jets. I just I

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Speaker 1: think Buffalo's defense is in a much better position than

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Speaker 1: the Jets because the Jets have a lot of question

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Speaker 1: marks in their secondary and their pass rush quite frankly,

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Speaker 1: outside pass rush, outside pass rush. So I feel a

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Speaker 1: lot better about Buffalo's defense. But if you were to

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Speaker 1: ask me about the offensive side of the ball, while

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Speaker 1: the Jets have some questions on the offensive line, I

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Speaker 1: like some of the weapons they brought. I like the

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Speaker 1: Jamison Crowder edition, I think he could be a nice

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Speaker 1: addition for Sam Donald. He's but you know what a

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Speaker 1: rookie quarter I mean, I know it's a second year quarterback,

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Speaker 1: not a lot of experience. You need a guy like that,

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Speaker 1: you no, no, look, he's gonna help. But I do

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Speaker 1: think they're lacking that big perimeter threat. And that's fair.

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Speaker 1: But you know what, give me first down, first down,

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Speaker 1: first down as opposed to home run touchdown for a

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Speaker 1: young quarterback. I don't think that's a bad situation. Hard

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Speaker 1: to do that when you have a poor offensive line, though,

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Speaker 1: sustained long drives that way, which is why I could

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Speaker 1: get a little rough. You're fair, but I think between

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Speaker 1: Bell is a dump off option. John Crowder is a

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Speaker 1: dump off up. Shane Herndon coming into his own maybe

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Speaker 1: well unfortunately now he suspended for four games was something

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Speaker 1: that they were hoping for. You have guys that you

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Speaker 1: guy that you have to lean on. So I feel

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Speaker 1: like that's at least a bright spot for the Jets.

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Speaker 1: And then then it has been a good position guy

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Speaker 1: Robby Anderson came a little bit too, So yeah, they

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Speaker 1: got options. They have options. They do, all right, folks,

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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us on this or today's That was

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Speaker 1: this week's edition. Today's edition of Big Blue Kickoff Live.

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Speaker 1: John's Huddle's up, Dominics. That heard just saying that the

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Speaker 1: talm one over there alright, So Giants Huddle is us

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Speaker 1: so excited. If you missed the interview with South Palestonio yesterday,

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Speaker 1: it is up on the Giant Huttle podcast this week.

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Speaker 1: Next week here from the coordinators preview and camp. Weave

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Speaker 1: a little thing that we're trying to work on too.

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Speaker 1: For a little special preview at camp, we'll do a

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Speaker 1: little teaser that, uh, the office just got closed on Friday,

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Speaker 1: so we will have no show on Friday this week,

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Speaker 1: so we will try to double up on guests the

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Speaker 1: next couple of days. We'll try to do Vikings and

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Speaker 1: Redskins tomorrow and then Eagles rather yeah, Eagles and Cowboys

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Speaker 1: on Thursday, so the those will be our guest the

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Speaker 1: rest of the week. You're on Big Blue kick Off

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