Speaker 1: What is up, Dolphans And welcome to the Draft Time Podcast.
Speaker 1: I am your host, Travis Wingfield. Busy, Busy show. Today,
Speaker 1: Kyle Krab stops by to help me recap Senior Bowl
Speaker 1: week and the game on Saturday. Plus, we're diving into
Speaker 1: your favorite position. It is officially Churenches Week. Here on
Speaker 1: the show, we'll talk about the offensive tackles.
Speaker 2: Today.
Speaker 1: Free agent's draft prospects are incumbents. You're going to learn
Speaker 1: a lot about that position in this upcoming offseason cycle.
Speaker 1: From the Baptist Hell Studios inside the Baptist Health Training Complex.
Speaker 2: This is the Draft Time Podcast.
Speaker 1: Eye Daffy, Let's go ahead and welcome in my friend
Speaker 1: Kyle Krabs to recap the week that was Inmobile Jordan
Speaker 1: Game six, Kirk Gibson eighty seven World Series, Tiger at
Speaker 1: the two thousand and eight US Open, and Kyle Krabs
Speaker 1: on February third, twenty twenty five talking about the Senior
Speaker 1: Bowl and Shrine Bowl. That is the company that we
Speaker 1: are playing through today. Kyle, my man, All Star week
Speaker 1: got the best of you, but here you are in
Speaker 1: full forest.
Speaker 2: Ready to go. Man.
Speaker 3: How you feel and how we do it? And how
Speaker 3: was the week did you have this prepped ahead of time?
Speaker 2: Yes? I did? Man, all right, Yeah. That's the best
Speaker 2: thing about.
Speaker 3: Traveling for All Star events in January is you get
Speaker 3: a chance to go some warm weather places. You get
Speaker 3: a chance to see a bunch of great football players.
Speaker 3: The worst part is you're going through airports multiple times
Speaker 3: in the month of January and you always get sick.
Speaker 3: And it just so happened that I happened to acquire
Speaker 3: something called influenza A on my way home from the
Speaker 3: Senior Bowl. So I'm glad we are not doing the
Speaker 3: podcast yesterday because I would have been just snoring out
Speaker 3: loud and you get no good football takes.
Speaker 2: But we have good football takes to give, so I'm
Speaker 2: I'm glad we got the sorted out.
Speaker 1: A tradition unlike any other is whenever I go to
Speaker 1: or get back from Indy one or the other, I'm
Speaker 1: going to be sick for the combine, whether I get
Speaker 1: back or where I'm there and blow my nose every
Speaker 1: two minut I saw they're on the floor, so hopefully
Speaker 1: they shoard.
Speaker 2: We avoid that.
Speaker 3: But it sounds like you're getting your immune system boosts
Speaker 3: up here for the Scout and Combine.
Speaker 1: Just less than a month away from now. But I
Speaker 1: want to talk about the week that was in the
Speaker 1: All Star Games, because, like you said, you were out
Speaker 1: there in Fort Worth, you made it down to Mobile, Alabama,
Speaker 1: and man, you got your eyes with some good prospects,
Speaker 1: and I just want to get your general takeaways off
Speaker 1: the top here, Like what popped to you, man, I
Speaker 1: went through my top twelve guys on the podcast on Friday.
Speaker 1: I think it was from the practices. Did the game
Speaker 1: change your list? Like, just tell us about the week
Speaker 1: that was both in Fort Worth and Mobile?
Speaker 2: Can I be honest? Yes, the game's never going to
Speaker 2: change my list, I hope. So that's awesome.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and yeah, I appreciate the game and the game
Speaker 3: is really fun. There's a great pageantry with the game
Speaker 3: down there Mobile, But the barometers of the exhibition nature
Speaker 3: of it, I think are of a lot less value
Speaker 3: than the high degree of intensity practices. So the first
Speaker 3: thing that I walk away from is this Darius Alexander
Speaker 3: Cat from Toledo is just the latest name in what
Speaker 3: has turned into and Draftnicks have been talking about it
Speaker 3: for a couple of months now, but this defensive tackle
Speaker 3: group is hilariously good. I actually think it's a really
Speaker 3: good trench meat and potatoes type of draft class in general,
Speaker 3: when you look at both sides of the ball, which
Speaker 3: is great news for the Dolphins, but I mean, you
Speaker 3: look at Darius Alexander and Walter Nolan, and you look
Speaker 3: at TJ. Sanders and just a handful of guys on
Speaker 3: the defensive side of the football is interior defenders.
Speaker 2: Those guys all popped.
Speaker 3: And then you contrast that to the offensive side of
Speaker 3: the ball, where a guy like Gray's Abel might have
Speaker 3: been the best player here in Mobile coming out of
Speaker 3: being the left tackle for North Dakota State and playing
Speaker 3: all three interior spots and dominating in all three interior
Speaker 3: spots with the jump up and player competition and drills
Speaker 3: that are supposed to have the Dacks get stick stacked
Speaker 3: against you. It's it's a really exciting group and it's
Speaker 3: what you thought it was when you saw the roster
Speaker 3: coming in.
Speaker 2: They did not disappoint.
Speaker 3: So I have a question, a follow up question about that,
Speaker 3: because you know, I've heard that term a few times now,
Speaker 3: meet and potatoes type of draft.
Speaker 2: You've mentioned it.
Speaker 1: My buddy Kevin Duran loves to talk about meeting potatoes drafts,
Speaker 1: and you know, this is trench week here on the
Speaker 1: Draft Time podcast, talking about tackles today after we let
Speaker 1: you go, We'll do interior offensive line tomorrow and defensive
Speaker 1: tackles on Friday. Those are positions that traditionally outside of
Speaker 1: offensive tackle obviously, which is you know, in line to
Speaker 1: go number one any given year and round out with
Speaker 1: seven or eight guys in the first round at that position,
Speaker 1: but guards and centers and even defensive tackles sometimes that
Speaker 1: group can fall a little bit. How does the depth
Speaker 1: of those two spots impact team's ability to possibly get
Speaker 1: starters on Day two, you know, back end of Day two.
Speaker 1: And you know, as I look at this offensive line
Speaker 1: class to your point, both in free agency and the draft,
Speaker 1: like you know, last year the Dolphins went the continuity
Speaker 1: route in terms of bringing back Rob Jones and Leam
Speaker 1: Miichenberg was there and Isaiah Win came back. Do you
Speaker 1: think that teams have foresight to say, like, hey, next
Speaker 1: year's class is pretty dangloaded. With those two spots, we
Speaker 1: can kind of, you know, get ourselves a bridge situation
Speaker 1: and get onto that you like. And that's a lot
Speaker 1: of questions for you, But do you get on saying, Kyle, like,
Speaker 1: does that make sense?
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think the depth, particularly on day two, uh, for
Speaker 3: both of these position groups that you're talking about, is
Speaker 3: it's a very real thing. And I think that may
Speaker 3: have a trickle down effect into or I guess a
Speaker 3: trickle up effect into free agency. Where you saw last
Speaker 3: year teams were very reluctant to draft into your offensive
Speaker 3: linemen early right, it was like Graham Barton went in
Speaker 3: the first round. Then you had some guys who you
Speaker 3: saw go in the first few picks in the early
Speaker 3: second round, and then it kind of got quiet again
Speaker 3: until the middle of the third round. And that's because
Speaker 3: teams spore spending thirteen fourteen, fifteen, sixteen million dollars on
Speaker 3: veteran players in free agency to come in or. I
Speaker 3: think this is the inverse of that. I think you
Speaker 3: see just how deep it is in these spots in
Speaker 3: the draft, and you may not see the same urgency
Speaker 3: to spend dollars like crazy. So I think the ways
Speaker 3: in which you play the board on an annual basis
Speaker 3: every year is unique. But I think this is in
Speaker 3: some ways the inverse of what last year was, and
Speaker 3: it'll be really interesting in six or seven weeks when
Speaker 3: the league county year open to see if the league
Speaker 3: tells us what they think about the draft with how
Speaker 3: they choose to spend on players that are already in
Speaker 3: the league. We're going to cover this this week on
Speaker 3: the show and for a couple of months leading into
Speaker 3: the draft and a free agency. But if you could,
Speaker 3: Kyle from the Senior Boy, I know you did like
Speaker 3: an All Star Game only mock draft on Touchdown Miami. Correct,
Speaker 3: that's where you hosted that, Okay, so you can find
Speaker 3: that on Touchdown Miamio. Kyle loves his classes just from
Speaker 3: that All Star week alone, so he's very bullish on
Speaker 3: the draft. But if you could give our fans here,
Speaker 3: our listeners some day two offensive line options that you
Speaker 3: like as fits in Miami, because you know, I think
Speaker 3: that when you're talking about the tackle spot, like that's
Speaker 3: obviously always in play at thirteen, even if you have
Speaker 3: Austin Jackson and Patrick Paul, just because the value and
Speaker 3: the versatility of those guys. But in terms of interior
Speaker 3: guys where that's a little bit more of where Miami's
Speaker 3: range has been in the past at that position, especially
Speaker 3: in this scheme, in this offensive tree goes back for
Speaker 3: years without taking those guys like in the first But
Speaker 3: give me a couple of names that pop off the
Speaker 3: tape there for you in that part of the draft
Speaker 3: that could be possibly selected in the second round, third round,
Speaker 3: and maybe start opening day from Miami. Yeah, if Gray's
Speaker 3: Able didn't play his way into the first round of
Speaker 3: the Senior Bowl, I think he would be the home
Speaker 3: run choice because they love positional versatilities. Guys played tackle.
Speaker 3: He's capable and keep his head above water. But the
Speaker 3: ceiling at guard feels significantly high. And it depends on
Speaker 3: what kind of body type they want to where do
Speaker 3: you want to improve the players that are of the
Speaker 3: arc type in which you've tried to be or do
Speaker 3: you want to bring something different and bring some new
Speaker 3: DNA into that position group. Because if you want to
Speaker 3: bring some new DNA into that position group, maybe Tyler
Speaker 3: Booker from Alabama I think is a strong option as
Speaker 3: a top fifty pick three hundred and sixty five, three
Speaker 3: fifty two. As far as for if you'd like a
Speaker 3: contrast on just the point of attack power skills that
Speaker 3: a guy has at three point fifty two, that's pretty athletic.
Speaker 3: That's a name that I would point to Tate Ratledge
Speaker 3: from Georgia at six six, three twenty. I think Anthony
Speaker 3: Belton from NC State was at the Senior Bowls played tackle.
Speaker 3: I thought he did a really nice job with the
Speaker 3: limited looks that he got inside a guard too, So
Speaker 3: I think that's a player. I don't think you can
Speaker 3: completely dismiss. Miles Frasier from LSU's a red shirt senior.
Speaker 3: He's played his log starts at left guard, right guard,
Speaker 3: and right tackle throughout the course of his career at LSU,
Speaker 3: and he had a great week in mobile at the
Speaker 3: Senior Bowl, including a day in which he almost worked
Speaker 3: exclusively at right tackle. So that's another player who's maybe
Speaker 3: not a great ideal athlete, but the past protection IQ
Speaker 3: in which he has, and he's big enough and physical
Speaker 3: enough at three twenty four verified he can create some
Speaker 3: movement at the point of attack.
Speaker 2: Those are all names that.
Speaker 3: I think would be really attractive options where he'd walk
Speaker 3: away from adding any of them and say, Okay, I
Speaker 3: could see what the vision is here.
Speaker 2: I think this player could potentially start for us. You
Speaker 2: think Tyler Booker can survived around two.
Speaker 3: I was very surprised to see how high Daniel Jeremiah
Speaker 3: was on him to have him. I think he had
Speaker 3: him going ten in his first mock draft, and the
Speaker 3: DJ mocks are always kind of ahead of the curve
Speaker 3: as far as where the league's at. There are some
Speaker 3: land mines throughout the twenties that I think would be
Speaker 3: you'd be surprised to see him make him through all
Speaker 3: of them. But I think he's not a position flexible player.
Speaker 3: I think he's a guard exclusive. So you see really
Speaker 3: talented players that are at devalued positions, they slide from
Speaker 3: time to time. And would not dismiss it for Tyler
Speaker 3: Booker despite the fact that I do think he'd be
Speaker 3: pushing it, and as things currently stand, he's a player
Speaker 3: that's about thirtieth on my personal big board.
Speaker 2: Okay, that sounds good.
Speaker 1: I was thinking like Graham Barton, But to your point,
Speaker 1: he kicked in the center and played really good for
Speaker 1: the Bucks this year at that position, which is obviously
Speaker 1: a very valued position in the league. Right now, Kyle,
Speaker 1: before you go, just real quick, we've seen so many
Speaker 1: debates about the quarterback position down a mobile, people talking
Speaker 1: about a certain quarterback making himself a first rounder, Others
Speaker 1: saying like what were you watching when you were there?
Speaker 1: And then also a Jaln Milrow, I'm curious to get
Speaker 1: your takes on those two guys. And then also because
Speaker 1: you've been ahead of the curve on this guy that
Speaker 1: popped off this week, Jack besh Man, what a stud
Speaker 1: he is. If you can talk about those quarterbacks, Jack,
Speaker 1: and then maybe anybody else in the skill groups that
Speaker 1: you liked, whether it's Mason Taylor, Elijah, like, give me
Speaker 1: whatever you take from the skill groups is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jack Batch.
Speaker 3: Really cool to see him end his week the way
Speaker 3: that he did with the touchdown in the game, and
Speaker 3: obviously his family going through such difficult time with them
Speaker 3: losing his other on New Year's Day in New Orleans.
Speaker 3: But he was awesome all week long. Every day of practice.
Speaker 3: It was big play Betch. There was at least one
Speaker 3: play down the field, some contested catch opportunity through contact
Speaker 3: despite the fact that he stacked the guy and had
Speaker 3: a bunch of separation and the throw pulls him back
Speaker 3: into contact and makes the play. As far as the
Speaker 3: quarterbacks go, it was not a great week for Jalen Milroe.
Speaker 3: I think there's probably more questions for Milroe now than
Speaker 3: there were going into the week, and that's never really
Speaker 3: where you want to be when you're attending an All
Speaker 3: Star event like that. But just looked like it was
Speaker 3: a lot of information for him to have to process
Speaker 3: in real time. So I think he's he's a player
Speaker 3: that I think is losing ground. I think based off
Speaker 3: his traits. If he told me he still went in
Speaker 3: the middle portion of Day two, I wouldn't be surprised,
Speaker 3: But I don't think this is a player that you're
Speaker 3: looking looking at in those first few picks in the
Speaker 3: second round of the team bypasses a quarterback but needs one.
Speaker 3: I'd be really surprised having this kind of audition in
Speaker 3: this environment if he ended up getting coveted in that regard.
Speaker 1: Kyle, you went about five minutes longer than I want
Speaker 1: you to. But that's just your thoroughness there of being
Speaker 1: the best in the entire business at this The host
Speaker 1: of Lockdown Dolphins podcast, locked on NFL scouting, author of
Speaker 1: Touchdown Miami. He is, of course the NFL Draft lead
Speaker 1: for the thirty third team at Kyle crabs on social
Speaker 1: Do you have a new big boarder a mock coming
Speaker 1: up anytime soon?
Speaker 2: Kyle, it's funny you.
Speaker 3: Say that we just had a mock that dropped a
Speaker 3: couple hours ago over at the thirty thirteen on Monday,
Speaker 3: and then later this week. I believe on Thursday, we're
Speaker 3: gonna have a top one twenty five big board that's
Speaker 3: out as well.
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Speaker 4: Kyle.
Speaker 1: Appreciate your time to demand feel better. We'll see you
Speaker 1: in about a month, buddy. Thanks Treves, and away he goes.
Speaker 1: Fun chat there with Kyle. We're gonna take our first
Speaker 1: break right there, come back and debut the Trench Week
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Speaker 2: Trench Week.
Speaker 1: Let's go ahead and jump right into this tackle capsule
Speaker 1: because I'm gonna talk about like twenty five players here
Speaker 1: from draft prospects, free agent picks, and our own incumbents.
Speaker 1: So there's a lot to get to. So let's go
Speaker 1: ahead and just jump right in, starting with the incumbents
Speaker 1: for the Miami Dolphins and in general. Was there a
Speaker 1: deeper position on the field for the Miami Dolphins in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty fourth in the tackles, I mean, they needed
Speaker 1: every bit of that room and then some tapping into
Speaker 1: in season acquisition Jackson Carmen in a game that amounted
Speaker 1: to a playoff game before the playoffs, right in the
Speaker 1: Houston game, and he got proper washed in that game.
Speaker 1: I don't know what else you could expect from him, though,
Speaker 1: I will say I was surprised to see Chris Greer
Speaker 1: eviscerate him at his end of season press conference. That's
Speaker 1: what the tape called for. He was not NFL ready
Speaker 1: in that game. This is a reason, however, that you
Speaker 1: need to consistently invest into positions with youth. And that's
Speaker 1: no more true than on the offensive line, where misses
Speaker 1: are vast in terms of the evaluation process, injuries are
Speaker 1: even more prevalent, and you're physically outmatched one hundred percent
Speaker 1: of the time. There is not an offensive lineman who
Speaker 1: athletically measures up against any guy he faces on the
Speaker 1: other side of the ball on any given stap across
Speaker 1: the entire league, right, We saw it all around the playoffs.
Speaker 1: Critical players are down, rookies are stepping into the critical
Speaker 1: roles across the offensive line. That's the nature of playing
Speaker 1: into January. I know, we don't know much about that.
Speaker 1: And for the Dolphins, just making it to Thanksgiving with
Speaker 1: a healthy brood has been a challenge. Austin Jackson suffers
Speaker 1: a freak injury getting wiped out sideswiped on a lateral
Speaker 1: play at the end of the Buffalo game, and you
Speaker 1: can really track a regression in the run game production
Speaker 1: to that exact moment. Hell, that was the best ball.
Speaker 1: That was the best we've run the ball. You know,
Speaker 1: even just throwing the numbers aside. You know our ability
Speaker 1: to gash the Bills defense for seven eight nine yards
Speaker 1: a pop throughout that game and what it did for
Speaker 1: the passing offense. I'll say that was the best running
Speaker 1: game showing we've had in the McDaniel era. And I
Speaker 1: mean before that too, because this era has been the
Speaker 1: best run game we've had since Ronnie and Ricky, Like
Speaker 1: it goes that far back. You lose to ron for
Speaker 1: just two games on the stat sheet. But the truth
Speaker 1: is he was up and down in a few more games,
Speaker 1: battling through that knee injury that he's had countless surgeries on,
Speaker 1: and he's endured the pain and the way he gets
Speaker 1: his body ready for a couple of years now. For
Speaker 1: I mean, that guy has been through the ringer in
Speaker 1: terms of what a human body can withstand and the
Speaker 1: injuries and the rigors of playing on the offensive line
Speaker 1: for twelve years, and yet he battles and gave us
Speaker 1: everything he had and finished a game in Week eight
Speaker 1: team when we were out of the playoffs. I mean,
Speaker 1: somebody else could take note on that, right, One of
Speaker 1: the smartest players I've ever talked to might be number
Speaker 1: one in that category. Then you got a super super
Speaker 1: promising showing from Patrick Paul in brief action in place
Speaker 1: of Toront Armstead, enough so that I think if you
Speaker 1: go into twenty twenty five with him written in Penn
Speaker 1: at left tackle, I would feel very good about that.
Speaker 1: Another reason Paul was a smart pick, and I know
Speaker 1: guard was a bigger need. But like Zach Frazier, doesn't
Speaker 1: change the way twenty twenty five plays out. But if
Speaker 1: Paul hits like he looks like he will, getting that
Speaker 1: player at the cost of a rookie contract for what
Speaker 1: you normally pay for left tackles in the open market.
Speaker 1: That the relief you get money in financials there gives
Speaker 1: you the room to buy all the frickin guards that
Speaker 1: you want. That's why that as smart. I thought Kendall
Speaker 1: Lamb did an awesome job when he was called upon
Speaker 1: really throughout his Miami tenure, and he's a great example
Speaker 1: of it working with some teams and systems versus not.
Speaker 1: I thought Kendall's best football happened here in Miami over
Speaker 1: his ten year career, and he mentioned when he resigned
Speaker 1: this would be his last, so we have to assume
Speaker 1: he's retiring. Keon Smith, you'd imagine, will be ready to
Speaker 1: roll by camps given that he was hurt last August.
Speaker 1: And that's what you dealt with in twenty twenty four, right.
Speaker 1: I think twenty twenty five projects well for a lot
Speaker 1: of these guys. And the interesting thing about this draft
Speaker 1: class is there are a lot of guys that played
Speaker 1: one spot but can project elsewhere, and we've seen this
Speaker 1: team find different ways to use lineman. Nobody loves to
Speaker 1: take tackles and convert them to guards like the Miami
Speaker 1: Dolphins because of the athletic profile that tackles have and
Speaker 1: how you have to play in this offense to run
Speaker 1: off the football and be able to you know, out
Speaker 1: athlete people. And I get this pushback on social about
Speaker 1: stop taking athletes on the offensive line, start getting more
Speaker 1: strength and size, and like, I agree to a certain point,
Speaker 1: but do you not understand how this offense works. You
Speaker 1: clearly don't, because to execute this offense, you have to
Speaker 1: run off the football and you have to be able
Speaker 1: to threaten a five technique with the reach block from
Speaker 1: the right guard. You have to be able to do
Speaker 1: that stuff for this offense to function the way it does.
Speaker 1: And I don't want to strip this offense down and
Speaker 1: be less of what it is. I just want to
Speaker 1: add other elements and curveballs and changeups to us. Don't
Speaker 1: take away what makes it good and fun when Tua
Speaker 1: is in there, just add to it.
Speaker 2: And we're at that point.
Speaker 1: We can do that across the league with the Niners,
Speaker 1: the Packers, us, Like, you know, we signed Connor Williams
Speaker 1: and no one else played him at center until we did,
Speaker 1: and he was a damn good one. Austin Jackson has
Speaker 1: played everywhere, and he was a guy that went from
Speaker 1: guard back off the tackle. Keon Smith started playing guard
Speaker 1: last preseason, so there's always unique solutions and I'm curious
Speaker 1: to see what the makeup of the room looks like
Speaker 1: next year and how they project guys at different positions.
Speaker 1: Let's go back to the players here real quick. To
Speaker 1: Ron Armstead, if this was the last ride, big fella, well,
Speaker 1: it was an honor.
Speaker 2: I learned so.
Speaker 1: Much football from him, just in casual conversations or in
Speaker 1: press conferences and official capacities. He was always so happy
Speaker 1: to our articulate the craft, and I don't think it's
Speaker 1: at all crazy to say this. In fact, it's my
Speaker 1: opinion that this was his best year as a Miami Dolphin.
Speaker 1: He makes a lot of really really good players look
Speaker 1: silly and average in both the run game and in
Speaker 1: pass pro. He has a couple of reps where he
Speaker 1: got beat one on one against some of the best
Speaker 1: in the world, and that's what was asked of him
Speaker 1: week in and week out, was to beat the best
Speaker 1: rushers in the NFL. But Tran was built to play
Speaker 1: in this system and it was fun as hell to
Speaker 1: watch him do it. He'll be tough to replace if
Speaker 1: he does call it a career, and if he does,
Speaker 1: I think he belongs in Canton. Number seventy three, Austin Jackson.
Speaker 1: I have a difficult time explaining the value through words
Speaker 1: that I think that Austin Jackson provides, and just how
Speaker 1: much I enjoy covering him. He can articulate the vision,
Speaker 1: the plan, the technique to put all in motion from
Speaker 1: an offensive line as well as anybody I've been around
Speaker 1: besides Tron Armstead, and knowing Austin's inquisitive nature, I doubt
Speaker 1: there was anybody that took more from Tistad in his
Speaker 1: time here than aj did. He was outstanding this year,
Speaker 1: particularly on those outside runs. Has really settled in as
Speaker 1: a lockdown pass protector of the last two years too.
Speaker 2: And then there's just the physical element that he provides.
Speaker 1: I think he's kind of the shining image of what
Speaker 1: this offensive line needs perpetually going forward, This elite ability
Speaker 1: to get on the edge and win with athleticism but
Speaker 1: also a bit of nasty to you. Someone's gonna push
Speaker 1: your wig back. I cannot wait to get seventy three
Speaker 1: back into the fold. Patrick Paul Number fifty two. The
Speaker 1: physical complement of skills I thought made Chris Greer's words
Speaker 1: on draft night prove true. He can be fundamentally wrong
Speaker 1: on a rep and still win because of the rare
Speaker 1: physical traits. So if we just saw that, it would
Speaker 1: be a positive rookie season. But he took that and
Speaker 1: he developed his game. I thought his weight distribution was
Speaker 1: vastly improved, his hand placement, ability to operate on an
Speaker 1: island against a wide nine technique, all of that looked
Speaker 1: like a man that put the work in from his
Speaker 1: last college game to his first pro game. Then there's
Speaker 1: the wipeout blocks, the way this offense empowers him to
Speaker 1: utilize all that athletic ability. I cannot wait to watch
Speaker 1: him with a full year under his belt. One of
Speaker 1: the biggest upside pieces we have on this roster, Number
Speaker 1: seventy Kendall. Lamb brief with Kendall here, given his previously
Speaker 1: declared intentions to retire, I thought he was exactly what
Speaker 1: you hope to have in a swing tackle like quintessential
Speaker 1: swing tackle stuff. Veteran seen everything this league can offer
Speaker 1: from multiple tactical revolutions played both sides, could do it
Speaker 1: in a pinch, could practice at left tackle all week
Speaker 1: and slide over to right tackle on game day. Big
Speaker 1: voice in the locker room. I have zero qualms with
Speaker 1: anything Kendall did in twenty twenty four and the role
Speaker 1: that he played now. Was he a great fit in
Speaker 1: the system. Did the run game really struggle with him?
Speaker 1: The answer is no and yes to the second question.
Speaker 1: This is why it's so paramount to draft and develop
Speaker 1: players at the spot and why they desperately need to
Speaker 1: start getting returns from guys like Ryan Hayes, Andrew Meyer,
Speaker 1: Braden Daniels. It is so tough to get guys up
Speaker 1: to speed in this complex system that you need a
Speaker 1: pipeline locked and loaded for guys that can do it.
Speaker 1: Kendall just wasn't cut for some of the outside zone
Speaker 1: stuff that Austin could get to. It made the offense
Speaker 1: different right when you have playmakers at offensive tackled this
Speaker 1: offense hums. It's a position that's as important as any
Speaker 1: on the team besides quarterback, and substantially more important than guard.
Speaker 1: Like if tackle was a ten on the one to
Speaker 1: ten scale, I would say guard is probably a three,
Speaker 1: and center is like an eight or nine. Brandon Daniels
Speaker 1: number sixty six It's easy to see the fit when
Speaker 1: you watch what he did in college and across his
Speaker 1: limited pro tape in the preseason, combination blocks in the
Speaker 1: running game, getting to the second level, the profile out
Speaker 1: of Utah in twenty twenty three, I mean, his Aris
Speaker 1: scorecard was all green, sub five second forty yard dash,
Speaker 1: ninety seven percent tile are better in all the time speeds,
Speaker 1: and eighty eight percent tile or better in the vertical,
Speaker 1: the broad jump, the shuttle, the three cone.
Speaker 2: So he's an elite mover, but he's bounced around.
Speaker 1: The last year he signed here off the Dallas practice
Speaker 1: squad listed just two hundred and ninety seven pounds, so
Speaker 1: he has some sand to add to those pants. These
Speaker 1: are the kind of investments I'm talking about, super low risk.
Speaker 1: It costs you nothing to have this player in here.
Speaker 1: See if you can't train him up, and maybe you
Speaker 1: cultivated a cheap asset that can prevent you from starting
Speaker 1: Jackson Carmen in what was essentially a playoff game. What
Speaker 1: this room needs, I mean, we covered it, but further
Speaker 1: investment into the youth at the position. Don't rest on
Speaker 1: Paul Jackson, Hayes and Daniels. Invest in other youngins and
Speaker 1: if a starter. If it's a starter in round one
Speaker 1: and we move somebody inside, so be it. If it's
Speaker 1: a third rounder, you have plans for playing in twenty five,
Speaker 1: that's fine too. Or no plans for playing in twenty five,
Speaker 1: we should say just keep identifying fits and taking swings.
Speaker 1: It needs physicality, but honestly, with Pat and Austin, I
Speaker 1: don't think there's any shortage of that at all. I
Speaker 1: think a veteran swing tackle your next Kendall Lamb is
Speaker 1: one of the biggest needs on the roster just because
Speaker 1: of Jackson's injury history fluky or not. But you're in
Speaker 1: a good position to have to not go spend crazy
Speaker 1: at the spot to round out the room additional assets
Speaker 1: here on this group Ryan Hayes, the former seventh round
Speaker 1: draft pick and Bidon Matos, a international Pathway Program player.
Speaker 1: Normally we take a break right there because this podcast
Speaker 1: is going to be so long. We are going to
Speaker 1: roll right into the free agents and talk about guys
Speaker 1: that could fit the need we just expressed here on
Speaker 1: the show. And it's a difficult position to work out
Speaker 1: here just because I don't think we're in the market
Speaker 1: for a starter. Although if you draft want to move somebody.
Speaker 1: I'm definitely okay with that, but I think we're very
Speaker 1: much in the market for a veteran swing guy. But
Speaker 1: there's a fine line between a third tackle that comes
Speaker 1: in with the belief that he can compete for a
Speaker 1: job and a guy that just understands that he's here
Speaker 1: to be that third guy. Kendall Lamb is a perfect
Speaker 1: example of that. Nobody's gonna beat out Pat or Austin
Speaker 1: again unless you draft someone high and move Austin to guard,
Speaker 1: and that would just give you more depth and more
Speaker 1: options when injuries do occur. So we're not working up
Speaker 1: in this exercise, Ronnie Stanley, right, we're not spending time
Speaker 1: on that. We are spending time on Charlie Heck, the
Speaker 1: first guy in our athbetical order here. This would be
Speaker 1: your Kendall Lamb replacement. He doesn't hit the metrics usually
Speaker 1: required to play here. But you're paying the cost for
Speaker 1: a player like this for development. The price tag Deniers
Speaker 1: paid for four years drafted by the Texans, logged thirteen
Speaker 1: hundred snaps there, moved on to the Niners before after
Speaker 1: the Texans and gets one hundred and seventeen snaps.
Speaker 2: This year.
Speaker 1: Nothing special, nothing terrible. He's a little slow to react
Speaker 1: to good inside rush moves. He has a real issue
Speaker 1: staying attached on blocks, and I think his hand placement
Speaker 1: leaves a lot to be desired. My conclusion for him
Speaker 1: was minimum type of signing. I think this is the
Speaker 1: type of player you'd pair with a rookie to compete
Speaker 1: for the job, along with Keon Smith, to possibly round
Speaker 1: out your three and four tackle positions. Joseph noteboom Rams
Speaker 1: fans reactions to him last year are like Dolphins fans
Speaker 1: with Jesse Davis.
Speaker 2: So a virtur eyes.
Speaker 1: But I see a player with really good feet and
Speaker 1: a nasty finishing temperament. I kind of wonder if you
Speaker 1: might sign him here to play guard. Maybe he's three
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty pounds. He's played both tackle spots. I
Speaker 1: think he really understands angles of attack. He has a
Speaker 1: bunch of little tricks of the trade to gain small advantages.
Speaker 1: He's a big time fit for the conclusion here, fires
Speaker 1: off the football, sub five speed guy, experience in the system.
Speaker 1: He's a starter, I think for I think because of
Speaker 1: the dearth of talent in the league right now, he
Speaker 1: is a starting tackle. So he probably signs for, but
Speaker 1: I think you could sign him and have the concept
Speaker 1: of either kicking he or Austin inside. I think I
Speaker 1: like note Boom at right guard. Probably circle back on
Speaker 1: his next contract as a swing tackle, but this could
Speaker 1: be a nice little multiple problem solutions starting guard and
Speaker 1: third tackle type problem here again is injury history. He
Speaker 1: missed a lot of games. Shoot, maybe he has a
Speaker 1: backup for that cost and cheap, you know, because of
Speaker 1: all the injury history and the lack of recent production
Speaker 1: on tape. The next guy is my favorite of the group.
Speaker 1: Spoiler Josh Jones requisite measurables in terms of getting off
Speaker 1: the football. Another one of these toolsy guys that did
Speaker 1: not develop over his rookie contract, and honestly, the fact
Speaker 1: that Baltimore dealt for him tells me a lot. When
Speaker 1: good teams trade for players, I usually like that player
Speaker 1: a little bit more. They used him as an extra
Speaker 1: offensive lineman this year and six man packages, and he
Speaker 1: was moving people off the football, plays in the good
Speaker 1: pad shelf and drives edges off the football and condemn
Speaker 1: them inside on pen concepts. His feet are outstanding, and
Speaker 1: I think the more reps he gets, the more the
Speaker 1: fact that they are hardwired together will look like it's seamless,
Speaker 1: like the punch with the feet to move to keep yourself,
Speaker 1: you keep your base in position to match that punch.
Speaker 1: He's patient with the punch, doesn't really get overextended. He
Speaker 1: can sift through his run game assignments and stay in
Speaker 1: control and on balance and chip without getting knocked off
Speaker 1: his track to go attack a second level defender. His
Speaker 1: redirect game inside is awesome. My conclusion here, I'm really
Speaker 1: curious to see what his market looks like, but I
Speaker 1: would not mind throwing a good little investment his way
Speaker 1: with the promise of the swing job and if you
Speaker 1: impress enough, we'll move some guys around to get you
Speaker 1: on the top five. I am sold on this dude,
Speaker 1: my top free agent option. I sent it to my
Speaker 1: buddy Eric Smith. It was great contact for I believe
Speaker 1: Five Reason Sports is where he posts his content to
Speaker 1: and he was like, how the hell was Josh Jones
Speaker 1: a backup last year? He should be starting in this
Speaker 1: league given all the lack of talent across the league.
Speaker 1: Speaking of lack of talent, Matt Pert, there's a theme here, right.
Speaker 1: He plays a lot of his stands and explodes off
Speaker 1: the football with pretty good footwork in the running game,
Speaker 1: but he is an unmitigated disaster in pass protection.
Speaker 2: He's a heel.
Speaker 1: Clicker when sliding and transitioning, more of a catcher in
Speaker 1: terms of his hand and punch. His anchor stinks. The
Speaker 1: feet go dead on contact. I'm good, Doug. There are
Speaker 1: no redeemable qualities here. Usually I point out a bad
Speaker 1: player having some qualities that can be developed, and this
Speaker 1: position is the one that produces the most rookie contract
Speaker 1: bus but also more guys that can turn it around.
Speaker 2: To me, there's nothing here with this player. Also, Dan Skipper,
Speaker 2: I was.
Speaker 1: Curious to see if his game matched all the enthusiasm
Speaker 1: over his receiving prowess and that Ben Jonson offense. But yeah,
Speaker 1: he's just a depth piece and I don't think he
Speaker 1: matches anything we do here the tackle position. And I
Speaker 1: don't think he's a good convert option. Slow, not quick,
Speaker 1: not particularly efficient with his technique. My rankings I have
Speaker 1: Matt Pert at number five, Dan Skipper at number four,
Speaker 1: Charlie Heck at number three, Joseph Noteboom at number two,
Speaker 1: and Josh Jones at number one. Huge drop off after
Speaker 1: number two, then an even bigger drop off like Billy
Speaker 1: Bean Brad Pitt Oakland A's fifty feet a crap drop
Speaker 1: off after number three. I can see a world where
Speaker 1: Heck makes some sense. I cannot get on board with
Speaker 1: Skip or Pert Jones will have me giddy, and I'd
Speaker 1: be pretty happy with Joseph note Boom too. I had
Speaker 1: Cam Robinson in here until I watch the tape. That's
Speaker 1: a starter. He's gonna get paid big somewhere, just like
Speaker 1: Ronnie Stanley, Alaric Jackson and Jedrick Wills, even if they're
Speaker 1: not that good. I don't think the guard conversion works
Speaker 1: because somebody will pay these guys like starring tackles and
Speaker 1: they're not about to turn that money down. I also,
Speaker 1: uh yeah, those are the names. Morgan Moses and Tyrant
Speaker 1: Smith also did not get work ups. All right, first
Speaker 1: break right there, come back on Trench Week and talk
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Speaker 1: Alrighty, here we go for the tackles a group that
Speaker 1: I think we are going to be heavily interested in
Speaker 1: this coming draft cycle, whether it's to play tackle, to
Speaker 1: convert to guard, or force one of our guys inside
Speaker 1: to play guard. This is a great crop of players
Speaker 1: to choose from, and hopefully the fact that there are
Speaker 1: so many of them after last year had so many
Speaker 1: of them, can push one of these guys into Round two.
Speaker 1: That's the ideal scenario we shall see.
Speaker 2: Though.
Speaker 1: Let's go ahead and talk about this. I moved Marcus
Speaker 1: bow from Purdue inside to the interior portion. I just
Speaker 1: think he fits better there. And also reminder, the work
Speaker 1: is far from complete, but I have worked up six
Speaker 1: offensive tackles and I'm going to tell you about them
Speaker 1: right now. Josh Simmons from Ohio State is my top tackle.
Speaker 1: Go ahead, tell me I'm stupid. I debated this for
Speaker 1: a minute, but I'm going with the tape, and the
Speaker 1: tape is the best in the class. If he didn't
Speaker 1: tear his ACL back in October, I think teams would
Speaker 1: have him in the running for OT one.
Speaker 2: He still might be.
Speaker 1: I think he's the best blend of technical refinement with
Speaker 1: plus athletic ability. He is a knee bender to the
Speaker 1: max with quick enough feet that stay active, and an
Speaker 1: effective punch that allows him to naturally absorb power and
Speaker 1: sink into stalemates against rushers where it just like ends
Speaker 1: the rep. He drives guys off the football and with
Speaker 1: that plus hand placement shows up in his run tape too.
Speaker 2: He is awesome, awesome, awesome player.
Speaker 1: I think he's a top twenty pick, but I would
Speaker 1: say he's possibly OT one. My OT two might be
Speaker 1: a surprise to some as well. Armand Memboo from Missouri.
Speaker 1: I think he could be OT one in a different
Speaker 1: class man. How much were these last two classes of
Speaker 1: offensive linemen needed across the NFL? Just rolling through tackle talent,
Speaker 1: this is probably the best outside zone tackle in the
Speaker 1: entire class. Explosives all get out, smooth weight transfer, and
Speaker 1: able to lean onto his blocks and get his feet
Speaker 1: right on the fly as he kind of works through stuff,
Speaker 1: super comfortable into his set, good range on the kickslide,
Speaker 1: and the paired ability to process inside slants and cut
Speaker 1: them off with his athletic ability is really impressive. He
Speaker 1: locks guys out better than anybody else in the class
Speaker 1: and keeps them off of his frame like there's a
Speaker 1: lot of blocks where there is him and then thirty
Speaker 1: four inch arms, and then the other guy across him
Speaker 1: where he's not allowing them into his chest plate. Really
Speaker 1: good hand positioning and control upon contact. He can reach
Speaker 1: block anybody at any position in my other alignment, and
Speaker 1: has a tape full of Aren Brewer type of blocks
Speaker 1: out in space. He's going to wind up with one
Speaker 1: of the offenses of the Shanahan Tree, the Dolphins, the Packers,
Speaker 1: the Niners, the Rams, and be a stud from day one.
Speaker 1: He might be the easiest guard convert in the class too,
Speaker 1: because of his height and pad level. He's six foot three,
Speaker 1: but the thirty four inch arms make me think he'll
Speaker 1: play tackle from the jump. He's a top fifteen pick
Speaker 1: for my money, my number three tackle. I could easily
Speaker 1: make the case he's number one, but Will Campbell from LSU.
Speaker 1: There's not a better technician in the entire class in
Speaker 1: terms of understanding of the relationship between his body and
Speaker 1: what's required for the type of rush he's facing, and
Speaker 1: how to execute a handful of moves to thwart the
Speaker 1: rush move that he sees. He's not an athletic as
Speaker 1: some of the other guys you get in this class,
Speaker 1: and certainly not Makai Beckton type coming out. And I
Speaker 1: don't think Joe Alt was those things either, and he
Speaker 1: went number five overall and is a great player for
Speaker 1: the Chargers already. But grip strength, the little tricks, the
Speaker 1: trade that he understands about how to grab certain areas
Speaker 1: and control guys, his ability to get to the anchor
Speaker 1: but then keep the feet going. He can articulate the
Speaker 1: art of pass protection, and he plays with the real
Speaker 1: main streak off the football, and he has the heaviest
Speaker 1: hands in this entire class. I think he's a top
Speaker 1: ten pick all day long. Number four is Kelvin Banks,
Speaker 1: Junior out of Texas. He reminds me so much of
Speaker 1: Austin Jackson, and I'm trying to peg at which stage
Speaker 1: of Austin's career I'm thinking of here, because Austin came
Speaker 1: in as a twenty year old handful of college starts,
Speaker 1: missed that year with the bone marrow transplant, started slow
Speaker 1: because of it, and became a cornerstone tackle by the
Speaker 1: age of twenty three. Now Banks turns twenty one in March,
Speaker 1: so I think that's kind of the same timeline. I
Speaker 1: think he's probably just a peg below Austin right now,
Speaker 1: but that's a good sign for his long term projection.
Speaker 1: I think there's some work to be done in pass
Speaker 1: pro where things aren't always matched up in terms of
Speaker 1: the timing. He can catch sometimes a post to punching,
Speaker 1: but my goodness, the way he runs guys off the football,
Speaker 1: the way he can reach a four eye from the
Speaker 1: weak side to wall that player off, or get out
Speaker 1: in space and go get the safe on outside zone.
Speaker 1: I think he has the chops to play guard too,
Speaker 1: So he's a guy you could draft and just try
Speaker 1: to figure out the best five you have because of
Speaker 1: his flexibility and the way we prioritize that so explosive.
Speaker 1: I feel like he's pretty far below the top three
Speaker 1: right now. There's a bit of a drop off there,
Speaker 1: but I would not be surprised if he was the
Speaker 1: best tackle from this class in three or four years.
Speaker 1: The same I think could be true of number five
Speaker 1: Josh Connelly from Oregon, perhaps the easiest mover in passpro
Speaker 1: in the entire class.
Speaker 2: All these guys are going to be good players.
Speaker 1: I think incredible ankle flexition, weight transition, pad level, knee bending.
Speaker 1: He can explode into his rep and stop the rusher
Speaker 1: in his tracks. He played both sides. He's a combination
Speaker 1: block phenom, something we do a lot of, where you
Speaker 1: catch at the front line and climb to the second level.
Speaker 1: He does everything with his feet and base underneath him,
Speaker 1: and that really allows him to just have these super
Speaker 1: in control reps where he squares a guy up both
Speaker 1: in the run and pass game. I think he's going
Speaker 1: to be the best protector from this group over his
Speaker 1: NFL career. Doesn't quite have the same juice firing off
Speaker 1: the ball as Banks in the running game, but he's
Speaker 1: a smooth operator. Another top twenty pick for my money,
Speaker 1: and I ended up with number six my last first
Speaker 1: rounder here Arianta Ursery from Minnesota. This is one of
Speaker 1: the more intriguing players at the spot because of the
Speaker 1: size and athleticism combination. What the hell is it with
Speaker 1: these Gopher offensive linemen and these hulking tackles. Daniel Flele
Speaker 1: was four hundred plus pounds. Ursery is not that he's
Speaker 1: six six, three thirty, but man, he can move and
Speaker 1: he's another guy that I think might be a guard
Speaker 1: convert as well. And given the size and movement profile,
Speaker 1: he might be like the perfect guy that can keep
Speaker 1: your outside zone game alive but also give you counters
Speaker 1: like duo and power and you know, geez counter. You
Speaker 1: can't think of their damn run scheme when he pops
Speaker 1: guys and they feel it like there's a lot of
Speaker 1: helmets jerking back on tape, a lot of pancakes, a
Speaker 1: lot of rushes stymied in their tracks. He kind of
Speaker 1: reminds me of Rob Hunt, to be honest with you,
Speaker 1: and remember Rob was a tackle at Ull with comically
Speaker 1: good tape and then he kicked inside to become a
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl nine figure guard. Right in passpro. He is
Speaker 1: so strong he can dump guys with upper body strength
Speaker 1: and kind of hip toss them and settle into his
Speaker 1: sets with relative ease. If there's one question, it's his
Speaker 1: redirect and you'll face a lot of that in this
Speaker 1: league with all the rush games coming back inside. But
Speaker 1: kicking him into guard would definitely help with that skill set,
Speaker 1: of that weakness. I should say in his game to me,
Speaker 1: he's a first round pick that gives me six first
Speaker 1: round grades at tackle, and I did some more workups
Speaker 1: on guys that I don't think we'll be first rounders.
Speaker 1: We'll save that for a future podcast down the road.
Speaker 2: Here.
Speaker 1: I also think there's like three or four guys that
Speaker 1: could be first rounders at Garden Center in this draft too,
Speaker 1: so fascinating.
Speaker 2: Class.
Speaker 1: Could be another year where we get one third of
Speaker 1: the draft picks are on the offensive line, and it
Speaker 1: really makes me hope we can get like a Day
Speaker 1: two pick for Tyreek Hill somewhere. So that's my ten
Speaker 1: thousand foot view on the tackle class, free agency and
Speaker 1: in the NFL draft.
Speaker 2: To go ahead and call it a show right there.
Speaker 1: Come back on Wednesday, I'm going to do the interior
Speaker 1: offensive line. This free agent class is absurd. I also
Speaker 1: have a new segment called the wavist Tringfield Mock Draft
Speaker 1: Simulator four thousand. We're gonna talk about that as well
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