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Speaker 1: Welcome Inside with the Insiders alongside Judy Batista, Ian Rappaport,

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Speaker 1: I am Tom Peliicero. This is part two of the podcast.

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Speaker 1: Don't worry if you missed part one. This is totally

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Speaker 1: different stuff. You should listen to both. Really, we do

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Speaker 1: it every Monday, the podcast, the YouTube show. This is

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Speaker 1: where you can find us as we talk about Week

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Speaker 1: seven the Sunday across the NFL. Let's hone in here

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Speaker 1: on the Detroit Lions. Ian because they went toe to

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Speaker 1: toe yesterday with the Vikings. Team was one of the

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Speaker 1: last two undefeated teams in the NFL. I actually thought

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Speaker 1: yesterday was impressive from both sides. We got a great

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Speaker 1: chess match between Ben Johnson and Brian Flores to the

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Speaker 1: extent that anybody was wondering after the Aiden Hutchinson injury

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Speaker 1: and would there be some type of drop off and

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Speaker 1: can they sustain in what Dan Campbell called the most

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Speaker 1: hostile environment that they've been in all season. The answer

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Speaker 1: appears to be yes. And even though they took a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would agree with that.

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Speaker 3: I would also say it's a small caveat Like I

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Speaker 3: was like, I think the game looked good, and they

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Speaker 3: look I mean, they look kind of like they always do, right.

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Speaker 3: But then listening after the game, it seemed like the

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Speaker 3: people who studied this better than us, including Dan Campbell,

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Speaker 3: felt like the pass rush could be better and could

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Speaker 3: at that and be like, all right, Hutch was missed here.

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Speaker 3: You know, I can't look at that and say Hutch

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Speaker 3: to me, like it was really good. Everyone loses players,

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Speaker 3: everyone loses good players. Unfortunately, it's just kind of a

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Speaker 3: fact of life. But to me it felt like really

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Speaker 3: good response, really good job especially coaches, really good job

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Speaker 3: scheming it up. But probably a team that if it

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Speaker 3: Could happen this Tuesday. There's going to be some things

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Speaker 3: and it seems like they need a little.

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Speaker 2: More, but very very good response to them for them early.

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Speaker 4: On, Yeah, I thought there were. In the middle of

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Speaker 4: that's where I thought, like, h is this where they're

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Speaker 4: missing Aiden Hutchinson, And I would agree with you if

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Speaker 4: they're I mean, obviously they have Super Bowl aspirations and

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Speaker 4: they should. They look like the best team in the NFC.

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Speaker 4: They they might look like the best team right now

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Speaker 4: But I mean they might have to get an edge

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Speaker 4: to take them where they want to go. The first

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Speaker 4: of all, Jared Goff should be in the MVP conversation.

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Speaker 4: He's not in the MVP conversation nearly enough. He looks great.

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Speaker 4: I mean, he keeps having these games where he doesn't

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Speaker 4: times this season already. That's ridiculous and I thought yesterday,

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Speaker 4: But obviously we know the Cowboys have some flaws right

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Speaker 4: were sort of some caveats there. I thought this was

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Speaker 4: They are a very good team. They have a defense

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Speaker 4: And they started slow. The Lions offense started slow, they

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Speaker 1: There there is because Ian mentioned yesterday as he walked

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Speaker 1: a good goal for Aiden Hutchinson to work toward. We

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Speaker 1: talked in part one of the podcasts about the Sean

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Speaker 1: some of the other injuries around the NFL. Started with

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Speaker 1: Jayden and Daniels. Judy, what's the latest.

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Speaker 4: So Dan Quinn, the Anders coach again, Oh hi, Ian,

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Speaker 4: welcome back, met with reporters right before we started taping

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Speaker 1: He is a The news not as good on the

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Speaker 1: Raiders quarterback Aidan O'Connell. The carousel seems to be continuing

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think this is frustrating for a lot of reasons.

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Speaker 3: I think the Raiders wanted to see O'Connell an extensive

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Speaker 3: drop you again. That's fine, you know, not that he's

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Speaker 3: But like you know, I think it does change the

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Speaker 3: some others who could. What does that season actually look

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Speaker 3: like a lot of questions for the Raiders, And I

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Speaker 3: we need to know. I still would like to know

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Speaker 2: It's knowing that we don't get to find that out

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Speaker 1: Judy big win for the Seahawks in Atlanta yesterday, though

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Speaker 1: a bit of a scareer minimum dk Metcalf going down

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Speaker 4: I think they said it does not it doesn't really

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Speaker 4: But it did not look bad at least immediately after

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Speaker 1: Ian. We know that Kyle Shanahan said that they fear

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Brandon Nyuk is going to miss the twenty twenty

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Speaker 3: not know the specifics of the injury. Assume it's an ACL,

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Speaker 3: because that's what Kyle Shanahan essentially said yesterday. The forty

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Speaker 3: My understanding is he is in fact going to miss

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Speaker 3: the season. That is very bad for the forty nine ers.

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Speaker 3: You know, they've had a lot of injuries. No Christian McCaffrey,

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Speaker 3: very well coached team, but this one stings. And I

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Speaker 3: You know, fans don't really love a player who wants

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Speaker 3: any time, and for this is a bad injury. You know,

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Speaker 3: he is expected to be back, but it's a bad injury.

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Speaker 3: Very very good for him that he was able to

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Speaker 1: Meanwhile, the Cowboys. I feel like this is the running

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Speaker 1: theme of the NFC judy, that there's a mess of

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Speaker 1: injuries for all these contending types teams. Dallas certainly is

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Speaker 1: part of it. Everyone losing their minds over what's wrong

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Speaker 1: with that team, what's wrong with the defense? Not having

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Speaker 1: one of the best players in the NFL. Michael Parsons

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think there's the suggestion that he might be

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Speaker 4: able to return this week. Would certainly be a boost

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Speaker 4: to that team. You're right, I mean I think we

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Speaker 4: with them? Well, I mean, you're losing two of your

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Speaker 4: what the Lions did to them.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's I don't know how active the

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Speaker 4: I would say it didn't sound very active.

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Speaker 3: Didn't sound very active, and I think that's gonna drive

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Speaker 3: say they're probably gonna do what they usually do.

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Speaker 2: That said, they get the Cavalry back.

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Speaker 3: To get Mica back, to get the Marcus Orange back,

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Speaker 3: They kind of were like this last year, and I

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Speaker 4: He just does not want to be that person. He says,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and if you look at how this all happened,

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Speaker 2: But you are not. You are not. You are a

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Speaker 3: Like get your hands off me type thing, And you know,

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Speaker 3: This is why the concussion protocol exists, and it is

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Speaker 3: just like the NFL and the NFLPA and the Neurotrouma

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Speaker 1: There are NFL players who have had more concussions than

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Speaker 1: some of that frustration comes in. For two, a tongue

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Speaker 1: of II LOA. You could tell that he had a

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Speaker 1: lot that he maybe was holding back, that he wanted

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Speaker 1: to say, but chows not to today. He wants to

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Speaker 1: get back on the field.

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Speaker 2: Show.

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Speaker 1: Hey, I went over a year without a concussion before

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Speaker 1: I can do it again here. I'm gonna play smart,

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Speaker 1: but I'm gonna play football because that's what I do.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, before to a talk to Mike McDaniel talked to

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Speaker 4: and he made it clear that like the Dolphins cannot

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Speaker 4: expect to it to come in and be the savior, right.

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Speaker 4: I mean, they are the lowest scoring team in the

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Speaker 4: NFL since went off the field, So the offense has

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Speaker 4: struggled badly, badly without him. They need him back. He

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Speaker 4: clearly doesn't want to feel that burden. He made that

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Speaker 4: clear when to suffer the concussion. He does not want

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Speaker 4: to feel that pressure that he's got to come back

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Speaker 4: to save the team. And he was saying basically to

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Speaker 4: his team in those comments, like everybody has to pick

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Speaker 4: it up. You can't just think like here comes to

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Speaker 4: a finally he's back and everything's going to be fun.

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Speaker 4: You can't put all of that on him because to

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Speaker 4: it does have to play differently, Like he cannot take

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Speaker 4: off and try to get that extra guard and lower

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Speaker 4: his head into Damar Hamlin like he did, Like he's

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Speaker 4: got to stop doing that. He said it himself. He

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Speaker 4: can't do that. And so you can't have him going

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Speaker 4: into games thinking I've got to do everything here because

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Speaker 4: I'm the only thing that can help this team, you know,

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Speaker 4: not be terrible. You can't have him go in with

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Speaker 4: that mindset because that's the mindset that leads to him

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Speaker 4: taking off and running and lowering his head and trying

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Speaker 4: to you know, knock the more Hamlin back.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I don't.

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Speaker 3: I'm really curious to see which way this goes because

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Speaker 3: I think I'm with you.

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Speaker 2: I think two is very good. I think when he

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Speaker 2: especially gets rid of the ball very quickly. He is

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Speaker 2: really one of the.

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Speaker 3: Best in the NFL. I hope this is the last

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Speaker 3: concussion he has. I don't know that it's going to be,

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Speaker 3: and so I've been like thinking about this. It's like,

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Speaker 3: obviously today's news is good. You know, later in the week,

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Speaker 3: we know for sure that he's going to play. That's

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Speaker 3: going to be good. But he plays in the NFL

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Speaker 3: like he's going to get hit and there are going

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Speaker 3: to be things that are going to happen, and I

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Speaker 3: just don't know, like next time, what is it going

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Speaker 3: to be, Like are we going to do this whole

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Speaker 3: thing again?

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Speaker 2: Is he going to be mad again? Like is it

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Speaker 2: going to have to say? How long is he gonna

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Speaker 2: have to say?

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Speaker 3: It's just it's a it's a tough situation for Tua

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Speaker 3: and for the Dolphins. And I don't know where this

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Speaker 3: goes or that it goes anywhere good because there was

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Speaker 3: such a hyper focus on this concussion, as there should be.

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Speaker 2: But what about the next one if there is one?

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Speaker 2: And that's just I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I don't I don't really have a point except to

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Speaker 3: say like this hopefully is the last time we do this,

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Speaker 3: but I have my doubts that it is.

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Speaker 1: And the last point I would make on this is

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Speaker 1: too I think sometimes the mistake is made of talking about, well,

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Speaker 1: you know, this guy came back the week after this

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Speaker 1: guy sat out a month. This is, you know, the

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Speaker 1: team doing right the team, it's the medical it's the doctors,

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Speaker 1: and ultimately return to play. And this is something to

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Speaker 1: it was told a couple of years ago. It's about

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Speaker 1: the health of the brain. He's being told, you have

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Speaker 1: a healthy brain. There is risk in going on to

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Speaker 1: the football field. There's risk in a lot of different things.

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Speaker 1: And every player on the field, you know, is at

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Speaker 1: risk of suffering the wrong type of a head impact

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Speaker 1: or a neck impact or whatever it might be. And

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Speaker 1: we see gruesome injuries of all kinds, you know, every

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Speaker 1: single week. Aden Hutchinson injury totally different. He potentially could

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Speaker 1: be back for the Super Bowl, but it was a

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Speaker 1: really scary, stomach turning type of injury. I don't know

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Speaker 1: that any of us outside NFL players fully understand what

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Speaker 1: it takes to want to put yourself in the eye

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Speaker 1: of the storm like that. Every single week. The speed,

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Speaker 1: the power, the physicality of everything going on on the

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Speaker 1: football field here. You know, Tua on one level probably

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Speaker 1: needs to be commended for the mere courage to continue

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Speaker 1: to put himself on the field. You know, when he

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Speaker 1: was asked today about what he would say to people

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Speaker 1: who just say that he should retire, he said, I

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Speaker 1: appreciate your concern, but I love this game to the

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Speaker 1: death of me. That's it. In other words, he's going

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Speaker 1: to play lesson until someone tells him that he cannot play.

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Speaker 1: That hasn't happened. He's being told, you have a healthy brain,

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Speaker 1: you are okay to get back onto the football field.

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Speaker 1: And I think that if people kind of reduce it

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Speaker 1: to you know, if doctors told you you're okay to

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Speaker 1: return to your job, would you say, no, I think

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Speaker 1: I'm going to go do something else right now if

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Speaker 1: it's something you love. That's probably the simplest terms to

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Speaker 1: put it into. But you know, to Ian's point, we'll

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Speaker 1: see what happens here. We all root for it not

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Speaker 1: to happen, but everybody probably realistically needs to brace themselves

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Speaker 1: because odds are that somewhere down the line, this quite

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Speaker 1: possibly will happen again, and the same conversations will take place,

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Speaker 1: and the same firestorm and everything else. It's to his call,

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Speaker 1: and we probably are going to see him out there again,

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Speaker 1: pending him going through the protocol, his brain and body

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Speaker 1: responding well to the activity, and getting the clearance from

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Speaker 1: the independent neurologist. He's probably going to be out there

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Speaker 1: on some against the Cardinals. All right, everybody, enjoy the

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Speaker 1: end of week seven on this calendar. Wordy, almost to

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Speaker 1: the halfway point of this NFL season, which is pretty wild.

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Speaker 1: We are two weeks away from the trade deadline. I

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Speaker 1: can tell you all break some news right now. We

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Speaker 1: have a trade deadline special of the Insiders at the

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Speaker 1: trade deadline on Tuesday, November fifth. I know there's nothing

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