1
00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,279
Speaker 1: As we speak, you're telling me we just got another

2
00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:07,480
Speaker 1: appreciative message as we sit here pressing record on this episode.

3
00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:11,000
Speaker 1: That's right, I love it. Thanks Sybil that made that.

4
00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:13,000
Speaker 1: That's a nice note to start on. Yeah it is.

5
00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:17,840
Speaker 1: Let's check in. Hey, how's it going? Are you asking me? Yeah? Well?

6
00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:20,000
Speaker 1: Should I not? I guess I already know how you're doing. Well,

7
00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:22,480
Speaker 1: That's what that was. My thought is that, like, I mean,

8
00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:24,800
Speaker 1: I'm doing exactly as I have been doing for the

9
00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:27,400
Speaker 1: last Other podcasts have it easy because they get to

10
00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:29,800
Speaker 1: be like, what are you doing? Man? You're doing all right,

11
00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:32,519
Speaker 1: I'll fix my bike later earlier this weekend. You're like,

12
00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:34,320
Speaker 1: oh nice, and then you get a hell whole thing.

13
00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:36,600
Speaker 1: But you already know damn well that I didn't fix

14
00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:41,479
Speaker 1: no bike this I know. So uh Well, Anyway, we

15
00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:44,200
Speaker 1: wanted to talk about some other feedback that we got. Yes,

16
00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:50,400
Speaker 1: we also have a corrections corner. You're such a loser.

17
00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:54,080
Speaker 1: So in Suleman the Magnificent and Here I Am Sultan,

18
00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:58,480
Speaker 1: I said something about how holy books don't cover human

19
00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:02,520
Speaker 1: mundane ship like tax is. And on Twitter we got

20
00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:06,959
Speaker 1: a message from our friend at song flight Girl. Um

21
00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:10,640
Speaker 1: right now, their name is currently embodying gay wrath, which

22
00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:16,320
Speaker 1: I love, and they said, actually, there are several chapters

23
00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:20,600
Speaker 1: of the Torah dedicated to Texas, so I was wrong

24
00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:22,520
Speaker 1: about that, And actually right when I said it, I

25
00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:25,760
Speaker 1: even thought about how Jesus said render and to Caesar

26
00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:28,640
Speaker 1: that which is Caesar's or whatever, and so I was like,

27
00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:32,040
Speaker 1: I guess, actually, there are there are lines about taxes

28
00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:35,200
Speaker 1: in Holy Book. So sorry, that was totally just me

29
00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:39,200
Speaker 1: talking out of my butt, unlike the rest of this

30
00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:43,880
Speaker 1: podcasts just checking out of my mouth, different whole, same ship.

31
00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:48,840
Speaker 1: So thank you for that correction. At song Flight Girl

32
00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:52,080
Speaker 1: appreciate that we always like to be as accurate as

33
00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:54,760
Speaker 1: possible around here. So we're going to get into something

34
00:01:54,760 --> 00:02:01,960
Speaker 1: real accurate today. This amazing story that's largely speculation, um

35
00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:08,519
Speaker 1: about a couple of gay pirates. Pirates. Yes, these guys

36
00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:12,320
Speaker 1: are Robert Culifford and John Swan, and we know a

37
00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:16,280
Speaker 1: lot more about Robert than John. Robert was out there,

38
00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:20,239
Speaker 1: much bolder guy. He was dashing, outrageous captain is the

39
00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:23,680
Speaker 1: kind of guy I imagine. I picture blonde hair swooped back,

40
00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:28,000
Speaker 1: you know, the puffy pirate shirt that's mostly unbuttoned. Uh,

41
00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:31,040
Speaker 1: and he puts his hands on his hips and he says,

42
00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:33,600
Speaker 1: a lot, that's the kind of guy I picture. That's

43
00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:39,640
Speaker 1: Robert Culiford, more like a loyal sidekick kind of guy. Yeah.

44
00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:42,880
Speaker 1: Many people believe that Robert and John were lovers, but

45
00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:45,280
Speaker 1: some do not agree. So we will get into all that.

46
00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:52,560
Speaker 1: AHOI everyone, I'm Eli Shortbeard the Pirates. I'm four eyes Diana.

47
00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:56,360
Speaker 1: If they'll let me keep my glasses that his. If not,

48
00:02:56,480 --> 00:03:00,680
Speaker 1: I'm just old two eyes. Gather around me as we

49
00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:04,960
Speaker 1: tell you a tale of pirate adventure, of swashbuckling, sword

50
00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:09,040
Speaker 1: fighting and sail in a seven seas, a tale of betrayal,

51
00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:17,560
Speaker 1: boats and brotherhood, and of course Buda Hayle French. Come listen, Well,

52
00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:20,840
Speaker 1: Eli and Diana got some stories to tell. There's no

53
00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:25,800
Speaker 1: match making, all romantic tips. It's just about ridiculous relationships.

54
00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:28,079
Speaker 1: A lover, it might be any type of person at all,

55
00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:31,679
Speaker 1: and abstract concept are a concrete wall. But if there's

56
00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:37,520
Speaker 1: a story where the second plants ridiculous roles, production of

57
00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:40,520
Speaker 1: I Heart Radio. All right, Well, before we get into pirates,

58
00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:42,880
Speaker 1: I thought it would be helpful if we knew what

59
00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:47,200
Speaker 1: it was like to live on a ship. Our argument hearties.

60
00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:52,240
Speaker 1: That's how all pirates spoke at all times. That if

61
00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:55,240
Speaker 1: they were from Denmark, if they were from Portugal, they

62
00:03:55,240 --> 00:04:01,800
Speaker 1: had talked the Boston Pirates, Madagascar pirate, it's all talked

63
00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:05,200
Speaker 1: just like well, they learned it from their parents. You see,

64
00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:11,840
Speaker 1: my parents raised me right well. Argument Harty's ship life

65
00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:15,120
Speaker 1: is cramped and gross. Basically, we're going to put it

66
00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:19,920
Speaker 1: into words. You're on a big moving, floating storage unit

67
00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:22,719
Speaker 1: more or less exactly. Then the last thing they would

68
00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:26,880
Speaker 1: need to make room for his people, basically, so good luck. Basically,

69
00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:30,279
Speaker 1: it was so cramped that the men would sleep in

70
00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:33,680
Speaker 1: hammocks below decks in shifts because it wasn't have room

71
00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:36,560
Speaker 1: for all the hammocks for everyone. So they get four

72
00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:39,039
Speaker 1: hours to sleep, and then they'd have to switch with

73
00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:41,480
Speaker 1: the other guys to go get four hours. And then

74
00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:43,640
Speaker 1: the farther you get from port of course, the stailer

75
00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:46,920
Speaker 1: everything got. You know, your butter, fuck it, it's turned rancid.

76
00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:51,080
Speaker 1: Your beer is turning bitter biscuits, forget it. They turned

77
00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:55,320
Speaker 1: into paper weights. Cheese reportedly got so hard that they

78
00:04:55,360 --> 00:05:01,680
Speaker 1: would carve it into buttons when their buttons broke. And

79
00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:05,120
Speaker 1: here's the deal on merchant ships and naval ships. The

80
00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:07,440
Speaker 1: captains could pretty much treat however they want. A lot

81
00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:10,360
Speaker 1: of times they would keep the crew on starving rations

82
00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:13,920
Speaker 1: just so they could save money and keep more for themselves.

83
00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:16,160
Speaker 1: They would cook and eat full meals, and they had

84
00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:19,400
Speaker 1: guzzle wine, and the sailors could see this. They would

85
00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:23,200
Speaker 1: be watching it happening, starving to death and smelling these

86
00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:26,839
Speaker 1: delicious meals being cooked. Yeah, they're playing with their cheese

87
00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:30,919
Speaker 1: button while they're smelling like a nice grilled, like fresh

88
00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:33,840
Speaker 1: meal the captain's eating. So anyway, you could kind of

89
00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:37,159
Speaker 1: see why mutinies were. I would be like, let me

90
00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:39,120
Speaker 1: stab this bitch so I could get some of this meat.

91
00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:42,120
Speaker 1: Then if the captains wanted to punish you, they pretty

92
00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:45,000
Speaker 1: much had no rules. They could do whatever they want

93
00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:49,839
Speaker 1: short of just killing you, right, so they might torture you. Basically,

94
00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:52,719
Speaker 1: they had a They had this guy apparently had to

95
00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:55,080
Speaker 1: put his thumbs through a wood block and then they

96
00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:57,960
Speaker 1: would just drove splinters through them, and then he had

97
00:05:57,960 --> 00:05:59,839
Speaker 1: to carry around the wood like stuck to his thumbs

98
00:05:59,880 --> 00:06:04,880
Speaker 1: all day like, or they like dangled a boy over

99
00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:06,920
Speaker 1: the side of the ship and made him clean out

100
00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:09,800
Speaker 1: the privy well, he's hanging there upside down. Yeah, speaking

101
00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:12,240
Speaker 1: of the privy, if I may, yeah, tell us about

102
00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:15,760
Speaker 1: the privy. Acquiring minds want to know. It's basically a

103
00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:19,960
Speaker 1: board balanced over a hole in the ship, I guess,

104
00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:23,200
Speaker 1: And so you had to like just kind of squat

105
00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:26,159
Speaker 1: there and not fall over on I mean on a

106
00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:29,600
Speaker 1: you know, a ship is fucking moving, right. And then

107
00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:31,640
Speaker 1: also if you tried to wipe your ass, you would

108
00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:34,600
Speaker 1: more likely to fall overboard and die. So a lot

109
00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:37,600
Speaker 1: of people did not do that part. And the trend

110
00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:40,599
Speaker 1: of the time was that instead of underwear, you just

111
00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:44,080
Speaker 1: wore a real long shirt that you tied around your genitals.

112
00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:47,360
Speaker 1: So you know, with the not wiping, you're probably get

113
00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:50,040
Speaker 1: a lot of ship on your shirt. You don't smell great, okay,

114
00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:55,599
Speaker 1: and you're sweating, you're not bathing. The smell just unimaginable,

115
00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:58,920
Speaker 1: I think to us now not to mention scurvy, which

116
00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:01,400
Speaker 1: was horrible. It caused your bones to get really soft.

117
00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:03,200
Speaker 1: This was that comes from a lack of vitamin C,

118
00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:06,599
Speaker 1: and a lot of times teeth would just fall out

119
00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:09,760
Speaker 1: of the jaw without pain. As one ship's physician wrote,

120
00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:12,239
Speaker 1: you could press your thumb into a man's shin bone

121
00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:17,200
Speaker 1: and literally make like a half inch dent. Doctors didn't

122
00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:18,880
Speaker 1: really know what caused it or how to treat it

123
00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:21,559
Speaker 1: at the time, so they blamed it on a lack

124
00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:28,920
Speaker 1: of land air. So I'm mama tourdrop out. Oh well,

125
00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:31,600
Speaker 1: only one solution I could think of, probably just a

126
00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:34,120
Speaker 1: lack of land air. You know it's land their is

127
00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:37,280
Speaker 1: very healthy. We all need it. From Tom had fruit

128
00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:41,240
Speaker 1: and overall, take some cocaine. You'll feel all better in

129
00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:44,600
Speaker 1: the morning. So all this to say, living on a

130
00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:48,360
Speaker 1: ship was really harsh, and being a pirate even though

131
00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:51,360
Speaker 1: the punishment was incredibly harsh. It had a mandatory death

132
00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:54,440
Speaker 1: sentence if you're caught. It was actually preferred to sailing

133
00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:56,520
Speaker 1: on a naval ship or a merchant ship a lot

134
00:07:56,560 --> 00:08:00,280
Speaker 1: of the time because it's all the same conditions. But

135
00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:03,600
Speaker 1: pirate ships were way more democratic. As a sailor on

136
00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:06,320
Speaker 1: a pirate ship, you got a vote about where the

137
00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:09,920
Speaker 1: ship went, you got a share of the plunder, and

138
00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:13,480
Speaker 1: pirates governed by approval of their ships, so they very

139
00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:17,160
Speaker 1: rarely punished any other pirate for anything unless all the

140
00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:20,920
Speaker 1: other pirates voted majority voted to punish that pirates. So

141
00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:23,360
Speaker 1: it was very rare that you were ever flogged or

142
00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:25,000
Speaker 1: had any of this ship happened to you. That would

143
00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:28,960
Speaker 1: happen on naval ships. Pirates also dressed really colorfully and

144
00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:32,360
Speaker 1: war like striped silks, or they would have like funky

145
00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:36,440
Speaker 1: mismatch shoes, things like that, stuff they'd stolen, because this

146
00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:39,760
Speaker 1: wasn't a time when your economic class pretty much dictated

147
00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:43,319
Speaker 1: how you were going to address and it was illegal

148
00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:46,920
Speaker 1: to wear certain things. Yea, certain fabrics and colors you

149
00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:48,920
Speaker 1: were just not allowed to wear it. So it really

150
00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:53,320
Speaker 1: dictated somber, ill fitting clothes for poor people. So pirates,

151
00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:55,199
Speaker 1: you know, it was like, yeah, I'll whear whatever the

152
00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:56,960
Speaker 1: funk I want and kind of got to be real

153
00:08:57,000 --> 00:09:00,160
Speaker 1: fun with it. And yes, pirates were very vile. Went

154
00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:03,640
Speaker 1: let's not color over that. It's very true that they

155
00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:07,480
Speaker 1: raped a lot of people. They pillaged, they murdered, They

156
00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:11,559
Speaker 1: were bullies to local men, they raped local women. I mean,

157
00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:14,760
Speaker 1: they were mean, they are not nice, and often if

158
00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:18,440
Speaker 1: they took a ship, they would torture anyone onboard to

159
00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:20,960
Speaker 1: find out where all the treasure was. And sometimes it

160
00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:23,280
Speaker 1: was really just for entertainment, so they would do stuff

161
00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:26,480
Speaker 1: like the fiddler would strike up a tune, and the

162
00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:30,559
Speaker 1: poor unfortunate would be poked with forks and daggers and

163
00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:34,720
Speaker 1: forced to dance until they collapsed. Um. So you know,

164
00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:36,480
Speaker 1: this is a really fun story. But we don't want

165
00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:39,800
Speaker 1: to like romanticized pirates like great people or something, because

166
00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:44,160
Speaker 1: they did do a lot of ship. Pirates also did

167
00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:49,640
Speaker 1: not fly a jolly roger my. Yeah. They would actually

168
00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:52,559
Speaker 1: fly different countries colors depending on the ships they were approaching,

169
00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:55,040
Speaker 1: right to kind of lure them in, like, hey, we

170
00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:58,600
Speaker 1: got a Spanish flag, Spaniards, yes, bring your ship over here.

171
00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:00,560
Speaker 1: We need a little help, or just want to talk

172
00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:04,200
Speaker 1: like a trade, you know, and they'd say all overall,

173
00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:07,160
Speaker 1: it's good to see you guys, and then they'd run

174
00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:10,760
Speaker 1: up a blood red flag that meant no mercy unless

175
00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:14,520
Speaker 1: you surrender immediately, and they jump on board. They board

176
00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:16,760
Speaker 1: the ship, and they'd scream and they waved their swords

177
00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:18,960
Speaker 1: and clang them against their pistols, and then people would

178
00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:21,800
Speaker 1: just give up, usually without a fight. The pirates didn't

179
00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:24,760
Speaker 1: like to spill a lot of blood, honestly, if especially

180
00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:27,040
Speaker 1: if they could avoid it, and especially their own blood.

181
00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:29,360
Speaker 1: In fact, they would get deeply offended if you made

182
00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:31,760
Speaker 1: them fight sometimes, so it was like ray worse for

183
00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:34,240
Speaker 1: you if you made them fight, because they get kissed

184
00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:35,800
Speaker 1: off about it. They're like, you're know a wet I'm

185
00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:41,160
Speaker 1: not scary enough. Yeah. And notorious famous pirates Bartholomew Roberts

186
00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:43,720
Speaker 1: once called it a merry life and a short one,

187
00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:47,760
Speaker 1: and another aspect of life that was really well tolerated

188
00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:51,360
Speaker 1: out at sea, pirate, navy, merchant, whatever ship you were on,

189
00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:55,600
Speaker 1: was homosexual activity. It was pretty common because of course

190
00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:58,559
Speaker 1: you're on a close quarters with only men for months

191
00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:01,000
Speaker 1: on end. It was pretty much like fine, whatever, just

192
00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:03,920
Speaker 1: do it. On navy and merchant ships, you kind of

193
00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:05,400
Speaker 1: had to keep it a little bit of a secret.

194
00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:07,840
Speaker 1: It's kind of a don't ask, don't tell sort of thing.

195
00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:13,720
Speaker 1: But pirates actually made a legal same sex civil contract

196
00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:16,400
Speaker 1: that you could get into with your pirate friend or

197
00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:21,480
Speaker 1: lover called meteletage. Sometimes these were totally platonic, like might

198
00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:24,600
Speaker 1: be older men with young boys. Sometimes that was more

199
00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:27,959
Speaker 1: like a brotherhood thing. Sometimes they were sexual in nature

200
00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:31,600
Speaker 1: and sometimes even romantic. The idea here is that you're

201
00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:34,040
Speaker 1: a pirate, right, so you have a short life, merry

202
00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:37,440
Speaker 1: life and a short one, huh. On some pirate ships.

203
00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:40,079
Speaker 1: It was forbidden get married, so many of them, you know,

204
00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:42,360
Speaker 1: just weren't. So this is a way to make sure

205
00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:44,480
Speaker 1: that your share of the plunder got passed on to

206
00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:47,200
Speaker 1: someone that you liked if you happen to get killed

207
00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:50,640
Speaker 1: or fall off or whatever happened. And pirate captains took

208
00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:54,640
Speaker 1: meteleotage very seriously and they were honorable about it. They

209
00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:56,559
Speaker 1: would make sure that money got to the right people.

210
00:11:56,760 --> 00:12:00,360
Speaker 1: It's very important. It was entered into willingly and often

211
00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:03,240
Speaker 1: consecrated with gold rings and a ceremony and everything. So

212
00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:06,440
Speaker 1: it was very like much like a marriage. Do you,

213
00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:12,360
Speaker 1: neck beard, take this pirate one eyed jack to be

214
00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:21,040
Speaker 1: your you know, contractually civil arranged mate. All right, great, well,

215
00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:22,839
Speaker 1: then that's will make sure he gets your stuff when

216
00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:27,959
Speaker 1: you die tomorrow tomorrow. Don't worry about it, I land hole.

217
00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:33,360
Speaker 1: In fact, this is funny to me. Pirates were so

218
00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:37,960
Speaker 1: open about their homosexual activity that in this pirate stronghold

219
00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:41,560
Speaker 1: of Tortuga, this island near Haiti where a lot of

220
00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:44,280
Speaker 1: pirates like to hang out all the time, they were

221
00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:48,720
Speaker 1: so out and proud that the French governor of Tortuga

222
00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:52,080
Speaker 1: started to get a little worried about how normalized it was. Listen,

223
00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:55,600
Speaker 1: it was like this a little going for a little

224
00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:58,040
Speaker 1: too gay around here. He's like, I thought this was

225
00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:00,800
Speaker 1: gonna be a farming community. Don't know what's going on.

226
00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:02,680
Speaker 1: And all that's happening is all these men are just

227
00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:04,960
Speaker 1: fucking each other all day long right in the street.

228
00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:07,760
Speaker 1: It's too much fun. We did some work, nobody's doing

229
00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:14,120
Speaker 1: any work. So in he wrote to France asking them

230
00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:18,280
Speaker 1: to send two thousand prostitutes to the island. I guess,

231
00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:20,160
Speaker 1: just to give him somewhere different to put their dick.

232
00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:22,800
Speaker 1: He's like, maybe if they have another option, they won't

233
00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:26,600
Speaker 1: turn to each other. But it didn't really work. There

234
00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:29,680
Speaker 1: were some men that gave up their swashbuckling life. They

235
00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:32,120
Speaker 1: got married, they settled down to farming, and it worked

236
00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:34,280
Speaker 1: out just like the governor wanted. But most of the

237
00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:37,400
Speaker 1: pirates actually ended up marrying the prostitutes and then sharing

238
00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:40,280
Speaker 1: them with their matelotes, so it turned into these polyamorous

239
00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:42,920
Speaker 1: clusters all over Tortioga, and he was like, that's not

240
00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:46,520
Speaker 1: what I meant. So even if they took a wife,

241
00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:51,040
Speaker 1: the matelote would still have access to their matelotes bed.

242
00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:54,200
Speaker 1: They were still entitled to an inheritance and everything. It

243
00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:57,439
Speaker 1: didn't change their relationship at all. This is not working

244
00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:01,040
Speaker 1: that now even less work is getting done. Now they

245
00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:05,880
Speaker 1: have a tools, everyone is fucking twice as much. There's

246
00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:09,480
Speaker 1: an example of this meteltage. Barry Arberg wrote a book

247
00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:12,200
Speaker 1: called Sodomy and the Pirate Tradition, and he points to

248
00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:15,880
Speaker 1: proof that these were sometimes romantic situations by talking about

249
00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:19,360
Speaker 1: Captain Louis Lugo Leif and this guy had a Matelotte

250
00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:22,880
Speaker 1: named pulver In, And in six sixty five Louis married

251
00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:26,080
Speaker 1: a woman and lived with pulver In and his wife.

252
00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:28,080
Speaker 1: So it's the three of them all together having a

253
00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:31,960
Speaker 1: fine time. One day, he's coming home from a raid.

254
00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:34,400
Speaker 1: He's got pulver In with him. The wife is back home,

255
00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:37,400
Speaker 1: and he sends pulver In ahead to go tell tell

256
00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:39,520
Speaker 1: wifey that I'm coming home, let her know I'll be

257
00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:43,320
Speaker 1: there soon. Pulverin gets to the house and finds the

258
00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:47,240
Speaker 1: wife in bed with another man, so he kills her

259
00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:51,040
Speaker 1: and the man that she's sleeping well, and then he disappears.

260
00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:54,360
Speaker 1: So Louis shows up and he's like, where's my My

261
00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:57,280
Speaker 1: wife is dead? Who's this guy? Where's pulver in what

262
00:14:57,360 --> 00:15:01,720
Speaker 1: the fuck? And he's like all alone now, poor Louis.

263
00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:07,320
Speaker 1: So really he was mean? Well yeah, apparently he got

264
00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:10,760
Speaker 1: another Matelote after that, but Barry wrote that he never

265
00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:14,640
Speaker 1: fully recovered from the loss. His heart remained with pulver In.

266
00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:20,200
Speaker 1: So true romance there. But another more famous example is

267
00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:23,560
Speaker 1: the story of Robert Culifford and John Swan. And like

268
00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:25,840
Speaker 1: we did say, a lot more is known about Robert

269
00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:28,120
Speaker 1: than John, so we're going to tell the story from

270
00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:32,760
Speaker 1: Robert's perspective. Robert Culiford was born in sixteen sixty six

271
00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:37,040
Speaker 1: in Cornwall, England. He was bred to the sea, probably

272
00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:40,200
Speaker 1: bred to smuggling and piracy, because it was this common

273
00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:43,920
Speaker 1: practice in Cornwall to fake this lighthouse trick that would

274
00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:47,520
Speaker 1: cause ships to accidentally crash into the rocks and then

275
00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:49,360
Speaker 1: they would go out and rate it and take everything

276
00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:52,400
Speaker 1: off the ship. So he takes the sea's probably pretty young.

277
00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:54,520
Speaker 1: His father went out to see and it never returned

278
00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:56,720
Speaker 1: when he was only five, so probably as early as

279
00:15:56,720 --> 00:15:59,280
Speaker 1: he could earn some money from it, he's gone. He's out,

280
00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:02,720
Speaker 1: ready to make some fortune on the high seas, or

281
00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:04,920
Speaker 1: just some living on the high seas, you know, like

282
00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:06,720
Speaker 1: I don't think a lot of people thought the fortune

283
00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:09,120
Speaker 1: was going to find them. When he was only twenty three,

284
00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:11,640
Speaker 1: Robert happened to be a part of a crew that

285
00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:16,080
Speaker 1: included William Kidd, famous Captain Kidd. They fought for the

286
00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:18,320
Speaker 1: English against the French, and they did really well. They

287
00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:21,480
Speaker 1: got a lot of plunder and Kid became Captain Kidd

288
00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:25,240
Speaker 1: for the first time with his own ship, the Blessed William.

289
00:16:25,280 --> 00:16:30,760
Speaker 1: William sailing the Blessed William You wonder probably didn't even

290
00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:33,320
Speaker 1: name it after himself. No, I don't think so. There's

291
00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:40,520
Speaker 1: only there's just there's only four names. Robert, John, James, James.

292
00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:42,160
Speaker 1: That's about it. That's it. I think that's what the

293
00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:45,320
Speaker 1: four names. Someone comes in and they're like, I'm sorry,

294
00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:50,640
Speaker 1: your name is Douglas. What is that? I'm going to

295
00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:54,160
Speaker 1: call you John? John? It is, but with an age

296
00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:58,640
Speaker 1: this time. So Robert is sailing on Captain Kid's ship.

297
00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:01,680
Speaker 1: But then Clifford and a bunch of the crew decided,

298
00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:04,480
Speaker 1: you know what this, we don't want to just sail

299
00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:06,920
Speaker 1: for the English taking French ships. We want to sail

300
00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:09,760
Speaker 1: for our own selves and take every ship. So we're

301
00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:12,680
Speaker 1: going to be pirates, not Patriots. So they stole the

302
00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:18,560
Speaker 1: Blessed William commandeered excuse me not term, and they stole

303
00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:21,399
Speaker 1: all the booty on board, and they left kid high

304
00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:26,639
Speaker 1: and dry and antiqua in rude. The Blessed William went

305
00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:30,480
Speaker 1: on to sack, rape, burn, pillage many ships and harbors.

306
00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:33,760
Speaker 1: They built a flotilla so they had a multiple pirate

307
00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:39,200
Speaker 1: ships kind of flying with them or whatever. At Clifford

308
00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:41,439
Speaker 1: was promoted to captain of the Blessed William and he

309
00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:44,879
Speaker 1: became Captain Clifford for the very first time in sixteen ninety.

310
00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:48,119
Speaker 1: But while they were in Boston, two of their pirate

311
00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:51,119
Speaker 1: ships were stolen by the French. To be fair, they

312
00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:53,720
Speaker 1: were stolen from the French, right. The French were just like,

313
00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:59,600
Speaker 1: we steal these back. Yes, that's mine. Hey. So Robert

314
00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:02,960
Speaker 1: and this his friend Mason, they decided to ditch the

315
00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:07,200
Speaker 1: Blessed William. They got a legit privateering license, which again

316
00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:09,840
Speaker 1: is where you got like a home team and the Allies,

317
00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:11,880
Speaker 1: and you can't funk with their ships. You can only

318
00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:15,520
Speaker 1: mess with the enemy ships. You'll be a privateer for England.

319
00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:17,720
Speaker 1: And then like England is allied with the Dutch, so

320
00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:20,639
Speaker 1: they're like Okay, you can take French and Spanish ships,

321
00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:23,200
Speaker 1: but not English or Dutch ships. You're like, oh hey,

322
00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:25,480
Speaker 1: we're at war with the Dutch now, so you can

323
00:18:25,520 --> 00:18:27,760
Speaker 1: take any of the other ships, just not English or whatever.

324
00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:30,639
Speaker 1: That was just you know, you had your team. And

325
00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:33,080
Speaker 1: so then they get another ship called the Jacob and

326
00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:36,600
Speaker 1: they dip out of Boston within a week. Though they

327
00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:39,480
Speaker 1: had a crew of eighty five, including this guy, James Gillium.

328
00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:41,639
Speaker 1: He comes up a bunch in this story, so remember

329
00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:45,360
Speaker 1: his name. Within a week of leaving Boston, they all decide,

330
00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:52,399
Speaker 1: funck privateering, let's be pirates again, and they made Coliford

331
00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:56,240
Speaker 1: the captain's quartermaster. H the quartermaster on a pirate ship

332
00:18:56,320 --> 00:18:59,800
Speaker 1: was basically the lead ranking officer under the captain. They

333
00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:02,800
Speaker 1: have veto power over the captain in any orders that

334
00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:05,639
Speaker 1: he gave, as long as they weren't currently in pursuit

335
00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:09,280
Speaker 1: or engaged in battle. And this was a position. He

336
00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:12,040
Speaker 1: was voted into popular guy right from the go. I think,

337
00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:14,439
Speaker 1: oh yeah, so they're doing their pirate thing and in

338
00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:19,159
Speaker 1: they land in Mangreol, which is on the Indian coast.

339
00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:22,200
Speaker 1: They get up to some pillaging and raping and beating

340
00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:25,119
Speaker 1: up locals like they do. But that night a local

341
00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:29,440
Speaker 1: woman convinced them to hold a shooting contest. So she's like,

342
00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:33,760
Speaker 1: which one of you is the best shot? Oh, I've

343
00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:36,280
Speaker 1: got the best shot here, right right right here, I do.

344
00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:38,359
Speaker 1: I'm short Beard the pirate, and I've got the best

345
00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:40,600
Speaker 1: shot on the show. No you don't. I've got the

346
00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:44,159
Speaker 1: best shot on the show. You've got the best short ownership.

347
00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:46,560
Speaker 1: Well why don't you show me? And she puts up

348
00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:50,320
Speaker 1: a little bottle or something and they start to shoot away.

349
00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:55,840
Speaker 1: Just keep shoo, shoot shoot, oh martamie bullets. So you've

350
00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:58,760
Speaker 1: got a bunch of empty handed pirates, drunk as fuck.

351
00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:01,320
Speaker 1: Then this mangriol he swims out to their ship and

352
00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:04,080
Speaker 1: he cuts their hanker cables. So the ship just turned

353
00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:09,080
Speaker 1: sideways on drips ashore and beaches itself as the locals,

354
00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:11,919
Speaker 1: I'll run in, I guess, pitchforks in hand. And they

355
00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:18,080
Speaker 1: captured eighteen pirates, including Gilliam Clifford and John Swann. There

356
00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:20,600
Speaker 1: he is, yeah, so there he is. That's the first

357
00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:23,080
Speaker 1: time we hear the name John Swan. So I'm gonna

358
00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:25,560
Speaker 1: assume that they picked up John in Boston when they

359
00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:28,639
Speaker 1: got the crew for the Jacob. Let's make him a

360
00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:31,679
Speaker 1: Boston boy. So they get roughed up, they get shackled,

361
00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:35,720
Speaker 1: they get left in this disgusting, speces filled, hot ass

362
00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:39,840
Speaker 1: tropical prison. And Richard Zachs wrote in The Pirate Hunter,

363
00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:43,560
Speaker 1: The True Story of Captain Kidd, these desperate men sought

364
00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:47,399
Speaker 1: any kind of recreation or consolation. It was here that

365
00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:52,240
Speaker 1: Robert Culifford and John Swann became the best of friends. So,

366
00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:59,720
Speaker 1: if I may enter hypothetical harbor, yes you may, thank you.

367
00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:03,760
Speaker 1: I'm thinking John Swan joins the Jacob, and it's just

368
00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:09,399
Speaker 1: like maybe immediately captivated by this magnetic, charismatic, athletic, smart,

369
00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:14,600
Speaker 1: literate pirate like like Robert, and then perhaps John Swan

370
00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:18,760
Speaker 1: maybe showed some real loyalty even worship or or love

371
00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:21,399
Speaker 1: for Robert, and that kind of won him over, like,

372
00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:24,040
Speaker 1: oh this is my guy, Like I can trust this guy,

373
00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:26,440
Speaker 1: this is my man. Yeah. Well, Robert was so like

374
00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:31,240
Speaker 1: cunning and athletic and passionate, charismatic. He was literate, right

375
00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:34,600
Speaker 1: and unusual. A lot of pirates were not literate, including

376
00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:37,240
Speaker 1: John Swan. He could make a j S. But that

377
00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:39,880
Speaker 1: was it. So after a while, during their four years

378
00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:42,960
Speaker 1: in prison, they got the privilege to work aboard the

379
00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:48,000
Speaker 1: Muslim ships outside this stock right, and so sometime in

380
00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:52,639
Speaker 1: the spring of they actually managed to overpower their guards

381
00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:55,159
Speaker 1: and escape, and they took off and they managed to

382
00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:58,879
Speaker 1: get to Bombay looking for work. Bombay is present day Mumbai.

383
00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:02,640
Speaker 1: Robert gets there and he signs on as a gunner's

384
00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:06,159
Speaker 1: mate aboard this ship, the Josiah, and he tried to

385
00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:08,679
Speaker 1: get John Swan on two, but they didn't bring him.

386
00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:11,200
Speaker 1: So this is the first time they are apart in

387
00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:14,679
Speaker 1: like six years or so. Um, So let's find out

388
00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:19,640
Speaker 1: what happens to them. Right after this commercial break, who

389
00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:24,560
Speaker 1: Welcome back, Mattie is It's and Robert has just signed

390
00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:27,360
Speaker 1: on to order the Josiah and is on his way

391
00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:31,080
Speaker 1: out of Bombay. I set the mood, you did, I

392
00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:34,560
Speaker 1: feel like I'm on board myself. The Josiah is sailing

393
00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:38,560
Speaker 1: from Bombay to Madras to trade cloth. The captain gets

394
00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:42,000
Speaker 1: sick and it delays there leaving from Madras, and so

395
00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:44,560
Speaker 1: Robert goes ashore. He has a drink with his friend,

396
00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:48,840
Speaker 1: this guy named James Croft, and he's like, hey, James,

397
00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:51,040
Speaker 1: why don't you come check out the Josiah. I'll show

398
00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:53,680
Speaker 1: you around. And they row back to the ship and

399
00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:58,040
Speaker 1: James is looking around innocently while Robert cuts the anchor

400
00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:03,199
Speaker 1: cable tells everyone else to unfurl the sails, and they

401
00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:08,600
Speaker 1: just left with the Josiah and twenty two men and

402
00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:11,080
Speaker 1: they went to Nico Bars, which is a long cluster

403
00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:14,639
Speaker 1: of islands. So Robert leaves James Croft, the guy he

404
00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:18,080
Speaker 1: kidnapped on board, and goes to enjoy some island life.

405
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:21,960
Speaker 1: Natives gave them a huge feast and they drank and

406
00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:25,320
Speaker 1: they ate, and James is back on the ship. This

407
00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:29,120
Speaker 1: guy knows nothing about navigation, but he's like, hey, uh,

408
00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:32,200
Speaker 1: while that guy's gone, I'm sucking out of here. And

409
00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:34,760
Speaker 1: he's got no crew, so he just points the ship

410
00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:37,800
Speaker 1: towards the direction where he thinks the Isle of acent

411
00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:41,240
Speaker 1: is and then boom, he just dips out Hal's anchor

412
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:47,359
Speaker 1: and it's leg hope for the best by pirates. He

413
00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:50,240
Speaker 1: just abandons Robbert and his crew back on the on

414
00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:53,119
Speaker 1: the Nico Bars there. So Robert and his crew are

415
00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:57,359
Speaker 1: a little nervous because along with this story about them

416
00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:00,200
Speaker 1: having tails and horns and all this stuff, and they're

417
00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:03,560
Speaker 1: very popular rumor about the Nico Bars is that the

418
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:08,320
Speaker 1: natives have these neighbors who are and Aman cannibals, and

419
00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:12,600
Speaker 1: apparently they're so fierce that maybe they make these islanders

420
00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:17,720
Speaker 1: provide them five fresh human victims every year to roast

421
00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:21,359
Speaker 1: slowly over a leafy fire. So they're all nervous, like,

422
00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:24,080
Speaker 1: oh no, at any any day, now, the niko Bar

423
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:26,440
Speaker 1: is just going to hand us over to the Andamans.

424
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:28,640
Speaker 1: And maybe they just fed us so that we would

425
00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:33,720
Speaker 1: be good feeding someone else. Yeah, But that same night,

426
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:38,080
Speaker 1: John Swan, our old buddy, and James Gilliam are just

427
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:41,200
Speaker 1: south of niko Bars on an English East India Company

428
00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:43,680
Speaker 1: ship called the Mocha Frigate. This is the ship that

429
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:46,480
Speaker 1: they got onto from Bombay, and this is one of

430
00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:49,200
Speaker 1: the finest ships in the fleet. It's huge, it's got

431
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:53,160
Speaker 1: big guns, and they're headed to China. But morale is low.

432
00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:58,920
Speaker 1: The captain sucks. His name is Leonard Edgecomb and he

433
00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:02,119
Speaker 1: was a dick, I'm even by those standards in the

434
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:05,960
Speaker 1: seventeenth century, very low bar and he went under it.

435
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:10,359
Speaker 1: So anyway, this guy sucks real bad and a third

436
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:14,440
Speaker 1: of his crew bailed and left him on his you know,

437
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:17,880
Speaker 1: with with very few people left. So at this point,

438
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:21,119
Speaker 1: when he gets to Bombay, he's like, yeah, John Swan,

439
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:24,520
Speaker 1: James gilliam you guys want to join up? Yeah, I'll

440
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:27,320
Speaker 1: take anybody. Well, more foolish for him because they were pirates.

441
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:29,159
Speaker 1: I don't think he knew they were acting. He was

442
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:31,800
Speaker 1: just like, ah, you're some stout men who look like

443
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:34,639
Speaker 1: you know what you're about, right, come on board. And

444
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:38,480
Speaker 1: they were like, sure, well, come on board your your ship. Sure,

445
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:41,600
Speaker 1: it'll be your ship for a long time. So I

446
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:43,960
Speaker 1: guess how well that turned out for him. Very soon

447
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:48,840
Speaker 1: after they joined up, James gilliam sneaks into Edgecomb's birth

448
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:52,159
Speaker 1: while he's sleeping and slits his throat. Man, a lot

449
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:54,480
Speaker 1: of a lot of bedtime throat slitting going on in

450
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:56,399
Speaker 1: this age. You have to wonder about the bed sheets

451
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:58,840
Speaker 1: who washed all this blood out. I imagine that it

452
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:02,359
Speaker 1: was just polite to have red bedsheets that the stains

453
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:04,960
Speaker 1: didn't show through. And it's like, let me save you

454
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 1: the trouble. Yeah. So they take over the ship and

455
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:10,600
Speaker 1: they offer everyone on board a chance for the merry life.

456
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 1: In short, they're like, you can all be pirates. To

457
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:15,159
Speaker 1: a lot of them, twenty six of them said no,

458
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:17,720
Speaker 1: we don't want to be pirates. Many of the pirates

459
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:20,639
Speaker 1: voted to kill the people who wouldn't join them, but

460
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,159
Speaker 1: the majority voted to let them go. So here's that

461
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 1: democracy at work. And they sent eighteen of them off.

462
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:29,239
Speaker 1: They actually set them down pretty close to land. They

463
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:32,520
Speaker 1: gave them oars and a sale and some water and

464
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:35,440
Speaker 1: everything like. They were really pretty nice to them. My

465
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:40,840
Speaker 1: pirate standards. Oh you don't want to be pirates, do you. Well,

466
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:45,720
Speaker 1: we'll show you. Here you go be safe. Now, here's

467
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:47,600
Speaker 1: the water, it's food. You don't want to you know,

468
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:49,920
Speaker 1: make sure you cover up, you don't want to get sunburned.

469
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:52,960
Speaker 1: And off you go. Care for sale and the pirate

470
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 1: ship frigging. I brought your step as your deep art

471
00:26:56,680 --> 00:27:01,879
Speaker 1: the ship. It's really not they're very you know, for

472
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 1: murderous rapists. Again, the relatively nice. It's really hard to

473
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,879
Speaker 1: kind of set up a benchmark for these guys. They

474
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 1: did keep eight of the guys that wanted to leave.

475
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 1: They made them stay, probably because they were pretty skilled.

476
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 1: So they don't send Johnny out. We need to keep him.

477
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:25,400
Speaker 1: He makes great cheese buttons. Oh yeah, I gotta keep

478
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 1: the cheese button guy. Um or because it was a

479
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 1: common gambit for people who wanted to become pirates to

480
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:35,359
Speaker 1: be like I'll say no, but like wink wink, I

481
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:37,680
Speaker 1: will be a pirate just right in the record that

482
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 1: you forcibly detained me, and it will help me this

483
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:44,920
Speaker 1: sentence if we get caught. So hey, I told them no,

484
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 1: I didn't want it, and then they made me be

485
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:49,639
Speaker 1: a pirate. They made me live in this democratic society

486
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:52,159
Speaker 1: where I got to do whatever I wanted, and they

487
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 1: also made me run a bunch of people through I

488
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:58,119
Speaker 1: promise he twisted me arm um. For example, they kept

489
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:02,040
Speaker 1: the surgeon whose name was John than Death, paging doctor Death,

490
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 1: you're needed on the poop deck. Could I get a

491
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:09,200
Speaker 1: different doctor? Please? Oh you've got a little scrape on

492
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 1: your knee. There, don't worry. They'll take you in to

493
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:15,639
Speaker 1: see doctor Death. Oh no, do you think that he

494
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:18,159
Speaker 1: was like, well, with this kind of name, I can

495
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 1: either be a doctor or mortician. There's it would be

496
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:25,880
Speaker 1: weird to be a baker named Death. So the eighteen

497
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 1: guys who were led off the ship who decided not

498
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:31,400
Speaker 1: to be pirates and left, they ended up in ancient

499
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:35,200
Speaker 1: where they met James Croft, the guy who Culiford had kidnapped,

500
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 1: and then he stole culiford ship and left him stranded.

501
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 1: He's there hanging on ancient he made it, and he's

502
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 1: hanging out with the captain of this ship, the Elizabeth,

503
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 1: George Wallace, and they all get drinks together, and they

504
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 1: hear James's heroic story about how he stole a ship

505
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 1: back from a dread pirate. So there I was alone

506
00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 1: in the ship. They are all ashore, and I think

507
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 1: to myself, might as well give it a go. You know,

508
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 1: you must be a my fine captain sailor ship all

509
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 1: by yourself. That's right. I did it all me self,

510
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 1: hosted the mainsail, and I poor poured it out of there. Anyway,

511
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 1: Another round on me. So he tells them and George

512
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 1: Wallace all about stealing the Josiah and leaving Robert and

513
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 1: his pirates stranded on Nicobars, And nine of these eighteen

514
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 1: guys sign on to go with Captain Wallace and the

515
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 1: Elizabeth to go after Robert on Nicobars. They think if

516
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 1: the natives hadn't eaten him, the English East India Company

517
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 1: would pay a pretty sweet ransom for capturing a pirate.

518
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:45,239
Speaker 1: These guys load up out of the Elizabeth and they

519
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 1: head that way. So we got three factions right now.

520
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 1: I just want to clarify because all these names sound

521
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 1: the damn same. You've got Robert Clifford and his boys

522
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 1: with the Natives on Nicobars. You've got John Swan and

523
00:29:57,080 --> 00:30:00,200
Speaker 1: James Gilliam who are aboard the Mocha freaking. And then

524
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 1: you've got George Wallace on the Elizabeth and all his

525
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 1: boys going to capture Clifford from the Native Island. So

526
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 1: Wallace is on the Elizabeth, as you say, he gets

527
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 1: to Niko Bars and he pretends to just be this

528
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 1: defenseless merchant ship. Oh all I have is golden food

529
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 1: on this ship and nothing to defend it with valuable goods?

530
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 1: Oh what do I do? And it lures Roberts as

531
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 1: they expected. It lures Robert, who thinks it's this easy take,

532
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 1: and they capture him and two other pirates that had

533
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 1: swam out to grab them, and tied him up below decks.

534
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 1: And they would have left right away, take him back

535
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 1: to the English East India Company. That might have been

536
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 1: the last time we ever heard of Robert Culiford. But

537
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 1: a storm blew up and they had to wait it out,

538
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 1: and the next day, who should show up but the

539
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 1: Mocha Frigate with James Gilliam and John Swan on board.

540
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 1: They've got a pirate crew of thirty five and they'd

541
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 1: show up. They see the Elizabeth and they find out

542
00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 1: that they've got pirate prisoners, and they said, hey, you

543
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 1: got to release those pirates because we're pirates. We're not

544
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 1: gonna give you to us. Yeah, we'll take him, We'll

545
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 1: turn him into our pirates. Yeah we need more guys. Yeah,

546
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 1: I've only got thirty five. And Wallace, of course, it

547
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 1: is like, hell, no, I'm gonna take these guys back.

548
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 1: I'm going to get the ransom for him. So he

549
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 1: goes to the governor of Siam and says, hey, you've

550
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 1: got to detain these pirates because they're being real mean

551
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 1: to us. And Siam is like, no, I'm sorry, you're

552
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 1: English and I am dealing with you right now because

553
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 1: for some reason, us folks from Siam aren't on the

554
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 1: best of terms with you English folks, and we're not

555
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 1: just gonna do whatever the funk you ask us to

556
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 1: at the drop of a hat. I can't imagine why not.

557
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 1: Apparently with some ruckits back in seven that they were like,

558
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 1: actually fun, you guys. Yeah, it was some ruckis back

559
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 1: in all the time. So Wallace realizes, all right, I

560
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 1: can't Siam is not gonna help me. I can't wait

561
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 1: these pirates out. So and if I don't get the

562
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 1: funk out of here, they're gonna take all of my ship.

563
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 1: The is a big pirate ship with a lot of

564
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 1: fucking pirates would probably kill me and probably kill me too. Yeah,

565
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 1: So all right, they want the prisoners, will give them

566
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 1: the prisoners, and they put them in a little rowboat

567
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 1: and they send them back to shore and they say, hey, Siam,

568
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 1: you arrest these pirates. You guys deal with them. And

569
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 1: it was a trick because as soon as the Mocha

570
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 1: Frigate pirates go after the rowboat, the Elizabeth dips. They

571
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 1: make a getaway. They managed to escape. They slipped away

572
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:28,959
Speaker 1: while the Mocha Frigate went for the bait. So it's

573
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 1: pretty smart on George Wallace's part. And Robert and the

574
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 1: other two pirates are hoisted aboard the Mocha Frigate like

575
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 1: heroes and given like a big welcome, and from across

576
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 1: the deck, John Swan sees Robert Clifford is one of

577
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 1: these prisoners, and he goes running across the deck of

578
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 1: the ship, pushing pirates out of the way. Jumps into

579
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 1: his arms and Robert picks them up and twirls them around.

580
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 1: It gives them the sun set us right behind them,

581
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 1: and it makes little heart silhouette between their chicks water.

582
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 1: It makes a rain. A dolphin jumps, it's very at

583
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 1: least a frank, but then a whale jumps, and then

584
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 1: a whale jumps. Wow, a lot of things jump. It's

585
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 1: just beautiful moment. That's historical record. Now. And they already

586
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 1: had a captain, so they made Robert quartermaster because everybody

587
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 1: loves Robert. I mean everyone loves Robert. Uh. And then

588
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 1: when the captain died shortly after, they made Robert the captain.

589
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 1: He's only thirty years old. And Richard Zachs again in

590
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 1: The Pirate Hunter, wrote that probably the reason they liked

591
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 1: Culifford so much was that he was daring without a

592
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 1: death wish, a man with larcenous plans, a surprisingly good

593
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 1: bottle companion, witty athletic, clearly devious but trustworthy to his mates,

594
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 1: and all that combined with the ability to read and write,

595
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 1: which really impressed his pirate colleagues made him a very

596
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 1: tough candidate to beat for captain. So yeah, you can

597
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 1: kind of see why everybody was sort of into this guy.

598
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 1: He even had this brilliant idea one time when they

599
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 1: were fighting are he ordered the men to haul the

600
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:02,480
Speaker 1: China dishes that they had off a captured ship and

601
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 1: shoved them into the cannons and fire them at the

602
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:08,760
Speaker 1: next ship they were fighting, so that would shred their sails.

603
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 1: I immediately thought of Pirates of the Caribbean when they

604
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 1: did that. Yes, and then the guy had the fork

605
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:20,320
Speaker 1: stuck in his glass eye. So Gorbinski got that from somewhere.

606
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:22,279
Speaker 1: That was not totally made up. That was a real

607
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 1: thing that happened. The Mocha frigates sales from Madagascar. We've

608
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 1: got John Swan, we've got Robert Clifford, and we've got

609
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:32,359
Speaker 1: James Gilliam and the surgeon John Death on board. Dr

610
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:35,719
Speaker 1: Death on board. So the fab four sail in the

611
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:39,399
Speaker 1: seventh seas here it's and they decided to go hang

612
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:42,279
Speaker 1: out on St. Mary's Island in Madagascar for a little

613
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 1: while lay low, and so yeah, Robert hold up in

614
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:48,360
Speaker 1: a Malagasy village, living in a shack on stilts with

615
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:53,279
Speaker 1: a trio of Dirk skinned Lovely's this is so good.

616
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:56,759
Speaker 1: Most of the time that he's here, Captain Kidd is

617
00:34:56,880 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 1: also there and he's spent. Oh, he just wants to

618
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:03,399
Speaker 1: catch Robert Clifford so bad. I mean, this guy really

619
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 1: did him dirty. And Captain Kidd's whole job is to

620
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 1: catch pirates. Captain Kidd kind of had this like real

621
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:13,279
Speaker 1: shifty arrangement. He was a really unique position. Or he

622
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 1: was basically operating as like a freelance non pirates sort of.

623
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 1: He was catching pirates and bringing their haul back um.

624
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 1: But of course he had a really hard time with

625
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:24,880
Speaker 1: that because a lot of his crew always just wanted

626
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 1: to be pirates and take the treasure that they looted. Um.

627
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 1: So it was always a trick for him. But he's

628
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:33,799
Speaker 1: here in Madagascar and he's their eyeball on each other.

629
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 1: They can never quite neither of them can do anything,

630
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 1: but they're both just like I see you, I'm gonna

631
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 1: get you you. Yeah, they don't. They don't know how

632
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 1: each other's doing, you know, like, how's your ship conditions?

633
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 1: How many men do you have? They're not quite sure,

634
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 1: so that's why they're not attacking each other because they

635
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 1: don't know if they can win. Yet. It seems like

636
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 1: Kid's gonna get lucky because the backup shows up for him.

637
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 1: Another ship arrives that's friends with him, but unfortunately, as

638
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 1: you pointed out, his crew is so over him they

639
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 1: really want to be pirates. He won't let him be pirates,

640
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 1: so they mutiny and nine six nineties six of them

641
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 1: desert him for Robert. It reminds me of Macrinus in

642
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 1: the Ella Abolis story if you haven't listened to that

643
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 1: episode where he sends his best men that he has

644
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 1: left to go out and and kill all the people

645
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:27,840
Speaker 1: who who were traders and signed up to fight with

646
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 1: Ella Ablis, and all of his lieutenants are like, yeah,

647
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 1: we'll go do that, and then as soon as they leave,

648
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 1: they're like, no, we're ditching you and we're going to

649
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 1: sign up with them instead. Yes, Oh my god. Similar

650
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 1: energy here. Captain Kidd had a bunch of gold and

651
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 1: jewels and stuff that they had got, and so the

652
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 1: mutineers are trying to get it from him, and he

653
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:49,400
Speaker 1: basically runs ashore. He barricades himself in this cabin, and

654
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:52,319
Speaker 1: he's got most of the most valuable stuff on him,

655
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:54,879
Speaker 1: and they never do get it because Kid is kind

656
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:57,800
Speaker 1: of a patsy in his life, unfortunately. But he was

657
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:01,279
Speaker 1: a very brave and smart guy also, and so he

658
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 1: managed to keep them from a killing him and his friend,

659
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 1: his loyal companions and getting all this treasure. But whatever

660
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 1: he left on the ships, they took that ship. They

661
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:16,720
Speaker 1: burned the ships, and then they fucked off, left Captain

662
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 1: Kidd high and dry yet again, June stranded until at

663
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:27,239
Speaker 1: least October. So rude, can you imagine how piste off

664
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:30,840
Speaker 1: Captain Kidd would have God damn this fucking guy. So

665
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 1: Culiford sailed off to try and get this Muslim pilgrim

666
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:36,919
Speaker 1: fleet he'd heard about. There was this rumor going around

667
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 1: that there was this huge, i mean, the white whale

668
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 1: of ship plunders right, you had if you could bring

669
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 1: this down. This is the this is what's the hotel

670
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 1: they robbed in ocean? This is this is the like,

671
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 1: if you you can get this one, we can retire.

672
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:54,879
Speaker 1: This is the ship. So he meets up with these

673
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:56,839
Speaker 1: two other pirates that are kind of lying in wait

674
00:37:56,920 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 1: for this ship. Captain Derek Shivers of ever Me Timbers Fame,

675
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 1: I suppose um and he's sailing this ship, it's a

676
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 1: real leaky old ship called the Soldados. And then Captain

677
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:12,759
Speaker 1: Wheeler who's sailing the Pelican, and they all agree, all right,

678
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 1: the three of us, we're doing this. We're gonna work

679
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 1: together to take down this fleet and we'll share whatever

680
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 1: we get. So they're sailing out and they pull up

681
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:26,360
Speaker 1: on this pilgrim ship, the Great Mohammed. Clifford and Shivers

682
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 1: managed to take this ship down, but the Pelican was

683
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 1: dragon asked too slow, and they took two shots, but

684
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:37,319
Speaker 1: like let's land in the water, never got close enough. Yep.

685
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 1: I just couldn't do it. So so when when Wheeler

686
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 1: shows up and he's like, hey, we did it, guys,

687
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:49,279
Speaker 1: Hey we can. We're gonna split this three ways, right No, no, no,

688
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:54,239
Speaker 1: uh we're not. We're gonna take this nice try. But

689
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 1: you didn't help, so by he didn't do jack ship. Yep.

690
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 1: But they managed to haul in a bunch of treasure

691
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 1: and goods and everything that ended up being worth two

692
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty one thousand pounds. This was the biggest

693
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:12,760
Speaker 1: capture in the history of piracy. In the East Indies,

694
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 1: insanely huge Hall still waiting to break that record today.

695
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:22,279
Speaker 1: That's basically let's see, so we calculate that up and

696
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 1: get the total intoday's money, that's going to be equal

697
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:31,280
Speaker 1: to over forty two million dollars. You know. They were happy,

698
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:33,280
Speaker 1: Oh not bad, and there was what like a hundred

699
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:36,399
Speaker 1: and thirty of them probably and yeah, as we say,

700
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 1: pirates not great people. Um, they did torture and kill

701
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:42,719
Speaker 1: a lot of people on board. Sorry, it was fun

702
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 1: for a second, but we got to bring it down. Yeah,

703
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 1: I just want to be real. I just want to

704
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 1: be real. Sorry, guys, I'm the buzz kill of the podcast.

705
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 1: I think they were the buzz kills for doing all this.

706
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 1: We were having fun and then you assholes had to

707
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 1: go and be assholes the time with this boat heist,

708
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:01,800
Speaker 1: no unfortunate and we're talking about a pilgrim ship. So

709
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 1: there were a lot of women on board and all

710
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 1: of them got raped very brutally in broad daylight, over

711
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:12,400
Speaker 1: sixty women, um enough so that four of them jumped

712
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 1: overboard and a fifth stabbed herself because of the shame

713
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:18,880
Speaker 1: and probably afraid to get pregnant by these pirates and

714
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:22,320
Speaker 1: stuff like that. So because of that part of it,

715
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 1: this heist, this taking of this ship not only got

716
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 1: up the usual economic outrage about the money lost and

717
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:31,719
Speaker 1: the goods lost and everything, but also a lot of

718
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 1: religious outrage came from it. They were like, they desecrated

719
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 1: our our women, and you know, it was just a

720
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:43,880
Speaker 1: really big problem. So the Muslim port Serat, which is

721
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:46,240
Speaker 1: where the Great Mohammad had left from, they they closed

722
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:49,760
Speaker 1: their port to any English ship because this was the problem.

723
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 1: Okay with piracy. It was not just that they were

724
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 1: stealing stuff and the merchants had to replace it or

725
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:57,360
Speaker 1: lost money or whatever. It was that, but it was

726
00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 1: also because India and all these other foreign countries they

727
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:05,240
Speaker 1: were going to trade with basically lumped all Europeans together

728
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:07,720
Speaker 1: and they were like, I don't really need to sort

729
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:10,920
Speaker 1: you out by country or if who's a merchant and

730
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 1: who's a pirate, I don't care. So the English East

731
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:16,720
Speaker 1: India Company was getting blamed for a lot of stuff

732
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:19,400
Speaker 1: that pirates were doing, so it was making them furious.

733
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 1: It was making trade just a horrible problem. Of course,

734
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 1: if they closed up port, that foxed it up for

735
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 1: a lot of people back at home. So it was

736
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:32,880
Speaker 1: a big deal, and nobody talked about Clifford and Shivers.

737
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 1: The only name they had heard rumored as being a

738
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 1: crazy pirate in these parts it was poor old Captain Kidd.

739
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:43,399
Speaker 1: Captain Kidd, so they blamed it all on Captain Kidd,

740
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:45,799
Speaker 1: and he got in trouble for that ship, even though

741
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:47,279
Speaker 1: he never did any of that. He ended up in

742
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:49,360
Speaker 1: jail in Boston for a long time, and then he

743
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:51,360
Speaker 1: had to go to England to stand trial for some

744
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:54,279
Speaker 1: ship he did not eat then do. It's so tough

745
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 1: with Captain Kid because he's like literally trying to do

746
00:41:57,239 --> 00:41:59,360
Speaker 1: the right thing, but he has to do it so

747
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:01,839
Speaker 1: secretive lee that no one really knows what he's doing,

748
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 1: so he's just his his image is so tarnished while

749
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 1: he's trying to be good. Meanwhile, Robert and Swan and

750
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:13,880
Speaker 1: everyone else, all the other pirates are flesh with cash,

751
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 1: as John Ralphia would say. So they vote to head

752
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:21,760
Speaker 1: back to America in England by way of St. Mary's

753
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 1: Island and Madagascar. They decided to have a little island

754
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:27,359
Speaker 1: life first. It's a nice stopping point. The Captain's brought

755
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 1: hundreds of gallons of wine and it's an easy sail

756
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:36,279
Speaker 1: from South India down to Madagascar, and pretty soon they

757
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:39,840
Speaker 1: turned this into just a floating all men, womenless party

758
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 1: for the world's biggest floating stag party. No do d girlies,

759
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:47,320
Speaker 1: no do ade girlies at this party. A real, a

760
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 1: real hairy thoughship. You think they played me Susa. So

761
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:56,400
Speaker 1: these men they're sailing down there, they gambled, they drank,

762
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:59,239
Speaker 1: they danced with each other. Pirate fiddler was working over

763
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 1: time on this boat to fit what I'm saying. This

764
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:07,320
Speaker 1: guy's fiddling. And around Christmas they arrived in St. Mary's

765
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:09,400
Speaker 1: and they met up with Captain Shelley, who was a

766
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 1: merchant ship from New York who was there with a

767
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:15,360
Speaker 1: boatload of ship and he was all too happy to

768
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:18,239
Speaker 1: sell it to all these guys. He's and he was like, oh,

769
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:20,439
Speaker 1: I'm I'm just taking all this stuff back to ports

770
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:22,319
Speaker 1: so i can sell it. And they're like, why don't

771
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 1: you sell that ship right here? And he's like, great,

772
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:30,719
Speaker 1: save me a fucking trip. He's selling him wine, rum pipes, pistols, gunpowder,

773
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:36,919
Speaker 1: fancy hats, mirrors and combs and scissors and shirts. Whatever

774
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 1: he's got on board. They're buying. They're setting up a

775
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 1: life for themselves here. Yeah, they were crowding so much

776
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 1: to get on his ship to buy liquor from him,

777
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:48,320
Speaker 1: that he couldn't fit them all on. So he built

778
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 1: a shack on shore and made a bar and sold

779
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:57,840
Speaker 1: him liquor out there. Business is boob. We got a

780
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 1: marguarite a bill going was the first. Like Captain Shelley,

781
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 1: this is a pretty sleepy place. It's not a busy port.

782
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:11,799
Speaker 1: It's a very primitive island. It's real cheap to live there.

783
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 1: There's plenty of meat and there's fruit to be had.

784
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 1: There's lemurs run around, and they usually shot at them,

785
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 1: and they spoked with them, which is sucking rude. But

786
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 1: in Pirate Hunter he points out that one pirate got

787
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 1: mauled by a pack of lemurs and his buddies were

788
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 1: laughing too hard to rescue him. I don't like why

789
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:33,399
Speaker 1: you shoot at a monkey, bitch. Monkeys are smart, they'll

790
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 1: shoot back. Don't funk with a monkey. And so a

791
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:39,359
Speaker 1: lot of them were a lot of these pirates are

792
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:41,799
Speaker 1: really eager to get home because they've got they've got

793
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:44,759
Speaker 1: money now for days that they can live very comfortably.

794
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 1: And a lot of people weren't pirates because they liked it.

795
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 1: They were there for the money, and so once they

796
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:53,320
Speaker 1: got their retirement funds, they would suck off. But Robert

797
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 1: quote comfortably settled himself along with his great consort John Swan,

798
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:02,759
Speaker 1: and apparently auditions some of the islands cinnamon colored, high

799
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:06,719
Speaker 1: cheekboned women for the honor of being Mrs Culifort. That's

800
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:12,760
Speaker 1: such a white writer thing to do cinnamon. Anyway, Captain

801
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:15,720
Speaker 1: Johnson wrote, they married the most beautiful of the women,

802
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:18,280
Speaker 1: not one or two, but as many as they liked,

803
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 1: so that every one of them had as great ast

804
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 1: seraglio as the grand sing you're at Constantinople. But so

805
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:28,920
Speaker 1: that was a nice throwback to our Suleman episode trying

806
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:32,360
Speaker 1: to be a little sliman going. And I also just

807
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 1: want to note they didn't really marry the women legally.

808
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 1: It was just preferred that you kind of picked a

809
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 1: prostitute or to to like be your wife while you

810
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:42,759
Speaker 1: were there, instead of like seeing a different girl every night.

811
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 1: So that's it wasn't really like Mrs Culifort. It was

812
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:49,359
Speaker 1: like this is my prostitute while I'm here kind of thing.

813
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:52,800
Speaker 1: And also this quote where they called John Swan his

814
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:55,719
Speaker 1: great consort. This is kind of a lynch bin that

815
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 1: made historians wonder if they had kind of more going

816
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 1: on than a professional relation ship. Some historians say consort

817
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:05,319
Speaker 1: was a professional term for a fellow sailor, like kind

818
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:07,759
Speaker 1: of a right hand man. But I mean here they are,

819
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 1: with like all the money they could ever want, and

820
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 1: they still chose to live together. Yeah. They two of

821
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:14,360
Speaker 1: them in this shack with all that with you know,

822
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:17,279
Speaker 1: a bunch of wives they picked up, but they have

823
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 1: never left each other's side this whole time. That's what

824
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 1: That's what made me be like, I know, it's just

825
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 1: like a throwaway line, and there was some historians were like,

826
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 1: that's not what consort means to pirates and stuff. It's

827
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:31,240
Speaker 1: not the same. But to me, yeah, they're like cramped

828
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:33,279
Speaker 1: on a ship for months and months. Now they're on

829
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:35,319
Speaker 1: an island where they have plenty of money. They can

830
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:38,840
Speaker 1: live separately, but they choose to live together and share wives.

831
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 1: I don't know. To me, that seems that just speaks

832
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:45,440
Speaker 1: to a closer connection than just that's my that's my bro,

833
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Right, And Culifort and his entourage,

834
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:50,920
Speaker 1: they all chilled out on the beach and they ate

835
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:53,800
Speaker 1: zebu and goat, and yeah it was fresh meat that

836
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 1: they just ate right then and there after they killed it.

837
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:58,759
Speaker 1: I mean, this is after years of eating salted beef

838
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:04,360
Speaker 1: and like hatoes out of a barrel ship and unimaginable luxury.

839
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:08,400
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and they've got fresh caribbean rum coming off

840
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:10,960
Speaker 1: a Shelley's ship. They got everything they want. Why would

841
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 1: they want to leave? So after sunset he was lounging

842
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 1: in a bed with his wives and Colorford and Swan.

843
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 1: They said, you know what, We're gonna stay right here

844
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:26,399
Speaker 1: a while in Pirate Paradise, and we're going to come

845
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 1: back to Pirate Paradise right after this. Soon. May the

846
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 1: weiller man come and bring a sugar and tea and rum.

847
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 1: One day when the tongue in is done, I'll take

848
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 1: mighty even go something like that. Welcome back to Pirate Paradise, everybody,

849
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 1: which also, by the way, could be a cool margarita

850
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 1: Ville type restaurant. Pirate Paradise. They're living it up on St.

851
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 1: Mary's and this guy, Samuel Burgess shows up on another

852
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 1: merchant ship. He's got like all the same ship that

853
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:02,720
Speaker 1: captained Shelley as it turns out Shelly knew that Burgess

854
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:04,319
Speaker 1: was on the way, and that's why I was trying

855
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:07,719
Speaker 1: real hard to push his goods on these pirates. And

856
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 1: so when Burgess gets there, he's like, fuck you man,

857
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 1: there's a place in hell for guys like you. Scooped

858
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:17,840
Speaker 1: my business exactly because Shelly not only sold them a

859
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:20,240
Speaker 1: bunch of stuff that Burgess wants to sell them also,

860
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:24,160
Speaker 1: but he also had convinced many of these pirates to

861
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 1: pay him for passage home, because if you got on

862
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 1: a merchant ship, they could kind of fudge your credentials

863
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:33,279
Speaker 1: and you could duck the whole pirate thing. You get

864
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 1: back with your stuff and not be bothered. Um. So

865
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:40,200
Speaker 1: he was like, oh, come on, I'll take you. And

866
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 1: Shelly loved taking passengers because he's like, not only do

867
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 1: they pay me a fee for the ride, but I

868
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 1: get to sell them shipped for five months. While they're

869
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 1: on board, they're going to drink my my drinks, and

870
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:50,719
Speaker 1: they're gonna eat my food. They're gonna have to pay

871
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:53,720
Speaker 1: me for that. Coliford didn't want to go with Shelly

872
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 1: back to England or anything like that, but he did

873
00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:00,880
Speaker 1: send money to one of his dead CREWM and BRS wives.

874
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 1: His wife was living in England and he sends her

875
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:07,360
Speaker 1: three thousand pieces of eight. Why don't jump in here.

876
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:11,239
Speaker 1: Piece of eight is one eighth of of coin of

877
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:13,880
Speaker 1: a Spanish real from what I could tell, so that

878
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 1: had the buying power equal to about twelve dollars and

879
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:19,719
Speaker 1: fifty cents today. So three thousand pieces of eight he's

880
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 1: sending back to this life is at seven thousand five

881
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 1: dollars in today's money, which is a fortune, especially in

882
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 1: the sixteen nineties. I mean, this wife is probably very

883
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:35,200
Speaker 1: excited to get this package. And again that's the pirates

884
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:37,799
Speaker 1: are really making the navy and the merchants look bad

885
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:41,400
Speaker 1: because not only are they paying their fucking workers, but

886
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:44,279
Speaker 1: they're paying the wife of a dead guy, you know

887
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:47,440
Speaker 1: what I mean. They're making sure that she gets her share, yea.

888
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 1: And meanwhile, people in the Navy are being delayed payments

889
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:53,640
Speaker 1: for months on end, so much that they would write

890
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 1: letters being like, we will become pirates because we cannot

891
00:49:56,800 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 1: eat unless you pay me, and they almost rioted and stuff.

892
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:04,640
Speaker 1: So I'm just staying they made their own pirates. Okay,

893
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:08,560
Speaker 1: the East Indie Company made pirates. They didn't just fight pirates.

894
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:11,920
Speaker 1: They created them. Shelley leaves. He's like, all right, I

895
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:14,720
Speaker 1: have they have bled me dry off, sold enough shipped

896
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 1: for a while here, you know. And he takes the

897
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:19,640
Speaker 1: three thousand pieces of eight for the wife and he

898
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:24,520
Speaker 1: heads back. But Burgess stays with all his fancy ship

899
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:27,800
Speaker 1: and nice goods. So Robert and John continue living a

900
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:30,600
Speaker 1: cushy life. They've still got all the supplies they could

901
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 1: ever want to live in this sweet beach life, salt life,

902
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:40,200
Speaker 1: and they could afford all the best that Burgess had

903
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:43,160
Speaker 1: to offer. He tried to tempt Clifford to pay him

904
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:46,400
Speaker 1: for a ride home. But see, Clifford new Samuel Burgess

905
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:49,239
Speaker 1: because way back in the day he had been a

906
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:52,320
Speaker 1: part of the party that stole Captain Kid's ship, the

907
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:54,960
Speaker 1: Blessed William way back in the day, I remember, And

908
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:57,560
Speaker 1: Burgess was actually the quartermaster for that ship. But the

909
00:50:57,719 --> 00:51:00,680
Speaker 1: pirates found out that he was cheating them, so they

910
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:04,319
Speaker 1: kicked him off the ship in Madagascar. In now it's

911
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:07,720
Speaker 1: years later, and Burgess is clearly got his ship together

912
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:10,400
Speaker 1: and he's sailing this merchant ship now with all this stuff.

913
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:13,759
Speaker 1: But Clifford is still pissed at him for that yeah,

914
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:16,399
Speaker 1: Burgess had just got lucky because normally a few cheat

915
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:18,880
Speaker 1: pirates they maroon you forever, they don't come back to you,

916
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:22,400
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But after Clifford and his

917
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:26,480
Speaker 1: friends got grabbed up by those mangreel locals and put

918
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 1: in jail, I guess the crew just needed some people

919
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:33,320
Speaker 1: because they got eighteen of them, and so they returned

920
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:35,800
Speaker 1: for Burgess and they found him begging in the streets

921
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:38,080
Speaker 1: and they were like, you can come back, so at

922
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:40,320
Speaker 1: any rate. Clifford was like, no, I'm not going to

923
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 1: sail home with you. I don't even trust you. But

924
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:45,919
Speaker 1: he does send a note with him to that same

925
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:49,759
Speaker 1: widow of his crew member, and he said, I want

926
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:52,359
Speaker 1: to let her know the money I sent and how

927
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 1: much I sent, just in case Shelley, you know, dropped

928
00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:57,959
Speaker 1: it somewhere something, it fell off the back of the boat,

929
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:00,239
Speaker 1: you know. So it just goes to show like how

930
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:04,240
Speaker 1: honorable these guys were in their own way about certain things.

931
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:08,800
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, very specific, selectively honorable. But you know

932
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:11,800
Speaker 1: it's again, it's kind of honor among thieves, like you know,

933
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:14,239
Speaker 1: this is for my crewmates. So I'm gonna take care

934
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:15,799
Speaker 1: of him, and I'm gonna take care of his wife.

935
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:17,920
Speaker 1: And this is exactly how they would treat a matelode

936
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:20,719
Speaker 1: as well, right, so you know, if the matelote was

937
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:22,759
Speaker 1: not on board, they would find him and give him

938
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:25,320
Speaker 1: this share like that was really important to them. And

939
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 1: Culiford and Swan ended up hanging out on St. Mary's

940
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:32,640
Speaker 1: Island from April to August, just chilling, the two of

941
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 1: them and their wives and interject I looked it up

942
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:40,000
Speaker 1: and this is the best time to hang out in Madagascar,

943
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:43,840
Speaker 1: it said the best times to visit Madagascar are between

944
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 1: April and October, where temperatures range from seventy two degrees

945
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:52,000
Speaker 1: to eighty four degrees. There's very little rain, just beautiful

946
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:55,919
Speaker 1: beach life. I can't imagine. Sounds great. Oh my god,

947
00:52:56,160 --> 00:53:00,920
Speaker 1: Tanning take away a fucking chill in take away the

948
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:03,760
Speaker 1: long history of murder and rape and being a monster,

949
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:07,160
Speaker 1: and I would totally dive into this, right. But then

950
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:11,480
Speaker 1: in August what changes in August? Well, Captain Thomas Warren

951
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:15,719
Speaker 1: showed up and Captain Thomas Warren has this proclamation from

952
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:22,400
Speaker 1: his uncle, the Commodore Warren. Commodore Warren, Yeah, and that

953
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 1: that states that Thomas has been tasked with granting pardons

954
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:32,080
Speaker 1: to any English pirate immediately, what a deal. Apparently the

955
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:35,919
Speaker 1: commodore was like, I gotta destroy pirates. So to most

956
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:37,719
Speaker 1: people that means I arrest him or I kill them.

957
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:43,359
Speaker 1: But if I pardon them, they're not pirates anymore. Boom, Hey,

958
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:44,960
Speaker 1: you wanted me to get rid of the pirate problem.

959
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:47,520
Speaker 1: Now there aren't any. I don't have any pirates. Hey,

960
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:53,040
Speaker 1: if I legalized murder, then the crime rate is gonna plummet.

961
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:56,840
Speaker 1: Why haven't we thought about this before. If you just

962
00:53:57,040 --> 00:54:02,400
Speaker 1: pardon everyone, there's no criminals, there's no crime. So Robert

963
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:06,320
Speaker 1: here's about this deal, and he's really suspicious because you know,

964
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:08,440
Speaker 1: they fucking hate pirates. So he's like, this is probably

965
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:10,399
Speaker 1: a trap. Sounds a little too good. He's the only

966
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:12,759
Speaker 1: one who can read, so he's like, I'm gonna go

967
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:14,759
Speaker 1: check it out and make sure this isn't a trick.

968
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:17,600
Speaker 1: And he's all dressed up and fancy, and he goes

969
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:21,000
Speaker 1: to Warren's ship and he reads the proclamation and gets

970
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:23,920
Speaker 1: through all the fine print. It seems kosher, and he

971
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:27,480
Speaker 1: reads through all the fine print, and ironically, part of

972
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:29,800
Speaker 1: the fine print is that there are only two pirates

973
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:32,440
Speaker 1: who are not allowed to take part in these pardons

974
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:35,840
Speaker 1: because of their heinous crimes of piracy. One is a

975
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:41,320
Speaker 1: guy named Henry, every notorious pirate. Sure, every bad crime,

976
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:47,080
Speaker 1: Henry every behind it. And the other was Captain Kidd,

977
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:50,520
Speaker 1: one guy who had done his best not to be

978
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:52,719
Speaker 1: a pirate, but he got blamed for everything Robert did.

979
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:56,719
Speaker 1: And Richard Zach wrote, history has failed to record whether

980
00:54:56,920 --> 00:55:00,440
Speaker 1: Culiford laughed out loud, but I think he did must

981
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:04,080
Speaker 1: staff because he's like, I'm being offered a pardon that

982
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:07,320
Speaker 1: he's not allowed to get, and he's not allowed to

983
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:10,839
Speaker 1: get it because of the thing I did. He's gonna

984
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:15,160
Speaker 1: hang for my ship. That's funny. So yeah, he's so

985
00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:18,400
Speaker 1: he's reading that. He's laughing about Captain Kid, probably, but

986
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:21,759
Speaker 1: doesn't say why, oh nothing, nothing's funny, just a little

987
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:25,200
Speaker 1: private joke. But he you know, again, Robert's a smart guy.

988
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:28,719
Speaker 1: He's not stupid. So he asks Captain Warren, will you

989
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:30,600
Speaker 1: write on a piece of paper that you've promised me

990
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:33,399
Speaker 1: Robert Culifford a pardon. I want my own little piece

991
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 1: of paper, And so he does, and he keeps it

992
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:38,600
Speaker 1: on him in his pocket for over a year, and

993
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:41,279
Speaker 1: he asks Warren Hey, well, since you're gonna pardon us,

994
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:43,080
Speaker 1: can me and my friends get a ride back with

995
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:45,360
Speaker 1: you and you can set us down on English soil.

996
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:48,120
Speaker 1: And Warren's like, sure, no problem, and so Robert's like,

997
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:50,759
Speaker 1: holy sh it, this is perfect. I get to get

998
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:53,279
Speaker 1: away with everything I did. I get to keep all

999
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:56,200
Speaker 1: my money. Now I get to go home a freeman,

1000
00:55:56,719 --> 00:55:59,400
Speaker 1: back to my native England and live like a very

1001
00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:02,160
Speaker 1: rich guy for the rest of the days. So he

1002
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:04,560
Speaker 1: goes to Swan and the other pirates and he's like,

1003
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:06,680
Speaker 1: this is a great deal. We're going to take it.

1004
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:09,640
Speaker 1: They're like great, sounds great, and they decide not to

1005
00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:12,120
Speaker 1: take their servants or wives with them. They leave them

1006
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:14,880
Speaker 1: with some parting gifts like ribbons and silk, and they

1007
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:17,360
Speaker 1: leave right away with with Captain Warren. So we got

1008
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:21,000
Speaker 1: Coliford Swan and sixteen other pirates on board with with

1009
00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:24,160
Speaker 1: Thomas Warren right now. So they get on Thomas Warren's

1010
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:26,719
Speaker 1: ship and they're sailing out and they're gonna go meet

1011
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:29,480
Speaker 1: up with his uncle because he actually has to sign

1012
00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:31,880
Speaker 1: the pardon to make it real. Yeah, it doesn't count

1013
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:34,799
Speaker 1: if for the captain to say it. The commodore has

1014
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:36,560
Speaker 1: to give it to you. So right now, all they

1015
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:38,760
Speaker 1: have is a promise of a pardon, and I actually

1016
00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:42,520
Speaker 1: have a pardon. Nothing official. So they go to the

1017
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:46,400
Speaker 1: east coast of Madagascar where they're gonna meet Commodore Warren.

1018
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:49,920
Speaker 1: But here's the thing about Commodore Warren. He's got a nickname,

1019
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:53,880
Speaker 1: and that nickname is wrong Way Warren because he's a

1020
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:56,440
Speaker 1: dumb ass who doesn't know how to navigate, and he

1021
00:56:56,600 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 1: keeps going the wrong fucking way. How did he ever

1022
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:02,080
Speaker 1: get to be a commodore? You know, failing up is

1023
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:08,760
Speaker 1: as old as the that's the British Empire. So he sailed.

1024
00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:12,759
Speaker 1: So Commodore Warren sails up the west coast by accident,

1025
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:15,719
Speaker 1: never met a single pirate to issue a pardon for

1026
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:18,280
Speaker 1: on that side of the country because they're on the

1027
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:21,240
Speaker 1: east coast. They're on the east coast. It's not that

1028
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:26,560
Speaker 1: big of an island. He's just sailing up, like, let's see,

1029
00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:31,440
Speaker 1: is it left, which one's west? Left? Or right? Port starboard?

1030
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:38,000
Speaker 1: I can never remember these I don't know that way.

1031
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:40,720
Speaker 1: He just closes his eyes on points just look at

1032
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:45,400
Speaker 1: the compass. I'm I'm the commodore. I don't need your advice.

1033
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:50,560
Speaker 1: So he ends up totally in the wrong place. So

1034
00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:53,520
Speaker 1: the vine Thomas Warren's ship is just kind of waiting

1035
00:57:53,560 --> 00:57:55,560
Speaker 1: for him to show up, and then who sails by?

1036
00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:58,320
Speaker 1: But Burgess, Coliford, and the others are super happy to

1037
00:57:58,320 --> 00:58:01,080
Speaker 1: see him. They're like, great, we'll tell all our pirate

1038
00:58:01,120 --> 00:58:04,320
Speaker 1: friends about this pardon thing. But something's not right with

1039
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:07,520
Speaker 1: Burgess's ship. Turns out he'd been boarded by an East

1040
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:11,800
Speaker 1: India company guy named Louth. He decided, now funk this

1041
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:14,440
Speaker 1: whole pardons thing. I'm not going to pay attention to that,

1042
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:18,520
Speaker 1: and he arrested everyone on that ship as pirates. So Clifford,

1043
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:20,439
Speaker 1: going over here to try and talk to his friend,

1044
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:23,240
Speaker 1: doesn't realize that he's sailing right into a trap. And

1045
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:27,520
Speaker 1: Warren goes aboard Louths ship, and Louth again ignores the

1046
00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:30,040
Speaker 1: whole pardons thing. Warren's like, I'm telling you, I'm here

1047
00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:32,360
Speaker 1: to pardon pirates. That's the whole reason I'm here, and

1048
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:34,800
Speaker 1: Louth is like, I don't give a ship. I want

1049
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:37,640
Speaker 1: the reward for these pirates, so hand me over your

1050
00:58:37,720 --> 00:58:41,320
Speaker 1: pirate passengers, and Warren's like, I don't have any pirate passengers.

1051
00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:46,040
Speaker 1: They've been pardoned, so they're just regular passengers. Sorry, bit,

1052
00:58:46,680 --> 00:58:48,560
Speaker 1: and he said, if you funk with me, I will

1053
00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:50,600
Speaker 1: seek the protection of the Dutch, because the Dutch a

1054
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:52,760
Speaker 1: getting along with the English right now. So he's like,

1055
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:56,160
Speaker 1: I'll go tell him that you're you're messing with me wrongly,

1056
00:58:56,360 --> 00:59:00,440
Speaker 1: and they'll take they'll have my back. So Louth was

1057
00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:03,880
Speaker 1: like fat chance and has him shackled and thrown below

1058
00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:08,880
Speaker 1: decks in chains, and Cauliford gets suspicious because Warren's not

1059
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:12,320
Speaker 1: coming back right, So Louth gets forty guys. He's like,

1060
00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:14,560
Speaker 1: we're going to go aboard the vine. We're going to

1061
00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:18,960
Speaker 1: get these pirates. And they row out and they get

1062
00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:21,760
Speaker 1: close to the vine and they're about to like crawl

1063
00:59:21,880 --> 00:59:24,280
Speaker 1: up a rope and get on board and grab them.

1064
00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:28,840
Speaker 1: But what do they see Robert Culifford standing at the railing,

1065
00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:34,080
Speaker 1: smiling real big, surrounded by armed Dutch guards because he

1066
00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:36,800
Speaker 1: had got suspicious and was like, where's Warren. Okay, let

1067
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:39,560
Speaker 1: me take care of this situation because you don't get

1068
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:43,960
Speaker 1: one over Robert Culiford often anyway, And so they probably

1069
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:49,600
Speaker 1: were out in the middle between their two ships. Rollback,

1070
00:59:49,720 --> 00:59:54,680
Speaker 1: roll back, we got Dutch. Here, we got Dutch. So

1071
00:59:54,800 --> 00:59:57,680
Speaker 1: he goes back. Lord Louf is totally thwarted. He goes

1072
00:59:57,760 --> 00:59:59,920
Speaker 1: back to his own ship and finally decides to ask

1073
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:02,440
Speaker 1: war In a fucking question or two because he's an idiot,

1074
01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:05,160
Speaker 1: I guess, And that's when he finds out that Warren's

1075
01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:12,480
Speaker 1: uncle is the Commodore and suddenly gets a lot nicer. Oh, uncles,

1076
01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:18,800
Speaker 1: the Commodore, you say is the Commodore? Terrible misunderstanding. I

1077
01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:21,080
Speaker 1: thought you said you were like, never mind, The point

1078
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:23,800
Speaker 1: is what can I do for you? All right, my

1079
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:28,479
Speaker 1: good friend Thomas, what are these chains doing? It's so rude.

1080
01:00:28,520 --> 01:00:31,479
Speaker 1: I taught them not to do that. He likes shoots someone.

1081
01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:37,360
Speaker 1: How dare you the Commodore's nephew. That's just the Commodol's nephew.

1082
01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:41,280
Speaker 1: So he's like, suddenly a lot nicer to war and

1083
01:00:41,320 --> 01:00:44,560
Speaker 1: he's like, can you prove that this pardon thing is real? Y'all?

1084
01:00:44,600 --> 01:00:47,760
Speaker 1: Can all go? Sorry, no hard feelings. So all the

1085
01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:51,560
Speaker 1: pirates on board Warren's ship are good to go, but

1086
01:00:51,680 --> 01:00:54,919
Speaker 1: all the pirates, including Burgess, that are on mouth ship,

1087
01:00:55,120 --> 01:00:58,360
Speaker 1: they don't get a pardon. They're still arrested. So then

1088
01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:00,360
Speaker 1: Warren gets back to his own ship. Now he's got

1089
01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:03,640
Speaker 1: to bribe the freaking Dutch governor because they have all

1090
01:01:03,720 --> 01:01:07,360
Speaker 1: these armed guards here. But finally it all works out

1091
01:01:07,560 --> 01:01:11,640
Speaker 1: and they leave and they're heading to England. Burgess and Shivers,

1092
01:01:12,040 --> 01:01:14,640
Speaker 1: like I say, are still prisoners on Louth ship, and

1093
01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:19,200
Speaker 1: Shivers actually dies in a Bombay prison, and then Burgess

1094
01:01:19,320 --> 01:01:22,040
Speaker 1: ends up being shipped back to England to stand trial.

1095
01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:25,000
Speaker 1: So Culiford and Swan got to Saint Helena in February

1096
01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:28,840
Speaker 1: of They and a few others debarked there and they

1097
01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:32,720
Speaker 1: said goodbye. Swan and Culiford spoke, and Swan decided that

1098
01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:36,040
Speaker 1: he much preferred the warm Caribbean weather to the harsh

1099
01:01:36,120 --> 01:01:38,520
Speaker 1: winners of England, and he was going to continue on

1100
01:01:38,560 --> 01:01:42,560
Speaker 1: to Barbados. So Robert had to find a ride home,

1101
01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:45,640
Speaker 1: and by March he's on his way to London, and

1102
01:01:45,720 --> 01:01:48,720
Speaker 1: the two of them had parted ways. Yeah, I mean

1103
01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:52,560
Speaker 1: we got a Boston boy. He says, I've experienced island life. Now,

1104
01:01:52,720 --> 01:01:55,200
Speaker 1: why the fun would I go back to Massachusetts. I'm

1105
01:01:55,240 --> 01:01:57,760
Speaker 1: not doing that cold weather up in. I'm gonna puck

1106
01:01:57,840 --> 01:02:03,600
Speaker 1: Mica in the Barbatos. Yeah. So on Culiford's way to England,

1107
01:02:03,880 --> 01:02:07,920
Speaker 1: they passed Hope Point, where corpses of pirates hung in

1108
01:02:07,960 --> 01:02:11,720
Speaker 1: the breeze as a warning to other pirates, and one

1109
01:02:11,760 --> 01:02:15,320
Speaker 1: of those corpses was James Gilliam, that man that he

1110
01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:18,360
Speaker 1: sailed with for so long Memur. Gilliam was the guy

1111
01:02:18,440 --> 01:02:22,000
Speaker 1: who helped him take Edgecomb's ship and split his throat.

1112
01:02:22,240 --> 01:02:26,560
Speaker 1: Good friend, good pirate friend. Culiford knew that a lot

1113
01:02:26,680 --> 01:02:30,200
Speaker 1: of pirates get caught at the end, and so he's

1114
01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:32,560
Speaker 1: cooking up a plan because he's like that, I'm too

1115
01:02:32,640 --> 01:02:35,760
Speaker 1: close here to the end. I'm going into you know,

1116
01:02:36,760 --> 01:02:39,400
Speaker 1: shark infested waters. I don't want to end up like

1117
01:02:39,480 --> 01:02:43,360
Speaker 1: my friend James exactly. So he had a friend on board.

1118
01:02:43,600 --> 01:02:47,760
Speaker 1: Ralph Patterson was a fellow pardoned pirate, and he wasn't

1119
01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:53,120
Speaker 1: feeling that well, so Culiford went so Cliford told him

1120
01:02:53,480 --> 01:02:55,800
Speaker 1: to go to the captain and act like he was

1121
01:02:56,200 --> 01:02:58,880
Speaker 1: very sick, just near death, and that he needed to

1122
01:02:58,920 --> 01:03:02,280
Speaker 1: go ashore immediate for a doctor. And the captain, whose

1123
01:03:02,360 --> 01:03:05,240
Speaker 1: name was Whitwell, was like, oh, yes, I suppose we're

1124
01:03:05,240 --> 01:03:09,720
Speaker 1: gonna send you a shoal from sure. And so Ralph

1125
01:03:10,320 --> 01:03:14,479
Speaker 1: takes Clifford's treasure with him and heads for the shore

1126
01:03:14,520 --> 01:03:16,520
Speaker 1: and they had arranged to meet up at an end later,

1127
01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:21,800
Speaker 1: but of course Captain Whitwell the trade them both. He

1128
01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:26,520
Speaker 1: told authorities, it's got a notorious pirate on board, and

1129
01:03:26,600 --> 01:03:30,400
Speaker 1: I can tell you where to go find Ralph. Ralph Patterson.

1130
01:03:30,520 --> 01:03:32,600
Speaker 1: He's taken a treasure chest and he's going to show us.

1131
01:03:32,640 --> 01:03:35,040
Speaker 1: You can catch him. He's very sick, you'll be able

1132
01:03:35,080 --> 01:03:38,000
Speaker 1: to catch him easily. And Robert showed him the promise

1133
01:03:38,040 --> 01:03:40,000
Speaker 1: of the pardon letter that he had from Warren, but

1134
01:03:40,080 --> 01:03:43,120
Speaker 1: Whitwell was like that, I don't care, ignored it, just

1135
01:03:43,240 --> 01:03:48,120
Speaker 1: like Louth did. But then good old Ralph suddenly had

1136
01:03:48,160 --> 01:03:52,320
Speaker 1: a miraculous recovery. Suddenly he wasn't sick anymore, and he's

1137
01:03:52,720 --> 01:03:56,440
Speaker 1: disappeared with Culiford's treasure. That's right. They did not catch him.

1138
01:03:58,120 --> 01:04:01,480
Speaker 1: Clifford was sent to Marshall c Prison, but there were

1139
01:04:01,520 --> 01:04:04,840
Speaker 1: no eyewitnesses to any of his pirate activity, so they

1140
01:04:04,920 --> 01:04:07,760
Speaker 1: had to let him make bail. And he knew where

1141
01:04:07,840 --> 01:04:09,920
Speaker 1: to find Ralph, so he sent a little note. He

1142
01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:12,240
Speaker 1: got a little money, and he only spent eighteen days

1143
01:04:12,280 --> 01:04:15,760
Speaker 1: in jail. Meanwhile, kid has been suffering in Newgate for

1144
01:04:15,920 --> 01:04:20,680
Speaker 1: months in solitary confinement not allowed to see anyone or

1145
01:04:20,760 --> 01:04:25,080
Speaker 1: even have pen and paper to his own defense. Only

1146
01:04:25,120 --> 01:04:28,560
Speaker 1: a few days after, they let Robert go right there, like,

1147
01:04:28,680 --> 01:04:31,240
Speaker 1: oh he's made bail. We can't prove it. I see

1148
01:04:31,280 --> 01:04:33,280
Speaker 1: you later. Don't let the door hit you on the

1149
01:04:33,320 --> 01:04:35,320
Speaker 1: ass on the way out or whatever. A few days

1150
01:04:35,400 --> 01:04:38,920
Speaker 1: later a guy confessed to sailing with Coliford when he

1151
01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:41,680
Speaker 1: made the biggest take in pirate history. So they must

1152
01:04:41,720 --> 01:04:46,280
Speaker 1: have felt stupid. This guy comes running up. I hope

1153
01:04:46,320 --> 01:04:49,160
Speaker 1: I'm not too late, but I have an eyewitness. I

1154
01:04:49,360 --> 01:04:51,960
Speaker 1: I was there, and Culiford took down the biggest hall

1155
01:04:52,400 --> 01:04:55,240
Speaker 1: empire history. You've still got him, right, God damn it.

1156
01:04:55,360 --> 01:04:59,600
Speaker 1: Bloody pirates. So they set out looking for Coliford again, obviously,

1157
01:05:00,440 --> 01:05:03,040
Speaker 1: and in October he and Ralph are captured and they're

1158
01:05:03,080 --> 01:05:07,640
Speaker 1: putting Newgate. But Clifford is able to pay bribes because

1159
01:05:07,680 --> 01:05:10,480
Speaker 1: he's got a little money or a lot, depending who

1160
01:05:10,520 --> 01:05:13,160
Speaker 1: you ask, I guess, and so he enjoyed a pretty

1161
01:05:13,200 --> 01:05:16,800
Speaker 1: easy stay because prisons are for profit, and if you

1162
01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:19,880
Speaker 1: could pay for a bed and for clothes. Um, they

1163
01:05:19,960 --> 01:05:23,520
Speaker 1: in fact operated a tavern as well, so you if

1164
01:05:23,560 --> 01:05:25,400
Speaker 1: you had the money, you enjoyed what was called the

1165
01:05:25,480 --> 01:05:27,880
Speaker 1: liberty of Newgate, and it basically meant you got to

1166
01:05:27,920 --> 01:05:30,320
Speaker 1: walk around the prison pretty freely. You could go to

1167
01:05:30,440 --> 01:05:34,200
Speaker 1: the tavern and drink. There were even female prisoners in

1168
01:05:34,320 --> 01:05:36,880
Speaker 1: the same place with these male prisoners, and they would

1169
01:05:37,120 --> 01:05:40,000
Speaker 1: sell sex, so you could buy sex. So he's have

1170
01:05:40,040 --> 01:05:41,880
Speaker 1: ben kind of a I mean, not a good time,

1171
01:05:41,960 --> 01:05:44,080
Speaker 1: I guess, but it's sort of similar to a pirate ship.

1172
01:05:44,120 --> 01:05:46,600
Speaker 1: You're a confined space and you get to just kind

1173
01:05:46,600 --> 01:05:50,280
Speaker 1: of hang out there. And again, meanwhile, Captain Kidd is

1174
01:05:50,440 --> 01:05:54,680
Speaker 1: in solitary confinement, fucking sick as ship. They won't give

1175
01:05:54,720 --> 01:05:58,440
Speaker 1: him anything. You can't any bribes on a wet stone floor.

1176
01:06:00,480 --> 01:06:05,080
Speaker 1: Awful anyway, So over a year later, Culiford stands trial

1177
01:06:06,120 --> 01:06:08,480
Speaker 1: and he and his pirates at first pleaded not guilty

1178
01:06:08,640 --> 01:06:13,720
Speaker 1: to the charge of piracy. But then suddenly Robert says, actually,

1179
01:06:13,960 --> 01:06:18,000
Speaker 1: I'd like to change my plea to guilty, but I

1180
01:06:18,200 --> 01:06:22,840
Speaker 1: was pardoned, so it's all good. But I did. It's

1181
01:06:22,920 --> 01:06:25,960
Speaker 1: over now water under the boat, and almost every one

1182
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:28,320
Speaker 1: of the other ones also changed their pleas to guilty.

1183
01:06:28,440 --> 01:06:29,840
Speaker 1: They're like, well, if he's doing it, I'm doing it.

1184
01:06:30,160 --> 01:06:32,160
Speaker 1: That's a smart guy. So yeah, yeah, I'm guilty. Too.

1185
01:06:32,280 --> 01:06:36,360
Speaker 1: I'm guilty too, Ugly too, I'm guilty too. Um So

1186
01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:37,960
Speaker 1: almost all of them do the same thing, and it

1187
01:06:38,080 --> 01:06:41,080
Speaker 1: was pretty risky because if they if it worked, the

1188
01:06:41,200 --> 01:06:43,439
Speaker 1: pardon would stand, you'd get to keep all your money

1189
01:06:43,560 --> 01:06:46,680
Speaker 1: or your crime would go away, your freeman. But if

1190
01:06:46,720 --> 01:06:50,160
Speaker 1: they didn't accept your pardon, you're guilty plea would stand

1191
01:06:50,600 --> 01:06:53,560
Speaker 1: and you would get the mandatory death sentence for being

1192
01:06:53,600 --> 01:06:56,400
Speaker 1: a pirate. Fortunately, Culiford was granted a rest bite. He

1193
01:06:56,520 --> 01:06:58,680
Speaker 1: was the only one who was, which is not quite

1194
01:06:58,680 --> 01:07:00,720
Speaker 1: a full pardon, but it's a really good sign because

1195
01:07:00,880 --> 01:07:02,960
Speaker 1: basically they're like, Okay, well you we're not going to

1196
01:07:03,080 --> 01:07:04,720
Speaker 1: kill you right now. Then we'll let you chill for

1197
01:07:04,760 --> 01:07:06,240
Speaker 1: a minute while we kind of figure it out, and

1198
01:07:06,320 --> 01:07:09,360
Speaker 1: it washes away a decade of his crime. Captain Kidd

1199
01:07:09,560 --> 01:07:13,280
Speaker 1: was actually there to witness Culiford get his respite and

1200
01:07:13,720 --> 01:07:16,960
Speaker 1: they when they you know, switch plaintiffs and Captain Kidd

1201
01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:20,840
Speaker 1: goes up on trial. Culiford is there to see Captain

1202
01:07:20,920 --> 01:07:24,840
Speaker 1: Kidd get two death sentences for the ship he didn't

1203
01:07:24,880 --> 01:07:28,120
Speaker 1: even do for the ship. Cauliford did. Yeah, I'll just

1204
01:07:28,320 --> 01:07:31,760
Speaker 1: I'll just note here that Captain Kidd, even though he

1205
01:07:31,840 --> 01:07:34,760
Speaker 1: sees the guy who really did it obviously isn't really

1206
01:07:34,840 --> 01:07:37,040
Speaker 1: trying very hard at this point, because he could tell

1207
01:07:37,160 --> 01:07:39,840
Speaker 1: he's a patsy for the merchants that had backed him.

1208
01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:42,240
Speaker 1: He knows they don't really care about the truth anymore,

1209
01:07:42,360 --> 01:07:43,920
Speaker 1: and he's like, they just want to get rid of me,

1210
01:07:44,640 --> 01:07:47,720
Speaker 1: So he's just got to watch all this happen and seethe.

1211
01:07:48,160 --> 01:07:50,920
Speaker 1: They all went back to Newgate and seventeen o one,

1212
01:07:51,240 --> 01:07:55,200
Speaker 1: Captain Kidd was hanged, but Culiford ran out of money

1213
01:07:55,240 --> 01:07:57,000
Speaker 1: to pay his lawyer, and so he was kind of

1214
01:07:57,080 --> 01:08:01,040
Speaker 1: stuck in this legal limbo. He'd stashed money with friends

1215
01:08:01,080 --> 01:08:03,680
Speaker 1: of his in various places, but they wouldn't send it

1216
01:08:03,720 --> 01:08:05,720
Speaker 1: when he wrote to them because they were like, well,

1217
01:08:06,720 --> 01:08:09,320
Speaker 1: this guy's not gonna get out. He's in prison. This

1218
01:08:09,400 --> 01:08:11,080
Speaker 1: pardon ship is not going to work out for him.

1219
01:08:11,160 --> 01:08:12,680
Speaker 1: So he's going to die in prison, and I'm just

1220
01:08:12,720 --> 01:08:15,720
Speaker 1: going to keep this money until one day in late

1221
01:08:15,840 --> 01:08:20,360
Speaker 1: July one who should arrive at Newgate But Samuel Burgess

1222
01:08:20,439 --> 01:08:24,080
Speaker 1: no ship to answer for his crimes of piracy, and

1223
01:08:24,160 --> 01:08:27,120
Speaker 1: they needed a witness against Samuel, and they were like, hmm,

1224
01:08:27,200 --> 01:08:29,400
Speaker 1: I rack in their brains, who do we have? Oh?

1225
01:08:29,479 --> 01:08:32,759
Speaker 1: My gosh, Robert Culifford might know a few things about

1226
01:08:33,000 --> 01:08:37,439
Speaker 1: Samuel Burgess. And don't forget that Samuel Burgess was the

1227
01:08:37,479 --> 01:08:41,040
Speaker 1: quartermaster who fucked over the pirates on the Blessed William.

1228
01:08:41,400 --> 01:08:44,160
Speaker 1: So he's already got a grudge against this guy. Yeah

1229
01:08:44,200 --> 01:08:46,400
Speaker 1: he has for a decade. Yeah he's like, I well,

1230
01:08:47,000 --> 01:08:50,640
Speaker 1: happy to testify against this gentleman. But because he was

1231
01:08:50,760 --> 01:08:55,040
Speaker 1: neither pardoned nor convicted, he wasn't allowed to testify. So

1232
01:08:55,120 --> 01:08:57,240
Speaker 1: they had to get this pardon taken care of real

1233
01:08:57,320 --> 01:09:00,120
Speaker 1: quick so that they could use this witness against are

1234
01:09:00,200 --> 01:09:06,360
Speaker 1: just a much lesser pirate this than Colorford. They were like, look,

1235
01:09:06,800 --> 01:09:09,240
Speaker 1: your trial is going to be complicated. His trial is

1236
01:09:09,280 --> 01:09:12,160
Speaker 1: gonna be easy. So why don't your pardoned and now

1237
01:09:12,240 --> 01:09:14,639
Speaker 1: you can testify. Great, Now I can go home early tonight.

1238
01:09:15,240 --> 01:09:17,640
Speaker 1: I don't give a funk what your crimes are like,

1239
01:09:18,320 --> 01:09:21,920
Speaker 1: that is irrelevant to us. I just need to put away.

1240
01:09:21,960 --> 01:09:24,320
Speaker 1: I just gotta hit my quota of hangings this month.

1241
01:09:25,200 --> 01:09:29,719
Speaker 1: God amazing justice in a general way has been done.

1242
01:09:31,800 --> 01:09:35,360
Speaker 1: Uh So authorities decided to get him pardoned, and apparently

1243
01:09:36,040 --> 01:09:39,400
Speaker 1: they had some genuine enthusiasm for it. According to ZAX,

1244
01:09:40,120 --> 01:09:42,360
Speaker 1: they were writing letters like this guy's great, can't be

1245
01:09:42,600 --> 01:09:46,880
Speaker 1: too bad. He's so nice. Everybody loves Robert, even it's

1246
01:09:46,920 --> 01:09:51,320
Speaker 1: sucking jailer's Seriously, you got to imagine that as Robert

1247
01:09:51,439 --> 01:09:55,680
Speaker 1: is like running people through with his sword, they're like, oh, man,

1248
01:09:55,840 --> 01:10:00,519
Speaker 1: you're so nice, so smart and handsome. An honor to

1249
01:10:00,600 --> 01:10:04,280
Speaker 1: be killed by you. So yeah. So he gets his pardon,

1250
01:10:04,479 --> 01:10:07,080
Speaker 1: he is able to testify against Burgess, which he was

1251
01:10:07,439 --> 01:10:10,200
Speaker 1: did with quite a smile on his face, I'm sure.

1252
01:10:11,040 --> 01:10:15,080
Speaker 1: And Burgess was convicted and hanged, and Robert walked out

1253
01:10:15,200 --> 01:10:17,840
Speaker 1: and looked the funk out of prison. He was broke,

1254
01:10:18,560 --> 01:10:20,519
Speaker 1: and he just had kind of a vague hope that

1255
01:10:20,680 --> 01:10:22,599
Speaker 1: he might get his money back from these friends he'd

1256
01:10:22,640 --> 01:10:24,479
Speaker 1: stashed it with. Although if I was him, I'd be

1257
01:10:24,560 --> 01:10:27,519
Speaker 1: real pissed when I showed up and I'm like, I'm sorry,

1258
01:10:27,560 --> 01:10:29,120
Speaker 1: why didn't you send me the money I asked for

1259
01:10:29,320 --> 01:10:31,160
Speaker 1: my money? Oh, because he didn't think I was going

1260
01:10:31,240 --> 01:10:32,600
Speaker 1: to get out. Well, here I am. You didn't have

1261
01:10:32,680 --> 01:10:35,680
Speaker 1: no faith in me. Robert culifford to squeeze out of

1262
01:10:35,720 --> 01:10:38,599
Speaker 1: a difficult situation, but that by the next year, summer

1263
01:10:38,720 --> 01:10:42,720
Speaker 1: seventeen o two, Robert Culifford had disappeared from history. Yeah,

1264
01:10:42,760 --> 01:10:45,520
Speaker 1: we don't know whatever happened to him. Some people speculate

1265
01:10:45,640 --> 01:10:48,799
Speaker 1: that he joined John Swan again, either in the Islands

1266
01:10:48,920 --> 01:10:51,840
Speaker 1: or went to America. UM. Some people that he returned

1267
01:10:51,880 --> 01:10:54,840
Speaker 1: to piracy and died at See that. No one really knows.

1268
01:10:54,960 --> 01:10:57,360
Speaker 1: Maybe he lived out his life as a respectable dude

1269
01:10:57,479 --> 01:11:00,080
Speaker 1: in London, you know, and just pretended to be but

1270
01:11:00,200 --> 01:11:02,599
Speaker 1: he wasn't. But I like to think that he went

1271
01:11:03,000 --> 01:11:05,920
Speaker 1: and found John and they decided to either hang out

1272
01:11:05,960 --> 01:11:09,080
Speaker 1: on Barbados or back at St. Mary's, reunited with their

1273
01:11:09,160 --> 01:11:12,360
Speaker 1: wives and each other and drinking rum until they died

1274
01:11:12,400 --> 01:11:16,800
Speaker 1: of liver failure. I mean, I've I've been playing this movie.

1275
01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:19,240
Speaker 1: I want to direct this movie so bad now, and

1276
01:11:19,280 --> 01:11:20,600
Speaker 1: I've been playing it out in my head. And the

1277
01:11:20,800 --> 01:11:25,240
Speaker 1: last shot is John Swan standing on the Madagascar beach.

1278
01:11:25,560 --> 01:11:28,280
Speaker 1: He's pulling in a fishing net he's got, he's got

1279
01:11:28,360 --> 01:11:30,960
Speaker 1: his three wives in the house behind him, and he

1280
01:11:31,080 --> 01:11:33,599
Speaker 1: looks up and he sees a ship sailing towards him

1281
01:11:33,960 --> 01:11:37,040
Speaker 1: and he just he knows him. He smiles, and he

1282
01:11:37,120 --> 01:11:50,439
Speaker 1: cut to black and then don't don't don't you guys

1283
01:11:50,479 --> 01:11:54,479
Speaker 1: are gonna get four minutes of our pirate sung man,

1284
01:11:54,680 --> 01:11:58,479
Speaker 1: I love this story so good. I had so much

1285
01:11:58,560 --> 01:12:01,519
Speaker 1: fun with this one. I know, you really. I mean,

1286
01:12:02,560 --> 01:12:06,760
Speaker 1: this is the thing about pirate entertainment because it's so

1287
01:12:07,120 --> 01:12:11,200
Speaker 1: fun to romanticize and it's so not that, but there

1288
01:12:11,320 --> 01:12:13,920
Speaker 1: is some fun to it if you can kind of

1289
01:12:14,560 --> 01:12:17,960
Speaker 1: extrapolate the good parts from the you know, all the

1290
01:12:18,200 --> 01:12:21,240
Speaker 1: murder and rape and theft. Uh, you know, it sounds

1291
01:12:21,280 --> 01:12:27,280
Speaker 1: like a blast. Guy, start living free, sailing wherever they wanted,

1292
01:12:27,520 --> 01:12:32,719
Speaker 1: port to port wives in every country, loving their mates,

1293
01:12:33,479 --> 01:12:38,040
Speaker 1: you know, just no rules, just right, no rules, just right,

1294
01:12:38,240 --> 01:12:43,400
Speaker 1: blooming onions all the time, real outback steakehouse lifestyle. So

1295
01:12:44,160 --> 01:12:47,160
Speaker 1: you know, for that, it's great. I love this story.

1296
01:12:47,240 --> 01:12:49,960
Speaker 1: It's so much fun. I want to see the very

1297
01:12:50,520 --> 01:12:54,080
Speaker 1: loosely interpreted movie of what this was like. And I

1298
01:12:54,640 --> 01:12:57,920
Speaker 1: would like Culiford and John to be lovers in that story.

1299
01:12:58,040 --> 01:13:02,479
Speaker 1: Oh absolutely bisexual gay, don't care. Oh yeah, but I

1300
01:13:02,640 --> 01:13:05,760
Speaker 1: think they definitely had a very serious bond. Yeah, And

1301
01:13:06,400 --> 01:13:09,320
Speaker 1: it seems clear to me, yes, the Swan was just

1302
01:13:09,400 --> 01:13:11,479
Speaker 1: so little loyal to him for so long, and I'm

1303
01:13:11,520 --> 01:13:13,600
Speaker 1: like they had they had, they had something special. How

1304
01:13:13,680 --> 01:13:15,200
Speaker 1: can they not? I mean you spend that much time

1305
01:13:15,280 --> 01:13:18,320
Speaker 1: with somebody and these life and death situations, you know,

1306
01:13:18,439 --> 01:13:21,680
Speaker 1: and if you respect him and hell, you know, at

1307
01:13:21,760 --> 01:13:25,240
Speaker 1: least Robert's probably a very handsome guy too, certainly fit.

1308
01:13:26,000 --> 01:13:29,479
Speaker 1: Definitely fit, I mean, whether as as handsome as a

1309
01:13:29,680 --> 01:13:32,439
Speaker 1: semen gets, you know, after being out in the sun

1310
01:13:32,680 --> 01:13:35,439
Speaker 1: drinking nothing. But John's like writing home like he even

1311
01:13:35,479 --> 01:13:39,439
Speaker 1: has all his own teeth, Dear Diary. I met a

1312
01:13:39,560 --> 01:13:43,840
Speaker 1: man today. He's got sixteen of his own teeth. He

1313
01:13:43,920 --> 01:13:46,560
Speaker 1: can read and write. He smells like ship, but so

1314
01:13:46,720 --> 01:13:51,200
Speaker 1: do we all. He smells less like shit than most virates.

1315
01:13:52,000 --> 01:13:55,360
Speaker 1: So that is Robert Culiford and John Swan and we

1316
01:13:55,520 --> 01:13:57,840
Speaker 1: on this podcast are firmly on the side that they

1317
01:13:57,920 --> 01:14:03,000
Speaker 1: were totally sexual, romantic partners. So you can think whatever

1318
01:14:03,080 --> 01:14:05,400
Speaker 1: you like. I got my own movie going on here.

1319
01:14:07,240 --> 01:14:08,920
Speaker 1: I just think it adds more fun to the story.

1320
01:14:09,000 --> 01:14:10,599
Speaker 1: You know. It's just like one more thing they were

1321
01:14:10,640 --> 01:14:14,200
Speaker 1: doing that was a positive, yeah, you know, in a

1322
01:14:14,920 --> 01:14:20,160
Speaker 1: long list of negatives. I hope y'all enjoyed this and

1323
01:14:20,240 --> 01:14:22,559
Speaker 1: had as much fun as we did, and we're able

1324
01:14:22,600 --> 01:14:24,760
Speaker 1: to ignore the bad parts as easily as we were.

1325
01:14:26,880 --> 01:14:30,120
Speaker 1: I didn't leave them out, No, no, it's worth noting.

1326
01:14:30,400 --> 01:14:32,640
Speaker 1: Thanks for tuning in, y'all. Please let us know what

1327
01:14:32,720 --> 01:14:34,720
Speaker 1: you thought. As always, you can reach out to us

1328
01:14:34,800 --> 01:14:37,160
Speaker 1: at romance at i heeart media dot com or on

1329
01:14:37,240 --> 01:14:40,639
Speaker 1: the socials. I'm at Dianamite Boom on Instagram and Twitter

1330
01:14:40,960 --> 01:14:43,040
Speaker 1: and I'm at Oh Great, It's Eli. Or you can

1331
01:14:43,120 --> 01:14:45,920
Speaker 1: get to the show itself at at ridic Romance and

1332
01:14:46,040 --> 01:14:50,080
Speaker 1: we love to read your reviews on Apple podcasts. Please

1333
01:14:50,120 --> 01:14:52,200
Speaker 1: do give us a rating over there and everything. It

1334
01:14:52,320 --> 01:14:54,320
Speaker 1: really really helps a lot. So thanks so much to

1335
01:14:54,360 --> 01:14:57,080
Speaker 1: everyone who's already written in so I love to read them.

1336
01:14:57,120 --> 01:14:59,320
Speaker 1: They're so awesome. Really do all right, Well, thanks for

1337
01:14:59,360 --> 01:15:02,720
Speaker 1: tuning in everyone. You will see you next time. So

1338
01:15:02,920 --> 01:15:06,479
Speaker 1: long friends, it is time to go. Thanks o listening

1339
01:15:06,600 --> 01:15:10,200
Speaker 1: to our show. Tell your friends neighbor's uncle's in dance

1340
01:15:10,479 --> 01:15:12,880
Speaker 1: to listen to a show Ridiculous Roll Dance