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Speaker 1: Coast AM on iHeart Radio and welcome back to Coast

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Speaker 1: to Coast. Keith Comos, through exhaustive research of case files

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Speaker 1: and interviews, has meticulously chronicled the brutal crimes committed by

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Speaker 1: arguably what was the most elusive serial killer of the

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Speaker 1: twenty century, a psychopath, a predator who steeped in criminal activity.

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Speaker 1: Keith uses his experience in the technology field to apply

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Speaker 1: modern scientific techniques to help resolve cold cases. He frequently

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Speaker 1: has called on to do consultation work as well. He

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Speaker 1: has co written a book with cat Winters called Case

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Speaker 1: Files of the East Area Rapists slash Golden State Killer.

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Speaker 1: Was just on a few of a few weeks ago

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Speaker 1: on the program talking about this very case, Keith, little

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Speaker 1: did we know that a suspect would be found so quickly?

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Speaker 1: I have a feeling you knew something might happen. There

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Speaker 1: have been so many developments in this case over the

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Speaker 1: past year two years that we knew that it would

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Speaker 1: only be a matter of time. This case had d

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Speaker 1: n A of the offender, which is rare and called cases.

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Speaker 1: So it really was just a matter of time, especially

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Speaker 1: the way technology is advancing. Uh. I couldn't be happier

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Speaker 1: to be back on your program so quickly. Well, I'm

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Speaker 1: glad you are, especially under this circumstance with the d

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Speaker 1: n A. Were they pinpointed? How did how did they

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Speaker 1: find this suspect? Uh? And you know we'll call him

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Speaker 1: the suspect. Of course he hasn't gone to trial yet,

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Speaker 1: but how did they find him so quickly with the

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Speaker 1: d n A. They're actually being very tight lipped on

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Speaker 1: the actual process that they used, in the actual chain

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Speaker 1: of events that led to the actual arrest I know

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Speaker 1: that they've been using every available DNA technology, including these

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Speaker 1: newer technologies where you can input the d N A

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Speaker 1: and get back actual physical characteristics of the person of

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Speaker 1: the DNA that you're submitting. So it appears to be

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Speaker 1: some good police work that was done in setting up

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Speaker 1: some of these new technologies and crafting the inputs to

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Speaker 1: where they would be useful to law enforcement, and then

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Speaker 1: interpreting the results from these new technologies, and then running

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Speaker 1: with the leads and using what they knew about the

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Speaker 1: offender to narrow that that haystack where the needle is kept,

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Speaker 1: to shrink that haystack down to where they could work

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Speaker 1: with a man legible amount of suspects and actually start

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Speaker 1: to do some to make some headway as far as

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Speaker 1: identifying suspects. And there were several boxes that this particular

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Speaker 1: suspect checks as far as who the Golden State killer

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Speaker 1: might have been, so I can see why he bubbled

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Speaker 1: to the top of the list fairly quickly. Keith, Do

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Speaker 1: we know at this point if these crimes were committed

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Speaker 1: while this individual was still a police officer? Yes, they were.

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Speaker 1: If the you know, the fifty rapes and attempted rapes

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Speaker 1: that he's suspected to have committed are we're committed between

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Speaker 1: nineteen seventy six and nineteen seventy nine. During that time,

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Speaker 1: he was a police officer up in Auburn, in California,

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Speaker 1: which is not far away from where these occurred, So

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Speaker 1: he was commuting a short distance to these attacks when

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Speaker 1: he was committing them. And for him to be a

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Speaker 1: police officer, what a disgrace to the badge, the antithesis

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Speaker 1: to find out. Now. He apparently was fired as a

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Speaker 1: police officer in Auburn after he was arrested for stealing

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Speaker 1: I had to look up what dog repellent even is.

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Speaker 1: You know that it's something that I think postal employees

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Speaker 1: serial rapist. At that point, he hadn't He had committed

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Speaker 1: And it's a strange story. And shortly after that he

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Speaker 1: began killing all of his victims. Keith, do we know

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Speaker 1: when the crimes apparently stopped. The last crime that we

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Speaker 1: a five year gap when looking at this suspect. The

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Speaker 1: birth of two of his children occurred around both of

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Speaker 1: look at that impending fatherhood was possibly a factor in

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Speaker 1: these murders occurring, in him stopping for a period of time. Well,

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Speaker 1: if they've stopped, then it's been about thirty plus years.

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Speaker 1: How can a serial killer rapist simply stop for thirty

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Speaker 1: plus years. I always thought this was in their system

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Speaker 1: that they're wired this way. They have a compulsion, they

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Speaker 1: offenders stopping or taking long breaks or long periods of time.

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Speaker 1: We thought maybe he was incarcerated, Maybe the offender was

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Speaker 1: killed or injured or somehow couldn't offend anymore. Turns out

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Speaker 1: be adjusted. And this guy, he's not crazy. He was attacked.

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Speaker 1: He was a tactical offender. He was organized, he was

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Speaker 1: also risk averse enough to stop. I was looking at

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Speaker 1: exactly he worked law enforcement from I guess it was

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Speaker 1: and he knew very well about fingerprinting techniques. One of

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Speaker 1: So the thinking was that he knew about the developments

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Speaker 1: shoelaces and things like that. Didn't he stuff that was

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Speaker 1: basically untraceable because they would look at it under microscopes

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Speaker 1: He would get them from the victim themselves, or from elsewhere,

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Speaker 1: or fresh out of the new pack, and he would

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Speaker 1: any physical evidence on the bindings or really anything else. Now,

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Speaker 1: Keith the Golden State Killer killed twelve people, yet he

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Speaker 1: committed fifty some rapes as you mentioned, why didn't he

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Speaker 1: kill more people? Well, he didn't start killing until the

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Speaker 1: scenes during those years, and then from one to nine

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Speaker 1: eight six he took a break. What the thought process

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Speaker 1: is is that he was still living up in Sacramento,

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Speaker 1: three five miles plus away from these scenes, and he

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Speaker 1: evidence already pointed that way because for the first intentional murder,

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Speaker 1: Rather than the burglaries being spread out in the probabing

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Speaker 1: when he broke into homes, he liked to break into

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Speaker 1: to commit his offenses. Yeah, for his first fifteen rape attacks,

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Speaker 1: thought process behind that is that the newspaper printed something

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