1 00:00:03,920 --> 00:00:07,800 Speaker 1: It's time for x's and o's with Minnesota Vikings head 2 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:12,280 Speaker 1: coach Kevin O'Connell. Alto Minnesota Vikings Radio Network now from 3 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:15,400 Speaker 1: the TCO studios at Egan. Here is the voice of 4 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:19,239 Speaker 1: the Vikings, Paul Allen exs. 5 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:21,560 Speaker 2: And o's on the KFA and Minnesota Vikings Radio Network 6 00:00:21,640 --> 00:00:24,880 Speaker 2: and Vikings dot Com is underway into the forty nine 7 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:25,400 Speaker 2: Ers game. 8 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:26,240 Speaker 3: I'm Paul Allen. 9 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 2: Here's Kevin O'Connell, coach of the Minnesota Vikings, courtesy of 10 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:34,239 Speaker 2: the Minnesota Lottery. And you did your Monday presser virtual 11 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:38,800 Speaker 2: And when extroom said, Jeff, your mic is off, did 12 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 2: it throw you back to twenty twenty, that awful virtual 13 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:43,560 Speaker 2: twenty twenty season? 14 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 4: It did a little bit. Yeah, But I was able 15 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:49,240 Speaker 4: to if nobody else was on that call, I could 16 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:52,479 Speaker 4: have helped with all the technical difficulties, going back to 17 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:55,960 Speaker 4: all the times we had to be on zoom. 18 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 2: What does one do, Kevin when quarterback Tyson bige and 19 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 2: enters the game? I mean, do you start with Wikipedia? 20 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:06,559 Speaker 2: And then like do you watch the preseason film on TV? 21 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 3: Timeouts? Like what do you do? 22 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:08,320 Speaker 1: Now? 23 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:12,039 Speaker 4: We had been prepared for him, really, he was a 24 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:14,920 Speaker 4: player that had a pretty spectacular preseason and really came 25 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 4: to life kind of before everyone's eyes there in Chicago. 26 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 4: What I think they liked about him is kind of 27 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:24,560 Speaker 4: a similar skill set to Justin from a standpoint of 28 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 4: can throw it, you know, athletic ability to you know, scramble, 29 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 4: create off schedule, but also have some things designed for 30 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 4: him in the run game. So we didn't expect all 31 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:35,880 Speaker 4: that different of a plan when he came in, But 32 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:37,959 Speaker 4: now you got to kind of figure out the flavor. 33 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:40,000 Speaker 4: I thought he did play well, saw the field well, 34 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 4: got the ball out. 35 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 2: Now what was it like calling the first game without Jefferson? 36 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 2: You've watched it back, You've seen good, you've seen bad. 37 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 2: But thinking aback, thinking back to calling it, it just 38 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 2: had to be so different, right. 39 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, especially you know, we saw some things, you know, 40 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 4: third down wise in the game pretty consistently that we 41 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 4: don't we see a whole heck of a lot normally. 42 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 4: And that's going to be growth for all of us, 43 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 4: me included, as far as how we continue to help 44 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 4: all of our eligibles come to life, have the chance 45 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:13,079 Speaker 4: to beat man coverage type man coverage where really we're 46 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:17,120 Speaker 4: so used to you know, eleven double JJ, twenty two 47 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:20,080 Speaker 4: double JJ, and and all these different looks where now 48 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:22,800 Speaker 4: we're playing it straight up. Kirk can be aggressive and 49 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 4: rhythm and we can try to attack and get the 50 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:27,960 Speaker 4: ball downfield. And I thought there were moments for each guy, 51 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:32,080 Speaker 4: whether it was TJ Jordan kJ or even Brandon Powell, 52 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:34,639 Speaker 4: but we just need to be a little bit more consistent, 53 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 4: a little bit more consistent in our execution. A couple 54 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 4: of times we had some chances on some play action 55 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:41,959 Speaker 4: games and there, you know, give credit to the Bears. 56 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 4: They sent some pressures to try to disrupt our playpass 57 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 4: protections and they had some success with it. 58 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 2: So so, how often do you practice an entire week 59 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:55,800 Speaker 2: anticipating something's coming and consistently it actually comes. 60 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:59,360 Speaker 4: It has not been very often since I've been the 61 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 4: head coach or now. What we did expect was probably 62 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:05,360 Speaker 4: my number one disappointment in the game was the movement 63 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:09,360 Speaker 4: up front, stemming the front pirates five spikes and really 64 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 4: not getting too technical, but just never really in no 65 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:15,079 Speaker 4: sitting targets on the front to be able to get 66 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 4: double teams. There was a lot of you know, post 67 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 4: snap movement that we were expecting, just didn't handle it 68 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 4: very well pa and caused us to have more negative 69 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:27,360 Speaker 4: runs that we wanted to be behind the sticks and 70 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:30,239 Speaker 4: then have I think six or seven, eleven or third 71 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:33,800 Speaker 4: and ten plus plays there, which is not a formula, 72 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 4: especially on the road in the NFC North, to try 73 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 4: to sustain offensive success. 74 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 2: So does that lead to like say, TV timeouts, It's like, 75 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 2: all right, guys, you know, we thought about this, we 76 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 2: worked against this, but it looks like it's going to 77 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 2: be this, and in snappy fashion, you just have to 78 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 2: move on. 79 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, you got to move on from maybe some of 80 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 4: your favorite thoughts you had coming into the game. More 81 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 4: so in the run game, e. You know, they're playing 82 00:03:56,640 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 4: like you talked about. They're playing more of a wide 83 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 4: nine instead of a six technique that could throw off 84 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 4: a lot of the angles and the fits of the 85 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 4: run game that we may be practiced against. But no excuses, 86 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 4: that's life in the NFL. We've got to have rules 87 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 4: and plays built to handle and adjust on the fly. 88 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 4: Thought we could have been better at that, and that's 89 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:16,840 Speaker 4: hopefully what our growth will be moving forward in the 90 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 4: run game and clearly trying to develop more explosives in 91 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:21,360 Speaker 4: the past. 92 00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:26,279 Speaker 2: Game Kevin, have you mentioned fundamentals more this season than 93 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 2: maybe ever And if that's the case, If so, why 94 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 2: because like this week, part of it was beating one 95 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 2: on one matchups. 96 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:37,919 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think pa sometimes we get so enamored with 97 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:42,240 Speaker 4: scheme and scheme and scheme, but within that scheme requires 98 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 4: guys to do their job and to be coached up 99 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:47,520 Speaker 4: at a really high level how to do the job 100 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 4: that we're asking them to do. That's our job as 101 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 4: coaches equip them with the tools either through scheme and 102 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:56,039 Speaker 4: then following that up with the fundamentals and techniques that 103 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 4: it will require to win at an NFL level. Regardless 104 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 4: of what the matchup may be, you still got to 105 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:06,360 Speaker 4: do it with detail, rhythm, timing, and technique to go 106 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 4: along with ball security. You're really talking about two of 107 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:13,360 Speaker 4: our foundational pillars to our football philosophy that at times 108 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 4: we got to make sure we don't step too far 109 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:18,600 Speaker 4: into the world of scheme, making it only about the 110 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 4: lines on a sheet of paper. We've got to be, 111 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:22,680 Speaker 4: you know, able to get these guys to have those 112 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:26,800 Speaker 4: plans come to life, possess the football, ball security, and 113 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 4: then the details of doing their job, and you'd be 114 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:31,360 Speaker 4: shocked at the success that will follow if we just 115 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:32,119 Speaker 4: do those things. 116 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 2: And speaking of the words scheme, you know, I've heard 117 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:36,680 Speaker 2: it from you and really all the coaches. 118 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 3: Since since I've been doing stuff like this. 119 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 2: And you know, like Christian McCaffrey and Deebo Samuel did 120 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:43,599 Speaker 2: they left and did not return in the Browns game. 121 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:46,040 Speaker 3: So that's going to be tenuous, maybe. 122 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:48,360 Speaker 2: Right up to the game, and coaches will say, well, 123 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:51,600 Speaker 2: we prepare for scheme, and then I'm thinking like, okay, 124 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:54,919 Speaker 2: well the McCaffrey players with Elijah Mitchell, you know, just 125 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 2: might be a little different or maybe not as effective. 126 00:05:57,400 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 2: So how is that handled when two high high enders 127 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 2: are dicey into a game. 128 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, you've got to still prepare for what you see 129 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 4: on tape because they're both tough, played a lot of 130 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:13,039 Speaker 4: football in this league, probably not always at so we've 131 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:16,920 Speaker 4: got to expect to see both those players, but they do. 132 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 4: They're very deep teams. So if it's not Debo, is 133 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 4: a i UK, is it kittle? You know, how are 134 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 4: they deploying their guys? You know, McCaffrey is playing as 135 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 4: well as anybody in the game right now at that position. 136 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 4: So any if if they're not able to have one 137 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 4: or two of those players. It might affect the way 138 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:36,479 Speaker 4: Kyle calls it the flavor of the day with how 139 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:39,160 Speaker 4: they're trying to attack and the run and pass game, 140 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 4: but still they're going to be so so schematically sound 141 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:45,560 Speaker 4: because of their play caller and the design of what 142 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 4: they're doing that we just got to be We got 143 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 4: to match that with our scheme on defense, how we 144 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:53,119 Speaker 4: fly around, how we finish, make sure we tackle well, 145 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 4: make it about the little things within the scheme that 146 00:06:56,920 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 4: will make it all come to life. 147 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 2: And I know you know Kyle sham hand well and 148 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 2: have gone against you many times from your NFC West days, 149 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 2: and he gets well deserved praise for his approach to 150 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 2: offense on a weekly basis, But he also does have 151 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 2: some of the best players in the league. So truly, 152 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 2: what makes him so respected as an offensive designer, play 153 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:18,679 Speaker 2: call or whatever. 154 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, to me, it's his ability to really understand how 155 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 4: to attack you in the run game first and foremost, 156 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 4: how to create premium leverages angles matchups within the run 157 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:33,119 Speaker 4: game where they want to run it, whether it's behind 158 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 4: Big Trent on the left side. Kittle's a premier blocking 159 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 4: tight end they've got use checket as a really all 160 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:41,560 Speaker 4: purpose Swiss army knife. So he's got the tools and 161 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 4: the players, but then the scheme is really sound. And 162 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 4: then above all that his ability to understand your options 163 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 4: to defending those runs, how players are going to fit 164 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 4: different gaps, and how he can put guys in conflict 165 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 4: to I got to defend this gap, but also this 166 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 4: route to Iyuker Samuel rehim behind me, and it all 167 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 4: happens in real time. They play incredibly hard and physical 168 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 4: like uh you know, it's probably the one thing that 169 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:09,440 Speaker 4: jumps out on the tape above the scheme is just 170 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 4: how hard they play, and you've got to try to 171 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:15,240 Speaker 4: match that in all three phases otherwise the attrition of 172 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:18,200 Speaker 4: a game and uh well will take its course on 173 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 4: you over time. And you've got to find a way 174 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 4: to possess the football and definitely better than we have 175 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 4: this year. Keep that offense off the field, try to 176 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 4: churn out some plays and some tough yards against maybe 177 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:32,079 Speaker 4: the best defense in football, and then you got to 178 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:33,960 Speaker 4: finish with points. You got to possess it. You can't 179 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 4: turn it over and give them easy path paths to points, 180 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 4: which is the number one way to let these guys 181 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 4: come in here and get a win, which is what 182 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 4: we're going to fight, fight like crazy to make sure 183 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 4: it does not happen. 184 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 2: And Kevin So for Monday Night Football and the Niners, 185 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 2: I mean, we we at this stage of the equation 186 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 2: don't exactly know who's going to play. But like Kyle, 187 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:55,599 Speaker 2: you like you may start with Deebo, Samuel McCaffrey, I 188 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 2: you kittle all these high enders, but I mean use 189 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:03,440 Speaker 2: checks unbelievably key to what they do, right, because everything 190 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 2: he does is one hundred miles per hour and he 191 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 2: hits hard. 192 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:09,880 Speaker 4: Yep, He's normally when you watch some of their real 193 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 4: explosive runs, he's normally the block that springs the play. 194 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 4: He's normally at the point of attack, whether it's you know, 195 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 4: fitting up on a linebacker on the second level. Sometimes 196 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 4: he's blocking some of the bigs you know, on the edges, 197 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 4: which allows them to have unbelievable angles back against the 198 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:30,080 Speaker 4: rest of your defense. And then just when you start 199 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 4: worrying about all that, he's a major part of their 200 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 4: play action pass game because they truly marry their running 201 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:39,080 Speaker 4: the pass as well as anybody, So you really have 202 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:41,720 Speaker 4: to be sound about what your plan is to obviously 203 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:44,679 Speaker 4: attack that run game and try to limit their explosives 204 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 4: and their ability to just kind of churn out yards 205 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:48,840 Speaker 4: all the way down the field. And the second you 206 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 4: commit too much to that run game is when the 207 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 4: explosives happen and the ball can get thrown over your head. 208 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 2: A couple more for the head coach of the Minnesota Vikings, 209 00:09:57,240 --> 00:09:59,840 Speaker 2: Kevin O'Connell on x's and o's courtesy of the men 210 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 2: so to the lottery, and we mentioned it earlier, beat up 211 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 2: or not with some of their high end skill guys, 212 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 2: it's always important to start fast. 213 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 3: We hear it here and everywhere, but. 214 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 2: Specifically in this game with your crowd awful win, I 215 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:18,840 Speaker 2: mean starting fast and jumping this high this very good team, 216 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:24,320 Speaker 2: I mean is it is it shared or or do 217 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 2: you push on that more into this game than usual game. 218 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:30,079 Speaker 4: We've really been trying to really emphasize getting off to 219 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 4: fast starts. 220 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:32,960 Speaker 3: Size is the word I was looking for. 221 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 4: And then and then really just the response when things 222 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 4: inevitably won't you know, always go our way and it's 223 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 4: funny shape ball. Things are going to happen. We've got 224 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:44,440 Speaker 4: to control what we can, which is our technique of 225 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 4: how we carry the football, how we you know, try 226 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:50,320 Speaker 4: to deploy our players to maximize offensively our chances of 227 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 4: having success. And then defensively, it's about tackling, it's about 228 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:55,199 Speaker 4: running to the ball, it's about setting edges in the 229 00:10:55,280 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 4: run game and playing the cutbacks and simple things that 230 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 4: you've got to make come to life every single play 231 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 4: against a team like this, our crowd right there with us. 232 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 4: Hopefully we get them some things to be excited about 233 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:09,960 Speaker 4: early and then it's going to be an absolute dogfight 234 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:11,440 Speaker 4: all the way to the very end. We know that 235 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 4: against this team. That's what happens when you take on 236 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 4: a team that has been right at the top of 237 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:18,439 Speaker 4: the NFC for the better part of the last three 238 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:21,160 Speaker 4: four or five years now because of how well coached 239 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:24,959 Speaker 4: they are, and they do have a pretty spectacular roster 240 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 4: of players as well. 241 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 2: Generally speaking, what do they ask of brock Purty. 242 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:32,760 Speaker 4: You know, I think the narrative is it's easy to 243 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:35,680 Speaker 4: think Kyle and this run game and players around him. 244 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:38,320 Speaker 4: But what I see as a guy playing quarterback at 245 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:41,720 Speaker 4: a really high level, throwing with anticipation, seeing the field, 246 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:45,720 Speaker 4: making some critical plays on some third downs, to extend 247 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:49,080 Speaker 4: drives and let them get back into what they want 248 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:53,080 Speaker 4: to be offensively on those early downs. And he's consistently 249 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:56,240 Speaker 4: done it basically every game he's played since getting the 250 00:11:56,240 --> 00:12:00,280 Speaker 4: opportunity to be in there. So he's a challenge. He's 251 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 4: in complete control of Kyle's offense and what they're trying 252 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 4: to do, So you got to try to make him uncomfortable. 253 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:08,600 Speaker 4: You try to try to the formula for a guy 254 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 4: like Brock Purdy's no different than playing any other quarterback 255 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:13,719 Speaker 4: in this league. Try to make them uncomfortable, try to 256 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 4: make them feel like they've got to force some balls 257 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:18,200 Speaker 4: into some tight windows, and then can you make the 258 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 4: play tips and overthrows. We saw it last weekend in Chicago. 259 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 4: It'll be important that we try to see that a 260 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 4: few more times this weekend at us Bank Stadium. 261 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:28,440 Speaker 2: And lastly, by the way, the forty nine ers do 262 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:31,320 Speaker 2: have a defense, and Nick Bosa happens to be pretty good. 263 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:36,480 Speaker 2: But middle linebacker Fred Warner is he's a tough customer, 264 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:37,000 Speaker 2: isn't he. 265 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 4: He's I mean, as far as a guy that the 266 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:42,959 Speaker 4: green dot players, which you know, for fans at home, 267 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:45,760 Speaker 4: the green dot means he runs the whole defense, communicates, 268 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:48,960 Speaker 4: gets the call from the sideline, and then that's just 269 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:52,320 Speaker 4: the start for Fred Warner. I mean, he will diagnose plays, 270 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:55,240 Speaker 4: he will check them. You'll see him making you know 271 00:12:55,280 --> 00:12:57,160 Speaker 4: a lot of hand signals to get them in and 272 00:12:57,160 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 4: out of calls into different defenses. They've really equipped him 273 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:02,960 Speaker 4: with the ability to kind of run the show and 274 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:04,839 Speaker 4: have the keys to that whole thing. Green Law is 275 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:07,680 Speaker 4: a really good player. Right next to him, Tafongo's really 276 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 4: come into his own as one of the premier safeties 277 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:13,600 Speaker 4: in football. And then Bosa Armstead. You know, the list 278 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:17,080 Speaker 4: goes on and on, hard Graves and yeah, they just 279 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:19,640 Speaker 4: when you thought they had everything they needed up front, 280 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:22,200 Speaker 4: they go out and add him as well. But you 281 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:23,600 Speaker 4: have to have a plan, and you have to have 282 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 4: a plan to account for Bosa Armstead. You cannot let 283 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:29,840 Speaker 4: those guys wreck the game before it gets started. And 284 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:32,280 Speaker 4: then when the ball gets going and when you're able 285 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:34,560 Speaker 4: to get some plays going, just when you think you're 286 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 4: sustaining a drive, that's right when you know fifty four 287 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 4: gets his hand on a ball or goes in on 288 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 4: a tackle and punches it out, and then it just 289 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:43,440 Speaker 4: seems like there's a lot of gold hats around the 290 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:46,000 Speaker 4: ball when that happens because they play so hard. 291 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:47,880 Speaker 3: Thank you, yeah, thanks, Pa, appreciate you. 292 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:52,079 Speaker 2: Kevin O'Connell, head coach of the Minnesota Vikings, the defensive 293 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:55,439 Speaker 2: pass game coordinator Deronte Jones is next on the KFAM 294 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 2: Minnesota Vikings or radio network. 295 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:00,320 Speaker 3: Excellent I those continue. 296 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 2: On the KFAM Minnesota Vikings Radio Network. 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And before we get into. 305 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 2: Your your guys, and maybe a Niners question or two, 306 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:33,760 Speaker 2: the Montreal Alouettes. 307 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 3: I mean, you were the. 308 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 2: I forgot to ask you this when I had you 309 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 2: on my KF AHO last week. What's it like being 310 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 2: a DB's coach in the Canadian Football League When the 311 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:47,040 Speaker 2: receivers get to run up to the line on one 312 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 2: hundred dollars per hour. 313 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:50,560 Speaker 4: Oh, it's interesting. That was fun. 314 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 3: It was good. 315 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:53,920 Speaker 5: It's you have to become creative. Yeah, we try to 316 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 5: press that motion. And the biggest rule to your advantage 317 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 5: as a DV coach, as a dB there in that 318 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 5: league is you can make contact with the receiver as 319 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 5: far down the field. It's twenty yards as long as 320 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 5: any contentt as long as your shoulders are parallel to 321 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:13,000 Speaker 5: the line of scrimmage, and so there's no legal contact there. 322 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:15,240 Speaker 4: So we used to always use the term. 323 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 5: Take the charge. Yeah, you know, it's got to step 324 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:19,480 Speaker 5: in front of it. And that's to distrupt the timing, 325 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 5: like the. 326 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 2: Old basketball is a basketball is run down to the 327 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 2: box and comfortably stand there playing basketball. 328 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 5: You're taking the charge. 329 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:27,680 Speaker 3: Wow, that's terrific. 330 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 2: Finally outside of the covenant here twenty twelve to twenty fourteen, 331 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 2: assistant head coach and DB's. 332 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 3: Coach in Hawaii. Yes, what's that like? And and why? 333 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 2: I mean, you're you're at the highest level now I 334 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 2: get that, But why why did you ever leave? 335 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 4: Well? I mean, Hawaii is beautiful. 336 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 5: I was working with some great people, but then the 337 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:51,240 Speaker 5: opportunity came to go to at that point Power five 338 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:53,800 Speaker 5: University of Wisconsin. But no, I enjoyed my time there 339 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 5: that people were great. Yeah, I had a chance to 340 00:15:56,320 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 5: visit and spend some time in American Samoa for a 341 00:15:58,520 --> 00:16:01,240 Speaker 5: football camp, but no, it was phenomenal there. 342 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:04,400 Speaker 2: When it comes to players not dwelling on bad moments 343 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 2: during the game, like how much coachability has to literally 344 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 2: go into that. 345 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:11,560 Speaker 3: Like here's the example. I'm watching back the game. 346 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:14,640 Speaker 2: Early in the game, a Caleb Evans whiffs on a 347 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 2: Justin Fields run that went for like an extra six 348 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 2: seven eight yards. Well, then he comes back and he's 349 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:22,440 Speaker 2: just like hitting the bleep out everything after that. So 350 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:25,720 Speaker 2: I'm thinking to myself, all right, he didn't hold on 351 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:27,520 Speaker 2: to that, he didn't dwell on that. 352 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 3: But not everybody handles things like that. Is that is 353 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 3: that part of the job. 354 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:34,640 Speaker 5: Yes, it is, especially to be a defensive back, not 355 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:37,200 Speaker 5: just in terms of tackling, but in terms of covering 356 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:39,760 Speaker 5: as well. You know, we have to use the phrase 357 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 5: one snapping clear, So whatever happens at play, you forget 358 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:44,280 Speaker 5: about it. You got to move on and treat every 359 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 5: play as his own. 360 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:48,840 Speaker 2: But some players, I mean, they'll make a mistake and 361 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 2: they'll take it too hard and then the lingers and 362 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 2: then all of a sudden, it's sixty over the top 363 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 2: because they're thinking about it. 364 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 1: Right. 365 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:56,200 Speaker 5: You don't want you don't want that same play to 366 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 5: beat you twice. 367 00:16:57,000 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 2: Yes, I think he was playing that, Josh tell Us 368 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:03,440 Speaker 2: And and you know, I think he played. He's played 369 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 2: for like three hundred and fifty nine snaps this year 370 00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:08,080 Speaker 2: or something like that, which is thirty one more than 371 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 2: on defense he played in his first three years. But 372 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:14,399 Speaker 2: it's got he got a contract into the year and 373 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:19,400 Speaker 2: captain C and it's just such a wonderful story of 374 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:23,399 Speaker 2: it's a and sometimes it's overly cliched, but this rags 375 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:26,639 Speaker 2: to riches type thing. I mean, how wonderful is it 376 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 2: working with Josh? 377 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 4: I love Josh. 378 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:31,480 Speaker 5: I was here when we drafted Josh in twenty and 379 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:35,719 Speaker 5: as a rookie, to see him grow from then to now, 380 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:39,359 Speaker 5: to see how his journey, how he made the team, 381 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:41,760 Speaker 5: how close he was and not making the team back 382 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 5: in twenty actually he was cut and then because of 383 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:47,240 Speaker 5: an injury we had to bring him back and all that, 384 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 5: and so you know, he's he has lived every moment, 385 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:54,159 Speaker 5: He's cherished every moment, he's embraced the opportunity and just 386 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:56,719 Speaker 5: when I came back here last year to see how 387 00:17:56,760 --> 00:18:00,399 Speaker 5: he's matured and how valuable he's been on special teams, 388 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:02,399 Speaker 5: and then he just took that last year and carried 389 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:05,320 Speaker 5: over this year two and so being very versatile on 390 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 5: the defense side of the ball. I mean, he's a 391 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:07,920 Speaker 5: huge part. 392 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:08,239 Speaker 4: Of what we do. 393 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:12,440 Speaker 2: Uh Deronte not not you know, whether undrafted first round 394 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:14,600 Speaker 2: pick like back in the day, Trey Wayns or whomever. 395 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:19,480 Speaker 2: Not every dB really or at people players embrace starting 396 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:21,480 Speaker 2: on special teams. They all want to get out there, 397 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:24,960 Speaker 2: play receiver defense, the whole thing. But when you do 398 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:28,600 Speaker 2: start that way, do you find it helps corners or 399 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:32,440 Speaker 2: dbs with their tackling for when they get an opportunity 400 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:34,119 Speaker 2: to go full time defense. 401 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 5: One hundred percent, just to be able to tackle in space. 402 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:38,160 Speaker 5: You know, especially team there's a lot of space out 403 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:41,679 Speaker 5: there and you can come to balance and down shift, 404 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:44,919 Speaker 5: drop your body weight. It definitely carries over to the 405 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 5: defense side of the ball. 406 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:48,920 Speaker 2: Andrew Booth Junior got some got some run and got 407 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:52,160 Speaker 2: some reps in the game against the Bears. When with Andrew, 408 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:54,879 Speaker 2: because there's been an argerous journey due to due to injury. 409 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:58,439 Speaker 2: When when he is at his very best, which you 410 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:01,040 Speaker 2: would see more than anybody else, Like, what does he 411 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:02,080 Speaker 2: do really well? 412 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:05,159 Speaker 5: He's physical, you know, you know, he has that smile, 413 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:09,119 Speaker 5: he's you know, it lights up the room. But Booth 414 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:12,879 Speaker 5: is all about his physicality, getting hands on guys. He 415 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 5: can tackle well, he can get off blocks, he can 416 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:18,760 Speaker 5: see the ball out with the vision. So that's the 417 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:20,040 Speaker 5: one thing he brings to our room. 418 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:23,159 Speaker 2: It's just a physicality and cam buying them into the 419 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:25,080 Speaker 2: weak And still may be the case. I had the 420 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:28,080 Speaker 2: most tackles of any defensive back in the National Football League. 421 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 2: Is that a good thing because like inherently you think, okay, 422 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:34,200 Speaker 2: well people might be getting back into the secondary. 423 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:35,159 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so. 424 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:36,600 Speaker 5: For him and what we're asking him to do and 425 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:38,720 Speaker 5: where we're asking him to make those tackles, yep. You know, 426 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:41,240 Speaker 5: it's not like it's twenty thirty yards down field. So 427 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:44,160 Speaker 5: it's different when you see a defensive back making those 428 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 5: many tackles, you kind of think, wow, there's a lot 429 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:48,560 Speaker 5: of big plays or explosives, but it's really not. You know, 430 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:51,560 Speaker 5: he's making those plays within seven eight yards of a 431 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:53,600 Speaker 5: lot of scrimmage. He's triggered on those bubble screens in 432 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 5: the perimeter game. So I like how fast he's playing, 433 00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 5: and he had to get his body ready for the type. 434 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:02,160 Speaker 3: Of toll was going to take. 435 00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, against the Niners, a very physical team overall, even 436 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:09,040 Speaker 2: more so with the Niners. I mean you you you 437 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 2: might have one of the happiest rooms that Winter Loss 438 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 2: that I've ever seen all my years here. I mean 439 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:15,840 Speaker 2: you talk about Booth and the smile, and I'm on 440 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:18,160 Speaker 2: the same bus with him, you know, from the airport 441 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:18,880 Speaker 2: into the stadium. 442 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 3: He's always happy. Mittellis cam bining them. He's a super 443 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:24,280 Speaker 3: happy guy. I mean, you join his. 444 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:27,200 Speaker 5: Guys in that room, right, Yeah, I'm fortunate I don't 445 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 5: have any knuckleheads over there. 446 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:31,879 Speaker 2: Lastly, when it comes to the forty nine ers, just 447 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:35,600 Speaker 2: from a cursory standpoint with your guys DB's and we 448 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:39,119 Speaker 2: know rush to coverage and all that matters, but like, 449 00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:42,200 Speaker 2: what are some keys for your guys in this game. 450 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 5: Well, you have to know where Debo is at all times, 451 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:50,280 Speaker 5: and Kittle and McCaffrey, and now you got to know 452 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:53,120 Speaker 5: where those guys are at all the times, and you know, 453 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:56,760 Speaker 5: the forty nine is do a wonderful job of putting them. 454 00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:57,640 Speaker 3: In various places. 455 00:20:57,840 --> 00:20:58,080 Speaker 1: You know. 456 00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:00,480 Speaker 5: It's similar to what we do defensely in terms of 457 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:03,840 Speaker 5: they're not really positioned based. They're just exes and they 458 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:05,880 Speaker 5: can line up anywhere and play any spots on the field. 459 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:07,960 Speaker 5: So they create a challenge that way. So we just 460 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:10,600 Speaker 5: have to be locked in and be aware, and they 461 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:12,720 Speaker 5: just play physical. It's going to come down to the 462 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:13,480 Speaker 5: most physical team. 463 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 3: You're awesome, man, Thank you, Shay. 464 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 4: You think that. 465 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:19,920 Speaker 2: Deronte Jones, the defensive pass game coordinator for the Minnesota Vikings. 466 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 2: Courtesy of the Minnesota Lottery. Don't forget anything can happen 467 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:27,840 Speaker 2: with the lottery. 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