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Speaker 1: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome back to the Bob Left Sets podcast.

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Speaker 1: My guest today the saxophone is extraordinary, Dave, Cause wow,

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Speaker 1: that introduction where do we go from? There? Where we

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Speaker 1: go is actually back to a memorial day. The last

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Speaker 1: time I saw you in person, you were presiding over

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Speaker 1: Mindy a Bear's surprise wedding. How did that come together? Well,

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Speaker 1: Mindy is a great friend of mine and a colleague,

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Speaker 1: fantastic saxophone artists and great singer, and we've done a

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Speaker 1: lot of touring together and made records together. And she um.

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Speaker 1: It was actually a funny thing because when are We

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Speaker 1: made this album called Summer Horns in two thousand and thirteen,

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Speaker 1: and at the time I was working with this guy

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Speaker 1: named Eric Querra on a wine project sort of like

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Speaker 1: a side project for us that we do for charity.

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Speaker 1: And over the years we've made a raised a lot

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Speaker 1: of money for a charity called the Starlight Children's Foundation

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Speaker 1: through the sale of Cause Wine, which is basically wine

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Speaker 1: with my name on it. That's you can find it

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Speaker 1: whole Foods and it raises money for charity. As I

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Speaker 1: like to say, drink for the kids. But these are

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Speaker 1: kids that are in the hospital for long periods of time,

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Speaker 1: and this is one way just to kind of help them.

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Speaker 1: So anyway, Eric guarra Um is a good friend of

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Speaker 1: mine in the wine business, and he was helping me

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Speaker 1: for a number of years make this wine and we

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Speaker 1: were having wonderful success. And we just finished the Summer

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Speaker 1: Horns record and I sent him the cover of the

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Speaker 1: album as basically just because he's my friend, I said,

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Speaker 1: here's our new album, and you know, I wanted to

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Speaker 1: share this with you. And he wrote back immediately he said,

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Speaker 1: who is that blonde? And is she's single? And I said, hey,

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Speaker 1: slow your roll, brother, you know, let's let's go a

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Speaker 1: little slower here. I thought I was gonna be your

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Speaker 1: favorite saxophone player, and he said, You're always gonna be

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Speaker 1: my favorite saxophone player. But who is that blonde? So

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Speaker 1: I called Mindy and I said, this guy Eric is

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Speaker 1: is kind of interested in meeting you. Are you interested

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Speaker 1: in meeting him? And I showed her a picture of Eric. Now,

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Speaker 1: since this is a non visual medium, bob um, let

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Speaker 1: me just say he's kind of a He's he's a

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Speaker 1: hot guy, right, He's got these like the total uh,

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Speaker 1: So she's looked at him and she said, yes, I

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Speaker 1: do want to meet him immediately. So they had their

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Speaker 1: first date and I was not there, but evidently it

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Speaker 1: then they got really involved and they've been involved ever since.

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Speaker 1: You know. That was it. So Mindy and Eric came

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Speaker 1: to me many years later and said, we're thinking about

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Speaker 1: tying the knot. And it was in conjunction with Mindy's

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Speaker 1: fiftieth birthday, which was Memorial Day weekend. And I came

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Speaker 1: up with the idea because I presided over one like

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Speaker 1: a gay wedding about five or six years ago. That

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Speaker 1: was a total surprise as well, and it was so

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Speaker 1: much fun because people came to a party not knowing

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Speaker 1: that the they were gonna get married or they weren't

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Speaker 1: witnessed a wedding, and it was so much fun. And

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Speaker 1: so I suggested to them, I said, well, what about

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Speaker 1: just having a fiftieth birthday party, but at the party,

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Speaker 1: we just have a surprise wedding. And they loved it,

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Speaker 1: and so that's that's how it all happened. Okay, how

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Speaker 1: long before the party did you have this conversation? Say,

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Speaker 1: it's probably three months a long time because she has

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Speaker 1: a party every Memorial Day weekend. And I was sitting

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Speaker 1: I guess I'm slow on the uptake. But then it

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Speaker 1: could all put together. And that was before they entered

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Speaker 1: the Uh. The outside where the suble multitude mostly was well,

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Speaker 1: if you've never been to a surprise wedding, there's there's

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Speaker 1: that moment exactly what you just described, Bob, where like

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Speaker 1: the turn that the situation changes. You're coming to a

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Speaker 1: then there's this energy that just erupts and people are

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Speaker 1: it's not for everybody's taste, but for if you kind

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Speaker 1: of like that adventurous spirit. It worked for Indian era list.

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Speaker 1: It was great. It's great vibe and everybody was there.

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Speaker 1: But in addition, you performed the ceremony extremely Well, so

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Speaker 1: is it your How did you come up with your

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Speaker 1: or what happened there, that's a different thing, that's right,

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Speaker 1: That's why I'm asking. But it was very loose. But

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Speaker 1: to be marrying, you know, two people you really really love.

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Speaker 1: But I think it came from them. They were, uh,

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Speaker 1: they said to me like, they didn't put any parameters

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Speaker 1: We don't have to we're nonconformists, so let's just not

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Speaker 1: Mindy had worked a lot with Adam Sandler, and so

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Speaker 1: I was doing some uh you know, just research before that,

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Speaker 1: from the wedding singer that just was the perfect way

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Speaker 1: the quote, I can't remember it right, right right? I

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Speaker 1: should have knew that You've known you're gonna ask me

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Speaker 1: the first time you picked up a saxophone. I was

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Speaker 1: thirteen years old, seventh grade, Portola Junior High School here

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Speaker 1: played other instruments. Well, that's my question. Coming from a

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Speaker 1: Probably so he hated piano. I mean, my mom forced

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Speaker 1: just not gonna have I was crushed. This is two

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Speaker 1: your family said your father was a doctor. What kind

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Speaker 1: of doctor was dermatologist? Dermatologist? So was that something he

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Speaker 1: was a healthy diet of zits and karatosis, and uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, my dad was a very Both my parents

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Speaker 1: my my parents in addition to being you know, Jews,

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Speaker 1: you can believe that, and they were very supportive. Surprisingly

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Speaker 1: Your father is a dermatologist. Most teenagers get it. Did

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Speaker 1: you then go to see your father? Of course there

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Speaker 1: was no charge. Yeah, I guess that's the only thing.

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Speaker 1: and she's two years two years old and me? Okay,

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Speaker 1: Like in my family, it's all two years. And then

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Speaker 1: I know, it's it's amazing that our parents kind of

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Speaker 1: got to it exactly. I can't imagine it. They just

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Speaker 1: my own. Like what kind of issues? Well, I grew

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Speaker 1: as dramatic, but um, when I discovered the saxophone finally

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Speaker 1: Discovering the saxophone at thirteen when my body was exploding,

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Speaker 1: And I've thought about this a lot, and I wonder

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Speaker 1: traveling around. What is why does somebody want to hear

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Speaker 1: are people who can blow circles around me. There's something

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Speaker 1: I mean those like the real pop because I, in

428
00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:10,080
Speaker 1: my in my core, I was never really a jazz musician.

429
00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:12,960
Speaker 1: It was more of just a pop fan. Okay, But

430
00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:15,760
Speaker 1: were you hearing that those songs on the radio where

431
00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:20,520
Speaker 1: you're searching them out? Uh? Probably a combination of them

432
00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:23,919
Speaker 1: and being turned on by uh. I mean you know

433
00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,160
Speaker 1: this like there was that time period where you get

434
00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:29,200
Speaker 1: turned onto music by people. There was in a maybe

435
00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:31,440
Speaker 1: more so than it is now. Yeah, exactly what is

436
00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:33,800
Speaker 1: somebody's house? You gotta hear this record? They put it on,

437
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:37,359
Speaker 1: or even just record shopping. Remember when you would go

438
00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:39,199
Speaker 1: down the aisle and you'd talk to somebody and they

439
00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:40,960
Speaker 1: would be saying, oh did you check this? I was

440
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:43,359
Speaker 1: a regular certain record store. They would hold record for me,

441
00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:45,480
Speaker 1: they would tip me, oh yeah, that was part of

442
00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:48,480
Speaker 1: the whole process. I love that time. What record store

443
00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:51,639
Speaker 1: did you go to? Well, we had the Warehouse Records,

444
00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:54,359
Speaker 1: which was right down the street in Tarzana. There was

445
00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:58,600
Speaker 1: liquorice pizza. That's really going way back in Tarzana. Um

446
00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:00,800
Speaker 1: those are the two main one and of course Tower

447
00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:03,000
Speaker 1: Records on Sunset. But but that was like a special

448
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:05,200
Speaker 1: outing right right, that was a big trip. That was

449
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:07,760
Speaker 1: a very but going there was always the greatest. And

450
00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:10,560
Speaker 1: I remember when my first record came out. Do you

451
00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:13,560
Speaker 1: remember the big when they those oversized record covers on

452
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:17,600
Speaker 1: the side of the building. Well, for my first record

453
00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:21,480
Speaker 1: they did that, and I I remember driving down Sunset

454
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:24,960
Speaker 1: Boulevard and so this was probably fall of when it

455
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:30,040
Speaker 1: first came out, and I I freaked, I mean literally

456
00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:32,879
Speaker 1: freaked out because that's like a dream come true for

457
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:35,320
Speaker 1: for any music fan to see your well, to have

458
00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:37,280
Speaker 1: a record come out, period, but then to see the

459
00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:40,720
Speaker 1: cover on the side of Tower Records. That's also better

460
00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:43,880
Speaker 1: than hearing it on the radio, for sure. But wait,

461
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:46,280
Speaker 1: we're driving down the street. I hate to bust into

462
00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:49,720
Speaker 1: the story. Did you know what was gonna be there? Um? Yeah,

463
00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:53,120
Speaker 1: they had told me that it was going. Okay, So

464
00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:57,560
Speaker 1: you're taking lessons in school? Are you taking lessons outside

465
00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:03,600
Speaker 1: of school? Um? Basically playing in school? I never really had. Um.

466
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:06,400
Speaker 1: I took saxophone lessons for a very short period of time.

467
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:10,640
Speaker 1: I studied improvisation when I was in high school quite uh.

468
00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 1: When you say it took lessons briefly, that was at

469
00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:17,520
Speaker 1: the advent of your playing career or somewhere later. It

470
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:20,800
Speaker 1: was probably maybe a few years into it. So most

471
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:23,119
Speaker 1: of the learning that I did on the saxophone. The

472
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:25,920
Speaker 1: funny thing about the sacks, to Bob was that it

473
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:30,040
Speaker 1: was unlike the piano, drums or any other instrument. The

474
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:34,600
Speaker 1: minute it came into my hands, there was a kinship

475
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,639
Speaker 1: with the instrument, like it felt right. It was not

476
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:41,280
Speaker 1: a struggle. It was just it had a different texture.

477
00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:44,720
Speaker 1: Like all of a sudden, I was okay at it,

478
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:48,200
Speaker 1: you know, and I got good quick. And then two

479
00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:52,040
Speaker 1: years later, after playing for two years. I basically, you know,

480
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:54,359
Speaker 1: drove my brother so crazy that he let me be

481
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:56,520
Speaker 1: in the band. And then I was playing with people

482
00:25:56,560 --> 00:26:00,199
Speaker 1: who were much better musicians than I was, so it

483
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:03,440
Speaker 1: allowed me. It's like the same thing when you want

484
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:05,439
Speaker 1: to take up a sport or play tennis. Something you

485
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 1: play with people who are much better than you gets

486
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 1: you better quicker. That was exactly the way it worked

487
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:13,520
Speaker 1: for me, because I got all these amazing musicians I

488
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 1: get to play with. You know, the bar mits was

489
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 1: every weekend. Okay, so that's the next question. How much

490
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:21,720
Speaker 1: did you work, um, at least a couple of times

491
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 1: a week, and what kind of money were you ending

492
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:27,560
Speaker 1: up making. I made ten dollars on my first one,

493
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 1: where everybody else played got a hunter bucks. Um, my

494
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:35,320
Speaker 1: brother paid me ten dollars and uh, I filed that

495
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:38,760
Speaker 1: away and uh later on down the road when my

496
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:41,119
Speaker 1: brother and I wrote some songs from my first album,

497
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:43,600
Speaker 1: I think he might have gotten paid ten dollars because

498
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:49,919
Speaker 1: paybacks a bit. Jeff. Although usually people who were successful musicians,

499
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:53,520
Speaker 1: wedding musicians, bar mitzva musicians in high school, they're making

500
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:58,240
Speaker 1: a good chunck of change. Honestly, I from the time

501
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:02,040
Speaker 1: that my first record came out at least six months.

502
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 1: At least six months, I was still working every weekend

503
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:07,359
Speaker 1: doing weddings even though I was a recording artist now

504
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 1: and getting played on the radio because the money was great.

505
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:11,680
Speaker 1: But when you were in high school, you were making

506
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,439
Speaker 1: a lot of money. What did you do with the money? Drugs?

507
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:19,959
Speaker 1: Not just kidding, um, I just I don't know. I

508
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,920
Speaker 1: think I what did I do with the money. I

509
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 1: probably bought equipment, and I bought a car. That's why

510
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:29,959
Speaker 1: I was usually that that's what you did. What kind

511
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:32,120
Speaker 1: of car was it? My first car that I ever

512
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 1: got was a Honda Accord hatchback copper color, and uh

513
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 1: cost me. So you want a brand new I remember

514
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 1: that model. That model would run forever if something. You

515
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:48,359
Speaker 1: didn't want a new car? Yeah, so I had it

516
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 1: for a long time. Well let's stay on the car

517
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 1: thing for one time. I remember, for ecological reasons, you

518
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 1: switch from your Mercedes to your Prius. But you wanted

519
00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,400
Speaker 1: something a little more luxurious. So what do you drive

520
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:01,959
Speaker 1: in now? I drive a Tesla, That's what I figured.

521
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 1: And you drive I was gonna just say, so you

522
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:07,160
Speaker 1: drive a Tesla? S I drive a test last, So,

523
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 1: uh do you use the automatic driving mode? You know,

524
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:13,879
Speaker 1: I don't have that on my on my car. You

525
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:16,359
Speaker 1: could update it because some are upgradable, some aren't. This

526
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 1: one is not because I had I got my Tesla

527
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 1: the second year that they came out, and so it's

528
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:25,119
Speaker 1: not it doesn't have the software capability of being U Okay,

529
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:28,439
Speaker 1: So your Tesla is like six years old exactly. Okay,

530
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:31,160
Speaker 1: how had any problems with It's been a great car.

531
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 1: I mean you hear everybody who's got a Tesla doesn't

532
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 1: stop raving, said they would only drive an electric car

533
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 1: out what do you drive? I drive a SOB that's

534
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 1: really a subru so the only thing I drove to

535
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 1: BMW's before that, I wanted to get a Japanese car.

536
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 1: And actually this guy, Jim Ron Denelly record producer, worked

537
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 1: with Matthew sweet Wilko a million people. His father was

538
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 1: in the car business, and he called me up so

539
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 1: I ushould drive this car. You've got a special deal whatever,

540
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 1: and I get a you know service at the super

541
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 1: Group plate SOB. They didn't really know what they were doing.

542
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 1: The only thing the car drives well, because after you

543
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 1: have a BMW, you're into that driving ability. Okay, the

544
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 1: only thing it does well is drive. Well. It's a

545
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 1: turbo charge d engine that's got four wheel drive. But

546
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 1: all the bells and whistles, the computerized stuff. No. I mean,

547
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 1: I got a stereo better than you can buy in

548
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 1: any car. But I was hoping to drive that car

549
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 1: until we went to no one owning cars. I drove

550
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 1: my first BMW for eleven years and my second BMW

551
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 1: for twenty years. You know, it's like I was attached

552
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 1: to them. This is before the days of leasing, and

553
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 1: leasing is really just a way of burning money. And

554
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 1: I take very good care of my stuff. And then

555
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 1: you see, well what what a new car right cost?

556
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 1: You don't want to get a new car. It's like

557
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 1: they say the guy in the Wall Street Journal, the

558
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 1: big he's a number one auto guys is don't buy

559
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 1: a gas combunction combustion car internal combustion because it's gonna

560
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 1: fall off a cliff in a matter of years. So

561
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 1: my nephew is the number, depending on the month, the

562
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 1: number two or three BMW salesman in America. This is

563
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 1: an amazing story. My sister now lives in the valley,

564
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 1: and uh, he didn't make it. In college and then

565
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 1: he bounced around one story worse than another. He ended

566
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 1: up working last job for his karate teacher didn't show

567
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 1: up on time. He was down and out forget it,

568
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 1: and people were stick of getting him jobs. He answered

569
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 1: an ad to work in the Internet department in Keys

570
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 1: Lexus on Wilshore Boulevard. First you're doing nothing. Then he

571
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:43,720
Speaker 1: found out he had a real flair for it, so

572
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:45,720
Speaker 1: he sold lex I for a while. He met his

573
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 1: wife there, and he sells BMW. He sells so many cars.

574
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 1: He told me. I saw him a couple of weeks ago.

575
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 1: He sold nine cars in a month. That's amazing. So

576
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 1: I mean, if I want to BMW, it's not so

577
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 1: much that it's a deal, but if you want to

578
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 1: get a used one, he has all that you know,

579
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 1: he knows which ones are good, etcetera. And my car

580
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 1: was looked like it was on his last legs a

581
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 1: year ago, and I was gonna get one, but I'm

582
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 1: not into leasing. But then I say, if I buy

583
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 1: one having owned BMW's incredible service, costs, unbelievable, great driving experience,

584
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 1: but I said, I don't want to make a big

585
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 1: investment and then find out it's worth nothing. And as

586
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 1: far as a Tesla, especially with a Tesla three, that's

587
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 1: very enticing. But you know my girlfriend well, and we

588
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 1: lived together. She's got a one car garage and her

589
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 1: car is in the garage and you have to charge it.

590
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 1: So that's my car story. Note she has. It's interesting

591
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 1: because this is how we all we know each other.

592
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 1: But her sister has been leasing a car every three years. Okay,

593
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 1: the irony is her car is up next month. That

594
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 1: you think of not getting a car at all, which

595
00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 1: I know a number of people have done that, just

596
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 1: take over. But because she doesn't drive that much, and

597
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 1: if you're leasing, your really upside down. But what happened

598
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 1: was they wanted to lease a new car and they

599
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:12,719
Speaker 1: had bought one car they leased and it was a

600
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 1: fully I mean he had everything, the Macabici, stereo, the

601
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 1: cool seats, whatever, lexus and she sold it to my girlfriend,

602
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 1: her twin sister, four years ago with not even thirty

603
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 1: thousand miles on it. So that's the car she drops.

604
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 1: You know, uh uh suddenly I g S three. Do

605
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 1: you think that cars will actually go the way of

606
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 1: land lines? Absolutely? You know, I know a lot of

607
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 1: people that do not have landline. I still have one.

608
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 1: I kind of like it. Actually I still have one,

609
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 1: and I and I have one because it's now baked

610
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 1: into the triple plate with cable, okay, And everyone said, oh,

611
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 1: you know, it's not gonna be as good as landline,

612
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 1: much better than dealing with GT which was and then Verizon.

613
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 1: But uh, you know, I find myself, you know, I

614
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 1: do you keep on your phone to use the ICL

615
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 1: calendar app to have all your appointments? Yes, you know,

616
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 1: I find so addicted that. And then I I have people,

617
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 1: you know, I used to always helps call my landline.

618
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 1: Now there say call my cell phone, and unless I'm

619
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 1: literally at home, I really don't use it. And the

620
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 1: other thing I find is people now forget that people text.

621
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 1: What astounds me is when I look, I still have

622
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 1: an answering machine, very specifically because with voicemail, the landline

623
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 1: you pick up to know how many calls. If you

624
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 1: have an answering machine, you can hear and know whether

625
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 1: to pick up, and other than junk calls, if anybody

626
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 1: calls at all, they don't call my landline. You have

627
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 1: an answering machine, like absolutely absolutely listen. It was hard

628
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 1: to get one when the last one, where do you

629
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 1: get it? Okay, well, you know you you'll find the

630
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 1: cassette players. This is what I got on Amazon. But

631
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 1: if you remember in your old enough to remember, the

632
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 1: answering machines had a very brief lifespan, like two years,

633
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 1: and then they switched to digital to s s D

634
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 1: s uh you know, solid state storage and then but

635
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:16,279
Speaker 1: they only couldn't have a little things. So now the

636
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:19,319
Speaker 1: irony is I bought one which is nowhere near as

637
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:20,959
Speaker 1: good as the ones you used to be able to buy,

638
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:28,359
Speaker 1: but it's made for Mexico. Because this is a big surprise. Now,

639
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:30,920
Speaker 1: this is something I would have never expected to hear

640
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:33,319
Speaker 1: come out of your mouth. Let's let's say you're at

641
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Speaker 1: home and you're working at the computer and I really

642
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 1: can't be up to interrupted when I work, I get

643
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 1: in the mood and the phone rings, and you see

644
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 1: to yourself, hmm, I was expecting that important call. But

645
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 1: if it's not the important call and I pick up

646
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 1: the phone, it's gonna change my mood. It really can

647
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 1: suck me up. But what about color I D like

648
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 1: where you can see who's calling calor I D is

649
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,720
Speaker 1: a good point, but lot of people have their numbers blocked.

650
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 1: So this way I used to turn let's forget really

651
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:09,319
Speaker 1: into it. I used to turn the machine off when

652
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:13,799
Speaker 1: it worked. When I work this machine. After once you

653
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 1: get a call in them, you can't turn the voice

654
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 1: coming in down completely. But I could be sitting there

655
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 1: and I could hear if it's somebody important calling. Okay,

656
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:26,399
Speaker 1: as you know, let's go five steps further. We're not

657
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 1: quite like the younger generation, but no one calls anymore anyway.

658
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 1: It is true. My goal is to never talk on

659
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 1: the phone, because what I find is people call you

660
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 1: and they say, ay, how you doing, having a good summer?

661
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:43,800
Speaker 1: What have you seen? And then they get to the ask,

662
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 1: which you don't want to provide no matter what. Uh.

663
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:49,839
Speaker 1: This guy Peter gross life, He was an agent at

664
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 1: William Morris. He ran their department for a while. He

665
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 1: got this very weird disease. He ultimately died of pancreatic cancer.

666
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 1: But this is before that. They couldn't figure out what

667
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 1: it was, and R. A. M Annual ultimately ran wm ME.

668
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:06,319
Speaker 1: When William Morris merged with Endeavor and his brother Rom

669
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:09,880
Speaker 1: was running was chief of staff for Obama and Peter

670
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 1: wanted his disease whatever it was studied by the National

671
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 1: Institute of Health, so rom Connect already connected it with ROM.

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00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:22,759
Speaker 1: He dialed ROM ROM picked up the phone. The first

673
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:26,879
Speaker 1: thing he says, what do you need? Just got right there, etcetera.

674
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:31,319
Speaker 1: And uh so, you know, I mean I just had

675
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 1: some guy doing some work yesterday and the whole thing

676
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 1: was done in texts. I mean, people bare leave an

677
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:41,719
Speaker 1: email anymore. It's crazy. Those are my justifications. Well, you know,

678
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:45,840
Speaker 1: it's possible that we could, as the world moves hurls

679
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 1: forward through technological barriers that you and I never thought

680
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 1: postule because of our age um, that there might be

681
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 1: it seems plausible that there could be a faction of

682
00:36:56,280 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 1: us that go back to the real old school voicemail

683
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 1: or stuff. That it's kind of fun. It's sort of

684
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 1: like a it's fun to think about going back in

685
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:10,400
Speaker 1: time like that. Well, and you're touching a little bit

686
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 1: of a nerve for me. Yes, there's the steampunk movement,

687
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 1: which is like that. But as a dedicated reader of

688
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 1: like four newspapers a day and I read the New

689
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:23,359
Speaker 1: York Times cover to cover, they are so anti technology

690
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 1: it blows my mind. It's uh Thompson. I think that's

691
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:32,759
Speaker 1: the name of the company is big student book company.

692
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,799
Speaker 1: They just went completely digital. But if you read in

693
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:39,400
Speaker 1: the New York Times, oh, physical books are where it's at.

694
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 1: And then if you buy digital books, which I do,

695
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 1: and I could sing the praises all day long, they've

696
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 1: raised the prices so much that sometimes they're higher than

697
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:49,759
Speaker 1: the physical book. One thing we know for sure is

698
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:53,399
Speaker 1: digital books will come. Then you get someone who says, oh, yeah,

699
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:55,840
Speaker 1: i'm anti you know, you know this is BYS and

700
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:57,440
Speaker 1: you find they have an upgraded this is in the

701
00:37:57,480 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 1: New York Time. They have an upgraded their operating system

702
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:03,440
Speaker 1: for three generations, if nothing else, for security reasons, they

703
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 1: should then Chuck Schumer uses a flip phone, which I

704
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 1: think is just insane. So I am a very nostalgic person.

705
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 1: So as long we can be nostalgic, just as le

706
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 1: long as we can't deny the future. It's like this

707
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 1: whole Vinyl craze. If the album was cut analog and

708
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 1: you want to make vinyl, fantastic, But if the album

709
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 1: was cut totally digital and you're making vinyl, that's just insane. Yeah,

710
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 1: I know, I get it, But let's go back to

711
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:36,879
Speaker 1: your tesla. So you essentially have had no problems. I've

712
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 1: had no problems, and when you've had to have service,

713
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 1: you haven't had to wait or anything. No. And actually

714
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:44,400
Speaker 1: the last time I had at service, they gave me

715
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 1: a brand new Tesla and I was like, I'm not

716
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:50,880
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm not returning this. I was very happy

717
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 1: with my loner. Uh No, they've been great. They really

718
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 1: have been great. And I follow that, you know, the

719
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 1: whole thing with Elon Muskin, who I think is a

720
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 1: guy that is such a visionary, and I feel like

721
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 1: we need to take care of these people. I couldn't

722
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:08,720
Speaker 1: agree more the true visionaries of our of our world,

723
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 1: like he's he's one of them. That and almost and

724
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 1: this is maybe an unfair thing to say, but I

725
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 1: feel like we should, we should protect them in a way.

726
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 1: Uh that they're not because he is soul like from

727
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:24,399
Speaker 1: every imaginable side there after, that guy, I just see

728
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 1: it in his face. You know, it's like it's terrible.

729
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 1: It's the internet error is bad enough where if you're

730
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,840
Speaker 1: playing online, do you get any hate email, hate tweets

731
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 1: or anything. I don't really, I mean I'm sure that

732
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 1: I do. Um, but I really, I mean, if if

733
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:41,319
Speaker 1: it happens, it's probably very small number. And I really don't.

734
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 1: I try not to get to inside of it, especially

735
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 1: on social media. My social media is is kind of

736
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 1: one way. I don't really partake in it in an

737
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:54,920
Speaker 1: exchange because I feel like, you know, it's it's um

738
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:58,399
Speaker 1: First of all, it's an energy and time suck big time.

739
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 1: I'm just like a full time job if you really

740
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:03,760
Speaker 1: they want it right, So, but I understand the necessary

741
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:06,440
Speaker 1: you know, it's a necessary thing too for promotion, and

742
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 1: we're out on tour right now. We want people to

743
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 1: know that we're coming to their city. So social media

744
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 1: is an important thing. But to get involved in that

745
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 1: kind of discourse with people can can be a slippery slope. Well,

746
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 1: I find because I have a lot of incoming and

747
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 1: I've learned through experience it's about you. Otherwise I could

748
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:28,120
Speaker 1: tell my own experiences specifically. But ten percent of the

749
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:32,359
Speaker 1: public is certifiably insane. Literally literally, I'm not a good

750
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:35,839
Speaker 1: joke because I have a bad experience. But you don't

751
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 1: know which ten percent it is. That's funny. The person

752
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 1: who seems so reasonable, all of a sudden you find

753
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 1: they're the craziest. Just kind of like email. The people

754
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 1: who send the longest email are bad person of person

755
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 1: people send the briefest email, they're the ones you connect

756
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 1: with offlat Okay, but let's get back. So when you're

757
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:58,720
Speaker 1: when you're playing the saxophone, you're playing in your brother's band.

758
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:04,239
Speaker 1: Are you also playing in school bands marching bands? Yeah?

759
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 1: I was not coordinated enough to to march and play

760
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 1: at the same time, so I kind of got excused

761
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 1: from marching band. I had a band teacher named Mr

762
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:16,360
Speaker 1: camp Uh in at Taft High School in in Tarzana

763
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 1: are in Woodland Hills, and he excused me from marching

764
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:22,879
Speaker 1: in the marching band. And I God, bless that guy.

765
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 1: You know, she's so nice to me. But since you

766
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:29,840
Speaker 1: were playing in this band, did you get any recognition

767
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 1: in your high school for that? Well? Mr camp was

768
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:36,959
Speaker 1: really there were two music teachers, Mrs Brown and Junior

769
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:39,319
Speaker 1: High school was my first real music teacher, and then

770
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 1: Mr camp Uh And these are two people that that

771
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:45,799
Speaker 1: truly kind of saw something in me and and nurtured that.

772
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 1: And then when I started to have more when I

773
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 1: graduated from college and I met a couple of other

774
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:53,720
Speaker 1: people that were really, you know, those are the people.

775
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 1: The best way that that I could describe them is

776
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:58,760
Speaker 1: when you go to a bowling alley when the kids

777
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 1: playing uh bowling, you know, and then they now nowadays

778
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 1: you can put those things in the in the gutters,

779
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:10,280
Speaker 1: so you don't ever have a gutter ball football. Those people.

780
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 1: I've had some people that were like those kinds of

781
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 1: things for me that kept my ball in play. If

782
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 1: you're part of the expression um and and without whom

783
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 1: I don't think that I would be sitting here talking

784
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 1: to you. They saw something in me that I didn't

785
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:26,719
Speaker 1: know was there. And whether it was Mr Camp who

786
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 1: kind of like the just and he was a real

787
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:34,319
Speaker 1: like salty character. This was the time. It was a

788
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:39,920
Speaker 1: chain smoker, bad attitude, just miserable guy. You know. This

789
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 1: was a time when the he was he was a

790
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 1: saxophone player himself and a music teacher and it was

791
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:50,839
Speaker 1: a time in public schools where the music classes were

792
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 1: being shrunk and so he was having to teach more math,

793
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:57,759
Speaker 1: which he hated. So he was just a cranky old

794
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:00,840
Speaker 1: you know, sot and uh. But yet with me he

795
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:04,240
Speaker 1: was he showed a real soft side and real nurturing

796
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:06,760
Speaker 1: side and really gave me some of those those early

797
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 1: moments where I saw a little glimmer of what could be.

798
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:12,320
Speaker 1: But I never ever thought that this would be my

799
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 1: my living Let's go back to the beginning. As someone

800
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:18,279
Speaker 1: who's never put her my mouth to a read on

801
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 1: a saxophone, you had a natural affinity. But it looks

802
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:26,359
Speaker 1: like something that would be hard to learn. How how

803
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 1: long does it take for someone to actually be able

804
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:31,040
Speaker 1: to play the saxophone? When I picked up the instrument

805
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 1: in the first uh, in the first few months, my mom,

806
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 1: God bless her, she made me stuff a sock in

807
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 1: the bell of my mom which only half masks the sound.

808
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 1: But let me just say this, for that first year,

809
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:45,479
Speaker 1: you gotta have some really loving people around you, because

810
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 1: otherwise you're going to drive people crazy because it's not

811
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:52,359
Speaker 1: a not a particularly nice sound. But my parents, this

812
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 1: is the kind of people that they were. They turned

813
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:58,839
Speaker 1: their garage into a music room, a soundproof music room

814
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 1: from my brother and I to be able to to

815
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 1: to do what to our hearts content, what we wanted

816
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:06,759
Speaker 1: to do. So they were very I mean, I'm looking

817
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:08,880
Speaker 1: back at them and what they did for us. They

818
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 1: were exceptional parents, very loving and very nurtural, which is

819
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 1: not necessarily something that you'd see every day from you

820
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:19,319
Speaker 1: know the no believe me. No, I could go on,

821
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 1: but as I say, this podcast is about you. So

822
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 1: were you a good student and they're talking about academics.

823
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 1: M you know, not bad okay, never never really loving school?

824
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:33,480
Speaker 1: But but did okay you know, B plus a minus.

825
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 1: So you end up going to u c l A. Yeah,

826
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:39,719
Speaker 1: you're living in tar Siana. Did you live in Westwood

827
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 1: or did you commute? Know? The first year I lived

828
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:45,360
Speaker 1: in Sprawl Hall in the dorms at U c l A.

829
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 1: And uh I was a communications major. I took one

830
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 1: year off during the five years that I was in

831
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 1: that time period, and I went to a music school

832
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 1: called the Dick Grove School of Music, which sadly no

833
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:02,239
Speaker 1: longer exists, but at the time it was an amazing

834
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 1: place to go where it was very international. A lot

835
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 1: of other people came from from different countries to learn

836
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:12,920
Speaker 1: composing and arranging. It was not necessarily a music school

837
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:16,319
Speaker 1: about performing. I mean, they did have performance classes, but

838
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 1: for me that the principal program was this thing called

839
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 1: c A P Composing and Arranging programs where Dick Grove

840
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 1: taught that, and every week you'd have to write a

841
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 1: chart in a different format, a different genre. So you

842
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:32,919
Speaker 1: one week was country, the next few week was big band,

843
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 1: the next week was Broadway, and you had to actually

844
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 1: right and copy a whole chart for an orchestra every week.

845
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:44,400
Speaker 1: It was the hard I think it might have been

846
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 1: the hardest thing I ever did musically. Um. But by

847
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 1: the end of that year, you knew a lot about music,

848
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 1: and you knew how to read and write at a

849
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 1: level that many people do not, almost no popular musicians.

850
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 1: So when was that in your college career? That was

851
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:05,839
Speaker 1: in my third oh, no second year, so I had

852
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 1: a one year of college. It took one year off

853
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 1: and then I've been went back to c l A. Okay,

854
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:14,840
Speaker 1: So what was the thought process going to Dick Grove? Um,

855
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:16,800
Speaker 1: It just seemed like, if I was ever going to

856
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 1: do this, this was the time to do it. And

857
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 1: I had the support of my parents and my brother

858
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:24,759
Speaker 1: who went through the the CAP program before. He said,

859
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:27,400
Speaker 1: this is something you really need to do, and so

860
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:29,840
Speaker 1: it just seemed like the right thing to do. But

861
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 1: then I went back to U c l A and

862
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 1: I graduated. Okay, you went back to U c l A.

863
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:37,720
Speaker 1: There was no thought of turning professional at that point. No, okay,

864
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:39,360
Speaker 1: so you go back to U c l A. And

865
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:43,400
Speaker 1: you end up majoring in communications and then you graduate.

866
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:48,360
Speaker 1: What year do you graduate? So six? The economy is

867
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 1: relatively good. What are your thoughts for a career of

868
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:56,839
Speaker 1: any stripe? On my graduation day, my Jewish parents look

869
00:46:56,880 --> 00:47:00,359
Speaker 1: at me with that look. You know you you're off

870
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 1: the payroll. You better knew. I had no prospects of anything,

871
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:06,279
Speaker 1: and so I made a deal with them. I said,

872
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna try music for six months and if I

873
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:11,279
Speaker 1: can get something going with music, great, and if not,

874
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 1: after six months, I will go and get some job.

875
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 1: And I was fine with that. I was fine and

876
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:19,680
Speaker 1: making that deal. And two weeks after I graduated, I

877
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:22,320
Speaker 1: got a call from Bobby Calwell if you remember that,

878
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 1: And of course, and Bobby was putting together a band,

879
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 1: A new band can do some gigs in Los Angeles,

880
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:31,440
Speaker 1: and I auditioned for him and I got the gig,

881
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:35,880
Speaker 1: and um, a couple of weeks later, after rehearsal, we're

882
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 1: at a place called at my place, remember that. So

883
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 1: this was and everybody was there because Bobby called. This

884
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 1: was his re emergence too, and um, it was very exciting.

885
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:50,560
Speaker 1: So it was a two show night True story. First

886
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:53,880
Speaker 1: show and every uh every song of Bobby's had a

887
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:57,279
Speaker 1: sack solo, so that's why I was there. So um

888
00:47:57,320 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 1: and I noticed he would sing the song and then

889
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:01,319
Speaker 1: during the sex sol he would kind of move off

890
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:03,560
Speaker 1: from the side of the stage, but I didn't move.

891
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 1: I stayed in my little spot because I was kind

892
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 1: of shy. And uh. So the show ends and Bobby says,

893
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 1: I need to talk to you, and I figured, okay,

894
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:16,759
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get fired my first freaking gig. So he

895
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:20,440
Speaker 1: he comes and he says, what are you doing? Man? Uh,

896
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:22,360
Speaker 1: what do you mean? He said, I'm trying to you know,

897
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 1: during your sex sol, I'm giving you the space. You

898
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:27,719
Speaker 1: should go up there and take it over. That's what

899
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 1: I'm trying to do. I'm trying to give you the spotlight.

900
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:33,120
Speaker 1: And I was like, okay. Well he never needed to

901
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 1: say anything again because the second show I just launched

902
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:38,800
Speaker 1: right into it. It It was the first time I remember

903
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 1: that it was like that, the rush of being the

904
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:46,839
Speaker 1: focus of attention on on a bandstand, because up to

905
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:49,920
Speaker 1: that point I had never been the guy that people

906
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 1: focus on and I was very comfortable being in the background.

907
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 1: I didn't even know that this was something that was

908
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:58,240
Speaker 1: inside of me. And Bobby was the first person to

909
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:00,920
Speaker 1: to nurture that and say to push me to the

910
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:04,719
Speaker 1: front of the stage. And then I really liked it

911
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:07,919
Speaker 1: a lot. Okay, for those who've seen you live, you're

912
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 1: very active and to use the uh the phrase, everybody's

913
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:14,400
Speaker 1: very into it. Were you that active and into it

914
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 1: from the beginning, I think I learned learned it and

915
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:19,960
Speaker 1: probably those early days I was trying to feel my

916
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 1: way through it. Um. The second gig that I got,

917
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:26,239
Speaker 1: the big prominent gig was from Bobby. I met a

918
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:29,279
Speaker 1: guy named Jeff Lorver. I hear from Jeff lord an

919
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:32,359
Speaker 1: email all the time. Yeah. Now he's you know, he's

920
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 1: very thoughtful and very interesting guys. He's brilliant. I mean,

921
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 1: he's a genius. And so I just want to go

922
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 1: back to the Bobby called gig very slowly. He was

923
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:48,399
Speaker 1: aware of you, or you were aware of him. How

924
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:51,880
Speaker 1: did you get the audition? There was a woman and

925
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:55,040
Speaker 1: I'm trying to remember her name, but she was a

926
00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 1: publisher who had seen me play with somebody else and

927
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:02,280
Speaker 1: back then like that was really the way it worked

928
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 1: back then. Maybe it's still this, you know, for for

929
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 1: new artists now it's like that word of mouth kind

930
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 1: of thing. But somebody sees you and goes yeah, And

931
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:13,080
Speaker 1: then they talked to somebody else, and it was this

932
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:15,880
Speaker 1: publisher talking to another publisher who happened to be the

933
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:19,680
Speaker 1: publisher for Bobby Calwell, who told him about me, And

934
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:23,759
Speaker 1: the next thing I knew, I got this call from him. Okay,

935
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 1: now trying to see how to think of how to

936
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:31,919
Speaker 1: verbalize this if you're a hot guitarist in that era.

937
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 1: There are a million hot guitarists in Los Angeles, million

938
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 1: people calls. Some might be a little bit better than

939
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 1: others when you're getting this gig. How many exceptional saxophonists

940
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:44,399
Speaker 1: are there in Los Angeles? I think there's a lot,

941
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:47,719
Speaker 1: you know, I think that there were a lot. There's

942
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 1: always a lot of really wonderful musicians, especially in Los Angeles.

943
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:55,560
Speaker 1: This is to me still to this day, Bob. I

944
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:58,080
Speaker 1: feel like I, you know, I've been here my whole

945
00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:00,279
Speaker 1: life pretty much, and I feel like I know the

946
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 1: community of musicians, and then all of a sudden I'll

947
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 1: find this whole other vat of musicians that I didn't

948
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:11,080
Speaker 1: even know about. An incredible musicians. So it was that

949
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:13,799
Speaker 1: way back then. Maybe not as many as there are

950
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 1: now today, but there's certainly no shortage of people that

951
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:19,920
Speaker 1: could do that gig, right, Okay, so then you get

952
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 1: a gig with Jeff Lerber. Yeah, And so what happens

953
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:27,359
Speaker 1: then or thereafter? Well, the audition for Laudber took place

954
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:30,360
Speaker 1: at his house and Pacific Palisades, and it was because

955
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 1: of the Bobby gig. And so I walked in and

956
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:37,160
Speaker 1: we played a blues I remember this, and and Lauder

957
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:39,400
Speaker 1: has talked about this too. We talked about that because

958
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:41,880
Speaker 1: he was a guest on our cruise, this last cruise

959
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 1: in Australia, and we had a one arm one where

960
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:48,920
Speaker 1: we talked about that exact moment of walking into his studio.

961
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:51,960
Speaker 1: I was a nervous wreck. I'm like, this is a

962
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:54,400
Speaker 1: guy that I grew up listening to and idolizing, and

963
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:59,399
Speaker 1: now I mean his studio, keyboards plastered everywhere, and I'm

964
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:02,680
Speaker 1: auditioning to be in his band. And um, he says,

965
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:04,880
Speaker 1: why don't we just play like a B flat blues?

966
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:07,120
Speaker 1: And so we got one course through the blues and

967
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:09,120
Speaker 1: he stopped playing and I said, okay, well I didn't

968
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 1: get this gig, and so he says, yeah, man, um

969
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:15,279
Speaker 1: let me. Uh, I'm gonna talk to my managers. We'll

970
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:18,360
Speaker 1: get your information and uh, the first gig is in

971
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:21,200
Speaker 1: like three weeks and here's what we're gonna be wearing.

972
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:22,920
Speaker 1: And I also want to talk to you about like,

973
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:25,839
Speaker 1: I think you should make your own records, dude, and uh,

974
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:29,239
Speaker 1: you know, typical Larber, just just going for it. And

975
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:31,560
Speaker 1: I'm like, my jaw is on the floor. I'm like,

976
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:34,840
Speaker 1: what the hell are you talking about? What are you smoking? What? Really?

977
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:38,200
Speaker 1: And he was the first person that said on that day,

978
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:42,440
Speaker 1: on my audition day, that I should make my own records.

979
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:45,080
Speaker 1: And up to that point, I had never the thought

980
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 1: had never even crossed my mind. So I am I

981
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:52,040
Speaker 1: worship the ground that that man walks on. And he said,

982
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 1: we're gonna make some demos and we're gonna get you signed.

983
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 1: And that's exactly what happened. Wow, So we have to

984
00:52:57,640 --> 00:53:03,680
Speaker 1: credit Larber. Okay, so because Bobby, but I've tried to say,

985
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:06,879
Speaker 1: as far as the vision to be recording artists, So

986
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:10,520
Speaker 1: from that first date, how much longer period of time

987
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:13,680
Speaker 1: after that, do you make those demos we started right away.

988
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:17,000
Speaker 1: Really yeah. I think I got signed in by Bruce

989
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:19,759
Speaker 1: lan involved me. He rest in peace. I'm sure you've

990
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 1: talked about Bruce on your show in years past. Uh.

991
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:26,920
Speaker 1: He was one of the greats of music. And he

992
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:31,279
Speaker 1: signed me. I think it was to Capitol Records and

993
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:35,719
Speaker 1: my first record came out in I remember really uh,

994
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:41,080
Speaker 1: um a great meeting with Lorber and myself and my

995
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:45,239
Speaker 1: manager at the time, who will remain nameless. I was

996
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:49,520
Speaker 1: gonna get there next but keep going. Um at at

997
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:52,960
Speaker 1: Warner Brothers Records with Tommy Lapuma and we played the

998
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:55,400
Speaker 1: demos for Tommy Lapuma and I could tell that Tommy

999
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:58,600
Speaker 1: liked it, but I think that he was not particularly

1000
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:01,719
Speaker 1: excited about having an other artists with the manager at

1001
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:04,799
Speaker 1: the time, and so he he said, I'm not going

1002
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:06,959
Speaker 1: to sign you. And that's when we went to Bruce

1003
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:08,920
Speaker 1: len Ball And it's like one of those things when

1004
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 1: you think about at the time, I was crushed because

1005
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:16,959
Speaker 1: let's be on Warner Brothers, that amazing roster. Think about

1006
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:21,000
Speaker 1: alg Ro, George Benson and all those incredible artists, Miles

1007
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:24,120
Speaker 1: David So anyway, um, and then the next thing it was.

1008
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:27,799
Speaker 1: It was Bruce ln Ball and there was a cassette.

1009
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:29,920
Speaker 1: This was back in the time when the demo was

1010
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:33,959
Speaker 1: on cassette. It wound up on Bruce Lamball's office, uh,

1011
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:36,960
Speaker 1: in his desk in his office and um, I remember

1012
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:40,200
Speaker 1: getting this this. Um there's no from him saying I

1013
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:43,040
Speaker 1: really really love your love your music. I want to

1014
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:46,359
Speaker 1: meet you. And that was the beginning. It was just

1015
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:49,399
Speaker 1: unbelievable how that all. Because the thing is, that's it's

1016
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:52,600
Speaker 1: funny if you if you have that dream from the

1017
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:56,120
Speaker 1: start and then it happens, it's got that feeling to it.

1018
00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:58,440
Speaker 1: But if you don't, if it's not part of your dream,

1019
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:02,480
Speaker 1: because it really wasn't. When it happens, it is like

1020
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:05,399
Speaker 1: it's just a head scratcher, like how did how did

1021
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:08,359
Speaker 1: I get here? And still to this day, so many

1022
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:11,960
Speaker 1: years later, Bob, I'm still saying the same thing, like

1023
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:15,520
Speaker 1: how did I get here? Why am I here? Like

1024
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:19,799
Speaker 1: there are people showing up to hear me play saxophones,

1025
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:23,000
Speaker 1: just like it's still and I don't mean to be

1026
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:26,920
Speaker 1: you know, if it's sounds if it's coming off sounding

1027
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:33,040
Speaker 1: uh not authentic. It really it's I understand what you're

1028
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:35,560
Speaker 1: saying it's you're You're not just you know, being humble

1029
00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:39,239
Speaker 1: for for appearances. Do you ever go to therapy to

1030
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:43,759
Speaker 1: discuss these issues. Not in therapy per se um. I

1031
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:46,279
Speaker 1: have used therapy in years past, but I have There's

1032
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:50,800
Speaker 1: some people that are in my life, teachers and and um,

1033
00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:54,840
Speaker 1: you know, spiritual people that I will talk to about

1034
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:57,520
Speaker 1: these kinds of things to put in perspective and to

1035
00:55:57,640 --> 00:56:02,160
Speaker 1: understand what's going on. Um. It's been been an interesting

1036
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:06,840
Speaker 1: thing because I just had This is a very timely

1037
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:10,040
Speaker 1: thing because I had back surgery about seven weeks ago

1038
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:14,560
Speaker 1: and now I'm starting on on this tour. We're on

1039
00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:17,680
Speaker 1: a Summer Horns tour this summer, and this is the

1040
00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:20,720
Speaker 1: first time ever where I've kind of in my whole

1041
00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:24,840
Speaker 1: life I really had to show up as being a

1042
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:28,319
Speaker 1: bit needy. And it's a very awkward feeling for me.

1043
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:31,600
Speaker 1: And so I'm staying on the because I can't really

1044
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:34,400
Speaker 1: do of what I want to do on stage at

1045
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:36,799
Speaker 1: this moment. I will come back to it eventually, but

1046
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:41,200
Speaker 1: I'm probably about fifty of the antics. It's interesting too,

1047
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:47,840
Speaker 1: because without having I can't actually do the physical things

1048
00:56:48,239 --> 00:56:51,319
Speaker 1: jumping around that I have done what people expect of me.

1049
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:54,160
Speaker 1: But it's forcing me to be to really focus more

1050
00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:56,560
Speaker 1: on the music side of things. And these shows we

1051
00:56:56,680 --> 00:57:00,360
Speaker 1: just started, so it's just now three shows in. I

1052
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:02,640
Speaker 1: could tell there's like a different texture to the music

1053
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:05,760
Speaker 1: this time. So it's kind of an interesting thing to embrace.

1054
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:09,760
Speaker 1: How long after you had pain, did you have surgery?

1055
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:12,640
Speaker 1: I've been dealing with the uh. I mean, this is

1056
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:16,960
Speaker 1: workplace stuff, so I've been because of my jumping around

1057
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:20,680
Speaker 1: for the almost thirty years, I've had a lot of

1058
00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:23,880
Speaker 1: back problems and it just had to be addressed. So

1059
00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:26,080
Speaker 1: but it was really bad pain for about the last

1060
00:57:26,120 --> 00:57:29,000
Speaker 1: two years. And what was the diagnosis. I mean it

1061
00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:35,640
Speaker 1: was the most uh, like harsh sciatica, so herniated discs

1062
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:38,280
Speaker 1: herniated disc. And then are you doing the physical therapy?

1063
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:41,919
Speaker 1: Haven't started physical therapy because it's not quite ready yet. Okay,

1064
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:44,520
Speaker 1: when it is ready, that's the most important thing. Let's

1065
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:47,840
Speaker 1: go back. When did you get that first manager? The

1066
00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:50,920
Speaker 1: first manager was the same. You can probably put two

1067
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:54,040
Speaker 1: and two together. One of my gigs right after Jeff

1068
00:57:54,120 --> 00:57:58,520
Speaker 1: Lorber was working with a guy named Richard Marks, and

1069
00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:03,880
Speaker 1: Richard Marks, the a songwriter and singer, UH was on

1070
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:09,280
Speaker 1: Manhattan Records, also signed by Bruce Lunn Ball and we

1071
00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:12,720
Speaker 1: shared a manager at the time, and our manager, my

1072
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:15,040
Speaker 1: manager and his manager said you should really go out

1073
00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:17,880
Speaker 1: and play uh this tour with Richard and he was

1074
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:22,200
Speaker 1: a brand new artist and playing music that was not jazz. Obviously,

1075
00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:25,280
Speaker 1: he was playing more rock. Had a monster hit though

1076
00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:27,840
Speaker 1: you Ain't Seen Nothing or whatever it was called. Yea

1077
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:34,640
Speaker 1: even play on it Haven't done Nothing good memory, but

1078
00:58:34,680 --> 00:58:36,520
Speaker 1: he had. I brought the record because the track was

1079
00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:39,280
Speaker 1: so good. He had a string of hits, right, but

1080
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:41,800
Speaker 1: that was the first one. Then he came more Mellow.

1081
00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:44,560
Speaker 1: That was a real rocket track. Yeah, I mean he

1082
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:46,600
Speaker 1: had had a bunch of hits up that first album.

1083
00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:49,160
Speaker 1: It was a really interesting thing to see because I

1084
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:51,680
Speaker 1: remember the first shows that we did. Do you remember

1085
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:55,560
Speaker 1: a club called Sash and it was in North Hollywood

1086
00:58:55,600 --> 00:58:58,959
Speaker 1: somewhere around there. That was his first gig, probably about

1087
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:01,000
Speaker 1: a hundred people and most you're not talking about that

1088
00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:05,520
Speaker 1: long low club north of Ventura in between Laurel Canyon

1089
00:59:05,560 --> 00:59:09,200
Speaker 1: and UH Universe. Oh yeah, I was there. Had I

1090
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:12,479
Speaker 1: had a process through from the eighties more than once.

1091
00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:17,000
Speaker 1: It was a dance club when it wasn't a live show. Right,

1092
00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:20,040
Speaker 1: that was his first show and there's probably a hundred

1093
00:59:20,080 --> 00:59:23,280
Speaker 1: people there. And on that same tour, that was the

1094
00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:26,520
Speaker 1: very first show. And on that same tour, which lasted

1095
00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:29,200
Speaker 1: almost um, about a year and a half, we were

1096
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:32,080
Speaker 1: playing to ten thou people at night. And so part

1097
00:59:32,120 --> 00:59:36,360
Speaker 1: of that unit of watching an artist go, seeing the

1098
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:39,640
Speaker 1: power of hit songs to propel an artist forward, it

1099
00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:43,160
Speaker 1: was an interesting thing to see. And UM, so that's

1100
00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:54,080
Speaker 1: how that's how that happened. So when did you switch managers? Um?

1101
00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:57,600
Speaker 1: It happened right around the time that my first record

1102
00:59:57,640 --> 00:59:59,959
Speaker 1: came out. And how did how did that happen? I'd

1103
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:01,800
Speaker 1: you decided to break it off? I decided to get

1104
01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:06,480
Speaker 1: a new person. Well, UM, okay, I can tell this story.

1105
01:00:06,680 --> 01:00:08,960
Speaker 1: I mean this is a podcast, right, can you can

1106
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:13,880
Speaker 1: I tell this story? Richard? Um? And Richard and I

1107
01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:18,080
Speaker 1: are great now. But um, at the time, UM, he

1108
01:00:18,360 --> 01:00:22,360
Speaker 1: when I didn't want to, Um, I didn't want to

1109
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:26,280
Speaker 1: play in his band anymore. I wanted to focus on

1110
01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:29,640
Speaker 1: my solo stuff. He didn't really love that idea so much.

1111
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:32,200
Speaker 1: And then UM, he made it kind of very clear

1112
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:35,160
Speaker 1: to his manager, was my manager, that this was not appropriate.

1113
01:00:35,320 --> 01:00:38,480
Speaker 1: And so the manager said to me, I'm sorry, I

1114
01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:41,680
Speaker 1: can't manage you anymore. But I got this other person

1115
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:44,960
Speaker 1: and it turned At the time I was devastated, it

1116
01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:48,000
Speaker 1: turned out to be the great thing. And so this

1117
01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:51,120
Speaker 1: woman who her name was Shelley Hebrew and she's out

1118
01:00:51,160 --> 01:00:54,840
Speaker 1: of the business now, but Shelley for seven years was

1119
01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:57,880
Speaker 1: my manager and she was great. You know, she really

1120
01:00:57,960 --> 01:01:01,840
Speaker 1: knew what to do and she and then that relationship

1121
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:06,440
Speaker 1: sort of came to an end. And then uh, in

1122
01:01:06,520 --> 01:01:09,320
Speaker 1: the late nineties, I started working with Bill Leopold and

1123
01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:12,520
Speaker 1: Mark Graham, who have been my managers for all these

1124
01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:17,960
Speaker 1: twenty years, and we've developed an incredible relationship and and

1125
01:01:18,200 --> 01:01:20,400
Speaker 1: they've helped me. I can't even tell you how much

1126
01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:22,800
Speaker 1: they've helped me. So it's kind of a it takes

1127
01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:27,760
Speaker 1: a village, Okay, So ultimately you have a hit, right

1128
01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:31,960
Speaker 1: I do. So that was when their first or second album,

1129
01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:36,000
Speaker 1: well the first album was that came out on Capitol.

1130
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:40,360
Speaker 1: I remember because the there was Bruce Lemon was so

1131
01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:43,320
Speaker 1: upset at the sales department for not taking it seriously.

1132
01:01:43,360 --> 01:01:45,760
Speaker 1: He was trying to make this a real priority, and

1133
01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:48,720
Speaker 1: the sales department said, well, it's a saxophone player. What

1134
01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:55,080
Speaker 1: we don't have to. How do you remember? Amazing? Okay,

1135
01:01:55,160 --> 01:01:58,840
Speaker 1: keep going so uh. I think at the they put

1136
01:01:59,120 --> 01:02:01,680
Speaker 1: something like eleventh thousand units out for the first week,

1137
01:02:01,720 --> 01:02:05,640
Speaker 1: which back then was a very low number, and um,

1138
01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:09,640
Speaker 1: but then it's it just started to sell. My record

1139
01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:13,720
Speaker 1: came out at the same time in the fall when

1140
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:17,520
Speaker 1: there was an explosion of radio in the smooth jazz world,

1141
01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:20,960
Speaker 1: Like there were radio stations popping up in every city

1142
01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:23,880
Speaker 1: smooth jazz radio stations, and it just sort of like

1143
01:02:24,040 --> 01:02:26,960
Speaker 1: was sort of dovetailed at the same time that this

1144
01:02:27,360 --> 01:02:30,480
Speaker 1: radio format was burgeoning, and the music just fit right

1145
01:02:30,520 --> 01:02:32,920
Speaker 1: in and I started doing a lot of promotions with

1146
01:02:32,960 --> 01:02:37,000
Speaker 1: the radio stations and it just worked. And that first album,

1147
01:02:37,120 --> 01:02:41,600
Speaker 1: um became I think it's sold probably four thousand. It

1148
01:02:41,720 --> 01:02:45,600
Speaker 1: ended up selling something like four thousand, surprising everybody at Capital.

1149
01:02:46,120 --> 01:02:48,840
Speaker 1: And then my next record, which came out about three

1150
01:02:48,920 --> 01:02:52,120
Speaker 1: years later, put a lot of resources into it. It's

1151
01:02:52,160 --> 01:02:54,840
Speaker 1: called was called Lucky Man, and I think that's the

1152
01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:56,800
Speaker 1: song that you're talking about, A song called You Make

1153
01:02:56,840 --> 01:03:01,120
Speaker 1: Me Smile. It came out that really became not a

1154
01:03:01,200 --> 01:03:04,840
Speaker 1: real pop hit, but pretty close. I mean, for an

1155
01:03:04,840 --> 01:03:09,880
Speaker 1: instrumental came pretty close getting into the business side. You

1156
01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:13,320
Speaker 1: sold four hundred thousand records. Do you get a royalty check?

1157
01:03:14,760 --> 01:03:17,240
Speaker 1: After the second album? You get a royalty check. I've

1158
01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:22,000
Speaker 1: never received a royalty check. That's definitive. That's what I

1159
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:24,280
Speaker 1: wanted to know. Okay, so you have a hit off

1160
01:03:24,320 --> 01:03:28,920
Speaker 1: the second album kind of walked me through when's when's

1161
01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:31,640
Speaker 1: the third album come out? The third album came out

1162
01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:38,920
Speaker 1: in six and that was my um Like all artists,

1163
01:03:39,120 --> 01:03:41,920
Speaker 1: most artists, I should say where they say, I've got

1164
01:03:41,960 --> 01:03:46,360
Speaker 1: another idea, and it was coming off a huge success.

1165
01:03:46,640 --> 01:03:49,440
Speaker 1: That second album went gold. I think it's sold maybe

1166
01:03:50,040 --> 01:03:55,520
Speaker 1: close to seven thousand. Can you imagine seven thousand copies

1167
01:03:55,560 --> 01:03:59,200
Speaker 1: of a SOX player's albums Cheez So? And then I

1168
01:03:59,240 --> 01:04:01,040
Speaker 1: came up with this ideas like, I don't want to

1169
01:04:01,040 --> 01:04:04,480
Speaker 1: be boxed in by by um foreman, I don't want

1170
01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:06,840
Speaker 1: to be boxed in by the sound. I have this idea.

1171
01:04:07,280 --> 01:04:09,080
Speaker 1: I went up. I had this place up in northern

1172
01:04:09,160 --> 01:04:12,720
Speaker 1: California and Saucelito. I came up with this, this idea

1173
01:04:12,800 --> 01:04:16,200
Speaker 1: to combine the saxophone with instruments that you would normally

1174
01:04:16,240 --> 01:04:21,760
Speaker 1: not hear it, with mandolin and melotron and oregon and uh,

1175
01:04:22,120 --> 01:04:26,400
Speaker 1: steel string guitar and um, you know, I came up

1176
01:04:26,400 --> 01:04:30,000
Speaker 1: with this album called alf the Beaten Path, and it

1177
01:04:30,080 --> 01:04:34,720
Speaker 1: was the biggest dud ever. It came out with a thump,

1178
01:04:35,240 --> 01:04:41,280
Speaker 1: and I think it's still sold probably, you know, but

1179
01:04:41,320 --> 01:04:43,560
Speaker 1: it was not going to the right direction now and

1180
01:04:43,600 --> 01:04:47,160
Speaker 1: it was a huge disappointment, and I was crushed because

1181
01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:49,560
Speaker 1: I really put a lot of myself in retrospect. Do

1182
01:04:49,640 --> 01:04:53,200
Speaker 1: you still like it? I do, actually, And there are

1183
01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:56,400
Speaker 1: some fans. There's a group of fans that will still

1184
01:04:56,440 --> 01:04:59,960
Speaker 1: say that that is to them, that is their favorite

1185
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:02,600
Speaker 1: album because it was very, very different. It was took

1186
01:05:02,640 --> 01:05:06,240
Speaker 1: a lot of chances. But because of that experience, uh,

1187
01:05:06,320 --> 01:05:08,720
Speaker 1: and I look at album making is sort of like

1188
01:05:08,760 --> 01:05:12,360
Speaker 1: stepping stones. I couldn't have made the next album, which

1189
01:05:12,440 --> 01:05:15,160
Speaker 1: was ended up being my most successful one, called The Dance.

1190
01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:19,000
Speaker 1: I couldn't have made The Dance had I not made

1191
01:05:19,080 --> 01:05:23,320
Speaker 1: Off the Beaten Path and and gone through that experience

1192
01:05:23,440 --> 01:05:26,040
Speaker 1: to make an album like The Dance, which was really

1193
01:05:26,160 --> 01:05:30,919
Speaker 1: like a return to the sound that that made me popular. Well,

1194
01:05:30,920 --> 01:05:34,080
Speaker 1: how self conscious were you when you before you made

1195
01:05:34,080 --> 01:05:40,440
Speaker 1: The Dance that I have to use this particular line. Um,

1196
01:05:40,520 --> 01:05:43,640
Speaker 1: it was not like somebody saying there was never any

1197
01:05:43,960 --> 01:05:48,080
Speaker 1: pressure from record company person or because I look at

1198
01:05:48,080 --> 01:05:52,520
Speaker 1: it my situation as a recording artist. Over the years

1199
01:05:52,600 --> 01:05:54,560
Speaker 1: that I've been doing this and I've had I've gotten

1200
01:05:54,560 --> 01:05:57,440
Speaker 1: a chance to work with people who are great that

1201
01:05:57,640 --> 01:06:01,200
Speaker 1: never stuffed things down my throat. If they made suggestions,

1202
01:06:01,200 --> 01:06:03,560
Speaker 1: they were suggestions, they were not you have to do this.

1203
01:06:04,640 --> 01:06:09,800
Speaker 1: And usually the advice and the people who came to

1204
01:06:10,800 --> 01:06:13,960
Speaker 1: came to me with with things to say, their advice

1205
01:06:14,040 --> 01:06:16,440
Speaker 1: was good and I would often listen to them and

1206
01:06:16,480 --> 01:06:18,400
Speaker 1: they would be right, you know. So it's it was

1207
01:06:18,480 --> 01:06:21,520
Speaker 1: kind of a collaborative process. Now, what point do you

1208
01:06:21,560 --> 01:06:29,200
Speaker 1: become a dj uh? That happened kind of probably around

1209
01:06:30,800 --> 01:06:34,880
Speaker 1: maybe in the mid nineties. How did that gig come about?

1210
01:06:35,040 --> 01:06:38,080
Speaker 1: We had the Wave which was like the first smooth

1211
01:06:38,160 --> 01:06:41,840
Speaker 1: jazz UH station of any note in America. They played

1212
01:06:41,840 --> 01:06:44,840
Speaker 1: your music. How did you end up becoming a DJ Well,

1213
01:06:44,840 --> 01:06:49,280
Speaker 1: it was a syndicated show first where this this Fellows

1214
01:06:49,600 --> 01:06:52,360
Speaker 1: program director came to me. He got a gig doing

1215
01:06:52,400 --> 01:06:56,120
Speaker 1: a network um show and he said, we wanted to

1216
01:06:56,200 --> 01:07:00,800
Speaker 1: our Our idea is to have recording artists most weekend

1217
01:07:00,840 --> 01:07:03,320
Speaker 1: shows on the radio, and we think that you could

1218
01:07:03,320 --> 01:07:05,920
Speaker 1: be you could have your own show. And I was like,

1219
01:07:06,760 --> 01:07:12,080
Speaker 1: really no experience whatsoever. And I remember those first demos

1220
01:07:12,200 --> 01:07:16,640
Speaker 1: of going into the studio and putting it together and

1221
01:07:16,680 --> 01:07:20,040
Speaker 1: I put on my radio voice and stop, stop it.

1222
01:07:20,880 --> 01:07:23,120
Speaker 1: Don't do that anymore. Just be yourself. There was a

1223
01:07:23,160 --> 01:07:25,880
Speaker 1: really good lesson to learn, and I started doing that

1224
01:07:26,040 --> 01:07:29,880
Speaker 1: in the early days. That was in How many stations

1225
01:07:29,880 --> 01:07:32,720
Speaker 1: did it ultimately get to we had on our syndicated

1226
01:07:32,760 --> 01:07:37,320
Speaker 1: show in the United States at the time we were

1227
01:07:37,480 --> 01:07:41,760
Speaker 1: the biggest was probably well over a hundred significant number,

1228
01:07:41,880 --> 01:07:43,640
Speaker 1: well over a hundred, and then there was the international

1229
01:07:43,680 --> 01:07:46,680
Speaker 1: side of things, and the show was how long. There's

1230
01:07:46,720 --> 01:07:49,120
Speaker 1: a two hour weekends show called The Dave CAUs Radio Show,

1231
01:07:49,120 --> 01:07:53,120
Speaker 1: which by the way, is still on the radio twenty over,

1232
01:07:53,160 --> 01:07:56,240
Speaker 1: twenty five years later. It's uninterrupted on the radio for

1233
01:07:56,280 --> 01:08:00,760
Speaker 1: twenty five years. Okay, you're making new shows. Yeah, so

1234
01:08:01,440 --> 01:08:03,800
Speaker 1: you make a new show. Yeah, I'm sure you string

1235
01:08:03,880 --> 01:08:06,400
Speaker 1: them together, you do like three in a day, fortnity.

1236
01:08:06,560 --> 01:08:09,840
Speaker 1: And how often you have guests? We do guests every show.

1237
01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:12,000
Speaker 1: We have one featured artist every show. We have some

1238
01:08:12,080 --> 01:08:15,280
Speaker 1: other drops that we use with other artists. Okay, and

1239
01:08:15,320 --> 01:08:18,200
Speaker 1: then how do you get on the wave? The wave

1240
01:08:18,320 --> 01:08:22,719
Speaker 1: happened later on down the road where the program director,

1241
01:08:22,720 --> 01:08:25,200
Speaker 1: who's the same guy by the way that uh that

1242
01:08:25,280 --> 01:08:30,200
Speaker 1: I started the weekend show with, he said, UM, would

1243
01:08:30,200 --> 01:08:32,840
Speaker 1: you ever be interested in doing this in the morning,

1244
01:08:33,439 --> 01:08:36,360
Speaker 1: and we're thinking about doing an artist driven morning show.

1245
01:08:37,120 --> 01:08:39,719
Speaker 1: And so that's when Pat Prescott from New York, who's

1246
01:08:40,840 --> 01:08:44,040
Speaker 1: radio legend, she came out. She's one of my great friends.

1247
01:08:44,080 --> 01:08:45,479
Speaker 1: I went to New York and I said, if I'm

1248
01:08:45,479 --> 01:08:47,240
Speaker 1: going to do this, you have to do this with me,

1249
01:08:47,280 --> 01:08:49,680
Speaker 1: because I cannot do this alone. And we did that

1250
01:08:49,720 --> 01:08:53,320
Speaker 1: for six years on the radio every morning and uh,

1251
01:08:53,360 --> 01:08:55,920
Speaker 1: which for a musician is quite the feat. And I

1252
01:08:56,000 --> 01:08:58,000
Speaker 1: knew that I wouldn't be something that I would do forever,

1253
01:08:58,240 --> 01:09:01,640
Speaker 1: but I really enjoyed doing that for six years. And

1254
01:09:01,680 --> 01:09:04,479
Speaker 1: then we morphed into an afternoon syndicated show that was

1255
01:09:04,600 --> 01:09:07,959
Speaker 1: on a bunch of smooth jazz stations through a network

1256
01:09:08,080 --> 01:09:11,040
Speaker 1: for I think I did that for about maybe another

1257
01:09:11,120 --> 01:09:14,439
Speaker 1: three or four years, and then the smooth jazz as

1258
01:09:14,439 --> 01:09:17,200
Speaker 1: a format kind of started to really wane. A lot

1259
01:09:17,200 --> 01:09:21,559
Speaker 1: of these stations flip formats, and UM, about three years

1260
01:09:21,560 --> 01:09:25,559
Speaker 1: ago I started working with my friend Trinity Cologne at

1261
01:09:25,800 --> 01:09:28,719
Speaker 1: Sirius XM, and we developed something called the Dave Case

1262
01:09:28,760 --> 01:09:31,559
Speaker 1: Lounge that you can now hear on Sirius XM on

1263
01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:34,439
Speaker 1: the weekends and you can only hear that one is

1264
01:09:34,439 --> 01:09:39,360
Speaker 1: only okay, So, uh, how to what degreeed being on

1265
01:09:39,439 --> 01:09:43,120
Speaker 1: the radio every morning? We havoc with your musical career?

1266
01:09:44,160 --> 01:09:47,800
Speaker 1: It was not easy. Those those years were like trying

1267
01:09:47,840 --> 01:09:50,679
Speaker 1: to it was it was time well for the age

1268
01:09:50,720 --> 01:09:52,479
Speaker 1: that I was at. Because I was on the road.

1269
01:09:53,000 --> 01:09:55,160
Speaker 1: We had this apparatus that I would take with me

1270
01:09:55,280 --> 01:09:59,000
Speaker 1: that I could connect back into UH to Los Angeles.

1271
01:09:59,040 --> 01:10:04,160
Speaker 1: It was really quite technologically impressive, especially for me who

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01:10:04,240 --> 01:10:06,679
Speaker 1: was an analog man in a in a digital world.

1273
01:10:07,080 --> 01:10:09,400
Speaker 1: But it really it was a very nice thing. And

1274
01:10:09,439 --> 01:10:13,240
Speaker 1: they the station and the producers really went above and

1275
01:10:13,240 --> 01:10:16,880
Speaker 1: beyond to make it work. And admittedly we did record

1276
01:10:17,520 --> 01:10:20,280
Speaker 1: some shows, not all shows, but some shows were recorded

1277
01:10:20,320 --> 01:10:23,640
Speaker 1: in advance UH and played the morning of when I

1278
01:10:23,680 --> 01:10:26,080
Speaker 1: couldn't actually be there. And it was how many hours?

1279
01:10:26,400 --> 01:10:29,559
Speaker 1: That was three hours? That's a lot of hours. So

1280
01:10:30,240 --> 01:10:32,479
Speaker 1: when you were on the wave, it was only heard

1281
01:10:32,520 --> 01:10:37,240
Speaker 1: on the wave. Yeah, that was was it lucrative? Very

1282
01:10:37,640 --> 01:10:41,200
Speaker 1: and did it pay dividends for your career. I think

1283
01:10:41,240 --> 01:10:44,200
Speaker 1: it did in that it was the first sort of

1284
01:10:46,520 --> 01:10:49,080
Speaker 1: lately now i've kind of I'm sort of looked at

1285
01:10:49,160 --> 01:10:54,240
Speaker 1: as somewhat of a host of bringing people together, uh collaborator,

1286
01:10:54,360 --> 01:10:59,120
Speaker 1: you know, or bringing artists together under a canopy. And

1287
01:10:59,160 --> 01:11:01,719
Speaker 1: that was kind of like the beginning of of that

1288
01:11:02,280 --> 01:11:04,840
Speaker 1: uh stage of my life where I got a chance

1289
01:11:04,920 --> 01:11:06,880
Speaker 1: to really interview a lot of artists and be a

1290
01:11:06,960 --> 01:11:09,800
Speaker 1: cheerleader for other artists. And that's something that I that

1291
01:11:09,880 --> 01:11:12,120
Speaker 1: comes very natural to me and something I love to

1292
01:11:12,160 --> 01:11:15,519
Speaker 1: do because I think especially when you talk about jazz

1293
01:11:15,600 --> 01:11:20,320
Speaker 1: music or instrumental music, which is a niche, it's sort

1294
01:11:20,320 --> 01:11:22,080
Speaker 1: of off to the side, but I think it's an

1295
01:11:22,120 --> 01:11:26,080
Speaker 1: important thing, you know, even for people who have taste

1296
01:11:26,080 --> 01:11:28,759
Speaker 1: in music that are completely different, that there's a time

1297
01:11:28,760 --> 01:11:32,439
Speaker 1: and a place for instrumental music for every music lover, uh,

1298
01:11:32,680 --> 01:11:35,280
Speaker 1: no matter what it is that they love most. And

1299
01:11:35,320 --> 01:11:38,040
Speaker 1: so I just love being a cheerleader, being able to

1300
01:11:38,080 --> 01:11:42,040
Speaker 1: stand up and and and and share this great music

1301
01:11:42,080 --> 01:11:44,160
Speaker 1: and the artists that are making it. And I think

1302
01:11:44,200 --> 01:11:47,280
Speaker 1: also what happened I've seen it a lot too, where

1303
01:11:47,680 --> 01:11:51,400
Speaker 1: if artists come on the show, if I'm talking to them,

1304
01:11:51,439 --> 01:11:56,240
Speaker 1: that there's a intimacy of an artist talking to another artist,

1305
01:11:56,600 --> 01:12:00,799
Speaker 1: that the communication can can be have a different texture.

1306
01:12:01,439 --> 01:12:03,559
Speaker 1: There was one time that where it was so apparent

1307
01:12:03,600 --> 01:12:06,559
Speaker 1: where I was interviewing. Because of our schedules, a lot

1308
01:12:06,560 --> 01:12:08,920
Speaker 1: of the interviews have to be on the phone. So

1309
01:12:09,000 --> 01:12:11,960
Speaker 1: I was interviewing George Benson on the phone and George

1310
01:12:12,000 --> 01:12:13,840
Speaker 1: was just I guess it was one of the one

1311
01:12:13,880 --> 01:12:16,720
Speaker 1: interview of a bunch for the whole day, and he

1312
01:12:16,760 --> 01:12:18,960
Speaker 1: was just giving me these one two word answers, and

1313
01:12:19,000 --> 01:12:21,240
Speaker 1: I was like, what am I gonna do to connect

1314
01:12:21,280 --> 01:12:23,880
Speaker 1: with this guy? It's just not happening. And so finally

1315
01:12:23,960 --> 01:12:26,479
Speaker 1: I said, George, oh no, he said, He said, is

1316
01:12:26,520 --> 01:12:29,000
Speaker 1: this the Dave cause that plays the Sacks Dave Come.

1317
01:12:30,280 --> 01:12:33,280
Speaker 1: I said, George, it's me. You know, we're friends, shared

1318
01:12:33,320 --> 01:12:35,799
Speaker 1: the stage together. I have a show, you know. And

1319
01:12:35,840 --> 01:12:40,160
Speaker 1: then I could not get the guy shut up. It's like,

1320
01:12:40,360 --> 01:12:42,920
Speaker 1: oh my god. But it was a great illustration of

1321
01:12:42,960 --> 01:12:46,639
Speaker 1: what can happen when when artists are talking to other

1322
01:12:46,800 --> 01:12:51,240
Speaker 1: artists and feel that, you know, I mean, it's like,

1323
01:12:51,479 --> 01:12:54,000
Speaker 1: I know you're not a musician, but I feel so

1324
01:12:54,040 --> 01:12:57,800
Speaker 1: comfortable talking to you because I know that you love it.

1325
01:12:58,120 --> 01:13:00,640
Speaker 1: You love it and you understand it and you're inside

1326
01:13:00,680 --> 01:13:03,680
Speaker 1: of it. And so much of us artists, we we

1327
01:13:03,760 --> 01:13:06,920
Speaker 1: talked to people who just are not there. They're just

1328
01:13:06,960 --> 01:13:10,599
Speaker 1: answers or asking the questions that are on the piece

1329
01:13:10,640 --> 01:13:13,880
Speaker 1: of paper, and you feel it and you just don't know.

1330
01:13:14,120 --> 01:13:17,439
Speaker 1: It's not it's you don't want to open up. But

1331
01:13:17,520 --> 01:13:19,000
Speaker 1: when you feel somebody on the other end of the

1332
01:13:19,040 --> 01:13:22,360
Speaker 1: microphone that really is empathetic, that understands it, really gets

1333
01:13:22,439 --> 01:13:26,400
Speaker 1: inside of it, you want to talk forever. Okay, so

1334
01:13:26,479 --> 01:13:32,559
Speaker 1: the dances, Yes, when's the next album? The next album

1335
01:13:33,680 --> 01:13:39,519
Speaker 1: was uh something called uh I think now I'm losing

1336
01:13:39,560 --> 01:13:43,720
Speaker 1: track of number four. The reason I really ask I

1337
01:13:43,720 --> 01:13:46,280
Speaker 1: don't need the specifics is starting in the turn of

1338
01:13:46,320 --> 01:13:49,439
Speaker 1: the century, the whole music business goes with change as

1339
01:13:49,439 --> 01:13:53,519
Speaker 1: a result of napster, digitization, the Internet. Do you feel

1340
01:13:53,560 --> 01:13:58,519
Speaker 1: that on your end? Well, I did, eventually I made.

1341
01:13:58,560 --> 01:14:04,040
Speaker 1: I spent twenty years in Capital um seven presidents or

1342
01:14:04,080 --> 01:14:07,559
Speaker 1: not and um, I don't know if that's a Guinness

1343
01:14:07,560 --> 01:14:11,960
Speaker 1: Book of World Records feat But to survive, to actually

1344
01:14:11,960 --> 01:14:15,919
Speaker 1: survive as an artist on a label with seven different presidents,

1345
01:14:15,960 --> 01:14:18,360
Speaker 1: if they're not vested in you. It's very hard if

1346
01:14:18,360 --> 01:14:21,400
Speaker 1: they didn't sign you. I had a I had this

1347
01:14:21,560 --> 01:14:23,639
Speaker 1: like m O where I would just keep my head down.

1348
01:14:23,840 --> 01:14:26,880
Speaker 1: I would not really, you know, try and be noticed

1349
01:14:26,920 --> 01:14:30,800
Speaker 1: that much. Just turn in my records. They would release them,

1350
01:14:31,000 --> 01:14:33,720
Speaker 1: they would be they do fine. And that's how we

1351
01:14:33,720 --> 01:14:36,120
Speaker 1: made it happen. But eventually my contract, believe it or not,

1352
01:14:36,600 --> 01:14:41,000
Speaker 1: my contract actually expired after twenty years. It was renewed

1353
01:14:41,040 --> 01:14:44,040
Speaker 1: a couple of times and then it was done. And

1354
01:14:44,080 --> 01:14:47,519
Speaker 1: it was like, yeah, your contract is done. And they

1355
01:14:47,560 --> 01:14:49,120
Speaker 1: didn't renew it. And I didn't think that they would

1356
01:14:49,160 --> 01:14:52,800
Speaker 1: dream new it. And so that's when I think. I

1357
01:14:52,880 --> 01:14:55,160
Speaker 1: can't remember what year it was, but it was in

1358
01:14:55,200 --> 01:14:58,320
Speaker 1: the early two thousand's that I went over to to Concord,

1359
01:14:58,680 --> 01:15:03,480
Speaker 1: and um it was Hal Gaba and Norman Leard that

1360
01:15:03,479 --> 01:15:07,040
Speaker 1: that made it a very very comfortable home for me.

1361
01:15:07,120 --> 01:15:08,880
Speaker 1: And I got to work with my buddy John Burke

1362
01:15:09,040 --> 01:15:11,920
Speaker 1: on a bunch of albums, and um, that was a

1363
01:15:11,960 --> 01:15:15,360
Speaker 1: great relationship and still is. I don't I release some

1364
01:15:15,360 --> 01:15:17,559
Speaker 1: stuff on my own and if I want to, I

1365
01:15:17,600 --> 01:15:21,120
Speaker 1: think that the opportunity is there now. If I wanted

1366
01:15:21,120 --> 01:15:23,040
Speaker 1: to release an album on concorde. I think that the

1367
01:15:23,160 --> 01:15:26,519
Speaker 1: doors always open um. But to what degree is your

1368
01:15:26,520 --> 01:15:32,920
Speaker 1: career presently driven by recorded music? Interesting? I've gone through,

1369
01:15:33,120 --> 01:15:37,120
Speaker 1: admittedly kind of a bad attitude about recorded music over

1370
01:15:37,160 --> 01:15:40,759
Speaker 1: the last say, seven or eight years, because of the

1371
01:15:40,800 --> 01:15:45,080
Speaker 1: reasons you're talking about. You pour over these things, these

1372
01:15:45,080 --> 01:15:48,960
Speaker 1: are like children, these songs, and you spend the time

1373
01:15:49,000 --> 01:15:51,920
Speaker 1: and spend the money, and then there's no radio stations

1374
01:15:51,960 --> 01:15:54,080
Speaker 1: to play it, and then there's no record company or

1375
01:15:54,080 --> 01:15:58,320
Speaker 1: no record stores. And you know, what's the purpose? Why?

1376
01:15:58,800 --> 01:16:01,479
Speaker 1: I remember that only the beginning of my career, it

1377
01:16:01,600 --> 01:16:05,040
Speaker 1: was you you make a record, you go out on

1378
01:16:05,120 --> 01:16:07,800
Speaker 1: tour to support the record. The record is it? That's

1379
01:16:07,840 --> 01:16:10,599
Speaker 1: what you're doing? You know, it's all to sell the record.

1380
01:16:11,040 --> 01:16:13,559
Speaker 1: And now I mean I've gone through the last several

1381
01:16:13,680 --> 01:16:17,760
Speaker 1: years where I've made recordings to promote tours, right, just

1382
01:16:17,840 --> 01:16:22,479
Speaker 1: the reverse. Okay, So at this point from your perspective, interesting,

1383
01:16:22,479 --> 01:16:24,519
Speaker 1: because I certainly can see it on my level, used

1384
01:16:24,560 --> 01:16:28,240
Speaker 1: to be a cohesive business. Now really everybody is just

1385
01:16:28,280 --> 01:16:31,120
Speaker 1: their own business. Do you view it that way? I'm

1386
01:16:31,160 --> 01:16:34,200
Speaker 1: just in the Dave Cose business, and forget the numbers,

1387
01:16:34,280 --> 01:16:36,559
Speaker 1: the charts, etcetera. If it's working for me and it's

1388
01:16:36,560 --> 01:16:39,200
Speaker 1: what I want to do. I'm satisfied. Well, I think

1389
01:16:39,280 --> 01:16:42,880
Speaker 1: that that streaming has revolutionized and I don't need to

1390
01:16:42,920 --> 01:16:45,599
Speaker 1: tell you it's given a tremendous shot in the arm

1391
01:16:45,640 --> 01:16:48,679
Speaker 1: to our business. And I'm a fan like I think

1392
01:16:48,680 --> 01:16:53,479
Speaker 1: that Spotify is amazing where you can some song or

1393
01:16:53,560 --> 01:16:56,080
Speaker 1: artist hits your head and two seconds later you can

1394
01:16:56,120 --> 01:16:59,519
Speaker 1: be listening to that music right there. It's amazing. What

1395
01:16:59,720 --> 01:17:03,040
Speaker 1: that's what's what's possible nowadays. And I do think that

1396
01:17:03,080 --> 01:17:09,920
Speaker 1: it's it's forced us. The the technological um uh achievements

1397
01:17:09,960 --> 01:17:13,920
Speaker 1: of recently that have happened recently have forced musicians and

1398
01:17:14,040 --> 01:17:17,240
Speaker 1: artists to be to wear more hats. Like it used

1399
01:17:17,280 --> 01:17:19,120
Speaker 1: to be where you could just be an artist and

1400
01:17:19,160 --> 01:17:20,800
Speaker 1: where that hat, you'd have the manager, you'd have the

1401
01:17:20,840 --> 01:17:23,360
Speaker 1: record company, you'd have the promotion people blah blah blah,

1402
01:17:23,439 --> 01:17:25,240
Speaker 1: and you could have the team of people that do

1403
01:17:25,280 --> 01:17:27,400
Speaker 1: all that work for you. But now most of the

1404
01:17:27,400 --> 01:17:30,720
Speaker 1: people that are in my world do it all themselves,

1405
01:17:31,200 --> 01:17:33,960
Speaker 1: you know. And I still have management, um but I

1406
01:17:34,439 --> 01:17:37,000
Speaker 1: now I'm starting to release to self release. We just

1407
01:17:37,200 --> 01:17:40,479
Speaker 1: came out with a live album from our cruise that

1408
01:17:40,560 --> 01:17:43,639
Speaker 1: we put out by ourselves because we can. It's so easy,

1409
01:17:43,760 --> 01:17:46,880
Speaker 1: you know, flick of a switch. It's available everywhere. And

1410
01:17:46,960 --> 01:17:51,200
Speaker 1: I think that now you whereas it used to be

1411
01:17:52,400 --> 01:17:55,120
Speaker 1: in the beginning of my career where we would try

1412
01:17:55,200 --> 01:17:58,760
Speaker 1: and hit big home runs or get as much you know,

1413
01:17:58,880 --> 01:18:01,280
Speaker 1: throw things out there and try and get as money

1414
01:18:01,360 --> 01:18:05,000
Speaker 1: many people as possible, now I look at it being

1415
01:18:05,680 --> 01:18:08,720
Speaker 1: more of a Instead of a horizontal picture, it's more

1416
01:18:08,720 --> 01:18:11,720
Speaker 1: of a vertical picture. So it's a small audience or

1417
01:18:11,760 --> 01:18:16,000
Speaker 1: smaller audience. Let's just say there's I'm gonna be super

1418
01:18:16,000 --> 01:18:20,479
Speaker 1: conservative and say say there's fifty thousand people on planet

1419
01:18:20,479 --> 01:18:23,200
Speaker 1: Earth that are really super interested in what I have

1420
01:18:23,320 --> 01:18:26,320
Speaker 1: to do or what I have to say, and so

1421
01:18:26,439 --> 01:18:30,519
Speaker 1: we we we really target those fifty thou people, and

1422
01:18:30,560 --> 01:18:33,920
Speaker 1: how can we capture them and keep them engaged with

1423
01:18:34,040 --> 01:18:38,560
Speaker 1: a variety of different things. On one level, there's the

1424
01:18:38,560 --> 01:18:41,160
Speaker 1: there might be an album that comes out, okay, On

1425
01:18:41,240 --> 01:18:43,960
Speaker 1: the very top level, there's a cruise. So if you're

1426
01:18:43,960 --> 01:18:47,000
Speaker 1: really a fan and you want to have that immersive experience,

1427
01:18:47,040 --> 01:18:49,080
Speaker 1: you're gonna come on the day of cons That's exactly

1428
01:18:49,080 --> 01:18:52,160
Speaker 1: where I was going. So when was the first cruise? Uh?

1429
01:18:52,160 --> 01:18:55,320
Speaker 1: It happened almost about fifteen years ago, and I did

1430
01:18:55,439 --> 01:18:59,720
Speaker 1: five for UH another producer and learned the business. And

1431
01:18:59,720 --> 01:19:02,479
Speaker 1: then after five years of of doing that, then we

1432
01:19:02,560 --> 01:19:07,000
Speaker 1: took it in house. And we've now produced about ten

1433
01:19:07,080 --> 01:19:09,519
Speaker 1: years of cruises on our own. And has it always

1434
01:19:09,520 --> 01:19:11,839
Speaker 1: been the whole ship or part of a ship, always

1435
01:19:11,840 --> 01:19:16,320
Speaker 1: a full ship charter and always seven days seven days? Okay,

1436
01:19:16,360 --> 01:19:19,320
Speaker 1: So how did you how did you first? How did

1437
01:19:19,400 --> 01:19:21,960
Speaker 1: the first one start? The producer came to you. The

1438
01:19:22,040 --> 01:19:24,920
Speaker 1: producer came to me as a guy named Michael Lazarov

1439
01:19:25,320 --> 01:19:27,840
Speaker 1: and who had done a UH. He had a company

1440
01:19:27,840 --> 01:19:30,439
Speaker 1: called Jazz Cruises, and he thought that there should be

1441
01:19:30,439 --> 01:19:33,400
Speaker 1: a Dave Coss cruise and he went to my managers

1442
01:19:33,439 --> 01:19:37,000
Speaker 1: and said, you know, and and my managers came to

1443
01:19:37,040 --> 01:19:39,160
Speaker 1: me with the offer. And I saw the word cruise

1444
01:19:39,200 --> 01:19:42,479
Speaker 1: and I said thank you no, because immediately I thought

1445
01:19:42,479 --> 01:19:44,240
Speaker 1: about the cruise that my family and I took to

1446
01:19:44,439 --> 01:19:47,519
Speaker 1: in Sonata, and I hear it that was the worst

1447
01:19:47,560 --> 01:19:49,439
Speaker 1: thing ever. I was like, I don't want to be

1448
01:19:49,439 --> 01:19:51,760
Speaker 1: at a cruise ship, no way. And then he kept

1449
01:19:51,760 --> 01:19:54,840
Speaker 1: coming back and eventually came back with an offer that

1450
01:19:55,800 --> 01:19:59,040
Speaker 1: could not say no too. So that was my first experience,

1451
01:19:59,080 --> 01:20:02,160
Speaker 1: and then I saw what could happen. And I'm gonna

1452
01:20:02,160 --> 01:20:08,679
Speaker 1: say this, Uh that now within our world, with how

1453
01:20:08,760 --> 01:20:12,599
Speaker 1: much negativity and how much the public discourses so so

1454
01:20:13,040 --> 01:20:17,759
Speaker 1: kind of filled with vitriol, that these cruises have become

1455
01:20:18,800 --> 01:20:22,280
Speaker 1: havens for people that just want to for one week.

1456
01:20:22,320 --> 01:20:24,160
Speaker 1: And I know that people get off the ship and

1457
01:20:24,200 --> 01:20:26,200
Speaker 1: they go back to their regular lives and you know,

1458
01:20:26,280 --> 01:20:29,120
Speaker 1: goes back to normal, but for one week you can

1459
01:20:29,200 --> 01:20:33,320
Speaker 1: have young and old, and Republican and Democrat and gain

1460
01:20:33,439 --> 01:20:36,960
Speaker 1: Straits and every race. I mean, it's really a melting

1461
01:20:36,960 --> 01:20:40,160
Speaker 1: pot on these ships. And when you step foot on

1462
01:20:40,520 --> 01:20:43,160
Speaker 1: the ship, you even if you know not one person,

1463
01:20:43,320 --> 01:20:48,639
Speaker 1: you're amongst friends because the power of music to to

1464
01:20:48,640 --> 01:20:52,599
Speaker 1: to get people there and to unite people, that's an

1465
01:20:52,640 --> 01:20:56,880
Speaker 1: amazing thing. You could have two people that completely disagree

1466
01:20:56,960 --> 01:20:59,760
Speaker 1: about everything, but you play one song that they both

1467
01:20:59,800 --> 01:21:03,439
Speaker 1: like and you've got an opening. And that's what these

1468
01:21:03,479 --> 01:21:06,639
Speaker 1: cruises have proven proven to me. They're they're they're less

1469
01:21:06,640 --> 01:21:10,120
Speaker 1: about music and more about proving to all of us

1470
01:21:10,560 --> 01:21:13,720
Speaker 1: what's possible. It's a reminder of what's possible. But there

1471
01:21:13,800 --> 01:21:18,000
Speaker 1: is a lot of music tons. Okay, so you know,

1472
01:21:18,000 --> 01:21:21,880
Speaker 1: I'm friendly with Kid Rock and his old manager, and

1473
01:21:21,920 --> 01:21:24,360
Speaker 1: they would say first, you know, Kid Rock would literally

1474
01:21:24,400 --> 01:21:27,880
Speaker 1: shake everybody's hands. He's like, he's up twenty four hours

1475
01:21:27,880 --> 01:21:30,320
Speaker 1: straight and he doesn't even do a whole week. What's

1476
01:21:30,360 --> 01:21:34,080
Speaker 1: it like being the epicenter of the cruise, Well, it's

1477
01:21:34,120 --> 01:21:37,599
Speaker 1: the it's the hardest work that that I do during

1478
01:21:37,640 --> 01:21:40,840
Speaker 1: the year. We do two back to back nowadays, uh

1479
01:21:40,880 --> 01:21:44,400
Speaker 1: they sell out about a year in advance, and uh

1480
01:21:44,479 --> 01:21:47,240
Speaker 1: so and and our mantra is seeing the world together

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01:21:47,240 --> 01:21:49,160
Speaker 1: through music, So every year we go to a different

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01:21:49,160 --> 01:21:52,760
Speaker 1: place on the planet. Our last one was Australia, and

1483
01:21:52,880 --> 01:21:56,120
Speaker 1: so you if you can imagine, uh we had just

1484
01:21:56,160 --> 01:21:59,160
Speaker 1: the shy of four thousand people for two weeks, and

1485
01:21:59,320 --> 01:22:02,920
Speaker 1: nine percent of them came from the United States. So

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01:22:02,960 --> 01:22:06,000
Speaker 1: they have to get to Australia just to take the cruise.

1487
01:22:06,000 --> 01:22:09,720
Speaker 1: That's a huge commitment. So when they get there, they're

1488
01:22:09,720 --> 01:22:12,759
Speaker 1: pretty darn excited, and all the artists and musicians are excited.

1489
01:22:12,920 --> 01:22:16,160
Speaker 1: And so it is something that is not just top

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01:22:16,160 --> 01:22:18,880
Speaker 1: of mind or in the back of my mind. It's

1491
01:22:19,280 --> 01:22:22,280
Speaker 1: completely I wake up and go to bed with the

1492
01:22:22,760 --> 01:22:26,160
Speaker 1: thought of these guests and how can I deliver to

1493
01:22:26,240 --> 01:22:29,920
Speaker 1: them an experience that is unforgettable because I I know

1494
01:22:30,160 --> 01:22:33,679
Speaker 1: that there. They're really one thing about the money because

1495
01:22:33,680 --> 01:22:36,840
Speaker 1: it's not cheap, but it's another thing like they're giving

1496
01:22:36,840 --> 01:22:40,240
Speaker 1: me a week of their life to entertain them. So

1497
01:22:40,280 --> 01:22:43,960
Speaker 1: it's a it's a huge undertaking, it's a huge responsibility.

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01:22:44,000 --> 01:22:47,680
Speaker 1: But the funny thing is in in the moment, Like

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01:22:47,720 --> 01:22:50,200
Speaker 1: when I'm on the ship. I don't know how it's

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01:22:50,360 --> 01:22:54,799
Speaker 1: it's possible. Maybe it's just adrenaline or fumes or whatever,

1501
01:22:54,880 --> 01:22:59,200
Speaker 1: but I have this incredible energy level and I think

1502
01:22:59,200 --> 01:23:02,080
Speaker 1: it's really comes from our guests. I'm just so amazing.

1503
01:23:02,160 --> 01:23:03,680
Speaker 1: So if I'm one of the four thousand, am I

1504
01:23:03,720 --> 01:23:06,200
Speaker 1: gonna get face time with you? If I want it? Absolutely?

1505
01:23:08,280 --> 01:23:11,400
Speaker 1: It sounds me one week is bad enough. You do

1506
01:23:11,520 --> 01:23:14,720
Speaker 1: them back to back just because economically it's better to

1507
01:23:14,760 --> 01:23:17,479
Speaker 1: do it that way. Well, if you've imagine taking our

1508
01:23:17,600 --> 01:23:19,960
Speaker 1: our whole entourage is about a hundred and twenty people,

1509
01:23:20,040 --> 01:23:23,960
Speaker 1: So we take a hundred and twenty people musicians, crew, staff.

1510
01:23:24,840 --> 01:23:28,200
Speaker 1: We have to fly them to to Sydney. So if

1511
01:23:28,240 --> 01:23:31,560
Speaker 1: we did a cruise and then took time off, it

1512
01:23:31,680 --> 01:23:34,479
Speaker 1: just would be It's just that would make financials okay.

1513
01:23:34,479 --> 01:23:36,760
Speaker 1: So you do it for two weeks, How long does

1514
01:23:36,760 --> 01:23:40,479
Speaker 1: it take you to recover? I try not to talk

1515
01:23:40,520 --> 01:23:42,640
Speaker 1: for at least a week after two weeks vig on

1516
01:23:42,720 --> 01:23:45,200
Speaker 1: the cruise. Uh. This last time, I went to a

1517
01:23:45,240 --> 01:23:50,240
Speaker 1: place called i uh songs Saw in Cambodia, which is

1518
01:23:50,240 --> 01:23:53,080
Speaker 1: a private island. It's one of those islands that's so

1519
01:23:53,120 --> 01:23:57,880
Speaker 1: small that the huts are actually on jetties stilts. It's

1520
01:23:57,920 --> 01:24:00,320
Speaker 1: one of those kind of places. And I went with

1521
01:24:00,560 --> 01:24:02,800
Speaker 1: one of my best friends after the two weeks and

1522
01:24:03,200 --> 01:24:07,559
Speaker 1: pretty much didn't speak for about four days and then emotionally, okay,

1523
01:24:07,560 --> 01:24:09,640
Speaker 1: you don't speak for four days? How long? Because I

1524
01:24:09,640 --> 01:24:11,000
Speaker 1: know people have been on the tour for two and

1525
01:24:11,000 --> 01:24:12,719
Speaker 1: a half years, literally took him a year to recover.

1526
01:24:13,439 --> 01:24:17,560
Speaker 1: So how long does it take before you work again? Uh?

1527
01:24:18,000 --> 01:24:21,240
Speaker 1: It was probably about a month and a half or so.

1528
01:24:21,479 --> 01:24:23,639
Speaker 1: I think it was maybe about a month. I went

1529
01:24:23,640 --> 01:24:26,760
Speaker 1: and did a tour of Japan about a month after

1530
01:24:26,800 --> 01:24:30,600
Speaker 1: that that cruise. Okay, so these are obviously very lucrative.

1531
01:24:30,680 --> 01:24:36,880
Speaker 1: What do you do with the money? Uh? I just

1532
01:24:37,200 --> 01:24:41,240
Speaker 1: redid my kitchen. Yeah, I don't know, it's funny, like

1533
01:24:41,280 --> 01:24:45,680
Speaker 1: I don't um. I feel very blessed to be able

1534
01:24:45,720 --> 01:24:49,240
Speaker 1: to make a living for music and for to have

1535
01:24:49,320 --> 01:24:51,200
Speaker 1: done this for a for a long time. And I can.

1536
01:24:51,760 --> 01:24:53,840
Speaker 1: I could cry my eyes out if I really let

1537
01:24:53,880 --> 01:24:56,840
Speaker 1: myself think about my life and how this has all

1538
01:24:56,920 --> 01:25:00,040
Speaker 1: happened for me and the fact that I can that

1539
01:25:00,120 --> 01:25:03,880
Speaker 1: I can do this and and still um, after all

1540
01:25:03,920 --> 01:25:06,559
Speaker 1: these years, that people are still interested and still you

1541
01:25:06,600 --> 01:25:09,479
Speaker 1: know that the money is is it's not about money,

1542
01:25:09,479 --> 01:25:11,920
Speaker 1: It's not I know it's not about but the money

1543
01:25:11,960 --> 01:25:14,439
Speaker 1: is sitting in the bank. Do you spend it on?

1544
01:25:14,560 --> 01:25:16,800
Speaker 1: I mean, and you travel for business, so it's not

1545
01:25:16,840 --> 01:25:20,960
Speaker 1: like you're dying to travel. And like Tom Styer says,

1546
01:25:20,960 --> 01:25:23,880
Speaker 1: you can only have so many cars. You're only one person.

1547
01:25:25,360 --> 01:25:27,719
Speaker 1: You know. I'm not thinking deep, I'm just wondering because

1548
01:25:27,960 --> 01:25:30,720
Speaker 1: that's always somewhat of a driver. If I said go

1549
01:25:30,840 --> 01:25:32,920
Speaker 1: do it for free, you wouldn't do it for free.

1550
01:25:33,640 --> 01:25:36,960
Speaker 1: This this is a good question. And and I don't

1551
01:25:36,960 --> 01:25:39,479
Speaker 1: know because I don't think that nothing changes my life.

1552
01:25:39,479 --> 01:25:43,120
Speaker 1: My life is great. And uh, it's not like I

1553
01:25:43,200 --> 01:25:45,240
Speaker 1: want for anything, although I will tell you one thing,

1554
01:25:45,720 --> 01:25:47,800
Speaker 1: but this is gonna this is gonna take a lot

1555
01:25:47,840 --> 01:25:50,680
Speaker 1: of cruises to get to this point. But when I

1556
01:25:50,720 --> 01:25:53,880
Speaker 1: did UM two years of touring with Barry Manilow as

1557
01:25:53,920 --> 01:25:56,240
Speaker 1: his opening act. And Barry is a good friend of mine,

1558
01:25:56,320 --> 01:25:58,400
Speaker 1: so he said to me, why don't you come travel

1559
01:25:58,479 --> 01:26:01,559
Speaker 1: with me in the private plane? Like, of course, I

1560
01:26:03,360 --> 01:26:06,200
Speaker 1: so two years and we traveled. We did that a

1561
01:26:06,240 --> 01:26:08,880
Speaker 1: worldwide tour and it was an amazing experience for me

1562
01:26:09,000 --> 01:26:11,720
Speaker 1: after because this is already twenty five years into my

1563
01:26:11,760 --> 01:26:15,000
Speaker 1: solo career of having to prove myself again as an

1564
01:26:15,000 --> 01:26:18,640
Speaker 1: opening act. That was really really good because that I

1565
01:26:18,640 --> 01:26:21,639
Speaker 1: hadn't gone into the tool shed to do that UM

1566
01:26:21,680 --> 01:26:24,640
Speaker 1: in a long time. Where you're now in front of

1567
01:26:24,640 --> 01:26:27,000
Speaker 1: ten thousand people that have no idea who I am.

1568
01:26:27,160 --> 01:26:30,040
Speaker 1: Maybe they've heard my name, but they haven't heard my music,

1569
01:26:30,479 --> 01:26:32,760
Speaker 1: and I've got twenty five minutes or thirty minutes to

1570
01:26:32,800 --> 01:26:36,479
Speaker 1: prove myself. That was an amazing experience. But the best

1571
01:26:36,520 --> 01:26:39,599
Speaker 1: part was just, you know, living this life of of

1572
01:26:39,760 --> 01:26:43,559
Speaker 1: complete luxury. As soon as Barry shows over which I

1573
01:26:43,600 --> 01:26:46,719
Speaker 1: did the encore with him, were in the car that's

1574
01:26:46,760 --> 01:26:50,599
Speaker 1: inside the arena, into the right to the tarmac onto

1575
01:26:50,600 --> 01:26:53,800
Speaker 1: the private plane. Oftentimes we would do a show in

1576
01:26:53,840 --> 01:26:55,800
Speaker 1: the East Coast and I would be asleep in my

1577
01:26:55,880 --> 01:26:58,880
Speaker 1: bed the same night in Los Angeles after the after

1578
01:26:58,920 --> 01:27:02,040
Speaker 1: that show. So that tour ends and now I'm back

1579
01:27:02,080 --> 01:27:06,080
Speaker 1: doing my own shows. You love on it. I'm sitting

1580
01:27:06,200 --> 01:27:08,679
Speaker 1: like kid, you not Bob. I'm in the middle seats

1581
01:27:08,720 --> 01:27:11,879
Speaker 1: on Southwest Airlines and I take a picture of myself

1582
01:27:12,000 --> 01:27:13,559
Speaker 1: and I send it to Barry and I said, Barry,

1583
01:27:13,720 --> 01:27:18,160
Speaker 1: who are these people on our plane? I mean that

1584
01:27:18,479 --> 01:27:21,679
Speaker 1: he ruined me. So I would say, if if there

1585
01:27:21,720 --> 01:27:24,479
Speaker 1: was one way to get to that level where I

1586
01:27:24,520 --> 01:27:27,759
Speaker 1: could travel privately, that would be like the biggest carrot

1587
01:27:27,760 --> 01:27:30,519
Speaker 1: in the world. But there I'm a long ways away

1588
01:27:30,560 --> 01:27:34,679
Speaker 1: from there. Okay, you paint a picture of your career

1589
01:27:34,800 --> 01:27:38,519
Speaker 1: always being on the ascension from your viewpoint where they're

1590
01:27:38,560 --> 01:27:44,960
Speaker 1: low moments, um, low moments. Well I have my I

1591
01:27:45,000 --> 01:27:47,599
Speaker 1: have the answer my question. If nothing immediately jumps to mind,

1592
01:27:47,600 --> 01:27:50,240
Speaker 1: there really weren't well, I mean there I told you

1593
01:27:50,280 --> 01:27:52,960
Speaker 1: about that the album that I made, that that was

1594
01:27:53,000 --> 01:27:57,799
Speaker 1: a big flop, um, But there hasn't been. I wouldn't

1595
01:27:57,840 --> 01:28:00,280
Speaker 1: say that there are places were I really had to

1596
01:28:00,320 --> 01:28:05,720
Speaker 1: go back and and think about, well, total restructuring of

1597
01:28:05,760 --> 01:28:08,360
Speaker 1: who I am and what what I'm doing there. There

1598
01:28:08,360 --> 01:28:12,080
Speaker 1: hasn't been like that because I feel like in overall

1599
01:28:12,200 --> 01:28:16,400
Speaker 1: I'm a curious person and I love collaboration. I think

1600
01:28:16,439 --> 01:28:19,599
Speaker 1: if I was more of an artist that really uh

1601
01:28:19,880 --> 01:28:23,800
Speaker 1: had where where I did my own production and I

1602
01:28:23,840 --> 01:28:27,280
Speaker 1: wrote songs always by myself, I think that I would

1603
01:28:27,280 --> 01:28:31,840
Speaker 1: have probably gotten into some creative blocks. But because just

1604
01:28:32,080 --> 01:28:37,120
Speaker 1: by my nature, I love to collaborate, and collaboration allows

1605
01:28:37,120 --> 01:28:41,400
Speaker 1: you to constantly be expanding. Remever hit the point we say, God,

1606
01:28:41,479 --> 01:28:43,519
Speaker 1: my career might be over. I can't work your way.

1607
01:28:43,520 --> 01:28:46,040
Speaker 1: You knew you could work at some level? Yeah, I

1608
01:28:46,080 --> 01:28:48,320
Speaker 1: think so. And there's been a lot of diversification to

1609
01:28:48,600 --> 01:28:52,320
Speaker 1: you know, try and radio and cruises and stuff like that.

1610
01:28:52,360 --> 01:28:57,080
Speaker 1: There's I'm a naturally a person that that gets easily bored.

1611
01:28:57,120 --> 01:28:59,080
Speaker 1: So if I was doing one thing over and over,

1612
01:28:59,200 --> 01:29:02,879
Speaker 1: I'd probably myself. But there's always something, some new wrinkle

1613
01:29:03,520 --> 01:29:06,760
Speaker 1: that is somewhat related to the core business that keeps

1614
01:29:06,760 --> 01:29:09,000
Speaker 1: me motivating other than the cruises. How many dates do

1615
01:29:09,040 --> 01:29:13,479
Speaker 1: you do in a year? Uh? Probably about are okay

1616
01:29:13,520 --> 01:29:16,440
Speaker 1: at this age? Which just with this level of success,

1617
01:29:16,439 --> 01:29:19,360
Speaker 1: other than having your own plane or annett jetcount or something,

1618
01:29:20,360 --> 01:29:27,840
Speaker 1: what would you like to achieve? If anything? Wow, I

1619
01:29:27,880 --> 01:29:32,240
Speaker 1: already got on the Bob Left Sets podcast. So I

1620
01:29:32,280 --> 01:29:35,880
Speaker 1: mean that's that's a big one that you would invite

1621
01:29:35,920 --> 01:29:38,920
Speaker 1: me on your podcast. Okay, okay, but leaving me out

1622
01:29:39,000 --> 01:29:42,120
Speaker 1: of it. Uh, what would you like to achieve, whether

1623
01:29:42,120 --> 01:29:48,240
Speaker 1: it be personally, career wise, impact on society? I think, yeah,

1624
01:29:50,720 --> 01:29:55,519
Speaker 1: I feel like I've If it all ended tomorrow, I

1625
01:29:55,560 --> 01:29:58,760
Speaker 1: wouldn't have any regrets. I mean I would just my

1626
01:29:58,840 --> 01:30:01,439
Speaker 1: two words would be thank Okay, I understand that. But

1627
01:30:01,600 --> 01:30:04,559
Speaker 1: you are an individual on the planet. You do have

1628
01:30:04,640 --> 01:30:07,679
Speaker 1: this career, You do have fans, which is not a

1629
01:30:07,800 --> 01:30:10,559
Speaker 1: usual experience that gives you some level of power and

1630
01:30:10,640 --> 01:30:13,840
Speaker 1: some levels satisfaction if it goes on the way it

1631
01:30:13,920 --> 01:30:15,760
Speaker 1: does until you choose not to do it. Is that

1632
01:30:16,000 --> 01:30:18,840
Speaker 1: enough or is there something else you need to do?

1633
01:30:19,720 --> 01:30:21,479
Speaker 1: I don't feel like I need to do anything else.

1634
01:30:22,240 --> 01:30:25,680
Speaker 1: The things that are the most motivating factors for me

1635
01:30:25,880 --> 01:30:29,800
Speaker 1: are things that are new, that are that are undiscovered

1636
01:30:29,880 --> 01:30:34,240
Speaker 1: areas like, for example, um working with this band called

1637
01:30:34,320 --> 01:30:36,360
Speaker 1: wolf Pack I don't know if you know about, of course,

1638
01:30:37,120 --> 01:30:41,759
Speaker 1: and getting a chance to to understand how that whole

1639
01:30:41,800 --> 01:30:47,160
Speaker 1: machine works, and being uh embraced by by these kids

1640
01:30:47,960 --> 01:30:50,360
Speaker 1: they're basically playing the music that we play, I mean,

1641
01:30:50,640 --> 01:30:53,760
Speaker 1: but they're playing it to kids, so getting a chance

1642
01:30:53,800 --> 01:30:56,360
Speaker 1: to work with with them. And this this guy, this

1643
01:30:56,439 --> 01:30:58,639
Speaker 1: young kid named Corey Wong, who plays in wolf Pack

1644
01:30:58,720 --> 01:31:02,439
Speaker 1: as a guitar player, who mounted this whole campaign last

1645
01:31:02,520 --> 01:31:06,200
Speaker 1: year to get what he called the cause nod because

1646
01:31:06,240 --> 01:31:08,519
Speaker 1: he wanted to get into the world of smooth jazz.

1647
01:31:08,560 --> 01:31:11,720
Speaker 1: And he's killing it over in the Wolfpeck world, right,

1648
01:31:12,040 --> 01:31:14,559
Speaker 1: but he wanted the smooth jazz world. So he mounted

1649
01:31:14,560 --> 01:31:18,240
Speaker 1: this this social media campaign to get my attention. And

1650
01:31:18,280 --> 01:31:19,960
Speaker 1: not only did you get mad Test, but we've written

1651
01:31:20,000 --> 01:31:21,920
Speaker 1: a bunch of songs together. I invited him on our

1652
01:31:21,960 --> 01:31:24,360
Speaker 1: cruise and he's incredible. He's like one of the new

1653
01:31:24,439 --> 01:31:29,439
Speaker 1: voices of instrumental music, whether it's wolf Peck or um.

1654
01:31:29,479 --> 01:31:32,120
Speaker 1: I hadn't gotten a chance to to sit in with

1655
01:31:32,160 --> 01:31:34,840
Speaker 1: the food Fighters on a bunch of shows over the

1656
01:31:34,920 --> 01:31:39,000
Speaker 1: last couple of years. I like showing up in places

1657
01:31:39,040 --> 01:31:43,240
Speaker 1: that are unexpected. So if there, if there was something

1658
01:31:43,280 --> 01:31:47,640
Speaker 1: more for me in music, I love to continue my

1659
01:31:47,640 --> 01:31:52,759
Speaker 1: my world and expand that horizon. But I really really

1660
01:31:52,800 --> 01:31:55,960
Speaker 1: loved the idea of being pulled into places where you

1661
01:31:55,960 --> 01:32:01,320
Speaker 1: would least expect to see me Dave, we could go

1662
01:32:01,360 --> 01:32:06,879
Speaker 1: on for hours. You really very equacious, very interesting. Uh,

1663
01:32:07,240 --> 01:32:09,439
Speaker 1: it really amazing you light right up. I don't know

1664
01:32:09,439 --> 01:32:13,439
Speaker 1: whether it's your personality or experience or both, but you've

1665
01:32:13,439 --> 01:32:16,120
Speaker 1: really been wonderful. Well, thank you, and it's a pleasure

1666
01:32:16,160 --> 01:32:18,600
Speaker 1: to talk with you. And I'm a fan for a

1667
01:32:18,680 --> 01:32:20,519
Speaker 1: long time, but you know that well. As I say,

1668
01:32:20,560 --> 01:32:23,880
Speaker 1: we're also personal friends. But as I say, it's it's

1669
01:32:23,920 --> 01:32:26,800
Speaker 1: funny certain people we don't talk every day, but you

1670
01:32:26,800 --> 01:32:28,479
Speaker 1: can sit down with them and just pick right up

1671
01:32:28,800 --> 01:32:30,519
Speaker 1: where there's so many people you can act for them

1672
01:32:30,520 --> 01:32:33,120
Speaker 1: for years and you can never connect. Well, I really

1673
01:32:33,120 --> 01:32:36,040
Speaker 1: appreciate this is a real dream come true to sit

1674
01:32:36,040 --> 01:32:38,320
Speaker 1: and talk with you for like Okay, once again, you've

1675
01:32:38,320 --> 01:32:40,760
Speaker 1: been listening to Day and Cause on the Bob Left

1676
01:32:40,760 --> 01:32:44,400
Speaker 1: Sets podcast. Sign up for the Cruise Beat Dave. Until

1677
01:32:44,479 --> 01:32:45,000
Speaker 1: next time,