1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,559 Speaker 1: I've been offered, you know, publishing for songs I didn't write, 2 00:00:03,640 --> 00:00:07,000 Speaker 1: and trying to take opportunities from other artistss like, I 3 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:09,200 Speaker 1: don't want to do none of that, And I always 4 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:11,879 Speaker 1: make it clear, make sure you let them know I 5 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:14,280 Speaker 1: don't believe in that practice. So it's not just a no, 6 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:18,400 Speaker 1: it's a know, I'm pleased, don't continue that, you know 7 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:18,959 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. 8 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 2: I prefer that you. 9 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:23,440 Speaker 1: Didn't involve me in anything that does that to other people, 10 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 1: because I feel like there's so many hands in your 11 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:30,800 Speaker 1: pocket as an artist, as a songwriter, it's just so 12 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 1: hard to even just be stable, you know. 13 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:36,040 Speaker 2: Oh, and it's not right. 14 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:37,279 Speaker 1: It's not okay okay. 15 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 2: And that ladies and gentlemen, it is money long. I 16 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 2: appreciate her honesty, and more importantly, I appreciate how naggadd 17 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:49,280 Speaker 2: she is. On today's podcast, Sit back, Relax, prepare yourselves 18 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 2: for a dose, a healthy dose of honesty. 19 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:04,760 Speaker 3: If it's the greatest Discorsi and then the tainment Cannet 20 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 3: get wind carry chap and then Carrie Chappy is to 21 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 3: be a CHAMPIONNA champion, and Carrie CHAPPI and the girl 22 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:15,840 Speaker 3: be a champion. They carry chapion and carried shepyentament getting. 23 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 2: Where money Long has been a force in the music 24 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 2: industry for many years, writing hits for artists like Rihanna, 25 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 2: Mariah Carey, Madonna, Marianna Grande. She's also known as a 26 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 2: buzzworthy artist herself. She has hits like Hours and Hours 27 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:38,039 Speaker 2: time Machine, and those have earned her three Grammy nominations 28 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 2: and a win. A win for Hours and Hours. It's 29 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 2: really hard for an artist to get nominated for a Grammy, 30 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 2: let alone win a Grammy, but she explains that it's 31 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 2: not easy. People have called her difficult to work with, 32 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 2: but she considers herself an advocate, an advocate for artists. 33 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 2: That title can be misconstruy by some, but most importantly, 34 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 2: it's not for her. She believes in the work that 35 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:09,800 Speaker 2: she is doing and she believes in her music. Welcome 36 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:13,919 Speaker 2: to Naked everyone. It's money Long, Chapion and care with 37 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:17,679 Speaker 2: Chapion and care with chap money Long. Thank you so 38 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 2: much for coming on Naked. My podcast is exactly what 39 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:24,520 Speaker 2: it means. It's like, I just ask people be as 40 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 2: transparent as they can possibly be. I do understand sometimes 41 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 2: it's hard to do that, but I appreciate you for 42 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 2: just taking the time it congratulations. 43 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:37,639 Speaker 1: Thank you if you released the album single saying it 44 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 1: was supposed to be a whole like a former pack, 45 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:41,919 Speaker 1: but oh we couldn't get it ready in time, so 46 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:45,359 Speaker 1: we just settled on one song. It's called Made for Me. 47 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:49,679 Speaker 1: People are really liking it so far. Well, let's go 48 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 1: back to the beginning, because you have a very interesting story. 49 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:56,919 Speaker 1: Probably not unlike others, but as a woman in this industry, 50 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:00,919 Speaker 1: being a creative sometimes and we find ourselves was being 51 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:05,079 Speaker 1: taken advantage of and not always necessarily getting our just due. 52 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:07,959 Speaker 2: From my understanding, please correct me if I'm wrong. You 53 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:11,800 Speaker 2: grew up in a musical household. You you were someone 54 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:15,800 Speaker 2: that literally was able to take your talent, uploaded our 55 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:20,519 Speaker 2: social and it became a movement. That's how you grew 56 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 2: your base. Tell me about that. 57 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 1: Definitely grew up in a musical household. My biological father 58 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 1: played trumpet things also a singer. My mom sang. It 59 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 1: was always music in the house. We had a piano 60 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 1: in every house that we uh we ever lived in, 61 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 1: and music was just kind of like I thought that 62 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 1: it was like everybody's house, you know. It was such 63 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 1: a big art of just our every day and I 64 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 1: think that's why it was so like normal for me 65 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 1: to pick it up as a pastime, a favorite pastime. 66 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 1: And as soon as I got introduced to, you know, 67 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 1: the freedom of the internet, YouTube and you know, uploading 68 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 1: my own videos, myself singing, you know that I had 69 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 1: a period before MySpace through I was uploading, like you know, 70 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 1: I had like the long, skinny Logitech microphone and I 71 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 1: was recording songs on that and they sounded terrible, but 72 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:30,479 Speaker 1: some people like them, you know, and transitioning to YouTube 73 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:32,360 Speaker 1: where it's like you get to see my face and 74 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 1: I'm literally making up these songs in my bedroom just 75 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 1: for fun, not thinking anything of it. And I mean, 76 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 1: who would have known, you know, fifteen years later that 77 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:49,159 Speaker 1: had being an influencer and going viral social media would 78 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:54,240 Speaker 1: be what it is today to where I even you know, 79 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:57,479 Speaker 1: everything came full circle and I had a really organic, 80 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 1: huge moment with I saw hours and hours last year. 81 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:04,680 Speaker 1: So that's very cool. I just gave give you like 82 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 1: fifteen years in sixty seconds. 83 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 2: Well, Well that's beautiful because I love that, and that 84 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 2: just gives everybody the introduction of where I was going 85 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 2: next in the fifteen years. First you looked twelve years 86 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:18,039 Speaker 2: older in the fifteen years because everyone starts so young, 87 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:20,280 Speaker 2: so you probably still are twelve years old. But in 88 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:22,680 Speaker 2: the fifteen years that you've been in this industry, you 89 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 2: quickly became someone who has been You're an advocate. You 90 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 2: are an advocate for songwriters. You're anavocant for those who 91 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:34,280 Speaker 2: sometimes are marginalized. Do you like that term being called 92 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:38,040 Speaker 2: an advocate? Is that an appropriate term for you and 93 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:42,040 Speaker 2: what you do? I mean, I guess you know if 94 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 2: you would out of all the words that you could 95 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 2: use to describe me as a good one. But I 96 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:50,840 Speaker 2: think I'm just trying to be the best human that 97 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:53,839 Speaker 2: I could possibly be, and I always try to treat 98 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 2: people how I want to be treated. Nobody wants to 99 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 2: live in house that's fallen fart, you know, Like I 100 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 2: think with music and the way streaming has changed, the 101 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 2: revenue like still the same money, it's just not going 102 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 2: to the people where should be yours, and U like 103 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:16,279 Speaker 2: the house is burning and people are complaining about music 104 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 2: in this ticket sales. But you know, part of the 105 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:25,800 Speaker 2: problem is we're trading convenience for quality and so not 106 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 2: necessarily like fighting for anything. Because I feel like anything 107 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 2: that you fight for resists you. I'm more so just 108 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:38,680 Speaker 2: like showing people there is a way to do it, 109 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 2: that you can have massive success and treat people right 110 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:48,159 Speaker 2: and do the right thing, you know, especially even I'm 111 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:52,040 Speaker 2: just trying to be like a benchmark right for you know, 112 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 2: an example for people to be like, what's it called 113 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:57,040 Speaker 2: set a new president. That's what I'm trying to do 114 00:06:57,400 --> 00:07:00,920 Speaker 2: because I've been offered, you know, publishing for songs I 115 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:04,480 Speaker 2: didn't write, and you know, trying to take opportunities from 116 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:06,920 Speaker 2: other artistss like I don't want to do none of that. 117 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:09,800 Speaker 2: And I always make it clear, make sure you let 118 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 2: them know I don't believe in that practice. 119 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:14,680 Speaker 1: So it's not just a no, it's a no. I'm 120 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 1: please don't continue that, you know what I'm saying. I 121 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 1: prefer that you didn't involve me in anything that does 122 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 1: that to other people, because I feel like there's so 123 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 1: many hands in your pocket as an artist, as a songwriter, 124 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 1: it's just so hard to even just be stable, you know. Oh, 125 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:37,679 Speaker 1: and it's it's not right, it's not okay, it's interesting 126 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 1: you said something. 127 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 2: No, and please don't do It's not just no, it's no, 128 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:45,000 Speaker 2: and and and that and that to me is important 129 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:47,640 Speaker 2: in any aspect of your life. But you said you 130 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 2: you're not you don't try to fight anything, because that 131 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 2: means you're resisting. I believe, and I'm paraphrasing. I love that. 132 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 2: I love that thought process. When you started writing for 133 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 2: the likes of a real or Ariana Grande, I mean 134 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:06,200 Speaker 2: you have really amazing credits. You realize something quickly in 135 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 2: terms of being a songwriter. I believe you said you 136 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 2: had to be and I'm not referring to them in general, 137 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 2: but because of who you are and you can sing 138 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:18,240 Speaker 2: and you and you can present in front as well 139 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 2: as right behind the scenes, people wanted you to be 140 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 2: a little more demure and they also were trying to 141 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 2: take money out of your pocket. Give me an example. 142 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 2: Talk about that experience for me. 143 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:33,720 Speaker 1: I think, you know, it just comes with the territory, right, 144 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 1: There's certain things that you just know. Okay, this is 145 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 1: the way it is, the stat quote, right, And so 146 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 1: I learned one of the things I did learned very 147 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 1: early is that the energy that you bring with you 148 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:51,560 Speaker 1: in the room is going to sort of season the music. 149 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:53,959 Speaker 1: So if you've ever been in a recording, to you 150 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 1: or if you've ever seen, like you know, and when 151 00:08:57,679 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 1: they have like on the news sometimes like the phone 152 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 1: calls and the nine one one calls and you see 153 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 1: the little frequency line going up and down. Right, that's 154 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:07,199 Speaker 1: what it looks like in the studio. And it's a 155 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:10,440 Speaker 1: bit different, but same concept. Where we sing on the mic, 156 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 1: it rights you know, a frequency into the program. Well 157 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 1: that that frequency is happening all the time, whether you 158 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:22,199 Speaker 1: see it or not. And just like you know, I 159 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 1: always give the example of when you tell someone I 160 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 1: love you so much, you feel that it feels a 161 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 1: certain way, or when you say, oh my gosh, bitch, 162 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:34,480 Speaker 1: you know, like you feel that and it makes you 163 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 1: angry or however you want to feel about it. And 164 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:39,719 Speaker 1: so it matters the energy that you bring it to 165 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 1: the room. If I ever had a moment where I 166 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 1: did not want to do something, or didn't want to 167 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:48,439 Speaker 1: work with an artist, or felt like I was, you know, 168 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 1: going to be in a horrible situation, you can't predict 169 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 1: those things, right because it's like you go in the 170 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:56,559 Speaker 1: studio and you make something incredible and here comes the vultures. 171 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:00,079 Speaker 1: But for the most part, when you go in and 172 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 1: you enter into the space with the highest intention. I 173 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 1: would always sit in my car and say, like a 174 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:08,959 Speaker 1: little prayer affirmation before I got out, thank you for 175 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:12,120 Speaker 1: an amazing song, number one song. I thank you, you 176 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 1: know for channeling through me today and if you just 177 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:20,080 Speaker 1: open yourself up to possibility, and that helped me from 178 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 1: you know, getting to in my head because I'm a channeler. 179 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 1: When I write, it's not like, really, you know, I'm 180 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 1: a genie. So I'm coming up with the stuff myself. 181 00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 1: I'm literally just like opening my mouth and I'm surprised 182 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 1: a lot of times. 183 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 2: At what comes out. And I don't take all the credit. 184 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 2: I'm just a conduit. 185 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:46,359 Speaker 1: And so you can't have any negative skewed energy frequency 186 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:50,800 Speaker 1: when you're operating that way. I mean, it is the 187 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:52,440 Speaker 1: wild wide with all your manned business. 188 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 2: It is what it is. 189 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 1: It's been like this for years and the only thing 190 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:58,599 Speaker 1: you can do is just operate at the at the 191 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:02,599 Speaker 1: highest level that you possibly can. Is not specific to 192 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 1: any artists, any manager, or just sometimes situations arise and 193 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 1: they're not really the most able. 194 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:13,679 Speaker 2: I hear you talk and I think to myself, is 195 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 2: there an industry in the world outside of music, outside 196 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 2: of anything that we're doing. Is there an industry in 197 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:23,439 Speaker 2: the world where you don't see someone trying to get 198 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 2: over or not operate in a way that's high vibration, 199 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:33,280 Speaker 2: high frequency, or or where you have to decide if 200 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:37,080 Speaker 2: I if I stay here, I have to really create boundaries, 201 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:40,079 Speaker 2: and boundaries are tough and hard. They're hard, they're heart 202 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:43,679 Speaker 2: professionally and they're heart personally. And then the cost of 203 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:48,560 Speaker 2: creating boundaries and living by those boundaries could also reflect 204 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:51,439 Speaker 2: negative negatively on how people want to work with you 205 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:54,200 Speaker 2: or how they Yeah, they label you difficult. 206 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:57,600 Speaker 1: Until you until you get enough points on the board 207 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 1: to establish yourself as someone who is viable and who 208 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 1: consistently can create things that hold value, they're gonna look 209 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 1: at you and be like, who can are usually the abby? 210 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 1: You're not cleaning my toilets, like you know, it's definitely that, 211 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 1: especially being a black woman. You can feel the energy 212 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 1: in a room where people are just like, who told 213 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:22,559 Speaker 1: you to be so confident? Who told you to be 214 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 1: so sure of yourself? 215 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:28,400 Speaker 2: How dairy? Exactly like, you know, go get my coffee? 216 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:29,840 Speaker 2: And you just have to. 217 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:33,600 Speaker 1: You have to understand it is the human condition. It's 218 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:38,559 Speaker 1: not personal to you, It's not you know, people like 219 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 1: to say paying your dues. I feel like that's a 220 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:45,200 Speaker 1: little bit deceptive every person in the world, no matter 221 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 1: who it is, no matter what it's for it to 222 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 1: be a nonprofit, it could be you know, supposed to 223 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:51,320 Speaker 1: be saving the children, it could. 224 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 2: Be whatever at the core of you. 225 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 1: If you're not doing the work and you're not on 226 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 1: this planet with the understandingapist to express your highest version 227 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 1: of yourself, there's going to be you know, you know, 228 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:10,880 Speaker 1: on a scale a bit too small, like there's little 229 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 1: boo boos and uh ohs that you shouldn't be doing, 230 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:16,800 Speaker 1: and then there's a big change things that affects, you know, 231 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 1: millions of people. And that's just the way humans are 232 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:23,720 Speaker 1: till they learn there is a better way to do things. 233 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 1: I yeah, it is the human condition, which is why 234 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:29,240 Speaker 1: it's in every industry and across the board. But there's 235 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 1: an extra layer of what I like to call texture. 236 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:35,120 Speaker 1: When you are a black woman, if you think about 237 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 1: from the moment you started in this business to where 238 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:39,959 Speaker 1: you are now, how would you describe it? Would you 239 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:43,280 Speaker 1: describe it? And if we let's use references that people 240 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:46,040 Speaker 1: could explain. Let's say when you first started, you were 241 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:49,719 Speaker 1: you were going your appetizer and have you gotten to 242 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:51,599 Speaker 1: the point where you're like, I got this entree and 243 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 1: I got this dessert, and when I walk in the world, 244 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:56,079 Speaker 1: I'm just making up like an example of having a 245 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 1: little to a lot. How do you describe your journey 246 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 1: of being an artist from fifteen years ago to today? 247 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:08,160 Speaker 1: I would say my journey of being an artist from 248 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 1: then to now is I just steel fulfilled in like home. 249 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 1: But I've always, you know, been a big head in 250 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 1: the clouds Delulu, where when I didn't have two pennies, 251 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:28,960 Speaker 1: I still would save those ups, you know, have the 252 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 1: best experiences I could have. I was telling a friend 253 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 1: the other day, It's like I didn't have the money 254 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 1: to do this. But in the beginning of my career, 255 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 1: I actually to Paris just to get some Christian move 256 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 1: John custom shoes because I really wanted them. And by 257 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 1: the end of the trip it was only two days left. 258 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 2: I ran out of money. 259 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:49,960 Speaker 1: I had to figure it out, you know, And I 260 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:54,640 Speaker 1: never let my circumstance stop me from having a good time. 261 00:14:56,760 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 1: I don't know, you just have to make the best 262 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 1: right and I've alway as done that before I had 263 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:07,480 Speaker 1: any sort of widespread recognition. So I feel, you know, 264 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 1: with with time and through my journey, all the experiences 265 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:15,640 Speaker 1: that I've had, people that I've worked with, the ups 266 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 1: and downs, I just learned how to be comfortable and 267 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:24,360 Speaker 1: vulnerable being myself in front of people. And that's the 268 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:27,680 Speaker 1: hardest part, right is That's what authenticity is. It's just 269 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:30,960 Speaker 1: like I own my mistakes. I own everything that I say. 270 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 1: Sometimes I might have like hair and makeup or an 271 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 1: outfit that is so great. I like, I don't feel 272 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 1: ashamed or embarrassed by any of my choices. I'm not 273 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 1: afraid to fail and look goofy or make a mistake. 274 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:48,600 Speaker 1: And that is an amazing place to be, especially when 275 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:50,960 Speaker 1: you're doing it on the ward stage. 276 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's the opposite of where most people live. 277 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:56,400 Speaker 2: I have the same Lubaton story. I saved up all 278 00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 2: my little pennies, went to Paris and I bought them 279 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 2: shoes and have no more money to eat food. I remember, 280 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:04,880 Speaker 2: like it was yesterday. I was like, it's okay, it's fine. 281 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:10,960 Speaker 2: I'm not even comfortable. The control gave me corns. But 282 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:13,120 Speaker 2: I remember I just had that. But I was gonna live. 283 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:15,240 Speaker 2: You weren't gonna tell me. I couldn't live. I'm gonna 284 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:21,160 Speaker 2: walk around Paris and enjoy the architecture with my sage cross. Yeah, 285 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 2: for the whole time. Here there, everybody. You know what 286 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 2: time it is. We have to pay these bills so 287 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 2: that the podcast can continue. You can fast forward through 288 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 2: the commercials, or you can just listen. You may hear me, 289 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 2: you may hear somebody you know, you may learn something. 290 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 2: I appreciate you. We'll be right back and just a 291 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 2: kee a moment. 292 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 3: Every champion and carry champions. To be a champion of 293 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:43,560 Speaker 3: Champion and carry Champion and carry Chat, Beta Champion and 294 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 3: carry Chappion and carry champ. 295 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 2: Entertainment and Naked. 296 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:57,840 Speaker 3: Kerry Champion and carry Champion is to be a Champion 297 00:16:57,960 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 3: of Champion and carry Champion Nigger. They care with Chapion, 298 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:03,120 Speaker 3: they care with Chat. 299 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:08,960 Speaker 2: Thank you all for your patience. Welcome back to Naked 300 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:12,399 Speaker 2: and here's more with money loans. Your first two LPs, 301 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:14,879 Speaker 2: you were a writer for all these major artists, but 302 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:17,639 Speaker 2: then you do your own work these two LPs. What's 303 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 2: the difference between writing for someone else and writing for 304 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:24,560 Speaker 2: yourself and creating the work that you love. Uh? 305 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:27,840 Speaker 1: The difference to writing for myself writing someone else technically isn't. 306 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:31,120 Speaker 1: There's no difference because it always comes from as I said, 307 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:35,920 Speaker 1: channel right. Writing for myself THI though I know who 308 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:37,480 Speaker 1: I am, I know what I will to alt say 309 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:40,680 Speaker 1: things that I don't want to project onto myself or 310 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 1: anyone else. Writing love sotels are is so easy for 311 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:46,920 Speaker 1: me because that's just who I am. I believe, I 312 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:50,119 Speaker 1: believe in fairy tales. I read a lot of like 313 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:55,200 Speaker 1: romance novels things like that, so that's decmential to me. 314 00:17:57,359 --> 00:17:58,960 Speaker 1: I just want to make people feel good, like I 315 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:02,760 Speaker 1: know exactly what it is or sound wise, And it's 316 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:05,879 Speaker 1: a lot easier to make music for myself because I 317 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:08,399 Speaker 1: don't have to go through all these filters right So 318 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:10,480 Speaker 1: like when I'm in a service position, when I was, 319 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 1: because I don't write for others anymore, and at least 320 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 1: not right now, I don't plan to in the near 321 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:19,360 Speaker 1: few jugs want to take some time to explore myself. 322 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:23,040 Speaker 1: But when I was in the service position, it was 323 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:24,720 Speaker 1: like you have to kind of dig a little bit, 324 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:29,000 Speaker 1: do extra work, find out like where are you at 325 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 1: in your life? You know, what do you want to 326 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:34,679 Speaker 1: talk about? Where do you see this music being played? 327 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:35,040 Speaker 2: Are you. 328 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:37,680 Speaker 1: Are you in the club with it? Are you trying 329 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:40,920 Speaker 1: to make stadium music? Are you trying to make something 330 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 1: that you can sing acoustically or do you want to 331 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:47,040 Speaker 1: showcase like your voice or the lyrics. You have to 332 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:50,800 Speaker 1: figure out what the artist wants to do. And I 333 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:53,400 Speaker 1: think that's probably the best thing is that I don't 334 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 1: have to go through that anymore. I can just, you know, 335 00:18:56,359 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 1: wake up and be like this, this is what I 336 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:02,840 Speaker 1: want to make, this is what I'm writing. Well, for me, 337 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:05,080 Speaker 1: I would think that would be a tremendous amount of 338 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:07,240 Speaker 1: pressure that would make my stomach curred, especially if I 339 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:08,920 Speaker 1: and by the way, which is why you do what 340 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:12,640 Speaker 1: you do, Especially if you're writing for an artist that's 341 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:16,399 Speaker 1: already proven and has a style. Maybe that's even easier, 342 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:18,160 Speaker 1: perhaps if they already have a style and the way 343 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 1: they want to go about it. But tell me about 344 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 1: a difficult time in the studio or what's arguably the 345 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:28,639 Speaker 1: most difficult time for you as a creator, not necessarily 346 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:31,760 Speaker 1: dealing with anyone else, but for you when you are 347 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:34,240 Speaker 1: in a studio and you were singing and you wrote 348 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:36,400 Speaker 1: it and it doesn't come out the way you want 349 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:39,879 Speaker 1: it to, or it's not quite hitting exactly as you 350 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:42,480 Speaker 1: wanted to. I'm assuming you've had those moments because artists 351 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:47,280 Speaker 1: are so very material and protective and precise, So I 352 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:49,600 Speaker 1: would think that you would want it to be perfect 353 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:52,200 Speaker 1: or the vibe to be real and what you want, 354 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 1: and then you want that to come out the way 355 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 1: that you've had a couple of moments that weren't very becoming. 356 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 1: Was like maybe when the producer like, I don't need 357 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:07,080 Speaker 1: a lot of coaching in hand help, you know, hand 358 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:10,680 Speaker 1: holding when I'm working, I just kind of need you 359 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:13,720 Speaker 1: to like, you know, play me what you got. Let's 360 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:16,719 Speaker 1: get a little chord reversion going and leave and come 361 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:22,000 Speaker 1: back for thus, you know, yeah, and man write really fast. 362 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 1: And I think the only time when it was like 363 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:26,159 Speaker 1: difficult or it felt like it was kind of like, 364 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:29,680 Speaker 1: you know, start to stop, was when I was in 365 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:34,200 Speaker 1: the room with somebody who was just constantly like picking 366 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:38,879 Speaker 1: apart the idea before it sort of presented itself as 367 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 1: it wanted to. Because I really think that, yeah, I 368 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:44,440 Speaker 1: think like the songs tell us what they want to 369 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:46,920 Speaker 1: be if you really pay attention to you sort of 370 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 1: like form themselves. And so when you have somebody just 371 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:53,480 Speaker 1: like you can you change that lyric or I don't 372 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:56,840 Speaker 1: like it really, like ba fam let me let. 373 00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:58,760 Speaker 2: Me do me please, you know what I'm saying. Let 374 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 2: me do it, and then come back with your critique. 375 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:04,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, like if I don't even know what so yeah, 376 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:05,240 Speaker 1: like yeah right right. 377 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:08,480 Speaker 2: You know, when you're dealing with someone like a producer, 378 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:09,720 Speaker 2: do you say, wait, give me a minute, let me 379 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:12,359 Speaker 2: just figure this out first. Do you say that tried. 380 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:13,560 Speaker 2: I'll try that. 381 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:16,720 Speaker 1: But then if I feel too much resistance, whether it 382 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:19,960 Speaker 1: comes from the artist or producer or even another co writer, 383 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:23,400 Speaker 1: I'll let you know what. I'm gonna take a break. 384 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:27,600 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go get some yogurt, you know, if you 385 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 1: take a walk it's kind of cold in here, or 386 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:32,600 Speaker 1: go out and I let them have it, like maybe 387 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 1: there's something that y'all really need to get out. When 388 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:39,119 Speaker 1: you need me, I'll be here. There have been sessions 389 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:41,720 Speaker 1: where I just completely sit there and do nothing, and 390 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 1: I'll ask for anything either. Like you know that's the 391 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:46,360 Speaker 1: thing too, where people just because they're in the room, 392 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:47,880 Speaker 1: they want a percentage. 393 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:49,359 Speaker 2: I don't believe in that. I don't do that. 394 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:51,920 Speaker 1: Say that again, because they're the room, they want to 395 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:56,480 Speaker 1: what they want a percentage of the song. Oh yeah, 396 00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:57,960 Speaker 1: like they want They're like, while I was in the room, 397 00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:02,000 Speaker 1: I helped inspiration, Like no, I'm wow, Wait so you 398 00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:04,719 Speaker 1: don't do that. And it's because I'm a channeler right 399 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:07,120 Speaker 1: that I know that that's not true. There's no way 400 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:09,800 Speaker 1: because I'm getting these downloads directly. 401 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 2: Wait a second, So so if I'm a Carrie Carrie 402 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:17,440 Speaker 2: chairbyan is a you know, the reason I am asking 403 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:19,760 Speaker 2: you these ABC questions is because I just don't get it, 404 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:21,600 Speaker 2: Like I'm not in your world. I don't understand it. 405 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:24,640 Speaker 2: So I'm good at either. Yeah. So wait, you're telling 406 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:26,960 Speaker 2: me I can I can quote unquote say I'm a writer. 407 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:30,200 Speaker 2: I'm sitting in the room, I don't do anything, and 408 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:34,040 Speaker 2: I got percentage because if you decide to go totally 409 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:35,639 Speaker 2: different direction, I'm like, no, I was a part of 410 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:37,920 Speaker 2: the inspiration. I was the vibe. I want to get paid. 411 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:39,440 Speaker 2: People get paid that way. 412 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:43,760 Speaker 1: Had that happened to me several times? Literally where you 413 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 1: know you're publisher or your manager session, you come and 414 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:50,119 Speaker 1: we're supposed to write a song together. But I'm so 415 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:54,639 Speaker 1: fat right, A lot of times I will have to 416 00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:59,879 Speaker 1: intentionally purposely include like what do you think about this 417 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:02,919 Speaker 1: because it's not it's almost like, you know, like when 418 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:05,880 Speaker 1: you're watching tennis and it's just going back, but you're 419 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:08,639 Speaker 1: not playing with somebody who is as fast as you, 420 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 1: so you get got to slow down, you know, and 421 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:13,760 Speaker 1: that's really annoying sometimes. 422 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, so she just said it was too slow. 423 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 1: No, seriously, like it's exactly like that, like listen, even 424 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:23,160 Speaker 1: me ready when I'm ready, like this is this isn't 425 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:25,000 Speaker 1: at the highest level, I can't slow down for you. 426 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 2: And so. 427 00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:31,640 Speaker 1: I've had moments where I'm going so fast and it's 428 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 1: just coming. It's coming that Literally the co writer is 429 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:35,480 Speaker 1: sitting there like. 430 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 2: How is she doing this? 431 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 1: And they've you know how many times have I heard that? 432 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:44,960 Speaker 1: You just did you write that? Right now? I'm like yeah, 433 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:50,159 Speaker 1: you know yeah, And then they submit this splits afterwards 434 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:52,080 Speaker 1: and it'll be like twenty five percent. 435 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:55,720 Speaker 2: It's like, what girl waiting? 436 00:23:56,240 --> 00:24:00,280 Speaker 1: You can you can't negotiate that, correct? I mean in 437 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:03,440 Speaker 1: the beginning, now I can. Now I'll just because I'm 438 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:05,440 Speaker 1: willing to walk away. I'm just like, oh, you know what, 439 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:09,720 Speaker 1: throw the whole song away. Help here. But in the beginning, 440 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:12,680 Speaker 1: I had to be strategic, right because if it was 441 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:15,119 Speaker 1: like a Mariah Carey or Madonna. 442 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:17,160 Speaker 2: Right. I want that placement. 443 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:21,520 Speaker 1: I want that credit because it only it expands my brand, 444 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:28,000 Speaker 1: right and expands my network. And so sometimes I've taken 445 00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:30,320 Speaker 1: it on the chin just so that I could get 446 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:32,399 Speaker 1: that credit because a lot of those artists I do, 447 00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:34,760 Speaker 1: legacy artists, they don't play that like you if you 448 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 1: if you don't get splited together, they won't use the 449 00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 1: song because they don't want anybody coming back later and 450 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:43,760 Speaker 1: try to claim anything and you know, hold up money. 451 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:49,720 Speaker 1: So I had to, you know, be flexible in the 452 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:53,480 Speaker 1: past in order to gain a certain amount of uh 453 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:57,320 Speaker 1: status as a writer with the credits that I earned. 454 00:24:57,880 --> 00:24:59,879 Speaker 1: But now I don't do that and people be as 455 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:04,440 Speaker 1: for publishing managers and artists like just to sing the song. 456 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:08,240 Speaker 1: No judgment to people who do that, who allow that 457 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 1: to happen, but that's not a boundary that I can 458 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:13,760 Speaker 1: allow to be you know, moved. 459 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:17,600 Speaker 2: In my case, I can't do it. I'm I'm even 460 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:22,280 Speaker 2: more curious because I get what you're saying. Yes, Mariah, yeah, Madonna, 461 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:24,520 Speaker 2: I'm not pushing back on that. I get the end goal. 462 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:25,920 Speaker 2: It's a part of the end goal to get you 463 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:27,360 Speaker 2: where this is a part of the journey to get 464 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:33,040 Speaker 2: you where you want to be when you wow. So 465 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:36,520 Speaker 2: when you have to sit in a situation that is 466 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:40,200 Speaker 2: uncomfortable at this point of your career, you can walk away. 467 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:44,520 Speaker 2: There there are fewer they are exceptionals now walk away. 468 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:49,560 Speaker 1: I just don't, like, I mean, even before I'm really 469 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:55,280 Speaker 1: I have I have exercised the muscle of my intuition 470 00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:59,400 Speaker 1: and my inner voice right to where when an opportunity 471 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:03,240 Speaker 1: is presented to me, immediately I check in with my 472 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:05,720 Speaker 1: gut and if I you know, like you might see 473 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:11,200 Speaker 1: me go and immediately if I feel any sort of 474 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:16,440 Speaker 1: dread or hesitation, I'll be like, I'm not sure about 475 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:17,639 Speaker 1: that one, let me think about it. 476 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:21,920 Speaker 2: Or I'll be like, let's wait for like a week 477 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:22,280 Speaker 2: or two. 478 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:26,760 Speaker 1: When usually those things end up being like God the bullet, 479 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:33,160 Speaker 1: because there's things that you don't know, right, and who knows? 480 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:36,880 Speaker 1: God knows you know you are a part of him, 481 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,119 Speaker 1: and like just like your pinky is a part of 482 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:42,639 Speaker 1: your body, you're a part of the overall and you 483 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:47,479 Speaker 1: have access to the plans and the thoughts of your collaborators, right, 484 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:49,879 Speaker 1: and so I believe that we're all connected and if 485 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,600 Speaker 1: you just take a tiny second to just tap in and. 486 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:54,680 Speaker 2: Be like, should do that? Is that a good idea? 487 00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:57,280 Speaker 1: Is that for my highest good? You know? Does that 488 00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:59,840 Speaker 1: take me in the direction that I ultimately want to go? 489 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:03,080 Speaker 1: And you'll get a nudge, you'll get like a I'll 490 00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:05,119 Speaker 1: do that, or you'll get like a little flutter at 491 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:07,160 Speaker 1: least that's what I did. I get like a little 492 00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:09,400 Speaker 1: like you know, and I have the ooh, that sounds fun. 493 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,600 Speaker 1: Most of the time those experiences are the best ones. 494 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:14,720 Speaker 1: So I've learned to really trust that. 495 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,840 Speaker 2: It's almost like the best way to start out. 496 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:20,399 Speaker 1: And I get this example, like, have you ever been 497 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:25,600 Speaker 1: running laid or waiting out the door and something tells 498 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:29,960 Speaker 1: you grab a jacket, grab a jacket and you don't 499 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:31,040 Speaker 1: do it, and then you be. 500 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:35,800 Speaker 2: Cold, you know, So just start there, Start with that small, 501 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:36,400 Speaker 2: simple thing. 502 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:36,720 Speaker 3: You know. 503 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:39,280 Speaker 1: Sometimes I'm walking through my house and you're ready to leave, 504 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:42,880 Speaker 1: and I'll look at something and I'll have the urge 505 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:44,159 Speaker 1: to just pick it up and get you with me, 506 00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:47,120 Speaker 1: like a notebook or a pen or something, and I'll 507 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:49,000 Speaker 1: end up needing it later on in the day, or 508 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:51,480 Speaker 1: i might need it the next day or something like that. 509 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:55,680 Speaker 1: So I've really taken the time to just listen to 510 00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:58,720 Speaker 1: that small, still voice and become super familiar with. 511 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:04,520 Speaker 2: They're a songwriter, artist that you like in yourself too, 512 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:07,840 Speaker 2: or that you admire that the way in which they've 513 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:11,440 Speaker 2: been able to create their own and build in this industry, 514 00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:14,960 Speaker 2: that that is. Someone say that's the north Star. I 515 00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:17,920 Speaker 2: like for me, it's Oprah Like Auntie Oaps is my 516 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:19,840 Speaker 2: g I'm like, we can do we can do no 517 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:23,240 Speaker 2: love that Auntie Oaps can do no wrong. So someone's 518 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:25,040 Speaker 2: talking about her, I'm like, I don't care slander, I 519 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,439 Speaker 2: don't want to hear it. I love her. Is there 520 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:30,520 Speaker 2: someone who is your Auntie Ops? If you will? I 521 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:31,200 Speaker 2: have a few. 522 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,639 Speaker 1: I was just watching some of those leaked clips of 523 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:39,560 Speaker 1: the Kanye unreleased footage, and I'm just like, sometimes it 524 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,600 Speaker 1: scares me because I hear him talking and a lot 525 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:44,760 Speaker 1: of the things that he says I can relate to, 526 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,080 Speaker 1: and I feel such a connection with him and just 527 00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:53,280 Speaker 1: how larger than life he is and how much impact 528 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:55,640 Speaker 1: he has had his passion for music. 529 00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:58,320 Speaker 2: Even when Genius came out. 530 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:01,680 Speaker 1: A few of my peers called me and were like, Yo, 531 00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:03,600 Speaker 1: why can that documentary? 532 00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:05,680 Speaker 2: All I could think about was you. 533 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,320 Speaker 1: You know, you remind me so much, and he's one 534 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:13,080 Speaker 1: of my favorite creators in the world, like whether it's fashion, furniture, 535 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:15,840 Speaker 1: or mass Yes, by the way, Yeah, so I would 536 00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:19,120 Speaker 1: say I would say Kanye don't as far as like. 537 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:24,000 Speaker 2: Because he's dope. Well, I mean, you know, likes he does. 538 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:30,040 Speaker 1: Say things sometimes that are very free thinking and against 539 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:31,720 Speaker 1: what the general population may. 540 00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:34,120 Speaker 2: Believe or may be you know, ready to hear. 541 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:37,280 Speaker 1: And so you know that part is kind of just 542 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:46,240 Speaker 1: like hopefully he's okay, but artistically absolutely fashion you know, 543 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 1: just his vision. 544 00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:52,160 Speaker 2: Absolutely Kanye, he's okay. So I say that all the time. 545 00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:55,440 Speaker 2: I love Kanye is as as narrated as some very 546 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,760 Speaker 2: significant portions of my life, like I he is, and 547 00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:02,400 Speaker 2: I'm able to separate the artists from the person sometimes 548 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:04,840 Speaker 2: from the arts from the artists like some things. Yeah, 549 00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:07,880 Speaker 2: I don't fool with you with there, but as an artist, 550 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:09,480 Speaker 2: no one could deny our talent. 551 00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:11,880 Speaker 1: And you're talking about that documentary. What I mean, he's 552 00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:15,480 Speaker 1: a genius, Like he really really is. I think that's part, 553 00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:17,960 Speaker 1: Like you know, sometimes we don't agree, you know, and 554 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,000 Speaker 1: it's not just limited to Kanye, right, Sometimes I was 555 00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:22,120 Speaker 1: just saying this. I'm not gonna say no, but sometimes 556 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:23,640 Speaker 1: you fall in love with an artist and you start 557 00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:28,120 Speaker 1: hearing them talk and he's like, yeah, I wish you 558 00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:31,360 Speaker 1: didn't talk like, you know, we don't have the same 559 00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:36,400 Speaker 1: views politically, or you know, there may be like certain misogynistic, 560 00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:39,360 Speaker 1: patriarchal things that you believe in that are just like 561 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:43,000 Speaker 1: why would you say that? You know, But again, you know, 562 00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:46,440 Speaker 1: everybody's here for their own journey and everybody has freedom 563 00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:49,800 Speaker 1: of expression. I really try to just objectively observe and 564 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:52,640 Speaker 1: that keeps you a lot of stress free, you know, 565 00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:55,800 Speaker 1: just kind of be like, oh that's how do you 566 00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:59,440 Speaker 1: feel about that? Okay, cool, you know, and just have 567 00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:05,280 Speaker 1: no o thing. You just like observe, right. But yeah, artistically, 568 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:11,640 Speaker 1: man is definitely Kanye. I love Michael Jackson, Jeded Jackson, Aliyah. 569 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:15,760 Speaker 1: These are people who just inspired me to want to 570 00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:17,959 Speaker 1: do music and you know, a yeah, I remember being 571 00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:22,240 Speaker 1: glued to the television watching their videos and their live shows. 572 00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:26,280 Speaker 2: So yeah, those people for me. Oh those that's a 573 00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:30,080 Speaker 2: great list. That's a great list. I mean, with that list, 574 00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:32,320 Speaker 2: let me ask you minus Alea because we didn't really 575 00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:34,080 Speaker 2: get to know her. She was gone. I think way 576 00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:36,000 Speaker 2: too soon and way too young, so we didn't get 577 00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:38,600 Speaker 2: to know her as I think a woman like a 578 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:42,280 Speaker 2: full grown woman in a lot of ways. But when 579 00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,840 Speaker 2: you think of that list and now we watch those 580 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,719 Speaker 2: artists grow up in front of us, literally all of them, 581 00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:51,920 Speaker 2: what do they have in common with you? 582 00:31:56,680 --> 00:32:03,720 Speaker 1: I would say, just like the musical choices, fearlessness, willingness 583 00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:06,880 Speaker 1: to be themselves, you know, I think that's what draws 584 00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:11,920 Speaker 1: me to a Michael or Conner and a Channon as 585 00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:16,080 Speaker 1: far as like pushing boundaries a lot of times, you know, 586 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:19,640 Speaker 1: because you may or may not yet be established, you know, 587 00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:21,760 Speaker 1: as I reference before, people will look at you and 588 00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:24,960 Speaker 1: be like, who do you think you are? You know, 589 00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:28,200 Speaker 1: who are you to have that sort of confidence and 590 00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:31,120 Speaker 1: be so sure that you're going to do these things right? 591 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:34,160 Speaker 1: And it isn't until after you do them that people's 592 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:38,760 Speaker 1: perspective if you change it, and in the moment you 593 00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,280 Speaker 1: may be unsure. But then for me, I watch a 594 00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:45,560 Speaker 1: documentary or I see a little sixty second clip on 595 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,200 Speaker 1: TikTok or on Instagram, and it is very much in 596 00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:52,560 Speaker 1: alignment with how I think, and you know, has value 597 00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:56,280 Speaker 1: these and principles that I would buy and so it's 598 00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:58,360 Speaker 1: just like constantly. 599 00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:01,280 Speaker 2: You know, I might drift a little bit. 600 00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:03,479 Speaker 1: But you're like, oh, I don't know, maybe this isn't good. 601 00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:05,880 Speaker 1: And then I see something it was Nope, yeah, back 602 00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:09,840 Speaker 1: on direct, You're good, you know. And so I think 603 00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:14,040 Speaker 1: I like to do something called frequency matching, which is like, 604 00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:16,720 Speaker 1: there are people who are where I want to be 605 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:18,680 Speaker 1: or who I've gone where I want to go, and 606 00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:22,800 Speaker 1: I just go and watch them and you know, align 607 00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:26,560 Speaker 1: myself with that frequency. So what I'll do is yourself 608 00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:28,520 Speaker 1: letting me what would that feel like? Man? That must 609 00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:31,479 Speaker 1: be amazing, you know, like when I go to a concert, 610 00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:34,280 Speaker 1: I don't just sit there and watch. I'm just like, Wow, 611 00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:35,000 Speaker 1: this is amazing. 612 00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:35,800 Speaker 2: I love this for me. 613 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:38,880 Speaker 1: This is for me, like you know, and try to 614 00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:44,240 Speaker 1: elevate my my thinking, my acceptance, and my ability to 615 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:49,400 Speaker 1: receive moments like that. And so I think I'm purposely 616 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:53,440 Speaker 1: aligning myself with these people. Like maybe five years ago 617 00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:55,719 Speaker 1: I didn't have anything in common with them, but now 618 00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:59,760 Speaker 1: I do because I intentionally watch them and see what 619 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,040 Speaker 1: they're doing and how they're speaking, and who they're working, 620 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,440 Speaker 1: what it takes to be It's gigantic. 621 00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:09,040 Speaker 2: Hey, y'all, it's that time again. We got to take 622 00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:10,839 Speaker 2: a quick break. This one's really quick, but you can 623 00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:12,600 Speaker 2: still fast forward through it. We'll be right back in 624 00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:14,520 Speaker 2: just a few moments with Money Long. 625 00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:17,680 Speaker 3: Every Champion and carry Champions to be a champion, a 626 00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:20,400 Speaker 3: Champion and carry Champion and Cary chat be out a 627 00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:24,919 Speaker 3: Champion and carry Champion and carry chats and entertainment getting 628 00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:33,400 Speaker 3: naked work, Kerry Champion and carry Champions, to be a champion, 629 00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:37,880 Speaker 3: a Champion and carry Champion, the Champion and carry Champion 630 00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:41,320 Speaker 3: and Cary Champion entertainment getting naked. 631 00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:44,600 Speaker 2: Word, y'all should do me a favorite. I also post 632 00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:48,160 Speaker 2: the YouTube clips at Carrie Champion, So go chi with 633 00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:52,040 Speaker 2: the YouTube click because Money Long's hair is bombed anyway, 634 00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:56,399 Speaker 2: I digress. She's back with more gems. Hope y'all enjoy. 635 00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:03,400 Speaker 2: I had two correct me if I'm wrong solo epiece 636 00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:06,280 Speaker 2: before this latest single. Is that accurate? 637 00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:06,480 Speaker 1: Man? 638 00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:10,880 Speaker 2: I wonder if you could walk me through what you 639 00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:14,480 Speaker 2: put out before and what this latest single is now. 640 00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,360 Speaker 2: Is there a difference in the messaging. Is there a 641 00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:20,000 Speaker 2: difference in your voice? Is there a difference in the 642 00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:23,239 Speaker 2: frequency your word? That means? I want to make sure 643 00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:25,719 Speaker 2: that I'm being accurate. Yes. 644 00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:28,640 Speaker 1: So I was independent for two years before I partnered 645 00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:34,280 Speaker 1: with Depth Chain, and I actually put out three epi's 646 00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:39,640 Speaker 1: one which I still own fully, and that was sort 647 00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:42,120 Speaker 1: of like me finding my voice, figuring out how I 648 00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:45,719 Speaker 1: wanted to present myself. What does money long look like? 649 00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:47,399 Speaker 1: What does she feel like? You know, like the words 650 00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,320 Speaker 1: you use, texture and what is my what is the texture? 651 00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:55,120 Speaker 1: What's my aesthetic? Just figuring out like how I wanted 652 00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:57,000 Speaker 1: to present myself. And it was in the mid like 653 00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:02,040 Speaker 1: literally in the middle of the pandemic. Everyone I wanted 654 00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:05,160 Speaker 1: to work with was available, was slightly more expensive because 655 00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:09,759 Speaker 1: we have to have COVID, you know, protocol. And so 656 00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:14,520 Speaker 1: at first EP I was discovering how I want to sing, 657 00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:17,480 Speaker 1: you know, do I want to have a soft voice? 658 00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:19,520 Speaker 1: Do I want to build? Don't want to be sexy? 659 00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:22,080 Speaker 1: Do I want to sound like a rapper? And so 660 00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:24,920 Speaker 1: I did a bit of all of that on the 661 00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:28,919 Speaker 1: first EP and then the second one was a little 662 00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:31,520 Speaker 1: bit more, you know, I branched out a little bit 663 00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:34,840 Speaker 1: more with the sound choices and the topics that I 664 00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:37,279 Speaker 1: talked about. I was a little bit more slip tongue 665 00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:40,880 Speaker 1: with the stories and some of the things that I 666 00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:42,360 Speaker 1: was discussing, and. 667 00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:47,359 Speaker 2: Then the third one I was, you know, I'm a lover. 668 00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:48,520 Speaker 2: I love love. 669 00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:52,400 Speaker 1: I think I said that already, and so I think 670 00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:54,080 Speaker 1: the common thread through all of them, and they're about 671 00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:57,480 Speaker 1: like relationships and even loving yourself and things like that. 672 00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:02,040 Speaker 1: And so this third one was really about love. And 673 00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:05,800 Speaker 1: then I actually made three different versions of it. So 674 00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:08,120 Speaker 1: it was the first one which was like seven songs, 675 00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:10,960 Speaker 1: and I did a second one which was like eight, 676 00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:13,960 Speaker 1: and then I added five more and put all together, 677 00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:18,040 Speaker 1: so it turned out to be eighteen songs. And I 678 00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:20,960 Speaker 1: didn't know which one was going to do anything. I mean, 679 00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:25,280 Speaker 1: we had our guesses. I just shot videos for everything 680 00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:29,920 Speaker 1: and go and behold hours and hours just exploded and 681 00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:33,920 Speaker 1: then you know, I hope you can continue. Thank you. 682 00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:38,000 Speaker 2: And that's a huge and exploded. It's like an under 683 00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:40,920 Speaker 2: cell of it. That's huge. To be nominated and to win, 684 00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:43,080 Speaker 2: it's huge, it's huge. It's huge. 685 00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:46,200 Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, to be a black woman in the 686 00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:51,359 Speaker 1: fourth quarter independent, you know, over the age that people 687 00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:56,200 Speaker 1: would generally say should be mainstream. Right, So I'm thirty five, 688 00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:59,560 Speaker 1: and I know people don't necessarily think you're viable any 689 00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:05,000 Speaker 1: certain age, which is it's so silk right, But I 690 00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:09,600 Speaker 1: did literally had every check every box that normally people 691 00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:13,680 Speaker 1: would say, hell no, absolutely notice it's not gonna work. 692 00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:18,160 Speaker 1: And not only did I have like this gigantic splash, 693 00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:23,799 Speaker 1: I denominated for three Grammys as an independent artist. That's 694 00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:26,640 Speaker 1: that's crazy. And one of them was Best New Artists, 695 00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:31,120 Speaker 1: which is like such a coveted, you know category, so 696 00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:33,640 Speaker 1: to be known as like, you know, you're you're one 697 00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:37,759 Speaker 1: of the best expressions this year out of all the 698 00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:40,080 Speaker 1: music that comes out me. I think they said there's 699 00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:44,920 Speaker 1: like thirty thousand new songs of a day, something crazy 700 00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:45,239 Speaker 1: like that. 701 00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:49,080 Speaker 2: Give me chills, give me killed chill, chills, like my arms. 702 00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:51,560 Speaker 2: I'm like, good for you. That's just put it in 703 00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:55,000 Speaker 2: context and sell that. Don't underseller. That's a that's bold. 704 00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:58,560 Speaker 2: Let me leave with that thirty thousand artists today somewhere 705 00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:00,759 Speaker 2: and then you tros something like that or a week. 706 00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:03,759 Speaker 2: It's a lot. It's a lot, like to be able 707 00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:05,799 Speaker 2: to narrow it down, you know what I mean. It's 708 00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:08,560 Speaker 2: it's like it's like watching TV. There's so much content 709 00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:10,279 Speaker 2: out there. How do you find what you're gonna watch? 710 00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:12,000 Speaker 2: How do you find the good stuff, Brandon. 711 00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:17,320 Speaker 1: I think I pay attention to the people, like what 712 00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:21,520 Speaker 1: they're saying, and feedback that that instant bio feedback is priceless. 713 00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:23,640 Speaker 1: When you put something out and it's not good, they 714 00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:26,200 Speaker 1: want to let you know. And I think, you know, 715 00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:29,200 Speaker 1: being a songwriter for so long, it doesn't hurt my 716 00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:32,040 Speaker 1: feelings because the only bad that I believe, the only 717 00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:34,320 Speaker 1: bad ideas. And when you don't say out loud, you 718 00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:38,400 Speaker 1: don't share, and so I take direction very well. If 719 00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:41,320 Speaker 1: somebody is like, don't do that again, you know, I 720 00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:44,799 Speaker 1: may or may not do it again. I just really 721 00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:48,120 Speaker 1: believe that it's an interactive experience, right because I'm not 722 00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:49,720 Speaker 1: making the music just for myself. 723 00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:50,719 Speaker 2: I want you to consume it. 724 00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:55,040 Speaker 1: So after I channelate and record it and make it 725 00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:57,120 Speaker 1: all pretty and take my pictures and shoot my videos, 726 00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:00,800 Speaker 1: the rest is up to y'all. I love it, So 727 00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:04,000 Speaker 1: talk to me as that inclosing, because I went aroundabout 728 00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:06,239 Speaker 1: way to get a good feel of who you are, 729 00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:08,359 Speaker 1: and I feel it. So I appreciate you for being 730 00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:09,600 Speaker 1: so candid and so honest. 731 00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:12,080 Speaker 2: It's hard. It's hard for people to do that in general. 732 00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:15,479 Speaker 2: This latest single, what do you want the people to feel? 733 00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:17,320 Speaker 2: What do you want them to take away from it? 734 00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:19,240 Speaker 2: What was your headspace from writing? 735 00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:24,640 Speaker 1: I think I would love for people to hear my 736 00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:30,359 Speaker 1: music and be inspired to just love, not be too cool. 737 00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:34,360 Speaker 1: You like somebody, call them you know you're not being thirsty, 738 00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:37,600 Speaker 1: and I simpen if you miss someone, tell them, right. 739 00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:41,840 Speaker 2: I think we need love right now, in this. 740 00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:45,320 Speaker 1: Time, in this generation, or so much crazy foolishness happening 741 00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:48,400 Speaker 1: and people arguing and like take me out of the 742 00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:51,080 Speaker 1: group jet police. I do not want to see you know, 743 00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:54,640 Speaker 1: your screenshots of you talking crazy to your significant others. 744 00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:57,000 Speaker 1: Just it really hurts my heart, Like I don't like 745 00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:59,879 Speaker 1: people get hurt, like the fighting video. 746 00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:02,440 Speaker 2: Just I just don't like it, you know. 747 00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:06,560 Speaker 1: And so my offering is of love, and that's what 748 00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:09,800 Speaker 1: the song is about. It could apply in any situation, 749 00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:11,640 Speaker 1: even though a lot of people are saying like, oh 750 00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:13,279 Speaker 1: my god, this is gonna be the next big wedding song, 751 00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:16,480 Speaker 1: which I received that yes, hope that happens me very much. 752 00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:18,800 Speaker 1: And it could be about the love between you and 753 00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:21,439 Speaker 1: your mother, the love between you and you know, your pet, 754 00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:25,520 Speaker 1: your your children, you know, your best friend, your sister. 755 00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:30,120 Speaker 1: It's just about feeling like you have a genuine, genuine 756 00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:33,080 Speaker 1: connection with someone like where have you been? 757 00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:33,960 Speaker 2: All my life? 758 00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:36,600 Speaker 1: And I'm sure everyone has had that at least one 759 00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:39,800 Speaker 1: time in their life with a friend, a brother, a colleague. 760 00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:43,839 Speaker 1: I just want to spread love, man, that's my ultimate goal. 761 00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:47,759 Speaker 2: Ding man, I want to spread love. Okay, I like it. 762 00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:51,239 Speaker 2: I received it. Money long. You've been a pleasure, and 763 00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:53,600 Speaker 2: I appreciate you for taking your time and being here 764 00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:54,440 Speaker 2: and being so patient. 765 00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:55,440 Speaker 1: Thank you for having me. 766 00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:59,959 Speaker 2: Really, I mean, you're really be really honest and true 767 00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:04,480 Speaker 2: like some people are no naked. So yes, yeah, but 768 00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:07,200 Speaker 2: you are a knower. There's doers and knowers, and you 769 00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:10,200 Speaker 2: have both, so that's great. That's the way I term it. 770 00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:14,520 Speaker 2: Thank you again, good luck with everything. I am sure 771 00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:16,200 Speaker 2: that I will talk to you down the road at 772 00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:20,080 Speaker 2: in a different capacity on all your success and continued success. 773 00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:23,800 Speaker 2: I appreciate yeah, thank you so much much. I was 774 00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:26,840 Speaker 2: told a long time ago that people who are extremely 775 00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:30,960 Speaker 2: confident are knowers, and as a result, they become doers, 776 00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:35,000 Speaker 2: meaning if you know what your purpose is, you move accordingly. 777 00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:39,200 Speaker 2: If you know your value, you move accordingly. If you 778 00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:43,800 Speaker 2: know that something just isn't right, you learn and adapt 779 00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:47,399 Speaker 2: to speak up for yourself and people will say, yes, 780 00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:50,440 Speaker 2: you're difficult, and money Long says people have said that 781 00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:54,600 Speaker 2: about her as well, But I refuse that label because 782 00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:56,719 Speaker 2: I can relate to that. I refuse to hear that 783 00:42:56,800 --> 00:43:00,720 Speaker 2: I'm difficult and those who know what they want, for instance, 784 00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:02,160 Speaker 2: I know what I want, I know how I want 785 00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:04,680 Speaker 2: to move, I know how I want to be perceived, 786 00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:08,279 Speaker 2: I know my truth. Those are all qualities that are rare. 787 00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:12,960 Speaker 2: Those are all qualities that are rare in an industry, 788 00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:15,759 Speaker 2: in a world that wants you to be a copycat. 789 00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:18,279 Speaker 2: I want to learn from her today. As I looked 790 00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:20,239 Speaker 2: at her, she talked about her visions and what she 791 00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:23,239 Speaker 2: wants to do. I learned quickly that she was a 792 00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:27,160 Speaker 2: no and that no matter what, she wouldn't compromise. There 793 00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:30,080 Speaker 2: are parts of us who have to obviously look at 794 00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:35,600 Speaker 2: the bigger picture, respect the end game. But I don't 795 00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:39,200 Speaker 2: see money Long as someone who compromises often in her 796 00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:41,400 Speaker 2: belief in her art, in her work, and being an 797 00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:44,560 Speaker 2: advocate as an artist in this industry. I hope you 798 00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:47,720 Speaker 2: guys sense that. To me, that's a really huge lesson 799 00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:52,200 Speaker 2: to be motivated to believe in someone, to understand their vision, 800 00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:55,440 Speaker 2: to believe in their purpose and root for them. That's 801 00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:57,320 Speaker 2: how I felt at the end of this interview. I 802 00:43:57,480 --> 00:43:59,640 Speaker 2: was like, I root for her. I want her to 803 00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:03,920 Speaker 2: win because she's doing it differently and she's unapologetically different. 804 00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:09,000 Speaker 2: With that being said, make sure you support her latest single, 805 00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:12,880 Speaker 2: Ladies and Gentlemen Made for Me. Download it wherever you 806 00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:17,600 Speaker 2: get your songs Spotify, Amazon, Apple, the list goes on 807 00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:20,759 Speaker 2: and on, but support her. Artists like that truly need 808 00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:24,480 Speaker 2: to have our backing. And with that said, I appreciate 809 00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:29,160 Speaker 2: money Long for coming on the podcast today. A personal 810 00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:31,600 Speaker 2: update for all of you folks who listen to the 811 00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:34,680 Speaker 2: podcast day in and day out, I want to tell 812 00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:38,160 Speaker 2: you something. I have been able to have some really 813 00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:42,160 Speaker 2: interesting guests these last few weeks, and every single one 814 00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:45,080 Speaker 2: of the guests I feel are in alignment with life 815 00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:50,040 Speaker 2: and vision. Beth A Hartisan, a godmother of fashion, Money 816 00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:54,120 Speaker 2: Long Today an unapologetic artist, Stephen with Lindaz, someone who 817 00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:58,239 Speaker 2: truly was able to take art, as in dancing, and 818 00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:00,279 Speaker 2: turn it into his own world where he he can 819 00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:03,160 Speaker 2: help advocate for kids who are homeless. All of these 820 00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:08,120 Speaker 2: people are truly inspiring and it just reminds me the 821 00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:10,680 Speaker 2: vision of the purpose, and I hope you all feel 822 00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:12,759 Speaker 2: that way too. Whatever you're going through in life, whatever 823 00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:16,760 Speaker 2: you want to do in your personal and professional life, 824 00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:20,319 Speaker 2: be motivated by these people who share their stories. There's 825 00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:23,359 Speaker 2: a reason why they are who they are, whether you've 826 00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:27,240 Speaker 2: heard of them or not. It takes someone really special 827 00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:30,040 Speaker 2: to see a vision follow through, and I've been able 828 00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:33,040 Speaker 2: to bring that to you with these wonderful artists in 829 00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:39,160 Speaker 2: front of the camera, behind the scenes, dancers, singers, fashion icons. 830 00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:41,320 Speaker 2: The list goes on and on. I'm really proud of 831 00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:43,120 Speaker 2: what we're doing here with Naked, and I hope you 832 00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:46,000 Speaker 2: are too. Thank you for tuning in, and we'll talk 833 00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:46,759 Speaker 2: to you next week.