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Man, it's been raining all day long 0:04:46.800 --> 0:04:50.960 at the Global Headquarters. Um, it's been rained all day long. 0:04:51.640 --> 0:04:54.840 And uh look who showed up when it started to rain. 0:04:55.080 --> 0:04:59.560 James Brandenberg once again. The last podcast that James was on, 0:05:00.240 --> 0:05:04.200 we were fighting the pitter patter of rain drops on 0:05:04.640 --> 0:05:10.120 a you know, uh, I call it canopy canopy Yeah, 0:05:10.279 --> 0:05:11.960 for some reason, I couldn't think of that word, and 0:05:12.040 --> 0:05:15.760 awning at Turkey Camp. But the Global Headquarters roof is 0:05:15.800 --> 0:05:19.200 a little bit better, even though I will have you 0:05:19.240 --> 0:05:22.039 both know. And if you'll look up to the right 0:05:22.320 --> 0:05:25.560 up there in the very peak corner, you will see 0:05:25.760 --> 0:05:28.159 what appears to be just like a little bit of 0:05:28.640 --> 0:05:32.520 fibery glass insulation. Did you see that? That is a 0:05:32.560 --> 0:05:35.919 squirrel that has chewed through the sheet rock and is 0:05:35.920 --> 0:05:38.320 trying to break into this place. It doesn't seem like 0:05:38.360 --> 0:05:40.360 a very smart squirrel. Does he know what goes on 0:05:40.400 --> 0:05:45.760 around here? Exactly sixteen feet to the east of that 0:05:45.880 --> 0:05:49.919 squirrel hole is a little squirrel dog named Tess that 0:05:50.000 --> 0:05:53.600 would just erupt. So anyway, we're at the Global Headquarters 0:05:53.640 --> 0:05:56.880 and it's raining, and we got squirrel problems, and James 0:05:56.880 --> 0:06:02.400 Brandenberg is here. James Brandenburg, Um back country hunters and anglers. Yep, 0:06:02.560 --> 0:06:06.479 still yep, still still kicking it. Yep. All right. We 0:06:06.600 --> 0:06:11.400 got Colby moorehead. Colby, like me, is needing a quarantine haircut. James, 0:06:11.400 --> 0:06:14.080 your hair looks pretty good one last weekend. You've always 0:06:14.120 --> 0:06:17.640 needed a haircut every day. Brent has a head of 0:06:17.680 --> 0:06:24.719 hair like a nineteen forties football helmet. You can't shoot 0:06:24.720 --> 0:06:31.719 a baby gun. Uh No, So Colby borehead. Yeah looking good, flame, 0:06:32.120 --> 0:06:34.200 Yeah good, you look good man. It makes me look 0:06:34.240 --> 0:06:39.000 faster when I'm on my bike or something like yeah. Uh. 0:06:39.200 --> 0:06:41.279 And then to my right. I don't know if you 0:06:41.279 --> 0:06:43.560 can hear the thunder, but it is thundering. I have 0:06:43.760 --> 0:06:48.640 Brent Reeves, So Brent hey, from Brent, Hey, from Brent, 0:06:48.760 --> 0:06:50.880 good to see it. Hey, what we're gonna talk about today? 0:06:50.920 --> 0:06:53.679 This is uh. Usually when James is here, we're having 0:06:53.720 --> 0:06:57.320 some like topic driven podcast. So you know, there's a 0:06:57.320 --> 0:06:59.520 lot of different kind of podcasts in the world. You 0:06:59.600 --> 0:07:04.960 have the short, punchy, topic driven just like where people 0:07:05.120 --> 0:07:07.960 like they just basically pretend like they're not friends. It's 0:07:07.960 --> 0:07:10.520 just like, I don't care about your family, your life, 0:07:10.560 --> 0:07:12.520 or who you are. We're gonna talk about the facts. 0:07:13.480 --> 0:07:18.160 This is not that podcast. But sometimes we shift gears 0:07:18.200 --> 0:07:21.280 to where we're a little bit more topic driven, so 0:07:21.360 --> 0:07:25.320 we're we're like trying to accomplish a very specific goal, 0:07:25.920 --> 0:07:29.400 and that would be this kind of podcast today. Yeah, 0:07:29.520 --> 0:07:32.320 and so what we're gonna talk about is uh, and 0:07:32.400 --> 0:07:35.240 James is gonna give us a little a little backstory 0:07:35.280 --> 0:07:40.120 info of why, but basically how not to be a 0:07:40.200 --> 0:07:45.920 knuckle head when hunting public land. That's right, because what 0:07:45.920 --> 0:07:50.520 what I've realized, what James is realized, what Brents realized, COVID, 0:07:50.600 --> 0:07:52.240 we've all realized that we all know it, but we're 0:07:52.240 --> 0:07:56.679 all at different levels of experienced hunting public land. Um, 0:07:56.800 --> 0:08:00.160 is that there's a very long list of un and 0:08:00.360 --> 0:08:03.880 rules that are very important. And let me begin by 0:08:03.880 --> 0:08:07.000 saying before I asked James to say talk about kind 0:08:07.000 --> 0:08:09.680 of the quarantine and kind of just the idea that 0:08:10.600 --> 0:08:14.960 of and I'll let him say that. But there's zero rules. 0:08:15.320 --> 0:08:17.440 I mean, like if you're a hunter, if you're a 0:08:17.480 --> 0:08:20.920 new hunter, you buy a hunting license and you're not 0:08:21.000 --> 0:08:23.840 a convicted felon, and you can carry a firearm, and 0:08:23.880 --> 0:08:27.440 it's hunting season, you go into the woods in public land, 0:08:28.240 --> 0:08:31.320 it would probably be in your best interests to kill game. 0:08:31.600 --> 0:08:34.640 To follow the best hunter that you know literally to 0:08:34.800 --> 0:08:40.400 his standard, run him off. I think that's a hunting 0:08:40.400 --> 0:08:44.440 strategy that some guys has. Run him off, offend him 0:08:44.480 --> 0:08:46.760 so much that he's perturbed, and go somewhere else and 0:08:46.760 --> 0:08:50.240 then hunt in his stand. He would have broken zero laws, 0:08:50.720 --> 0:08:55.480 zero zero laws. But in fact, that is exactly the 0:08:55.559 --> 0:08:58.679 opposite of what you need to do if you desire 0:08:58.720 --> 0:09:03.000 to be a functional, normal human in modern times. Do 0:09:03.040 --> 0:09:06.800 you want to be invited back in a quotes or 0:09:06.800 --> 0:09:13.680 if you want to live? No. But it's kind of 0:09:13.720 --> 0:09:16.920 interesting when you think about it, because there there there's 0:09:16.960 --> 0:09:19.800 no I mean, like the Forest Service, the Arkansas Game 0:09:19.800 --> 0:09:23.120 of Fish Commission, the commission of your state does not 0:09:23.400 --> 0:09:27.960 have a list of laws that you know ethical law, 0:09:28.120 --> 0:09:32.520 you know social ethical parameters for how people that own 0:09:32.600 --> 0:09:34.959 the same amount of in no matter how long you've 0:09:34.960 --> 0:09:38.120 been hunting down at by Meat and Brent, I've never 0:09:38.880 --> 0:09:41.000 duck hunted there one time in my life, and we 0:09:41.040 --> 0:09:43.040 show up there on the same day. We have equal 0:09:43.120 --> 0:09:47.000 rights to every square inch it, but we don't do it, 0:09:47.840 --> 0:09:52.880 I mean because we don't at all. And so that's 0:09:52.880 --> 0:09:55.160 all we're gonna talk about there. There are parcels of 0:09:55.280 --> 0:10:00.600 land in there that belong to individual people, Yeah, exact. Well, 0:10:00.720 --> 0:10:02.320 so we're gonna try to get to some like real 0:10:02.360 --> 0:10:05.680 practical stuff just like uh, you know, give some examples, 0:10:05.760 --> 0:10:08.200 like a park in your truck, how far you can 0:10:08.280 --> 0:10:10.600 hunt from someone else, what to do if you see 0:10:10.640 --> 0:10:12.520 a hunter, what to do if you see a tree stand? 0:10:12.920 --> 0:10:15.600 Can you set up a camp three days before you 0:10:15.679 --> 0:10:18.160 plan to hunt to save a spot? You know, kind 0:10:18.160 --> 0:10:20.880 of some of these like kind of unwritten rules, like 0:10:21.480 --> 0:10:23.320 what do you do if you hear another guy calling 0:10:23.360 --> 0:10:25.280 a turkey? What do you do if you walk in 0:10:25.320 --> 0:10:29.199 the woods and you find a gut pile where somebody 0:10:29.280 --> 0:10:32.040 killed a deer there yesterday? I mean, like yeah, just 0:10:32.360 --> 0:10:38.080 random stuff. But James, so what's the what's the you 0:10:38.080 --> 0:10:41.640 think more people are hunting now that there's a quarantine. Yeah. 0:10:41.679 --> 0:10:44.559 I mean, all you gotta do is a quick Google 0:10:44.600 --> 0:10:47.200 search and you can get that pulled up pretty quick. 0:10:47.840 --> 0:10:51.120 There's plenty of hard data from some of the states 0:10:51.120 --> 0:10:54.480 who have have already put out there, you know, double 0:10:54.559 --> 0:10:59.920 digit increases in license sales for you know, most recentcies 0:11:00.080 --> 0:11:06.120 be in turkeys. Um, you know, states with increases in 0:11:06.240 --> 0:11:11.679 license sales, some states seeing thirty and increases in turkey 0:11:11.800 --> 0:11:18.520 harvest year over year. States where Georgia, for example, you know, um, 0:11:19.080 --> 0:11:22.679 is it like Chamberlain was about to say the same thing. Yea, 0:11:22.800 --> 0:11:25.400 he had turkey doc He had put out that in 0:11:25.440 --> 0:11:28.720 Georgia the number of people who had taken two turkeys 0:11:28.800 --> 0:11:32.040 had increased, like I want to say, like I may 0:11:32.080 --> 0:11:36.280 have these numbers backwards somewhere in the thirties percent or 0:11:36.280 --> 0:11:38.320 maybe it's somewhere in the forties percent. And then the 0:11:38.320 --> 0:11:43.080 ones that had taken three turkeys was the other one, 0:11:41.920 --> 0:11:49.440 you know, increase, significant increase. So all of that, that's 0:11:49.440 --> 0:11:51.280 all hard data. Now all you have to do is 0:11:51.280 --> 0:11:55.760 go out and drive drive through the National Forest and 0:11:55.760 --> 0:11:59.400 and know that if you've been there before, you can 0:11:59.400 --> 0:12:01.199 see that there are more people there than what have 0:12:01.320 --> 0:12:03.120 been there. You know, I went out and did a 0:12:04.040 --> 0:12:09.080 did a loop um a few weekends ago, and you know, 0:12:09.120 --> 0:12:12.560 we were still in you know, for lack of a 0:12:12.559 --> 0:12:17.199 better term, quarantine. UM. So all the wreck areas are closed, 0:12:18.160 --> 0:12:20.920 but any of the normal spots where you're gonna see 0:12:21.000 --> 0:12:25.000 people under the bridges along creeks, you know, the wreck 0:12:25.160 --> 0:12:28.400 areas people there were dozens and dozens of cars out 0:12:28.440 --> 0:12:33.400 there and people all over the place. Um, so what 0:12:33.440 --> 0:12:36.319 does that mean? Well? Number one, what are these people 0:12:36.520 --> 0:12:40.000 new or are they reactivated? You know, the hunters, are 0:12:40.000 --> 0:12:45.440 they reactivated hunters? Are they new hunters? Um? Maybe they 0:12:45.440 --> 0:12:47.080 haven't been out there for a while, but I'll bet 0:12:47.120 --> 0:12:50.120 you there's a lot of new people out there. And 0:12:50.240 --> 0:12:52.439 we've talked before. You know, I still kind of count 0:12:52.480 --> 0:12:57.160 myself on the newer side of the scale. And UM 0:12:57.360 --> 0:12:59.560 got us to thinking, and we were kind of having 0:12:59.559 --> 0:13:04.680 a discuss us amongst our Southeast Chapter board and Jeff Jones, 0:13:04.679 --> 0:13:09.679 who's on the national board now, he had joined us 0:13:09.720 --> 0:13:12.640 for that discussion and and he said, you know, it 0:13:12.679 --> 0:13:16.480 would be great for somebody to to just talk about 0:13:16.559 --> 0:13:19.280 some of the etiquette of being out on public land 0:13:19.320 --> 0:13:21.960 and do it in a format where we can share 0:13:22.000 --> 0:13:27.040 that with people and help them to get educated. But 0:13:27.480 --> 0:13:30.320 you know, the other thing is just remind some people 0:13:30.320 --> 0:13:32.720 who have been at it all their lives that we're 0:13:32.760 --> 0:13:36.800 not born with this innate knowledge of the underwritten rules. 0:13:38.120 --> 0:13:42.400 You show some grace to people and and help them 0:13:42.679 --> 0:13:47.640 understand that, you know, hey, instead of chewing them out, 0:13:47.720 --> 0:13:49.480 you know, maybe just help explain to him that if 0:13:49.520 --> 0:13:51.559 you want to park here to hunt, maybe don't park 0:13:51.600 --> 0:13:53.920 your truck in the middle of the road or whatever. 0:13:54.000 --> 0:13:57.880 There were things not done with malice. Yeah, but sometimes 0:13:57.920 --> 0:14:01.480 it's automatically perceived as malice. Oh, I would think that 0:14:01.480 --> 0:14:04.679 would be the first thought. Yeah, some jerk has done this. 0:14:05.280 --> 0:14:07.839 But that's where the new guy comes in. He's probably 0:14:07.920 --> 0:14:10.560 not gonna think that. He's probably gonna think anything about 0:14:10.600 --> 0:14:16.800 it until you know that norm is established with him. 0:14:17.200 --> 0:14:22.360 There's there's room for interpretation. Yeah. Yeah, well, now that's 0:14:22.400 --> 0:14:26.160 that's really interesting that uh, there's so many new people 0:14:26.160 --> 0:14:31.080 in the woods and so let's just let's just jump 0:14:31.120 --> 0:14:38.920 into some examples or um, you know, to me, here's 0:14:38.920 --> 0:14:40.760 what here's the way. Here's the way we'll do this, James, 0:14:41.120 --> 0:14:43.760 is that I'll do one and we'll have a discussion 0:14:43.840 --> 0:14:47.760 and then you do one. Okay, Like I'll read one 0:14:47.800 --> 0:14:49.800 of my statements that I made that I felt like, 0:14:49.880 --> 0:14:52.000 what's kind of a good question to be answered, and 0:14:52.000 --> 0:14:54.040 then we'll just have a general discussion about it, and 0:14:54.040 --> 0:14:57.000 I think from that people can draw some conclusions and 0:14:57.040 --> 0:14:59.000 then you can jump to one of yours. Here we 0:14:59.040 --> 0:15:02.440 gotta we got about list of about probably fifteen, I 0:15:02.480 --> 0:15:05.800 don't know, twelve things here, but okay, So so here's 0:15:06.320 --> 0:15:09.920 this is a like very simple entry point level stuff. 0:15:10.480 --> 0:15:14.440 How far from a truck should you hunt when you're 0:15:14.440 --> 0:15:16.560 on public land? Because that's the way I mean, people 0:15:16.560 --> 0:15:20.840 are presumably driving vehicles to public land to hunt, unless 0:15:20.840 --> 0:15:23.560 they're ridding the mule, which uh if you know, if 0:15:23.560 --> 0:15:26.720 you see a parked mule, uh, maybe a little different story. 0:15:27.320 --> 0:15:28.880 So you see a truck parked on the side of 0:15:28.880 --> 0:15:31.280 the road and he's in the spot you wanted to go, 0:15:32.160 --> 0:15:35.920 and so you go, dang, he's in the spot. Many 0:15:35.960 --> 0:15:39.160 many options here do you pull up or right behind 0:15:39.240 --> 0:15:43.120 him and park your truck right beside his and go 0:15:43.240 --> 0:15:47.280 hunt your spot? The answer to that is an't emphatic no. 0:15:48.880 --> 0:15:50.600 I mean that is a good way to get a 0:15:50.600 --> 0:15:54.400 flat tire, to get a black eye. Unfortunately, to offend 0:15:54.480 --> 0:15:59.840 someone deeply, deeply, Okay, Um, So then the then the 0:16:00.040 --> 0:16:04.680 question is um, And I mean I've been tempted to 0:16:04.720 --> 0:16:08.720 do this before, and probably if I'm being honest, I've 0:16:08.800 --> 0:16:12.720 done this, known that a guy was hunting somewhere and 0:16:12.760 --> 0:16:16.880 then go way around and basically come into that same area. 0:16:18.040 --> 0:16:21.800 I've done that young days. I mean, like be like, 0:16:24.200 --> 0:16:29.480 I think I would do that today. But but knowing 0:16:29.560 --> 0:16:32.080 that that guy was probably two yards off the road 0:16:32.480 --> 0:16:34.440 and I was trying to get back in there a 0:16:34.520 --> 0:16:37.160 mile you see what I'm saying. Yeah, I mean in 0:16:37.240 --> 0:16:40.760 that So that whole scenario is a real gray area 0:16:40.880 --> 0:16:46.080 to me. Think about the place that we turkey hunted 0:16:46.120 --> 0:16:50.240 this year, okay, and where we parked, and how we 0:16:50.320 --> 0:16:55.200 did that. You know, imagine if if we had Imagine 0:16:55.200 --> 0:16:57.720 if we had stopped the truck a half mile sooner, 0:16:58.520 --> 0:17:02.120 but otherwise followed the same trail in I mean, there 0:17:02.120 --> 0:17:04.920 were hundreds of acres on either side of where we 0:17:04.920 --> 0:17:07.840 were where somebody could have come in right behind us 0:17:07.840 --> 0:17:12.399 but gone a completely different way. And so how do 0:17:12.440 --> 0:17:15.760 you I think it matters what you're hunting. If your 0:17:15.800 --> 0:17:19.640 turkey hunting, you need to leave big space in between 0:17:19.680 --> 0:17:21.760 you because you can hear a turkey gobble for half 0:17:21.800 --> 0:17:25.240 a mile, so you know, even if you're and that's 0:17:25.280 --> 0:17:28.640 where you can cut somebody off. And people get mad 0:17:28.840 --> 0:17:30.800 because if you park your truck on the road and 0:17:30.840 --> 0:17:33.359 then you go out of sight and park your truck 0:17:33.800 --> 0:17:36.080 and you're essentially hunting the same turkeys, and you're like, well, 0:17:36.119 --> 0:17:39.160 I didn't park by him. You're hunting the same turkeys, 0:17:39.520 --> 0:17:42.000 and and and the the question that I would ask 0:17:42.080 --> 0:17:46.480 myself is that if I hear his turkey gobble, and 0:17:46.680 --> 0:17:49.159 am I gonna go the opposite direction? I mean, and 0:17:49.280 --> 0:17:53.320 that's a hardy like so, but if you're deer hunting, 0:17:53.480 --> 0:17:56.520 that's a little bit different because if you're deer hunting, 0:17:57.560 --> 0:18:00.720 I mean, you know, you don't you don't you certainly 0:18:00.720 --> 0:18:03.920 don't want to barge in on somebody, but it's not vocal. 0:18:04.480 --> 0:18:06.719 You know, you're not gonna you know, you're you're, you're 0:18:06.800 --> 0:18:09.679 you're hunting these deer. It's it's a little bit different. Well, 0:18:09.720 --> 0:18:12.200 you hear a lot of stories in turkey hunting to 0:18:12.400 --> 0:18:17.280 about close calls because you're not wearing orange. You're it's 0:18:17.280 --> 0:18:20.439 a safety issue. You know, you're trying to really be 0:18:20.640 --> 0:18:24.680 hidden you're putting decoys out a lot of times, So 0:18:24.800 --> 0:18:28.240 I mean that makes a lot of sense to operate it. 0:18:28.359 --> 0:18:31.640 Try to operate that far exactly exactly. And and and 0:18:31.680 --> 0:18:33.800 I think weapon makes a difference to if it's both 0:18:33.800 --> 0:18:37.880 season and you know what I mean, like you know 0:18:38.000 --> 0:18:41.600 that this is you can shoot forty yards. I mean, 0:18:41.960 --> 0:18:43.879 I'm not saying go in on somebody, but these are 0:18:43.920 --> 0:18:46.760 things I would think about. And I mean the answer 0:18:46.760 --> 0:18:50.160 to the question is go somewhere way away, nowhere close 0:18:50.200 --> 0:18:52.720 to that guy. I mean, the whole key to public 0:18:52.760 --> 0:18:56.840 land hunting is having multiple options. Is everybody having a space, yeah, 0:18:57.160 --> 0:19:00.199 because I mean I don't want to. I mean, part 0:19:00.240 --> 0:19:02.480 of the reason that I don't do a ton of 0:19:02.640 --> 0:19:06.719 Arkansas turkey hunting once the adult season starts, we do 0:19:06.760 --> 0:19:08.879 a lot of youth turkey hunting is because I just 0:19:09.040 --> 0:19:13.480 despise going to my spot. In my heart fluttering a 0:19:13.520 --> 0:19:16.120 little bit when I see a car park there. It's 0:19:16.160 --> 0:19:18.919 just like I'll just do something else, Like I just 0:19:19.000 --> 0:19:21.960 don't I don't want to share the woods with a stranger. 0:19:22.480 --> 0:19:24.480 It's not because I don't like that guy. It's just, 0:19:25.080 --> 0:19:27.639 you know, I have found that with age that is 0:19:27.680 --> 0:19:30.080 more and more of the case too, Yeah, because it's 0:19:30.080 --> 0:19:32.640 just and it's not I still have the same desire 0:19:32.960 --> 0:19:35.440 to smash a turkey in the face as I did 0:19:35.480 --> 0:19:39.280 when I was sixteen, you know, however many hundred years 0:19:39.320 --> 0:19:43.200 ago that was. But I don't want to deal with yeah, exactly, 0:19:43.800 --> 0:19:45.600 but you know, I don't want to deal with everything 0:19:45.600 --> 0:19:48.080 else that goes with it. And it's it's not as 0:19:48.119 --> 0:19:52.040 important to me, being fifty four years old to kill 0:19:52.080 --> 0:19:55.119 in the turkey. I've killed a hundred and fifteen in 0:19:55.200 --> 0:19:59.320 my life total, and it's not as important to me 0:19:59.400 --> 0:20:03.720 as the experiences, I think. But you can't narrow it 0:20:03.720 --> 0:20:06.880 all down to this young folks being disrespectful, I mean, 0:20:07.680 --> 0:20:12.680 or not so much disrespectful as being encroachful, if that's 0:20:12.680 --> 0:20:15.800 a word. But you know, you get just what I mean. 0:20:15.840 --> 0:20:19.080 And it's not just you know, the college age kids, 0:20:19.119 --> 0:20:21.320 the young folks, the new hunters or whatever that are 0:20:22.200 --> 0:20:27.280 that are crossing that line of of being respectful or 0:20:28.680 --> 0:20:31.520 showing you know, etiquette or what however you want to 0:20:31.600 --> 0:20:34.800 describe it. It's not just them that's doing that. So 0:20:34.840 --> 0:20:37.240 I think you know that the driver or whatever, though, 0:20:38.280 --> 0:20:41.639 we'll play a large part in that as well. Yeah, well, 0:20:42.359 --> 0:20:45.160 I know that there's some public land we hunting down 0:20:45.160 --> 0:20:49.560 in southern Arkansas that uh, there's just common access points 0:20:49.560 --> 0:20:51.320 that you park on the road, you know, but you 0:20:51.400 --> 0:20:54.439 walking into multiple So it's so it's normal there for 0:20:54.560 --> 0:20:57.320 multiple vehicles to be parking. And I was about to 0:20:57.359 --> 0:21:00.840 say yeah, and walking into something that like a normal 0:21:01.040 --> 0:21:03.679 like travel we'll call the travel corridors, and I'm like, 0:21:04.000 --> 0:21:06.840 but like they go in and they maintain certain areas, 0:21:06.840 --> 0:21:08.480 and so you'll have a lot of guys that like 0:21:08.520 --> 0:21:10.600 you're walking the same bootprints as somebody that morning, but 0:21:10.640 --> 0:21:12.919 you've never seen because it's like it's like you go 0:21:13.000 --> 0:21:14.719 down a certain amount and then everybody just kind of 0:21:14.720 --> 0:21:18.280 fans out into their their own area. So I think, yeah, 0:21:18.320 --> 0:21:20.840 I think context has a lot to play. So if 0:21:20.840 --> 0:21:24.520 you're like going down some road down some national forests 0:21:24.520 --> 0:21:26.800 and and you come up to a truck, this's like 0:21:26.920 --> 0:21:29.800 there's nothing that is common in that area. It's like 0:21:29.840 --> 0:21:33.040 your youngest but and it's like if you see flags there, 0:21:33.160 --> 0:21:35.200 it's like I'm not gonna follow any of these flags. 0:21:35.240 --> 0:21:37.320 I'm going the opposite way. You know, somebody's marking their 0:21:37.359 --> 0:21:41.440 trail or or something. But yeah, now that's a great 0:21:41.480 --> 0:21:46.400 point because what I learned this year turkey hunting over 0:21:46.400 --> 0:21:49.119 here close to the house. Just two mornings, well maybe 0:21:49.160 --> 0:21:53.800 just one morning we went out over here. Man, if 0:21:53.920 --> 0:21:57.520 if you had followed the Gary nucom Code of Conduct 0:21:57.640 --> 0:22:00.280 for public land turkey hunting, we would not have had 0:22:00.280 --> 0:22:04.680 a place to turkey up. I mean, because he well, yeah, 0:22:04.680 --> 0:22:06.320 and so do I I mean, like, if you see 0:22:06.359 --> 0:22:10.679 a truck, just forget go to another place, like a 0:22:10.800 --> 0:22:14.280 long ways away. And I mean there were trucks parked 0:22:14.280 --> 0:22:17.080 every half mile. And it was like, okay, well, if 0:22:17.119 --> 0:22:19.720 we're gonna play this game, we're gonna just have to 0:22:20.280 --> 0:22:23.080 pretty much be close to people. And so we did 0:22:23.119 --> 0:22:27.240 that that morning, and we walked up on three people 0:22:27.320 --> 0:22:30.919 while we were in the woods, which was yeah, and 0:22:31.000 --> 0:22:32.920 one guy I mean, I say we walked up on. 0:22:33.600 --> 0:22:36.240 They came up on us. One guy was at the 0:22:36.280 --> 0:22:38.639 truck when we got back. There was a truck parked 0:22:38.760 --> 0:22:40.840 by my truck when we got back, and he was 0:22:40.880 --> 0:22:42.320 waiting first to come out so he could go in. 0:22:44.160 --> 0:22:46.680 And one guy drove a four wheeler right past us. 0:22:47.200 --> 0:22:50.119 We I mean, he didn't know we were there. He 0:22:50.200 --> 0:22:52.679 was just puts around on a four wheeler. He stopped 0:22:53.119 --> 0:22:55.720 and he told me I killed a turkey right over there. 0:22:57.440 --> 0:23:00.840 I mean, he told me everything, and he real nice guy. 0:23:00.960 --> 0:23:03.440 I mean, you know, you do have this immage like 0:23:03.480 --> 0:23:06.000 when I heard that four wheeler coming, I was with 0:23:06.040 --> 0:23:11.359 my daughter, and it's like everything in me pictured this 0:23:11.440 --> 0:23:17.040 guy as just like a dirt ball. I know exactly 0:23:17.080 --> 0:23:19.399 what you're talking about. Every other hunter in the woods 0:23:19.480 --> 0:23:22.359 is a dirt ball. The other team on when your 0:23:22.400 --> 0:23:25.439 kids are playing baseball, the other team, those kids are 0:23:25.440 --> 0:23:29.800 dirt balls, you know. Yeah, Oh, they're all terrible people. 0:23:31.200 --> 0:23:33.640 And and and when I when I realized the guy 0:23:33.720 --> 0:23:36.639 was it was a little little just little pig trail road. 0:23:37.440 --> 0:23:40.440 And so he's coming down the road and I want 0:23:40.520 --> 0:23:42.760 him to know we're there as a you know, turkey 0:23:42.760 --> 0:23:45.359 outing is one of those things where it's best to 0:23:45.440 --> 0:23:47.400 just let people know you're there. So I didn't want 0:23:47.400 --> 0:23:49.000 to jump off the road. If we'd have been bow 0:23:49.040 --> 0:23:50.960 hunting deer, I would have been like jumping the ditch. 0:23:51.040 --> 0:23:53.480 Let's just let him go past us. We're turkey hunt 0:23:53.520 --> 0:23:55.000 and I wan't him know where we're at. So we 0:23:55.160 --> 0:23:58.560 just stand there. And in my mind, I'm envisioning like 0:23:59.040 --> 0:24:02.919 I'm gonna have to de fend my daughter when this 0:24:03.640 --> 0:24:06.920 rolls up and I'm like, whatever happens River just you know, 0:24:09.480 --> 0:24:13.680 it's this old guy and he's just like, hey man, 0:24:13.760 --> 0:24:16.199 I just out hooted on the hill. I didn't hear anything, 0:24:16.280 --> 0:24:18.680 but I killed a gobbler right off there last year, 0:24:18.720 --> 0:24:23.080 and I killed seventeen dobblers over here. I mean, this 0:24:23.400 --> 0:24:25.160 nice guy in the world. Yea, yeah, it kind of 0:24:25.240 --> 0:24:29.080 changes your perspective. These are people just like me, just 0:24:29.119 --> 0:24:32.679