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Speaker 1: in the middle of the week, you could go out

426
00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:00,359
Speaker 1: there and there was a place close to where our

427
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 1: camp was called Buckingham Flats, which was a four acre

428
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:10,159
Speaker 1: tip cornered piece of biot. Well it was it's uh

429
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:13,320
Speaker 1: it wasn't around by a fields or something. Yeah, it was,

430
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:17,480
Speaker 1: and in one corner of it touched by a meta itself,

431
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:21,960
Speaker 1: so it was body of water. Yeah, that's that's the

432
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:26,359
Speaker 1: public the public shooting grounds on by meta is a

433
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 1: boot that runs through there. But that area that Wildlife

434
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:33,320
Speaker 1: Management area is called Bio Meta Wildlife Management Area. So

435
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:36,920
Speaker 1: this four acres were kind of set off by itself,

436
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:41,000
Speaker 1: but it was attached at a corner to the rest

437
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:46,199
Speaker 1: of the public land, but had two access areas to it.

438
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:47,960
Speaker 1: And we could go there during the middle of the

439
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:50,960
Speaker 1: week with paying clients or by ourselves just on a

440
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:54,240
Speaker 1: pleasure hunt. And there may be two other vehicles in

441
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:56,080
Speaker 1: the park. A lot of that may not be anybody

442
00:26:56,480 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 1: in there. And over the years, the popularity of water

443
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 1: Fountain from TV shows and the Internet and all that stuff,

444
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:11,359
Speaker 1: they made duck hunting a fad. The population are the

445
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 1: number of hunters has grown significantly. Yeah, you add a

446
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:20,160
Speaker 1: caveat in there of the duck numbers going down substantially

447
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:24,920
Speaker 1: from what they were, the flyaway somewhat changing, duck shortstopping

448
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,879
Speaker 1: and not coming as far south as they did. And

449
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 1: you limit your limiting the number of ducks coming down

450
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 1: while you're increasing the amount of duck hunters going in there.

451
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:41,400
Speaker 1: So and I mean it's a a very passion driven sport.

452
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 1: It is a in that part of the world. I mean,

453
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:48,199
Speaker 1: you've got people coming from all over the world to

454
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:51,359
Speaker 1: that area to just a duck hunt and to the economy,

455
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:54,400
Speaker 1: they're around stuck, are they? The Chamber of Commerce down

456
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 1: there says that on the average, it's a during a

457
00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:01,440
Speaker 1: sixty day duck season, it's a million dollars a day

458
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 1: of revenue coming into that area. So you know, it's

459
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:09,359
Speaker 1: a high priority for those businesses to promote it, to

460
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 1: keep it going, to get that income coming in. So

461
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 1: you got all those folks down there, and you've got

462
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:19,159
Speaker 1: limited space to do it. They cut out all the

463
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 1: guiding down there, thinking that would so you can't you can't,

464
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:27,639
Speaker 1: can't got on public for waterfowl, you can't for anything else.

465
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:31,920
Speaker 1: But so they cut all that out. But that wasn't

466
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 1: the issue. The issue was just the number of people

467
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 1: in the limited space to put it in. And so

468
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 1: what's the one are the rules like, certainly there's only

469
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 1: limited access point if you're talking about putting in boat,

470
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 1: so you're you're gonna see a bunch of people at

471
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 1: the boat rount. Yeah, And they the problem was that

472
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 1: people would go in early. They used to call call

473
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 1: them hole runners and and folks guides, people that wanted

474
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 1: to hunt, pleasure hunters, whatever. They would lay claim to

475
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,480
Speaker 1: a certain area down there. You know, and like out

476
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 1: of that whole right there off of the main creek

477
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 1: channel or whatever to the left. You know, I grew

478
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 1: up hunting that with my dad and my grandpa, and

479
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 1: we always hunted that area. And we're gonna hunt that

480
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 1: area every day during duck season, and we're gonna get

481
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 1: in there early in claiming, and it would be to

482
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 1: the point where folks would be spending the night in

483
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 1: boats down there were lanterns and saving no spots, which

484
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 1: was perfectly legal. He got to the point to where

485
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 1: a few years ago they had to instigate a rule

486
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 1: of where no boats or nobody could venture into the

487
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 1: w may until a certain time. I think it's like

488
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 1: four or thirty. I don't hunt public land anymore for

489
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 1: just for that very reason. It's too much of a headache.

490
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 1: But they limited the number of at the time that

491
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 1: you could go in. That increased the congestion of boat

492
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 1: motors of boat traffic at the same time. At the

493
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 1: same time, it put everybody leaving at a one point.

494
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 1: And they it's it's like a Kentucky derby down there.

495
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 1: It's just they were boat ricks and boat crashes and

496
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 1: fist fights and you name it. That developed from that

497
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 1: in the game fishes. I mean, you know, I hate

498
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:17,240
Speaker 1: I would hate to have that problem because I don't

499
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 1: know what the answer to that is, and and they

500
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 1: there it's a struggle for them to figure it out,

501
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 1: you know. But you know a lot of that goes

502
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 1: to it. If people respected the next guy enough, they

503
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 1: they've even That's my answer to it. It's just people

504
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 1: are out in this day and age more. Not everybody,

505
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:42,960
Speaker 1: but a lot of folks are. They're worried about They're

506
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 1: going to get in there and get their spot regardless

507
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 1: of you know, what happens, and try to be changed

508
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 1: specific question to ask him about that. I mean, it's

509
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:58,680
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a couple of different things. One of

510
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 1: them is going to be all around. You know. Obviously,

511
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 1: if there's a boat in a hole that you're trying

512
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 1: to get into, that's pretty easy. Um. But if you

513
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 1: you pull up to a parking area to a spot

514
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 1: that you're gonna walk into, um, I mean, because I'm

515
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 1: thinking of a place that I hunted this year specifically,

516
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 1: we were always only the ever we were saying that

517
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 1: the right way, we were only we were the only

518
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 1: truck there. It's the only one that we ever saw.

519
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 1: But I know from walking around in that area it

520
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 1: could have supported easily three or four groups of hunters

521
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 1: like us if they'd all spread out. So it wouldn't

522
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 1: seem fair to me if I was the second truck

523
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 1: there to turn around and go somewhere else. But I

524
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 1: don't know where those people went, So how do I

525
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 1: deal with that? What? How it used to be? This?

526
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 1: You know, and I'm I can only talk and how

527
00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 1: it was it's been in my experience, but even as

528
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 1: late as in the nineties, when you got there and

529
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 1: you and in a lot of places we didn't use

530
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 1: a boat going to we would walk into there in

531
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 1: Buckingham Flats, especially because you couldn't really go a lot

532
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 1: of places unless the water was flooded out. Everywhere you

533
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 1: would walk. You'd leave the parking lot walking and after

534
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 1: half a mile or so you start hitting the water,

535
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 1: the flood water, and then you'd walk into wherever the

536
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 1: need deep place was you wanted. And how it worked

537
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 1: back then as you got to a spot, when you

538
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 1: got there, you threw your decoys out, you said on

539
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 1: a log, and you drink coffee till it come time

540
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 1: to duck hunt. If you saw another light coming, you

541
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 1: shot them, you shine your light at them. Those folks

542
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 1: may shine it back that main holler and say hey

543
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 1: we're going left, we're going right, we're gonna come. We're

544
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 1: gonna walk right by you and and go on pasture.

545
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 1: Is anybody gone through? No man, come on? Or or

546
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 1: if there was, we said hey, come hunt with us.

547
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 1: You know we've done that before. But there was always

548
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 1: that unwritten rule if you didn't go up next, get

549
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 1: too close to somebody. And another thing that was that

550
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 1: was just an absolute no no. I mean it was

551
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 1: a bad thing. If you had to set up close

552
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 1: to somebody, you would get within a hundred fifty two

553
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 1: hundred yards of them. If they're working ducks over there

554
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 1: in that area, and ducks I'm talking about, they're calling

555
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:29,479
Speaker 1: to them, and ducks are responding to them to that area,

556
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 1: and they when they flew over the top of where

557
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 1: they were, they wouldn't shoot at them, they wouldn't call

558
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 1: at them. Those were your ducks. And when that happened,

559
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 1: when they started working ducks, you would honor that as well.

560
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 1: And man that worked like that for a hundred years

561
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden it didn't It didn't

562
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 1: work anymore. And they would they would shoot your ducks,

563
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 1: and you're you know in quotation, they would shoot the

564
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 1: ducks that flew over, and it just got to be

565
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 1: a a test of who could get them shot out first.

566
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 1: And and you know, get back to the truck and

567
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 1: people they didn't there. I don't think he'll ever be

568
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 1: the way it used to be. Uh sees that squirrel

569
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 1: is trying to eat anything, you know, and that very

570
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 1: well may have started. See that system works great as

571
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 1: long as it's saturated the culture, you know, because the

572
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 1: first time that the group over there started shooting your ducks,

573
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 1: your groups started saying, dang, well, I guess we're just

574
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:35,240
Speaker 1: gonna have to be every man for himself. And maybe

575
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:37,360
Speaker 1: it was those guys over there that just didn't know

576
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 1: any better. Sure, I mean, maybe they were jerks, but

577
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 1: probably they just didn't know any better. Probably they were

578
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 1: coin toss but let's let's just say they were new guys,

579
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:52,839
Speaker 1: and we're just like, there's ducks. I'm gonna call those

580
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 1: ducks and shoot them. And then and then they messed

581
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 1: up a whole system of honor that was inside the

582
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 1: high any world. And and honestly that we could sum

583
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:05,799
Speaker 1: up everything that we're going to talk about today with

584
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 1: having a code of honor of treat others like you

585
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 1: would want to be treated. If I if my truck

586
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 1: is parked on the side of the road over here,

587
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 1: I don't want you anywhere near me. I want you

588
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 1: to go find your own turkeys. Uh. If if I'm

589
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:25,280
Speaker 1: bo hunting whitetails, I mean I don't want you anywhere

590
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 1: near me. So I mean I've got to have enough

591
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,719
Speaker 1: character that I you gotta do the same thing. You

592
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 1: gotta do the same you gotta you gotta go somewhere else.

593
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 1: And then but then you also learned the culture, like

594
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 1: what Kobe's talking about. I've hunted in some of those

595
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:40,719
Speaker 1: places down south, in these state management areas where there

596
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 1: may be only five places to park your truck on

597
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 1: the whole thing, So you can't just go home if

598
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 1: there's a truck park, it's okay. But you you know

599
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:54,239
Speaker 1: if that that you know, that's the golden rule of

600
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 1: it is to treat somebody like and and the way

601
00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 1: you know how you would want to be treated is

602
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:02,399
Speaker 1: you wouldn't want somebody to jeopardize your hunt. You've taken

603
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:05,840
Speaker 1: time off work, you spent your scouting time, your gas,

604
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:09,799
Speaker 1: your whatever, and like if if that other person does

605
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 1: something that's gonna screw up your hunt, then you're gonna

606
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:15,920
Speaker 1: be like, dang, So just don't do that for someone else. Yeah,

607
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:18,239
Speaker 1: you know, I think there might even be exceptions in

608
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 1: different places, just culturally. I know a place we've hunted,

609
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:24,799
Speaker 1: there's a there's a natural gas pipeline that runs down

610
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:27,719
Speaker 1: through the area, and it's not uncommon for it's like

611
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 1: you're walking down the pipeline and somebody flashes a light,

612
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:32,399
Speaker 1: but they like, you know, the emotion need to keep

613
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:34,840
Speaker 1: on going, and you just walk several hundred yards and

614
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 1: just keep going until you find a spot where no

615
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 1: one is. Like, but the deer they've traveled like across

616
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 1: the pipeline. They don't go like up and down in

617
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 1: but that's just kind of like they're hunting different deer

618
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 1: than them. Yeah, and you know a lot of the

619
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:48,840
Speaker 1: guys that are there, like you've seen them around the

620
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:55,719
Speaker 1: different like access Yeah, following them in the height, you

621
00:36:55,719 --> 00:37:00,800
Speaker 1: were following them around marking all their truck marking. Okay,

622
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:05,319
Speaker 1: that's something on the list here. Well, um, okay, that's

623
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:09,400
Speaker 1: that was all great stuff. Um, James, you're give me,

624
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 1: give me one of yours, and let's discuss. Let's um,

625
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 1: let's talk about social media etiquette. Okay, okay, so up

626
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 1: to modern technology, yep, yep. So we're all out there hunting.

627
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:28,399
Speaker 1: We're we're it's been a great season. We're having success. Right.

628
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:31,319
Speaker 1: I got out there early. I found a spot, and

629
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:35,919
Speaker 1: I man, I killed a big old bear. I get

630
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 1: on social media and I and I'm just like, look

631
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:42,319
Speaker 1: at this bear I killed at blah blah blah blah

632
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:45,839
Speaker 1: blah blah blah, and uh and I was doing this

633
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:49,399
Speaker 1: and doing that. Wait a minute, this is your spot though, Well,

634
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 1: I mean that's where I killed it, so it must

635
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 1: be my spot. You wouldn't tell where you killed it?

636
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 1: Well maybe I don't know any better. Okay, let's just

637
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:00,840
Speaker 1: so let's let's talk about that. So first of all,

638
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 1: let's talk about blowing spots up on social media, you know. Accidentally,

639
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:11,839
Speaker 1: let's also talk about I'm a new hunter and I'm

640
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:14,399
Speaker 1: trying to find somewhere to go, and then you get

641
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 1: on social media and you're like, hey, can somebody tell

642
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:20,799
Speaker 1: me something about you know now that you say that

643
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:24,279
Speaker 1: I have seen people go I killed this Turkey on

644
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:28,359
Speaker 1: such and such w A this morning, and I know

645
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 1: all the people that hunt that w A or going

646
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:34,440
Speaker 1: dotgone it, man, don't. Yeah, there's well, there were some

647
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 1: stories shared whenever I was gathering information for this, talking

648
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 1: about some places that just got flattened. Turkeys got flattened

649
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 1: this year because people got on social media and we're

650
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 1: bragging about what they had done, and it just it

651
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:55,879
Speaker 1: just took fire. So um, so it happens. I mean,

652
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:58,839
Speaker 1: either people don't know or they're too dense to not

653
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:04,479
Speaker 1: do it. Yeah, what's your well? I mean, so first

654
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 1: of all, if I think you need, you need to

655
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 1: understand that you're not the only person who hunts that place.

656
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 1: And number one, you've got to some responsibility to your

657
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 1: fellow hunters to protect it, to protect the the nature

658
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 1: of what's there. Um, you also have some responsibility to

659
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 1: protect the wildlife that's there. I mean if you if

660
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 1: you go in someplace and and shoot a trophy deer

661
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 1: and then you drop a pen and basically say this

662
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 1: is where I killed it, everybody's gonna think, well, man,

663
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go in there. It's just like it's just

664
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 1: like the misery trout parks. You go up to Roaring

665
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 1: River up here. He just did it. You can't put it.

666
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:00,799
Speaker 1: You can't put anybody else in. You can't put more

667
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:03,880
Speaker 1: people in there. It's already full. But you go in

668
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 1: there and you watch, and when somebody pulls a big

669
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:10,319
Speaker 1: trout out, it's he's like a magnet. Everybody just comes

670
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:14,800
Speaker 1: and stands next to him and starts casting over him. Yeah,

671
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:18,320
Speaker 1: and so you've got to realize that that that's gonna

672
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 1: happen for you. If if to the animals, it's gonna

673
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:23,439
Speaker 1: happen to your your other hunters that are in there,

674
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 1: that spend all summer and all, you know, all season

675
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:29,920
Speaker 1: long scouting and working for whatever the animals are that

676
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 1: are in there. So be responsible when you put things

677
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:37,360
Speaker 1: on social media. Well, I think here's here's a good

678
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:40,799
Speaker 1: rule of thumbs. You know, people want to be I mean,

679
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 1: part of the story is always connected to a place,

680
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:49,280
Speaker 1: like like if you're if you're posting stup on social media,

681
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 1: it's because you have this inn a human desire to

682
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:55,400
Speaker 1: share a story. That story inside of hunting is always

683
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 1: connected to place. Place gives even value to that. So

684
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 1: that's why people want to A man I killed this

685
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 1: at the such a set. But you just have to

686
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:07,920
Speaker 1: be general, and you have to make a decision of

687
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 1: how general is general enough, Like you could say a

688
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 1: lot of times of late, i've just been naming the

689
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:21,240
Speaker 1: state in the corner, maybe Northwest Arkansas, deer, northwest Arkansas,

690
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 1: this or that. You know, if you draw a map

691
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 1: around the five thousand square miles that encompassed northwest Arkansas

692
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:32,840
Speaker 1: and you can find I mean, yeah, that's pretty big area.

693
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:35,879
Speaker 1: Um So, I mean you just have to be general. Now,

694
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:39,319
Speaker 1: some people like I think it depends on how big

695
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 1: it is. If you're talking about a w m A

696
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 1: that's ten thousand acres, just don't name the w m A. Yes,

697
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 1: just don't. If you're talking about a national forest that's

698
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 1: two point two million acres, perhaps you could say, I

699
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:57,319
Speaker 1: mean I wouldn't suggest it, but I've done I've done

700
00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 1: that before those art national forest I take than that,

701
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:03,399
Speaker 1: you know, and it's like it's pretty big place. You're

702
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 1: probably not gonna draw a lot of attention. And then

703
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 1: if you throw in something really negative about the place,

704
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 1: it'll drop off the riff raff. So say I killed

705
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 1: this buck, I'm hunting there for a week, and it's

706
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 1: the only one boy, stuff like that climb through five

707
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:22,400
Speaker 1: miles of BlackBerry brambles to get there too. And the

708
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 1: thing about it is, you know you can have some

709
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 1: some detrimental effects by giving the spot away accidentally, are

710
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 1: on purpose, but you still hadn't broken law. No, no,

711
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:39,320
Speaker 1: it's all. You haven't done anything exactly wrong. But on

712
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 1: the other and you have I have. Let me. This

713
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 1: is funny because both of you guys have hunted with

714
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 1: me on public land. So I'm not talking about you,

715
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 1: but I could be. If you mess up, you could

716
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:58,880
Speaker 1: be this guy. You know. What I've found is, uh,

717
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:01,239
Speaker 1: you know, you gotta be careful who you take into

718
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 1: your spots. You absolutely do. You have to trust him

719
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:06,920
Speaker 1: that they they have the same code and ethic as

720
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:10,400
Speaker 1: you do. What I find is people on accident do

721
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:15,400
Speaker 1: stuff like like they'll not me. Okay, I'll give you

722
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 1: an example that it's not either one of you guys.

723
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:19,759
Speaker 1: I took a guy into a pretty good spot of

724
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 1: mine and uh, he's never going back in there. I

725
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 1: know he's not. I mean, like, I'm not worried about that. Well,

726
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 1: he told a family member of his about it, just

727
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 1: in conversation, and then and then he He told me

728
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:45,840
Speaker 1: that he told his family member just as if it

729
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:48,360
Speaker 1: was nothing. And and his family member had been in

730
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:53,720
Speaker 1: there before and knew the spots. And I was just like, dude,

731
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 1: need that guy knowing exactly where I took you. I

732
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:00,080
Speaker 1: don't care if he's been in there or not. I

733
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:02,719
Speaker 1: don't want him to know that I was in there.

734
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 1: And he had no malice whatsoever. It was actually a

735
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 1: veteran hunter. Just in his world. It just wentn't a

736
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:12,799
Speaker 1: big deal, like you know, just public land. I told

737
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:14,279
Speaker 1: my brother in law where we went, and I was

738
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:17,359
Speaker 1: just like, don't tell your brother in law where we went.

739
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, um, so usually people do it

740
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 1: on accident. Uh. And people there's people are secretive to

741
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:30,840
Speaker 1: a degree, but then there's people inside their circle that

742
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 1: they'll tell anything to. For instance, you could take somebody

743
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 1: hunting and you cannot make them not tell their dad

744
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 1: or their own I mean, do you know what I'm saying, Like,

745
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 1: you can't take Clay nwcom anywhere that I'm not probably

746
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:49,840
Speaker 1: gonna tell my dad where we were at. You could

747
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:53,360
Speaker 1: you could be you could say, Clay swear to secrecy.

748
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 1: You will never utter these words again in your life.

749
00:44:56,360 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 1: All I will cut your throat and I'll be like, yeah,

750
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:02,319
Speaker 1: I'm good, and then I'll be like, Dad, we went

751
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:06,880
Speaker 1: in back in there too. I mean, you know, you

752
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 1: do it almost unconsciously with like people that you're super

753
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:12,239
Speaker 1: tight because my dad's not going in there. But my

754
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:18,360
Speaker 1: dad didn't swear to anybody over and then so Dad's like,

755
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:21,880
Speaker 1: oh yeah, Clay, and they went over to and my

756
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:24,399
Speaker 1: Dad's never done that. I'm not throwing my dad. My dad,

757
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 1: Gary Nucom has never done it. That has been done

758
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 1: to me by friends that I've taken and I can't

759
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 1: And honestly, I evaluate that when I and all my

760
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:35,879
Speaker 1: friends that are listening to this, I'm not talking about you,

761
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 1: it's like four people right now that are going is

762
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 1: he talking about No, I'm not talking about you. That

763
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:45,880
Speaker 1: person has already been dealt with. Yeah, that person is

764
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:50,800
Speaker 1: no longer alive. No. But so I'm just saying, you

765
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 1: just gotta be careful. Yeah, if and not that the

766
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 1: whole objective of a hunter is to keep his spot secret.

767
00:45:56,680 --> 00:46:00,400
Speaker 1: I mean it's like we inside of modern time, tis

768
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:03,280
Speaker 1: the way we will persist in our culture will persist

769
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 1: if more people get involved in hunting. So I mean

770
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:09,319
Speaker 1: that seems kind of hypocritical in a sense if you

771
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:12,840
Speaker 1: were from another planet and you were peering down and

772
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 1: we're having these conversations like we need new hunters. Public

773
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 1: Land is awesome, it belongs to us all, and then

774
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 1: we're like, man, So you know, there's a part of

775
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:28,439
Speaker 1: you know, but there are things that you just kind

776
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 1: of you gotta kind of keep close and you just

777
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:34,279
Speaker 1: gotta be careful who you take in there. And it's

778
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 1: a good thing to share stuff with people. I mean,

779
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:42,040
Speaker 1: a human sharing a hunting spot, honestly is one of

780
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:46,920
Speaker 1: the most ancient and honest and real hat tips that

781
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 1: a human can give to another human. I was actually

782
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:53,839
Speaker 1: just thinking about that. How I mean, that is such

783
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 1: a core part of the human hunting experience. Is this,

784
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 1: you know, the share activity. You know, I'm gonna help you,

785
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:07,320
Speaker 1: You're gonna help me. Um, So it's weird to talk

786
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 1: about not sharing that, but I think it speaks to

787
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 1: the bigger picture of how we form those hunting relationships.

788
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:19,719
Speaker 1: I mean, I got all kinds of friends who I

789
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:24,320
Speaker 1: would never take hunting, you know, and for all my

790
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 1: friends who happened to be listening to this I may

791
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 1: be talking about. But but you know, for various reasons,

792
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 1: but I think it speaks to what we what you

793
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 1: form as a hunter, and that's probably a subject for

794
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 1: a different podcast. But end of the day, what we

795
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:47,359
Speaker 1: share on social media, we have to realize it's just

796
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:50,320
Speaker 1: like what mom and dad's moms and dads tell their kids.

797
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:53,239
Speaker 1: Be careful what you put on the internet, because once

798
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 1: you put it out there, you can never take it back.

799
00:47:56,760 --> 00:48:00,719
Speaker 1: And and we would do well until look in the

800
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 1: mirror and repeat that to ourselves before we put some

801
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 1: of these things on social media in in a lot

802
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 1: of different ways. But with regard to where I killed

803
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:15,440
Speaker 1: that big buck or whatever, did you kill that, I

804
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:20,759
Speaker 1: did not kill it anything. Hey, you know what I

805
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 1: think I think inside of if we're talking about taking

806
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 1: people hunting, like, I think there's a dual part responsibility.

807
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:31,759
Speaker 1: And this is the reason I've taken both of you

808
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 1: to places that I that are, you know, spots that

809
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:36,839
Speaker 1: I know, is because I know that you will pay

810
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:39,279
Speaker 1: you the respect. I think there's a responsibility of the

811
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 1: taker to be very clear about his expectations when I

812
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 1: when I took in with you and in Zach, it's

813
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:49,920
Speaker 1: it explicitly said, man, y'all come back in here. Do

814
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 1: you remember me saying that, I said, man, come back

815
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:56,400
Speaker 1: down here. Totally fine. There's places that I would not

816
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:59,840
Speaker 1: say that to you. You know what I'm saying, hurt, No,

817
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 1: they can't be. They can't be. And if I took

818
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:05,560
Speaker 1: you in there, I mean it would be my responsibility

819
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:11,400
Speaker 1: to have the character and the boldness of just knowing

820
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:17,240
Speaker 1: my value system to be like, dude, don't bring anybody

821
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 1: in here. Don't don't come back in here. Do you

822
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying? And then I think that's fair.

823
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:26,400
Speaker 1: I think it's fair. Do you think that's fair? I

824
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 1: think it's I think it's fair. It's not, it's not.

825
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:31,520
Speaker 1: I think it's fair to ask because I've done that

826
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:36,440
Speaker 1: with people that I've guided and in public on public ground,

827
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:40,240
Speaker 1: you know, like or it's some folks that I've taken hunting,

828
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:44,399
Speaker 1: maybe not guiding, just a pleasure hunt, and that has

829
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 1: bit me in the behind more than once. Tell me

830
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:49,280
Speaker 1: like they you took him in there, and they asked

831
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 1: if they could come back. I took him in and say, hey,

832
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:54,719
Speaker 1: you know, we found this spot. I've been hunting here

833
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:58,280
Speaker 1: on the Arkansas River for twenty years and we found

834
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 1: this spot here and I'm gonna take you to it,

835
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:04,239
Speaker 1: and I you know, I appreciate if you can let

836
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:06,000
Speaker 1: me know if you want to come back, I'd be

837
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:08,319
Speaker 1: glad to take you. Okay, that's a good way to

838
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:10,839
Speaker 1: say it. It's essentially saying, don't come back in here

839
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:14,440
Speaker 1: without me sure, and then show up over there. My

840
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:17,279
Speaker 1: brother and I go back and here this guy is

841
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:21,120
Speaker 1: with three other people that I don't even know. But

842
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:26,320
Speaker 1: what he's done, he's broken no laws. Well, he's broken

843
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:30,919
Speaker 1: a trust, but he I mean, when you get down,

844
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 1: when you get down to the to the brass tax,

845
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 1: he hadn't done anything illegal, but but he but for

846
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:42,920
Speaker 1: what we're talking about a public land etiquette, he's bad.

847
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:50,640
Speaker 1: My dad, my dad, uh at the expense. And this

848
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:53,399
Speaker 1: is where if you're talking about building friendships with people,

849
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:57,400
Speaker 1: my dad used to not hunt with certain people because

850
00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:00,440
Speaker 1: he knew that they were going to take him to

851
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:04,240
Speaker 1: a spot that probably he was eventually going to find

852
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 1: on his own. Do you hear what I'm saying? And

853
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:09,239
Speaker 1: if that guy took him in there, Dad, I mean,

854
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 1: my dad would just like never go anywhere within five

855
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:15,959
Speaker 1: miles there for the rest of his life. Like that's

856
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 1: the kind of code. Basically, I grew up with the

857
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:23,879
Speaker 1: most conservative possible way of thinking about public land etiquette.

858
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:27,040
Speaker 1: And so Dad got invited him, how are you let's

859
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:30,640
Speaker 1: go back in there Turkey ounting Gary, and Dad was like,

860
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:33,759
Speaker 1: he turned him down because Dad wanted to go in

861
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:36,439
Speaker 1: that area. The guy's not the one who turned Dad

862
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:39,359
Speaker 1: onto that area, you understand what I'm saying. And so

863
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:41,920
Speaker 1: Dad knew eventually he was gonna get back in there

864
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:46,280
Speaker 1: and find stuff, and so he didn't want to do that. Um.

865
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:49,200
Speaker 1: And I get that because if if it's a spot,

866
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:51,440
Speaker 1: like if I took you or you to a spot

867
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:54,759
Speaker 1: that you are never gonna find on your own, then

868
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:57,120
Speaker 1: I think I've got the right to be like, hey,

869
00:51:57,320 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 1: don't come back in here and not be a jerk

870
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:01,759
Speaker 1: about it, just like hey, we're just too humans. I

871
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:03,799
Speaker 1: hope that you have a spot that you like that

872
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:07,239
Speaker 1: much that you could just be like, man, yeah, I

873
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:12,480
Speaker 1: think that's fair. Yeah, well you can. I think it is. Um,

874
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:15,120
Speaker 1: I think it's mostly fair. I think part of that

875
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 1: that we have a responsibility as hunters if we, you know,

876
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:23,439
Speaker 1: to pass that culture down, is to explain why we're

877
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 1: saying that to people because we're a jerk, not because

878
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:32,279
Speaker 1: we're greedy, not because we're hoarding, right, but but also

879
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:39,719
Speaker 1: to explain why what attracted you to that spot, so

880
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 1: that if I'm a new hunter, I could go and

881
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 1: I can do my own work. And that's part of

882
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:49,440
Speaker 1: part of what um to me. You know, the benefit

883
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:54,720
Speaker 1: of going with other people is learning from those people,

884
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:56,799
Speaker 1: and so we as hunters need to keep that in

885
00:52:56,840 --> 00:52:59,879
Speaker 1: mind as well. Like if I'm if I'm the more

886
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:04,000
Speaker 1: senior hunter or fisherman, I try to explain to other people,

887
00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:07,440
Speaker 1: like why did I pick this spot? I might be right,

888
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:10,920
Speaker 1: I might be wrong, but I want that same thing

889
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:13,719
Speaker 1: in return, especially if it's going to be that situation

890
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 1: where like I'll take you. I'm gonna take you to

891
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:20,960
Speaker 1: the spot, but this is just for this is just

892
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:23,440
Speaker 1: for us today. And you know, I appreciate if you

893
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:26,200
Speaker 1: not come back here unless unless I'm with you or

894
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:28,160
Speaker 1: you let me know if you're coming back in here,

895
00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:29,840
Speaker 1: and you know you, you would hope that would be

896
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:33,200
Speaker 1: nuanced enough that you wouldn't have to be that direct. Yeah,

897
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:35,400
Speaker 1: but some of us are dumb. I mean, I'm just

898
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:38,239
Speaker 1: gonna say it. Some of us are just socially dumb

899
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:40,919
Speaker 1: about that kind of stuff and wouldn't know. I just wouldn't. Yeah,

900
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:44,120
Speaker 1: you're just like, well, yeah, I'm thinking of an example

901
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:47,799
Speaker 1: of a new hunter recently that I just thought public. Yeah,

902
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 1: a different story. I think there's a context of that too,

903
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:53,839
Speaker 1: because it's like, that's your spot. It's not saying don't

904
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:55,560
Speaker 1: come back to like this w M A or this

905
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:59,120
Speaker 1: set of mountain range, like there's a there's a nuance

906
00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:02,040
Speaker 1: of just like you know, it encompasses. And the other

907
00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:07,239
Speaker 1: way that that's fair to say is because I know

908
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:13,600
Speaker 1: that there's fifteen other spots just like my spot that

909
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:16,480
Speaker 1: you can go find. But I like what you're saying though, James,

910
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:19,839
Speaker 1: about trying to understand what that spots like. And and

911
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:23,960
Speaker 1: that to me is where as mentor hunters that we

912
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:27,799
Speaker 1: share information and I freely try to Yeah. I mean like, like,

913
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:30,719
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to keep you from finding the best

914
00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:33,000
Speaker 1: spot in the world for killing a big buck in

915
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:36,000
Speaker 1: the national forest over here. I want you to find that.

916
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:39,439
Speaker 1: You know that that helps, That helps the season hunter

917
00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:42,640
Speaker 1: right there helping somebody else, because then he's going to

918
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:45,520
Speaker 1: get away from him. He's gonna find his own spot. Yeah,

919
00:54:45,560 --> 00:54:47,759
Speaker 1: you don't, you know, Teach a man to give him

920
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:50,239
Speaker 1: man of fish feeding for a day, teach a man

921
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:53,959
Speaker 1: to fish feeding for life, exactly. And it's the same.

922
00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:57,719
Speaker 1: It's the it's the same basic principle. It's simple. It

923
00:54:57,719 --> 00:55:00,560
Speaker 1: all comes to respect, and it all comes to see

924
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:05,960
Speaker 1: and looking at this thing out beyond killing an animal

925
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:08,600
Speaker 1: or taking an animal home with you, you know, it goes,

926
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:12,239
Speaker 1: it goes way beyond that to get the full experience,

927
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:16,080
Speaker 1: the true experience of what it is, and you know, sharing,

928
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:19,040
Speaker 1: taking people hunting. I would rather hunt with somebody and

929
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:21,719
Speaker 1: I had by myself any day, especially the older I get,

930
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:23,839
Speaker 1: I would rather take somebody with me as a kid,

931
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:27,239
Speaker 1: or somebody that are an adult that doesn't hunt much,

932
00:55:27,239 --> 00:55:29,319
Speaker 1: you know, and didn't let them experience what I spent

933
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:33,520
Speaker 1: a lifetime looking at and watching those folks see it,

934
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:35,360
Speaker 1: because that's you know, you get to see it for

935
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:39,040
Speaker 1: the first time all over again, and watching somebody to me,

936
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:41,680
Speaker 1: watching somebody. We've taken kids. We had a kid to

937
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:44,160
Speaker 1: work for us, that guided for us, and I put

938
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:47,400
Speaker 1: that in air quotes. He just hung around the camp

939
00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:51,279
Speaker 1: and he hunted with us, and he'd learned he learned

940
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:52,920
Speaker 1: to hunt ducks, and he learned to call and he

941
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:55,880
Speaker 1: got it was the best thing in the world. Watching

942
00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:59,680
Speaker 1: that kid go from zero to a hundred and he

943
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:01,680
Speaker 1: didn't eat us. You know, two or three years he

944
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:04,879
Speaker 1: was ready to go on his own. Honey, still hunting

945
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:08,200
Speaker 1: with us. But watching somebody grow and develop and do

946
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:10,600
Speaker 1: their own thing and being able to go out and

947
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:14,600
Speaker 1: find their own spots and and do that is is

948
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:19,080
Speaker 1: to me, it's very rewarding as well. Yeah, I think

949
00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:26,080
Speaker 1: it's the motivation too of the mentee. Like, if you're

950
00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:29,120
Speaker 1: just trying to find a just to sap off a

951
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:32,360
Speaker 1: good spot from somebody, then I got no interest in

952
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:35,840
Speaker 1: taking you hunting. If you really are interested in learning,

953
00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:39,120
Speaker 1: I mean, I'll probably open the treasure fold to you know.

954
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:42,120
Speaker 1: I mean like you perceived that about people of like

955
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:45,920
Speaker 1: what's their intention? You know? I think that means a

956
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:49,440
Speaker 1: lot too. But I think the rule of thumb is

957
00:56:49,560 --> 00:56:54,520
Speaker 1: is take nothing for granted and be explicit in your communication.

958
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:59,080
Speaker 1: So if somebody's taking you hunting, just straight up ask them,

959
00:56:59,239 --> 00:57:02,000
Speaker 1: or or just assume that you can never go back

960
00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:05,560
Speaker 1: there and then maybe they slip in. Uh, if you

961
00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:07,520
Speaker 1: want to come back in here next week and try

962
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:11,760
Speaker 1: to kill that turkey, go for it. I can promise

963
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:15,080
Speaker 1: you that that happens more times than not. When you

964
00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:18,760
Speaker 1: don't ask, yeah, can I come clack and I come

965
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:23,480
Speaker 1: back in here? You always tell me no. But it's

966
00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:29,240
Speaker 1: kind of But when but when someone when I see

967
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:36,840
Speaker 1: somebody enjoying themselves and you've got no inclination at all

968
00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:39,120
Speaker 1: that they're going to come back tomorrow with the brother

969
00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:41,600
Speaker 1: in law, he's like, man, come on back in here,

970
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:44,120
Speaker 1: you know, or or whatever, you know, whatever it is,

971
00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:49,280
Speaker 1: and it's just the respect thing I think is we'll

972
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:54,000
Speaker 1: go along ways. And that's a cool part of friendship too.

973
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:57,880
Speaker 1: I mean, really, I keep hammering this down, I wrote

974
00:57:57,920 --> 00:58:01,360
Speaker 1: in the editorial the May June issue Barney Magazine, But man,

975
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:05,840
Speaker 1: what gives value to our hunting is our relationships it really.

976
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:09,400
Speaker 1: I mean, like we think Clay Nucom thinks that he's

977
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:13,640
Speaker 1: after big bucks and big bears, and that's like the

978
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:16,720
Speaker 1: goal of what I'm trying to do. That is not

979
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:20,640
Speaker 1: entirely true. You take human relationships out of the picture,

980
00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:25,080
Speaker 1: and that has way less value. And I mean, like,

981
00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:28,360
Speaker 1: I want to go kill a bear so that I

982
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:31,960
Speaker 1: can come home and tell you guys the story that

983
00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:35,360
Speaker 1: that that's what has value. And and even to a

984
00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:41,840
Speaker 1: very more much more primitive, functional human understanding. Hunting has

985
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:45,880
Speaker 1: always been about provision for other people. I mean, like

986
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:49,400
Speaker 1: a hunter goes out, he leaves his family and brings

987
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:52,520
Speaker 1: back provisions that allows them to live to share. So

988
00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:54,880
Speaker 1: I mean like this whole hunting thing, I mean like

989
00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:58,640
Speaker 1: we you know, there's all these different representations of hunting

990
00:58:58,680 --> 00:59:00,880
Speaker 1: that we see on social media to you and and

991
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:03,720
Speaker 1: we do like to nerd out about the tactics and

992
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:06,640
Speaker 1: about how tough somebody is if they're a hard hunter,

993
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:10,200
Speaker 1: good they are. But really a lot of it is

994
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:12,960
Speaker 1: about the kinship that we have with people. And I

995
00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:15,560
Speaker 1: say that to say I enjoy sharing a spot with

996
00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:18,480
Speaker 1: a good friend. Well, and I think and I think

997
00:59:18,600 --> 00:59:22,280
Speaker 1: that probably is what motivates a lot of us to

998
00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:26,400
Speaker 1: do that sharing that we do that sometimes brings us

999
00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:30,720
Speaker 1: great rewards but also carries great harm. Sometimes it's like

1000
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:33,080
Speaker 1: a double edged sword. You know, we want to share

1001
00:59:33,120 --> 00:59:38,440
Speaker 1: that with other people two to build those connections with them.

1002
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:42,480
Speaker 1: And you don't, in in that rush to feel to

1003
00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:48,040
Speaker 1: feel the happiness of sharing with others, you forget about

1004
00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:51,320
Speaker 1: the possible harm that can come on the back side

1005
00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:55,920
Speaker 1: of that um from being too free with your information

1006
00:59:56,200 --> 01:00:02,040
Speaker 1: or from uh saying you know, I mean you can

1007
01:00:02,040 --> 01:00:04,040
Speaker 1: take that a lot of different ways, pictures that we

1008
01:00:04,120 --> 01:00:07,560
Speaker 1: share on social media and stuff like that. But man,

1009
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:12,040
Speaker 1: it's it's hard to be a human sometimes, you know.

1010
01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:15,280
Speaker 1: I find that there's different gradients of hunters. Like the

1011
01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:17,760
Speaker 1: other day on our Turkey public land Turkey Hunt River,

1012
01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:20,320
Speaker 1: and I came out and there was a truck parked

1013
01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:23,320
Speaker 1: by my truck, and it upset me. For I was like,

1014
01:00:23,560 --> 01:00:25,680
Speaker 1: oh God, this guy, because I thought he'd parked his

1015
01:00:25,880 --> 01:00:29,360
Speaker 1: money a party. He even had a white pickup. It

1016
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:31,600
Speaker 1: was like me, uh, and I thought he had parked

1017
01:00:31,640 --> 01:00:34,360
Speaker 1: beside me and just walked right in on us. Well,

1018
01:00:34,640 --> 01:00:37,440
Speaker 1: when I got out there, sure enough, it's the same situation.

1019
01:00:37,640 --> 01:00:40,840
Speaker 1: It was not a bad guy. It was an old

1020
01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:43,160
Speaker 1: man sitting on the tailgate of his truck. He was

1021
01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:45,960
Speaker 1: waiting for us to come out. And man, he told

1022
01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:49,800
Speaker 1: me everything he knew about turkeys in that part of

1023
01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:52,200
Speaker 1: the world. I mean, he told me about turkeys, he'd

1024
01:00:52,200 --> 01:00:54,800
Speaker 1: heard Goblin that day. He told me where they were

1025
01:00:54,800 --> 01:00:56,680
Speaker 1: going to cross the road, he told me. I mean,

1026
01:00:56,720 --> 01:01:01,440
Speaker 1: he just nothing was nothing was off limits. And um,

1027
01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:06,920
Speaker 1: you know there's some people and you kind of like

1028
01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:10,800
Speaker 1: that guy, and I didn't use any information that he

1029
01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:13,520
Speaker 1: gave me to do anything, and you know, I just

1030
01:01:13,560 --> 01:01:17,120
Speaker 1: went home. But but then there's the other guy that

1031
01:01:17,640 --> 01:01:21,320
Speaker 1: is just so tight lipped. You know, well that that

1032
01:01:21,400 --> 01:01:24,640
Speaker 1: brings up a great point that another kind of line

1033
01:01:24,680 --> 01:01:27,720
Speaker 1: in the in the topics that we that I kind

1034
01:01:27,720 --> 01:01:32,480
Speaker 1: of gathered, and and that's the idea of two guys

1035
01:01:32,520 --> 01:01:35,960
Speaker 1: cross paths. How much information are you going to give

1036
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:39,360
Speaker 1: that guy if y'all are walking in opposite directions. I mean,

1037
01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:43,920
Speaker 1: there was there was some pretty colorful stories shared about

1038
01:01:44,520 --> 01:01:48,600
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'll i'll, I'll tell him I was hunting

1039
01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:51,680
Speaker 1: back over on this side over here, and I was

1040
01:01:51,720 --> 01:01:53,760
Speaker 1: actually over there and I heard a bunch of gobbles

1041
01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:57,800
Speaker 1: back over there, blah blah blah blah blah, or I'll

1042
01:01:57,840 --> 01:01:59,960
Speaker 1: I'll tell him I was hunting in a completely different

1043
01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:06,240
Speaker 1: county or whatever. You know. I mean, I don't have

1044
01:02:06,320 --> 01:02:09,280
Speaker 1: to enumerate all the stories. People know. People can think

1045
01:02:09,320 --> 01:02:13,280
Speaker 1: in their heads what it was. But point being is

1046
01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:17,080
Speaker 1: that I think what I took away from that was

1047
01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:23,160
Speaker 1: going into the situation, I should know what am I

1048
01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:26,280
Speaker 1: How am I going to interact with somebody? How much

1049
01:02:26,280 --> 01:02:28,920
Speaker 1: am I going to interact with somebody. If I'm when

1050
01:02:28,920 --> 01:02:33,360
Speaker 1: I'm bear hunting this fall and I crossed paths with somebody.

1051
01:02:33,760 --> 01:02:38,040
Speaker 1: If if I've got a piece of information that's valuable

1052
01:02:38,080 --> 01:02:40,040
Speaker 1: to me, how much of that information am I going

1053
01:02:40,080 --> 01:02:44,480
Speaker 1: to share? I don't think you're bound by any code.

1054
01:02:45,040 --> 01:02:50,440
Speaker 1: I don't think that you're bound to don't tell a

1055
01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:56,920
Speaker 1: lie because you'll go to hell. But moral code, you

1056
01:02:58,040 --> 01:03:04,400
Speaker 1: anything that would be a safety factor to somebody, like hey,

1057
01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:07,440
Speaker 1: when you go back, when you're crossing those falls over there,

1058
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:09,640
Speaker 1: you step on that big rock out in the middle,

1059
01:03:09,680 --> 01:03:13,160
Speaker 1: you're you're going swimming, or I saw a big rattlesnake

1060
01:03:13,400 --> 01:03:19,120
Speaker 1: or whatever. You you you tell somebody something that could

1061
01:03:19,840 --> 01:03:22,400
Speaker 1: anything that would be a potential harm to him. But

1062
01:03:22,440 --> 01:03:23,960
Speaker 1: you don't have to tell him that you heard three

1063
01:03:23,960 --> 01:03:26,480
Speaker 1: turkeys in there. There's no there's nothing wrong with that,

1064
01:03:27,240 --> 01:03:29,520
Speaker 1: you know, And I've had what if he asks you

1065
01:03:29,560 --> 01:03:32,320
Speaker 1: if you saw I got a good I got a

1066
01:03:32,320 --> 01:03:34,520
Speaker 1: recent example, but go ahead, brand Yeah, if he asked

1067
01:03:34,520 --> 01:03:35,720
Speaker 1: you that, and you know what, you know, I've heard

1068
01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:41,600
Speaker 1: him in here before. Good at this game, way better

1069
01:03:41,640 --> 01:03:46,360
Speaker 1: than me. That's a former law enforcement officer. H Yeah,

1070
01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:50,400
Speaker 1: they play nuanced really Brant's really good at it. Yeah. Now,

1071
01:03:50,840 --> 01:03:54,360
Speaker 1: if my modus operanda in the woods is I will

1072
01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:56,360
Speaker 1: not lie to someone. I mean, I won't lie to

1073
01:03:56,400 --> 01:03:58,600
Speaker 1: anybody any other day, So I don't know why I

1074
01:03:58,600 --> 01:04:01,479
Speaker 1: would lie to him on the day I'm hunting. I mean,

1075
01:04:01,720 --> 01:04:03,720
Speaker 1: so guy says, do you hear any turkeys? If I

1076
01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:06,560
Speaker 1: heard a turkey and you asked Clay nucom in the woods.

1077
01:04:07,240 --> 01:04:09,840
Speaker 1: If you directly ask me did you hear a turkey?

1078
01:04:10,960 --> 01:04:13,640
Speaker 1: And I say I did not, then I truly did not.

1079
01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:15,960
Speaker 1: Now I may not answer you. I mean, I'm it's

1080
01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:20,040
Speaker 1: possible I could evade, but I'm not gonna lie to you.

1081
01:04:20,120 --> 01:04:24,600
Speaker 1: Do you understand? But the other thing is is, uh,

1082
01:04:24,880 --> 01:04:26,760
Speaker 1: you don't have to tell a whole story like that.

1083
01:04:27,080 --> 01:04:29,680
Speaker 1: We were in Montana a couple of weeks ago and

1084
01:04:29,960 --> 01:04:32,840
Speaker 1: walk walk out to the truck and uh, a full

1085
01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:35,760
Speaker 1: wheel drive vehicle pulls up. It's clear it's a hunter.

1086
01:04:36,200 --> 01:04:40,480
Speaker 1: He's wondering what we're doing. And uh, I'm not the

1087
01:04:40,520 --> 01:04:43,440
Speaker 1: best at this game. And uh, the guys I was

1088
01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:46,960
Speaker 1: hunting with were very surprised at how much information I

1089
01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:50,400
Speaker 1: gave out to these guys. Now it was my spot,

1090
01:04:50,440 --> 01:04:52,200
Speaker 1: so I could do whatever I wanted. They were with

1091
01:04:52,360 --> 01:04:56,200
Speaker 1: my My guys were with me. So but this guy

1092
01:04:56,320 --> 01:04:59,200
Speaker 1: just said, what are y'all doing? Man, we're bear hunting?

1093
01:04:59,840 --> 01:05:03,479
Speaker 1: You see any bears? Yeah? We did way the heck

1094
01:05:03,480 --> 01:05:05,520
Speaker 1: back in there. I was like, I mean it was

1095
01:05:05,560 --> 01:05:07,760
Speaker 1: like six miles from where we were standings where we

1096
01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:09,760
Speaker 1: saw a bear. So I was like, man, at the

1097
01:05:09,880 --> 01:05:13,040
Speaker 1: very back of that place. I mean, really, if that

1098
01:05:13,080 --> 01:05:16,480
Speaker 1: guy wanted to go in there after that bear, more power. Uh.

1099
01:05:16,520 --> 01:05:19,200
Speaker 1: And then but I did not tell him a thing

1100
01:05:19,360 --> 01:05:21,760
Speaker 1: about the turkeys that we had just worked for two

1101
01:05:21,800 --> 01:05:26,400
Speaker 1: hours and that, you know. And so the guys were like, man,

1102
01:05:26,440 --> 01:05:28,120
Speaker 1: you have that got a lot of information. I said.

1103
01:05:28,120 --> 01:05:30,439
Speaker 1: I didn't tell him about our turkeys. He didn't ask

1104
01:05:30,440 --> 01:05:37,240
Speaker 1: about turkeys. But I think anyway, yeah, that's a tough one.

1105
01:05:37,400 --> 01:05:39,000
Speaker 1: Most of the time, it's best to just keep your

1106
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:42,080
Speaker 1: mouth shut unless but I've been in the woods too

1107
01:05:42,080 --> 01:05:44,320
Speaker 1: where I've met a guy that it's like, I'm going

1108
01:05:44,360 --> 01:05:46,600
Speaker 1: home and i ain't coming back here for the rest

1109
01:05:46,600 --> 01:05:49,280
Speaker 1: of the year. I'll tell him everything. I know. Yeah,

1110
01:05:49,360 --> 01:05:51,400
Speaker 1: I've been in that same situation. You know, you just

1111
01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:53,440
Speaker 1: help a guy out, you know, he's just like you.

1112
01:05:53,560 --> 01:05:58,840
Speaker 1: He just wants to kill. But yeah, if you're in

1113
01:05:58,880 --> 01:06:01,960
Speaker 1: the heat of the hunt, you know you're not all

1114
01:06:02,040 --> 01:06:04,000
Speaker 1: but you're gonna be pretty close lift and you're not.

1115
01:06:04,120 --> 01:06:07,400
Speaker 1: I mean, let him do his own scouting. There's nothing

1116
01:06:07,440 --> 01:06:11,320
Speaker 1: wrong with that, dude, to do the legwork. You'll find something. Yeah,

1117
01:06:11,320 --> 01:06:13,640
Speaker 1: you know, there's nothing wrong with saying. You know, I've

1118
01:06:13,640 --> 01:06:16,520
Speaker 1: been all over this this country back here, I've been

1119
01:06:16,560 --> 01:06:18,360
Speaker 1: all over that country over there. There's just as many

1120
01:06:18,400 --> 01:06:20,640
Speaker 1: turkeys over there that is here. You just gotta get

1121
01:06:20,640 --> 01:06:23,120
Speaker 1: out and find them. Well, Hey, the other side of

1122
01:06:23,120 --> 01:06:26,360
Speaker 1: the coin is being the guy that's getting information. That's right.

1123
01:06:27,240 --> 01:06:30,440
Speaker 1: I was recently hunting with a gentleman up in Montana

1124
01:06:30,520 --> 01:06:33,720
Speaker 1: that was very good at getting information from people. He

1125
01:06:33,880 --> 01:06:36,520
Speaker 1: when he when we came up on people in the woods,

1126
01:06:36,880 --> 01:06:39,880
Speaker 1: which we came upon a quite a few, he was

1127
01:06:40,080 --> 01:06:43,600
Speaker 1: constantly the first one to ask questions like he he

1128
01:06:43,680 --> 01:06:47,600
Speaker 1: got them on the kind of defensive and most people

1129
01:06:47,720 --> 01:06:50,760
Speaker 1: just spilled the beans. Hurting turkeys out here. And now

1130
01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:54,640
Speaker 1: that's because they follow the Clay Nucom Code of not

1131
01:06:54,760 --> 01:06:57,880
Speaker 1: telling lives. Yeah, well, you would be surprised. It's been

1132
01:06:57,880 --> 01:07:00,520
Speaker 1: my experience in the law enforcement game of the last

1133
01:07:00,520 --> 01:07:04,720
Speaker 1: twenty nine years that people like to talk and if

1134
01:07:04,800 --> 01:07:07,360
Speaker 1: you will ask a question and shut up and listen,

1135
01:07:07,960 --> 01:07:10,880
Speaker 1: they will answer it, and lots of times they'll volunteer

1136
01:07:10,920 --> 01:07:15,120
Speaker 1: it more than you asked. That's me. Yeah, I would

1137
01:07:15,160 --> 01:07:19,200
Speaker 1: be a terrible criminal. We cannot. I'm driving from now

1138
01:07:19,240 --> 01:07:24,080
Speaker 1: on anytime we cross them. Had to give me a

1139
01:07:24,080 --> 01:07:26,840
Speaker 1: tutorial and how to cross the Canadian border every time?

1140
01:07:28,240 --> 01:07:35,400
Speaker 1: Better at it? All? Right? How what what's our time? Okay,

1141
01:07:35,480 --> 01:07:37,880
Speaker 1: let's do uh, let's do James, Why don't you pick

1142
01:07:38,040 --> 01:07:41,400
Speaker 1: one others we have done like two of our twelve

1143
01:07:41,480 --> 01:07:45,200
Speaker 1: here man. Okay, let's talk about some real operational stuff

1144
01:07:45,240 --> 01:07:47,080
Speaker 1: you had talked about, like how to park on the

1145
01:07:47,160 --> 01:07:49,760
Speaker 1: road and things like that. So let's let's try to

1146
01:07:49,800 --> 01:07:52,840
Speaker 1: cover some of those things that are people need to

1147
01:07:52,840 --> 01:07:56,040
Speaker 1: try to be sure we won't go down rabbit trails. Yeah, yeah,

1148
01:07:56,240 --> 01:07:59,400
Speaker 1: so to me one of the you coach coach me

1149
01:07:59,480 --> 01:08:02,680
Speaker 1: through this with more questions. But let me answer that question, James,

1150
01:08:02,800 --> 01:08:05,520
Speaker 1: find another one. But like like parking on a road,

1151
01:08:05,560 --> 01:08:07,720
Speaker 1: a lot of times you're on a secondary road, like

1152
01:08:07,800 --> 01:08:12,440
Speaker 1: a two track pick trail road that is only open

1153
01:08:12,520 --> 01:08:14,720
Speaker 1: for one vehicle to drive down, and a lot of

1154
01:08:14,760 --> 01:08:17,600
Speaker 1: times your I mean, your truck is your signal to

1155
01:08:17,640 --> 01:08:20,479
Speaker 1: the world that you're hunting in there, but you still

1156
01:08:20,560 --> 01:08:23,599
Speaker 1: do not own that road, and you have to park

1157
01:08:23,680 --> 01:08:26,640
Speaker 1: off that road such that someone could get around you,

1158
01:08:27,240 --> 01:08:30,760
Speaker 1: even though you don't want him to. Yeah, and even

1159
01:08:30,760 --> 01:08:33,320
Speaker 1: though you shouldn't. Like if you're on a tiny little

1160
01:08:33,400 --> 01:08:35,240
Speaker 1: road that goes back in there a half mile and

1161
01:08:35,280 --> 01:08:38,160
Speaker 1: dead ends, and a quarter mile into that road, you

1162
01:08:38,200 --> 01:08:40,439
Speaker 1: see a truck park and you know that that guy

1163
01:08:41,000 --> 01:08:44,559
Speaker 1: is down at that culvisac al hooton, you turn around

1164
01:08:44,600 --> 01:08:48,280
Speaker 1: and go back. But at the same time, you cannot

1165
01:08:48,400 --> 01:08:52,320
Speaker 1: block that road because what if I've dropped my son

1166
01:08:52,400 --> 01:08:56,000
Speaker 1: off down there and I've gone somewhere else and I

1167
01:08:56,000 --> 01:08:58,240
Speaker 1: gotta come back and pick him up. Or what if

1168
01:08:58,280 --> 01:09:01,760
Speaker 1: there's a side road beyond where you're at and there's

1169
01:09:01,800 --> 01:09:04,080
Speaker 1: somebody parked in there that you don't know that at

1170
01:09:04,120 --> 01:09:05,720
Speaker 1: nine o'clock in the morning is going to come back

1171
01:09:05,760 --> 01:09:07,160
Speaker 1: out and not be able to get around your true

1172
01:09:07,200 --> 01:09:09,280
Speaker 1: I mean just stuff like that. So you've always got

1173
01:09:09,360 --> 01:09:12,080
Speaker 1: to pull away off the road. You can leave your

1174
01:09:12,360 --> 01:09:15,080
Speaker 1: leave your you know, the back corner out just a

1175
01:09:15,120 --> 01:09:19,040
Speaker 1: little good if for nothing else, do it for the

1176
01:09:19,360 --> 01:09:23,559
Speaker 1: aspect of safety. If somebody gets hurt, first responders, you've

1177
01:09:23,560 --> 01:09:26,120
Speaker 1: got to get back in there, and you would want

1178
01:09:26,160 --> 01:09:28,960
Speaker 1: the same thing afforded you. And I have run into

1179
01:09:29,000 --> 01:09:32,759
Speaker 1: that in in in my life trying to get somewhere

1180
01:09:33,240 --> 01:09:37,760
Speaker 1: and to help somebody, and somebody part like that unintentional obviously,

1181
01:09:37,840 --> 01:09:40,000
Speaker 1: but the result is the same. You can't get back

1182
01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:41,880
Speaker 1: in there and help somebody, So do it for just

1183
01:09:41,960 --> 01:09:47,360
Speaker 1: for the sake of that. Uh, let's talk about camps

1184
01:09:47,400 --> 01:09:50,160
Speaker 1: real quick. So that's part of the scouting that I

1185
01:09:50,200 --> 01:09:53,200
Speaker 1: was doing recently, was looking for places to set up camp,

1186
01:09:54,040 --> 01:09:57,000
Speaker 1: and obviously I found a bunch of places. So now

1187
01:09:57,040 --> 01:10:00,080
Speaker 1: the next thing in my head is how soon is

1188
01:10:00,160 --> 01:10:05,320
Speaker 1: too soon? And you know what, what do I need

1189
01:10:05,400 --> 01:10:09,320
Speaker 1: to do? Like two air quotes, I'm gonna use air

1190
01:10:09,400 --> 01:10:13,759
Speaker 1: quotes hold camp? You know, I don't think I don't

1191
01:10:13,760 --> 01:10:15,760
Speaker 1: personally feel like it'd be right to go in there

1192
01:10:15,760 --> 01:10:17,880
Speaker 1: three or four days before I intend to come set

1193
01:10:17,960 --> 01:10:23,680
Speaker 1: up the camp and park something there. Um. So this

1194
01:10:23,720 --> 01:10:28,720
Speaker 1: is a single camp site, Yeah, yeah, I think this is.

1195
01:10:29,320 --> 01:10:32,160
Speaker 1: Here's my question to you. Does this camp size give

1196
01:10:32,240 --> 01:10:36,519
Speaker 1: you access to a place that you can't get access

1197
01:10:36,560 --> 01:10:40,400
Speaker 1: to it any other way? No? No, this So I'm

1198
01:10:40,439 --> 01:10:42,360
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna use my own examples. This will be

1199
01:10:44,240 --> 01:10:47,680
Speaker 1: a place where I could go set up camp of

1200
01:10:47,720 --> 01:10:52,840
Speaker 1: a certain size and comfort level, but my intention is

1201
01:10:52,880 --> 01:10:55,599
Speaker 1: to use that as my base of operations and I'm

1202
01:10:55,600 --> 01:10:59,240
Speaker 1: gonna go hunt. Okay, So you're not really trying to

1203
01:10:59,320 --> 01:11:02,360
Speaker 1: hold a hunt holding a hunting spot, because there's a difference.

1204
01:11:02,360 --> 01:11:05,040
Speaker 1: I want, I want to spot to camp because you could.

1205
01:11:05,120 --> 01:11:08,320
Speaker 1: I mean, the other scenario would be dead end dead

1206
01:11:08,439 --> 01:11:11,720
Speaker 1: end road that goes into all this big country and

1207
01:11:11,720 --> 01:11:14,479
Speaker 1: that's the only access point and you're trying to lock

1208
01:11:14,600 --> 01:11:17,839
Speaker 1: down a hunting location. I think that would be different

1209
01:11:18,840 --> 01:11:22,120
Speaker 1: in my mind, James, if you want to do the

1210
01:11:22,200 --> 01:11:25,800
Speaker 1: extra work and have that much forethought, go in there

1211
01:11:25,840 --> 01:11:28,439
Speaker 1: three days before and set up a tent. I personally

1212
01:11:28,439 --> 01:11:31,040
Speaker 1: wouldn't have a problem with that, especially if it wasn't

1213
01:11:31,080 --> 01:11:36,280
Speaker 1: blocking some major access point to all this country. Do

1214
01:11:36,280 --> 01:11:38,240
Speaker 1: you see what I'm saying? Like that, Like there's some

1215
01:11:38,280 --> 01:11:40,799
Speaker 1: places out here where you can find one of those spots,

1216
01:11:40,800 --> 01:11:43,040
Speaker 1: and then there's a two track that runs out the

1217
01:11:43,040 --> 01:11:45,800
Speaker 1: back of it. Yeah, and and and you're clearly just

1218
01:11:45,840 --> 01:11:48,160
Speaker 1: trying to save a Look, there was one place in

1219
01:11:48,160 --> 01:11:52,040
Speaker 1: the Ozarks that we hunt that it's a long finger

1220
01:11:52,160 --> 01:11:56,240
Speaker 1: ridge that always has turkeys on it. And these people

1221
01:11:56,280 --> 01:11:59,080
Speaker 1: would come in like two weeks before turkey season and

1222
01:11:59,120 --> 01:12:02,080
Speaker 1: put a camper up right in that spot. And I

1223
01:12:02,080 --> 01:12:04,679
Speaker 1: mean they they weren't just looking for a place to camp.

1224
01:12:04,720 --> 01:12:07,080
Speaker 1: They were hunting that ridge. And that was kind of like,

1225
01:12:07,240 --> 01:12:10,479
Speaker 1: come on, man, Uh in halftime, they wouldn't be there.

1226
01:12:10,520 --> 01:12:12,240
Speaker 1: And so I just parked by their camper and walk

1227
01:12:12,320 --> 01:12:14,960
Speaker 1: in there when they weren't there. You know, I was like,

1228
01:12:15,040 --> 01:12:18,000
Speaker 1: if you're not gonna even be here, they were blocking

1229
01:12:18,000 --> 01:12:22,519
Speaker 1: a hunting location. Yeah, so your deal. I wouldn't have

1230
01:12:22,560 --> 01:12:25,200
Speaker 1: a problem personal I wouldn't either. And we saw that

1231
01:12:25,240 --> 01:12:28,240
Speaker 1: in New Mexico. Remember we were hunting straight out there

1232
01:12:28,520 --> 01:12:31,400
Speaker 1: and they had the uh we were bear hunting, and

1233
01:12:31,520 --> 01:12:36,000
Speaker 1: they had the mule deer season coming up. People were

1234
01:12:36,000 --> 01:12:39,080
Speaker 1: bringing campers in Yeah, a couple of days beforehand just

1235
01:12:39,120 --> 01:12:43,280
Speaker 1: to get a billion acres. I mean, who cares, I didn't.

1236
01:12:43,439 --> 01:12:46,920
Speaker 1: Does that help you? Yeah? That helps me a lot, actually,

1237
01:12:47,320 --> 01:12:51,640
Speaker 1: because I mean set it up now it may I'm

1238
01:12:51,680 --> 01:12:55,720
Speaker 1: gonna get the lawnmower down there. I mean, I think

1239
01:12:55,760 --> 01:12:58,000
Speaker 1: the key to any public land huntings to have at

1240
01:12:58,040 --> 01:13:01,639
Speaker 1: least three options. Yeah, Well, that's that's what I've been thinking.

1241
01:13:02,240 --> 01:13:05,160
Speaker 1: You know, I identified several places where we could go

1242
01:13:05,320 --> 01:13:07,200
Speaker 1: and knowing what I want to try to get in there,

1243
01:13:07,920 --> 01:13:10,200
Speaker 1: you know, I can go to any one of those spots,

1244
01:13:10,200 --> 01:13:12,240
Speaker 1: and maybe what I'll do is send somebody ahead of

1245
01:13:12,280 --> 01:13:15,640
Speaker 1: me with a small car go drive this loop and

1246
01:13:15,680 --> 01:13:18,559
Speaker 1: tell me which one to go to so that I

1247
01:13:18,600 --> 01:13:20,960
Speaker 1: don't have to because I'm if I'm gonna take a

1248
01:13:20,960 --> 01:13:23,200
Speaker 1: camper and well, yeah, and your your your deal is

1249
01:13:23,240 --> 01:13:24,680
Speaker 1: a little bit harder because you've got to find a

1250
01:13:24,680 --> 01:13:27,439
Speaker 1: spot with a camper. I would absolutely go in there

1251
01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:30,880
Speaker 1: a week before James, also, really because it's different, like

1252
01:13:30,920 --> 01:13:34,240
Speaker 1: if you if you're setting up a camper, you've got

1253
01:13:34,240 --> 01:13:36,640
Speaker 1: to have a really specific place. I think a lot

1254
01:13:36,680 --> 01:13:39,400
Speaker 1: of this goes back to motivation. I mean, like if

1255
01:13:39,439 --> 01:13:41,519
Speaker 1: I knew that about you, I would not be upset

1256
01:13:41,600 --> 01:13:44,320
Speaker 1: that you camped in that spot a week before. These

1257
01:13:44,320 --> 01:13:46,840
Speaker 1: people that put their camper there again that I was

1258
01:13:46,920 --> 01:13:50,240
Speaker 1: upset with. They weren't there there, they were blocking a

1259
01:13:50,640 --> 01:13:55,240
Speaker 1: hunting location, different, different, they were probably lived local and

1260
01:13:55,280 --> 01:13:58,320
Speaker 1: just throw the camper in there too. Yeah, there's one

1261
01:13:58,360 --> 01:14:00,880
Speaker 1: place that we hunt close to where I took you

1262
01:14:00,920 --> 01:14:04,000
Speaker 1: this year where somebody left the camper and they left

1263
01:14:04,080 --> 01:14:06,799
Speaker 1: the camper like it's been there for like three years

1264
01:14:09,360 --> 01:14:12,280
Speaker 1: storage space. Eventually the forester is gonna have to haul

1265
01:14:12,360 --> 01:14:14,759
Speaker 1: it off. Well normally, you know, especially on state ground,

1266
01:14:14,800 --> 01:14:16,720
Speaker 1: you're limited on the amount of time that you can

1267
01:14:16,720 --> 01:14:20,960
Speaker 1: stay in one sea. That's true. Ye, what's another one? Okay,

1268
01:14:21,000 --> 01:14:24,280
Speaker 1: there's a couple more good ones on this list. Um,

1269
01:14:24,400 --> 01:14:26,000
Speaker 1: what do you do if you see a tree stand

1270
01:14:26,000 --> 01:14:27,760
Speaker 1: in the woods? What do you do if you see

1271
01:14:27,760 --> 01:14:30,160
Speaker 1: another hunter in the woods. We kind of talked about

1272
01:14:30,160 --> 01:14:33,120
Speaker 1: that with turkeys. You know, every species I think is

1273
01:14:33,160 --> 01:14:35,439
Speaker 1: gonna be a little bit different depending on is it

1274
01:14:35,520 --> 01:14:38,679
Speaker 1: firearms season, is at bow season? Maybe things like that.

1275
01:14:38,760 --> 01:14:41,120
Speaker 1: But I mean, these are things that maybe some of

1276
01:14:41,160 --> 01:14:44,160
Speaker 1: the new hunters really need to hear and understand how

1277
01:14:44,200 --> 01:14:48,080
Speaker 1: to deal with. So the legality I believe of hanging

1278
01:14:48,120 --> 01:14:51,120
Speaker 1: a tree stand in Arkansas on our state land. Don't

1279
01:14:51,200 --> 01:14:54,240
Speaker 1: quote me, but I want to say you you're supposed

1280
01:14:54,240 --> 01:14:55,840
Speaker 1: to be able to leave a stand up for like

1281
01:14:56,160 --> 01:14:59,120
Speaker 1: two weeks or something something like that. At one point

1282
01:14:59,120 --> 01:15:00,880
Speaker 1: one time it was fort days. I don't know if

1283
01:15:00,880 --> 01:15:03,639
Speaker 1: it's okay. So let's say let's just pretend like that's

1284
01:15:03,640 --> 01:15:05,920
Speaker 1: the law. The law is that a stand can be

1285
01:15:06,000 --> 01:15:08,720
Speaker 1: hung up for fourteen days. Now, people leave stands all

1286
01:15:08,760 --> 01:15:13,720
Speaker 1: the time, year round. That happens constantly. It's rarely enforced

1287
01:15:14,640 --> 01:15:18,040
Speaker 1: scene in most places. But so if I walk into

1288
01:15:18,040 --> 01:15:20,760
Speaker 1: a stand, walk into a place and there's a tree

1289
01:15:20,800 --> 01:15:25,160
Speaker 1: stand there, it would be a pretty massive etiquette violation

1290
01:15:25,280 --> 01:15:28,000
Speaker 1: to go forty yards away and hanging to the tree stand,

1291
01:15:28,479 --> 01:15:34,920
Speaker 1: right unless you yeah, that stand is covered in leaves. Yes,

1292
01:15:34,960 --> 01:15:36,800
Speaker 1: that's what I was about to say. Yeah, I mean

1293
01:15:36,840 --> 01:15:39,080
Speaker 1: if it's a new tree stand, and you can tell

1294
01:15:39,120 --> 01:15:42,960
Speaker 1: this dude hung this a week ago, Yeah, get the

1295
01:15:42,960 --> 01:15:45,400
Speaker 1: heck out of there. You go somewhere else. Now, you

1296
01:15:45,439 --> 01:15:47,880
Speaker 1: find the stand that's been left in there for three years,

1297
01:15:48,720 --> 01:15:51,120
Speaker 1: and you look at the steps and the straps, and

1298
01:15:51,160 --> 01:15:53,840
Speaker 1: you're like, this guy hadn't been here a long time.

1299
01:15:54,240 --> 01:15:57,080
Speaker 1: Many times I've seen that. Well, you can tell that

1300
01:15:57,120 --> 01:15:59,360
Speaker 1: when if the straps are grown into the tree a

1301
01:15:59,400 --> 01:16:03,559
Speaker 1: little bit, they're covered in moss, you know, stuff like that.

1302
01:16:03,880 --> 01:16:07,559
Speaker 1: So hanger standing hunt there. I mean, and you're using

1303
01:16:07,600 --> 01:16:10,400
Speaker 1: other context clues as well. I mean, are their boot

1304
01:16:10,439 --> 01:16:14,080
Speaker 1: tracks in the road where this guy has been in here?

1305
01:16:14,120 --> 01:16:16,640
Speaker 1: Are there? You know? Is there a truck park, there

1306
01:16:16,720 --> 01:16:22,600
Speaker 1: is he in it? Is he in this? Yeah? No?

1307
01:16:22,800 --> 01:16:25,360
Speaker 1: I mean so in general, you're always wanting to get

1308
01:16:25,400 --> 01:16:27,680
Speaker 1: away from people. But just because there's a stand hung

1309
01:16:27,720 --> 01:16:30,960
Speaker 1: there doesn't mean that that guy's claimed that spot for eternity.

1310
01:16:31,840 --> 01:16:33,880
Speaker 1: And it all goes back to context. If you're hunting

1311
01:16:33,880 --> 01:16:35,800
Speaker 1: a place that has a ton of hunters, like there's

1312
01:16:35,800 --> 01:16:38,720
Speaker 1: a w may around here that is just notorious for

1313
01:16:38,800 --> 01:16:42,040
Speaker 1: having a ton of hunters. You can't walk three yards

1314
01:16:42,040 --> 01:16:44,880
Speaker 1: in the woods without finding a tree stand or evidence

1315
01:16:44,960 --> 01:16:48,519
Speaker 1: of people hunting down in some of the other places

1316
01:16:48,520 --> 01:16:51,479
Speaker 1: I hunt. Jeez, if I found a tree stand out somewhere,

1317
01:16:51,520 --> 01:16:55,599
Speaker 1: I would just be like, I'm getting miles away from here.

1318
01:16:56,080 --> 01:17:01,439
Speaker 1: Just guys in spot? Is that that's yeah? Yeah? I

1319
01:17:01,479 --> 01:17:05,599
Speaker 1: think so. Um talk about real quick, let's talk about

1320
01:17:06,479 --> 01:17:10,320
Speaker 1: just you're out hunting, um and you run across you

1321
01:17:10,360 --> 01:17:15,240
Speaker 1: happen to see somebody else, or you're you're in a

1322
01:17:15,280 --> 01:17:19,400
Speaker 1: spot and you're actively still and somebody else is coming

1323
01:17:19,479 --> 01:17:22,840
Speaker 1: up on you. You know, talk about the safe ways

1324
01:17:22,880 --> 01:17:25,880
Speaker 1: to handle that, talk about the ethical ways to handle that,

1325
01:17:25,920 --> 01:17:28,200
Speaker 1: real quick. I think that's something important to touch on.

1326
01:17:28,800 --> 01:17:31,160
Speaker 1: You know, they talk about that somewhat in Hunter's ed.

1327
01:17:31,240 --> 01:17:34,840
Speaker 1: But you know how many of us remember that? Well.

1328
01:17:34,920 --> 01:17:37,479
Speaker 1: I think first of all, you don't want to start

1329
01:17:37,560 --> 01:17:40,400
Speaker 1: waving your hand or moving a lot. I mean, like

1330
01:17:40,640 --> 01:17:43,559
Speaker 1: somebody's walking towards you, they've got a firearm in their hand.

1331
01:17:43,880 --> 01:17:46,120
Speaker 1: You don't want to be like hey, because I mean

1332
01:17:46,320 --> 01:17:53,160
Speaker 1: they could think that movie. Yeah, they could automatically think

1333
01:17:53,200 --> 01:17:55,800
Speaker 1: that movement was an animal. Thereafter, the first thing to

1334
01:17:55,840 --> 01:17:59,200
Speaker 1: do is the verbally or with a whistle. Yeah, whistle

1335
01:17:59,360 --> 01:18:02,760
Speaker 1: is the best thing. I'm constantly listening. I'll hear a

1336
01:18:02,760 --> 01:18:05,200
Speaker 1: bird whistle when I'm in the woods and I'll stop

1337
01:18:05,240 --> 01:18:08,439
Speaker 1: and look in the trees, thinking that somebody's whistling at me.

1338
01:18:08,960 --> 01:18:11,320
Speaker 1: And you know, I mean what you should do if

1339
01:18:11,360 --> 01:18:13,320
Speaker 1: you see somebody in a tree stand or they whistle

1340
01:18:13,360 --> 01:18:17,799
Speaker 1: at you, is to make eye contact with them, perceive

1341
01:18:17,920 --> 01:18:21,040
Speaker 1: what's happening with them. I mean, and they might flag

1342
01:18:21,080 --> 01:18:23,240
Speaker 1: you over to them. I mean, I've done that before

1343
01:18:23,240 --> 01:18:27,479
Speaker 1: with people. Wave at them, just be like, hey, come over,

1344
01:18:27,520 --> 01:18:30,120
Speaker 1: you know, and maybe you can talk to them. Get

1345
01:18:30,160 --> 01:18:34,519
Speaker 1: over here inside. I mean, somebody in a tree stand

1346
01:18:34,520 --> 01:18:36,599
Speaker 1: probably wouldn't do that, but like if you're on the ground,

1347
01:18:37,400 --> 01:18:39,320
Speaker 1: you know, they might wave you over and you might

1348
01:18:39,360 --> 01:18:42,519
Speaker 1: go greet them or just talk. You know, where are

1349
01:18:42,520 --> 01:18:46,200
Speaker 1: you going, I'm going to go over here? Or eighty

1350
01:18:46,200 --> 01:18:47,920
Speaker 1: percent of the time what you need to do is

1351
01:18:48,080 --> 01:18:51,800
Speaker 1: turn your old butt around back the exact way you

1352
01:18:51,880 --> 01:18:55,519
Speaker 1: came and do something else. I mean, that's that's here's

1353
01:18:55,560 --> 01:19:00,719
Speaker 1: something they're running into somebody that we talk walked about.

1354
01:19:00,760 --> 01:19:03,120
Speaker 1: Everybody's in their bow hunting together, and you don't want

1355
01:19:03,560 --> 01:19:06,400
Speaker 1: but on some public land you can bow hunt and

1356
01:19:06,439 --> 01:19:09,400
Speaker 1: you can squirrel hunt all at the same time. I've

1357
01:19:09,400 --> 01:19:14,760
Speaker 1: been sitting in public land, Uh, far more live bow

1358
01:19:14,840 --> 01:19:19,840
Speaker 1: hunting and here two and like, who's shooting two? Then

1359
01:19:19,880 --> 01:19:23,640
Speaker 1: you see the guy coming through still hunting, and he

1360
01:19:23,760 --> 01:19:25,439
Speaker 1: got just as much right to be there as Yeah,

1361
01:19:25,640 --> 01:19:27,840
Speaker 1: that's a tough one, you know, and you just let

1362
01:19:27,920 --> 01:19:30,000
Speaker 1: him know where you're at. Hey, I'm not a squirrel

1363
01:19:30,040 --> 01:19:34,240
Speaker 1: sitting up here. And usually they just happened my buddies

1364
01:19:35,439 --> 01:19:38,000
Speaker 1: that I squirrel hunting with over here. Uh they said

1365
01:19:38,120 --> 01:19:41,519
Speaker 1: last year their dog went in and tread their road hunting.

1366
01:19:42,040 --> 01:19:43,880
Speaker 1: So they're turning the dogs out and them run down

1367
01:19:43,880 --> 01:19:49,280
Speaker 1: the road and h they the dogs dove off the

1368
01:19:49,360 --> 01:19:52,280
Speaker 1: road and went in there and treat well, they come

1369
01:19:52,320 --> 01:19:55,200
Speaker 1: around the corner and there's a truck park there and

1370
01:19:55,280 --> 01:19:57,639
Speaker 1: their dogs are down their treat and they walked down

1371
01:19:57,680 --> 01:19:59,479
Speaker 1: to the I mean they gotta walk to the dogs,

1372
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:03,960
Speaker 1: and literally the dog is treated like ten feet from

1373
01:20:03,960 --> 01:20:08,800
Speaker 1: a guy to tree stand and he said. They said

1374
01:20:08,840 --> 01:20:10,880
Speaker 1: the guy was real nice and he said he had

1375
01:20:10,920 --> 01:20:18,160
Speaker 1: the squirrel. It went a whole. They were real apologetic.

1376
01:20:18,200 --> 01:20:20,840
Speaker 1: They said, hey, sorry man, we we didn't know you're

1377
01:20:20,880 --> 01:20:23,240
Speaker 1: in here and the dog. Anyway, they said the guy

1378
01:20:23,280 --> 01:20:25,160
Speaker 1: was real nice and they retrieved the dog and got

1379
01:20:25,160 --> 01:20:28,920
Speaker 1: out there. Anyways, Well that's what you do. Yeah, and

1380
01:20:28,960 --> 01:20:32,200
Speaker 1: then kudos to the guy in they're not getting man, Yes,

1381
01:20:32,479 --> 01:20:38,080
Speaker 1: exactly exactly. Hey, hey, talk real quick about something that

1382
01:20:38,120 --> 01:20:41,680
Speaker 1: you just said. Road hunting, So you know, there's a

1383
01:20:41,720 --> 01:20:48,679
Speaker 1: really effective way to hunt. There's all different manners of slight. Okay, people,

1384
01:20:48,760 --> 01:20:54,840
Speaker 1: that was a joke. No, So, I mean there's different

1385
01:20:54,880 --> 01:20:57,920
Speaker 1: manners of roads. If we're talking about National Forest, you

1386
01:20:57,960 --> 01:21:02,679
Speaker 1: know which one's I mean, you're not gonna road hunt

1387
01:21:02,720 --> 01:21:08,880
Speaker 1: for deer with a gun in the truck, right yeah, um,

1388
01:21:08,920 --> 01:21:14,200
Speaker 1: but that's not necessarily the here's an example. Okay, So

1389
01:21:14,240 --> 01:21:19,200
Speaker 1: I went, So I went pronghorn hunting, in Wyoming and

1390
01:21:19,280 --> 01:21:24,000
Speaker 1: we rode around on private ground in the truck all

1391
01:21:24,080 --> 01:21:28,439
Speaker 1: over the place glassen. But you know, we weren't shooting

1392
01:21:28,520 --> 01:21:32,960
Speaker 1: from the truck, but we had the guns in the

1393
01:21:33,000 --> 01:21:37,280
Speaker 1: truck with us. Chambers were empty, but they were otherwise

1394
01:21:37,360 --> 01:21:39,639
Speaker 1: loaded and ready for us if we needed to get

1395
01:21:39,640 --> 01:21:45,040
Speaker 1: out and make a quick whatever. Um. I mean, there's

1396
01:21:45,080 --> 01:21:49,000
Speaker 1: all these different kinds of scenarios, right. So you're in

1397
01:21:49,000 --> 01:21:52,800
Speaker 1: the National Forest. You've got varying levels of roads. You

1398
01:21:53,240 --> 01:21:56,240
Speaker 1: can walk the roads. Some people are gonna use four

1399
01:21:56,280 --> 01:21:59,360
Speaker 1: wheelers or UTVs on the roads. I mean, let's just

1400
01:21:59,400 --> 01:22:03,160
Speaker 1: talk about that real quick, and people may not really

1401
01:22:03,200 --> 01:22:05,599
Speaker 1: realize what really is a good idea or a bad

1402
01:22:05,640 --> 01:22:10,120
Speaker 1: idea on that. Are you saying, like, can you squirrel hunt?

1403
01:22:11,320 --> 01:22:14,880
Speaker 1: I'm not question because well, let me just say, like

1404
01:22:14,960 --> 01:22:18,320
Speaker 1: we we road hunt our coon dogs sometimes and our

1405
01:22:18,360 --> 01:22:22,240
Speaker 1: squirrel dogs, which means and bird dogs. Absolutely. It means

1406
01:22:22,280 --> 01:22:25,280
Speaker 1: you run them in front of mules or your truck

1407
01:22:25,760 --> 01:22:28,679
Speaker 1: or your or your four wheeler and the dogs run

1408
01:22:28,760 --> 01:22:31,160
Speaker 1: down the road trying to scent game and they're not

1409
01:22:31,360 --> 01:22:35,519
Speaker 1: usually pointing or tree and game on the road. Your

1410
01:22:35,520 --> 01:22:38,760
Speaker 1: squirrel dog smells a squirrel and dives off the road

1411
01:22:38,920 --> 01:22:41,760
Speaker 1: and goes down in there hundred yards and trees like

1412
01:22:41,840 --> 01:22:44,040
Speaker 1: that's kind of what happens, right, And so you go

1413
01:22:44,080 --> 01:22:46,880
Speaker 1: off and shoot the squirrel and trucks parked on the

1414
01:22:46,960 --> 01:22:49,800
Speaker 1: road like that's normal, right. But somebody who doesn't know

1415
01:22:49,960 --> 01:22:53,000
Speaker 1: might hear road hunting as a term and think, I

1416
01:22:53,280 --> 01:22:55,080
Speaker 1: drive down the road and if I see a squirrel,

1417
01:22:55,120 --> 01:22:57,960
Speaker 1: I can okay, okay, because I said that, didn't I

1418
01:22:57,960 --> 01:23:00,360
Speaker 1: said we were road hunting. Yeah, okay, that that's what

1419
01:23:00,479 --> 01:23:05,439
Speaker 1: that means. Yeah, And they're they're legalities about you know,

1420
01:23:05,520 --> 01:23:10,760
Speaker 1: how close you can shoot to a paved road for sure? Yeah,

1421
01:23:10,800 --> 01:23:15,439
Speaker 1: any maintained road, State Federer County, maintained road, if somebody

1422
01:23:15,520 --> 01:23:17,880
Speaker 1: lives on it, if you can pretty well figure if

1423
01:23:17,880 --> 01:23:21,479
Speaker 1: a school bus drives down that road, you can't shoot

1424
01:23:21,520 --> 01:23:23,720
Speaker 1: from it. I think you've got to be like a

1425
01:23:23,800 --> 01:23:26,200
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty feet from the center line of the

1426
01:23:26,280 --> 01:23:29,800
Speaker 1: roads that run. Yeah, something like that. So it all

1427
01:23:29,880 --> 01:23:35,559
Speaker 1: comes back to etiquette and being respectful. It all comes

1428
01:23:35,600 --> 01:23:40,679
Speaker 1: back to the individual, seasoned or rookie to know the law,

1429
01:23:41,560 --> 01:23:46,240
Speaker 1: to know what's expected of him legally and safely first

1430
01:23:46,479 --> 01:23:49,080
Speaker 1: before he ever steps out into the woods. And now

1431
01:23:49,240 --> 01:23:52,440
Speaker 1: it's not always the case, but it is their responsibility

1432
01:23:52,960 --> 01:23:55,920
Speaker 1: because the ignorance of the law is no excuse. Yeah,

1433
01:23:58,160 --> 01:24:00,960
Speaker 1: when he gets right down to it now, And that's

1434
01:24:00,960 --> 01:24:03,960
Speaker 1: a good point. I think that, you know, there's the

1435
01:24:04,080 --> 01:24:07,000
Speaker 1: legality of it, which we all need to know one

1436
01:24:07,040 --> 01:24:10,680
Speaker 1: way or the other. And then there are these unwritten

1437
01:24:10,760 --> 01:24:14,960
Speaker 1: rules that we've been talking about that come from experience

1438
01:24:15,120 --> 01:24:18,040
Speaker 1: that sometimes they come from bad experience, and we just

1439
01:24:18,040 --> 01:24:22,400
Speaker 1: get out there and make mistakes. Um, you're gonna I

1440
01:24:22,479 --> 01:24:27,320
Speaker 1: make mistakes. We all do. I think have the wherewithal

1441
01:24:27,400 --> 01:24:29,600
Speaker 1: that if you get out and put yourself in a

1442
01:24:29,680 --> 01:24:35,479
Speaker 1: situation where you walk through somebody's hunt, or you do

1443
01:24:35,680 --> 01:24:40,040
Speaker 1: something that you can tell they're clearly upset with you about.

1444
01:24:41,080 --> 01:24:45,240
Speaker 1: You know, it's the golden rule. It's just like apologize,

1445
01:24:46,200 --> 01:24:47,920
Speaker 1: try to make it right, try to get out of

1446
01:24:47,920 --> 01:24:51,080
Speaker 1: the way, whatever. And you know, I would hate for

1447
01:24:51,280 --> 01:24:54,000
Speaker 1: I would hate for new hunters or people who are

1448
01:24:54,000 --> 01:24:56,240
Speaker 1: just getting back out into it, especially right now. I mean,

1449
01:24:56,240 --> 01:24:58,960
Speaker 1: people are so stressed out anyway. You could kind of

1450
01:24:59,160 --> 01:25:01,600
Speaker 1: look at a lot of negative interactions with people and

1451
01:25:01,960 --> 01:25:04,040
Speaker 1: blame it on the current situation, right, but I would

1452
01:25:04,080 --> 01:25:08,559
Speaker 1: hate for those things too, to turn people off from

1453
01:25:08,600 --> 01:25:13,320
Speaker 1: from hunting or from being out in the woods because they're,

1454
01:25:13,560 --> 01:25:16,360
Speaker 1: like we've talked about, there's so much to gain from

1455
01:25:16,360 --> 01:25:19,280
Speaker 1: being out there. It has this spring. Being out in

1456
01:25:19,320 --> 01:25:22,559
Speaker 1: the woods has helped me keep my sanity. I'm not

1457
01:25:22,760 --> 01:25:25,360
Speaker 1: not making light of that at all. I mean it's

1458
01:25:26,360 --> 01:25:31,479
Speaker 1: it's been good to refresh and and I would hate

1459
01:25:31,520 --> 01:25:33,880
Speaker 1: for somebody to get a bad taste in their mouths

1460
01:25:33,880 --> 01:25:37,760
Speaker 1: and never go back. Yeah. Hopefully, hopefully we've helped some

1461
01:25:37,800 --> 01:25:43,680
Speaker 1: people out with that. Yeah, if not, regardless, James, you

1462
01:25:43,720 --> 01:25:46,679
Speaker 1: and I know where we're going hunting together. When Clay

1463
01:25:46,720 --> 01:25:54,280
Speaker 1: is not going to be there, they're going back in there. No. Now,

1464
01:25:54,320 --> 01:25:56,360
Speaker 1: I think I think this has been a pretty well

1465
01:25:56,439 --> 01:26:00,600
Speaker 1: rounded discussion. Uh, you know, there's a thousands suffix that

1466
01:26:01,160 --> 01:26:05,200
Speaker 1: we probably didn't cover. But in general, if your buddy

1467
01:26:05,200 --> 01:26:07,400
Speaker 1: takes you to a spot, assume you can't go back.

1468
01:26:07,960 --> 01:26:11,720
Speaker 1: If you see another hunter, go as far as possible

1469
01:26:11,840 --> 01:26:15,479
Speaker 1: away from him. Try to understand the cultural norms of

1470
01:26:15,520 --> 01:26:18,200
Speaker 1: the place that you're hunting. If it's a if it's

1471
01:26:18,200 --> 01:26:22,280
Speaker 1: an area that has very sparse hunting pressure, then if

1472
01:26:22,280 --> 01:26:25,240
Speaker 1: you see someone, you should go as far away as possible.

1473
01:26:25,520 --> 01:26:28,479
Speaker 1: If you're in an area that has super dense hunting pressure,

1474
01:26:29,200 --> 01:26:33,120
Speaker 1: then maybe it's acceptable for you to park in the

1475
01:26:33,160 --> 01:26:37,480
Speaker 1: same parking lot as another car. Like just don't assume,

1476
01:26:38,080 --> 01:26:42,599
Speaker 1: don't assume anything, and don't assume that somebody's a bad

1477
01:26:42,680 --> 01:26:49,479
Speaker 1: guy because they don't take you to their don't take

1478
01:26:49,520 --> 01:26:52,160
Speaker 1: you to their spot or you know, again, we're we're

1479
01:26:52,160 --> 01:26:55,360
Speaker 1: talking about how we got to increase hunter number and access,

1480
01:26:55,479 --> 01:26:57,879
Speaker 1: and then we're talking about how to keep our spots secret.

1481
01:26:58,120 --> 01:27:00,599
Speaker 1: That's just the game. Don't don't hate the player, hate

1482
01:27:00,600 --> 01:27:03,040
Speaker 1: the game, and and it's and it's not the game's

1483
01:27:03,080 --> 01:27:06,400
Speaker 1: fault either. You know. Part of hunting is doing your

1484
01:27:06,400 --> 01:27:08,840
Speaker 1: own work. Yeah, and but we all got to have

1485
01:27:08,880 --> 01:27:11,679
Speaker 1: a leg up. I mean I didn't. I've not become

1486
01:27:12,680 --> 01:27:16,480
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, everybody's got to stand on somebody's shoulders.

1487
01:27:16,479 --> 01:27:19,480
Speaker 1: People took me to their spots that I learned from,

1488
01:27:19,560 --> 01:27:22,720
Speaker 1: you know, so so there's no you know, it's not

1489
01:27:22,760 --> 01:27:25,839
Speaker 1: like you've got to be this. You know, nobody's an island.

1490
01:27:25,840 --> 01:27:28,639
Speaker 1: Nobody has done at all on their own nobody. But

1491
01:27:29,120 --> 01:27:32,400
Speaker 1: there is part of being a hunter is being disciplined

1492
01:27:32,560 --> 01:27:34,800
Speaker 1: and doing the work and doing the planning. And that's

1493
01:27:34,800 --> 01:27:39,479
Speaker 1: the fun of it. So so you know that's where

1494
01:27:40,360 --> 01:27:42,720
Speaker 1: and I would say another big rule of thumb and

1495
01:27:42,760 --> 01:27:45,680
Speaker 1: just kind of summarizing what we're talking about is is

1496
01:27:46,800 --> 01:27:52,240
Speaker 1: perceive someone's motivation inside of like spot giving and different things.

1497
01:27:52,280 --> 01:27:54,559
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, there's no you don't have to

1498
01:27:54,560 --> 01:27:57,000
Speaker 1: do the same thing with two people because two people

1499
01:27:57,040 --> 01:28:00,320
Speaker 1: may have two totally different motivations. And you have the

1500
01:28:00,400 --> 01:28:05,200
Speaker 1: right to withhold or give information anybody you want, you know,

1501
01:28:05,280 --> 01:28:09,519
Speaker 1: based upon what you think they're motivations are. And you

1502
01:28:09,560 --> 01:28:15,520
Speaker 1: know there's a uh, somebody told me the other day, Uh,

1503
01:28:15,760 --> 01:28:20,839
Speaker 1: Tennessee mountain bear hunter. Uh. He told me some things

1504
01:28:20,840 --> 01:28:25,639
Speaker 1: are just sacred. Yeah, and we get to call them

1505
01:28:25,680 --> 01:28:29,439
Speaker 1: sacred just because we chose to make them sacred. Sacred

1506
01:28:29,520 --> 01:28:34,559
Speaker 1: meaning set apart special. And he said, things that are

1507
01:28:34,640 --> 01:28:38,439
Speaker 1: sacred make life worth living. And sometimes hunting spots are

1508
01:28:38,479 --> 01:28:42,680
Speaker 1: kind of sacred. It's just like so you don't have

1509
01:28:42,720 --> 01:28:45,679
Speaker 1: to dish them out. But at the same time, sharing

1510
01:28:45,720 --> 01:28:49,360
Speaker 1: something sacred is a valuable part of relationship. So just

1511
01:28:50,280 --> 01:28:54,439
Speaker 1: be wise and uh, and yeah, share, I think I

1512
01:28:54,479 --> 01:28:57,040
Speaker 1: think it's great to share information, you know, if you're

1513
01:28:57,040 --> 01:29:00,760
Speaker 1: a mentor, share information about how they can learn to

1514
01:29:00,840 --> 01:29:04,920
Speaker 1: fish quote unquote, not just give them a fish, because

1515
01:29:05,040 --> 01:29:07,639
Speaker 1: there is a lot of a lot of there's plenty

1516
01:29:07,680 --> 01:29:11,599
Speaker 1: of places to hunt, more so out west, Boy, out west,

1517
01:29:12,479 --> 01:29:15,240
Speaker 1: I mean, Gili, there's so much ground, so much public ground.

1518
01:29:16,160 --> 01:29:18,960
Speaker 1: The culture is a little bit different out there with

1519
01:29:19,080 --> 01:29:21,760
Speaker 1: public land spots than it would be here, which we

1520
01:29:21,840 --> 01:29:23,599
Speaker 1: have quite a bit of public ground here in Arkansas,

1521
01:29:23,680 --> 01:29:26,920
Speaker 1: but still much less than say the state of Montana.

1522
01:29:27,000 --> 01:29:31,439
Speaker 1: That's like, I don't know what percentage of public land

1523
01:29:31,439 --> 01:29:35,880
Speaker 1: it is, but more public land than private land. Uh.

1524
01:29:36,200 --> 01:29:38,080
Speaker 1: You know a lot of those states out there like that.

1525
01:29:38,880 --> 01:29:43,240
Speaker 1: So anyway, just different cultures. Don't assume, keep your mouth

1526
01:29:43,280 --> 01:29:48,240
Speaker 1: shut most of the time. Be safe. Yep, it sounds good.

1527
01:29:49,439 --> 01:29:53,760
Speaker 1: Closing thoughts. That was my summary. I like it. I

1528
01:29:53,840 --> 01:29:56,559
Speaker 1: like them. I like the idea of it. I love

1529
01:29:56,640 --> 01:30:01,519
Speaker 1: public land hunting. I like the the you last in

1530
01:30:01,600 --> 01:30:05,640
Speaker 1: the resource and doing it the right way. You know,

1531
01:30:05,840 --> 01:30:09,200
Speaker 1: it's fun. It's fun. It should be fun. It should

1532
01:30:09,200 --> 01:30:12,120
Speaker 1: be work. You should have to earn it because it

1533
01:30:12,360 --> 01:30:14,559
Speaker 1: it makes it so much better. The reward is so

1534
01:30:14,640 --> 01:30:22,600
Speaker 1: much better. Yeah, I gave my closing thought right. No,

1535
01:30:22,760 --> 01:30:24,720
Speaker 1: I think that's a really good conversation to have. I

1536
01:30:24,760 --> 01:30:28,479
Speaker 1: think overall, it's just you know, just being mindful of

1537
01:30:28,520 --> 01:30:31,400
Speaker 1: others and just being you know, I'm not gonna do

1538
01:30:31,439 --> 01:30:33,439
Speaker 1: anything to try to cause anyone to stumble. And so

1539
01:30:33,479 --> 01:30:35,559
Speaker 1: I think if we understand that we're sharing the same

1540
01:30:35,600 --> 01:30:38,120
Speaker 1: space and then we all have ownership of it, but

1541
01:30:38,240 --> 01:30:42,000
Speaker 1: also like respecting the nuances of of the you know,

1542
01:30:42,160 --> 01:30:44,680
Speaker 1: just things that are culturally accepted. Not just that, but

1543
01:30:44,800 --> 01:30:47,679
Speaker 1: just you know, not assuming things and just putting yourself

1544
01:30:47,680 --> 01:30:51,479
Speaker 1: any other person's shoes, and just you know, just being

1545
01:30:52,600 --> 01:30:54,720
Speaker 1: a person that takes in all things and not just

1546
01:30:54,800 --> 01:30:58,479
Speaker 1: make like a split section second decision, actually consider things

1547
01:30:58,560 --> 01:31:01,760
Speaker 1: before just doing it. You Yeah, um, I think that

1548
01:31:01,760 --> 01:31:04,639
Speaker 1: would solve a lot of a lot of the conflict. Yeah,

1549
01:31:05,400 --> 01:31:10,360
Speaker 1: inside these scenarios right on. Al Right, guys, thanks so much.

1550
01:31:10,520 --> 01:31:14,719
Speaker 1: Thanks James, you bet, Thanks Thanks Colby. Keep the wild

1551
01:31:14,720 --> 01:31:16,960
Speaker 1: places wild so that we'll have a lot more ground

1552
01:31:16,960 --> 01:31:19,040
Speaker 1: where we can all spread out and go hunt. Just

1553
01:31:19,040 --> 01:31:25,719
Speaker 1: don't go dunk uh. Thankscellent