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Speaker 1: Is this a great game or what? Tim and Jeff

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Speaker 1: Kirkshin and today our guest is Doug.

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Speaker 2: Glanville Podcast thirteen Lucky thirteen.

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Speaker 1: Lucky Number thirteen, And Doug's going to be joining us

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Speaker 1: because the game at Rickwood is going to be this

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Speaker 1: Thursday very important at the history of the game. We're

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Speaker 1: going to talk to him about the Negro leagues, the

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Speaker 1: integration of those statistics, about the East West game that

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Speaker 1: was at Coopersound, and so much more. I'm really looking

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Speaker 1: forward to having him on. But we have a kind

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Speaker 1: of a special guest joining us right now live in studio,

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Speaker 1: like to welcome my wife Emily and our daughter McKinley.

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Speaker 2: Highly Hi, Punky, look at her.

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Speaker 1: So this is my dad, his third grandchild, second granddaughter.

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Speaker 1: This is McKinley. And in recording this, we had Father's

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Speaker 1: Day just yesterday and McKinley has a Father's Day present

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Speaker 1: for you.

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Speaker 2: Really, Oh, McKinley, you want to give that to Pop up?

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Speaker 2: Here you go, you go.

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Speaker 1: This is not going to go as well as I

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Speaker 2: Oh, happy Father's Day, Pop, Pop and says love McKinley,

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Speaker 2: And it's about that.

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Speaker 1: It's a baseball that has her handprint on it. So

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Speaker 1: for Father's Day, she got me one and she got

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Speaker 1: you one as well.

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Speaker 2: That is so sweet. Thank you McKinley. Hope Popap will

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Speaker 2: put that in my office as soon as I get home.

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Speaker 2: They go, all right, put it right here.

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Speaker 1: You want to say anything, say Mama, no, thank you,

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Speaker 1: thank you, Emily, thank you McKinley.

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Speaker 2: We're over.

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Speaker 1: We love you by mckeelee.

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Speaker 2: Wow. First off, what did you do yesterday on your

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Speaker 2: first Father's Day as a father.

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Speaker 1: So we we spent my first Father's Day McKinley ten

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Speaker 2: When does that arrive?

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Speaker 1: That should get here today or tomorrow, And I'm.

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Speaker 2: Glad I won't be here when it arrives. And you

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Speaker 1: It's a robot, so it does it all.

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Speaker 2: My mother in law makes the most amazing macaroni salad

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Speaker 2: It was beautiful.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I know you were in the car for this, father.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, six hundred miles in the car yesterday Father's Day.

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Speaker 2: Quite a life I've carved out for myself.

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Speaker 1: Do you remember your first Father's Day?

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Speaker 2: I actually do. I'm not sure. This is a great story, Jeff.

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Speaker 2: But it was June sixteenth, nineteen ninety one. So Kelly

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Speaker 1: All right, let's go into the takeaways in Major League

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Speaker 1: Baseball right now?

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Speaker 2: What do you got? Carlos Rodan had a terrible year

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Speaker 2: A couple of years three, four years ago, Gabe Kapler

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Speaker 2: I share a birthday with him, December the tenth, the tenth. Yes,

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Speaker 2: birthday with you? Do you want to hear my favorite guys? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Dion Sanders and you have the same birthday. Really, Bob

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Speaker 2: Coozy and you have the same birthday. Tell me you

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Speaker 2: know who Bob Coosy is. Abolutely, I can't believe that.

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Speaker 2: Bob Coozy's one of the five greatest point guards ever.

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Speaker 1: He's a great player, and he's a great businessman. I mean,

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Speaker 2: What is a koozie? You know what it's like, the

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Speaker 2: things in the world baseball, basketball and Sidcobs from the sixties,

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Speaker 2: All right. Well, here's what I do know, Jeff. Ranger

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's three future Hall of Famers right there,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you knew that.

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Speaker 2: And Emily, your wife was just on jury duty, right,

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Speaker 2: him some really dumb.

432
00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:41,000
Speaker 1: Questions this state in, baseball we love looking back at

433
00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:42,880
Speaker 1: the history of the. Game what are we talking about?

434
00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:45,200
Speaker 2: That all? Right so Lou brock was. Born Lou brock

435
00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:47,800
Speaker 2: has since, passed But Lou, brock one of the Great

436
00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:50,840
Speaker 2: hall Of fame, outfielders was born on this. State in

437
00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:53,960
Speaker 2: nineteen thirty, nine he stole nine hundred and thirty eight.

438
00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:57,560
Speaker 2: Bases Ricky henderson is the only one that's ever stolen.

439
00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:00,920
Speaker 2: More and AS i told, You jeff used to slide

440
00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:05,280
Speaker 2: feet first every time because he was a big strong.

441
00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:07,760
Speaker 2: Man and he used to tell, me why WOULD i

442
00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:10,399
Speaker 2: go in head first When i'm coming in with these

443
00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:14,359
Speaker 2: big strong legs and metal? Spikes who wants to tag

444
00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:17,960
Speaker 2: somebody who's coming in that hard who's this big with

445
00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:20,720
Speaker 2: metal spikes. On he was. Great so he And ricky

446
00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:23,760
Speaker 2: became really good. Friends So ricky is on his. Way

447
00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:26,560
Speaker 2: ricky's one of my favorite players. Ever ricky is on

448
00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:29,560
Speaker 2: his way to breaking Lou brock's stolen base. Record this

449
00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:34,880
Speaker 2: is years. Ago so Lou brock writes the acceptance speech

450
00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:39,719
Speaker 2: For Ricky. Henderson they join up and write this speech

451
00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:43,080
Speaker 2: so When ricky breaks the, record he'll be able to

452
00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:46,040
Speaker 2: take out the card and read what he And lou

453
00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:49,000
Speaker 2: could so it would be so respectful and passing of the,

454
00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:53,760
Speaker 2: mantle all that. Stuff So, Ricky ricky steals third one

455
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:56,719
Speaker 2: day At oakland to pass Lou. Brock he picks up

456
00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:58,840
Speaker 2: the bass and he puts it over his, head and

457
00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:01,280
Speaker 2: he had every right to do, this and he said

458
00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:04,720
Speaker 2: Today i'm the greatest of all, time, Right and then

459
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:07,880
Speaker 2: that was, it And lou is up at the press, box, Going,

460
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:11,280
Speaker 2: ricky what about the? Speech he had it in his

461
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:15,920
Speaker 2: back pocket of his uniform and he forgot to read.

462
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:19,000
Speaker 2: It so this is why we love Lou. Brock but

463
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:21,880
Speaker 2: we love Lou brock for another. Reason you met, Him,

464
00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:24,320
Speaker 2: yeah tell me when you met, him met him at

465
00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:26,000
Speaker 2: The hall Of. FAME i want to say it was

466
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,359
Speaker 2: about two thousand and. FOUR i was probably ten or

467
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:28,960
Speaker 2: eleven years.

468
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:32,639
Speaker 1: OLD i met him at The Odi, saga which is

469
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:35,520
Speaker 1: was actually at leather stocking at the golf, course and

470
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:38,800
Speaker 1: he was there And dad introduces him to. Me and

471
00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:40,919
Speaker 1: the first thing he, says he shakes my hand with

472
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:43,720
Speaker 1: his giant, hands and he, says you've got a great.

473
00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:46,760
Speaker 1: Smile always remember to smile like that when you meet.

474
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:49,919
Speaker 2: SOMEBODY i remember him. Saying he, says nothing disarms a

475
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:53,080
Speaker 2: person more than a really good. Smile and he, says

476
00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:56,160
Speaker 2: don't ever forget you need to. Smile that's really really.

477
00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:58,760
Speaker 2: Important it's WHERE i never forgot. That and when when

478
00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,920
Speaker 2: Lou brock. Died among the many stories THAT i told about,

479
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,800
Speaker 2: HIM i told that story because anyone who's ever met

480
00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 2: Lou brock always remembers what a great man he. Was,

481
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:12,399
Speaker 2: also he played in twenty one postseason. Games he had

482
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 2: three ninety one with four homers and thirteen. RBIs JEFF

483
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:19,400
Speaker 2: i grew up watching Lou brock sixty seven sixty eight

484
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:22,720
Speaker 2: in The World. Series there weren't too many postseason players

485
00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:23,240
Speaker 2: better than.

486
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:25,719
Speaker 1: That, guy what else do we got on this, stage

487
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:26,320
Speaker 1: also on this.

488
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:28,720
Speaker 2: Date this is just amazing to me because you know

489
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:31,479
Speaker 2: how MUCH i like. Cycles even those cycles are just

490
00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:34,800
Speaker 2: a statistical, anomaly they're pretty. Cool so in the year two,

491
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:38,080
Speaker 2: Thousand Mike, lansing who had a great Nickname laser because

492
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:40,359
Speaker 2: he could run and he could hit the ball really,

493
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 2: hard he hit for the cycle in the first four

494
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:46,280
Speaker 2: innings of a. Game so single double triple homer in

495
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:48,280
Speaker 2: the first four innings of the. Game, now let's see

496
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:50,760
Speaker 2: how well you've listened to me over the last the

497
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:54,200
Speaker 2: last thirteen. Weeks give, me give me some guys who

498
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:55,960
Speaker 2: never hit for the. Cycle knew you're gonna.

499
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:59,160
Speaker 1: Ask Willie mace never hit for the. Cycle Babe ruth

500
00:25:59,240 --> 00:25:59,680
Speaker 1: never hit for the.

501
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:00,000
Speaker 2: Cycle.

502
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:04,960
Speaker 1: CORRECT i don't Think Barry bond's ever hit for the Correct, oh,

503
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:07,800
Speaker 1: Gosh Ted, Williams, No Ted williams hit for the, cycle.

504
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:08,800
Speaker 2: Right, Oh i'm missing.

505
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:11,600
Speaker 1: One hold, On i'm gonna get, it, Hey, Garon Hen

506
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:13,320
Speaker 1: garrett never hit for the, cycle, Right.

507
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:16,200
Speaker 2: Jeff i'm really proud of. You And Aaron hill hit

508
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:19,200
Speaker 2: for the cycle twice in eight. Days and those guys

509
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 2: never hit for the. Cycle And Benjie molina hit for

510
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 2: the cycle once AND i Love Benjie, molina a great,

511
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:26,199
Speaker 2: catcher one of the slowest people On. Earth, yeah and

512
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:28,880
Speaker 2: he had a homer double triple single in the same.

513
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 2: Game that was. Great it's in the cards and let's

514
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:34,680
Speaker 2: rip them and let's look through who we got, here

515
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:40,040
Speaker 2: starting off With Hunter. Renfro Hunter renfro has great power

516
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 2: with The, royals part of the reason why they've played

517
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 2: a lot better this. Year AND i love, It, jeff

518
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:49,240
Speaker 2: That Hunter renfro played for The Big train In, Bethesda.

519
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 2: Maryland i'm a Big Big Train Supporterovich. Field, yes all

520
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:58,200
Speaker 2: these guys will come through. There Walter johnson named after,

521
00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:01,040
Speaker 2: him all this. Stuff it's really cool AND i find this.

522
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:05,199
Speaker 2: Interesting he's become good friends With Hunter, renfro who's a

523
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:08,919
Speaker 2: wide receiver in THE. Nfl they don't spell their names

524
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 2: the same, way But Hunter renfro is friends With Hunter.

525
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 2: Renfro that is.

526
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:14,639
Speaker 1: Funny how ABOUT. C.

527
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 2: C sabathia Card all, Right, well we were talking earlier

528
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:21,159
Speaker 2: about who's the greatest position player of all? Time to

529
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:25,720
Speaker 2: go by his, INITIALS Cc sabbathia is the greatest player period.

530
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 2: Ever to go by his, initials and he's going to

531
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 2: be A hall Of, famer maybe even a first Ballot

532
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 2: hall Of. Famer and by the, way Aj hinch of

533
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:38,280
Speaker 2: The tigers is the only manager who's ever gone by

534
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:41,600
Speaker 2: his initials In Major league. History how weird is? That

535
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:41,919
Speaker 2: that is?

536
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 4: Weird?

537
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:43,400
Speaker 2: Oh this is a great.

538
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:45,680
Speaker 1: One he done the cover of MY mlb the Show

539
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:47,160
Speaker 1: Jazz Chisholm.

540
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:50,679
Speaker 2: Junior, Right Jazz chisholm is the number one guy on the.

541
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 2: Show right is that? It you? Know he he's like

542
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,119
Speaker 2: on the front of the video, game, Right, YEAH i

543
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 2: mean he's an infielder who's moved to the. Outfield he's incredibly.

544
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 2: Athletic BUT i loved. It a couple of years, Ago,

545
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:05,960
Speaker 2: jeff he was on the same team As Zach. Pop

546
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:11,200
Speaker 2: so we Had Jazz chisholm And Zach pop on the same,

547
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:13,440
Speaker 2: team which would mean something to me IF i knew

548
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:16,440
Speaker 2: anything about. Music BUT i know how about this?

549
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 1: Way throwing it back here with A royals. Card hal,

550
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 1: McCrae oh, boy And Larry, Gura oh?

551
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:27,359
Speaker 2: Boy all. Right So hal McCrae was a great was

552
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:30,200
Speaker 2: a really good hitter for a long. Time and, nobody

553
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 2: AND i mean nobody ran the bases harder Than hal.

554
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 2: McCray of, Course, jeff you can't knock the second basement

555
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 2: or the shortstop over. Anymore go back and watch the

556
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 2: way that he Annihilated Willie randolph in a playoff game.

557
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 2: Once it was. Unbelievable you gotta google. It as For Larry,

558
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 2: gura this is just to show you what editors can.

559
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 2: Do and we all need, editors And i've loved my

560
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 2: editors over the. Years but a friend of mine wrote

561
00:28:56,400 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 2: a story advancing The winter meetings and he, wrote this

562
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 2: is in the early, eighties that The royals might not

563
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 2: Trade Larry gora because he's a ten and five. Guy

564
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 2: that means ten years in the, league last five years

565
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 2: with the same team that gave him no trade. Rights,

566
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:22,240
Speaker 2: well the writer accidentally wrote it that he's a five

567
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 2: to ten, guy and the editor changed it to it

568
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 2: doesn't look Like larry gour is going to be traded

569
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 2: because he's five 't. Ten what is he too short

570
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 2: to get? Traded this is. Ridiculous Royce. Lewis Royce lewis

571
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 2: is back finally with The, twins and every time he,

572
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 2: plays he. Produces he just can't stay on the field

573
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 2: because he always gets. HURT i really feel sorry for.

574
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 2: Him he's had three major, injuries including one this. Year

575
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:53,959
Speaker 2: but Through sunday he had played in twelve games and

576
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 2: hit seven home. Runs And i'll never forget the first

577
00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 2: TIME i ever met Him Twins, camp years and years.

578
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 2: Ago he's like twenty years. Old he's going to be

579
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 2: the star of the team, someday comes rolling in on a.

580
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 2: Skateboard he comes into the clubhouse in the morning riding his, skateboard,

581
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 2: LIKE i don't know how anyone can do. That can

582
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 2: you ride a? Skateboard absolutely NOT i, no, NO i

583
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 2: would fall on my head at a. Minute you know, Me,

584
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 2: Jeff if you keep me on my own two, Feet

585
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 2: i've got a. Chance but ice, skating roller, skating skiing

586
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 2: of any, sort and especially, skateboarding zero chand all.

587
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 1: Right next Up Dalton. Varshow his dad Is Gary.

588
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 2: Varshow Dalton varshow plays the outfield for The Blue jays

589
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 2: and he's a really good defensive. Player so On Father's

590
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 2: day this, year hit A Grand, Slam so he's got

591
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:45,720
Speaker 2: and his, Dad gary played in The Big, league so

592
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 2: we looked it. Up On, Sunday dalton has now hit

593
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:52,240
Speaker 2: Three grand slams in his career to this, year and his, Dad,

594
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 2: gary who was one of the, funniest best GUYS i ever,

595
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 2: met never hit A Grand. Slam his son already has.

596
00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 1: Three, last but not, Least Larry. Parris ah, boy oh.

597
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 2: BOY i really hesitate to tell this, story But i'm

598
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 2: gonna tell you. Anyway Larry parish could really Hit. Jeff

599
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:09,720
Speaker 2: he was one of the strongest as far as hitting

600
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 2: the ball, hard top five That i've ever seen in my.

601
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:16,959
Speaker 2: Life that's how hard he hit. It so nineteen eighty,

602
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 2: four eighty, Three Larry parrish's wife has a baby and

603
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 2: he misses a game In minneapolis because he was home

604
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 2: because his wife had a. Baby So i'm covering the,

605
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 2: Team Texas rangers for The Dallas Morning news And larry's

606
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 2: not at the. Game SO i say To Doug, rader

607
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 2: the mischievous manager of The, rangers Where's. Lp why didn't he?

608
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 2: Here and he, Goes, oh his wife had a, baby

609
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 2: so that's why he missed the. Game SO i need

610
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 2: details from My ranger, notes Like Larry, parish didn't you

611
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 2: know it wasn't here last? Night his wife? HAD i, said,

612
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 2: so what's the baby's? Name he Goes. Buford SO i, Said,

613
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 2: Youford Larry parish will be an. Acknowledge he calls himself

614
00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 2: this redneck From. Florida BUT i, said he did not

615
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 2: name his Son. Buford And Doug RADER i push him

616
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 2: three times on, this and he, SAYS i swear To

617
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 2: god he named his Son. Buford so of COURSE i

618
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 2: put it in the paper the next day That Larry

619
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 2: parrish missed the game because his wife had a baby

620
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 2: boy and his name Is. Buford so the next day

621
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 2: he gets to The metrodome or on the, road he

622
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 2: comes up to, me walks right up to, me and

623
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 2: he's got a kind of a forlorn look on his,

624
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 2: face and he, Goes, tim boys name Ain't. Buford so he,

625
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 2: said his name Is. Joshua AND i go To Doug

626
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 2: rader AND i, said how could you do that to?

627
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 2: Me you did that on. Purpose you ambushed. Me he

628
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 2: made me look, terrible and he, GOES i didn't think

629
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 2: you believe. ME i, said you swore on your grandmother's

630
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 2: grave that his name Was. Buford so the kicker of

631
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 2: the whole thing is that When Joshua parrish got in

632
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 2: trouble like as a you, know a five year, old

633
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 2: six year. Old whenever he got in, trouble they would

634
00:32:56,960 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 2: look at him and, Go. Buford you, know you're not

635
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 2: supposed to do. That so that was my only way

636
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:03,959
Speaker 2: out of.

637
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 1: That have to Call Buford parish at some point get

638
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 1: him on the.

639
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 2: Shelf, yeah, yeah oh that was. Great all.

640
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 1: Right so let's go to league in. Lids we've put

641
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 1: Every Major League baseball team in. Here each week we

642
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 1: take a different one out and you've got The Boston

643
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 1: Red sox this week to choose.

644
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 2: From well that's your, Grandfather pop's favorite team growing, up

645
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 2: AND i JUST i love this jet.

646
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 1: Town massachusetts represents.

647
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 2: Absolutely a Big armenian, outpost of. Course so, right, Yes

648
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 2: So Stephen kirchen is our, cousin my, cousin your. Uncle

649
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 2: Stephen kirchen is a two Time Pulitzer prize winner on

650
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 2: The spotlight team at The Boston. Globe he is the

651
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 2: greatest investigative reporter at The Boston. Globe the Movie, spotlight

652
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 2: which won An Academy, award was the team that he put.

653
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 2: Together and even though they basically left him out of

654
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 2: a mo out of the, movie it was a. Movie

655
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 2: and they used to say because he exposed criminals all Over.

656
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 2: Boston they used to say the six worst words in

657
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:11,799
Speaker 2: The english language for anyone corrupt Was stephen Kirkchen is

658
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 2: on the. PHONE i, mean that's how good he knew he.

659
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:15,840
Speaker 1: Was they knew he was on the.

660
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 2: Hony so he texted me the other day to, say

661
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 2: because it was first game of The Yankees Red sox season,

662
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 2: series this was Last friday night At, Fenway and he

663
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 2: just texted me to, say just want to let you

664
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:31,799
Speaker 2: Know i'm going to the game tonight At. Fenway and he,

665
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 2: said the first GAME i ever saw The yankees and

666
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 2: The Red sox play was in nineteen forty, eight because

667
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 2: my aunt took me and she, said you need to

668
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 2: See Ted williams And Joe DiMaggio on the field at

669
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 2: the same. Time And, jeff this is why baseball is so.

670
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 2: Wonderful this is WHY i love it so. Much this

671
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 2: is why we do this. Show is that my, cousin

672
00:34:56,360 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 2: who's this decorated reporter writer in the history Of, boston

673
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 2: he can't wait to go to A Red Sox yankee

674
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 2: game in his seventies because it meant something to him

675
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,919
Speaker 2: because in nineteen forty, eight his aunt took him there

676
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,799
Speaker 2: to make sure he understood what he was. Watching and

677
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:16,479
Speaker 2: this many years, later he still loves it and still.

678
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 2: Understands and two years ago he took his Grandson teddy

679
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 2: to The Little League World series In williamsport and they

680
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 2: stayed for the entire time and watched every. Game to,

681
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 2: me that's what baseball is all. About father, son father

682
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:35,320
Speaker 2: daughter and in this case grandfather grandson went to The

683
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 2: Little League World.

684
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:39,400
Speaker 1: Series love it Our kirchen quandary. Today it's where we

685
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 1: go back and forth because this is What dad AND i,

686
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:44,400
Speaker 1: do and the women in our lives hate. It so

687
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 1: we thought we'd bring it to the podcast so we

688
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 1: don't do it in front of them any. Longer THE

689
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 1: Us open just wrapped up On Father's day this past.

690
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 2: Right and it was In, Pinehurst. Jeff, so usually the

691
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:58,280
Speaker 2: toughest course that anyone plays all year is THE Us open.

692
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 2: Course it's like seventy. FIVE i have one hundred. Yards

693
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 2: the rouff is. Unbelieve it's usually In. Baltistrawl i'm no golf,

694
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 2: expert So pinehurst was really. HARD i don't think it's

695
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:11,360
Speaker 2: the HARDEST Us open. Venue but this is my hypothetical,

696
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 2: question And i've never been more confident about anything in

697
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:17,360
Speaker 2: my life THAN i am about. This all, right follow me,

698
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:22,239
Speaker 2: now eighteen Handicap, okay who's playing on his, little you,

699
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 2: know municipal course fifty eight hundred yards from the. White,

700
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 2: Now i'm not trying to belittle. Anyone and he's shying

701
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 2: to break. Ninety he's trying to break nine, nineties, Right

702
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:34,400
Speaker 2: but he's also raking three foot. Putts that's a. Gimme

703
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 2: he's fixing the ball in the fairway and in the.

704
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 2: Rough he's not even playing by the rules because he

705
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:43,320
Speaker 2: doesn't even know the, rules because the rules are golf

706
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 2: are so. Precise so here's the. Question if we take

707
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 2: that eighteen handicap and we drop him into a, threesome

708
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:56,319
Speaker 2: we'll call it on the final day of THE Us.

709
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:59,840
Speaker 2: Open THE Us open that is sometimes won with a plus.

710
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 2: One we're not minus twenty five winning a tournament plus.

711
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 2: One what does that guy? Shoot if these are the,

712
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:12,359
Speaker 2: rules he has to finish every, hole he has to

713
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 2: play by every rule of, golf and he is paired

714
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 2: With Tiger woods And Phil. Nicholson so he doesn't play

715
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 2: The kirkston rules of no more than a Triple, No,

716
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 2: no there's no capping with a. Triple there are no.

717
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 2: Gimmes you play the rules of the. Game So i've

718
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:33,840
Speaker 2: asked this question to a lot of, people and you know,

719
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 2: what the first thing most people say, is he would

720
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 2: shoot one hundred and twenty. Five really one hundred and twenty.

721
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 2: Five he's gonna shoot ninety breaking all the rules on

722
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 2: a fifty eight hundred yard.

723
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:46,879
Speaker 1: Seary he's breaking all the rules on the easy, course

724
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 1: which means he's probably hitting closer to like one. Hundred

725
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 1: So i'm Just i'm.

726
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:55,840
Speaker 2: Arguing so he's giving himself ten, strokes so he's really

727
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 2: not an eighteen. HANDICAP i get what you're. Saying but

728
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 2: he thinks he. Is that he's going to shoot it

729
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 2: twenty five on a hole because he's gonna go in

730
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 2: the water and he's gonna get.

731
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:05,759
Speaker 1: Lost he's never played in front of. Fans that's gonna

732
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 1: create a whole the.

733
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:08,839
Speaker 2: Death playing in front of. Tigers he's not even gonna

734
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 2: be able to take it. Back SHOT's two oh. Five all, Right,

735
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 2: well that's so interesting you say That JOE i started

736
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 2: out at one hundred and. EIGHTY i, said if he

737
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:21,400
Speaker 2: thinks he's a nineties, player you have to double his

738
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 2: score he's gonna. Make he's going to score one hundred and.

739
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:28,399
Speaker 2: Eighty he's going to average a ten every. Hole that's

740
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:30,720
Speaker 2: what he's going to. Average because if he makes a twenty,

741
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 2: five which he might because he can't hit it over that,

742
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:35,240
Speaker 2: water or he can't get it out of the, trap

743
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 2: or he can't get it out of the, rough and

744
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 2: he's never putted agreen quite like, THAT i think he's

745
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:43,719
Speaker 2: shooting one. Eighty SO i asked this question to my dear,

746
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:46,880
Speaker 2: friend the late Great Ed, farmer Former Major league, pitcher

747
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 2: who was also a scratch golfer in his. Day SO

748
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:53,799
Speaker 2: i laid out the exact same scenario THAT i did to,

749
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:56,359
Speaker 2: you AND i swear To, God, JEFF i wasn't more

750
00:38:56,400 --> 00:39:00,400
Speaker 2: than fifteen seconds into the expe day you should have

751
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:02,279
Speaker 2: what this. Entailed and he looked at me and he,

752
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 2: said two, Hundred, yeah two. HUNDRED i honestly believe an

753
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:11,319
Speaker 2: eighteen handicap who's raking three footers and isn't playing by

754
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:13,799
Speaker 2: the rules and is playing With tiger And phil is

755
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 2: going to shoot two hundred on the final day of the, mass.

756
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 1: Averaging twelve a hole is two.

757
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:21,799
Speaker 2: Sixteen and when you think about it as shooting two,

758
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:23,719
Speaker 2: sixteen you're, like that's way too. High but when you

759
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 2: think about averaging a, twelve that's not out of the, question,

760
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 2: because as we, said what if there's a green he

761
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 2: can't reach on a par?

762
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 1: Three, well here he's in the. Water he's seven.

763
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 2: Times i've asked eighteen handicaps this. Question they, said, WELL

764
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:40,319
Speaker 2: i would just hit three seven irons into a par.

765
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:42,840
Speaker 2: Four oh? Really and you think you're going to stand

766
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 2: on the tee and groove one hundred and fifty yard

767
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 2: seven iron and do it three times in a row

768
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 2: under this kind of pressure.

769
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:51,799
Speaker 1: And thinking that one hundred and fifty yards is even

770
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 1: going to get you to a safe landing?

771
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:57,440
Speaker 2: Zone, right not happening two. Hundred i'm with, you what

772
00:39:57,480 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 2: do you? Think what's?

773
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 1: Score this is Our kirchen? Quandary what score would an

774
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 1: eighteen handicap score at THE Us open with all of the. Pressure,

775
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 1: now our guest today Is Doug. Glanville oddly, enough he

776
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 1: came up and it's in the cards last, week and

777
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 1: now we got him on this week to talk about

778
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:15,440
Speaker 1: The rickwood game that's. Happening Major League baseball has it

779
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 1: on This, thursday which will be what the Twentieth june twentieth,

780
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:19,759
Speaker 1: Right and.

781
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 2: Again, jeff part of the reason they're doing The rickwood

782
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:25,399
Speaker 2: game is just how old the ballpark. Is but all

783
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 2: the great, players as we'll talk To, doug who came

784
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 2: out of that. AREA i, Mean Willie mays is From

785
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:35,919
Speaker 2: alabama and he's the greatest Player i've ever, seen and

786
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 2: to me my list After Babe, ruth he's the greatest

787
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 2: player of all. Time so the thing About Willy, mays

788
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 2: And i've written so many words about, him is one

789
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:45,479
Speaker 2: of the great thrills of my life to write about

790
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:48,720
Speaker 2: him on his ninetieth birthday was how big and strong

791
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:51,440
Speaker 2: his hands. Are you know how FASCINATED i, Am jeff

792
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 2: by size guy's. Hands i've never shook a man's hands

793
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:58,799
Speaker 2: that were stronger Than Willie. Mays's in my life Is

794
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 2: pete rose. Said Pete rosewoods told, me you, Know, willy

795
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 2: he's no bigger than. Me and he hit six hundred

796
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 2: and sixty homers AND i hit one hundred and sixty.

797
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,720
Speaker 2: Homers Because Willie mays was that strong And Dwayne kuiper

798
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 2: former major league player who's got gigantic. Hands he grew

799
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:16,720
Speaker 2: up on a. Farm he was a weak man, overall

800
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:18,760
Speaker 2: he told. Me but he, SAID i got really strong.

801
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 2: Hands he, says my dad always told me you have

802
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 2: to win a handshake when you shake somebody's, hand and

803
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 2: he said With, willie you. Couldn't that's how strong his hands.

804
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:31,440
Speaker 2: Were and then who's From?

805
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 1: Mobile, WELL i, MEAN i Think Hank.

806
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:36,880
Speaker 2: Aarrett Hank aaron is From. Mobile So Hank aaron is

807
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 2: one of the five greatest players of all. Time AND

808
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 2: i told. You we had him on the air for

809
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:45,279
Speaker 2: a game for four innings several years, ago highlight of

810
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:48,400
Speaker 2: my entire. Career and during that, time he told me

811
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:50,840
Speaker 2: SOMETHING i had never heard before that he was a

812
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:54,400
Speaker 2: switch hitter until he started to play pro. Ball he

813
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:57,320
Speaker 2: was a switch. Hitter and he also used to hit cross.

814
00:41:57,400 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 2: Handed we knew. That think about, That. Jeff instead of

815
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:02,799
Speaker 2: right hand on top of the, left he did it

816
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:05,359
Speaker 2: the other way, around and they had to switch him

817
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 2: out of. That SO i said To, hank where did

818
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:13,319
Speaker 2: those really strong hands and, Wrists historically strong hands and

819
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:15,880
Speaker 2: wrists come. From and he, goes, well my dad was a.

820
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 2: Boxer he had really strong, hands and he, said and

821
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 2: he also used to deliver, giant giant bricks of ice

822
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 2: to people's houses, way and the only way to carry

823
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:30,800
Speaker 2: it was using those, tongues giant tongs and he would

824
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:32,840
Speaker 2: hold them to each. Side and he, said AND i

825
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 2: used to deliver ice with my, dad AND i had

826
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 2: to learn how to hold those giant bricks of ice

827
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 2: out with only these. Tongues he. Said that's where my

828
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 2: strong hands and wrists come. From So Ozzie, smith of,

829
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:50,799
Speaker 2: course was born In. Mobile Ozzie, smith to, me is

830
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 2: the greatest shortstop defensively of all. Time i'm not even

831
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:56,399
Speaker 2: sure there's a close. Seconds he the greatest number one

832
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 2: of all. Time he is the greatest number one of all.

833
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 2: Time From ozzy To. Oral set you up. Right, arguably

834
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 2: shortstops the most important defensive. POSITION i think you can

835
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:09,320
Speaker 2: make a cage That Ozzie smith is the greatest defensive

836
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:12,760
Speaker 2: player of all time at any. Position and That's Willie

837
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 2: mays in center, Field Johnny bench behind the, plate and

838
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 2: a bunch of. Others And i've told you this, Before,

839
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 2: jeff but one of the great thrills of everyone's, lifetime

840
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 2: especially those people In Saint, louis was when opening Day

841
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 2: Ozzie smith would run out to the field on opening

842
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:31,800
Speaker 2: day and do a backflip and land right a short.

843
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 2: STOP i, mean it gives me chills thinking about it

844
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:36,920
Speaker 2: to this. DAY i, Said, ozzie how could you do?

845
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 2: That he, goes. WOW i was a gymnast WHEN i grew.

846
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 2: Up so when you watched him hit the ground and

847
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:45,400
Speaker 2: bounce up real quickly and make a, throw it's because

848
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:48,399
Speaker 2: he's used to bouncing up and down on a matt

849
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 2: because he was a gymnast as a. Kid all. Right

850
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:53,720
Speaker 2: so there's so many players From, alabama AND i Love Billy,

851
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:57,759
Speaker 2: williams sweet swing And Billy Leo, williams and he And

852
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 2: Hank aaron were really good. Friends Billy williams was one

853
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 2: of the great gap hitters in The major leagues, cubs

854
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 2: especially sixties and. Seventies SO i always love this, though

855
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 2: That hank And Billy williams were really close. Friends And

856
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 2: Hank aaron married a woman who had been married once,

857
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:18,760
Speaker 2: before so she used her first husband's, name And Hank

858
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:22,799
Speaker 2: aaron married a woman Named Billy, williams WHICH i JUST

859
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 2: i just, thought that's just. Priceless one of the Greatest

860
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 2: hall Of fame, Players Billy williams And Hank aaron's Dear

861
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:34,400
Speaker 2: Fred Hank aaron married a woman Named Billy. Williams that's, crazy,

862
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:36,799
Speaker 2: Right so that's what we're looking, for and that's What

863
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:39,880
Speaker 2: Doug glanville is going to explain to us here in

864
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 2: just a couple of, minutes is the importance and the

865
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 2: significance of this game In.

866
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 1: Rickwood we have a very special guest with, us a

867
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:55,440
Speaker 1: teammate of my.

868
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:55,880
Speaker 2: Dad.

869
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:56,839
Speaker 1: Dad who do we have with?

870
00:44:56,920 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 2: Us we have my great Friend Doug. Lanville just spent

871
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:02,360
Speaker 2: like a week together In.

872
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 4: England it was.

873
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:06,760
Speaker 2: Tremendous but Today doug is going to talk to us

874
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 2: About Major League baseball playing a regular season Game Rickwood

875
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 2: field In, Birmingham alabama On, Thursday june the. Twenties So,

876
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 2: doug just tell us what is the significance of baseball

877
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:22,880
Speaker 2: coming To Rickwood.

878
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 3: Field, Well, tim it's a huge, acknowledgment and in some,

879
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 3: ways when you fuse your history, together which was Always american,

880
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 3: history it's an important step because those leagues for the

881
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:42,880
Speaker 3: many years obviously produced incredible baseball players that became hugely

882
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:45,839
Speaker 3: part of the fabric Of Major League, baseball but as

883
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 3: important was their contributions off the, field the social change

884
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 3: that flowed through them in Challenging america kind of live

885
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 3: up to its greatest, tenants this great experiment of making

886
00:45:57,239 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 3: it a more perfect union and, RECOGNIZE i think that

887
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 3: These negro leagues and the players around, them this was.

888
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 3: Business this is, Entrepreneurship this was, Survival this was a

889
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:14,359
Speaker 3: way to navigate segregation and disparate. Treatment and through, that

890
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 3: through that garden became this incredible connection to baseball game

891
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:21,319
Speaker 3: that you, know we all love here and you, know

892
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:24,400
Speaker 3: just to be able to take that moment and go

893
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:27,440
Speaker 3: to the site of where many of these great players flowed,

894
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 3: through and not just the names we, know but the

895
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 3: anonymous players that still were important to moving our society.

896
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:36,799
Speaker 3: Forward what it meant to those communities of, color those black.

897
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:41,839
Speaker 3: Players this environment In birmingham and beyond it had such

898
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:46,279
Speaker 3: a ripe experience that tied things, together the, entrepreneurship the

899
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 3: businesses that supported, it and the sort of self. Actualization

900
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 3: so when you bring those stories together into one baseball

901
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:57,359
Speaker 3: that's great for, everybody, right because we're bringing the stories

902
00:46:57,440 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 3: that are so important to us about what we love

903
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 3: about the, game, Right the perseverance and the overcoming and

904
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:06,279
Speaker 3: the patience it takes to excel at this game and

905
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:07,360
Speaker 3: why we love it so.

906
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:10,759
Speaker 4: Much so baseball taking that step is, huge, Right.

907
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 2: Doug are you amazed LIKE i am at the number

908
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:16,840
Speaker 2: of great players that came out of that region In.

909
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:20,880
Speaker 2: ALABAMA i, mean Make, Aaron Willie, Mays Billy, Williams Oza,

910
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 2: smith just to name a. Few how do you explain?

911
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:25,799
Speaker 4: That, YEAH i mean it's hard to.

912
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 3: Explain AND i just think of my grandfather who was

913
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:31,840
Speaker 3: From Rocky mount and my mom grew up in that,

914
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:33,280
Speaker 3: area and he'd.

915
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:34,400
Speaker 4: Always asked, me you're still hitting that.

916
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 3: Ball you'd always want to know about, baseball, Right and

917
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:39,759
Speaker 3: every day he just, like you still hitting that.

918
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:41,799
Speaker 4: Ball so he did love.

919
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:46,440
Speaker 3: Baseball AND i Think Jackie robinson was such a moment

920
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:50,239
Speaker 3: because of obviously a color, line but also you, know

921
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 3: the international community was watching right Whether, panama just to

922
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:57,279
Speaker 3: see How america was going to handle color and Was

923
00:47:57,360 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 3: america going to say what we put in that constitution

924
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:01,920
Speaker 3: and we were going to live by by all people,

925
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 3: right created. Equal and SO i think the fact that

926
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:08,800
Speaker 3: you have this concentration of incredible talent in The, south

927
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 3: maybe the weather certainly you, know can help play in year.

928
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 3: Round although one hundred and ten degrees with mosquitoes may

929
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:18,359
Speaker 3: not be that, great BUT i think the opportunity to

930
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 3: flourish with this great, talent which is Why rickwood is so,

931
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:24,160
Speaker 3: important because there is something about that center of gravity

932
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:27,040
Speaker 3: that matters to baseball and some of the greatness that

933
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:30,400
Speaker 3: came through the. Game and why not kind of go

934
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:33,880
Speaker 3: to that sort of eco, center, right it's A equi,

935
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 3: center so to, speak to where we know that baseball.

936
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 1: Thrived, Now, doug you have been a part of The

937
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 1: East West game In, cooperstown and obviously this is a

938
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 1: huge example of putting The negro leagues on the front

939
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:52,399
Speaker 1: lines right of everybody's attention and. Mind and this Year

940
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:55,279
Speaker 1: Ken Griffy junior a bit of like the, ringleader you,

941
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:57,359
Speaker 1: know so many people were so excited to see him

942
00:48:57,400 --> 00:48:59,360
Speaker 1: a part of. That it was so cool to see

943
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:01,880
Speaker 1: what was happening on and off the field at The

944
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:03,719
Speaker 1: East West. Game can you tell us a little bit

945
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:05,680
Speaker 1: about the importance of that and being a part of it.

946
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 4: Yourself, well that was incredible and it really truly.

947
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:11,400
Speaker 3: WAS i, MEAN i was part of this project way in,

948
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:14,759
Speaker 3: advance almost two years, ago BECAUSE i was helping kind

949
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 3: of put together the, exhibit and we were just discussing

950
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:19,880
Speaker 3: what should go into, it because remember with The East West,

951
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:23,560
Speaker 3: classic the game itself was also a launching of a

952
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:26,279
Speaker 3: new exhibit called The souls of The, game and it's

953
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:29,400
Speaker 3: just talking About black baseball and not only just on the,

954
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:31,280
Speaker 3: field as you, mentioned but like on the societal.

955
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 4: Level and so.

956
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 3: Getting to be part of that was always exciting to figure,

957
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 3: out like what history do you include and what do

958
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:40,400
Speaker 3: we talk? About how do we frame this, story but

959
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 3: also the opportunity to, say, well The hall Of fame said,

960
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 3: well let's turn this into something, bigger because now we

961
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:49,600
Speaker 3: can bring the exhibition that was always The All, stars

962
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:51,759
Speaker 3: The Negro League All star so to, speak in This

963
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:54,600
Speaker 3: East West classic that took place In Major League baseball.

964
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 3: Stadiums by the way they sold out it was it

965
00:49:57,000 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 3: was sort of an indicator of the business possibility that

966
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:03,760
Speaker 3: Branch ricky and others could, see, like wait a, minute

967
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 3: now there's a lot of fans. Here we could make

968
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:08,439
Speaker 3: some money on this. Too SO i think The East

969
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:10,719
Speaker 3: West classic brought. That you, know people came far and

970
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:13,799
Speaker 3: wide to watch this incredible, talent and so we recreated

971
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:16,839
Speaker 3: that at The hall Of fame WITH Cc sabathi on one,

972
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 3: Side Chris young recruiting players to come, together AND i

973
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:22,640
Speaker 3: was just part of the, mix and it was to

974
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:27,160
Speaker 3: me it was a gigantic family, reunion just the generations coming.

975
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:29,160
Speaker 3: TOGETHER i thought about my granddad and WHEN i saw

976
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 3: Like Sam allen Or Pedro, sierra BUT i thought about

977
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:34,399
Speaker 3: all the PLAYERS i loved as a kid growing, up

978
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:37,280
Speaker 3: watching and then ultimately playing against like An Ozzie. Smith

979
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 3: and THEN i thought later THAT i was kind of

980
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 3: an older guy on the. Team and then whether it

981
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 3: Was Monette davis Or Adam jones or guys who came

982
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 3: later that they actually knew me as a player and

983
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:50,239
Speaker 3: were compared to me as as an. Athlete and so

984
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:52,799
Speaker 3: to bring it in one, fabric, right to weave that

985
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:55,879
Speaker 3: together and do it around the joy of, baseball Because

986
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:57,319
Speaker 3: i'll tell you, what we had a lot of.

987
00:50:57,320 --> 00:50:57,800
Speaker 4: Fun it.

988
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:00,800
Speaker 3: Was we had home, runs we had all kinds of,

989
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 3: so we had pulled, Hamstrings we had it, all AND

990
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 3: i think it all came, together you, know around the

991
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 3: THINGS i think of a family unit and. Food we

992
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:14,880
Speaker 3: all kind of ate, together we, celebrated we kind of partied.

993
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 3: Together we had family. Around my, kids my wife came

994
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 3: and to introduce them to people that were significant in

995
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:24,920
Speaker 3: my life in one. ROOM i, mean it was like a, wedding,

996
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:28,719
Speaker 3: right AND i think within that we just found so much.

997
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 3: Joy so when we did the autograph session after the

998
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:33,759
Speaker 3: game with The hall Of, FAME i remember a fan

999
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 3: coming over to me and just, saying you guys played

1000
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:39,480
Speaker 3: with so much. JOY i think that was important to

1001
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:42,839
Speaker 3: see because despite the weight of, history, right you're talking

1002
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 3: about integration and some of the challenges and some painful

1003
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:49,360
Speaker 3: episodes that the exhibit, displays whether it's to fight for

1004
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:52,280
Speaker 3: equality or you know what happened was to THE neba

1005
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:55,040
Speaker 3: leagues eventually in the sixties when it kind of. Evaporated

1006
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:58,480
Speaker 3: but there was also an important part to circle that

1007
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:01,399
Speaker 3: we were. Joyous we were there, together happy to play

1008
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:04,239
Speaker 3: baseball and express it, openly and we did it with

1009
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:06,480
Speaker 3: all these people that cared about the game and our own,

1010
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:10,319
Speaker 3: families and so to have that experience was just. TRANSCENDENT i,

1011
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:12,960
Speaker 3: mean you, know the ribbon cutting to the exhibit and walking,

1012
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:15,279
Speaker 3: that you, know just seeing who was on that, STAGE i,

1013
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:17,520
Speaker 3: mean the winds. Above replacement on that stage was just

1014
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:20,160
Speaker 3: like you don't have you have to go way past

1015
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 3: the decimal, point you, KNOW i mean this was this

1016
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:25,279
Speaker 3: was ludicrous to see who was on that stage and

1017
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:28,279
Speaker 3: the poetry of the. Moment so it was a great

1018
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:30,080
Speaker 3: honor to being. In AND i didn't blow. OUT i

1019
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 3: wasn't the hamstring. GUY i Was Jolley Harriston. Jr SO

1020
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:35,360
Speaker 3: i made it. Through that was a victory in and of.

1021
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:36,400
Speaker 3: Itself Jeff.

1022
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:40,720
Speaker 2: Doug Jeff doug TOOK bp In england In london and

1023
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:44,160
Speaker 2: every time he swung the, bat he hit it on the,

1024
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 2: barrel like at one hundred miles eggs of. Velocity how

1025
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:51,680
Speaker 2: did you do in The East west? Game did you swing? It?

1026
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:55,360
Speaker 3: Well, yeah well here's the, thing LIKE i probably should

1027
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:58,040
Speaker 3: send you a recording BECAUSE i never PUT i never posted.

1028
00:52:58,080 --> 00:53:01,080
Speaker 3: It but the first time about you, know four or

1029
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:03,440
Speaker 3: five days before The East West, CLASSIC i decided THAT

1030
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:05,440
Speaker 3: i need to work out a little, bit, Right SO

1031
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:07,080
Speaker 3: i go to the batting cage and BEFORE i go

1032
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:08,920
Speaker 3: AND i record myself for like two and a half

1033
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:12,000
Speaker 3: minutes about the disaster that it is BECAUSE i you,

1034
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:14,400
Speaker 3: KNOW i passed on the way, ironically on the way

1035
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:16,360
Speaker 3: to the batting, CAGE i passed a bunch of pickleball,

1036
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:18,880
Speaker 3: courts AND i was, like maybe that's WHAT i should be.

1037
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:20,279
Speaker 3: DOING i don't know IF i should be doing this,

1038
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:23,960
Speaker 3: Right so it was like it was an omen. Right

1039
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:25,680
Speaker 3: SO i go in AND i kind of talk about

1040
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 3: it and THEN i hit AND i was, like, okay

1041
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:29,960
Speaker 3: it's not. Bad i've hit off the tee AND i

1042
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:32,440
Speaker 3: had to order some baths From Louisville slugger and that

1043
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 3: was like a little bit of slap in the, face,

1044
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 3: right BECAUSE i was A Louisville slugger athlete all my whole.

1045
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:40,880
Speaker 3: CAREER r two nineteen, tapered you, Know walker, finished you,

1046
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:42,799
Speaker 3: KNOW i had all this stuff, Right and THEN i

1047
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:45,879
Speaker 3: Call Louisville slugger And i'm just like the guy off

1048
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:47,799
Speaker 3: the street And i'm LIKE i was LIKE i was

1049
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:51,200
Speaker 3: a PLAYER i. Had they're just like like please, hold

1050
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 3: please hold on the, line. Sir i'm, like, okay you,

1051
00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:56,799
Speaker 3: Know i'm waiting for a bad, order and like they're

1052
00:53:56,800 --> 00:53:59,520
Speaker 3: like transferring me and like give me the run, Around like.

1053
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:00,799
Speaker 4: Come, on, MAN i can't get.

1054
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:02,360
Speaker 3: It i'm, Like i'm trying to Explain i'm playing in

1055
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:04,440
Speaker 3: The East West classic AND i need my bat And

1056
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:08,440
Speaker 3: i'm like here's the. Music the music going. On so

1057
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:10,799
Speaker 3: FINALLY i get you, know SO i got. Desperate. MAN

1058
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:14,120
Speaker 3: i called The phillies AND i, said, look, Man i'm,

1059
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:17,520
Speaker 3: like no longer have any clout With louisville, Slugger so

1060
00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:19,480
Speaker 3: do you have a contact? Number so they gave me

1061
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:21,120
Speaker 3: the number and he's, like why didn't you call me

1062
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:23,160
Speaker 3: in the? Beginning SO i tried to like do. It

1063
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:25,000
Speaker 3: so they they were able to get me a bat

1064
00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:27,520
Speaker 3: or it was like A ronald mccunya, model a little

1065
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:29,880
Speaker 3: skinny for my. Taste BUT i got the, bat and

1066
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:32,680
Speaker 3: THEN i ended up finding in storage SOME r two

1067
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:36,080
Speaker 3: nineteen and SO i ended up bringing all these. Bats

1068
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:38,360
Speaker 3: and WHEN i saw ce seats Of bathley pulling up

1069
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:40,400
Speaker 3: to the, hotel he was, like that's a lot of.

1070
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:42,480
Speaker 3: BATS i was, like, Well i'm trying, to you, know

1071
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:44,759
Speaker 3: share the wealth. Here So Adam jones won the home

1072
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:46,960
Speaker 3: Run derby and he won it with my. Bat SO

1073
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:50,279
Speaker 3: i felt felt LIKE i won the derby coaching him through.

1074
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:53,560
Speaker 3: It so but you, KNOW i hit and in the,

1075
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:59,040
Speaker 3: GAME i Faced Jose contreras And Tyson ross and we're always,

1076
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:01,440
Speaker 3: like right before the, game we were a little nervous

1077
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:03,920
Speaker 3: because you, KNOW i was talking To Tony Wynn, junior

1078
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:05,479
Speaker 3: and we were, like how hard are you gonna?

1079
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:06,520
Speaker 4: Go how hard are you gonna?

1080
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:08,600
Speaker 3: Go we were trying to, gauge like how much we

1081
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:11,520
Speaker 3: put on the, accelerator knowing that at one hundred we're

1082
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:15,480
Speaker 3: gonna blow. Out So tony AND i are talking and you,

1083
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:17,680
Speaker 3: know so at some, point you, know we try to

1084
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:19,360
Speaker 3: figure out it like a little bit of a, strategy

1085
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:23,200
Speaker 3: like all, right we're gonna go. Hard So Jose contreras is,

1086
00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:25,840
Speaker 3: pitching AND i got on one. OCCOUNT i hit a,

1087
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:28,000
Speaker 3: good you, know nice, line drive a little air under,

1088
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:30,560
Speaker 3: it and right. Center, now of course the guy who

1089
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 3: retired like last year is playing, center so that's not really.

1090
00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:36,359
Speaker 3: FAIR i, needed LIKE i Needed Jim rice out. There all,

1091
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:38,640
Speaker 3: Right Jim rice out. There that's a. Triple but, no

1092
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 3: we Have Dexter fowler out, there of course running it

1093
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:43,000
Speaker 3: down like you. KNOW i was, like, dude like you

1094
00:55:43,040 --> 00:55:45,520
Speaker 3: played last, WEEK i, mean come, on you gotta let that.

1095
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:48,080
Speaker 3: Drop so he doesn't let it. DROP i, get you,

1096
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:50,520
Speaker 3: know So i'm. Out BUT i did you know my walk,

1097
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:53,480
Speaker 3: rate which was like negative point five WHEN i, PLAYED

1098
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:56,320
Speaker 3: i actually walked in this game and. Scored SO i

1099
00:55:56,400 --> 00:55:58,640
Speaker 3: end up scoring the second, run and Then Ryan howard

1100
00:55:58,680 --> 00:56:00,480
Speaker 3: here the three run, Homers SO i FELT i did.

1101
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 4: Something but it was.

1102
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:03,879
Speaker 3: Great that my kids and my wife got to see

1103
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:06,600
Speaker 3: me one last, time and my kids finally old enough

1104
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:10,400
Speaker 3: to appreciate. It so it was really incredible and we

1105
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:11,799
Speaker 3: had most importantly a lot of.

1106
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:15,040
Speaker 1: Fun, Yeah, doug that that sounds like a great. Time

1107
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:17,160
Speaker 1: and just hearing it in your, VOICE i was going

1108
00:56:17,239 --> 00:56:20,720
Speaker 1: to ask how important this is compared to your playing

1109
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:23,920
Speaker 1: days and now you're broadcasting, Days but it sounds like

1110
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:26,040
Speaker 1: for you being a part of this, exhibit being a

1111
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:28,360
Speaker 1: part of this, game and being a part Of cooper's

1112
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:32,400
Speaker 1: sound to help elevate all of this. Information just to

1113
00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:36,400
Speaker 1: me from your, voice it sounds like this is maybe

1114
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:38,120
Speaker 1: one of the greatest honors to be a part of.

1115
00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:38,600
Speaker 2: This is that?

1116
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:39,120
Speaker 4: True?

1117
00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:44,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, Absolutely and you, know fundamentally it's about belonging, Right

1118
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:47,080
Speaker 3: AND i think we all look for very similar things

1119
00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:50,080
Speaker 3: no matter what we how we identify where we come,

1120
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:52,879
Speaker 3: from and we want, respect we want, opportunity we want,

1121
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:56,480
Speaker 3: fairness we want you, know to be acknowledged your. Contributions

1122
00:56:56,480 --> 00:56:59,239
Speaker 3: and you, know now we're in a very trying era

1123
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:04,160
Speaker 3: right of like information misdirection and sometimes just running the clock,

1124
00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:07,200
Speaker 3: out like hoping that people just. Forget AND i think

1125
00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:10,359
Speaker 3: when you come together around this like truth telling, right

1126
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:14,000
Speaker 3: the unfiltered sense of the contribution to these great players

1127
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:17,680
Speaker 3: who were black and just were not given many, opportunities

1128
00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:20,320
Speaker 3: and you think about what. Happened you, know there was

1129
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:24,640
Speaker 3: a moment In american history where, okay, emancipation slavery is,

1130
00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:27,000
Speaker 3: over and we had a chance to kind of, say

1131
00:57:27,080 --> 00:57:31,480
Speaker 3: let's coalesce now about amongst, equals and unfortunately we kind

1132
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:33,760
Speaker 3: of chose as a Country Jim. Crow we Chose Jim,

1133
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:37,200
Speaker 3: crow and that's what separated us and created all, this you,

1134
00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:41,440
Speaker 3: know nightmare stories about the failure to get to equality

1135
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:44,800
Speaker 3: on so many. Levels but in that sort of dust

1136
00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:47,800
Speaker 3: became this will to, Say, okay, well if this is our,

1137
00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:51,520
Speaker 3: circumstance let's create. Something let's build something. Great and it's

1138
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:53,920
Speaker 3: so cool to be associated with that because one of

1139
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:57,840
Speaker 3: the great institutions was baseball in the black. Community AND

1140
00:57:57,880 --> 00:58:01,200
Speaker 3: i went to a forum last night AND i learned

1141
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:02,880
Speaker 3: that there was AND i want to get this, right

1142
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:07,040
Speaker 3: but the top three black institutions In, america baseball was,

1143
00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:09,040
Speaker 3: third it was insurance was one because you couldn't get.

1144
00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:13,560
Speaker 3: Insurance and ACTUALLY. Cj, Walker madam C. J walker was

1145
00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:17,840
Speaker 3: the other by herself and, baseball, right so you know

1146
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:21,720
Speaker 3: you flow through, this you, know business corporate, sensibility and you,

1147
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:23,960
Speaker 3: realize like this was so much more than just like

1148
00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:26,320
Speaker 3: between the white, lines, right a bat and a ball

1149
00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:27,800
Speaker 3: and catch the, ball hit the. Ball it was so

1150
00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:30,480
Speaker 3: much more on what it. Meant so being part of

1151
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:34,840
Speaker 3: that recognized and contributing to the exhibit begging on the

1152
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:38,240
Speaker 3: field amongst you, know family and friends and just kind,

1153
00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:41,040
Speaker 3: of like you, said elevating something that's been you, know

1154
00:58:41,080 --> 00:58:43,600
Speaker 3: slowly getting to the point where now there's so much

1155
00:58:43,640 --> 00:58:47,320
Speaker 3: being done to kind of recognize it and absorbing the, stories,

1156
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:49,840
Speaker 3: RIGHT i, mean what an honor to be part of

1157
00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:52,800
Speaker 3: these stories of like pioneers and people who went through

1158
00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:56,480
Speaker 3: so many things to bring this game to. Life Tony,

1159
00:58:56,520 --> 00:58:58,240
Speaker 3: stone you know you can go on the, list SO

1160
00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:00,800
Speaker 3: i you, KNOW i feel like just being part of

1161
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:02,240
Speaker 3: that history is a great.

1162
00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:04,960
Speaker 1: Hunter, Well, Doug and this all comes on the heels,

1163
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:09,360
Speaker 1: too of the long, awaited much needed news For negro

1164
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:14,920
Speaker 1: league statistics to be incorporated Into Major league. Statistics and

1165
00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:17,440
Speaker 1: when this decision came, down what was your.

1166
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:22,680
Speaker 3: REACTION i felt, exuberant you, KNOW i felt. EXUBERANT i

1167
00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:25,600
Speaker 3: know as a stat numbers guy and an. Engineer there's,

1168
00:59:25,640 --> 00:59:28,240
Speaker 3: complications of, course because you have to go back and

1169
00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:30,920
Speaker 3: the research over the LAST i think since twenty. Twenty

1170
00:59:31,160 --> 00:59:34,280
Speaker 3: but the door opened was really kicked open when twenty

1171
00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:37,720
Speaker 3: twenty happened and the shortened season with the pandemic opened

1172
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:40,360
Speaker 3: the door to, say, well sixty and eighty games is a, season,

1173
00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:43,600
Speaker 3: right these stats, matter and that The negro leagues was

1174
00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:47,080
Speaker 3: typically then that. Ranged so then the floodgates were. Open

1175
00:59:47,120 --> 00:59:50,880
Speaker 3: and now nineteen sixty, nine you, know they convened to discuss,

1176
00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:53,920
Speaker 3: this and they took all these other stats from leagues

1177
00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:58,640
Speaker 3: in eighteen seventies or whatever and skipped over literally continued

1178
00:59:58,640 --> 01:00:02,600
Speaker 3: the invisibility of these black ball. Players so so there was,

1179
01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:05,480
Speaker 3: opportunities but this was another chance to really look at

1180
01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:08,360
Speaker 3: it through a different lens where now you had absolutely

1181
01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:12,439
Speaker 3: pressing it around sixty game, schedules and you, know, look

1182
01:00:12,560 --> 01:00:14,400
Speaker 3: is it. Imperfect of, course it is the numbers and

1183
01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:17,080
Speaker 3: trying to figure out but once again the fork in

1184
01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:20,360
Speaker 3: the road that our country, took we had a, chance you,

1185
01:00:20,360 --> 01:00:23,720
Speaker 3: know after slavery ended to go a different, direction and

1186
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:25,680
Speaker 3: when we decided to go this way and kind of

1187
01:00:25,720 --> 01:00:29,320
Speaker 3: criminalize being black and all the things that built generations of,

1188
01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:33,680
Speaker 3: inequity when we made that decision and then we had

1189
01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:35,400
Speaker 3: to own. It we have to own, it and baseball

1190
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:37,720
Speaker 3: has to own it as. Well like the challenge we

1191
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:40,320
Speaker 3: have of trying to make equality out of this is

1192
01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:43,440
Speaker 3: of course, murky but that's what we built. On and

1193
01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:46,440
Speaker 3: now you know it's it's, hard but it's supposed to

1194
01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:49,800
Speaker 3: be hard because of the pathway we elected to choose

1195
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:54,080
Speaker 3: and create these two, societies, right these two worlds That Jackie,

1196
01:00:54,160 --> 01:00:56,600
Speaker 3: robinson you, know became sort of a bridge at some,

1197
01:00:56,680 --> 01:01:00,160
Speaker 3: point but many others before. Him SO i think it's

1198
01:01:00,680 --> 01:01:03,480
Speaker 3: nice to see, That, yeah we know these, numbers but

1199
01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:06,000
Speaker 3: as we have both all lived in this life of,

1200
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:09,440
Speaker 3: baseball there's stories within those. Numbers and you're not just

1201
01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:13,200
Speaker 3: taking on just statistics or a seven thirty ops or.

1202
01:01:13,240 --> 01:01:16,440
Speaker 3: Whatever you're taking on the lifeblood of these players that

1203
01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:19,920
Speaker 3: did so much to go THROUGH, X y AND z

1204
01:01:20,080 --> 01:01:22,560
Speaker 3: to just get on the. Field AND i think those

1205
01:01:22,560 --> 01:01:25,040
Speaker 3: stories are important to now share because it is now

1206
01:01:25,080 --> 01:01:27,800
Speaker 3: one umbrella of. Baseball AND i think it's also important

1207
01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:30,760
Speaker 3: to still let it stand on its own for what

1208
01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:33,280
Speaker 3: it's meant and what they were able to achieve and,

1209
01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:37,520
Speaker 3: build because you, know when you build something in the black,

1210
01:01:37,600 --> 01:01:41,320
Speaker 3: society when you're building something in the, twenties it's not

1211
01:01:41,360 --> 01:01:43,439
Speaker 3: field the, dreams, right it's not building and they will.

1212
01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:46,680
Speaker 4: Come it's build, it and we're still scared.

1213
01:01:46,360 --> 01:01:48,240
Speaker 3: You're going to steal, it which is what happened a,

1214
01:01:48,240 --> 01:01:50,600
Speaker 3: lot or we're going to build it and you might

1215
01:01:50,680 --> 01:01:54,000
Speaker 3: literally burn it to the ground Like. Tulsa, Right and

1216
01:01:54,040 --> 01:01:57,640
Speaker 3: there's examples after examples of, that from The Harlem renaissance

1217
01:01:57,640 --> 01:01:59,960
Speaker 3: in the fashion industry to the music industry and the

1218
01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:03,400
Speaker 3: music and so. On so there's a big leap of

1219
01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:06,080
Speaker 3: faith to, say we're still doing, this, right we love,

1220
01:02:06,120 --> 01:02:09,800
Speaker 3: This we are still doing, this and we're appealing to the.

1221
01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:12,480
Speaker 3: Future we're appealing to a world we don't even see.

1222
01:02:12,520 --> 01:02:14,920
Speaker 3: Yet we're appealing to equity that hasn't even come. Yet

1223
01:02:15,040 --> 01:02:17,360
Speaker 3: we're appealing to something that's not even, identified we're not

1224
01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:20,280
Speaker 3: even experiencing in real, time but we can hope and

1225
01:02:20,360 --> 01:02:23,560
Speaker 3: see one, day one day this will. Come AND i

1226
01:02:23,600 --> 01:02:26,560
Speaker 3: think that part of that coming is this transfer of

1227
01:02:26,560 --> 01:02:30,640
Speaker 3: these statistics and this sort of fusion of, statistics AND

1228
01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:34,920
Speaker 3: i think it just makes baseball. Stronger it makes baseball

1229
01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:39,000
Speaker 3: more honest and, direct and it may create some complexities

1230
01:02:39,320 --> 01:02:42,560
Speaker 3: in the. Statistics but maybe when it, does it sparks a.

1231
01:02:42,600 --> 01:02:45,760
Speaker 3: Conversation it's, like why are we looking At Josh, Gibbson

1232
01:02:45,880 --> 01:02:48,919
Speaker 3: let's talk about. THAT i think that's actually a good

1233
01:02:48,920 --> 01:02:51,480
Speaker 3: thing to, contextualize and so we.

1234
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:52,560
Speaker 4: Get a little bit away from the.

1235
01:02:52,600 --> 01:02:55,720
Speaker 3: Numbers never lie because we know that numbers have their

1236
01:02:55,720 --> 01:02:58,280
Speaker 3: own bias in, it because we choose what we want to.

1237
01:02:58,320 --> 01:03:01,160
Speaker 3: Choose IF i told, you LIKE i, Know tim knows

1238
01:03:01,160 --> 01:03:05,080
Speaker 3: a lot of my. Stats IF i, said, Well, tim

1239
01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:07,040
Speaker 3: IF i go off of my batting average against The

1240
01:03:07,080 --> 01:03:09,560
Speaker 3: Kansas City, Royals i'm in The hall Of. FAME i,

1241
01:03:09,560 --> 01:03:11,800
Speaker 3: mean IF i choose whatever NUMBERS i, want BECAUSE i

1242
01:03:11,840 --> 01:03:14,360
Speaker 3: was like eleven four fourteen off those, guys, Right so

1243
01:03:15,640 --> 01:03:18,480
Speaker 3: that's one. Number BUT i can also choose something WHAT

1244
01:03:18,560 --> 01:03:21,440
Speaker 3: i hit In Turner, field which was like under two.

1245
01:03:21,560 --> 01:03:23,840
Speaker 3: Hundred SO i could be the greatest player On earth

1246
01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:25,600
Speaker 3: IF i choose whatever, numbers OR i could be the

1247
01:03:25,600 --> 01:03:28,280
Speaker 3: worst player On. Earth and that's what we love about

1248
01:03:28,280 --> 01:03:32,120
Speaker 3: baseball because we can find statistics to make someone exceptional

1249
01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:35,840
Speaker 3: or make someone, irrelevant, Right and the problem from a

1250
01:03:35,920 --> 01:03:38,960
Speaker 3: racial standpoint, is we tried to make these black players

1251
01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:42,600
Speaker 3: irrelevant for too, long AND i think it was high.

1252
01:03:42,600 --> 01:03:45,160
Speaker 3: Time AS i said in the article In The, ATLANTIC i,

1253
01:03:45,200 --> 01:03:47,560
Speaker 3: said we spent so much time putting zeros on their

1254
01:03:47,600 --> 01:03:50,520
Speaker 3: backs and slapping zeros on. There we kind of forgot

1255
01:03:50,520 --> 01:03:53,919
Speaker 3: the humanity that we needed to. Have and now we're

1256
01:03:53,920 --> 01:03:54,760
Speaker 3: doing something about.

1257
01:03:54,800 --> 01:03:57,520
Speaker 1: That, Yeah doug real, Fast dad AND i talked about

1258
01:03:57,560 --> 01:03:59,840
Speaker 1: this on the, podcast and the thing that we reiterated

1259
01:03:59,880 --> 01:04:02,440
Speaker 1: was the THING i was seeing on social media of

1260
01:04:02,520 --> 01:04:05,840
Speaker 1: that was somewhat. Negative there was a lot of, positive

1261
01:04:05,840 --> 01:04:08,360
Speaker 1: but of the negative, comments they, say, well you, Know

1262
01:04:08,720 --> 01:04:11,360
Speaker 1: Satul page never Faced Babe, Ruth AND i, Said Babe

1263
01:04:11,400 --> 01:04:15,240
Speaker 1: ruth never Faced Statul. PAGE i mean it goes both, ways,

1264
01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:18,280
Speaker 1: Right and you could make the, argument would these white

1265
01:04:18,320 --> 01:04:21,480
Speaker 1: players be as good if they were playing against these Black,

1266
01:04:21,560 --> 01:04:25,200
Speaker 1: right it goes both, ways but people don't really look at,

1267
01:04:25,240 --> 01:04:26,760
Speaker 1: it and that's just kind Of that's kind of the

1268
01:04:26,800 --> 01:04:28,440
Speaker 1: HILL i like to die on when it comes to

1269
01:04:28,520 --> 01:04:31,560
Speaker 1: any conversation about, that is it's not just they weren't,

1270
01:04:31,600 --> 01:04:34,600
Speaker 1: facing you, know players in the major leagues it's those

1271
01:04:34,640 --> 01:04:37,200
Speaker 1: major leaguers weren't facing The negro leaguers and their stats

1272
01:04:37,280 --> 01:04:39,880
Speaker 1: might have been adjusted and. Changed, Sorry, dad go, ahead

1273
01:04:39,920 --> 01:04:41,240
Speaker 1: that's my hill And i'm dying on.

1274
01:04:41,320 --> 01:04:45,400
Speaker 2: It go. Ahead, Well Doug bunck O'Neil told me twenty

1275
01:04:45,480 --> 01:04:48,760
Speaker 2: years ago the best player of all time Was Willie,

1276
01:04:48,800 --> 01:04:52,040
Speaker 2: mays but he told me the greatest Player i've ever

1277
01:04:52,120 --> 01:04:56,560
Speaker 2: seen Was Oscar. Charlton i'd just like to know what

1278
01:04:56,720 --> 01:05:00,440
Speaker 2: you think if we Saw oscar today in his, prime

1279
01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:02,040
Speaker 2: what that would look.

1280
01:05:02,120 --> 01:05:05,360
Speaker 3: LIKE i, MEAN i don't. Know i'm only going off

1281
01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:08,080
Speaker 3: of WHAT i read and. LEARNED i, MEAN i feel

1282
01:05:08,160 --> 01:05:10,960
Speaker 3: like there's a kind Of ronald The Kunya junior in

1283
01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:14,720
Speaker 3: this thing last, YEAR i, mean the everything man like

1284
01:05:14,760 --> 01:05:18,520
Speaker 3: he kind of did it all extra and some. LEVEL

1285
01:05:18,560 --> 01:05:20,520
Speaker 3: a lot of The Negro league's players had To they

1286
01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:23,320
Speaker 3: didn't have twenty five man. Rosters they had smaller, rosters

1287
01:05:23,720 --> 01:05:25,680
Speaker 3: so they had to be double duty radcliffe and they

1288
01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:29,320
Speaker 3: had to do a lot of. Things so those, opportunities you,

1289
01:05:29,360 --> 01:05:32,200
Speaker 3: know we don't. Know there's somewhat anecdotal in certain, levels

1290
01:05:32,200 --> 01:05:35,800
Speaker 3: and now a little bit more, statistical, Thankfully but to your, Point,

1291
01:05:35,880 --> 01:05:38,600
Speaker 3: JEFF i think the idea that, well one of the

1292
01:05:38,600 --> 01:05:40,960
Speaker 3: biggest points of evidence is, like, well just look at

1293
01:05:40,960 --> 01:05:44,200
Speaker 3: the next generation of, ballplayers not even after The negro.

1294
01:05:44,280 --> 01:05:48,479
Speaker 3: LEAGUES i Mean Willie, Mays Hank, Aroon Billy, Williams Ernie.

1295
01:05:48,520 --> 01:05:50,120
Speaker 3: Banks it just go on the. List these are greatest

1296
01:05:50,120 --> 01:05:53,600
Speaker 3: players ever played the game. Period so they were doing something,

1297
01:05:53,680 --> 01:05:56,120
Speaker 3: right and they were playing against somebody good because that's

1298
01:05:56,120 --> 01:05:58,200
Speaker 3: who came out of The negro leagues and the next

1299
01:05:58,200 --> 01:06:01,040
Speaker 3: generation of black baseball. Players and you don't just get

1300
01:06:01,040 --> 01:06:03,240
Speaker 3: that out of the, sky, right you have to develop.

1301
01:06:03,320 --> 01:06:06,440
Speaker 3: That SO i think that's also to the point about

1302
01:06:06,440 --> 01:06:09,080
Speaker 3: like who's playing against Too and once, again we as

1303
01:06:09,120 --> 01:06:12,040
Speaker 3: a country made the decision to make it like, that,

1304
01:06:12,200 --> 01:06:14,960
Speaker 3: right the quotas and the land of all the stuff

1305
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:17,520
Speaker 3: that they did to keep black players, out they made

1306
01:06:17,560 --> 01:06:19,240
Speaker 3: that choice to make it hard.

1307
01:06:19,040 --> 01:06:21,080
Speaker 4: To compare in some ways didn't have to be that.

1308
01:06:21,120 --> 01:06:23,080
Speaker 4: Way didn't have to be that.

1309
01:06:23,080 --> 01:06:26,000
Speaker 3: Way SO i think, it's you, know it's going to be,

1310
01:06:26,440 --> 01:06:28,840
Speaker 3: imperfect trying to fix it later when we could have

1311
01:06:28,840 --> 01:06:31,240
Speaker 3: addressed it. Then but that's what we built. On and

1312
01:06:31,600 --> 01:06:34,480
Speaker 3: NOW i look forward and my daughter who's eight years.

1313
01:06:34,520 --> 01:06:36,480
Speaker 3: Old one day we'll look in thirty years from, Now

1314
01:06:36,480 --> 01:06:38,960
Speaker 3: i'll be like this will be, normalized AND i think

1315
01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:39,480
Speaker 3: that's a good.

1316
01:06:39,480 --> 01:06:40,360
Speaker 4: Thing all.

1317
01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:44,000
Speaker 2: Right last thing for, Me, doug what are you hoping

1318
01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:48,120
Speaker 2: that the game In rickford does For Major League?

1319
01:06:48,160 --> 01:06:53,320
Speaker 3: BASEBALL i think it's a wonderful opportunity to bring those

1320
01:06:53,360 --> 01:06:57,480
Speaker 3: stories to. Life and there's so. MANY i think that

1321
01:06:57,600 --> 01:07:00,560
Speaker 3: the power of those stories and realize that they are

1322
01:07:00,680 --> 01:07:04,760
Speaker 3: truly baseball, stories they're universal, stories Their american, stories they're

1323
01:07:04,800 --> 01:07:07,000
Speaker 3: international stories of hope.

1324
01:07:06,680 --> 01:07:11,280
Speaker 4: And, change pain and, principles that is.

1325
01:07:11,320 --> 01:07:14,160
Speaker 3: Important AND i think the more they can celebrate that

1326
01:07:14,280 --> 01:07:17,880
Speaker 3: and see everyone in this environment, right this homeland of

1327
01:07:18,000 --> 01:07:20,600
Speaker 3: the oldest stadium out there right and be able to

1328
01:07:20,640 --> 01:07:24,040
Speaker 3: see that, like, yeah baseball existed, here it's almost like

1329
01:07:24,080 --> 01:07:27,640
Speaker 3: bringing the stadium to life and the echoes that come.

1330
01:07:27,720 --> 01:07:30,640
Speaker 3: Through AND i think the other important thing is more

1331
01:07:30,720 --> 01:07:32,919
Speaker 3: than just you, Know Willie mays and all these great

1332
01:07:32,920 --> 01:07:35,680
Speaker 3: players we. Name there's a lot of players that are

1333
01:07:35,760 --> 01:07:38,880
Speaker 3: kind of nameless and. Anonymous and you, KNOW i wrote

1334
01:07:38,960 --> 01:07:42,360
Speaker 3: a poem about Called anonymous That i'm hoping to you,

1335
01:07:42,400 --> 01:07:44,880
Speaker 3: know put through WITH. ESPN i think they're considering, it

1336
01:07:45,160 --> 01:07:47,280
Speaker 3: but just talking about we're going to talk about standing

1337
01:07:47,320 --> 01:07:49,600
Speaker 3: on the shoulders of but you, know you kind of

1338
01:07:49,600 --> 01:07:51,800
Speaker 3: think about what's on their, name what's what's on their,

1339
01:07:51,880 --> 01:07:54,640
Speaker 3: back and a lot of times it's. Blank, right there's

1340
01:07:54,680 --> 01:07:58,040
Speaker 3: so much blank of people we don't identify that might

1341
01:07:58,080 --> 01:07:59,760
Speaker 3: have played for a week but meant something to the

1342
01:07:59,800 --> 01:08:02,600
Speaker 3: neghborhood that they came, from to the, fans they were someone's,

1343
01:08:02,640 --> 01:08:05,520
Speaker 3: husband whatever it may. Be So i'm hoping baseball will

1344
01:08:05,800 --> 01:08:09,800
Speaker 3: tie this all together really well at that major league, level,

1345
01:08:09,840 --> 01:08:12,000
Speaker 3: right what we're associated, with and bring it all into

1346
01:08:12,040 --> 01:08:14,720
Speaker 3: that one home and The giants And cardinals and the

1347
01:08:14,760 --> 01:08:18,479
Speaker 3: teams that will be able to celebrate. That the history

1348
01:08:18,560 --> 01:08:20,840
Speaker 3: is rich and The. Cardinals, look you think about you

1349
01:08:20,840 --> 01:08:23,160
Speaker 3: Know Kurt, flood, right you think of players that change

1350
01:08:23,200 --> 01:08:26,400
Speaker 3: the game through going through the court, system The american

1351
01:08:26,439 --> 01:08:28,960
Speaker 3: system did it by the, law by the, book trying

1352
01:08:28,960 --> 01:08:31,439
Speaker 3: to make change that. Way you think about how many

1353
01:08:31,439 --> 01:08:33,640
Speaker 3: black players they, had they came through Lou brock and so.

1354
01:08:33,680 --> 01:08:34,599
Speaker 4: On that's.

1355
01:08:34,640 --> 01:08:36,880
Speaker 3: Significant of, course The, giants you, know whether It's Willie

1356
01:08:36,920 --> 01:08:40,799
Speaker 3: mays Or willie, McCovey there's so many examples that these teams.

1357
01:08:40,840 --> 01:08:44,519
Speaker 3: Represent So i'm loving, it BUT i love to see

1358
01:08:44,560 --> 01:08:49,160
Speaker 3: like that, connection, right we are one tapestry and baseball

1359
01:08:49,240 --> 01:08:53,120
Speaker 3: is such a great opportunity to do that and over

1360
01:08:53,200 --> 01:08:56,200
Speaker 3: this game and what the stories will learn that are

1361
01:08:56,240 --> 01:08:56,880
Speaker 3: just going to blow our.

1362
01:08:56,880 --> 01:09:00,080
Speaker 1: Minds we look forward to hearing that. Poem my dad, did,

1363
01:09:00,280 --> 01:09:03,519
Speaker 1: however that it was quote unfair that you are a

1364
01:09:03,560 --> 01:09:06,280
Speaker 1: major Former Major league baseball player who also is a

1365
01:09:06,280 --> 01:09:08,920
Speaker 1: better writer than. Him he did say that on the

1366
01:09:08,960 --> 01:09:12,320
Speaker 1: podcast because he really enjoyed your. Poetry it's true he

1367
01:09:12,400 --> 01:09:14,160
Speaker 1: said he. Was he was a little bit, angry and

1368
01:09:14,200 --> 01:09:17,360
Speaker 1: you know he. Does timmy doesn't get angry over. There So,

1369
01:09:18,160 --> 01:09:20,120
Speaker 1: doug thank you so much for joining is just a

1370
01:09:20,120 --> 01:09:23,920
Speaker 1: great game or what to emphasize the importance of The

1371
01:09:24,000 --> 01:09:26,599
Speaker 1: rick Wood field game and of course The East west

1372
01:09:26,640 --> 01:09:29,360
Speaker 1: game and The Negro league. Incorporation this was this was

1373
01:09:29,439 --> 01:09:31,880
Speaker 1: really informative and it's it was great chatting with.

1374
01:09:31,920 --> 01:09:35,360
Speaker 4: You absolutely pleasure being. On thank you so, much, right

1375
01:09:35,439 --> 01:09:36,400
Speaker 4: thanks for being with, Us.

1376
01:09:36,439 --> 01:09:39,320
Speaker 2: Doug we'll see you, soon well before next year In.

1377
01:09:39,360 --> 01:09:43,080
Speaker 1: England Doug, glanville thank you so much for joining. Us

1378
01:09:43,439 --> 01:09:46,680
Speaker 1: my favorite moment being when he was really upset the

1379
01:09:46,720 --> 01:09:49,919
Speaker 1: Dexter fowler was even allowed to play because he retired

1380
01:09:50,160 --> 01:09:50,519
Speaker 1: a week.

1381
01:09:50,640 --> 01:09:53,519
Speaker 2: Ago basically he Wanted Jim rice to be A hall

1382
01:09:53,560 --> 01:09:55,120
Speaker 2: Of Famer Jim rice in center.

1383
01:09:55,160 --> 01:09:57,920
Speaker 1: Field there's a lot of, athletes of, course all former,

1384
01:09:57,960 --> 01:10:00,640
Speaker 1: athletes all current athletes playing In what were some of

1385
01:10:00,720 --> 01:10:01,519
Speaker 1: the best plays from this.

1386
01:10:01,640 --> 01:10:04,960
Speaker 2: Year, WELL i just love, It jeff that even after

1387
01:10:05,080 --> 01:10:07,800
Speaker 2: this amount of time the guys have been, retired they

1388
01:10:07,880 --> 01:10:10,680
Speaker 2: still want to show that they could still. Play So

1389
01:10:10,840 --> 01:10:13,280
Speaker 2: Adam jones was a really good Outfield do you Remember

1390
01:10:13,280 --> 01:10:17,000
Speaker 2: Adam jones played for The Orioles number, ten started his,

1391
01:10:17,120 --> 01:10:20,800
Speaker 2: career his professional career as a shortstop and then they

1392
01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:24,719
Speaker 2: turned him into an. Outfielder so After Jerry, harriston junior

1393
01:10:24,840 --> 01:10:28,800
Speaker 2: our pal like tore his hamstring making a jump throw

1394
01:10:29,280 --> 01:10:32,680
Speaker 2: in The East west, Game Adam jones took over at

1395
01:10:32,800 --> 01:10:36,639
Speaker 2: shortstop and the final out of The East west, game

1396
01:10:36,760 --> 01:10:40,200
Speaker 2: played In Cooper, sound Was Adam jones going to his

1397
01:10:40,360 --> 01:10:44,759
Speaker 2: left one handed play spins throws the strike to. FIRST

1398
01:10:45,120 --> 01:10:48,080
Speaker 2: i saw him In. England he lives In. Barcelona. NOW

1399
01:10:48,080 --> 01:10:50,559
Speaker 2: i saw him In england AND i, Said, adam tell

1400
01:10:50,600 --> 01:10:53,120
Speaker 2: me about the last play you made in The East west.

1401
01:10:53,160 --> 01:10:56,200
Speaker 2: Game and he looked at me like he's never played

1402
01:10:56,240 --> 01:10:58,200
Speaker 2: before in his. Life he, said you should have seen.

1403
01:10:58,240 --> 01:11:00,679
Speaker 2: It oh my, GOSH i told him EVERYONE i could

1404
01:11:00,680 --> 01:11:04,120
Speaker 2: still play shortstop after he's, Kidding but he's not. Kidding

1405
01:11:04,360 --> 01:11:07,280
Speaker 2: he just wants people to KNOW a he's still a great.

1406
01:11:07,320 --> 01:11:10,280
Speaker 2: ATHLETE b he could still do some. Things and most,

1407
01:11:10,320 --> 01:11:13,840
Speaker 2: IMPORTANT ce he came up as a. Shortstop and then

1408
01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:16,640
Speaker 2: maybe the last play he'll ever make him a, shortstop

1409
01:11:16,840 --> 01:11:20,000
Speaker 2: he doesn't to end The East west game In cooper

1410
01:11:20,080 --> 01:11:20,760
Speaker 2: sound just.

1411
01:11:21,200 --> 01:11:23,840
Speaker 1: Beautiful, well thank you so much for listening to another.

1412
01:11:23,960 --> 01:11:25,479
Speaker 1: Edition if it's just a great game or.

1413
01:11:25,479 --> 01:11:28,639
Speaker 2: What make sure to follow or subscribe wherever you get

1414
01:11:28,720 --> 01:11:32,479
Speaker 2: your podcasts and we really appreciate, you and as, always thank.

1415
01:11:32,439 --> 01:11:33,599
Speaker 1: You for being a part of our.

1416
01:11:33,640 --> 01:11:34,000
Speaker 2: Family