1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,800 Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, Welcome to the Buck Sexton Show. We are 2 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:07,960 Speaker 1: joined by our friend Pedro Gonzalez, politics editor of Chronicles magazine. 3 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:12,480 Speaker 1: A lot to talk about the Trump DeSantis showdown Tucker 4 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:16,000 Speaker 1: gets taken off air at Fox. We don't even have 5 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:18,640 Speaker 1: the full story yet, but obviously a big shockwave through 6 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:25,759 Speaker 1: conservative media and then Disney versus DeSantis and corporatism in 7 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:28,880 Speaker 1: America today and how it affects the GOP and all 8 00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:33,159 Speaker 1: of the rest of it. Mister Pedro insightful, brave and 9 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 1: always ready to throw down. What's going on, sir? How 10 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 1: are you, Buck? 11 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 2: Thank you for that nice introduction. I'm well and I'm 12 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:41,880 Speaker 2: happy to be back on the show. 13 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 1: So tell me, my friend the what are you seeing 14 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:47,760 Speaker 1: right now with the Trump campaign? Because I'll start with 15 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:52,519 Speaker 1: this one. I know I on the radio show, right 16 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:54,959 Speaker 1: we have a mandate, mandate passed to us from RAJ 17 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 1: that we don't endorse primary candidates, but of course we're 18 00:00:57,720 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 1: going to talk about the primary, talk about what we 19 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:05,640 Speaker 1: think different moves, policies, campaign ads, whatever it may be. Right, 20 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 1: we call balls and strikes, and that's what we do 21 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:10,039 Speaker 1: on the radio show. But you know, Trump put out 22 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 1: a statement that said something along the lines of I mean, 23 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:18,759 Speaker 1: I'm paraphrasing, but this is certainly within the spirit of it. 24 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:26,200 Speaker 1: Here's like thirty reasons Florida actually sucks and Florida is 25 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:28,240 Speaker 1: a place I believe the quote was a place of 26 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 1: destruction and despair and just went off on Florida. And 27 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 1: I'm sitting here, I'm like, first of all, I live 28 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:35,520 Speaker 1: in Florida now. I moved to Florida from New York 29 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 1: because of the policies of Florida. And he lives in Florida, 30 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 1: and his adult children live in Florida. And every conservative 31 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 1: that I know pretty much who ken has moved to 32 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:52,800 Speaker 1: Florida in the last few years in the media. So 33 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 1: I just said, you know, that strikes me as not 34 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 1: a particularly good plan of attack. And I get about 35 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 1: half the comments on Twitter or something on lines of 36 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 1: why are you a trader for d Chess Florida, Florida 37 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 1: does suck from a lot of people. What is this 38 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 1: going on here? Man? What is this all about? Like, 39 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:14,200 Speaker 1: try to make sense of the crazy here for me. 40 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 2: Did you like look out your window when you saw 41 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 2: that wall of text about Florida being a place of despair? 42 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 2: And did you like check your surroundings. I have to 43 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:25,919 Speaker 2: imagine how people in Florida actually took that news. By 44 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 2: the way, one of the groups that was cited in 45 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 2: that statement, if we're talking about the same one, was 46 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:36,799 Speaker 2: National Something or Other for Affordable Housing. It's actually a 47 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:39,400 Speaker 2: group that is backed by Sorows money. 48 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 1: Yes it's a Sorrows sure. 49 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:45,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a nonprofit that's pro transgenderism. And that was 50 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 2: one of the main sources of information that Trump used 51 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 2: to hit the Santis. In other words, he kind of 52 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:54,840 Speaker 2: laundered I mean, he probably didn't know, but he inadvertently 53 00:02:54,880 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 2: laundered Sorrows talking points about a conservative governor into the 54 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 2: right in order to make his point. So, I mean, 55 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 2: I think that that was really disastrous. But here here's 56 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 2: the important thing that I found personally, And it wasn't 57 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 2: really a revelation, but it was just a nice reminder. 58 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 2: I was in DC recently. I sat on a panel 59 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:18,080 Speaker 2: for the Bull Moose Summit, UH, for the Bull Moose 60 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:23,399 Speaker 2: Project Summit, and we talked about UH, basically big tech 61 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:25,960 Speaker 2: and immigration. We had a lot of really good people 62 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:28,840 Speaker 2: that were speaking, people from the American Principles Project, people 63 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 2: from Heritage Foundation, people from the Center for Immigration Studies. 64 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 2: Very smart crowd, obviously, all very on, you know, on 65 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 2: on this side of the issues, on the right side 66 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 2: in other words, and in the audience, there are people 67 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 2: that leaned either for Trump and Florida Santis. And I 68 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 2: didn't meet a single person who was for Trump in 69 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 2: the audience that came up to me, that approached me 70 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 2: and said, I'm a fan of your work. I think 71 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 2: your your criticisms of Trump in terms of, you know, 72 00:03:59,880 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 2: the problems with things like exactly what you opened with 73 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 2: these kind of unhinged attacks on the Santis or taking 74 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 2: like the wrong side and important fights just despite the Santas, 75 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 2: you know, like the Disney stuff or whatever. I didn't 76 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 2: meet anybody who came out to me and said screw you, 77 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:18,160 Speaker 2: you know, like Trump twenty twenty four. Everyone who came 78 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:20,839 Speaker 2: up to me and spoke to me and basically open 79 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 2: with that, I'm a fan of your work. I think 80 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 2: you're over target on some of these important issues. I'm 81 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:28,600 Speaker 2: still leaning pro Trump. All of them were civil, all 82 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 2: of them were super friendly. They were open to views 83 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 2: that they didn't necessarily, you know, agree with themselves, but 84 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:41,479 Speaker 2: they didn't freak out and immediately start hurling insults, And 85 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 2: it's just a reminder that like the psychotic vitriol that 86 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:48,960 Speaker 2: you see on social media and in particular Twitter, it's 87 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:51,839 Speaker 2: not reflected in real life. That I mean, that shouldn't 88 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:53,719 Speaker 2: be a surprise, but I think it's important to take 89 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 2: note of that for people that are spending a lot 90 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:57,839 Speaker 2: of time on Twitter, whether it's because it's what they're 91 00:04:57,839 --> 00:04:59,719 Speaker 2: into or for like in my case, it's for work, 92 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 2: it's just not reflected in real life. And it actually 93 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 2: seems to be like a deliberate campaign strategy, or at 94 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 2: least there are influencers who are informally involved with a 95 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:12,719 Speaker 2: campaign that have made this kind of their strategy where 96 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:15,039 Speaker 2: if you just dissent, you know, if you like the 97 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 2: wrong tweet, you're now a traitor and you're subject to 98 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:21,359 Speaker 2: all kinds of just unhinged attacks. But that's just not 99 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:25,600 Speaker 2: reflected in reality. And there's tons of overlap between Trump 100 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 2: supporters and Desanda supporters in reality, not on Twitter, where 101 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:31,719 Speaker 2: every day seems to be like a knife fight in 102 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 2: a phone booth to prove your loyalty. 103 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:34,919 Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I was going to say, it strikes me 104 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 1: that this is this is an effort that assuming that 105 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 1: that it is. What would you see it as an 106 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:45,240 Speaker 1: I think it's similarly a situation where there's an effort 107 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:49,479 Speaker 1: to make effort to create a fear online for people 108 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:52,920 Speaker 1: to just say the obvious and there's no one. You know, 109 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:55,120 Speaker 1: I just moved to Florida from New York because of 110 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:57,120 Speaker 1: all the good things happening here. I'm going to go 111 00:05:57,160 --> 00:05:59,799 Speaker 1: along with saying that Florida is a bad place because 112 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 1: Trump wants to stick his thumb in DeSantis's eye with 113 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:05,479 Speaker 1: a statement on truth social No, not gonna do that 114 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:09,040 Speaker 1: for Trump. Not gonna do that for anybody. And it's 115 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:13,520 Speaker 1: remarkable to see now there's some very sort of unhinged 116 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:17,920 Speaker 1: Trump's surrogate influencers were running around who are just trying 117 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 1: to start fights with people over this. But what they're 118 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:24,839 Speaker 1: demanding is is really a mandatory stupidity. I mean, they're 119 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:28,640 Speaker 1: demanding not, hey go along with ideas that are the 120 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 1: core of conservatism or else We're going to start to 121 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 1: think that they're demanding that you go along with whatever. 122 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 1: I mean, it doesn't even matter, right if Trump came 123 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 1: out with a statement that said, you know, abortion all 124 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 1: nine months of a pregnancy is a great thing for example, like, 125 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 1: we really need to change the party on this one, 126 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:47,799 Speaker 1: Ron DeSantis, we're doing this pro life thing. Really gross 127 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:51,359 Speaker 1: need to do nine months of abortion. We all know 128 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:54,360 Speaker 1: that there would be people online saying Trump's right, He's 129 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 1: got this, and I'm just sitting here, I'm like absolutely not, 130 00:06:57,920 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 1: Like I don't know what else to say other than 131 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:02,279 Speaker 1: you know, look, I would vote for Trump again over Biden. 132 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 1: Obviously I've said that, and maybe Trump is going to 133 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:07,040 Speaker 1: be the better guy at the end of this primary. 134 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 1: But the demands for obedience before a primary has even happened, 135 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:12,280 Speaker 1: it just strikes me as it's coming from a place 136 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 1: of kind of insecurity and fear from the Trump campaign, 137 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 1: which I didn't even think would really be there, but 138 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 1: I think it is. 139 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:23,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, I'm again. I met people who feel the 140 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 2: exact same way that basically they're pro Trump, but they 141 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 2: think that he's maybe kind of losing his mind with 142 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 2: this fight that he's got going against the Santis. But 143 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 2: there's still pro Trump, right, and none of them reacted 144 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 2: the way that some of these surrogates do on Twitter, 145 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 2: where it's just this immediately kind of loyalty test and 146 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 2: if you don't unflinchingly just accept whatever the new position is. 147 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 2: You're a trader, and I think you're seeing this play 148 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 2: out on abortion is one issue, but the other ones 149 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 2: are obviously these fights with like Disney, fights over whether 150 00:07:57,040 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 2: or not Florida is a good place to live. 151 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 1: I was just giving a hypothetical. You're talking about areas 152 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 1: where Trump has actually taken effectively the Democrat point of 153 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 1: view to oppose to Santis, and then we're supposed to 154 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:11,600 Speaker 1: say Trump is right even though he's taking the wrong 155 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 1: point of view just because he doesn't like DeSantis. 156 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. And I think the Disney one is 157 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 2: I mean, that's probably the most relevant and immediate one, 158 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 2: is that you have this this showdown between one of 159 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 2: the biggest corporations in the world and the Santis. And 160 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 2: you know, there's a Daily Mail piece that pretty put 161 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 2: it really well that Trump took Disney's side just despite DeSantis. 162 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 2: I actually think there's there's probably a financial aspect to 163 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 2: that as well. Like if you look at the campaign finances, 164 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 2: Disney gave his campaign about ten and a half million 165 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 2: dollars in the twenty twenty cycle. But even that, I 166 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 2: think doesn't account for the fact that like Trump is 167 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 2: seems to be, like you said, really threatened with the 168 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:55,600 Speaker 2: santis to the point where he's making decisions that hurt 169 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 2: the movement that he claims to represent by forcing them 170 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 2: to have to take these positions otherwise, you know, be 171 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 2: hounded by some of these surrogates and stuff. But again, 172 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:06,840 Speaker 2: it's actually okay to break with that consensus because that 173 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 2: stuff is not reflected in real life. And more importantly, 174 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:12,720 Speaker 2: the mandate is more important than the man. So you 175 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 2: can still support Trump for twenty twenty four, that's fine, 176 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:22,080 Speaker 2: but you have to ask yourself is Trump accountable to anything? 177 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:26,720 Speaker 2: Because if he's not, then you basically surrender the mandate 178 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 2: that won him the White House in the first place, 179 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 2: a mandate that represents the values of his base and 180 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:35,959 Speaker 2: the political aspirations of his base. So it's I think 181 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 2: you have to make this distinction between the man and 182 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:41,320 Speaker 2: the mandate. Sometimes the man, you know, aligns with the mandate, 183 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 2: but when he doesn't, well, then his base has to 184 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:46,440 Speaker 2: hold him accountable. And again, the problem with the what's 185 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:49,439 Speaker 2: happening online is that you're not allowed to do that. 186 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 2: You're not allowed to demand accountability. You're supposed to basically 187 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 2: just fall in line you know, Disney's Great Florida sucks. 188 00:09:57,400 --> 00:10:00,959 Speaker 2: You know, don't boycott bud Light whatever you've seen. 189 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:05,320 Speaker 1: What seems to me that there's a move now among 190 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:09,960 Speaker 1: some who at least are are purporting to speak on 191 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 1: behalf of or work on behalf of getting trumple like 192 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 1: whether officially campaign surrogates or not, where it's the whole 193 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 1: point is just that Trump wins. It doesn't matter what 194 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:23,640 Speaker 1: his policies are. It doesn't matter what promises he makes 195 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:26,679 Speaker 1: to the base, it doesn't matter what he supports. The 196 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:29,680 Speaker 1: only purpose of this whole exercise for twenty twenty four 197 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 1: is Trump is Trump winning, which to me starts to 198 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 1: look like what exactly are we doing here? Like I 199 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:39,559 Speaker 1: didn't vote for Trump in twenty sixteen because I think 200 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 1: he's so funny and has cool hair. I do think 201 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:43,679 Speaker 1: he's funny and has cool hair, but that's not why 202 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 1: I voted for him. I wanted him to do things right, 203 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 1: and so to divorce the policies from the purpose here 204 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:54,200 Speaker 1: to me just seems like, like what are we even doing? 205 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 1: It just seems crazy. I mean, you might have seen it. 206 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 1: Trump's even saying he may not debate, because why would 207 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 1: somebody who so far ahead debate, it's like, wait a second, 208 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 1: So now he's not going to fill in the debate stage. 209 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:08,200 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. I think that's another one of these moments 210 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:12,440 Speaker 2: where you have to take a step back, you know, 211 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 2: step away from from the noise and just think through 212 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:20,320 Speaker 2: the implications of that demand. Trump is demanding that he'd 213 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 2: essentially be handed the Republican ticket for president. He's demanding 214 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 2: because he views himself as so ahead of the pack 215 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:31,960 Speaker 2: that basically he's above being challenged, which I mean that 216 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 2: doesn't really make sense because the most viable or at 217 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 2: least the person who's who's perceived as the most viable 218 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 2: alternatives to Trump, Desantas, hasn't entered the race yet, right, 219 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:43,439 Speaker 2: So I mean the polls are meaningless I think at 220 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 2: this point, and Trump may well, you know, maintain his 221 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:51,240 Speaker 2: lead if the sands declared. Who knows, but to basically 222 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:54,440 Speaker 2: demand there will be no debates unless they're run by me, 223 00:11:56,200 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 2: and in either case basically saying like I I'm in 224 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:02,959 Speaker 2: control of the party, so everything that the party does 225 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:05,079 Speaker 2: has to go by me. That's another one of these 226 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 2: moments where you're not supposed to kind of note this 227 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:10,720 Speaker 2: problem where it's like Wait, Trump is the established or 228 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:13,959 Speaker 2: the anti establishment guy, right, He's the outsider. It doesn't 229 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 2: really make sense because he was already president. And here 230 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 2: you have Trump saying I'm in control of the GOP. 231 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 2: Nothing happens unless I say so. Wait, wouldn't that make 232 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 2: him at least in charge of the establishment. Wait? Why 233 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:29,600 Speaker 2: is Trump saying that the GOP is the problem? They're 234 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 2: all endorsing him. I endorsed Ronne McDaniel. 235 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think no, no, no, no, your points are excellent. 236 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:40,640 Speaker 1: I just would say to me, there are reasons I'm 237 00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:42,680 Speaker 1: open to them, and I can lay them out for 238 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 1: people too to think that Trump would be a good 239 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:52,080 Speaker 1: president again and is perhaps well suited to defeat Biden 240 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 1: in the next election. For me, the biggest challenge in 241 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 1: making that case is, you know, what's going to be 242 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 1: different than twenty twenty that's favorable for Trump, And no 243 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 1: one is even trying to make that case for me, Like, 244 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 1: I haven't heard that anywhere. Trump's not making that case. 245 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 1: In fact, the most ardent supporters I come across, and 246 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:12,320 Speaker 1: whether they're calling me, email me, texting me telling me 247 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:14,400 Speaker 1: that I'm, you know, not loyal enough or something, I'm 248 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:15,839 Speaker 1: like Trump and I have a you know, I've always 249 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:17,599 Speaker 1: had a Now it's not like Trump. Trump and I 250 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 1: have a great relationship, but we do. I've always got 251 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:23,120 Speaker 1: along with Trump. I think he's great as a person. 252 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:26,400 Speaker 1: We get along very well. But I'm sitting here and 253 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:30,560 Speaker 1: saying to myself, they're not even making that case. In fact, 254 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 1: that to me, they're making a case that is increasingly incoherent, 255 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 1: like there's a case to be made for Trump. But 256 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 1: that's not what I'm hearing. I'm hearing this incoherence about well, 257 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 1: he's the he's gonna win because he went He's gonna 258 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 1: win because he won before, and it doesn't matter what 259 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 1: his policies are, and it doesn't matter what his policies 260 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:49,199 Speaker 1: were the first time around, because he's the only one 261 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:50,600 Speaker 1: who can win. And if you don't see that, you're 262 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:54,440 Speaker 1: a trader. That's to me, that's just an incoherent mental mishmash. 263 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 1: That's it's just nonsense. 264 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:59,720 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. Trump is the anti establishment figure who has 265 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:03,160 Speaker 2: to himself basically in control of the establishment to such 266 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:04,840 Speaker 2: a degree that no one is allowed to challenge him 267 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 2: unless he says so. That doesn't make it. I mean, 268 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 2: you can see the problem with that argument, right, and 269 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:12,840 Speaker 2: then basically saying that if I even agree to debates, 270 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 2: they have to happen under the parameters that I set, 271 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:17,120 Speaker 2: which is another way of saying I don't want a debate, 272 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:19,720 Speaker 2: I want to be handed thenomination and if the goal 273 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 2: is to find the best person who can beat Biden, 274 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:28,880 Speaker 2: which by the way, I actually I don't think this 275 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 2: might upset people, but I actually think the most likely 276 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 2: scenario for twenty twenty four is a Biden victory. At 277 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 2: this point, I do do. 278 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 1: I've said all I think Biden people are delusional. And 279 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 1: by the way, that's even if it were a Dysantis 280 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 1: win in the primary, I think it's gonna be very 281 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 1: hard for him to beat Biden. The Democrat machinery is 282 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:51,720 Speaker 1: well in trench. It is very serious. And you know 283 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 1: right now, if you look at the campaign apparatus that 284 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 1: I see around Trump, I mean, it looks it's a 285 00:14:57,080 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 1: lot of clown show stuff going on. It's not good, yes, 286 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:02,840 Speaker 1: and I I agree. So so this is this is 287 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 1: my concern is that people seem to think we're just 288 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 1: gonna run the twenty twenty playbook all over again or 289 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 1: something like that. And I'm like, not only did it. 290 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 1: I mean, this is where people get so mad they 291 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 1: call you a trader for saying that it didn't work 292 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:18,080 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty, I'm Joe Biden is the president. Like, 293 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:21,320 Speaker 1: I can't change the reality of what ended up happening. 294 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 1: You know, you can say that like a team didn't 295 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 1: win the super Bowl, but if they actually got the trophy, 296 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:28,040 Speaker 1: won the super Bowl and had the victory parade, Like 297 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:31,720 Speaker 1: does it really matter what you say about it? But 298 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 1: but you know, looking at this going forward, it's going 299 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 1: to be harder. He's an incumbent president. Now, yeah, the 300 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 1: economy is bad, but there's a lot of blame it 301 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 1: they put onto other people. They say that a lot 302 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 1: of spending happened under COVID with Trump, and they say 303 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 1: that that's what caused the inflation and that you know, 304 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:50,320 Speaker 1: they lie, right, Like they lie. It's not like we're 305 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 1: going to have a campaign rooted in the reality. I 306 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 1: want to come back. And by the way, I'm glad 307 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 1: to hear that other people. I know you are, but 308 00:15:56,400 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 1: the other people are I think starting to see that. 309 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 1: You know, talk of like the big red wave in 310 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 1: twenty twenty four, if whoever the Republican nominee is runs 311 00:16:04,520 --> 00:16:08,200 Speaker 1: a phenomenal campaign. 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I think it was interesting. 338 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 1: Nicky Haley earlier in the week came out and basically said, yeah, 339 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:26,119 Speaker 1: you know, we'll treat you better come to South Carolina. 340 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:29,480 Speaker 1: And I'm like, this is not helpful. This is someone 341 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if that she doesn't understand 342 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 1: the stakes or that she just does and it's doing 343 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:36,280 Speaker 1: this best for Nicki Haley. It might be a combination 344 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 1: of both. What do you What did you see in 345 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 1: that comment? 346 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:43,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was very odd because it makes you wonder 347 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:46,679 Speaker 2: who she talking to. Most there was there was a 348 00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:49,440 Speaker 2: Harvard Harris poll I think at The New York Times 349 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 2: mentioned it in a recent article about this showdown with Disney, 350 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 2: and this poll found that most Americans, when asked basically 351 00:17:57,440 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 2: questions that framed the conflict between Sandis and Disney as 352 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:04,920 Speaker 2: basically a contest over who rules right, which I think, 353 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 2: by the way, that's that's the correct thing. I Actually 354 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:11,160 Speaker 2: you'll notice I don't really use the word woke, because 355 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:14,600 Speaker 2: I think there's obviously truth to that. But ultimately this 356 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:17,560 Speaker 2: is a question of who rules, who makes like who 357 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:21,399 Speaker 2: makes the laws around here? Is it us or is 358 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:24,679 Speaker 2: it unaccountable corporations right that we have to shower with 359 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:27,600 Speaker 2: privileges and things like that. And so when asked that question, 360 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:31,119 Speaker 2: framing the question that way, most Americans and obviously the 361 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:34,320 Speaker 2: vast majority of Republicans think the Santis is onto something 362 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:39,120 Speaker 2: here that actually, corporations should face accountability. The corporations shouldn't 363 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:42,159 Speaker 2: be able to do whatever they want, and that you know, 364 00:18:42,359 --> 00:18:44,680 Speaker 2: when they kind of get ahead of themselves, they should 365 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:47,840 Speaker 2: there should be consequences. Their privileges should be revoked. Otherwise, 366 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:50,280 Speaker 2: you're saying that we live in a country where the 367 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:53,439 Speaker 2: most powerful entities, not even in the United States but 368 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:56,080 Speaker 2: in the world are just beyond any kind of accountability. 369 00:18:56,119 --> 00:18:58,160 Speaker 2: They can make whatever threats they want. If they don't 370 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:01,679 Speaker 2: like a law that's you know, popular, like the Prinsal 371 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:05,639 Speaker 2: Rights Education Act, they're allowed to retaliate, basically, to to 372 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:08,639 Speaker 2: do everything they can to overturn the will of the 373 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:12,560 Speaker 2: people that vote for it, And so you have to 374 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:15,760 Speaker 2: really ask yourself, who's Nicki Haley talking to? Like the 375 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:18,479 Speaker 2: only people that that message I think really resonates with 376 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 2: apart from Disney, which I mean, maybe that's who she's 377 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:25,520 Speaker 2: talking to, right she wants the the the the donations 378 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 2: from Walt Disney or something. 379 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:26,959 Speaker 1: I don't know. 380 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:29,159 Speaker 2: But the only part of the electorate that I think 381 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:31,800 Speaker 2: that that resonates with is like, I don't know, the 382 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:34,560 Speaker 2: most progressive wing in the Democratic Party and like the 383 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:37,679 Speaker 2: libertarians at like Reason magazine or something. I have no 384 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:40,360 Speaker 2: idea who she's talking to when she says I think 385 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:42,679 Speaker 2: this fight is dumb and Disney's welcome to move to 386 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:46,560 Speaker 2: my state. It just it's so out of touch it's incredible. 387 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:50,520 Speaker 2: But I think that's why, you know, Nicki Haley is 388 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:52,400 Speaker 2: not really seen as like an actual contender. 389 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:55,480 Speaker 1: What about you? Do you think you mentioned this? I'm 390 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 1: just curious. I feel like a lot of us in 391 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 1: politics on the ride have it point or another, maybe 392 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:04,160 Speaker 1: maybe dabbled in a little bit of libertarianism here or there, 393 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:09,120 Speaker 1: you know, because it's somewhat seductive too, because you're inherently 394 00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 1: setting yourself up as almost beyond or above the situation. 395 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 1: Like oh, like, well, just I'll stand back from this. 396 00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:16,439 Speaker 1: There's no role in this. Let's just see what happens 397 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:20,720 Speaker 1: and let the let the chips fall where they may. Increasingly, 398 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 1: not just in the last few years, that's in the 399 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:26,399 Speaker 1: last ten years. It just seems like libertarians have gotten 400 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:28,200 Speaker 1: annoying and useless. Am I missing something? 401 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:31,440 Speaker 2: Well? The reason I said a reason libertarians is because 402 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:34,480 Speaker 2: I actually think they're very smart and good libertarians at 403 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 2: the Meases Institute. Basically that the I think the Meases 404 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:42,280 Speaker 2: people are like the good libertarians, and they understand that 405 00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:46,639 Speaker 2: in situations like this in Disney's no longer really acting 406 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 2: like just you know, a mere private business. It's basically 407 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 2: acting as a political entity. 408 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:54,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, that's right. 409 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:58,000 Speaker 2: So the reason I think there's basically a wing of 410 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 2: libertarianism that's probably unfortunately identified as kind of the mainstream. 411 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:07,880 Speaker 1: Yes, they're the loudest, They're the loudest and most annoying libertarians. 412 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:11,199 Speaker 2: For obvious reasons. It's very good to have people like 413 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 2: that around, right, Like, these people are well funded, you know, 414 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:18,359 Speaker 2: they're supported by people like the Koch brothers and stuff. 415 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:22,240 Speaker 2: For obvious reasons, like they're they're basically spokes people for 416 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 2: big business. There's spokespeople for big business who can basically 417 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:30,000 Speaker 2: kind of launder these talking points into the conservative movement. 418 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:33,640 Speaker 2: I think Steve Hilton, the Box News guy, if I'm 419 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:36,240 Speaker 2: I never watched a show, I just saw a clip 420 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:38,199 Speaker 2: where you basically said something to the same effect that 421 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:40,959 Speaker 2: this whole fight over Disney is just pointless. It's it's 422 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 2: like this trivial culture war contest, and you have to wonder, 423 00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:47,200 Speaker 2: it's like, is that libertarianism or what is that? I 424 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:49,479 Speaker 2: don't know what that is. But if you actually think 425 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:50,920 Speaker 2: go ahead, no. 426 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:53,240 Speaker 1: No, I'm sorry, I go go you if you actually 427 00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:55,240 Speaker 1: think because I just go ahead. 428 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:58,080 Speaker 2: If you actually think that this is like some silly 429 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:01,160 Speaker 2: lais a fair thing, you know, like let like let 430 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:05,239 Speaker 2: like let Disney be. What you're saying again is that 431 00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 2: corporations should not face any kind of accountability for declaring 432 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:15,440 Speaker 2: themselves essentially politically sovereign, which again I don't know, I 433 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:17,399 Speaker 2: don't know if I would talk that the libertarianism or what. 434 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:20,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, well, I also there's also that that strain 435 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:22,679 Speaker 1: of we'll say, a strain of libertarian and I have 436 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 1: some friends for libertarians, so I'm just you know, I'm 437 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:27,080 Speaker 1: poking them a little bit. But there's certainly a strain 438 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:30,600 Speaker 1: of libertarianism as well that that increasingly, I think, as 439 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 1: we see what's happening at the southern border, the notion 440 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:34,840 Speaker 1: that open borders are fine, no big deal, makes us 441 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:37,439 Speaker 1: all wealthier and better off as a country. This is 442 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:41,520 Speaker 1: this is civilization destroying. I mean, this is an insane belief, 443 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 1: but it's great for the donor class that funds some 444 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:47,919 Speaker 1: of these individuals and some of these think tanks, et cetera, 445 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:50,880 Speaker 1: to make them think that, oh yeah, the more people 446 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:53,440 Speaker 1: that are here just means, you know, bigger GDP. It's like, well, 447 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:56,560 Speaker 1: what are the costs of the individuals financially and also 448 00:22:57,080 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 1: to the culture and the society if people just show 449 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:02,120 Speaker 1: up illegal but we're talking about el never mind even 450 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:03,520 Speaker 1: legal illegal immigration. 451 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:08,760 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, no, you're you're talking about civilizational costs, right, 452 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:14,840 Speaker 2: You're you're talking about changing changing the culture. And it's 453 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:16,919 Speaker 2: it's worth noting by going back to the Mesa's thing. 454 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 2: Murray Rothbard wrote a very good essay called Nations by Consent, 455 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:23,560 Speaker 2: and in that piece he actually argues that and others 456 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:26,639 Speaker 2: have argued this that basically private property and open borders 457 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:30,439 Speaker 2: incompatible for the reasons you just outlined, Like it's completely 458 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:32,760 Speaker 2: incoherent to believe in the idea of private property but 459 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:35,680 Speaker 2: then essentially throw open the gates of your country and 460 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:39,240 Speaker 2: offer to subsidize well with other people's money. 461 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:40,840 Speaker 1: Can we just go say, can we a little further 462 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:42,920 Speaker 1: this by the way, because that I'm sure I got 463 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:45,639 Speaker 1: to read this, this piece you just mentioned by you 464 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:49,360 Speaker 1: said Murray Rothbard, I like to take notations like please, yeah, 465 00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:51,639 Speaker 1: please please, I was gonna say, texting me, but I 466 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:54,639 Speaker 1: don't remember. We're running this experiment right now with New 467 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 1: York City, which I think has been they're not spending 468 00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,680 Speaker 1: nearly enough time on this. And I know people say, 469 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:03,600 Speaker 1: well that it's just a city, but the Democrat mayor 470 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 1: of New York City, okay, Eric Adams, is pleading for 471 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:14,479 Speaker 1: billions of dollars from the federal government to deal with 472 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:20,600 Speaker 1: forty thousand illegal migrants in his city. And there's a 473 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:23,520 Speaker 1: ten year back log on their court cases, so they're 474 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:26,159 Speaker 1: guaranteed to be here for at least about a decade 475 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:28,199 Speaker 1: before they even have to show up to court. They 476 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:30,200 Speaker 1: won't even show up to court, they won't enforce the 477 00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:32,360 Speaker 1: law about them not. So this is the whole thing 478 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:34,639 Speaker 1: has become a scam, right. But just in terms of 479 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:36,440 Speaker 1: the costs, we're always told, oh, they do the jobs 480 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:38,280 Speaker 1: Americans won't do. Remember that line, You hear that all 481 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:41,200 Speaker 1: the less. Now, No, when a woman comes here who 482 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:44,280 Speaker 1: speaks no English, has no skills, has no education, with 483 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 1: two or three children with her at the southern border, 484 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 1: this is a welfare state, now, like, that's what we're 485 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:53,800 Speaker 1: actually dealing with. That's what we're seeing. And we don't 486 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:55,919 Speaker 1: actually have an endless checkbook, which I think people might 487 00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:58,000 Speaker 1: find out the very very hard way with the economy 488 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:00,200 Speaker 1: in the next six to twelve months or so. Anyway, 489 00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:05,560 Speaker 1: let's come back and get into the Tucker Carlson situation here. 490 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:07,560 Speaker 1: But you know, the first off, I was just speaking 491 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:09,199 Speaker 1: about it the economy. I really do think it's going 492 00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 1: to get very ugly out there. Friends. They're holding it 493 00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:14,200 Speaker 1: together with you know, scotch tape and bubblegum right now. 494 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:17,720 Speaker 1: But we saw the bank failure recently, bank failures that 495 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:20,919 Speaker 1: required a government to step in, billions and billions of 496 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 1: dollars just seeming to evaporate overnight. Well, what can you 497 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:27,200 Speaker 1: do gold and silver? Buy gold and silver now as 498 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:30,200 Speaker 1: a protection for your portfolio. Now is the time to 499 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:32,240 Speaker 1: call the Oxford Gold Group. Just hear what they have 500 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:34,840 Speaker 1: to say. The phone call is free. Securing your irray 501 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:36,639 Speaker 1: or four to one K with real gold and silver 502 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:40,200 Speaker 1: is a portfolio protection plan and Oxford Gold has made 503 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,000 Speaker 1: it easy for you. All you have to do is 504 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,760 Speaker 1: call the Oxford Gold Group today, get precious metals like 505 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:47,840 Speaker 1: I have already been doing for years. Plus you can 506 00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:50,639 Speaker 1: ask about additional free bonus opportunities you could be eligible for. 507 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:54,640 Speaker 1: Call eight three three four zero four Gold eight three 508 00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:58,719 Speaker 1: three four zero four g O l D. All right, 509 00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:02,840 Speaker 1: Pedro Tucker's out. I mean I wrote this publicly, so 510 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:06,080 Speaker 1: this is not a surprise. I mean, Tucker has had 511 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:07,440 Speaker 1: me in a show many times. He's had you in 512 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:11,199 Speaker 1: a show many times. We both are clearly professionally very 513 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:13,959 Speaker 1: supportive of him. I mean I can speak personally. I 514 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:15,919 Speaker 1: like him a lot as an individual. He told me 515 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:17,639 Speaker 1: to marry my wife, which was funny because I was 516 00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:20,840 Speaker 1: already about to propose. But anyway, so I'm very I'm 517 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:24,560 Speaker 1: about as pro Tucker as as anyone else you'll find 518 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:26,840 Speaker 1: in the media. What do you think happened here? 519 00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:32,600 Speaker 2: I have no idea. I have no idea. All I 520 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:36,879 Speaker 2: know is that the discrimination suit brought by Abby whatever 521 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:40,160 Speaker 2: her name is, who I think. 522 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:41,840 Speaker 1: I think it's Abby Gross posts. 523 00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:45,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, basically where she claims that she was bullied, and 524 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:48,119 Speaker 2: so that what I do know for certain is that 525 00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:51,240 Speaker 2: that's not why Tucker's gone. It seems like that's a 526 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:55,359 Speaker 2: kind of useful pretext for Fox News. But I'm open 527 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:57,720 Speaker 2: to every theory except for that one, because that's just 528 00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:01,440 Speaker 2: seems like the lamest. There's also a lot of there's 529 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,000 Speaker 2: also a lot of talk about her claims being unfounded, 530 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:06,720 Speaker 2: and there are other people who have worked with her 531 00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:08,639 Speaker 2: who are saying that she's kind of a terrible person 532 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:10,920 Speaker 2: and she has a habit of like making stuff up. 533 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:15,520 Speaker 2: So that just seems like the least plausible explanation for 534 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:19,399 Speaker 2: why Fox cut ties with Tucker. I think it's more 535 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:22,919 Speaker 2: more likely has to do with the fact that Tucker 536 00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:27,879 Speaker 2: on a nightly basis challenged and mocked the most powerful 537 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:31,800 Speaker 2: people in the world. I think that that's probably why 538 00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:35,840 Speaker 2: at the end of the day, you know, there's an 539 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,280 Speaker 2: interesting kind of footnote here where there was a story 540 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:40,560 Speaker 2: in vanity fair. I think about how Rupert Murdoch was 541 00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:44,800 Speaker 2: really put off by the kind of theological themes that 542 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:48,320 Speaker 2: Tucker would introduce into his speaking on and off the network, 543 00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:53,000 Speaker 2: basically framing our political problems as actually spiritual ones and 544 00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:58,920 Speaker 2: kind of highlighting the theological nature underlying political underlying the political. 545 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:02,280 Speaker 2: I think that's interesting, seem because according to this piece, 546 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:08,639 Speaker 2: uh want uh, Murdoch's ex fiance was like convinced that 547 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:11,480 Speaker 2: Tucker was sort of like a prophet, and it like 548 00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:15,360 Speaker 2: really put Murdoch off. It's such an interesting and bizarre footnote. 549 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:18,679 Speaker 2: But I think, you know, coming back to what's probably 550 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,560 Speaker 2: more uh more more closer to the truth is is 551 00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:26,840 Speaker 2: exactly that I mean, Tucker was bashing the Pentagon, bashing Zelensky, 552 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:30,320 Speaker 2: going against the most powerful corporate entities in the world, 553 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:34,439 Speaker 2: and it wasn't necessarily a surprise, uh when after the 554 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:38,400 Speaker 2: Tucker was deplatformed, you had these faceless Pentagon officials who 555 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,920 Speaker 2: were running to the press celebrating about it, celebrating that 556 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:46,240 Speaker 2: their most formidable civilian critic had been taken off air. 557 00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:48,600 Speaker 2: And so I think that's much closer to the truth. 558 00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:50,840 Speaker 2: I mean, obviously there's the January sixth stuff. There's there's 559 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:54,680 Speaker 2: talk that basically Murdoch was deeply uncomfortable with with Tucker's 560 00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:56,840 Speaker 2: reporting on the January sixth stuff, with the tapes that 561 00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:58,840 Speaker 2: he aired on the show. So I think that's that's 562 00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:02,680 Speaker 2: really it is that Pucker was he was flying very 563 00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:06,080 Speaker 2: close to the sun, and Fox News got weaknees and 564 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:08,640 Speaker 2: was looking for an excuse to get him off the show. 565 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:15,280 Speaker 1: You know, on that point about the military speaking out 566 00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:19,400 Speaker 1: of this. Isn't it a fascinating to see how the 567 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:21,920 Speaker 1: left there are these I don't know if you call 568 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:26,080 Speaker 1: them like hangover theories or ideas or something, but you know, 569 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:27,840 Speaker 1: let me, let me give you a couple of examples. Right, 570 00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:33,040 Speaker 1: Wall Street is Republican. No person who has any understanding 571 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,800 Speaker 1: of who controls Wall Street and where the money goes 572 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:39,480 Speaker 1: and where the donations and politics go says Wall Street 573 00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:43,240 Speaker 1: is Republican. Right, I mean, that's that's preposterous. But but 574 00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:45,680 Speaker 1: there's still this belief or even the Republican Party is 575 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:48,920 Speaker 1: the party of the rich. Over look at all of 576 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:52,760 Speaker 1: the richest basically all the richest zip codes in the 577 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:56,160 Speaker 1: United States, ninety percent of them are as blue as 578 00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:59,680 Speaker 1: it gets right, the concentrations of wealth and Democrat voting 579 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:03,240 Speaker 1: a lead are very very obvious. But another one is 580 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:06,200 Speaker 1: that is that it's the Democrats who will question the 581 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:10,920 Speaker 1: military industrial complex, I think increasingly. And I come from 582 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,680 Speaker 1: the intelligence you know, apparatus, right, So I've seen some 583 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,040 Speaker 1: of this myself, and I saw some of this happening 584 00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:18,200 Speaker 1: even overer the Obama administration. I was there mostly for 585 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:19,840 Speaker 1: the Bush years, but I was around a little bit 586 00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:23,560 Speaker 1: in the CIA for the Obama years, and it seems 587 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:28,480 Speaker 1: increasingly to me the Democrats view the national security state 588 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:33,600 Speaker 1: as an ally of their politics domestically and internationally. 589 00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:37,720 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I think this is kind of an inherent 590 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:40,920 Speaker 2: difficulty with being a conservative in the sense that a 591 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:44,680 Speaker 2: conservative identifies with institutions like the military and the national 592 00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:45,560 Speaker 2: security apparatus. 593 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:45,760 Speaker 1: Right. 594 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:49,960 Speaker 2: But we're in this bizarre situation where democrats and progressives 595 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:53,000 Speaker 2: are actually in the shoes of a conservative in the 596 00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:56,240 Speaker 2: sense that they're conserving a status quo that benefits them 597 00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:59,479 Speaker 2: and no longer benefits the people who actually identify as 598 00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,040 Speaker 2: conservative and are only conservatives in the sense that they're 599 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:05,480 Speaker 2: social and cultural conservatives. It's a really interesting position again, 600 00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:11,120 Speaker 2: because the leftists, the progressives, the Democrats, they're actually, in 601 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:15,320 Speaker 2: a sense, the conservatives, because the institutions now serve them 602 00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:20,160 Speaker 2: and their political interests. And Tucker was someone who, I think, 603 00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:23,600 Speaker 2: in his own way, opened the eyes of his audience 604 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,720 Speaker 2: to see that the institutions that you grew up respecting 605 00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:28,520 Speaker 2: and thinking are on your side, or they're not on 606 00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:31,200 Speaker 2: your side. Your greatest enemies are now domestic. They're not 607 00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:36,440 Speaker 2: just domestic, they're at the Pentagon. And you know, I 608 00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:39,400 Speaker 2: was asked by someone, what do you think his deplatforming 609 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:42,080 Speaker 2: means for the right, And I said the right. Tucker 610 00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,520 Speaker 2: was not. He wasn't a voice just for the right. 611 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:49,160 Speaker 2: He was the most articulate and formidable critic of the 612 00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:52,360 Speaker 2: establishment for everyone who's dissatisfied with it. And that's why 613 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:57,040 Speaker 2: he managed to capture this particular demographic of basically moderate 614 00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:01,080 Speaker 2: Democrats aged twenty five to forty five. Tucker would capture 615 00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:04,960 Speaker 2: a bigger portion of that viewership than shows on CNN 616 00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:08,600 Speaker 2: and MSNBC. Why because he was speaking to things that 617 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,440 Speaker 2: across the aisle. You don't have to be a Republican 618 00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:13,880 Speaker 2: to see the problem with a Pentagon that just wages 619 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:17,400 Speaker 2: illegal wars right and just decides that we're going to 620 00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:19,280 Speaker 2: do this and that around the world. You don't have 621 00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:22,000 Speaker 2: to be a Republican or a Democrat to see the 622 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:25,520 Speaker 2: problem with entities like Blackrock buying up homes and driving 623 00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:28,200 Speaker 2: at the cost of living for people. And I think 624 00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:32,640 Speaker 2: that's really important to highlight that we're not talking about 625 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:35,680 Speaker 2: a right wing pundit here. You're talking about someone who 626 00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:38,120 Speaker 2: spoke for everyone who is dissatisfied with the status quo. 627 00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:40,720 Speaker 1: Come back here in a second and talk a little 628 00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:44,600 Speaker 1: bit more about some of the fights that we are 629 00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:46,760 Speaker 1: waging here on the right, including me, Pedro. I want 630 00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:52,440 Speaker 1: to ask you what is it about the transgender agenda 631 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:56,480 Speaker 1: right now that Democrats, it seems, are in some ways 632 00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:59,600 Speaker 1: more willing to push on this than almost anything else, 633 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:02,000 Speaker 1: no matter, no matter what the pushback is, no matter 634 00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:03,479 Speaker 1: you know, we saw that. We'll talk about bud Light 635 00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:05,960 Speaker 1: in a second, but there's something going on here we 636 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,320 Speaker 1: want to discuss it. But at first I want to 637 00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:11,320 Speaker 1: tell everybody, if you want the best, cleanest, most comfortable, 638 00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:14,880 Speaker 1: closest shave you can possibly get, I've got a razor 639 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:18,000 Speaker 1: blade company. You need to know about one blade, because 640 00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:20,520 Speaker 1: first off, the big razor blade companies have been lying 641 00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:22,360 Speaker 1: to you remember, they've actually made fun of this on 642 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:25,920 Speaker 1: SNL before. Three blades, four blades, eight blades. It's ridiculous 643 00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:27,800 Speaker 1: because the blades are cheap there, not very good and 644 00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:32,240 Speaker 1: not well made. One blade is super high quality, and 645 00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:34,800 Speaker 1: that's why you only need one because it gets the 646 00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:37,040 Speaker 1: job done. It means also less wear and tear on 647 00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:41,479 Speaker 1: your skin, and it's an award winning design. So single 648 00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,000 Speaker 1: edge shaving is natural and effortless. That's what you should 649 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,760 Speaker 1: be doing. That's what you get with one blade. One 650 00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:48,920 Speaker 1: blade's handled, by the way, it's metal, it's not plastic, 651 00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:52,600 Speaker 1: so it's weighty, it's substantial. It's something that look good, 652 00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:55,440 Speaker 1: will look good on your sink or you know, next 653 00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:58,440 Speaker 1: to it. All orders have a sixty day return policy, 654 00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:00,400 Speaker 1: whether you use all your blades or none of your blades. 655 00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:02,920 Speaker 1: To elevate your shave experience and get twenty percent off 656 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:07,040 Speaker 1: of your one blade order, go to one bladeshave dot 657 00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:11,840 Speaker 1: com slash buck that's one spelled out, Oh any one 658 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:15,160 Speaker 1: bladeshave dot com slash buck for twenty percent off your 659 00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:18,240 Speaker 1: first order. Okay, pagro, Let me give you an example 660 00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:22,600 Speaker 1: of this, and I give full credit to my friend 661 00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:24,920 Speaker 1: Jesse Kelly you know, Jesse, Right, you've been on Jesse Show, 662 00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,920 Speaker 1: Jesse's grade. Jesse has been pointing this out because I've 663 00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:31,040 Speaker 1: been focused on up to this point. They're lying about 664 00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:34,480 Speaker 1: the book ban right, It's not a ban it's it's 665 00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:36,520 Speaker 1: what is the list? What is the curated list that 666 00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:38,920 Speaker 1: your kids in the third grade, in the eighth grade whenever, 667 00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,279 Speaker 1: should be reading. It's not the same thing as banning, right, 668 00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:43,880 Speaker 1: Telling me saying that you're not going to show and 669 00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:47,880 Speaker 1: you know, a rated R or rated X movie to 670 00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:51,719 Speaker 1: kids in school isn't banning that. It's just choosing not 671 00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,120 Speaker 1: to show it. So that's been part of the focus here, right, 672 00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:57,799 Speaker 1: But there's actually something else going on, which is why 673 00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,440 Speaker 1: is it that the left, the machinery of left, the 674 00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:02,600 Speaker 1: Democrat Party from the White House on down, by the 675 00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:05,560 Speaker 1: way they push this stuff. It's so interested in making 676 00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:10,839 Speaker 1: sure that third graders see really explicit and really deeply inappropriate, 677 00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:15,839 Speaker 1: highly sexual material in books and in a lessons in school. Like, 678 00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:16,640 Speaker 1: what's pushing that? 679 00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:21,719 Speaker 2: I think it's it's an idiot. There's an ideological element 680 00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:23,480 Speaker 2: to it in the sense of like this this kind 681 00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:28,440 Speaker 2: of permanent revolution, right, it can't stop. You can't just 682 00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:33,160 Speaker 2: draw an arbitrary line in the sand. When you're aligned 683 00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:37,680 Speaker 2: with the modern left, there's always a kind of crusade, 684 00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:40,800 Speaker 2: the next thing, the next injustice, and if there's no injustice, 685 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:42,839 Speaker 2: then you have to invent one, and so you have 686 00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:46,760 Speaker 2: to continue creating these these categories of oppression. And transgenderism 687 00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:50,600 Speaker 2: just seems to be the latest group that's been identified 688 00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:54,520 Speaker 2: as an oppressed group. And so we've taken a tiny 689 00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:59,040 Speaker 2: you know, basically, until recently this was considered it's basically 690 00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:01,840 Speaker 2: like a psychiatric thing, you know, like maybe there's a 691 00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:04,880 Speaker 2: tiny part of the population where there's you know, there's 692 00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:11,080 Speaker 2: probably something where they could benefit from from the application 693 00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:14,080 Speaker 2: of hormones or whatever. But you're talking about it a 694 00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:17,359 Speaker 2: vanishingly small part of the population, right, a kind of 695 00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:20,759 Speaker 2: like medical oddity. And now it's become something that's not 696 00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:26,880 Speaker 2: only no longer that, but like a mainstream category of 697 00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:30,719 Speaker 2: identity with a powerful lobby behind it that, like you said, 698 00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:32,839 Speaker 2: stretches all the way up to the White House and 699 00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:35,720 Speaker 2: some of the most powerful pharmaceutical companies in the country. 700 00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:40,759 Speaker 2: And so I think it's basically this confluence of ideology. 701 00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,480 Speaker 2: On the one hand, this concept of the permanent revolution 702 00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:48,000 Speaker 2: you can't stop on this the crusade of social justice, 703 00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:51,920 Speaker 2: like you have to continue finding injustices, right. So it's 704 00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:55,120 Speaker 2: a combination of that plus the fact that there is 705 00:36:55,160 --> 00:37:01,840 Speaker 2: this powerful industry behind it. The Biden administration a while 706 00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:06,080 Speaker 2: back cited a nonprofit. I don't recall the name of it, 707 00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:07,719 Speaker 2: but I've written about it. There was also a story 708 00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:12,120 Speaker 2: in The Free Beacon. But it's a nonprofit that advocates 709 00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:18,520 Speaker 2: for basically normalizing transgenderism. And the Biden administration cited a 710 00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:22,560 Speaker 2: paper that was produced by this nonprofit arguing that these 711 00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:28,600 Speaker 2: surgeries and interventions are necessary for basically children, for young people. Well, 712 00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:33,520 Speaker 2: that nonprofit had received money from Abvi Pharmaceuticals, one of 713 00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:37,880 Speaker 2: the corporations that produces the drugs. They are used in 714 00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:42,920 Speaker 2: the sequence of suppressing hormones before you apply cross excuse me, 715 00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:46,080 Speaker 2: suppressing puberty before the application of cross sex hormones, and 716 00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:51,640 Speaker 2: then ultimately these irreversible surgical interventions. So you have a 717 00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:54,920 Speaker 2: pharmaceutical company that sells the drugs that people take for 718 00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:59,360 Speaker 2: this stuff, funding a nonprofit that then produces research that 719 00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:03,600 Speaker 2: the White House sites to justify changing the laws. And 720 00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:09,560 Speaker 2: it's the worst possible combination of ideology and interest the 721 00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:10,640 Speaker 2: financial aspect of. 722 00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:14,840 Speaker 1: It, Pedro before we close this episode, and we'll have 723 00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:16,120 Speaker 1: you back again soon. It's gonna be a lot to 724 00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:20,160 Speaker 1: talk about in this election cycle, for sure. If you 725 00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:23,120 Speaker 1: have to pick something that makes you feel optimistic, right, 726 00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:24,839 Speaker 1: it's been We've been a little We've been a little 727 00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:26,520 Speaker 1: bit of a bummer here. We've been talking about some 728 00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:32,440 Speaker 1: rough stuff, everything from you know, uh, the primary mud slinging, 729 00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:36,120 Speaker 1: to what's going on with the Disney fight to you know, 730 00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:38,520 Speaker 1: Tucker being off the air. Okay, fine, what makes you hope? 731 00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:39,640 Speaker 1: What makes you optimistic? 732 00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:43,439 Speaker 2: Honestly, going back to what we opened with the fact 733 00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:46,200 Speaker 2: that I you know, the fact that a lot of 734 00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:50,640 Speaker 2: this stuff doesn't necessarily have to affect how we interact 735 00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:53,080 Speaker 2: with this This sounds kind of warm and fuzzy, but 736 00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:55,160 Speaker 2: it doesn't have to interact the way that we the 737 00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:57,759 Speaker 2: way that we interact with the people we actually know, 738 00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:02,080 Speaker 2: I mean, like our for me, apart from meeting these 739 00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:04,719 Speaker 2: people when I go to like summits and conferences and 740 00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:07,720 Speaker 2: just having these these nice conversations where you might disagree 741 00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,319 Speaker 2: on who's the best Republican for twenty twenty four, there's 742 00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:13,560 Speaker 2: still a kind of camaraderie and that for me, that's 743 00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:19,040 Speaker 2: really encouraging. And then obviously I don't know if this 744 00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:21,640 Speaker 2: is exactly where you want me to take this, but 745 00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:24,879 Speaker 2: I think it's really important to just remain grounded right now, 746 00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:26,719 Speaker 2: like I've been trying to spend more time with my 747 00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:30,839 Speaker 2: wife and kids, because there are bigger things than the 748 00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:34,080 Speaker 2: political and ultimately all a lot of the problems that 749 00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:37,720 Speaker 2: we're discussing, they can't be fixed with quick political solutions, 750 00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:41,040 Speaker 2: and instead it has to start with ourselves and our communities, 751 00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:42,680 Speaker 2: our friendships, and ultimately our families. 752 00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:44,920 Speaker 1: So oh, I know, I think that's exactly where I 753 00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:47,359 Speaker 1: was hoping you'd go, because that is the truth. I mean, 754 00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:50,759 Speaker 1: no matter who wins the next election or whatever, it 755 00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:53,600 Speaker 1: is really all just our day to day that we live, 756 00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:56,520 Speaker 1: and to find meaning in it purpose and to make 757 00:39:56,600 --> 00:40:01,560 Speaker 1: it as worthwhile as possible is I think the first 758 00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:04,960 Speaker 1: order of business, even more so than mobilizing to the 759 00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:07,560 Speaker 1: polls or taking the fight to the commis or whatever 760 00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:09,799 Speaker 1: it is we have to do. So well, said mister Pedro. 761 00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:11,319 Speaker 1: Where should people go to follow your work? 762 00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:15,960 Speaker 2: Read your latest You can follow me at Contra dot 763 00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:19,000 Speaker 2: substack dot com. I've got my socials there. I've got 764 00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:22,680 Speaker 2: a column at Chroniclesmagazine dot org. But again, if you 765 00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:24,759 Speaker 2: want to follow me on social media and keep up 766 00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:27,000 Speaker 2: with all the stuff that I do, including these kinds 767 00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:29,520 Speaker 2: of talks, you can go to my substack at Contra 768 00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:31,640 Speaker 2: dot substack dot com. 769 00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:33,239 Speaker 1: Pedro, thanks so much, appreciate it. 770 00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:33,759 Speaker 2: Thank you.