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Speaker 1: Harden to decipher Mac Jones's numbers over the last two games,
Speaker 1: because as the Patriots rookie has been really accurate nineteen
Speaker 1: to twenty three in the blowout win against the Browns,
Speaker 1: twenty two to twenty six, and a shutout over the
Speaker 1: Falcons last night. He threw for one ninety eight against
Speaker 1: Cleveland in two oh seven against Atlanta. But this is
Speaker 1: what Bill Belichick wants. He seems perfectly happy to have
Speaker 1: a conservative passing attack, really good running gang and a
Speaker 1: stout defense. And last night that d was the star
Speaker 1: shutting out Matt Ryan and the Falcons. Jones had one
Speaker 1: pick when he tried to push the ball downfield, tried
Speaker 1: to force it in there, and really that's the knock
Speaker 1: on him. The big knock was his arm strength coming
Speaker 1: out of Alabama. But the Patriots are going to need
Speaker 1: him to throw the ball deep more often later in
Speaker 1: the season. But they're winning. They're seven and four, and
Speaker 1: they're in a really good position for a playoff spot
Speaker 1: and if they get there. We've seen Bill Belichick with
Speaker 1: this style win a Super Bowl. But if that's the
Speaker 1: first time you watch Mac Jones, you probably went, what's
Speaker 1: the big deal here? Not much going on, But this
Speaker 1: is what Bill Belichick wants. Not much going on, move
Speaker 1: the chains, even his touchdown pass routine, simple blown coverage
Speaker 1: by the Falcons. But you're watching him and he's getting
Speaker 1: praised because he is taking care of the football. This
Speaker 1: used to be the role of a quarterback. A lot
Speaker 1: of quarterbacks back in the sixties and seventies, certainly in
Speaker 1: the seventies I've mentioned Bart Starr and Bob Greasy weren't
Speaker 1: prolific passers. They managed a game. They went into the
Speaker 1: Hall of fame because they managed games, and sometimes this
Speaker 1: is what you have. I maintain Alex Smith did that
Speaker 1: for most of his career, certainly in Kansas City. You maintain,
Speaker 1: you manage a game. And Mac Jones is doing that.
Speaker 1: Justin Fields has more talent. Okay, is he going to
Speaker 1: be better than Mac Jones? He's not in a better situation.
Speaker 1: And that's what a lot of this comes down to.
Speaker 1: If I put mac Jones and Jackson and Trevor Lawrence
Speaker 1: in New England, are we having a different conversation. Yeah.
Speaker 1: If I put Mac Jones with the Jets, Zack Wilson
Speaker 1: with the Patriots, are we having a different conversation, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we are. But a lot of this has to do
Speaker 1: with if you're successful early. It has to do with
Speaker 1: your situation. Dak Prescott went to the Cowboys. They went
Speaker 1: all in on their offense. I don't hear anybody saying,
Speaker 1: you know, if Dak played for Jacksonville exactly, we'd be Okay.
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes went in and he took over a playoff team.
Speaker 1: He's got a Hall of Fame coach, He's got probably
Speaker 1: a couple of Hall of Fame players there the skilled position,
Speaker 1: But nobody talks about that if Patrick Mahomes was in Jacksonville,
Speaker 1: we go and that guy pretty incredible athletic, crazy throws,
Speaker 1: they wouldn't be winning any more than what they aren't.
Speaker 1: Probably it's being in the right place, right time, right system.
Speaker 1: That's where you look at success. There are a lot
Speaker 1: of quarterbacks who had a lot of town, but they
Speaker 1: got buried because they went to bad situations. That's the
Speaker 1: reason why you got the opportunity to draft the quarterback
Speaker 1: because you were a bad team, bad franchise. Interchangeable coaches,
Speaker 1: offensive coordinators change, you don't invest in the offensive wine,
Speaker 1: you don't have weapons. I mean, look, Tom Brady goes
Speaker 1: to New England. He takes over a team that's a
Speaker 1: playoff team. He takes over for Drew Bledsoe wins his
Speaker 1: first Super Bowl, got the greatest coach of all time.
Speaker 1: Interchangeable parts. Two things stayed the same, quarterback and the coach.
Speaker 1: So so much of this is who do you have
Speaker 1: as your coach, what's the system, what's the offensive philosophy.
Speaker 1: I don't know. If Justin Fields is better than Mac Jones.
Speaker 1: If they did something novel like block for him, then
Speaker 1: maybe we'd be able to find that is mac Jones
Speaker 1: the best quarterback right now? Yes? But I said, if
Speaker 1: I said they were stocks, you're gonna buy a stock?
Speaker 1: Are you buying mac Jones, Trevor Lawrence, Ac Wilson, justin Fields,
Speaker 1: Trey Lance? Because those stock prices are probably going to
Speaker 1: be different. But are you going to invest in mac
Speaker 1: Jones and say he's going to be a great quarterback?
Speaker 1: Good quarterback, serviceable quarterback? Is Trevor Lawrence going to be
Speaker 1: a hall Is somebody going to be a Hall of
Speaker 1: Famer out of this group? Right? Trevor Lawrence is supposed
Speaker 1: to be a Hall of Famer. He's a generational quarterback.
Speaker 1: He's the next version of Andrew Luck. Here is Trey Lance.
Speaker 1: What if the Niners had taken mac Jones? Would mac
Speaker 1: Jones be even playing? What if the Saints had drafted
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes when they were looking to draft Patrick Mahomes
Speaker 1: and took Marshawn Moore, he would have been sitting behind
Speaker 1: Drew Brees for far longer than he did with Alex Smith.
Speaker 1: Maybe they move on a year early. So it's crazy
Speaker 1: when we look at this and go that quarterback, Well,
Speaker 1: there's a whole lot more than that quarterback Matt Jones
Speaker 1: didn't win the game last night, and he really shouldn't
Speaker 1: be a topic today. It should be The Falcons are terrible, embarrassing,
Speaker 1: and you start to wonder if I'm Matt Ryan Dow
Speaker 1: I want to continue to play. He's running for his
Speaker 1: life and he can't run. Patriots got a good philosophy here,
Speaker 1: but it's a philosophy we've seen. Run the football, make
Speaker 1: some good plays, throw the ball, play defense, try not
Speaker 1: to make mistakes. Wow, real shocker there, what the Patriots
Speaker 1: are trying to do? This is what they do. Now.
Speaker 1: You did have a couple of seasons where he had
Speaker 1: Brady and Randy Moss and Belichick smart enough to understand,
Speaker 1: let's take advantage of this, and they did. But his
Speaker 1: blueprint is run the ball, don't make mistake, run the ball,
Speaker 1: don't make mistakes, like good defense, and then get to
Speaker 1: the postseason. That's it. Yeah, Paul, I think what's most
Speaker 1: fascinating with that the Patriots is guys they let go
Speaker 1: and guys that come back, like Kyle van Noy might
Speaker 1: be going to the Pro Bowl this year. If you
Speaker 1: hadn't seen Kyle van Noy play in a couple of
Speaker 1: years since he went down to Miami. You think, oh,
Speaker 1: Kyle van Nois, he's a pro bowler. Yeah, you know
Speaker 1: that kid, Kyle Dugger. They took out of Lenora Rhyn.
Speaker 1: I think that's a Division two school. I thought they
Speaker 1: drafted Lenora Rhyn right when I saw it, and I go, oh, wait,
Speaker 1: they drafted somebody out of Lenora Rhyne and he's playing well. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then you know Montre Stevens all these running backs
Speaker 1: that they never pay and they just churn out. Yes,
Speaker 1: is it possible we are perpetually underrating mac Jones because
Speaker 1: he looks like a Doric. His name's Mac. He was
Speaker 1: a three star recruit that we said the same thing
Speaker 1: in Alabama. Oh, he's just taking advantage of all the
Speaker 1: situation around him, and now we're saying it in New England.
Speaker 1: Maybe he has this quality that is hard to appreciate
Speaker 1: what he's doing. Okay, but we've been down this road
Speaker 1: with AJ McCarron before. Yeah, and it didn't work out.
Speaker 1: Greg McElroy didn't do anything. No. I thought that dan
Speaker 1: Orlomsky made a great point about mac Jones when he
Speaker 1: joined us a couple of days ago. He said, look,
Speaker 1: this guy was against the number one defense in America
Speaker 1: every single practice. He's on the scout team, so these
Speaker 1: are real practices where Saban is probably saying, hey, let's go,
Speaker 1: let's shut down this offense. And mac Jones is there.
Speaker 1: How could you? There's no better way to prepare for
Speaker 1: going into the NFL if you're not going to be
Speaker 1: a two year starter, three year starter. You go against
Speaker 1: that Alabama defense every single day. You can't get away
Speaker 1: with things with them. And I think it really has
Speaker 1: helped the transition here that I don't think he looks
Speaker 1: at the game. Remember justin Fields his first game, and
Speaker 1: game is a little slower than what I thought, And
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, don't say that. Don't say that way
Speaker 1: too early. Mac Jones could probably say that and get
Speaker 1: away with it because he's going against that Alabama defense
Speaker 1: every single day. Now, was the throw a bad throw?
Speaker 1: Yeah it was. But that's where he'll know his limitations.
Speaker 1: He'll learn his limitations with Belichick. But last night there
Speaker 1: was nothing really to see there other than Atlanta is embarrassing.
Speaker 1: They are. I mean, now, there was part of me
Speaker 1: that when it got to twenty five to three, could
Speaker 1: somehow the Patriots make it twenty eight to three against Atlanta,
Speaker 1: like I was hoping for. Just give me something to
Speaker 1: look forward to. And then the exciting part was you
Speaker 1: had every quarterback who played in the game through an interception.
Speaker 1: I didn't know if it's happened before I asked mclovin.
Speaker 1: I said, you know, can you check with our buddy
Speaker 1: and see if you know we can find it? Four
Speaker 1: quarterbacks or stack guy mclub and four quarterbacks. So last
Speaker 1: night Mac Jones, Matt Ryan, Josh Rosen, and Phelipe A.
Speaker 1: Franks come on down, all through interceptions. You gotta love
Speaker 1: the consistency of the Falcons quarterback system. Yeah. So, but
Speaker 1: our buddy John Tuvey, did he come up with the
Speaker 1: information here? Yeah? And I think, okay, Paul, you have
Speaker 1: me with this. So there's four times since two thousand
Speaker 1: or four different players have thrown interceptions in the same game. Now,
Speaker 1: last night. In twenty seventeen, Carson Palmer Drew stan Sean
Speaker 1: Mannon and Farrell Cooper wide receiver through picks. In two
Speaker 1: thousand and eight, McNabb cob DeShawn Jackson a wide receivers
Speaker 1: group picks. But then in two thousand McNabb m Randal Cunningham,
Speaker 1: Troy Aikman all through pick so only once since two thousand,
Speaker 1: so it's a very rare. I was surprised, and there's
Speaker 1: will you stop? Good day? No, no, what are you doing?
Speaker 1: You'm just shocked by this stack? But no, when you
Speaker 1: give the stat you shut up. Kevin Cobbs in there?
Speaker 1: Can you blame me for being excited? Can you hear me?
Speaker 1: Mc clevin? Huh? Yeah, see what's going on here? What
Speaker 1: can you guys hear me? What do you mean? Oh? Okay,
Speaker 1: what's going on? Okay, okay, all right, you let's talk
Speaker 1: about buying stock in the quarterback? Though is you're also
Speaker 1: buying the location? So are you buying stock in mac Jones?
Speaker 1: Are you buying stock in the Patriots quarterback? It's all
Speaker 1: all thrown in there. That changes everything. Okay, are you
Speaker 1: okay if you're buying stock? But mclovin, Yeah, Moody's just
Speaker 1: downgraded Justin Fields because of his location. Although people pointing
Speaker 1: out Justin Fields went to a playoff team, Mac Jones didn't. Yes,
Speaker 1: you would just buying aren't you buying mac Jones stock?
Speaker 1: Too late? Now? Because it's mac Jones week. It's like
Speaker 1: everyone got it. If you would have gotten his stock
Speaker 1: in July, you'd be crushing. Yeah. Then who was going
Speaker 1: to buy his stock in July because people didn't think
Speaker 1: New England was going to be a playoff team. And
Speaker 1: Mac Jones, is he any good? Remember the killing I
Speaker 1: made on that Russell Wilson stock you Seattle when everyone
Speaker 1: else like Matt Flynn. Yeah, I bought a truck off
Speaker 1: that man in early on that yep, you know that Ipoh, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you went in all all in on Russell Wilson June
Speaker 1: the dud and I you know, I tried to short
Speaker 1: the kirkdi Cousins stock. I tried to do that. I
Speaker 1: gave it all back on my Mitch Drubisky stock after
Speaker 1: he went to the Pro Ball though. I gave it
Speaker 1: all back. You were bullish. I was bullish on Tim Couch.
Speaker 1: I lost a bundle on that stock. You know he
Speaker 1: was pretty good those first couple. Yeah, you're just on
Speaker 1: a bad team. It's it's it's the surroundings that you have.
Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson went to a decent Texans team. Now what
Speaker 1: he did last year was miraculous, miraculous, but you gotta
Speaker 1: go to a good team. If Jimmy Garoppolo plays for Chicago,
Speaker 1: are they any better? But I was gonna say Jacksonville,
Speaker 1: but I thought, let me go to Chicago. Like he's
Speaker 1: surrounded by weapons in San Francisco, good running game, offensive
Speaker 1: minded headca Like it helps that you go to those
Speaker 1: places because when you go to Detroit, you know, Jared
Speaker 1: Golf's in Detroit. Is it Jared or him? Is it
Speaker 1: Zach Wilson or the Jets. I'm always gonna opt for
Speaker 1: it's the team's fault. You know, can Jared Golf play? Yes,
Speaker 1: but he was playing on a team that had weapons
Speaker 1: and an offensive minded head coach, coach, and they got
Speaker 1: to the super Bowl. But you know, is he gonna
Speaker 1: do anything in Detroit? No, he's not. Probably won't be
Speaker 1: a starter after this season. So a long winded way
Speaker 1: of saying Mac Jones didn't do anything last night, But
Speaker 1: this was more about the Falcons being bad in the
Speaker 1: Patriots Patriot is dangerous. I guess that's the best word
Speaker 1: I can use for him right now. All right, we'll
Speaker 1: come up with a poll question. Got a play of
Speaker 1: the day, a couple more stats of the day, but
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Speaker 1: State is on the verge of paying their head coach,
Speaker 1: who has coached twenty nine games. He's sixteen to thirteen
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Speaker 1: Terms do apply. Told you. I'd have some information here
Speaker 1: from a source that I've been in contact with this morning.
Speaker 1: Twelve team playoff is a go, but they want to
Speaker 1: get it done for next season. If it's not approved
Speaker 1: in December, the playoff won't be a goal with twelve
Speaker 1: teams until twenty twenty five. We're going to know in
Speaker 1: the next couple of weeks if we're going to be
Speaker 1: expanding to twelve team playoff for next season, and if
Speaker 1: they don't get it passed, then it's going to be
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five. I don't have any reasons yet from
Speaker 1: my source, but they did table this. It was supposed
Speaker 1: to be done. I was told last month they moved
Speaker 1: it to December. Now you have this vote, and if
Speaker 1: it doesn't pass, then we're looking at twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1: Make way for Brady Quinn, Fox Sports College and NFL
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Speaker 1: precedes hours on Fox Sports Radio. Let me start with that. Brady,
Speaker 1: what do you make of that vote coming up in
Speaker 1: December and the likelihood that we might not have a
Speaker 1: twelve team playoff until twenty twenty five. I'm keeping my
Speaker 1: fingers crossed and praying to the college football gods that
Speaker 1: we do expand. I think the college football playoff has
Speaker 1: had a ton of momentum, and we've gotten to a
Speaker 1: point now where we've seen there's flaws in the process
Speaker 1: of the thirteen person committee picking the four teams to
Speaker 1: playoff for it. There's just it's an unleveled comparison between
Speaker 1: conferences between schedules and those and the likes. So I
Speaker 1: think we've gotten to a point now where expansion brings
Speaker 1: intrigue back to college football in the playoff again. It
Speaker 1: allows brands like Cincinnati, who I don't know if they'll
Speaker 1: end up making in the top four this year or not.
Speaker 1: We can have a debate all we want about whether
Speaker 1: or not they're deserving, but it allows them then the
Speaker 1: chance to actually make it a playoff and let's see
Speaker 1: what they can do, and let's see if they can
Speaker 1: make a run. But I think greater than that, Dan,
Speaker 1: it really allows more parody in college football right now.
Speaker 1: What you're seeing when you see a five star, four
Speaker 1: star recruit and you listen to these commitments, a lot
Speaker 1: of times they're saying, I want to go to Alabama
Speaker 1: because I want a chance at going and winning the
Speaker 1: SEC and winning a national championship. You know, a lot
Speaker 1: of kids are saying that when they go to some
Speaker 1: of the top schools Ohio State, Alabama, Georgia, Oklahoma. You're
Speaker 1: hearing them say this. And the problem is is those
Speaker 1: guys aren't looking someplace closer to home because they feel
Speaker 1: like there's just no shot of going to play in
Speaker 1: the playoff. You expand this to twelve teams, I think,
Speaker 1: not exactly like March Madness, but you get a team
Speaker 1: like in Zaga that was once viewed as a Cinderella
Speaker 1: story that's now viewed as a powerhouse, and it might
Speaker 1: take some time to build it to that, but I
Speaker 1: think it will help build that narrative for some of
Speaker 1: those programs and create more parody. So you know, couldn't
Speaker 1: get done in a couple of weeks, I hope. So
Speaker 1: it's not that complicated. We made so many adjustments over
Speaker 1: last year with COVID why not, And you already had
Speaker 1: a twelve team or playoff ozell that you know was
Speaker 1: being worked out for two years by Jack Swarbrick, the
Speaker 1: athletic director Notre Dame, and a few other conference commissioners,
Speaker 1: So it shouldn't be that hard to put it together.
Speaker 1: It just really comes down to the alignment where these
Speaker 1: games are played and how they go about structuring. I
Speaker 1: think the first round of that twelve team playoff. What's
Speaker 1: your reaction to this proposed ten year contract for ninety
Speaker 1: million dollars for Meltucker at Michigan State and you got
Speaker 1: the game against Ohio State this weekend where they're nineteen
Speaker 1: point underdogs. You've beaten Michigan twice, but he's only coached
Speaker 1: what twenty nine games? Twenty eight games, and now you're
Speaker 1: going to put him up on par with Nick Saban
Speaker 1: with what he makes at Alabama. What am I missing here? Well?
Speaker 1: Did you ever see that movie The Perfect Storm with
Speaker 1: George Clooney? I did, but I honestly can't remember how
Speaker 1: it ends. I don't think it ends. Well, no, no,
Speaker 1: that doesn't work out. Well, maybe maybe that's the case
Speaker 1: here too, because I think this week at Ohio State
Speaker 1: may giving Michigan State the business, and by the way,
Speaker 1: probably even Penn State after that, like they could go
Speaker 1: on a two game skid after announcing this. But it
Speaker 1: really was the perfect storm. When you think about the
Speaker 1: track record of Nel Tucker, Remember he up and left
Speaker 1: Colorado after one year, and so he's already shown the
Speaker 1: propensity to do something like that, even though he's only
Speaker 1: been a Michigan State now for two years. So that
Speaker 1: was probably a concern. You have all these big programs now,
Speaker 1: LSU in particular, that I think we both know is
Speaker 1: the one that was probably throwing out some big figures
Speaker 1: or big numbers at him, trying to lure him back
Speaker 1: to the SEC where he once was a defensive coordinator.
Speaker 1: So that plays into the structure of the contract and
Speaker 1: the value. But you then have a program that has
Speaker 1: kind of turned some things around, and so I think
Speaker 1: they're trying to build off this momentum. They're trying to
Speaker 1: build off this intrigue into the program, and he's able
Speaker 1: to strike on it when he's one of the most
Speaker 1: wanted man's probably not only in college football. I wouldn't
Speaker 1: be shocked. I there's not a few NFL teams, given
Speaker 1: his NFL predigree in the past, that didn't look in
Speaker 1: on it. So when you give him a deal like this,
Speaker 1: he's basically saying like, I'm staying put, you know, don't
Speaker 1: You don't have to worry about coming back to me
Speaker 1: next year, the next year, the next year, if there's
Speaker 1: a job opening, I'm staying put here at Michigan State.
Speaker 1: It looks like a lot of money, But I do
Speaker 1: think if you as you project forward, all these coaches
Speaker 1: contracts are only going to go up. With a big
Speaker 1: ten TV rights deal coming up soon, I think schools
Speaker 1: are going to look at other revenue models as well,
Speaker 1: like like professional sports legs with Gamway to figure out
Speaker 1: how to capitalize on some of that too. So it
Speaker 1: always seems like a lot now. I think five years
Speaker 1: down the road, though, you just see a lot more
Speaker 1: coaches who are up in the stratosphere. As far as
Speaker 1: what he's being compensated. Yeah, they're gonna go in and say,
Speaker 1: I want the mil Tucker deal. Hey, what are you
Speaker 1: looking for? Mil Tucker money is what I'm looking at?
Speaker 1: And how is Lane Kiffen possibly up for the job
Speaker 1: or be interested or whatever. It's rumored reported that Lane
Speaker 1: Kiffin is on the shortlist to take over at the
Speaker 1: You what do you I mean, he spent some time
Speaker 1: in South Florida, you know, not not too far away
Speaker 1: up to FAU and so I think he understands how
Speaker 1: to recruit that area, whether it's back from his ties
Speaker 1: at Alabama or even USC when he was probably recruiting
Speaker 1: more nationally, and so I think it makes sense from
Speaker 1: that standpoint. You know, they've got to figure out their
Speaker 1: athletic director first. I would think that'd be your first
Speaker 1: movie before you go hiring you're ating football coach, and
Speaker 1: they are. They already have many ideas there still, so
Speaker 1: h that's you know, it gets a little bit tough
Speaker 1: to talk about when there's already somebody who's in that
Speaker 1: position right now. But give Lane credit for what he's done.
Speaker 1: I don't care if it's Fau who he built up.
Speaker 1: Like my wife and I used to go up to
Speaker 1: the Vocable, which Fau would play in up there, you
Speaker 1: know every December and we go grab a burger at Shakeshack,
Speaker 1: we go watch football games. And the transition from what
Speaker 1: was before to what happened after with Lane kiff and
Speaker 1: was dramatic. It was unlike anything I've ever seen in
Speaker 1: a smaller school. And what he's done it oh Miss
Speaker 1: bringing them back to be competitive relevant. They're talked about
Speaker 1: in the SEC. You know Miami's looking for that. I
Speaker 1: mean Florida State Miami played this past week in dan
Speaker 1: Did anyone's talk about it? Did anyone care outside of
Speaker 1: State of Florida. I mean, that's it's sad because I
Speaker 1: grew up and I was like, this was the matchup
Speaker 1: like of Ohio State Michigan. All these are the great robberies.
Speaker 1: That was one that you circle because you know how
Speaker 1: good to both programs were. They've both taken a dip
Speaker 1: into clide. I think Miami is desperate to get back
Speaker 1: to where they need to be and Lane can bring
Speaker 1: that sort of buzz in this climate in college football
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one, back to the you in my opinion,
Speaker 1: Oh look, I know Lane Kiffin can do it, and
Speaker 1: he makes you relevant. He has fun, he's laughed at himself.
Speaker 1: But I never want to hear a coach complain about
Speaker 1: the transfer portal ever again. You know, you got these
Speaker 1: guys leaving after one year, two years, you know that.
Speaker 1: I just don't just save the words here. Let these
Speaker 1: kids if they want to come and go, because if
Speaker 1: they go to play for a coach, then they should
Speaker 1: have that opportunity to go and play for another coach
Speaker 1: that they want to play for. Now they finally have.
Speaker 1: I think where coaches complain about the transfer portal is
Speaker 1: when other teams are trying to poach players on your
Speaker 1: current team that aren't playing. That's where this thing gets tricky.
Speaker 1: And this is how it works. It's actually pretty simple.
Speaker 1: They basically have a kid on their roster, contact who
Speaker 1: maybe it was a high school teammate or played against
Speaker 1: him in high school. They contact that player social media attacks,
Speaker 1: what have you, and they start the conversation, usually through
Speaker 1: his high school coach, and they're like, hey, he's not playing,
Speaker 1: he's pretty unhappy. Can you hit him up? You know,
Speaker 1: tell us what you think and that's kind of the
Speaker 1: grassroots of what's going on behind the scene. So when
Speaker 1: you hear coaches complain about the transfer portal, it's more
Speaker 1: because in some cases they're making decisions in game that
Speaker 1: have to do with other teams trying to poach the
Speaker 1: guys already on their roster that maybe are sitting behind
Speaker 1: a guy who's going to go to the NFL next year,
Speaker 1: and they don't want to be patient enough the way.
Speaker 1: They don't want to wait on that opportunity. And so
Speaker 1: I think that's where where the frustration comes from, is
Speaker 1: you're having to recruit, having to recruit transfers juco's you know,
Speaker 1: obviously incoming freshmen to your program, but also the guys
Speaker 1: on your own roster because especially at talent schools, everyone's
Speaker 1: trying to poach him. He's Brady Quinn Fox Sports College
Speaker 1: in NFL Studio analyst, the Big noon kickoff on Fox
Speaker 1: in Norman. It's Oklahoma and Iowa State. Give me the
Speaker 1: trap game this weekend, the one you go, oh, is
Speaker 1: there one that stands out for you? You could have
Speaker 1: said that about this game. I think for Oklahoma had
Speaker 1: they won last week. Just with Oklahoma State, you know
Speaker 1: there for the next week in Bedlam. That was one
Speaker 1: that kind of I was thinking of going into it.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, obviously from Michigan, I think
Speaker 1: that's the one you're looking at. They're playing Maryland and
Speaker 1: they've got Ohio State on the other side, and you know,
Speaker 1: Michigan needs to win out, they need a little bit
Speaker 1: of help. But that's the one that you know, they
Speaker 1: can't really look past Maryland. I don't think Maryland's a threat,
Speaker 1: but in reality, you know, they like to throw the
Speaker 1: football around a little bit. Rickiem Jett's one of the
Speaker 1: better wide receivers in college football, and you never know
Speaker 1: if you get caught looking ahead or a sleepy environment
Speaker 1: there in Maryland and maybe you don't play the game
Speaker 1: you need to. I mean, it's not like Michigan's offense
Speaker 1: is the most prolific. They run the football effectively. Kaye
Speaker 1: McNamara has continued to improve throwing the football downfield in
Speaker 1: particular last week and a nice comeback win. But the
Speaker 1: truth of the matter is they're not a high state
Speaker 1: and so they can't afford to get behind any team
Speaker 1: in my opinion, Otherwise, they kind of run that risk
Speaker 1: of potentially falling short. So what about maybe you look
Speaker 1: at Michigan like that, Utah against Oregon. It's not a trap, no,
Speaker 1: because I think it's a trap game in a sense
Speaker 1: of like Oregon can't afford to lose it still make
Speaker 1: the playoff. But you know, really, no matter who wins,
Speaker 1: they're still going to see each other in the Pactrol
Speaker 1: of Championship game. So that's that's the crazy thing about
Speaker 1: this matchup is Oregon can't afford to lose it, Utah
Speaker 1: probably still can. And the irony to it too is
Speaker 1: the way they go about picking the Rose Bowl, which
Speaker 1: is out of you know, out of the rotation for
Speaker 1: the semifinal games. Utah has a better chance of losing
Speaker 1: this week and going to the Rose Bowl than if
Speaker 1: they ha him to beat Oregon. And then they go
Speaker 1: on and play each other in the Pactrol Championship game
Speaker 1: and lose that game because Oregan's not getting the playoffs,
Speaker 1: so they would probably be the team that ends up
Speaker 1: going the Rose Bowl. So it's a weird scenario. But
Speaker 1: I don't even know if that's a trap game. I
Speaker 1: just think it's a tough game to play in Salt
Speaker 1: Lake versus a good Utah team that's really come around
Speaker 1: with Cameron Rising at quarterback for them. Is it fair
Speaker 1: to compare mac Jones's rookie season to Tom Brady's Well, no,
Speaker 1: I mean Tom than players rookie year right, well, his
Speaker 1: first year playing. Uh No, I mean the NFL is
Speaker 1: at such a different point now too. I think when
Speaker 1: you look at the style of offense, and you know,
Speaker 1: I remember, you know, Charlie Weis coaching for two years.
Speaker 1: That was his offensive coordinator when Tom first took over,
Speaker 1: and they had a great defense. They ran the football well,
Speaker 1: they mixed in some screens and then downfield shots. They
Speaker 1: didn't ask him to do a time. Mac Jones is
Speaker 1: being asked to do a good amount within this system,
Speaker 1: the way they spread things out. They're asking to be
Speaker 1: very accurate on time with the football, understanding where he
Speaker 1: needs to go with the football. I mean, Josh McDaniels
Speaker 1: really requires that from you within his system. But also
Speaker 1: I think it's just the lack of them being able
Speaker 1: to really create big time explosive plays at least stretching
Speaker 1: the field vertically. So it's a part of what they have,
Speaker 1: but it's also a part in the product of how
Speaker 1: the games play now it's just more spread out. So
Speaker 1: I think you look at the efficiency, you look at
Speaker 1: everything from mac Jones, and it's incredibly impressive. But it's
Speaker 1: hard not to think that, you know, maybe Tom Brady
Speaker 1: would be able to do the same thing, but look,
Speaker 1: Mac Jones is a more developed player, and I think
Speaker 1: Tom Brady wasn't that point. He was battling with Drew
Speaker 1: Henson to get into that spot. They weren't throwing the
Speaker 1: football around quite as much. I mean, Mac at least
Speaker 1: had a year to start, and obviously the replacement duty
Speaker 1: to two or two years ago, and I think that
Speaker 1: prepared him well for what Josh McDaniels has ask him
Speaker 1: to do right now. And I he's bring this up
Speaker 1: with people when they talk about quarterbacks development. You know,
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott great quarterback, Matt Jones great quarterback. We're not
Speaker 1: quite sure about justin fields or trailing. And I said,
Speaker 1: it has to do with the environment you go to,
Speaker 1: especially early. You want early success for a quarterback. You know,
Speaker 1: Mahomes goes to a team that was twelve and four.
Speaker 1: Andy Reid offensive minded guy, I got Kelsey, I got
Speaker 1: Tyreek Hill. Okay, you're going to succeed Dak goes to
Speaker 1: the best offensive line in football at the time, he's
Speaker 1: got a fifteen hundred yard rushing running back. If he
Speaker 1: goes to Jacksonville, Dak Prescott is not on anybody's radar.
Speaker 1: You know, even Mahomes would be a curiosity, but he
Speaker 1: would still be like, oh yeah, that guy's you know, entertaining.
Speaker 1: It's that success. And you know this as well as anybody.
Speaker 1: You go to a team and it's not a good situation,
Speaker 1: whether it's head coach, offensive coordinator, owner, all of the above,
Speaker 1: and it's hard to succeed with that, but you know
Speaker 1: you faced it. Yes, Situation and circumstances paramount. So I
Speaker 1: think any players success. You know, we talk about it
Speaker 1: with first round quarterbacks because you know that's you know
Speaker 1: that we have the most impact on the game or
Speaker 1: the face of the franchise, and that's really where you
Speaker 1: build all the hype for the draft for. But I
Speaker 1: don't care what player talking about and what system they're in.
Speaker 1: You know, Kendrick Bourne was looked at the wide receiver
Speaker 1: for the New England Patriots as maybe at best the
Speaker 1: third option in San Francisco, a special teams player, you know,
Speaker 1: now he's contributing in a much bigger way within that
Speaker 1: system because of the position that Bill Belichick and Josh
Speaker 1: mc daniels in particular are putting him in. So, you know,
Speaker 1: you put Trevor Lawrence on the New England Patriots, I
Speaker 1: think he's doing the same thing Mac Jones is doing.
Speaker 1: You know, maybe justin fields too. I think with the
Speaker 1: rest of this quarterback class, different story. And that's not
Speaker 1: the takeaway from what mac Jones has done. It's just
Speaker 1: mac Jones entered into the best possible scenario for him
Speaker 1: his skill set and what he's being asked to do.
Speaker 1: And I think there's probably one or two other quarterbacks
Speaker 1: in this draft class that would have been able to
Speaker 1: excel to a degree if they were drafted to New England.
Speaker 1: But that's obviously not the circumstance. I wish Blank would
Speaker 1: have drafted me. Oh man, now we're going down to
Speaker 1: slippery slope because I feel like, you know, any team
Speaker 1: I say it's gonna I'll be spurring the Browns. I
Speaker 1: mean that was my childhood team I rooted for growing up.
Speaker 1: I mean, well, you go back and you look at
Speaker 1: like the good teams, you know, like we played against
Speaker 1: our division, Pittsburgh or Baltimore, and Baltimore is the one
Speaker 1: that I was talking to at the time during the draft,
Speaker 1: and they had that great defense, they had a ray
Speaker 1: running game, and you know, you would have walked into
Speaker 1: that not having to necessarily do a ton and so
Speaker 1: I didn't get drafted. There wasn't me ended up being
Speaker 1: Joe Flacco the next year, and he was able to
Speaker 1: kind of work his way in through that system that
Speaker 1: event should go win a Super Bowl. So Baltimore is
Speaker 1: always the first one that comes to mind because they're
Speaker 1: the one that I was talking to the entire twenty
Speaker 1: second pick of the draft back in two thousand and seven,
Speaker 1: trying to get the know then because they were going
Speaker 1: to take me at twenty three. So that was always
Speaker 1: the one I always kind of saying, Man, I wonder
Speaker 1: how different things would have been had I got drafted
Speaker 1: to Baltimore as opposed to Cleveland. You'd be playing for
Speaker 1: the Jets this weekend against the Miami Dolphins. That's right,
Speaker 1: because life comes full sleep end up at some point
Speaker 1: play for the Jets having to go up against the Dolphins.
Speaker 1: That's heavy defense. I think I think you did okay Okay.
Speaker 1: I think it worked out okay for you. I mean,
Speaker 1: who knows that? Then I wouldn't be here with you,
Speaker 1: and then we couldn't be a part of you know,
Speaker 1: the U. Joe Flacco would be there, Joe Flacco would
Speaker 1: be talking to me. Flacco he would be talking to you.
Speaker 1: Would be a different story. Yeah, have fun and Norman.
Speaker 1: Always great to talk to you. Brady. Thank you, buddy.
Speaker 1: We'll talk to you next week. Thanks for hating. It
Speaker 1: should be fun. That's Brady Quinn. Big noon kickoff on Fox.
Speaker 1: They're going to be in Norman, Oklahoma. I always stayed
Speaker 1: against number thirteen Oklahoma. Take a break. We got our
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Speaker 1: There's babe, But did Shohayo Tani turn in one of
Speaker 1: the five greatest seasons in baseball history modern baseball history?
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Speaker 1: pulled question today, mclubun which NFL team feels most helpless
Speaker 1: this morning? Your choices are the Atlanta Falcons and New
Speaker 1: York Jets. There's Detroit Lions or the Houston Texans. So
Speaker 1: early results the Texans are leading. I don't know if
Speaker 1: there's a wrong answer here. You know, you factor in
Speaker 1: with just the overall feel of a franchise like the
Speaker 1: Jets have had that the Lions Falcons have had some
Speaker 1: highs and some of the lowest lows, and the Texans
Speaker 1: have had highs and some of the lowest lows. I
Speaker 1: think if the Texans had traded Deshaun Watson, gotten that
Speaker 1: away from the franchise, and then you're able to move on,
Speaker 1: then I would take them off the list. But you
Speaker 1: still have the Deshaun Watson situation. The Falcons, we thought
Speaker 1: they were going to take a quarterback. They took Kyle Pitts,
Speaker 1: who might turn out to be a great player, certainly
Speaker 1: looks like that, but not a good offensive line. Matt
Speaker 1: Ryan probably looked around and went, what am I doing? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I say, you can't go wrong with those picks. I'd
Speaker 1: probably still look at the Jets. You bring it a
Speaker 1: defensive minded head coach and they're giving up forty points
Speaker 1: a game, and I know you don't have your starting quarterback,
Speaker 1: but still you're supposed to be a defensive minded head
Speaker 1: coach and they have been embarrassing. Yeah, if you're the Texans,
Speaker 1: if you're a Texans fan, don't you feel some hope
Speaker 1: that we're at the very bottom, which is where you
Speaker 1: want to be to rebuild and you might get three
Speaker 1: first round draft picks or more for your quarterback. And
Speaker 1: have a huge rebuilding process with a lot of draft capital.
Speaker 1: If you had traded Deshaun Watson, it feels like it
Speaker 1: feels like it's imminent in February. I don't know, I'm
Speaker 1: overselling it. I don't know. But if I'm a Falcons fan,
Speaker 1: what are we doing here? Well, our good buddy, Ross
Speaker 1: Tucker tweeted, the Falcons have one of the worst rosters
Speaker 1: in the NFL. How many of their guys would start
Speaker 1: for your team? Not many. Arthur Smith and Mattie Ice
Speaker 1: deserve a lot of credit for getting them to four
Speaker 1: wins and competitive almost every week except for the last
Speaker 1: two weeks. Yes, mclovin, I agree with you. In the Texans,
Speaker 1: the fact that they didn't trade DeShawn makes him feel
Speaker 1: very hopeless because what if he gets in criminal trouble
Speaker 1: and they never get anything for him. Man, I would
Speaker 1: have gotten out from underneath that. Just here's give us
Speaker 1: three picks, maybe a second round pick, a conditional second
Speaker 1: round pick, or whatever it is. Let me just move
Speaker 1: away from this because whenever somebody says Texans, you say
Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson, and it shouldn't be that way. Yeah, Paul,
Speaker 1: going back to the Texans less than two years ago.
Speaker 1: Twenty two months ago, they were up twenty four to
Speaker 1: zero on the Chiefs in a playoff game. Yikes. Bryce
Speaker 1: Harper got the MVP as we thought, and Showhyotani the
Speaker 1: unanimous pick which we thought that he would be the MVP.
Speaker 1: I thought baseball had a good day yesterday because these
Speaker 1: are people you know. You know Bryce Harper, you know Showhyotani.
Speaker 1: You do not know the cy young winners. You don't
Speaker 1: know Corbin Burns and Robbie Ray, don't know who they are.
Speaker 1: Didn't have magical seasons. Otani had one of the top
Speaker 1: five seasons I'm guessing in baseball history, but it's certainly
Speaker 1: the most unique season in sports. He's one of just
Speaker 1: six players all time with forty five home runs and
Speaker 1: twenty five stolen bases in the same season Bonds, Walker, Conseco,
Speaker 1: Chipper Jones, Alfonso Soriano, and then Shoheotani. Also, if you
Speaker 1: follow war and you care about wins above replacement, he's
Speaker 1: in the top twenty five this season both as a
Speaker 1: hitter and a pitcher, and the only other comparison like
Speaker 1: I would put Bonds this season when he hit seventy
Speaker 1: three home runs. He was intentionally walked over two hundred times,
Speaker 1: so one out of every three times he comes to
Speaker 1: the plate he's either hitting a home run or he's
Speaker 1: hit or that he's getting walked. That to me was incredible.
Speaker 1: Crazy season. Now, was he artificially enhanced? Yeah, in my
Speaker 1: opinion he was. O'tani was a pitcher, and I mean
Speaker 1: he was a really good pitcher. He's one of sixteen
Speaker 1: pitchers with at least one hundred and fifty strikeouts fifty
Speaker 1: fewer walks in an era under three twenty, So, I mean,
Speaker 1: those are really impressive pitching numbers. The hitting numbers are great.
Speaker 1: Did O'tani turn in the greatest individual season in baseball history?
Speaker 1: Modern baseball history? Rory and Tampa joins us. Hey, Rory,
Speaker 1: what's on your mind? I hate it? I mean Dan, sorry,
Speaker 1: I was just wondering where does Salvador Perez fit into
Speaker 1: This guy wasn't even selected in the top three, but
Speaker 1: yet he was twenty points higher on Batton average, led
Speaker 1: the league at home than RBIs. Yeah, I know, we
Speaker 1: had a great season, setting the old time record, I think,
Speaker 1: but thanks for the phone call. This is Otani was
Speaker 1: doing something that's crazy. It's magical. I mean he did
Speaker 1: something that resonated globally. Salvador Perez nice story, forty eight
Speaker 1: home runs, big deal, I mean it is, that's a
Speaker 1: big deal. But Otani was magical. Yeah, Nick, I did
Speaker 1: a quick Google search best single season of all time.
Speaker 1: It's from bleacher Report. They had Babe Ruth nineteen twenty one.
Speaker 1: Then they had actually Pedro Martinez in two thousand when
Speaker 1: he didn't win the saw young n MVP didn't. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: he should have won both. Yeah, he was incredible. And
Speaker 1: then third was one Mickey Mantle season in fifty six.
Speaker 1: So I think they they took Bonds out because of PDS.
Speaker 1: I'm imagined I don't see him on this list. Well,
Speaker 1: if I look at what Babe did in accordance to
Speaker 1: what the rest of the league did, then that might
Speaker 1: be the greatest season of all time, because when you're
Speaker 1: hitting more home runs than an entire team back then
Speaker 1: and you're pitching, Yeah, this was preotime. This list just yeah, Oh,
Speaker 1: Tani's in the top five. That's one of the top
Speaker 1: five seasons I think of all time. We'll check in
Speaker 1: on the Lakers coming up, and Darius Rucker will stop
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