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Speaker 1: Hi.

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Speaker 2: I am Kate Hudson and my name is Oliver Hudson.

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Speaker 3: We wanted to do something that highlighted our.

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Speaker 2: Relationship and what it's like to be siblings. We are

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Speaker 2: a sibling.

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Speaker 4: Raivalry.

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Speaker 5: No, no, sibling. You don't do that with your mouth.

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Speaker 2: Revelry.

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Speaker 4: That's good.

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Speaker 5: Okay.

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Speaker 3: So I'm really excited to talk to this next and

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Speaker 3: I don't want to leave them waiting anymore.

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Speaker 2: They're in the waiting room. But you watched I didn't.

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Speaker 5: I watched the documentary.

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Speaker 3: I'm I'm definitely going to cry at some point during

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Speaker 3: this interview because it's like it's like all it's like

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Speaker 3: in my throat.

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Speaker 2: I feel emotional right now.

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Speaker 3: This is the Reeves family. These are the kids, the

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Speaker 3: siblings of Christopher Reeve.

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Speaker 2: And uh, Matthew Alexandra.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Matthew Alexandra and Will will is the son of

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Speaker 3: Dana and Christopher and and Matthew and Alexandra.

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Speaker 5: Let's just bring that.

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Speaker 2: Bring them.

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Speaker 5: I have a documentary out and.

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Speaker 1: It's a cheer jerker, to say the least.

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Speaker 2: It comes out October eleventh and theaters, Movie Theaters.

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Speaker 3: Well, hello, it's so nice to meet you all together.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for coming on, very excited to talk to you.

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Speaker 6: Give me to you too.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, So I watched this morning the documentary.

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Speaker 2: She's gonna cry just I just want to preface watching

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Speaker 2: you guys. I She's just gonna cry.

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Speaker 3: I I could not there the entire documentary, could not

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Speaker 3: stop crying. It's powerful. There's so much love. It's just

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Speaker 3: filled with love, and You're just it's honest, and I

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Speaker 3: was so inspired just to like live life to the fullest.

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Speaker 1: It was just it's just like so beautiful.

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Speaker 2: So all right, that's it.

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Speaker 7: Thanks, thanks for coming.

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Speaker 2: We'll see you guys later.

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Speaker 7: Perfect, easiest interview we have ever done.

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Speaker 2: We'll just take us through the process a little bit,

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Speaker 2: you know, we'll get I want to get into your

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Speaker 2: lives a little you know. But now that we're on

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Speaker 2: sort of doc tops doc topic, how did this all

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Speaker 2: come about? What was I know, the inspiration? But you know,

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Speaker 2: give us sort of the the overall.

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Speaker 7: Matthew, you start because it started with you.

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Speaker 6: Sure, I'll jump in. So a few years ago I

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Speaker 6: have shut haven't nailed down the date, but I want

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Speaker 6: to say it was about three and a half years ago.

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Speaker 6: I was contacted out of the blue by an archives

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Speaker 6: specialist in the UK who asked if we had movies

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Speaker 6: and if we had ever thought about doing a documentary

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Speaker 6: about our dad, And as it so happened, not so

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Speaker 6: long prior to that, we had just kind of packed

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Speaker 6: up a family house and we kind of knew what

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Speaker 6: we had and where the tapes were and what was

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Speaker 6: there and the types of formats they were on, because

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Speaker 6: there was about six or seven different types, yeah, like

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Speaker 6: over the years, and we were really.

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Speaker 2: Made a VHS Mini, DV Super eight.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I just did all we have I have the same.

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Speaker 6: Situation all of it, and they were like terribly labeled,

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Speaker 6: and they would jump around from like I don't know,

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Speaker 6: Thanksgiving nineteen ninety four to like the third period of

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Speaker 6: and it was just kind of a wild, wild mix

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Speaker 6: and but all started there. And then he this artavist,

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Speaker 6: Daniel Kilroy who's credited as a I mean, he was

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Speaker 6: also an ep on on the project, took it to

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Speaker 6: some production companies and it landed at Passion Pictures and

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Speaker 6: they nurtured it and we developed it with them. They

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Speaker 6: developed it really sort of with some a little bit

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Speaker 6: of input from us, and then they introduced us to

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Speaker 6: the directors. They found Ian and Peter, and they've worked

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Speaker 6: with them before. We watched their earlier work McQueen about

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Speaker 6: the fashions on Alexander McQueen and Rising Phoenix, which was

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Speaker 6: a Netflix series, dark series about paralympians, which was incredible.

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Speaker 6: Both projects were incredible, and then we met with them.

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Speaker 6: We had us started off the series of Zoom Calls,

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Speaker 6: and then we finally met in person and pretty quickly

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Speaker 6: became clear that they were the right guys for the job.

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Speaker 6: I mean, they their approach, It was clear that they

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Speaker 6: they wanted to make something honest. They weren't interested in

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Speaker 6: making a glossy, sugar coated puff piece that was just

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Speaker 6: And so we agreed we hadn't it over archive, and

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Speaker 6: we agreed to give interviews, and amongst ourselves, we agreed

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Speaker 6: that we would give ourselves. In these interviews, we would

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Speaker 6: say the things we hadn't said. We would share the

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Speaker 6: stories we'd never told publicly.

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Speaker 2: Was this a conversation that you guys all had, you know,

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Speaker 2: before the process sort of like, look, we're going to

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Speaker 2: do this, you know, we're going We're going full out.

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Speaker 7: Yeah. I mean we talk as siblings all the time,

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Speaker 7: just because we love each other and like, you know,

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Speaker 7: it's going and going on in each other's lives. It's

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Speaker 7: not like we were running around town out in the

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Speaker 7: have our own busy and fulfilling lives and it wasn't

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Speaker 7: even really on our horizon. But then it all sort

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Speaker 7: of fell into place naturally. And when we got together

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Speaker 7: and said this actually seems like the right group of

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Speaker 7: people with the right intent. We believe in their vision

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Speaker 7: and think they would do a good job, we agreed

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Speaker 7: that now is as good a time as any to

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Speaker 7: do it. We didn't intend for the process to play

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Speaker 7: out so that the film comes out exactly aligned with

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Speaker 7: the twenty year anniversary of our dad passing. That's just

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Speaker 7: a nice cosmic coincidence. But once they had us in

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Speaker 7: terms of sitting for interviews and had all of our

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Speaker 7: who knew our story that they could call to flesh

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Speaker 7: it all out. They went off and did it. And

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Speaker 7: we're so grateful to the filmmakers, not only for the

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Speaker 7: final product, which is now out in the world and

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Speaker 7: has been so well received and we're so proud to

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Speaker 7: be associated with, but just for the way that they

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Speaker 7: be as honest a portrayal as could be. But because

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Speaker 7: Ian and Peter, the directors, and then the rest of

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Speaker 7: the filmmaking team from the various production companies are good

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Speaker 7: people and seem to care about us. They would check

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Speaker 7: we still gave our blessing, and we did, but the

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Speaker 2: That's amazing. I mean, the the amount of trust that

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Speaker 2: it's like we don't want to put our thumb on

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Speaker 2: I don't fuck us.

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Speaker 8: I mean we talked about it as a leap of faith.

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Speaker 8: It was a total leap of faith. We saw the

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Speaker 8: film for the first time about a week before they

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Speaker 8: submitted it to sun Dance.

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Speaker 4: Wow.

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Speaker 8: And they deal with some pretty heavy themes in it, right,

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Speaker 8: like this is you know, it matters for the story

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Speaker 8: to be told respectfully and well. It mattered to us

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Speaker 8: that the disability story be told respectfully and well, not

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Speaker 8: in a patronizing way and not in a you know,

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Speaker 8: just mindless inspiration way, but actually truly showing someone's journey.

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Speaker 8: They had previously done a film about the Paralympics, and

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Speaker 8: which we valued. But yeah, also, you know, there's some

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Speaker 8: highs and lows to our dad's personal life in his career,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and they and I feel like, you know, it's

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Speaker 3: like getting to know your dynamic in the documentary was

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Speaker 3: so interesting and like heartbreaking at times.

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Speaker 5: Uh, you know, I almost it's funny. I don't want

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Speaker 3: Did I think people don't know about your family history

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Speaker 3: that you discover in the documentary because it's it's.

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Speaker 5: So well done.

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Speaker 3: And but but Matthew and Alex, you you know that

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Speaker 3: full circle where sort of it ends up is so beautiful.

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Speaker 5: To trust somebody with that story.

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Speaker 8: Saying that, yeah, but it matters right that it's authentic

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Speaker 8: and it makes it a sup It's a very unique story, right,

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Speaker 8: like to ride that rocket ship to fame when you're

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Speaker 8: twenty four years old, you're doing like off Broadway Theater

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Speaker 8: global stardom. Unusual story, but there are elements in there

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Speaker 8: You know, they had their ten years and it was

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Speaker 8: dad had with Dana, which the film captures so well,

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Speaker 8: and that somehow we can all emerge, okay from that.

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Speaker 8: We're siblings, you know, we will says in the film,

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Speaker 8: and this is completely true. Our half siblings, but we

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Speaker 8: you know, Dana and in my life when I was

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Speaker 8: Matthew was seven when she came in. And instantly they

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Speaker 6: Lessons to learn there and just clicked. I mean, it

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Speaker 6: was certainly a leap leap of faith in many ways,

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Speaker 6: but the filmmakers did like they earned our trust. I

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Speaker 6: mean we didn't have made them once over a coffee

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Speaker 6: and say, yeah, sure they were.

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Speaker 2: Right, here's a big box.

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Speaker 7: Yeah it was.

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Speaker 6: You know, we had a lot of fun, a lot

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Speaker 6: of conversations and then finally met in person, and it

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Speaker 6: was really how they you know, they started talking about

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Speaker 6: how they would generally approach it, and and and sort

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Speaker 6: of you could tell from the questions they asked what

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Speaker 6: And I think we all it just felt right pretty

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Speaker 6: early on. But I mean, certainly after you know, several

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Speaker 2: You know, yeah, how how old were you guys when

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Speaker 2: the accident actually happened.

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Speaker 6: I was fifteen, I was, yeah, well Will was. It

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Speaker 6: was about ten days before Will's third birthday and Alexander

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Speaker 8: You know, yees, our family does not live an unexamined

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Speaker 2: Oh I love that. I mean, it's just such a

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Speaker 3: I just sort of was like, Oh, what she You know,

442
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:21,879
Speaker 3: there's a theme, the hero theme in the documentary.

443
00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:23,920
Speaker 1: But she's she's quite the hero.

444
00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:29,840
Speaker 7: I've never met a stronger person, and I think to

445
00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:35,280
Speaker 7: your point about normalcy, it's interesting to me now that

446
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:39,239
Speaker 7: I'm an adult and have more of an understanding of

447
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:45,040
Speaker 7: what emotional and spiritual strength and mental strength actually is.

448
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:53,040
Speaker 7: It struck me that I I didn't realize that she

449
00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:59,920
Speaker 7: was being strong for my for my whole childhood much

450
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,639
Speaker 7: It's like I didn't even totally realize my dad was

451
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:08,040
Speaker 7: being strong or choosing to be strong because it felt

452
00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:12,760
Speaker 7: so innate to them. They didn't send me off to

453
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:17,280
Speaker 7: school saying any number of terrible things could befall us

454
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:20,320
Speaker 7: at any moment, but yet we sold heer on good

455
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:25,680
Speaker 7: luck at math. It wasn't that. It was it was, hey,

456
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:28,280
Speaker 7: did you do your homework? Are your shoes tied? I'll

457
00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:29,920
Speaker 7: pick you up at three thirty. You have a played

458
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:32,960
Speaker 7: eight with so and so, and you know we're having

459
00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:35,480
Speaker 7: chicken again for dinner because you're obsessed with chicken. You

460
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:41,680
Speaker 7: annoying kid like. It was just it was their strength

461
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:44,240
Speaker 7: was so innate to who they were. You can't separate

462
00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:47,440
Speaker 7: a before and after moment of them making a conscious

463
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:52,680
Speaker 7: decision do it to find strength, because they already had it.

464
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:58,520
Speaker 7: So they were already heroically strong and in such a way.

465
00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:01,640
Speaker 7: And I think that that made life, certainly for me,

466
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:06,359
Speaker 7: so normal and easy because like much like our dad

467
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:09,440
Speaker 7: trying to get the dirt on Matthew's potential girlfriend, which

468
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:11,240
Speaker 7: I'm sure he had at least three.

469
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:16,440
Speaker 8: He did, I spilled all the tea exactly, the stories

470
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:16,679
Speaker 8: of the.

471
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:20,920
Speaker 7: Whole thing exactly, but much much like, much like that

472
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:24,479
Speaker 7: moment of levity and normalcy, any dad would be asking

473
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 7: about the fifteen year old's love life, no matter their

474
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:32,720
Speaker 7: physical circumstances. For me, in my daily life, it was,

475
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:36,359
Speaker 7: of course, it was obvious that our dad was paralyzed

476
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:38,320
Speaker 7: in a wheelchair and needed twenty four hour care and

477
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:40,800
Speaker 7: was on a ventilator and all those things like that.

478
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:43,960
Speaker 7: That was just inherent in life, but we didn't dwell

479
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,480
Speaker 7: on that. There was a rule at the dinner table.

480
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 7: We had family dinners basically every night, and the rule

481
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 7: of the dinner table was we could talk about anything philosophy, politics, sports, entertainment,

482
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 7: et cetera, but never any medical issues. There was plenty

483
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,480
Speaker 7: empty weighing down on my dad and on my mom

484
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:06,760
Speaker 7: in terms of my dad's physical condition and the the

485
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:11,879
Speaker 7: burden of insurance costs and everything that that comes with

486
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 7: this uncertain future. But we left that away from family moments,

487
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:24,439
Speaker 7: and that felt that that was incredibly helpful. And I

488
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:26,440
Speaker 7: didn't know anything different, so I didn't know they were

489
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:34,480
Speaker 7: being strong. I've learned subsequently that that that strength of

490
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 7: that nature is uncommon and perhaps unique.

491
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 2: You know, how much do you think will and strength

492
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 2: contributed to the longevity of his life? You know what

493
00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 2: I mean? Like, how much of that was the will

494
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:03,119
Speaker 2: to be a father, the will to continue on, the

495
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 2: will to live because it could be it could it

496
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 2: could be easy. It's almost easier to be like you know,

497
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:11,359
Speaker 2: what fuck this? You know what I mean, I'm not

498
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 2: going to fight because I can't live like this.

499
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:15,920
Speaker 4: Got to watch the documentary.

500
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 2: I know you're going to learn.

501
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:20,440
Speaker 8: But but but it was a choice. I mean, maybe

502
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 8: that's the way to put it. Like, it was a

503
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:24,160
Speaker 8: choice for him to live.

504
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 2: And he he made he made that choice. And aside

505
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 2: from medicine, aside and all of that, the just the

506
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 2: pure will to continue.

507
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 8: And this is what this again is why Dana is amazing.

508
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:40,959
Speaker 8: So one of the things that they show they just

509
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:43,400
Speaker 8: we describe in this film, but our dad spoke about

510
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 8: quite a lot after is that he credits her with

511
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 8: saving his life. But the thing that sometimes gets overlooked

512
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 8: in this story is how she opened that conversation with him.

513
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 8: So it's in the very early days, still in the

514
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 8: intensive care units, still completely touch and go, and she says,

515
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 8: I I'm going to do whatever you want to do

516
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 8: because it is your life and you get to live it.

517
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 8: But you're still you and I love you. And what

518
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:12,960
Speaker 8: I love about that is not only was she reminding

519
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 8: him that she was with him through thick and thin,

520
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 8: that she was his life partner, she was going to

521
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 8: be there, but she was making him opt in. She

522
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 8: was making him choose and saying and she was giving

523
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 8: him the power, and he chose life. And he said,

524
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 8: you know, from that moment he was in he was

525
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 8: going to stay our dad. He was going to stay

526
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 8: the provider of the family. He was going to stay

527
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 8: the partner to her. So it was it was a

528
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 8: discussion between them, and they chose to let that love

529
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 8: continue and that partnership continue. And God, what a gift.

530
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 4: So beautiful, Oh my god, that that.

531
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so well done.

532
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 5: The document is so well done too, because you really do.

533
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 3: I taking sort of the sort of accident and the

534
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 3: projectory of what happened after, it also really delves into

535
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 3: his career and how interesting it was for him to

536
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 3: be this real serious Juilliard actor who loved what he

537
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:13,719
Speaker 3: did as an actor and his desire to be an

538
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 3: artist and take this chance on Superman, something that you know, uh,

539
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 3: was sort of considered like, you know, possibly the kiss

540
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 3: of death.

541
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 5: Don't do that, you.

542
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 3: Know, you're going to destroy your ability to be an actor,

543
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 3: you know, or and taking us through that journey is

544
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 3: also so fascinating. I think a lot of people will

545
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 3: learn so much about not only him as an artist,

546
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:44,720
Speaker 3: but and and his love for his art, but but

547
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:47,959
Speaker 3: the industry and how what an interesting story, you know.

548
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 3: I do want to say one thing, you know you're

549
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 3: you will I and again just bringing it back to

550
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 3: sort of the sibling dynamic.

551
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:01,280
Speaker 5: You lost your mom and dad.

552
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 7: You were fifteen, I was thirteen. I was thirteen when

553
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 7: my mom died. I'm twelve when my dad died.

554
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 3: Okay, so thirteen. So at thirteen years old, you've lost

555
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 3: both of your parents and now I'm I'm curious as

556
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 3: to how the sibling dynamic changed, or if it did

557
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 3: for you guys, if what that connection became after the

558
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 3: death of your mom.

559
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't know. I I didn't since a change

560
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 7: only because Matthew and Allen I were already so incredibly close,

561
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 7: and we had already dealt with so much throughout our lives.

562
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 7: Our dad was again, my dad was paralyzed when I

563
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 7: was about three, so we had already been through that.

564
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 7: We'd been living for nearly a decade with that at all,

565
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 7: everything that comes along with those circumstances, And as Alexandra said,

566
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 7: we don't leave things unsaid. So I knew where I stood,

567
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 7: and I knew how much they loved me and cared

568
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 7: for me and supported me. I think back to all

569
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:11,479
Speaker 7: the times that I went to visit either one of

570
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 7: my siblings at college. Matthew and now both went to

571
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 7: school in the States and relative driving distance both of

572
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 7: them from our home, and so I would like go

573
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 7: up and visit. As a young kid, I remember like

574
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 7: I would spend the occasional Friday night with one of

575
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 7: my siblings at college, and what a sacrifice that is

576
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 7: for them to hang out with your ten year old

577
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 7: brother instead of instead of like going out. But again,

578
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 7: much like my parents' strength didn't feel like strength because

579
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 7: it was so normal and innate, simil like, my siblings

580
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 7: sacrifices for me didn't feel like sacrifices because they prioritized

581
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 7: me and cared for me and verbalized and showed their

582
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 7: love for me at every turn. So that's a long

583
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 7: wind up to say that after my mom died, or

584
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 7: backing up a second, when my mom got sick, Matthew,

585
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 7: who had been living in London and New York City

586
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 7: and back and forth, moved home, but that didn't feel

587
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 7: like a big moment because he was already home so much.

588
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 7: And Alexandra, who was graduating college and then going to

589
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 7: law school in New York was always home. It felt

590
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 7: like they were around a little bit more, but we

591
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 7: were doing all the same stuff that we otherwise would do.

592
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 7: And I think, of course, when things got really bad

593
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:36,480
Speaker 7: with my mom and then she died, my siblings had

594
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 7: to have the unavoidable hard conversations with me about what

595
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 7: was happening and what was going to happen next. And

596
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 7: because my siblings were in their twenties at the time

597
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 7: and my mom and my dad prior to him passing,

598
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 7: way wanted them to have a normal trajectory in life

599
00:33:55,960 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 7: and not have to take care of a preteen. I

600
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 7: moved in with very close family friends of ours who

601
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 7: legally adopted me, And that's like, that's part of our amazing, beautiful,

602
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 7: strange family too. But Matthew and all are part of

603
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 7: that as well. So it's a very long answer to say,

604
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:18,479
Speaker 7: like nothing really changed because things were already so tight

605
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 7: and good. If anything, we just dared more of ourselves

606
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 7: with each other because we had to.

607
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:28,880
Speaker 3: It feels like, what about for you guys, Matthew and Alex,

608
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:32,359
Speaker 3: how did you feel about Will Did you feel a draw?

609
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:34,760
Speaker 3: I mean, you are in your twenties, you are starting

610
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 3: your life. But did you feel that this was just

611
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 3: like became your priority was to be there for well.

612
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:43,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was.

613
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:44,759
Speaker 6: It just a bat track for the record, it was

614
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 6: no sacrifices were made. When Will came to visit, I

615
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 6: always felt back that our sports teams were so rubbish

616
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 6: and we'll I love.

617
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 7: What you gave. Dude, you had to have been skipping

618
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 7: a party or were you not getting invited to parties.

619
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 6: Or remember no, I you know, I think we both

620
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:07,799
Speaker 6: just like I wanted to be there from as much

621
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 6: as we could. I mean we ye, So you know,

622
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 6: it's that exacly per sense as we saw and as

623
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:16,880
Speaker 6: as Dana certainly did by example, and other family members

624
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 6: and friends and everyone sort of lent in and and

625
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:23,879
Speaker 6: helped each other and and and and you know, helped

626
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 6: stand everyone up. At the time of the accident, we

627
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:32,840
Speaker 6: had this kind of uh example to follow that you know,

628
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,320
Speaker 6: we could emulate. I mean, there was no thought given

629
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 6: to it. It was just the natural instinct I think

630
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:44,279
Speaker 6: for both of us. So and you know, also, yeah,

631
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:45,840
Speaker 6: we were doing we got to do all the stuff

632
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 6: we were sort of already doing. Whether that was I

633
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 6: don't know, helping to take all to hockey practice or

634
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,919
Speaker 6: to hockey games, or just I don't know, play video

635
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 6: games or drop them off at a friend's house or

636
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:59,439
Speaker 6: go into the city and see a movie or something

637
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 6: like that. So it was a lot more just doing

638
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:05,359
Speaker 6: what we could to help the continuation of normalcy, which

639
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 6: has always sort of been an underlying as a theme

640
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 6: and strategy to sort of how everything that our parents

641
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,359
Speaker 6: ever tried to do for us, whether when when we

642
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 6: were younger and Alexander Andy's parents were separating, or at

643
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 6: the time of the accident, it was about maintaining normalcy

644
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:25,239
Speaker 6: as much as possible and throughout my dad's time as

645
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:27,719
Speaker 6: in you know, in the wheelchair. One of the other

646
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:30,799
Speaker 6: things they also did was they always spend it help

647
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:34,360
Speaker 6: wanted us and did this really well sort of including

648
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 6: us in helping out with him, whether it was like

649
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:41,919
Speaker 6: if he had a ventilator pop off, like we could

650
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 6: reconnect it, if it was like helping get a machine

651
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 6: or call for the nerd, and like it was kind

652
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 6: of like we're always included in a long and you know,

653
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,319
Speaker 6: it was just making it normal, which was I think

654
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 6: very smart and wonderful and well used to just climb

655
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 6: up on his chair like at like lightning speed and

656
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:01,279
Speaker 6: like the say in his lap from like you know,

657
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:03,840
Speaker 6: super young age, and you can see the nurse be

658
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:05,400
Speaker 6: like watch that.

659
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:09,279
Speaker 7: Yeah, but that was like that was I was like

660
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 7: almost instructed by my mom, my dad, my siblings, like

661
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:17,439
Speaker 7: treat your dad normally end up to me, that meant

662
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 7: or gonna buy them on you like a jungle him.

663
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 2: Yeah. Ah, you're thirteen, you lost both, right, Yeah, you

664
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 2: know when you're looking at that on paper, you are thirteen.

665
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 2: You're starting to go through puberty. It's such a a

666
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 2: big moment in a.

667
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 7: Boys child under the best of circumstances.

668
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right. Yeah, And and you know, obviously you're

669
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:55,400
Speaker 2: extremely well adjusted, and you've got siblings and you've had

670
00:37:55,400 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 2: an amazing support system. But from a psychological standpoint, I mean,

671
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 2: did it mess you up in any way, you know,

672
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 2: just from an you know, an unconscious you know situation

673
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 2: that now has presented itself in relationships or career or

674
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Or did you just communicate

675
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 2: through it and talk through it so well and have

676
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 2: so much support that didn't really fuck you up?

677
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 7: It's thankfully, it's more of the latter, and I certainly

678
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 7: there is a scenario in which someone could endure the

679
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,719
Speaker 7: things that have happened to me in my life and

680
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 7: go off on a dark, bad path. And for me,

681
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 7: that never even felt like an option or a compulsion.

682
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:50,279
Speaker 7: And I attribute that to a few factors, one being

683
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:53,839
Speaker 7: the support system you mentioned, which was Matthew and Alexandra,

684
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:59,280
Speaker 7: my adoptive family, my biological family or scattered around the country,

685
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 7: my teachers, my friends, their parents, coaches, that my whole

686
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 7: community around me kind of zoomed in on me to

687
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:11,279
Speaker 7: make sure that I was okay. And also the way

688
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:16,880
Speaker 7: that I was raised both nature and nurture from my parents.

689
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:20,800
Speaker 7: The values that were instilled in me and I hope

690
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:25,319
Speaker 7: are inherent in me of trying to do the right thing,

691
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:29,400
Speaker 7: of realizing your own humanity and trying to overcome that

692
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 7: when it leads you down the wrong path. And I

693
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 7: am incredibly human with more flaws than we have time

694
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 7: to dissect. I'm happy to do a second podcast on

695
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 7: all and all that. But you know where I have

696
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 7: and where I have gotten into it is in therapy,

697
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:52,400
Speaker 7: and that started once my mom got sick. She insisted

698
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 7: she never made me do anything ever, because both of

699
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 7: my parents believed in me and all of us having

700
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 7: our own agency and following our passions and doing what

701
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:04,239
Speaker 7: filled us up. But when my mom got sick, she said,

702
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 7: you're going to therapy. And I was like, but none

703
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 7: of my friends are going to therapy. Everyone's playing sports

704
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:10,320
Speaker 7: and hanging out and discovering girls and all that stuff.

705
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 7: She's like, well, you can do that too, but you're

706
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:14,239
Speaker 7: also going to go see this guy once a week

707
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:17,799
Speaker 7: because you just have to. And first I started going

708
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:22,399
Speaker 7: with her. It was like family therapy, the two of us.

709
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 7: And then after she passed away, I continued going, so

710
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 7: there's some continuity there with the same person. I went

711
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 7: and saw him all the way through until I left

712
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 7: for college, and he said to me, the last time

713
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:36,280
Speaker 7: I saw him was the day before I went to college.

714
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:38,839
Speaker 7: So I'm eighteen at this point, and he goes, all right, man,

715
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 7: like you seem to be doing reasonably fine. You're no

716
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 7: more messed up than any other high school kid. So like,

717
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:49,360
Speaker 7: you seem pretty good. Go to college and just be

718
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:52,320
Speaker 7: a college student, because that's more beneficial to your development

719
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:55,279
Speaker 7: than anything else. So then I went to college, and

720
00:40:55,360 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 7: I was entirely focused on academics. Now, I was entirely voked,

721
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 7: was done. I was entirely focused on being a college

722
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 7: kid and all that entailed. And then I graduated school

723
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 7: and I got this awesome job in the field that

724
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:12,360
Speaker 7: I wanted to pursue in broadcast TV at ESPN. So

725
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 7: I was living my dream living in New York City,

726
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 7: being a young twenty whatever year old, running around with

727
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 7: my friends doing the dumb things that young twenty whatevers do,

728
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 7: no matter if their parents are around or not. And

729
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:27,479
Speaker 7: it was just sort of a long run on where

730
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 7: I don't think that I was totally addressing every issue

731
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 7: that I that I had had. I don't think that

732
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:40,279
Speaker 7: I was totally I don't think I was introspective enough.

733
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 7: I don't think that I was. I think that I

734
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 7: was checking boxes like, oh, I go to therapy, so

735
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:47,440
Speaker 7: I'm fine and nothing's wrong. And it wasn't like I

736
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 7: was bottling things up. It wasn't like I was ignoring things.

737
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 7: I just felt like I had a handle on it,

738
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 7: and there was never a scenario that, like everything went awry.

739
00:41:56,200 --> 00:42:00,720
Speaker 7: I don't. It's I am a well adjusted person because

740
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 7: I build the guardrails around my life and I've made

741
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 7: a million mistakes and we'll make a million more, but

742
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 7: I'm self aware enough to know what I'm doing ish

743
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:16,799
Speaker 7: and to finish my long ramble here. COVID was a

744
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 7: good COVID was a good moment for me in this

745
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 7: journey to recognize my grief and whatever psychological issues that

746
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 7: that brought on, because it forced everyone to slow down,

747
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:32,759
Speaker 7: and I started meeting with a grief counselor who's specifically

748
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 7: an expert in grief, and in COVID, I had nothing

749
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 7: to do. We would talk like twice a week at

750
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:43,239
Speaker 7: least over zoom and that was the first time that

751
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 7: I had completely stopped and addressed the wounds that I

752
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:51,720
Speaker 7: needed to heal. And that has been hugely helpful because

753
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:55,359
Speaker 7: now I feel like I have a whole new toolbox

754
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:59,360
Speaker 7: that I didn't even know was available to me and

755
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:03,280
Speaker 7: has helped me as I've matured into now a thirty

756
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:07,760
Speaker 7: two year old like just continuing on with my adult

757
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:11,799
Speaker 7: life where I'm completely responsible for everything that I do

758
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:15,319
Speaker 7: and I can't blame it on my dead parents, not

759
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 7: that I ever have, but I have to have agency here.

760
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 7: That's been really helpful. So the TLDR that amazing and

761
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 7: a lot.

762
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 2: Of great people.

763
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:26,280
Speaker 7: I made plenty of mistakes, but I'm doing okay.

764
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:31,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's also amazing that you were thirty. You're thirty,

765
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 2: twenty nine, thirty years old when you, you know, decided to

766
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 2: seek out a grief counselor to deal with unresolved right.

767
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 7: I thought, I thought, I thought I had.

768
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:43,760
Speaker 2: That many years after.

769
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:46,920
Speaker 7: Well that's something I've learned that great grief is permanent,

770
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 7: which we all know. But they say that the what's

771
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:53,759
Speaker 7: it like, the best day to plant a tree was

772
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 7: twenty years ago, the second best day is today. Same

773
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 7: thing like grief is. It's a lifelong journey toward healing.

774
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 7: So I got started and I addressed plenty of my

775
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:10,880
Speaker 7: wounds and will continue to do. So it's you're going

776
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 7: to be a lifelong process.

777
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:18,400
Speaker 5: Do you all have children? I don't have kids.

778
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:23,880
Speaker 3: You know, does I like, do you find that any

779
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 3: thing comes out differently when you had your kids, Like

780
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:30,759
Speaker 3: any anxieties or anything that you sort of didn't realize

781
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:32,719
Speaker 3: you carried until you had kids.

782
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:32,920
Speaker 7: I know.

783
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 3: I mean I always feel like my a whole new life.

784
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 3: Well I was, I was young, but like it's like

785
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 3: every time if someone has a kid, it's like a

786
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 3: whole new life.

787
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 2: You know.

788
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:46,799
Speaker 3: It's like, oh, you discover things about yourself you didn't

789
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 3: even realize because you're it's a constant reflection.

790
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:52,919
Speaker 8: Yeah, And that's like tally, it's like your heart walking

791
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 8: around outside your body. Right, So like you naturally like

792
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 8: want to protect them.

793
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:57,279
Speaker 2: I don't.

794
00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 8: Sometimes people say, like, are you like ex protective of

795
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:02,920
Speaker 8: your kids because of what happened to your dad? And

796
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:05,240
Speaker 8: I don't think so. I mean, we were deeply involved

797
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:07,920
Speaker 8: still with the spinal cord injuring the paralysis community, So

798
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:10,720
Speaker 8: like we have awareness about not diving into the shallow

799
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 8: ends of pools and being careful on trampoline, so we

800
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 8: can give a lecture if anyone wants at the PSA

801
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 8: on that piece of it. But I think the real

802
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 8: way that I've been shaped is again, it's like that

803
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:21,839
Speaker 8: munch of it. You don't leave things unseat. Like we

804
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 8: talk a lot about our feelings with our kids and

805
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 8: just have so much gratitude for like the small moments

806
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 8: in life. And then the thing that I think I've

807
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 8: learned the most from Dana, although others in our lives

808
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 8: excel at this as well, is that woman she just

809
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 8: could just create magic in any circumstance. She could create

810
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 8: a birthday party in the intensive care unit, like when

811
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:45,440
Speaker 8: Well turned three. She could turn waiting in the grocery

812
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 8: store checkout line into a moment where she's telling you

813
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:49,399
Speaker 8: a story and kind of, you know, helping you pass

814
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:51,919
Speaker 8: the time in an exciting way. And like finding those

815
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 8: moments of magic with your kid that you don't have

816
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 8: to be in some fancy location. It's not about what

817
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:59,720
Speaker 8: the latest toy is. It's finding those moments to connect

818
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 8: and create that special bond together. Like that is such

819
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 8: like that is such an amazing parenting hack. And it's

820
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 8: one that I try and coffee as best I can.

821
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 2: And do it early because when they're seventeen, I'm like,

822
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 2: let's create a moment.

823
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 6: Still care.

824
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a sweet spot for that because I still

825
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:23,839
Speaker 2: try to do it. I'm like, his name's Wilder. I'm like, well,

826
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:26,400
Speaker 2: they're come hang out for a second. Let's have a

827
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 2: dad the sun moment. He's like dead, Like, get out

828
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 2: of my room.

829
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 7: That's normal too, man, you need like that. I like

830
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 7: I had that. We're talking all this lofty stuff about

831
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:40,759
Speaker 7: appreciation and leaving things and not leaving things unset and

832
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:45,440
Speaker 7: all that, but like we were allowed to be normal angsty.

833
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:47,840
Speaker 2: Kids, right, Like, yeah, plenty of that.

834
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:51,719
Speaker 7: Like my dad was a neat freak and I now

835
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:54,239
Speaker 7: kind of him, but then I wasn't. And he'd be like,

836
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 7: you have to go clean your room, And I would

837
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:57,759
Speaker 7: go take a polaroid camera and take pictures of my

838
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:00,439
Speaker 7: room upstairs and then bring it down to him because

839
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 7: he couldn't go upstairs and show him. And I hated that.

840
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:07,440
Speaker 7: I hated it was It was absolute bullshit that I

841
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 7: had to do that, and I told him as much.

842
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 7: But just because we were we had this new found,

843
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 7: enlightened appreciation for the fragility of life. Doesn't mean that

844
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 7: it didn't suck to have to clean your room.

845
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:22,759
Speaker 2: Did he have a great sense of humor? It sounds

846
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 2: like he had a really good sense of humor. Yeah, yeah,

847
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:28,799
Speaker 2: would he be self would he be would he be

848
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:31,799
Speaker 2: self deprecating? Given his situation?

849
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:33,800
Speaker 8: Comfortable?

850
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 7: Right?

851
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 8: Not only are you meeting someone with a physical disability

852
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:39,279
Speaker 8: that might make you uncomfortable because you're not sure how

853
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 8: to act, but also like at a certain one, there's

854
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:45,520
Speaker 8: like some stature there. So he knew that people would

855
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:47,759
Speaker 8: be nervous or you know, sometimes blessed them, like people

856
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 8: would reach out and not realizing that he couldn't shake back.

857
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:56,359
Speaker 8: Super mortifying when that happens, right, and so he was

858
00:47:56,560 --> 00:48:00,200
Speaker 8: always ready with a joke just the situation, like make

859
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:00,759
Speaker 8: light of it.

860
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:02,160
Speaker 6: It was a big part of his life.

861
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 2: I have a very strange question that popped into my mind.

862
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 1: I can't wait to hear what this is, Oliver.

863
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:09,320
Speaker 2: What happened to the horse?

864
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 8: What a good question. So Buck went on to live

865
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:17,919
Speaker 8: a very happy life, was sold and another family got

866
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 8: to have him. And you know what's interesting is Dad

867
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 8: never blamed the horse. He never warned people away from

868
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 8: horse riding. I will tell you I actually continue horse

869
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:27,880
Speaker 8: riding was the thing that I did with him, and

870
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:30,800
Speaker 8: I kept doing it all through high school and college.

871
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:32,880
Speaker 8: And he would actually come to my competitions and be

872
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:36,920
Speaker 8: supportive from the sidelines, which is pretty amazing. So for him,

873
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:39,800
Speaker 8: it was never about blame. It's just, you know, sometimes

874
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:41,359
Speaker 8: you roll the dice and you get a bad hand,

875
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:43,320
Speaker 8: you know, get a bad role as a result.

876
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 3: It's very sad, but it's so beautiful and so hopeful,

877
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 3: and it really does it just does highlight how lovely

878
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:56,919
Speaker 3: all of you are and strong, and it's I think

879
00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:59,439
Speaker 3: it's going to be incredibly inspiring to so many people.

880
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, this has been really really cool talking.

881
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:04,120
Speaker 5: It's nice to see as well.

882
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:06,120
Speaker 7: If I could, if I could just fan out for

883
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:09,279
Speaker 7: one second, Kate, I talked about how my brother or

884
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:11,840
Speaker 7: Matthew talked about how like we did a bunch of

885
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 7: stuff together, video games, et cetera. A lot of that

886
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:20,279
Speaker 7: was me watching movies that I probably shouldn't have been

887
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:24,359
Speaker 7: watching at my age. So I am an, I am

888
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:28,879
Speaker 7: a band aid, I am an almost famous, oh my god. Yeah,

889
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:33,960
Speaker 7: younger than I should have been. And of course my

890
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 7: favorite quote from the whole film was I'm on drugs,

891
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:40,600
Speaker 7: which I didn't even know what that meant. But I

892
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:45,240
Speaker 7: dig yeah, I dig music exactly. So that was a pleasure. Oliver.

893
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 7: Love you on Nashville as well, Man like you guys

894
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:48,959
Speaker 7: are you guys are.

895
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 4: A brother, appreciate thank you, you're the best.

896
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:55,560
Speaker 2: Well. I appreciate you guys, appreciate your story. I can't

897
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:56,280
Speaker 2: wait to see.

898
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 5: Them see you in person.

899
00:49:57,600 --> 00:49:58,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know.

900
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 7: Yeah. Likewise, Oh that's the best.

901
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:02,960
Speaker 2: Ollie.

902
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:09,400
Speaker 3: I can't even tell you how wonderful and this documentary is.

903
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:12,040
Speaker 3: And when I say that like Dana.

904
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:15,319
Speaker 1: You know, we know a lot about Christopher Ruves just

905
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:15,880
Speaker 1: because he's.

906
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 3: Superman everything, and we know a lot about Dana back

907
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:21,160
Speaker 3: in the day. You know, she was quite present and

908
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 3: I remember seeing her things being by a side, But

909
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 3: when you really see it in this documentary, oh, it

910
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:33,360
Speaker 3: just it just there's something that makes you just feel

911
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 3: so connected to her journey in it too, because what

912
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:38,200
Speaker 3: she was.

913
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:42,240
Speaker 5: Saying about when she really gave him.

914
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:45,040
Speaker 4: The choice, Oh my god.

915
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 3: And then the fact that she had to she went

916
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:51,279
Speaker 3: all that and then had to like leave her her son.

917
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:54,680
Speaker 3: I just I can't even It's it's crazy.

918
00:50:55,160 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 2: And they the three of them are so articulate and yeah, wonderful, amazing,

919
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:05,160
Speaker 2: you know, I just I can't wait to see it.

920
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:08,960
Speaker 3: It says a lot about about about all of them,

921
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:11,840
Speaker 3: and like how they all came together and how connected

922
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:12,320
Speaker 3: they were.

923
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:15,240
Speaker 5: And even gay their their mother.

924
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 3: Alex, you know that that so connected during the time,

925
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:21,520
Speaker 3: and you know.

926
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 1: Just like really beautiful story.

927
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:31,600
Speaker 2: I'm gonna watch it tonight anyway, I got a pew Okay,